Pleased to see a 'destruction of sorts from abuses' to a practical restoration on available and affordable tooling like the WorkSharp KO. Nice work and informative presentation. I feel it's great that you are supporting the DBK guys and also your production sales with obviously great customer services exhibited in this video!
I was surprised at how weak the tip is on my F1. I don't abuse my knives like the DBG, but the tip is already rounded some with regular use. My Cold Steel Recon 1 tips are all in top shape.
When you are grinding flat surfaces, like the spine, use the opposite side of the machine. There is a flat spot designed for this. I have used the jockey wheels on mine, like you did and it will damage them as they are plastic. This will throw the belt out of alignement. Its also near imposible to make it perfectly flat. Both the blade grinder and the regular attachment has a flat spot that can be used for this.
For reference, VG-10 steel should hold the heat treat up to 450°C according to manufacturer (for bake-on coatings), so no worries there, you'd *see* the temperature long before it became an issue.
Hi Chris, great video! Nice work. We met at the DKE, I'm the guy with the Manix2 in Maxamet steel. Still difficult to sharpen whitout the Wicked Edge 😉 Best Ruud
Thanks man. Looking forward to trying Maxamet. Hope it comes out in a paramilitary 2 soon. I'll need some diamond plates for that beast for sure. Chris
Awesome video and great job of fixing it! Also thank you for being a great sponsor to DBK. They make great videos thanks to your help! You guys don't sell to the U.S. do you?
I think that you are touching various steel materials. Do you think VG 10 steel is suitable for survival knife? Also, what kind of steel do you think is suitable for survival knife steel? What do you think of carbon steel like 1095?
We really like 3V-steel. As do the girls at DBK. Check out their videos on 3V. 1095 is excellent when you know its purpose and understand the advantages and disadvantages that it brings. Easy to sharpen, will not break, but will not hold an edge for a very long time.
3:45 lol I love when people try saying the temper on a blade was ruined from getting too hot. you have to get metal super hot to ruin the heat treating. I would do the same thing as people love to make up shit like that.
why when i use my chosera stones i can cut any paper but not good with shaving, but when i pit a very light secondary after with my edge peo and strop low without hitting apex i get a very hair popping and and all around cutter. i have a chosera 400, shapton 1000, chosera 300 and king 6000 which i dont thing is very good, very soft for a high grit i always thought the finer grit always was harder
Hey Chris you have to be a saint working with those guys over at Dutch Bushcraft Knives . However, in all seriousness I could not think of better people to work with they take the boring out of blade reviews, know their stuff and for promote well, people see this and the masses are following them . I am hoping they end up getting elected as the European Joint Presidents then we might just get a little sense and fun back into our lives. A really informative, impressive and inspirational upload on re-profiling that blade by the way Chris ♠️ 👌 i can't think how on earth that could of happened as DBK take such care of their kit 😂
Woyldn't it have been more efficient to make the tip more like that of a Puma Hunter's Pal etc? I mean considering how the tip broke in the first place? Very good work though and with such a small belt sander
Hello! Great sharpening device! Wouldn’t it ruin the knives temper? Sorry, I’m watching the video without sound, you probably mentioned something about that.😅
Take it to a bench grinder and then to a real 2 or 4 in belt sander. That thing is tiny and takes longer. Since that tiny belt sander at cabelas and thought it look cheap. And it cost almost as much as a professional one. Great work!
I would have profiled the shape first. Then worry about the bevel angle. You extended the original 3mm cutting surface to almost a centimeter...which weakens the knife cutting edge and risks blade chipping.
@@knivesandtools i have the worksharp ken onion myself , purchased from u guys , dont use it much tough but last week i got an A1 from a friend with which he batonned through cow meat and bones it performed great but u can already imagine the edge , i restored it with the sandpaper method not on a mousemat but on a leatherstrop took me couple of hours but is again razorsharp . Yesterday i ordered at knivesandtools the tool grinding add on together with a set xtra belts and maybe its gonna safe me some time in the future when i am asked to sharpen a knife . Anyway in the standard setup off the ken onion worksharp it just doesn' t work for me. . 👍great company with excellent service . Thanks knivesandtools
It's a Work Sharp Ken Onion Edition, in combination with the Blade Grinding Attachment: www.knivesandtools.com/en/pt/-work-sharp-multi-sharpener-ken-onion-edition.htm www.knivesandtools.com/en/pt/-work-sharp-ken-onion-blade-grinding-attachment.htm
When you ground that much to reshape the tip, you went past the VG10 lamination line and into the soft 420J2 outer layers. Better than no tip at all but nowhere near as good as before it broke off. The F1 has excellent edge/blade geometry in it's original form.
i wish they would make the ken onion with a optional platant for some secifications, i thing some work would be faster wasting less belt abrasive , i thing
Say Yeah, I passed on the F-1 to team up with my A-1, I instead got the H-1 and it seems to have a little thicker tip. Do you see many H-1 come in with broken tips, Thanx in advance.,,.p
Well I almost teamed my A-1 with a F-1, which is still popular. But I was so impressed with my 3V Skookum Bush Tool, and it reminds me of the H-1, I got it instead. It's a robust knife. But the geometry of the knife goes beyond just a hunting knife. It really works wood great and appears to be made string, That's why I asked. Thanx You.,,.p
I prefer to grind the spine down into the edge instead of wasting edge material and length. Yeah it changes the look of the blade. But you're not wasting half the knife.
Fallkniven knives are so brittle there is no point in fixing them. By far the best thing you can do after you made the mistake of buying them is to sell them. Preferably before you lose the tip (which is only a matter of time with these knives). Don't make the mistake I've done: First time I lost the tip on my S1 I had it restored, second time I lost it I restored it but again made the mistake and kept it and so one day I lost it again. It's only now that I've learnt the lesson and I'm going to sell it but hey - you don't have to wait for so long.
As thin/thick as the original. Which means it was and still is rather thick. Just as the original. People tend to try to find the cause of the problem in all sorts of other areas but the truth about it is really very simple: The sandwich idea all seems very nice but in reality it does not work. It's all very nice to have an extremely durable core but that does not protrude all the way to the edge. Which is made out of extremely brittle steel. (Have a look at A1 destruction video and you will notice that however long lasting the core may be you lose the edge right at the beginning.) For this simple reason you will lose the tip all the time. Unless one accepts the reality and sell it as quickly as possible. To let some other Fallkniven believer open their eyes as well.
We do like the Ken Onion version much better than the original one indeed. We did all of this on this Work Sharp Ken Onion, with just a few strops to finish it off. Did take a lot of time, but it was well worth it.
I have a really bad obsession with throwing my folding knives I really can't help it and I keep breaking all of my tips like a whole quarter inch worth. Hellllppppppppp I have no tools and about 15 broken tips
Vg10 stinks. I would never buy the F1. If I got one as a gift, id sell it n get something else. I know peo who dont beat up their knives n their F1s have broken. Cool that you fixed it for them, it would prob cost all of us almost as much as the cost of the knife to get it fixed...not worth it to me. But love your work; it came out really nice. Peace.
you forgot the screw that keeps the belt on. also the flat spot behind where you are sharpening is for flattening the spine. and that knife could be sharper. it ripped a little trough the paper. i make my knifes cut baking paper easy of the blade grinding attachment. if you are gonna make a video make it correct and show the proper use of the machine. the belts should not be used with water also since the machine aint waterproof and the system can take damage from it. ive asked work sharp of this myself.
Thanks for the feedback! We appreciate the time you took to comment! The knife did cut through the paper, point taken that it might have been a bit sharper. But the point of the video was the restoration of the point, which I think we were able to get across. We did not use too much water near the machine. The one slomo shot was an exception to get that nice footage ;) We completely agree that the machine isnt fit to use with water.
knivesandtools me too would love to test the dento and takara series too. im in love with the eden kanso so. you can se it in some cut tests and cooking food and such on my channel
Hahahah!! Amazing video! Can't wait to get the knife back. It actually will be one of our very special knives now. Thank you so much!
Try not to mess it up again... ;)
we won't!
I know that if this was Dutch Bushcraft Girls and was still as awesome as with the boys they would have 1,000,000 subs by now
LOL! You're RIGHT!!!
hehehe sorry but "bushcraft girls" that was funny!
that coffee truly is amazing btw
you even made a "Dutch Bushcraft Girls" logo.. awesome video! well done :)
DBK sends in F1 with broken tip, gets back F 0.8 LOL!!! and DBG priceless !!!!!
Thanks!
great video Chris. I had a good laugh. You guys at K&T do a great job!
Pleased to see a 'destruction of sorts from abuses' to a practical restoration on available and affordable tooling like the WorkSharp KO. Nice work and informative presentation. I feel it's great that you are supporting the DBK guys and also your production sales with obviously great customer services exhibited in this video!
Dutch Bushcraft Girls love it you sir have a new sub remember safety never takes a holiday.
Very nice work! Great job Chris!
Thanks man!
F0.8 !! 😂 great Video showing restoring and much more very entertaining - made my day - thx a lot 😄👍
No idea if you guys were the first to come up with it, but this two-way advertising is actually some fun stuff! My Adblock+ is silent in awe :D
This was a lot better than I expected!
Thanks!
I was unexpectedly entertained and informed as well! What else can one ask for?
Don't answer that....
nice touch on the 0'.8 and the logos!!! and great work!!
nice, i love how the story of the knife continues
Knive and Tools,my favorite knive suplyer!
Terrific work! Nice outcome!
Everything about this video is on point
Cheers!
Fallkniven F0,8 xD
MasterMonology o
Limited Edition, SUPER RARE!!
Love the vid. That was great work. That Fallkniven F1(or F0.8:)) is a great knife that deserves such work to bring it back to life:).
We did consider turning it onto a tanto... Just kidding! Thanks!
That would be knife reincarnation lol. But a step down to a lower life-form.
Awesome work!
Thanks man!
You did a Great job ! 👍
Great job! Love the shop too.
Thanks!
I was surprised at how weak the tip is on my F1. I don't abuse my knives like the DBG, but the tip is already rounded some with regular use. My Cold Steel Recon 1 tips are all in top shape.
F0,8 - GENIUS! :D
When you are grinding flat surfaces, like the spine, use the opposite side of the machine. There is a flat spot designed for this. I have used the jockey wheels on mine, like you did and it will damage them as they are plastic. This will throw the belt out of alignement. Its also near imposible to make it perfectly flat. Both the blade grinder and the regular attachment has a flat spot that can be used for this.
Thanks! We found that as well after shooting this video last year. It is such an awesome and versatile sharpener!
For reference, VG-10 steel should hold the heat treat up to 450°C according to manufacturer (for bake-on coatings), so no worries there, you'd *see* the temperature long before it became an issue.
Great job! Nice machine!
Hi Chris, great video! Nice work. We met at the DKE, I'm the guy with the Manix2 in Maxamet steel. Still difficult to sharpen whitout the Wicked Edge 😉 Best Ruud
Thanks man. Looking forward to trying Maxamet. Hope it comes out in a paramilitary 2 soon. I'll need some diamond plates for that beast for sure. Chris
Perfect work!!!
Fällkniven F0.8 - haha nice touch!
Great video, great service. I am a loyal customer of yours. Thank you for your presence🤝👍🙂
Thank you 👍
Nice one! Haha that end tho!!!!
I love the new fallkniven F0.8
Awesome video and great job of fixing it! Also thank you for being a great sponsor to DBK. They make great videos thanks to your help! You guys don't sell to the U.S. do you?
Great work!
I think that you are touching various steel materials. Do you think VG 10 steel is suitable for survival knife? Also, what kind of steel do you think is suitable for survival knife steel? What do you think of carbon steel like 1095?
We really like 3V-steel. As do the girls at DBK. Check out their videos on 3V. 1095 is excellent when you know its purpose and understand the advantages and disadvantages that it brings. Easy to sharpen, will not break, but will not hold an edge for a very long time.
knivesandtools: Your opinion was very helpful. Thanks
Love that “DBG” humor!
I wonder if the tip will be stronger now. Maybe testing is in order?
Joshua Vaughn Might be! We did thin it out though. We will get this knife back to DBK
I think it would have been badass if you you the Knives and Tools K as the replacement for the K in DBK. Nice work though!
Great great video! You think you could do that with a Tormek T8?
Thomas Hofmeester That would probably work. Though fixing the convex geometry might be tricky on the round wheel.
Agreed. Thank you!
If I were to ever have a similar situation with my knife, would j be able to send it to knives and tools for repair/ fixing up? Many thanks
Unfortunately we do not offer a service like that. This was just for the video. But we do sell the Work Sharp in the video so you can try it yourself.
Nice work guy
Where was your chanel all those years? I kinda had to abo b'cuz 1:09 is what I'm grieving
did he say dutch bushcraft girls??nhahahaha
Dutch Bushcraft Girls....isn't that a lesbian punk band???
nice Easter egg at the end there lol, think they got a fan
We love these guys... Wait, are these comments public? :X
3:45 lol I love when people try saying the temper on a blade was ruined from getting too hot. you have to get metal super hot to ruin the heat treating. I would do the same thing as people love to make up shit like that.
Tempering usually happens at 180-220 degrees Celsius, for usually an hour or two, or more. That's why we also feel that is grossly overthought.
"It didnt just butter up some bread, that's for sure" Hahahah
why when i use my chosera stones i can cut any paper but not good with shaving, but when i pit a very light secondary after with my edge peo and strop low without hitting apex i get a very hair popping and and all around cutter. i have a chosera 400, shapton 1000, chosera 300 and king 6000 which i dont thing is very good, very soft for a high grit i always thought the finer grit always was harder
haha, "the coffees amazing"
Why the end of the VG10 steel breaks down
? :((
The VG1 not break.
Hey Chris you have to be a saint working with those guys over at Dutch Bushcraft Knives . However, in all seriousness I could not think of better people to work with they take the boring out of blade reviews, know their stuff and for promote well, people see this and the masses are following them . I am hoping they end up getting elected as the European Joint Presidents then we might just get a little sense and fun back into our lives. A really informative, impressive and inspirational upload on re-profiling that blade by the way Chris ♠️ 👌 i can't think how on earth that could of happened as DBK take such care of their kit 😂
you sound like a 18 y/o chick thats in love with them lol
Woyldn't it have been more efficient to make the tip more like that of a Puma Hunter's Pal etc? I mean considering how the tip broke in the first place? Very good work though and with such a small belt sander
Hello! Great sharpening device! Wouldn’t it ruin the knives temper? Sorry, I’m watching the video without sound, you probably mentioned something about that.😅
We did say something about that :) That's why Chris didn't go beyond what his fingers could handle heat wise, and he did cool in water inbetween.
Take it to a bench grinder and then to a real 2 or 4 in belt sander. That thing is tiny and takes longer. Since that tiny belt sander at cabelas and thought it look cheap. And it cost almost as much as a professional one. Great work!
What sharpener are you using?
Palmer's Guns & Gear This is the Work Sharp Ken Onion Edition with the blade grinding attachment.
I would have profiled the shape first. Then worry about the bevel angle. You extended the original 3mm cutting surface to almost a centimeter...which weakens the knife cutting edge and risks blade chipping.
We actually made sure to change the angle on the Work Sharp accordingly. Knife is stronger than ever before like this!
What angle did u use ? Or did u restore it on sight ? Cheers Chris.
We restored it at (roughly) 15 dps. Pretty much how Fallkniven delivers their knives off the shelf.
@@knivesandtools i have the worksharp ken onion myself , purchased from u guys , dont use it much tough but last week i got an A1 from a friend with which he batonned through cow meat and bones it performed great but u can already imagine the edge , i restored it with the sandpaper method not on a mousemat but on a leatherstrop took me couple of hours but is again razorsharp . Yesterday i ordered at knivesandtools the tool grinding add on together with a set xtra belts and maybe its gonna safe me some time in the future when i am asked to sharpen a knife . Anyway in the standard setup off the ken onion worksharp it just doesn' t work for me. . 👍great company with excellent service .
Thanks knivesandtools
Ha Ha Ha, Martina and Mickayla, the DBK girls. 😁
Kunnen normale klanten ook iets op hun product gegraveerd krijgen?
Jazeker! Zie: www.knivesandtools.nl/nl/pt/-je-mes-graveren.htm
As good as new!
Perhaps better! ;)
Great i love this so much
NICE! A+ !
Really good, interesting video. Please ditch the music next time. It adds nothing.
Neither do silence or belt grinder terror sounds... But thanks for the feedback! :)
behoort dit tot jullie algemene service, niet omdat ik dat nu nodig heb, of is het voor een additionele kost?
Sem Dijkstra Het naslijpen niet, het graveren doen we wel: www.knivesandtools.nl/nl/pt/-je-mes-graveren.htm?suggest=Engrav
oke, bedankt voor de snelle reactie
HEEEY I MET YOU AT DUTCH KNIFE EXHIBITION YOU WERE BEHIND THE KNIVESANDTOOLS STALL
Why can’t you guys ship to Canada? 😢
Oh, and nice video too
"Lame VG-10" lol
Ik ben jullie 3700ste abonnee
Awesome!
well....for survival use I would like to know that the tip wouldn't break on the skull of my prey.
the rezon is friction the lower the corser the sandpaper the more material it removes this is due to μ being higher
Whats the name of the machine he used?
It's a Work Sharp Ken Onion Edition, in combination with the Blade Grinding Attachment: www.knivesandtools.com/en/pt/-work-sharp-multi-sharpener-ken-onion-edition.htm
www.knivesandtools.com/en/pt/-work-sharp-ken-onion-blade-grinding-attachment.htm
what the hell is going on at 3:26 ??? lmao!!
Lil' bit of Doutzen for you ;)
Dbk made it possible for me too find your lovely knife store
When you ground that much to reshape the tip, you went past the VG10 lamination line and into the soft 420J2 outer layers. Better than no tip at all but nowhere near as good as before it broke off. The F1 has excellent edge/blade geometry in it's original form.
It's still a rough fix of course, but by grinding away the 420J2, we expose more of the VG10 core so its still there.
Dutch bushcraft Girls sent me here.
Hey guys can you send straight edge reviews one for review and t@e
is there an american von eropean vertion af knivesandtools
You could go to Knivesandtools.com, we do ship to the US.
pls sir could you fix the tip of my protech godfather knife ?
With a Work Sharp and a Blade Grinding attachment you should be able to do it yourself as well :)
the girls at dutch bushcraft LOL
i wish they would make the ken onion with a optional platant for some secifications, i thing some work would be faster wasting less belt abrasive , i thing
Nice coffee
You sound like me. I'm a South African and your dutch huhh cool
Why you so shaky donny ?
Say Yeah, I passed on the F-1 to team up with my A-1, I instead got the H-1 and it seems to have a little thicker tip. Do you see many H-1 come in with broken tips, Thanx in advance.,,.p
paulie 4x We don't see many Fallknivens with broken tips at all. Too little to draw conclusions from anyway.
Well I almost teamed my A-1 with a F-1, which is still popular. But I was so impressed with my 3V Skookum Bush Tool, and it reminds me of the H-1, I got it instead. It's a robust knife. But the geometry of the knife goes beyond just a hunting knife. It really works wood great and appears to be made string, That's why I asked. Thanx You.,,.p
LCO213 I see you have good taste in knives, Yeah, I also have the NL3 Njord.,,. p
Use ceramic belts, far more material can be removed and less heat is produced
I prefer to grind the spine down into the edge instead of wasting edge material and length. Yeah it changes the look of the blade. But you're not wasting half the knife.
Did anyone else notice the sign at 3:25 ?
;)
haha we never noticed that actually!
wanna know what's not gonna break? MSK1
Whats up with this guys arms,noodles lol
Fallkniven knives are so brittle there is no point in fixing them. By far the best thing you can do after you made the mistake of buying them is to sell them. Preferably before you lose the tip (which is only a matter of time with these knives). Don't make the mistake I've done: First time I lost the tip on my S1 I had it restored, second time I lost it I restored it but again made the mistake and kept it and so one day I lost it again. It's only now that I've learnt the lesson and I'm going to sell it but hey - you don't have to wait for so long.
How thin did you restore the tip to?
As thin/thick as the original. Which means it was and still is rather thick. Just as the original. People tend to try to find the cause of the problem in all sorts of other areas but the truth about it is really very simple: The sandwich idea all seems very nice but in reality it does not work. It's all very nice to have an extremely durable core but that does not protrude all the way to the edge. Which is made out of extremely brittle steel. (Have a look at A1 destruction video and you will notice that however long lasting the core may be you lose the edge right at the beginning.) For this simple reason you will lose the tip all the time. Unless one accepts the reality and sell it as quickly as possible. To let some other Fallkniven believer open their eyes as well.
i saw this guy at DKE tiel
Chris sounds like an Aussie
Buddha Mack Quite close! He mastered the Kiwi lingo actually :)
Ahhh, Fush and Chups!
Sweet as!
can the ken onion really do that kind of work , well it must be much better than the first workshop, which s-cked
We do like the Ken Onion version much better than the original one indeed. We did all of this on this Work Sharp Ken Onion, with just a few strops to finish it off. Did take a lot of time, but it was well worth it.
LOL!
I have a really bad obsession with throwing my folding knives I really can't help it and I keep breaking all of my tips like a whole quarter inch worth. Hellllppppppppp I have no tools and about 15 broken tips
FYI, girls are badass.
We never claimed otherwise ;)
Please don’t wink in my direction.
Vg10 stinks. I would never buy the F1. If I got one as a gift, id sell it n get something else. I know peo who dont beat up their knives n their F1s have broken. Cool that you fixed it for them, it would prob cost all of us almost as much as the cost of the knife to get it fixed...not worth it to me. But love your work; it came out really nice. Peace.
the right picture is hot
the left! I meant the left!
Good Lord the idiocy
You sound slightly Australian
Close! More Kiwi :)
you forgot the screw that keeps the belt on.
also the flat spot behind where you are sharpening is for flattening the spine.
and that knife could be sharper. it ripped a little trough the paper. i make my knifes cut baking paper easy of the blade grinding attachment.
if you are gonna make a video make it correct and show the proper use of the machine.
the belts should not be used with water also since the machine aint waterproof and the system can take damage from it. ive asked work sharp of this myself.
Thanks for the feedback! We appreciate the time you took to comment!
The knife did cut through the paper, point taken that it might have been a bit sharper. But the point of the video was the restoration of the point, which I think we were able to get across.
We did not use too much water near the machine. The one slomo shot was an exception to get that nice footage ;) We completely agree that the machine isnt fit to use with water.
knivesandtools jupp have a nice week guys. i have a couple videoes of your eden kanso gyuto btw 😊
Oooh, we love ourselves some Aogami!
knivesandtools me too would love to test the dento and takara series too. im in love with the eden kanso so. you can se it in some cut tests and cooking food and such on my channel