INTERNAL PARASITES (WORMS) - Symptoms & Treatment
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
- The first video in a series of different fish illnesses and treatment options. If you suspect your fish has an internal disease, this video should help you identify if the issue is worms, and if so, how to treat this. More details below!
If Amazon is sold out of Levamisole, I found the next best medicine to be Paracleanse. Directions are straightforward on the box, and I've treated fish with this medicine a few times.
- Fritz Paracleanse - geni.us/PBSOE
- Levamisole: amzn.to/31AYbgE
Primary symptoms of internal worms:
1) White, stringy fish poop
2) Fish is not eating like normal (or at all)
3) Fish may be hiding more often
Steps for treating worms with Levamisole:
1. 50-75% water change
2. Mix 5 grams per 100 gallons in tank water. Use this ratio for your tank size (1 gram for 20 gallons, etc.). I would err on the lower end of the dose - levamisole is potent! (1 gram is roughly 0.23 teaspoons).
3. After 24 hours, complete a 50% water change
4. After another 48 hours, complete a 50-75% water change
5. After 3 weeks, repeat this cycle 1-2 more times until symptoms dissipate
Make sure to remove carbon from filters and monitor fish closely. If fish are noticeably irritated, consider doing a water change earlier than recommended time-frame.
Hope you found this helpful, and please comment below if you have any questions! - Домашні улюбленці та дикі тварини
Hello! If Amazon is still sold out of Levamisole, and you're looking for medicine options, another great choice is Fritz Paracleanse. I've tested this out a few times since the making of this video and it has worked very well.
Here's the link if you need it!
Fritz Paracleanse - geni.us/PBSOE
Thank you very much!
Thank you very much for that information.
According to Dr Richard Loh, you need only 2 mg/liter, or 2 ppm. 100 gal = 400 liter, means 800 mg = 0.8 gram.
This was very helpful! Did you end up making more videos in the series? I only saw this one in the playlist.
This was a FANTASTIC video!!!! Thanks for sharing!!!
Dawn Michele thanks so much! Appreciate the support!
I hate diseases 😓😓🙈
Gummy Aquatics haha, yeah man, definitely the worst
Great information thanks for sharing looking forward to seeing the next one
Braveheart reefer 525 thanks my man!
@@CichlidBros Hi there. I have a young oscar cichlid he has been having white traily faeces (like the thumbnail pic) for a few weeks now. He is otherwise seemingly ok, very lively, always eats, front and centre of the aquarium etc. I have previously treated for anti internal bacteria (which i believe was the wrong medication now. I have 3 other fish in the aquarium and they are all pooping normally. Do you think my oscar could have worms, and if so wouldn't my other fish be showing the same symptoms?
Thanks for the information ! But I live in asia and treating fish problems isn't easy at all to say the least !
Aquatics Planet thanks! It’s definitely tricky if you don’t live in the U.S... Hope your fish stay healthy so you don’t have to worry about it!
nice video good info thanks for sharing
bipolar aquatics thank you, appreciate it!
Lots of good info! Levamisole is a great med, I like to use a microscope to see what type of parasites my fish have first so you can choose the right meds to eradicate them.
Golden Fish Tank thank you! If you have a microscope, you’re definitely ahead of the game. That’s the ideal situation!
Thanks for sharing info I can not fine most meds in Canada now !
David's Fish Tanks that’s a tricky one that I wasn’t considering! If you’re outside of the U.S., your best option might be seeing a vet and getting a prescription
Great info!!
Ash's Cichlids thank you!!
Great information .
Rounded Rob thanks man!
Great video, I appreciate it!!
Glad it was helpful!
Very informative! Hello!New visitor here, enjoyed watching!🤗
BeCCa _Where2GoNext? Thanks for watching! Really appreciate it!
Much appreciated for sharing the info and video! Plz explain the significance of changing 50% before the 1st application of Levamisole? And does this affect fresh water aquarium plants in any way?
What Do I do my mom is gonna kill me and I just got the fish and I Don’t have those Products
Great info thanks for sharing
Edgar Rivera thanks man!
My plattys are bloated with long white stingy poop. But they non stop eat the moss in my tank. Would this be parasites also?
Super helpful! Thx
Steph Velekei no problem. Thanks for watching!
Excellent- thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for your channel!! You have been a frequent guest in our home since we found your channel several months ago. You have helped us to learn more about our American cichlids then you’ll ever know, so first and foremost “Thank You”. So now to my question, we recently lost one of our 2 Oscar’s to what we now know thanks to your channel, worms. We have removed our living Oscar from his 90 gal tank to the hospital 20 gal tank. We purchased metroplex,Focus and garlic guard and it actually came in a pack along with KanaPlex. My question is can you treat the water along with giving it orally. My concern is he is not eating and I fear he won’t eat this concoction with the garlic either . Would it hurt to do both just in case he does eat it I don’t want to overmedicate him and kill him.
Nice video thumbs up 👍
Great video! How often do you water change during the 3 week waiting period?
My red devil he won’t eat and I’ve noticed he’s twitching sometimes but he swims fine
can you use this with inverts in the tank?
Thank you for this! I'm in the process of using this treatment now. Is it typical to make the fish fairly lethargic?
I did the treatment around 2 weeks ago and all the fish have been good and shown no symptoms since, should I still treat one more time or should I be good with the 1 treatment?
Good to hear they’re doing well! I would maybe hold on the next treatment unless you see signs of the illness lingering
Did 1st dose yesterday. Fish seemed ok except light sensitive and skittish, hiding under fake roots. If kept dark they are ok, not gasping or anything else. Anybody else have this happen?
ABSOLUTELY.... it was a concern for me as well .... I’ve found this dosage is at the higher limits Cichlid brothers say that so you really need to use your discretion many say you can cut this dose in half and get good results... it really depends on severity and fish 🐠 type
So basically you only have to dose the tank with medication 1time!!
after you do the 50% water change the second time you don't need to dose it again?
I'm doing your Prohibit treatment on my 75, 40 and 34 gallon tanks (dosed 4gm, 2gm, 1.5gm respectively) after seeing this video. Let's see if this works in a few days. I"ve got a few prized fish (fire eels and L014 sunshine pleco and red shoulder severums that I do not want to lose). Tried prazipro and metroplex for a few weeks now without good results.
Thank you for all your information love the video!!
I had an established tank water tested out perfect, no ammonia.
In this 10 gallon tank I put six guppies all males.
Within two weeks 3 of them have died. They were kind of going towards the top of the tank but a few of them would go all over the tank . They would stop eating and go very slowly.
These ones died.
I thought it was oxygen so I recently put a bubbler in there..
but it sounds like they may have worms and parasites in their body I don't know where they came from.
I don't know if it's worth treating them.
If I don't use this stuff and the guppies die. What happens if I put six more guppies in there will they now have parasites..
Do I have to treat the water before I put new guppies in the tank?
Do a 100% water change if u can or remove as much as u can but if they are healthy and u give them the right stuff they should be able to live and increase the water temp if u can it’ll help them fight off infections as well
@@marioortiz7264
Yeah it turns out it's just crappy guppies from the regular stores.
I recently got some healthy guppies from a friend.
Someone who had a known established tank with guppies he got from a reputable store not the typical box stores.
He actually gave me 43 guppies went against all the rules.
My tank was established for like 2 weeks
I told him they're probably going to die because I don't have enough beneficial bacteria.
He said no big deal just test it out..
I told him I only needed about 10 guppies or just a few he said no take them they keep breeding..
So I just put all 43 in a 15 gallon tank.
I just put an extra filter on the back put in some plants...
And none of them have died never had one issue..
It had to have been those crappy guppies from the big box stores..
I've had these guppies now for about 3 months no issues whatsoever
@@muzikmon2267 no not necessarily bro big box stores and local fish stores get their fish from the same places but I think it was possibly the conditions they were in.
@@marioortiz7264
No definitely not other people have the same problem as me with those guppies from Petco and PetSmart the police that I got the guppies that lived was from a special store that got them from a different place all together trust me..
The pet store even admitted it they were having problems..
This videos out there even describing never by certain fish especially guppies from Big Box pet stores.
;)
I even spoke with the girl who gets the guppies and showed me how they come in from Florida in their own poo and pee for a 4 days in their own ammonia and garbage and half of them come in diseased already with issues it's disgusting.
The guy I got my guppies from have been breeding them for a couple of years so I know they've been taken care of and they've been very good with no problems.
Trust me already done tons of research after the disaster I had but thanks a lot for your input..
4:20 You're recommending a strong dosage compared to what most others are saying. Everyone else I've seen recommends 2 mg per liter, which is 7.57 mg per gallon. So, the dosage would only be 757 milligrams (0.757 grams) per 100 gallons.
Thanks for the comment! Levamisole is very potent, so I think erring on the lower side is a good idea. We followed a few people’s instructions online with the 5 gram/100 gallon dosage and have seen great success and no deaths in our experience. It’s a really tough infection to kill off completely, so it’s up to ones own discretion, depending on the severity of the infection
@@CichlidBros That's good to know you've had success with this medication. Do you know if Levamisole is safe for snails and shrimp?
Thuddy Waters I did have a nerite snail live through the treatment. I haven’t tried it on shrimp, but I’d guess it would be much harder on them than fish
I have a zebra danio that hasn't been eating and is extremely thin. I'm trying Paracleanse first then will try Expel P if it isn't effective.
Hi, thank you for your videos. My white dolphin cichlids fins got red, they breath fast and don’t eat. Do you know what is my problem?
Thank you so much for this post. I am new to the hobby and got 3 molly's from petco. I did notice stringy white poop from one but thought it was from over feeding or something. It's been 2 months and 1 of the other molly's pineconed on me. I thought she was going to have babies because she swelled up but when her scales lifted I read about Dropsy. So now she is in a hospital tank with Epsom salt and her swelling has gone down. I'm assuming that I need to treat for parasites so I'll move her back to the community tank once I receive the medication you've mentioned here. How much would you recommend for a 20 gallon tank?
What's the name of this medication ?
just 1 of my ebjd had stringy poop and was swimming crazy the rest are normal and eating great I have six 3"ebjd and twenty 2" green terrors and they seem fine
That really strong medicine you are recommending is it plant safe for my planted aquarium kind of hard to catch 2 inch fish and a 200 gallon aquarium
It didn’t kill my plants, although I only had a few anubias. Not sure how it would work in a fully planted tank
Excellent video! I followed your instructions precisely. I have a 75 gallon community tank with semi aggressive fish. I am on day 2; I completed the first 50% water change after 24 hours. Question: is it normal that all the fish swim on the bottom now, they don't want to eat and they stopped harrassing each other? Sadly they don't swarm to the front when I approach. Did this happen in your experience? I did not lower my temp to 75 deg, it is at the usual 82 deg. Any insight?
FYI, here's an update. I completed the second water change after 3 days, and thankfully the entire tank is back to normal! The fish are energetic, eating, quarrelling with each again; oh and the 2 sick fish appear to be healed! It was touch and go for awhile, but sticking to "the plan" really paid off. Thanks again for a GREAT fish saving video!
Awesome! Glad it was helpful and worked out for you!
Mine are doing the same thing just now
I'm doing metroplex currently by feeding. You can use it in the tank also. Is that sufficient? It's the same drug, right ? How do you know you have sucked up worm ? U can't see them?
I have a clownfish which is loosing weight, doesn't eat, and has white stringy poop.
With a microscope i examined the poop and it's completely sterile, i don't see any moving things. I was expecting to see parasites but nothing.
So i'm not sure what to do next.
I've tried the metroplex for 3 weeks and my angelfish were ok. Now I've got one with stringy white poop and she want eat . Can I switch to this. I treated with metroplex yesterday and I ordered the medicine listed on your site. Any ideas if I can treat with it? They were off metroplex for a week and got sick again. So that's why I treated once since their last treatment. I purchased them with the Parasites and treated previously and it cured them for 7 months the 1st time. I think they m are resistant to metroplex now. Thanks for your video! The only thing I can find is everyone says metroplex. Blessings 😊
Thanks for this video I just ordered the product. I was wondering though if this is safe for Koi and if so do you think I can use the same dosage you mentioned. I have a 80 gallon so your dosage would be right under and that is fine. Thanks again I just lost 1 today and have been looking none stop tysm!!!! koi are all 2"-4" and only 5 of them now :( until I build my 1200 this winter.
And for farm animals they are giving it to cattle to eat so will it work for the fish if they are not eating it?
I cannot find levamisole in canada, my poor blackmore doesnt seem to be eating, and sitting in one corner of the tank,
What Siphon did you use? Were you able to refill the tank from water below the tank with it?
Question, I've been using metroplex in the aqurium. I thought the fish was fine. The pair are very hungry, acting normal. my concern is that the female now has the little dark hole in her side. I've moved to a bare bottom tank yesterday. I wondered if it is safe to discontinue metroplex and start levamisole? Should I wait before the treatment with levamisole? I purchased the fish from someone on ebay. Please reply asap.
I watched the video three times and the only thing I still don't understand is due to a complete water change the first time?
Cuz you even say ( 1. Water change ) but you don't specify how much LOL.. I don't know why I can't get an answer..
I see after 24 hours you do 50% but what about the first water change?
For the first water change, I would just do your normal amount. For me it, it was about 30% to start
@@CichlidBros
Thank you
I live in Canada - where would we purchase the product or does it go by a different name
Thanks for the tip I just had 3 of my discus fish die one by one within 3 days
Do you need to remove carbon and purigen when dosing?
👍🏽 so last week i had introduced a juvie green terror into my south american 130 tank. i noticed it had white feces so i took it out and placed it in a qt tank (in the process of catching the gt the poop dislodged and stayed in 130). a week has pasted and the gt or the fish in the 130 has no symptoms of parasite. i see no white fece in the gt qt tank or 130. gt is active and appetite is very good as in all other fish. with this said should i treat both tanks with levamisole as a preventative? it’s a strong med so just making sure. i’ve had good success with treating my flowerhorn so i’m a believer of the med but it is very strong as you state
what abt sunken belly as a symptom…i just brought a yellow tail acei from the online store and it has very noticable sunken belky but it eats well and swims all day along and is very avtive and doesnt seem to look sick at all…but it has been 2 weeks and the sunken belly has not improved and he is as active as ever…what do u think is the problem?🧐
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I live in Canada and we cant at these items. Any advice for my fish white poop and lethargy along with not eating?
When you say do a water change at first. You did not specify how much water?
is your first water change the entire tank or only 50%?
My fish got White poop but not really stringgy because it like a clumb of white poop and the belly look like the haven't eat for a few day but not particularly sunken. Everything else look normal and they behave normally. Do they have internal parasite?
Hey Guys, my son has a 28 gallon tank with just a Flower horn only. My son found your post, we bought the Levamisole and treated 2 days ago today with 1/8 of a teaspoon. Flowerhorn still as no interest in eating and still pooping white stuff. I error-ed on the side of caution with the dosing. If i calculated correctly dosing was 1/4 of teaspoon. But i used 1/8 tsp. Also, he forgot to take out carbon the first 24 hours. He did a water change last night and also took out carbon. Should we do another small dose because it was a smaller amount, or wait? Feel helpless would like to help him, thanks...
Judy Gennarelli that’s a great question. I think since you did the first dose on the smaller end, and did the water change, that you should be okay to add slightly more. I would maybe do a third or half what the actual dose should’ve been, just to be safe. Just keep a close eye on him after that and do a water change if he’s really irritated by the meds
I have a flowerhorn that has not been eating much and has long stingy white poop. I ordered lavamisole but I’m waitin for it to be delivered. Did you ever figure out what was going on?
Thank you, Cichlid Brothers, great video! Did you add Epsom salt when you added Levamisole? Epsom salt is known to act as a laxative, to help pass the worms out. Also, during treatment, did you feed your fish? Would you recommend feeding fish during treatment, and if so, how much? I thought to add easily digestible spirulina flakes for my sick Mbuna, and just a little bit of those.
Glad it was helpful! I have added salt during treatments, and think it is probably a good thing to do. For food, I would either not feed, or only do a small amount like you mentioned. Especially if the fish arent eating and the food may just be added waste
@@CichlidBros What dosage would you recommend? Would 4 tablespoons of Epsom salt per 10 gallons work? Thanks in advance.
Bro, can I do these every 3 months as preventive measure of my tank?
The link is broken. Please give me link. I don’t think my has parasites. His poop is black. He hasn’t been eating and staying at the bottom of tank alone. Chasing other fish away. I think my Ellioti is either pregnant or something. He has a lil white line on the back fin. Best to have all meds then not enough.
Sorry about that, it looks like Amazon sold out! The next best medicine I found is Fritz Paracleanse. This stuff actually seems to irritate the fish less and is equally as effective. Here's a link to it! - bit.ly/3gTdfBd
Is it good if you have 0 ammonia and nitrite and nitrate
Alright man iv looked and look for levamisole powder and cnt find anywhere .....could i be cheeky and ask you to send me like 1 gram please will be loads for me to sort my guppies out ... would mean the world to me
Will this help treat camallanus worms?
Thanks for this. Because this med is so strong, is it harmful to fry? I have some guppy fry that are about a month old but just aren’t growing. Today I saw stringy white poop from one of them and I knew it was parasites, but I’m wondering if this med is too strong for fry......
I would say it’s likely too strong for fry. It’s very potent so I would maybe look for something else
@@CichlidBros thanks for responding so fast. I think I’m going to use metroplex with some focus and garlic guard. I don’t get it. I QT the parents for 6 wks before I put them in the same tank. I saw no white poop from either of them. But the fry aren’t growing and now the white poop screams internal parasites.
What is the name at the top of that levamisole product?
Will api general care work for sunken belly
In my opinion, no
After 50% water changes, do you redose?
How much of the salt should u put for a 150 gallon?
How much would I need for 125 gallons?
It says .05 grams
You didn't say in your video why you chose to treat with Levamisole. Did you see evidence of red worms protruding from the fish's anus? I've done a 3 week course of Metronidazole (in food) for sunken belly with no success. The fish has a great appetite and is more active after treatment. Wondering if prazi should be my next course of treatment? Since I've not seen any visible worms I'm hesitant to try Levamisole just yet. Fritz has come out with Expel which is Levamisole so dosing is easier.
doesnt api general cure have the same ingredient as metroplex? (metronidazole)
I've actually read articles and watched videos saying general cure works great to combat worms, all but round worms.
so if one of my fish has stringy white poop should i treat the entire tank or isolate that one fish?
If they have all the other symptoms mentioned in the video, I’d consider treating for internal parasites and to treat the entire tank
Hello, u said you used alot of different antiwormers before Levamisole. I'm using metroplex but doesn't seem to be curing them. I treated the entire aquarium a couple of times. Is it OK to stop metroplex and Start Levamisole?
Yep that’s what I would recommend
@@CichlidBros thanks so much!
Hi, I believe my angels have been having normal stool. They are eating well. But, I believe that the female has a bacteria infection. She's got one area under ventrals that are red and her side of body has a diffenit hole which appears to be deep. Seacum recommended Paraguard? What do you think? Is it still internal or external? Or bacterial? Thanks!!
Hey I haven't seen white poop but I do see sunken stomachs and them rubbing against rocks should I use this some fish are eating and some are not I did do the mistake and got 5 African cichlids and didn't quarantine may be why some are sick I have a 125 gallon should I treat them there or in a 40 gallon that I have had a spare
I would maybe look into sunken belly and the meds for that disease. This one is pretty targeted at worms specifically
Ok thanks for the reply I will
Hi I have a question about your drain tank method. I'm un able to do the heavy lifting any more for water changes and i was wondering how you are draining water, I assume you are not using buckets? I have been rolling around a few methods in my head.
I use the python water change system, which removes the need for buckets. Highly recommend one!
@@CichlidBros ty ill look into this
Wouldn't it be easier just to drain the entire tank start a whole new cycle and start over?
Definitely not.
Should I remove the filter?
Hey buddy I am from India. Just a quick question; during the treatment period, do u feed the fish or not ?
Hi there. I fed very lightly and skipped a few days as well. Just didn’t want uneaten food building up in the tank
@@CichlidBros Will it not weaken the fish more? Wud that be ok?
Does it have any affect on the biological filter?
Not that I experienced
Will the fish Be ok....
expel p comes in 1 gram packets and 1 packet is per 10 gallons your saying half this
I’m not using Expel P in this video…
@@CichlidBros yes but thats lev meds but maybe other additives. So 10 gallons would be 100mg of powder?
@scottrobert2724 they are completely different potencies, so I would follow instructions in this video for levamisole, and different dosing for Expel P based on that packaging
yes i get it. comes out to about 500mg per 10 gallons going by your 4 grams for 75 gallon tank. Others said 100 grams per 10 gallons. ugh im lost lol
What if its a breader tank😕
Hey I have African cichlids all peacocks and notice there tummies are caving it thought it was lack of food but that wasn’t the issue also I haven’t notice any stringy poop or any signs of worms any suggestions in what meds to use I’m currently using metro but doesn’t seem to be doing the trick
Thanks!
Bronze Seeker hey there. I had a similar experience with my mbuna awhile back, and Metro did the trick. If it doesn’t help after a bit longer, or you see the clear/white poop at all, I’d consider switching over the levamisole
Cichlid Bros hey thanks for the reply!
I’ll definitely give this a shot and see how it works some one was telling me to use Red Sea coral pro at half it’s dosage and it should do The trick I’ll give it and a shot and see but I’ll consider using levamisole
@@bronzeseeker4813 update plz
Is there a way to know for sure if you have these diseases in the water?
This is an awful lot of work for an assumption
That best way to know for sure is to use a microscope on the feces. Most people won’t have that, so the stringy clear poop along with not eating and lethargic attitude are the best surface level signs of this disease
@@CichlidBros What kind of microscope would you recommend? @muzkimon2267 that, and fish not acting as it normally would and hiding is a giveaway. My fish refuses to eat and has these symptoms.
You are right thought, you can use paraguard, try aquarium salt, and do a combination of methods (AQ salt in main tank, dips) (paraguard dips) for treatment depending on severity. Plus, fish not eating and having white stringy poop could be due to numerous reasons. mostly, due to water or poor diet and or stress.
Where did you buy the Levamisole?
Amazon (link in description)
Hope he dies well after the treatment.
Joe Munoz haha I think you meant “does” not dies? But thanks man!
@@CichlidBros Dang ,smart phones not so smart . I did meant (does )
Expel P by Fritz has that in it and it's the only thing that worked stop the flashing in my yo yo
my bass is super active and been eating and has this white stringy poop is he ok or no?
If it continues for a few more days, I might consider treating him. But if he keeps eating aggressively and acting normal, you could hold off and monitor
@@CichlidBros i took the thing out and watched another video to put it in still lwater and see if it moves then it’s a parasite and it was moving so idk what to do now
@@dpellz7914 treat him with medicine
@@granteshbaugh8642 he’s actually been really active, i saw no changes i think he ok. i found out that since the size of the tape worm i’m guessing he had it before i put him in my tank, since no way it could of gotten that big in the 3-4 month span of it in my tank
Bro…What about praziquantel?…I would like to know if u have any idea about whether praziquantel can also be used instead of levamisole
Yeah that may be a good option. I haven’t personally tried it though
Got 5 african cichlids who where all infected with this and ich was able to kill it off
Glad your fish are better!
If you have a betta fish: DO NOT USE MELAFIX OR PIMAFIX. They contain tea tree oil which can and will kill your fish
You're leaving a lot out?
The first water change you're not telling us how much to change? Should we change the water 50% and then add the medication? Or when you say water change do you mean a 100%?
Also you say do this 3 weeks later for a second time.
During those 3 weeks do you do your regular water changes? you can't leave your fish tank without a water change for 3 weeks it could cause high nitrates or nitrates and ammonia and kill your fish..
cuz I assume you'll be feeding them during those 3 weeks!!
The detailed steps are shown towards the end of the video and in the description. If you do a second cycle of medication, I would do weekly water changes as you normally would and feed very lightly
@@CichlidBros yes but you keep saying in the first water change ( water change ) and you don't specify what percentage for the first water change?
@@CichlidBros
Can I ask you another question?
all of my guppies have died I think they had this disease so there's nothing in my fish tank.
Do I need to treat everything in there anyways I do have one snail that's alive..
Should I just do this process with the snail inside I'm nervous that the disease is in the gravel too that caused the worms in their stomachs.
In other words now that I don't have any fish alive is there an easier procedure
It’s not potent ... turn off your lights during treatment . Don’t change more then 10% water before second treatment !
Levamisole is very potent. You only need a few grams for a large tank. Below is the source I used back at the time of the video. I’ve never had issues with this recommended dosage or water change schedule... www.inkmkr.com/Fish/CamallanusTreatment/TreatmentProcedure.html
I have found paraguard works better than prazipro for external shit hands down
Thanks i need help badly means a lot 🫣😅
Yea so We thing he will have to go to the vet... 🥺 We may have to say good bye forever 🥺