My zhongli pull went from "cope skill issue pull" 2 years ago to now "I got 4 teams who all at the same time have to share him somehow" but I have to admit thats mainly because I like to replace important early Cons like nevuillete/hu tao C1s with other characters like zhongli/xianyun respectively.
Can't even check her panties when swimming coz of the bubbles.. I'm adult damn you!! An ADULT!!! So yeah, no reason to pull for her. Stick to the loli's and boyband chars that will effeminate you and at the same time emasculate you. maybe some genderbending will be in order 10 years from now, or your kids will. I know.. My very own propaganda but doesn't mean I have to be wrong. I really do feel like I'm getting emasculated when playing certain chars and most of them are the better ones.
Hoyo released a pyro character for overload, and than have the audacity to intentionally release a brand new electro unit who doesnt work well with pyro off fielders BECAUSE THEY NERFED HER UPTIME FOR NO REASON, AND THEN MAKE HER TRIAL AN OVERLOAD TEAM, the fak are clorinde kit designers thinking?
Clorinde is designed to be very middle ground, but due to Fischl, she's only good with Quicken. There are a lot of better-synergized with Fischl, being Yae and Keqing, so she's like Cyno, but Cyno benefits from buffers with long buffs' duration like Yelan, Xq, Furina,Baizhu and Beidou, while Clorinde is only limited to Fischl only. Her only upside is her self-healing but against aggressive enemy, you would need defensive utility anyway. On another note, Kirara c6 provides not only to Aggravate driver, but also Fischl, so she's not that far behind Nahida.
No. Actually, what are they thinking with some of these new characters?! I'm not asking for every character to be another Neuvillette/Furina, but is too much to ask for every unit to at least be good?
Greed. And they have simple philosophy 1. If character is interesting and cool effects in battle = weak 2. If character has boring effects And boring play style= strong. Why? Because they know their playerbase very well.. you can see people defending hoyoverse for literally everything. "Dehya bad? Hell nahh she's atleast cute and we should be grateful"? The f😂
High Ping definitely affects how much BoL she gains. It also slightly affects how many rounds of shooting she can fit in during battle before it runs out.
@@jorgedr5835 Above 180 ping is when the BoL react later. If u have another conection problem that is not ping it also stacks bad (but this is more ocassional tho). Like i play on 170 ping and i can play her nice, but when i get over that i start stacking BoL like a second after the shot Xd.
@@santi3256 i experienced this same issue on her release day. I was having a bad internet that day. But the day after it returned back to 160-180 and got better.
Most proximity attackers have an interruption resistance of 0.5 while activating their skills. The only exceptions are Keqing, Klee, Ayaka, Alhaitham, and Arlecchino. Arlecchino has a full interruption resistance placed on C1. The placement of Clorinde's interruption resistance backward is no doubt intentional.
Clorinde and Keqing really don't feel similar to play at all. You're swapping pretty often with Keqing and there's no set rotation with her because of her flexibility. If anything Raiden is the most direct gameplay comparison. Very similar damage windows, N3C Vs N3E rotations, and neither is able to swap out during those times. I think Raiden offering utility vaults her above for most people, but Clorinde is flashy and fun to play.
@@aimarmarmar--_-- its a number mainly dependent on your physical distance from the genshin server you are connected to. Since the billion dollar company Hoyoverse cant create servers in certain regions, we are forced to connect to servers with higher pings. High ping usually affects our input delay and in this case, Clorinde's bond of life gain
Yeah, at least with most of the other main electros, they feel good without shields. Raiden with her POISE, Yae with her ranged afk camping strats, etc
Worth noting that that Qiqi,Zhongli,Furina team also benefits from that healing received bonus, as it has two character's that provide that: Qiqi and Furina. And it has a lot of other little synergies as well. Qiqi's burst is big healing for the on-field character, so you need fewer normals for Clor. Zhongli debuffs phys resists as well, on top of electro and hydro ones, while Qiqi will likely be in Clam. It's an interesting team that has a lot of synergy between its characters, while addressing most of Clor's comfort of gameplay issues.
@@cleod7439 Adequate, that's the word you're missing. This team has Furina, who does damage and provides a big DMG boost. Qiqi can be in either Maidens, for more BoL for Clor, or Clam for some phys procs of her, so that's some extra damage. The team also lets you do less normals on Clor, which also helps offset the dendro edge. And Zhongli debuffs phys, electro, and hydro. On top of that, there's the Zhongli comfort factor. For most players, having that comfort factor means they'll play this version much closer to its ceiling than one that has an inferior or no shielder. And so while in theory, the damage gap will be big, in practice, it won't be for these players. At the end of the day, there are two things to consider: 1) Can you clear the Abyss/content fast enough? Not how fast. Just fast enough, because rewards are binary. You either make the time or you don't. 2) Are you having fun? Because it's a game, and if you aren't having fun, well, I hope you're at least a successful content creator so you're getting paid for it. And all that said, I won't be playing this team, because I skipped Clor as I have no interest in a character with all the hassles that go with the BoL characters. Also don't have or want Zhongli, but regardless... ;)
@@Axterix13 i mean, im not saying that the team dosent have synergy, but Clorinde personal dmg is balance around dendro reactions and taking advantage of her fast electro app (same as cyno or keqing). So playing her without dendro is like playing gaming or hu tao without vape, or wanderer without faruzan C6, the team can work obviously, but the dps lose in the main carry is of around 10k, if her team dps are already not the greatest without defensive support, and you're also not using a 3rd dps but zhongli, and also taking away her dendro reactions... At that point wouldn't be better just play something like Clorinde with kirara instead of running a team with a healer, shielder and without good reactions??
I think fontaine just increased standards when it comes to dps. Also releasing clorinde right after the monster that is Arlecchino just makes Clorinde feel kinda underwhelming. Not saying that she is bad, just decent with some issues
@@HatDog21nah that's not the reason, cos the game isn't based on lore, look at raiden's damage... they just want to be able to sell Raiden on banner hence they nerfed her
@@HatDog21 nah, lore ain't it. Kazuha power creeped Venti so hard, and Venti is an archon. If Harbingers are so powerful, then Wanderer surely should have done more damage?
I feel like Neuvi and Arle are kinda like the new exceptions to the "character dmg doesnt have to follow lore" rule(?). Neuvi, after all, is the first playable sovereign dragon we have in the game (the sovereign dragons are one of the most important characters that affected the entire game's lore, like how we see Celestia and the Archons) and then next is Arle who's the highest ranking harbinger we've encountered (and Nahida did say that the higher ranks of the Fatui have power akin to gods). Imo, it'd make sense if hoyo purposefully made them powerful as shit to show the players the kind of power they're now facing with, both from new allies and enemies. That said, Idk if it will become a trend and that Clorinde just got yoimiya'd in a way by having two of the most powerful DPS characters release right before her. Or maybe Neuvi and Arle just happen to powerful and that's it **shrugs**
So basically All i got from this was, Clorinde is good but hard to use compared to other characters therefore if you got skill issues dont play her or just use a shield if available. I think a lot players are not used to clorinde as of yet and have not adapted to her playstyle. Just like arle in a sense.
She has felt fine for me. I've just been using her with fischl, dehya, and chevruse. She covers dehya's weakness of only taking a portion of the damage. I don't have c6 chevruse, but the damage still feels fine with dehya on TOM. Although the furina quickbloom definitely feels the strongest. Im just happy to finally have a team where dehya feels like she's doing something.
This is the first character that I whale to get and her weapon and honestly 350$ to get a character it's ridiculous and I feel bad for it. I lost my 50/50 to Qiqi at 80 then got my guaranteed at 80 pity again then for the weapon I lost twice and now I'm at 62 pity on the last try. This experience has made me never want to spend $$ on wishes ever again.
I honestly feel bad for you. My advice in the future is to save the whaling intill you fully research the Character pre and post release as spreadsheet dmg doesnt always equal IRL gameplay. My only whaling experience was for furina c2 which i planned for since her early beta days and even then I waited intill a week after her release to get her c1-c2 as i wanted tobe sure from others it wouldn't be an issue especially with me being a high ping mobile player. Same reason I had to skip chlorine even thou I don't have any onfielder electro dps as my 200+ ping would make her worse feeling to play than even sethos i think
@@agiant5715 I don't mind pulling for Clorinde I know she isn't S tier but I like her enough. My issue is how ridiculously expensive this game can be. I shouldn't have to spend over 50$ to get a character and 100$ to get both the character and weapon.
I think this ultimately speaks to a need for Hoyo to diversify things like cooldowns and buff durations. If they're going to make a DPS with an awkward downtime, then they just need more characters that work with it. They've been pretty same-y with timings, so it hurts the few characters that don't fit the mold.
You do realize she has 100% uptime with thundering fury right. With the thundering fury clorindes speed can allow her to trigger the 4 pc at effect enough times that that makes her skill reach 100 uptime.
I feel like they've been trying for a while, but every time people in beta don't like it. Like, Yoimiya and beta v1 Ayato feel like they're designed to be played together in a dual carry team. In the beta, Ayato needed to have someone else do NAs on field to... reduce his E cooldown IIRC. And Yoimiya's burst seems designed to have someone else attacking while it's active.
As they say in cooking, not every waffle is oerfect. Some ate mid but still delicious. It applies to chars. Sometimes u hit the mold, sometimes misses a bit
I think the one major QoL feature i think Clorinde is missing is a visual indicator for when she is at max BoL. Something similar to Wriothesly's red glow effect when he gets his enhanced CA would be much appreciated on Clorinde, because having to look at her health bar to see my BoL stack up feels awkward
Just do the N3E1 x 6 combo without looking at the hp bar and worry about your BoL. Occasionally you might not do a lunge at full BoL or do an extra pistol shot if you get interrupted or have to dodge, but otherwise turn the combo into muscle memory and her dmg should be very good and consistent. It works for me.
Seriously...seriously...I have to ask...do you have clorinde and tried her trial. Her skill literally starts flashing when the bond is max so you know to press it. Once you hit the 105 mark it starts to pulse for you to use.
@@rushalias8511 sEriOUSly SerIOUsly, please stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Her skill is more out of the way (bottom right) than her hp bar so that just makes it worse. Plus you are not considering the fact that high ping players have to wait even after completing N3 so we have to look at the hp bar just to make sure that we have enough BoL.
As far as I see the main issue of Clorinde is her rotations are too quick for classic hypercarry and too long for quickswap Damage vise she seems okay, strong but not earth shattering
Every road one takes to understand why her duration was nerfed leads to an uglier answer than the last. I don't think im exaggerating when i say this was the most needless nerf in the game's history , at least with dehya we could excuse it for her being standard, clorinde is limited , therefore every answer one can come up with casts an ugly shadow on mihoyo as a company and the game's future as a whole. If you like a character, You're at the mercy of mihoyo's favouritism
The game future right now is to make all 4 stars trash until you get them to C6 and make all 5 stars incomplete and underwhelming unless you get C1 (aka Hutao treatment).
@@shonenhikada9254Yeah man. It sucks so much that they made Neuvillite and Furina so underwhelming. Really needed their c1-c6 implemented into their base kit so they could atleast be on par with Deyha. So sad….
Having fun with Overload Clorinde. Dehya unironically makes the team feel viable. Gonna try more Quickbloom too. Even if Quicken is her best, other teams still feel fine as long as you're not getting staggered constantly.
the real concept behind the qiqi team is skyward blade increases your attack speed and healing generates bond of life. this means you can output way more damage in the 7s window. superconduct is just a bonus since there isnt actually any other healer that could heal as much as qiqi with the constraints for the team. the physical damage even with all the shred is only ~12% of the damage per hit.
4:00 Yeah... no Chevy on this banner is peak Hoyo trolling. I had to stack 50 pity on Baizhu to get around it, and the C6 Faruzan I got from that has been a more enjoyable DPS than Clorinde. Mainly because her dash attack keeps going in the complete wrong direction. We'll have to see if future enemies and/or characters make her more useful.
Just wanna say - having a Genshin CC that doesn’t seem to be involved in drama is so pleasant - I don’t have time for drama, just want to support a CC that makes good content. Keep it up, you’re the best out there.
Protip: when you hover over video in recommended feed, click on the three dots in the top right corner, and select "Don't recommend channel" for the drama farmers. You'll have a much more pleasant browsing experience when none of their nonsense reaches your view. (You might have to occasionally re-apply, as UA-cam loves to turn around and ignore your preferences like ARE YOU SURE?!?!?!)
I consider myself a severely skill issue player. I find her Furina/Zhongli/Qiqi team very very very satisfying to play with. All my characters are C0 (well except Qiqi that is at C4) my Clorinde is using Skyward Blade (yes. lol). I have been consistently clearing side 1 of floor 12 in under a minute with this team. If you are having problems with her and have this setup, try it. It's pretty decent for how comfortable it is. Shout-out to Jamie and Jello for making guides about this comp.
Clorinde needs for the player to think on where to dash, as it is so fast that most enemies miss their attacks on her, so you can use Baizhu for the interruption and damage mitigation
Your analogy for Clorinde is spot on. She sucked me dry, and I didn't feel good about it afterward. I had to spend five full pity for C0R1 😢. I have Haran and an extra Mistsplitter, but my crazy ass though she didn't look good with a katana.
i was gonna pull clorinde but then i played her on my brothers account and really didnt like it, also later learnt that her bond of life is effected by high ping and as an australian my ping is like 150 on average but will sometimes get close to 300, also we got emilie kit leaks and i wanna make funny burning teams and pair her with my c2 nahida and natlan is coming with the pyro archon and given how emilie wants pyro i think shes one of the most blatant examples of a character being designed with future units in mind, so yeah im just gonna pull emilie instead, besides i already have too many on field dps's and she would probably get benched quickly for me anyway.
I pulled her without looking at any online discourse and never noticed anything wrong. At this point, pairing an electro on fielder with fischl and dendro seems natural and she feels very strong to me. I use fischl sucrose and yao yao.
While I skip Clorinde, I really appreciate her for having gimmick that can used with Qiqi and Skyward Blade. IIRC, Qiqi is there not just for applying Cryo or healing but also add healing bonus to Clorinde on top of Furina, which make her feel BoL easier to the point that you might be able to do N2E.
My Clorinde team consists of Clorinde Sara Furina Baizhu. It may indeed be quickbloom but I assure you the reaction contribute little in the team. Baizhu have burst team heal (E) to accommodate Furina's stack building and refreshing shield to accommodate Clorinde non-existence interrupt resistance. Clorinde kit favor ATK over EM as opposed to other Electro character (still not as much as Raiden), Also Baizhu passive already increase Clorinde aggravate and hyperbloom DMG in place of EM stat (rougly equivalent to 105 EM if Clorinde have 0 EM and will yield more if she have more EM). Furina DMG bonus increase both Clorinde and Sara DMG, both raw DMG and aggravate DMG. rotation: Furina[E] -> Baizhu[QE] -> Furina[Q] -> Sara[EC] -> Clorinde[Q]** -> Sara[Q] -> Clorinde [E->6N3E (or N2E if Baizhu heal)] ** I do it this way to maximize Mist Splitter Reforged passive I know not all of you have C6 Sara or C2 Furina but you can't exactly call me whale for going for "Top META" constellations (at the time). You can save as low spender or even F2P and go for a bit of vertical investment on strong character to carry you. P.S. - Play however your like. You play the game for your own enjoyment (hopefully), have fun and good luck with your pull.
Almost every TC for Genshin: Clorinde is the best electro DPS in the game and pretty strong. Almost every TC viewer on UA-cam: Clorinde is mid/sucks. It's almost as if the people only come to hate and don't watch the video. She may not be Neuvilette, but 72.5k with only the BP weapon is damn good DPS. She's obviously harder to play, but what does it matter? If you like her better than Neuvi or Arlecchino you'll learn to play her, it's not really THAT hard.
Almost as if genshin has an extremely sensitive fanbase that would dog on the TC if they call any character anything other than good or above average. Your comment reads like copium , at this point people have accepted she is mid , stop sugar coating it
It is also interesting that they like to bring up Arl as well, who, while being higher reward, is also higher risk than Clor. And has a lot of BoL related teaming considerations as well. That said, I do think the quality of life aspects of a kit should be mentioned, because that, more than a bit more damage, is what will likely impact how long it'll be before they shelf the character. Like Cyno, Ganyu, and Lyney... all are perfectly fine DPS, but how they play and teaming restrictions means many people either skipped them or, if they did get them, have stopped using them. And it is my expectation that this will happen with Arl as well.
@@Axterix13 arle is nowhere near as risky as clorinde to play, she's also significantly more powerful and flexible. Not even a fair comparison. You seem to forget she has a passive that gives her resistance, while being able to dodge since she has infinite up time on her infusion while clorinde has a pathetic 7 second up time that'll be cut even shorter if you dodge or get hit. Thats ignoring the heal on burst
@@goddamnarshia thx you for mentioning how dodging more with her actually eats up from the already short skill time window. People say our criticism of her is "skill issue" but when even 200+ ping is already significant enough to lose on a 1/3 of her rot dmg, probably even with perfect dodging there would be a significant lost too (there is the tech of using her skill to attack/dodge at the same time but thats probably not doable 100% of the time especially in mutliwave content
To be fair reguarding the meta it’s gonna take alot of steps if they keep creating characters similar to neuvilette or arlecchino. To be fair it might be better not to give to much charcters like these so the game doesn’t dry out so having clordine not being overpowered makes sense in my eyes. One of genshins many mechanics is to use team building however it be really hard to do that if ya technically had a 1 man army.
We were so close to greatness. Clorinde, Sara, Yun Jin, Chevreuse. And now imagine Yun Jin being either pyro or electro. That team would be there giving Clorinde the highest personal damage at 65k/s and would be pretty much on par with the dreaded aggravate. :*(
7:13 just remember... dehya could've been a meta sustain unit if they just had her skill have no secondary cooldown to the super armor. they sabotaged her so much.
I love characters like this that reward good gameplay. Her synergy with furina makes her different enough from other electro dps on my acc since furina c2 only needs only a bit of healing to get max stacks. I can then replace Baizhu with fischl and everything gets one rotated basically 😂 Oh and her synergy with yun jin in single target is really cool!
Same for me, I like mindless characters like Neuvi but having a few like Chlorinde that require tighter rotations makes playing the game actually challenging and fun.
I honestly think Clorinde is the character that made me love Genshin again, because she made me completely rethink how I team-build. It may be "Cope", but I've been having a lot more fun exploring VV-less teams and using lesser-used units. Plus she works with Venti, and Baizhu on his own is enough IR to make her feel very smooth
Another fantastic video from TGS, covering the strengths and weaknesses of Clorinde, as well as her more niche teams like Skyward Blade Qiqi Superconduct. Personally I find her best team to be Fischl Nahida Kazuha, same as Keqing’s best team which carried me through some *tough* previous abysses. Seeing her as a stronger dps option than many other electro dps options (aside from dolphin investment Raiden) makes her have decent pull value. Of course, for f2ps without Furina I highly recommend pulling powerful supports over main dpses which Hoyo seems bent on churning out during Fontaine.
Is that Chlorinde vs Yae vs Keqing comparison at 4:55 for their personal damage or team damage? I'm guessing it's their personal damage, which is maybe half or less of the team damage?
She's been by far the most polarizing character in Genshin by now, either people over praises her saying she's the best or they doomed her bc of the weird adjustments to her kit. To me it's a really complicated case of "she's good and does really good DMG, but she feels so weird in practice." Not the champion duelist combat style they promised from the beginning nor a disappointing kit overall.
People saying she's best are often paid actors for Hoyo. They are meant to spread lies and hype characters up so the playerbase will pull for the character.
As someone who plays and loves Clorinde's playstyle, here's my take: If you like her and want her, don't worry about her performace or how others think. Get her, you will enjoy her. If you don't want her, either because of some pre-conceived notion that she's clunky and the worst electro character so far, or you just don't really find her appealing, then simply don't get her. This has been said on numerous occasions; Genshin Impact is an easy game. Pull for the characters you want, enjoy the game however you please, the game is your oyster.
I will never forgive Hoyoverse for reducing her duration from 9.5 seconds to 7.5 :) I almost quit genshin from how pissed off I was with this sudden stupid change
@@VajaraDoorson her cooldown wasn't reduced, her night vigil state was reduced. The mode when she uses her E-skill and changes her auto attacks from swords to pure electro gunning. This is the "night vigil" state that was reduced from 9.5 seconds to 7.5 Surely I dont have to tell you why her night vigil duration being reduced is a bad thing, right? But if i do have to; basically this means her on-field time is ALOT shorter, and because its so short- the cycle of using your other teammates doesnt match properly and its clunky. When she finishes her time on-field, everyone else still has their cooldowns, making her clunky.
keep in mind this is most likely only a personal dmg comparison, not whole team dmg comparison, Keqing and Miko's aggravate teams sheet very close to Clorinde's - at least in all prior calcs i've seen up to this point, they're incredibly close. In fact depending on the set Clorinde's using and other parameters (weapon, how many enemies etc) they can even sheet higher (Clorinde's cons are very strong though, so this is obviously assuming a C0 Clorinde and C0 Yae Miko. For Keqing the calcs I've seen tend to assume anywhere from C4 to C6, probably because she's a very old standard character)
@@toura8265 that's so sad to hear omg As someone who started in 3.2 and got Keqing in 3.8 it already felt like a long wait, so i can't imagine having to wait basically three whole years, i'd be so pissed
Didn't want her but got her in my first wish. I guess I was lucky. Later I was baited to pull for her weapon because I wanted a 5* sword for my account and I had both Alhaitam and Clorinde so whatever sword I got I was going to use it.
The gameplay issues are my main problem with her.. Clorinde is so ping dependent that if you have even 100 above Ping , she doesn't feel great to play because fee of her combos doesn't register (a casual player won't notice).. Not to mention her targeting system is actually janky.
Damn so she's also scuffed with ping issues like ayato on echo set? My average is 220ms so good thing i delayed on pulling for her intill i saw what other players find her actual gameplay was post launch compared to spreadsheet dmg in leaks. Thanks again for confirming me its better to save my primos
@@agiant5715I play on 160-180 ping on mobile, and tbh it doesn't feel as bad as on 350 ping. Thankfully we installed wifi in our home earlier this year. 😅
@megalith7796 goodthing u upgraded your wifi because while I personally dont have her to speak from experience, some online discord freinds have shared me screen recordings of how at like 250+ ping, quite few of the skill mode hits dont actually give BOL and some don't even register the actual electro dmg hits themselves. Basically its not that it feels "laggy" but that its the same as for example playing with echo artfiact set ayato on high ping and getting only half of the expected dmg numbers because for some reason, some of the buffs are getting skip for werid internet syncing reasons.
Clorinde + Chevreuse (C6?) + Raiden + Xiangling (C4) I tried this just for kicks and it somehow did better than my traditional Raiden/Chevreuse hypercarry team on floor 12. It's probably even more braindead than Rational. Just pop a Chevy bullet to buff Pyronado plus anyone of the on-fielders and keep clicking on that until you get another Chevy bullet for the burst of your other on-fielder then you keep clicking on that until Pyronado is off cooldown again. Rinse and repeat. The timings are so lenient that I don't even have to concern myself with optimizing neither Clorinde's nor Raiden's rotations. So long as I get a burst off, I only need to keep clicking until someone else is off cooldown.
She's very interesting character when you look on her numbers you'll wtf is that but if you look on the boss hp it's literally being erased people didn't like her because they like big numbers but imo she's a broken character i use sara c6 cheveruse c6 and xiangling she does 60k per hit finale of the deep r5 gladiator set she's very strong character , i really wish you try this team it's cracked 🎉
Ngl.. Clorinde Taser feels good.. And with Ororon coming it can be better.. Not to mention theres xilonen.. She can do hypercatry with kujou xilonen kazuha..
The point she can’t replace Raiden shogun! There’s a prophecy going on which will probably happen that no other electro character from all teyvat including future characters can’t replace Raiden shogun🙂↔️
9:51 I was wondering why you were pointing at Clorinde's feet (which you also did in the Arlechinno and Al Haitham video) but then I realized it was supposed to be a outro card that links to one of your other videos but for some reason it's not there for me so I saw feet
She was super fun In trial, until I found her E finished so fast and you can’t swap and back for Infusion killed all my Interest to pull . 😅 tbh Arle rise the level of enjoyment with almost Infinite Infusion
Well, to me I got clorinde with 10 wishes only and working her to reach L90. I currently use finale of the deep and R5 harbinger of dawn. Teams, I still prefer lynnet + Mona + zhongli, or xinagling + lynette + zhongli or Mona + collie / dendro traveler + zhongli. Having anemo character actually help her to shred enemy electro resistance and venti or sucrose not preferred her as they send enemy up in the air and hard to hit them with clorinde sword dash attack, so lynette shine her
I kinda regret investing so much to get her and her signature. Clorine has a horrible skill uptime and a very long downtime. 7.5s skill uptime and 8.5s downtime to be exact. You're basically not in her skill mode half of the time. The long downtime makes her trash for coop play. Her 3NA+E window is very precise, if you're dodging or getting attacks, that's a whole rotation ruined. Idk what they were thinking when nerfing her skill uptime.
You should try the thundering fury set it's really good for this issue. if you get enough reactions lowest time her E cooldown is 1.2s, most i've had to wait in co-op was about 5s
@@willhau9161sad how we gacha players tend to pull first and think later. I myself did that pulling furina like 2 mins after server update and thx god she was actually good (i did research alot during her prerelease but as we all know, spreadsheet numbers dont always mean IRL gameplay ones). Was gonna pull chorline as well because i didnt have an onfielder electro dps outside of c0 shougn but thx god i waited for the post release feedback as the ping dependents was a red flag for my 3rd world internet using ass
i saw one team of hers that ive heard does about as well as her dendro teams, and its the one where she uses skyward sword and has qiqi as a teammate, using the overhealing of qiqi to overcap on BoL, im still not sure the specifics of why the team works or why clorinde needs to use skyward sword for the team to work but id be interested in hearing your commentary on it
In that video, it had Qiqi on Maiden's set which I assume is to help build Clorinde's bond of life higher, but I'm thinking that Clam set on Qiqi is probably better since Superconduct helps improve the bubble pop damage from Clam, though I'm not sure where that investment breakpoint would be so that Clam set is enough to generate enough Bond of Life vs Maiden's.
@@mickysaif It takes 5 hits to get one proc from Flute, not to mention it's a 4* so it just has fewer stats. The team is already not incredible, just fun, so I wouldn't recommend Flute
Iirc, Jamie argues about Clam vs Maiden's, but opts for Maiden's because the whole point of using Qiqi instead of any other Cryo character is that no one can buff Clorinde's BoL as much as her and ideally you'd want it to be at 200% as often as possible.
I'm already at 73 pity pulling for clorinde. But after watching your video about clorinde's meta analysis, I need to think if I should continue pulling for her or going for c2 navia
i'd argue that if "her self heal is enough to stay alive" if you play right, then you should just play keqing right and she doesn't need a defensive option either
If you play right against triple kenki with Keqing, you will still take dmg from the cryo floor, and that dmg is permanent, meanwhile with Clorinde you just heal back
You can hold attack (similar to Ayato) to autofire the 3 gunshots, if that feels any better for you. So it becomes more of a consistent two part rolling action rather than frantic mashing.
@@phoenixlau oh i didnt know that!! what bothers me most is the camera movement from all the dashing, tho. but if im gonna be honest its mostly an excuse for me to save primos for natlan hehe
gamble between clorinde or al haitham when i pull weapon banner...i got al haitham weapon...and people review and al haitham being hot is dead lock for me skipping clorinde despite she have more modern design.
also the fact thar fischl does like baisically 40% of the team damage says something else, shes just too stronk, if clorinde raw damage is higher and you put fischl with her in a aggravate/quickbloom comp then yeah thats kinda broken💀
When using Her to do her lunching attack, you have to listen out for a kind of sound or look at her E you see some red or white eco line things wnd yeah her E is pretty short
Even if she's a stronger version keqing, that just only makes me want to play her less cuz i already have my leqing at c5 and i don't even play her much cuz i played her more than enough during 1.0 and 1.1 and 3.0 and 3.1
Basically they Dehya’d her…HEAR ME OUT…thx… Her kit has some jank in it but thankfully she at least is an offensive unit and is marketed as one. Dehya is a “Tank” who doesn’t have anything innate in her kit that gives her a perk for taking Dmg. You want to gain anything from it? You need artifact sets or a whole other damn 5 star in Furina. Her Sig gives her CR but her numbers are just too low to justify it. Clorinde is an attacker who at least gets a bonus for causing reactions, but her numbers are low and her up time is restricted. They could’ve but a cooldown reduction into her kit similar to Arlecchino. But nope, you want to use her for more than a half second? You need TF to address her skill issues if you can’t dodge because “skill issue”. You need a whole other damn character…maybe Dehya? Her Sig is at least CD but her base numbers are low, which only manages to even her out. She isn’t counterintuitive like Dehya but she has contradictions in her kit to restrain her use that can’t be overcome. On a Mechanical Level she’s Dehya…but a little better. I’m not saying you can’t make her work. I play both just fine and you can to. They can hit OK. But if you’re wondering why she feels so frustrating, TGS put it up there and I’m just piling on. It’s all the jank in her kit. Also no Chevreuse…..😢
Her uptime is just annoying too low which is 7.5s with 16s cooldown. That last minute nerf is so annoying. At least they could make her uptime 8s instead Luckily I've farmed TF instead of harmonic whimsey Edit: at least I am glad I can put furina and clorinde at the same team, but unfortunately I cant add navia since clorinde and navia are dps so they are mutually exclusive if you effective teamwise
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Zhongli stonks are through the roof in Fontaine.
I hope they stop this bond of life and anti-healing characters... Because they will just get worse against powerful enemies.
@@MJAY552skill issue detected
My zhongli pull went from "cope skill issue pull" 2 years ago to now "I got 4 teams who all at the same time have to share him somehow" but I have to admit thats mainly because I like to replace important early Cons like nevuillete/hu tao C1s with other characters like zhongli/xianyun respectively.
Meta slaves malding 😂
Zhongli stonks have been high since release. He is the best pull in the game for any account.
“In order for her to feel good you have to compromise alot” 💀
😏😏😏
There is nothing wrong with this sentence yall are just degens
caught in 4k :D
Can't even check her panties when swimming coz of the bubbles.. I'm adult damn you!! An ADULT!!!
So yeah, no reason to pull for her. Stick to the loli's and boyband chars that will effeminate you and at the same time emasculate you. maybe some genderbending will be in order 10 years from now, or your kids will.
I know.. My very own propaganda but doesn't mean I have to be wrong. I really do feel like I'm getting emasculated when playing certain chars and most of them are the better ones.
Describes a lot of relationships perfectly. Mama-mia.
0:46 Bro made me question my life. I don't have gf btw
Not yet, stay on the grind 💪
Omg this is hilarious 😂😂😂
Also : "And are we talking about genshin anymore ?"
That was funny
Hoyo released a pyro character for overload, and than have the audacity to intentionally release a brand new electro unit who doesnt work well with pyro off fielders BECAUSE THEY NERFED HER UPTIME FOR NO REASON, AND THEN MAKE HER TRIAL AN OVERLOAD TEAM, the fak are clorinde kit designers thinking?
This
money for cons :(
Clorinde is designed to be very middle ground, but due to Fischl, she's only good with Quicken. There are a lot of better-synergized with Fischl, being Yae and Keqing, so she's like Cyno, but Cyno benefits from buffers with long buffs' duration like Yelan, Xq, Furina,Baizhu and Beidou, while Clorinde is only limited to Fischl only. Her only upside is her self-healing but against aggressive enemy, you would need defensive utility anyway. On another note, Kirara c6 provides not only to Aggravate driver, but also Fischl, so she's not that far behind Nahida.
No. Actually, what are they thinking with some of these new characters?! I'm not asking for every character to be another Neuvillette/Furina, but is too much to ask for every unit to at least be good?
Greed. And they have simple philosophy
1. If character is interesting and cool effects in battle = weak
2. If character has boring effects And boring play style= strong.
Why? Because they know their playerbase very well.. you can see people defending hoyoverse for literally everything. "Dehya bad? Hell nahh she's atleast cute and we should be grateful"? The f😂
High Ping definitely affects how much BoL she gains. It also slightly affects how many rounds of shooting she can fit in during battle before it runs out.
Yeah, when i sometimes got ping, his BoL came soo much after his shots xddd.
exactly!! It sucks especially when im trying to gain the 2000hp from the third stack but the BoL doesnt fricking accumulate
Do you exactly know how much high ping are we talking about?
@@jorgedr5835 Above 180 ping is when the BoL react later. If u have another conection problem that is not ping it also stacks bad (but this is more ocassional tho).
Like i play on 170 ping and i can play her nice, but when i get over that i start stacking BoL like a second after the shot Xd.
@@santi3256 i experienced this same issue on her release day. I was having a bad internet that day. But the day after it returned back to 160-180 and got better.
Most proximity attackers have an interruption resistance of 0.5 while activating their skills. The only exceptions are Keqing, Klee, Ayaka, Alhaitham, and Arlecchino.
Arlecchino has a full interruption resistance placed on C1.
The placement of Clorinde's interruption resistance backward is no doubt intentional.
Clorinde and Keqing really don't feel similar to play at all. You're swapping pretty often with Keqing and there's no set rotation with her because of her flexibility. If anything Raiden is the most direct gameplay comparison. Very similar damage windows, N3C Vs N3E rotations, and neither is able to swap out during those times.
I think Raiden offering utility vaults her above for most people, but Clorinde is flashy and fun to play.
clorinde is pretty good imo, worst part about her has to be HER FOOOOOKIN PING DEPENDANCY, if you're 400+ ping youre basically playing physical cyno
@@l284l they probably will, since it's a interval part of her kit, compared to echoes artifact which is entirely optional
Excuse my ignorance, but what is that ping yall talking about??
@@aimarmarmar--_-- your internet connection, which shows as ms in your top right bar
@@aimarmarmar--_-- its a number mainly dependent on your physical distance from the genshin server you are connected to. Since the billion dollar company Hoyoverse cant create servers in certain regions, we are forced to connect to servers with higher pings. High ping usually affects our input delay and in this case, Clorinde's bond of life gain
@@jaydendsouza2416meanwhile even small companies have lots of servers for better gameplay. Now, some hoyo bots will justify this one too😂
Yeah, at least with most of the other main electros, they feel good without shields. Raiden with her POISE, Yae with her ranged afk camping strats, etc
Keqing with her i-frames...
i really appreciate your non biased and objective takes on characters, really helped me make up my mind
If she's disappointing what will sigewinne be
A release
first 3 star character in genshin ❤
@@TheGenshinScientist of all time.
Siegweinne is definetly targeting younger audience. The goofiest she is the better
new standard character
Worth noting that that Qiqi,Zhongli,Furina team also benefits from that healing received bonus, as it has two character's that provide that: Qiqi and Furina. And it has a lot of other little synergies as well. Qiqi's burst is big healing for the on-field character, so you need fewer normals for Clor. Zhongli debuffs phys resists as well, on top of electro and hydro ones, while Qiqi will likely be in Clam. It's an interesting team that has a lot of synergy between its characters, while addressing most of Clor's comfort of gameplay issues.
The problem is... Clorinde dmg without dendro is...
@@cleod7439 Adequate, that's the word you're missing. This team has Furina, who does damage and provides a big DMG boost. Qiqi can be in either Maidens, for more BoL for Clor, or Clam for some phys procs of her, so that's some extra damage. The team also lets you do less normals on Clor, which also helps offset the dendro edge. And Zhongli debuffs phys, electro, and hydro. On top of that, there's the Zhongli comfort factor. For most players, having that comfort factor means they'll play this version much closer to its ceiling than one that has an inferior or no shielder. And so while in theory, the damage gap will be big, in practice, it won't be for these players.
At the end of the day, there are two things to consider:
1) Can you clear the Abyss/content fast enough? Not how fast. Just fast enough, because rewards are binary. You either make the time or you don't.
2) Are you having fun? Because it's a game, and if you aren't having fun, well, I hope you're at least a successful content creator so you're getting paid for it.
And all that said, I won't be playing this team, because I skipped Clor as I have no interest in a character with all the hassles that go with the BoL characters. Also don't have or want Zhongli, but regardless... ;)
@@cleod7439try yun jin I had a good time with dendro less teams with yunjin
@@Axterix13 i mean, im not saying that the team dosent have synergy, but Clorinde personal dmg is balance around dendro reactions and taking advantage of her fast electro app (same as cyno or keqing).
So playing her without dendro is like playing gaming or hu tao without vape, or wanderer without faruzan C6, the team can work obviously, but the dps lose in the main carry is of around 10k, if her team dps are already not the greatest without defensive support, and you're also not using a 3rd dps but zhongli, and also taking away her dendro reactions... At that point wouldn't be better just play something like Clorinde with kirara instead of running a team with a healer, shielder and without good reactions??
@@cleod7439that's not true, yes dendro teams are her best but she's still really good in other teams, it's not a pryo and hydro scenario
I think fontaine just increased standards when it comes to dps. Also releasing clorinde right after the monster that is Arlecchino just makes Clorinde feel kinda underwhelming. Not saying that she is bad, just decent with some issues
Yeap. Both Arlecchino and Neuvillette were insanely powerful. Not sure why Hoyo was so afraid to bump up Clorinde's damage.
@@NineLivesNatethey were afraid of the backlash they would have gotten if a champion duelist her damage was on par with a dragon and a fatui harbinger
@@HatDog21nah that's not the reason, cos the game isn't based on lore, look at raiden's damage... they just want to be able to sell Raiden on banner hence they nerfed her
@@HatDog21 nah, lore ain't it. Kazuha power creeped Venti so hard, and Venti is an archon. If Harbingers are so powerful, then Wanderer surely should have done more damage?
I feel like Neuvi and Arle are kinda like the new exceptions to the "character dmg doesnt have to follow lore" rule(?). Neuvi, after all, is the first playable sovereign dragon we have in the game (the sovereign dragons are one of the most important characters that affected the entire game's lore, like how we see Celestia and the Archons) and then next is Arle who's the highest ranking harbinger we've encountered (and Nahida did say that the higher ranks of the Fatui have power akin to gods). Imo, it'd make sense if hoyo purposefully made them powerful as shit to show the players the kind of power they're now facing with, both from new allies and enemies.
That said, Idk if it will become a trend and that Clorinde just got yoimiya'd in a way by having two of the most powerful DPS characters release right before her. Or maybe Neuvi and Arle just happen to powerful and that's it **shrugs**
So basically All i got from this was, Clorinde is good but hard to use compared to other characters therefore if you got skill issues dont play her or just use a shield if available. I think a lot players are not used to clorinde as of yet and have not adapted to her playstyle. Just like arle in a sense.
She has felt fine for me. I've just been using her with fischl, dehya, and chevruse. She covers dehya's weakness of only taking a portion of the damage. I don't have c6 chevruse, but the damage still feels fine with dehya on TOM. Although the furina quickbloom definitely feels the strongest. Im just happy to finally have a team where dehya feels like she's doing something.
This is the first character that I whale to get and her weapon and honestly 350$ to get a character it's ridiculous and I feel bad for it. I lost my 50/50 to Qiqi at 80 then got my guaranteed at 80 pity again then for the weapon I lost twice and now I'm at 62 pity on the last try. This experience has made me never want to spend $$ on wishes ever again.
I honestly feel bad for you. My advice in the future is to save the whaling intill you fully research the Character pre and post release as spreadsheet dmg doesnt always equal IRL gameplay. My only whaling experience was for furina c2 which i planned for since her early beta days and even then I waited intill a week after her release to get her c1-c2 as i wanted tobe sure from others it wouldn't be an issue especially with me being a high ping mobile player. Same reason I had to skip chlorine even thou I don't have any onfielder electro dps as my 200+ ping would make her worse feeling to play than even sethos i think
@@agiant5715 I don't mind pulling for Clorinde I know she isn't S tier but I like her enough. My issue is how ridiculously expensive this game can be. I shouldn't have to spend over 50$ to get a character and 100$ to get both the character and weapon.
@panik28 she is S tier. Quickbloom with TF/whimsy with furina, nahid and baizhu is literally cracked.
What a fool. If you had spent that money on drugs, liquor or women you would have been infinitely better off.
I think this ultimately speaks to a need for Hoyo to diversify things like cooldowns and buff durations.
If they're going to make a DPS with an awkward downtime, then they just need more characters that work with it.
They've been pretty same-y with timings, so it hurts the few characters that don't fit the mold.
What can you expect from developers that has the same mold for almost everything?
Keep giving Hoyo your money and you will not get any change.
You do realize she has 100% uptime with thundering fury right.
With the thundering fury clorindes speed can allow her to trigger the 4 pc at effect enough times that that makes her skill reach 100 uptime.
I feel like they've been trying for a while, but every time people in beta don't like it.
Like, Yoimiya and beta v1 Ayato feel like they're designed to be played together in a dual carry team. In the beta, Ayato needed to have someone else do NAs on field to... reduce his E cooldown IIRC. And Yoimiya's burst seems designed to have someone else attacking while it's active.
As they say in cooking, not every waffle is oerfect. Some ate mid but still delicious. It applies to chars. Sometimes u hit the mold, sometimes misses a bit
I think the one major QoL feature i think Clorinde is missing is a visual indicator for when she is at max BoL. Something similar to Wriothesly's red glow effect when he gets his enhanced CA would be much appreciated on Clorinde, because having to look at her health bar to see my BoL stack up feels awkward
I think she has one, but it is not visible at all when you’re fighting (i may be incorrect)
Just do the N3E1 x 6 combo without looking at the hp bar and worry about your BoL. Occasionally you might not do a lunge at full BoL or do an extra pistol shot if you get interrupted or have to dodge, but otherwise turn the combo into muscle memory and her dmg should be very good and consistent. It works for me.
Seriously...seriously...I have to ask...do you have clorinde and tried her trial.
Her skill literally starts flashing when the bond is max so you know to press it. Once you hit the 105 mark it starts to pulse for you to use.
@@rushalias8511 sEriOUSly SerIOUsly, please stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Her skill is more out of the way (bottom right) than her hp bar so that just makes it worse. Plus you are not considering the fact that high ping players have to wait even after completing N3 so we have to look at the hp bar just to make sure that we have enough BoL.
5:28 I love how you politely said "Skill Issue"
Kirara c4+ is super underrated with her man, if only more ppl had her.
Trying to get newer 4* cons in 2024 is hell.
As far as I see the main issue of Clorinde is her rotations are too quick for classic hypercarry and too long for quickswap
Damage vise she seems okay, strong but not earth shattering
Every road one takes to understand why her duration was nerfed leads to an uglier answer than the last. I don't think im exaggerating when i say this was the most needless nerf in the game's history , at least with dehya we could excuse it for her being standard, clorinde is limited , therefore every answer one can come up with casts an ugly shadow on mihoyo as a company and the game's future as a whole. If you like a character, You're at the mercy of mihoyo's favouritism
The game future right now is to make all 4 stars trash until you get them to C6 and make all 5 stars incomplete and underwhelming unless you get C1 (aka Hutao treatment).
@@shonenhikada9254Yeah man. It sucks so much that they made Neuvillite and Furina so underwhelming. Really needed their c1-c6 implemented into their base kit so they could atleast be on par with Deyha. So sad….
9:37 I second that and I recently knew about the ping issue with her. Im heartbroken
Having fun with Overload Clorinde. Dehya unironically makes the team feel viable. Gonna try more Quickbloom too. Even if Quicken is her best, other teams still feel fine as long as you're not getting staggered constantly.
Thank you for the shoutout!
the real concept behind the qiqi team is skyward blade increases your attack speed and healing generates bond of life. this means you can output way more damage in the 7s window. superconduct is just a bonus since there isnt actually any other healer that could heal as much as qiqi with the constraints for the team. the physical damage even with all the shred is only ~12% of the damage per hit.
i’m still so pissed they reduced her cd there was literally no point
4:00 Yeah... no Chevy on this banner is peak Hoyo trolling. I had to stack 50 pity on Baizhu to get around it, and the C6 Faruzan I got from that has been a more enjoyable DPS than Clorinde. Mainly because her dash attack keeps going in the complete wrong direction. We'll have to see if future enemies and/or characters make her more useful.
If your dash is going in the wrong direction then you are pressing a direction input and making it miss
Just wanna say - having a Genshin CC that doesn’t seem to be involved in drama is so pleasant - I don’t have time for drama, just want to support a CC that makes good content. Keep it up, you’re the best out there.
True and real tbh
love him for it too. we just need hi to add his hand gestures to his content now
Most Genshin content creators never was reliable. Now, they move to wuwa. it's quite concerning, they're gonna ruin the game.
Protip: when you hover over video in recommended feed, click on the three dots in the top right corner, and select "Don't recommend channel" for the drama farmers.
You'll have a much more pleasant browsing experience when none of their nonsense reaches your view.
(You might have to occasionally re-apply, as UA-cam loves to turn around and ignore your preferences like ARE YOU SURE?!?!?!)
I consider myself a severely skill issue player. I find her Furina/Zhongli/Qiqi team very very very satisfying to play with. All my characters are C0 (well except Qiqi that is at C4) my Clorinde is using Skyward Blade (yes. lol).
I have been consistently clearing side 1 of floor 12 in under a minute with this team.
If you are having problems with her and have this setup, try it. It's pretty decent for how comfortable it is.
Shout-out to Jamie and Jello for making guides about this comp.
Clorinde needs for the player to think on where to dash, as it is so fast that most enemies miss their attacks on her, so you can use Baizhu for the interruption and damage mitigation
Your analogy for Clorinde is spot on. She sucked me dry, and I didn't feel good about it afterward.
I had to spend five full pity for C0R1 😢. I have Haran and an extra Mistsplitter, but my crazy ass though she didn't look good with a katana.
got her. didnt know about the BoL ping issue. going back to keqing lol
Gyss support the creators who still does in-game content and stop watching drama videos for a min
4:00
Ho-yoverse hoyoverse hoyoverse
i find that part very sexy, not gonna lie
i was gonna pull clorinde but then i played her on my brothers account and really didnt like it, also later learnt that her bond of life is effected by high ping and as an australian my ping is like 150 on average but will sometimes get close to 300, also we got emilie kit leaks and i wanna make funny burning teams and pair her with my c2 nahida and natlan is coming with the pyro archon and given how emilie wants pyro i think shes one of the most blatant examples of a character being designed with future units in mind, so yeah im just gonna pull emilie instead, besides i already have too many on field dps's and she would probably get benched quickly for me anyway.
yay the slow-mo parts actually looks natural now
I pulled her without looking at any online discourse and never noticed anything wrong. At this point, pairing an electro on fielder with fischl and dendro seems natural and she feels very strong to me. I use fischl sucrose and yao yao.
5:03 Finally, the actual Clorinde vs. Keqing numbers. I guess i'm pulling (at least until i hit 50/50).
While I skip Clorinde, I really appreciate her for having gimmick that can used with Qiqi and Skyward Blade.
IIRC, Qiqi is there not just for applying Cryo or healing but also add healing bonus to Clorinde on top of Furina, which make her feel BoL easier to the point that you might be able to do N2E.
And Qiqi will also likely be in Clam, which benefits from the phys debuffs provided by the reaction and Zhongli's shield.
My Clorinde team consists of Clorinde Sara Furina Baizhu. It may indeed be quickbloom but I assure you the reaction contribute little in the team.
Baizhu have burst team heal (E) to accommodate Furina's stack building and refreshing shield to accommodate Clorinde non-existence interrupt resistance.
Clorinde kit favor ATK over EM as opposed to other Electro character (still not as much as Raiden), Also Baizhu passive already increase Clorinde aggravate and hyperbloom DMG in place of EM stat (rougly equivalent to 105 EM if Clorinde have 0 EM and will yield more if she have more EM). Furina DMG bonus increase both Clorinde and Sara DMG, both raw DMG and aggravate DMG.
rotation: Furina[E] -> Baizhu[QE] -> Furina[Q] -> Sara[EC] -> Clorinde[Q]** -> Sara[Q] -> Clorinde [E->6N3E (or N2E if Baizhu heal)]
** I do it this way to maximize Mist Splitter Reforged passive
I know not all of you have C6 Sara or C2 Furina but you can't exactly call me whale for going for "Top META" constellations (at the time). You can save as low spender or even F2P and go for a bit of vertical investment on strong character to carry you.
P.S. - Play however your like. You play the game for your own enjoyment (hopefully), have fun and good luck with your pull.
Almost every TC for Genshin: Clorinde is the best electro DPS in the game and pretty strong.
Almost every TC viewer on UA-cam: Clorinde is mid/sucks.
It's almost as if the people only come to hate and don't watch the video. She may not be Neuvilette, but 72.5k with only the BP weapon is damn good DPS. She's obviously harder to play, but what does it matter? If you like her better than Neuvi or Arlecchino you'll learn to play her, it's not really THAT hard.
Almost as if genshin has an extremely sensitive fanbase that would dog on the TC if they call any character anything other than good or above average. Your comment reads like copium , at this point people have accepted she is mid , stop sugar coating it
It is also interesting that they like to bring up Arl as well, who, while being higher reward, is also higher risk than Clor. And has a lot of BoL related teaming considerations as well.
That said, I do think the quality of life aspects of a kit should be mentioned, because that, more than a bit more damage, is what will likely impact how long it'll be before they shelf the character. Like Cyno, Ganyu, and Lyney... all are perfectly fine DPS, but how they play and teaming restrictions means many people either skipped them or, if they did get them, have stopped using them. And it is my expectation that this will happen with Arl as well.
The problem is that those dps numbers are not much higher than keqing or cyno teams and her teams are exactly the same, that's the problem.
@@Axterix13 arle is nowhere near as risky as clorinde to play, she's also significantly more powerful and flexible. Not even a fair comparison. You seem to forget she has a passive that gives her resistance, while being able to dodge since she has infinite up time on her infusion while clorinde has a pathetic 7 second up time that'll be cut even shorter if you dodge or get hit. Thats ignoring the heal on burst
@@goddamnarshia thx you for mentioning how dodging more with her actually eats up from the already short skill time window. People say our criticism of her is "skill issue" but when even 200+ ping is already significant enough to lose on a 1/3 of her rot dmg, probably even with perfect dodging there would be a significant lost too (there is the tech of using her skill to attack/dodge at the same time but thats probably not doable 100% of the time especially in mutliwave content
To be fair reguarding the meta it’s gonna take alot of steps if they keep creating characters similar to neuvilette or arlecchino. To be fair it might be better not to give to much charcters like these so the game doesn’t dry out so having clordine not being overpowered makes sense in my eyes. One of genshins many mechanics is to use team building however it be really hard to do that if ya technically had a 1 man army.
They don't need to make every character Neu or Arle level, simply giving as Navia level characters is good enough.
Neuviellette existing just means that every DPS will be judged on that standard that's just how it is.
We were so close to greatness. Clorinde, Sara, Yun Jin, Chevreuse. And now imagine Yun Jin being either pyro or electro.
That team would be there giving Clorinde the highest personal damage at 65k/s and would be pretty much on par with the
dreaded aggravate. :*(
7:13 just remember... dehya could've been a meta sustain unit if they just had her skill have no secondary cooldown to the super armor. they sabotaged her so much.
Yeah she needs a tracker or indication for the Bond of life, like a sound effect like her weapon passive sound effect
I love characters like this that reward good gameplay. Her synergy with furina makes her different enough from other electro dps on my acc since furina c2 only needs only a bit of healing to get max stacks. I can then replace Baizhu with fischl and everything gets one rotated basically 😂
Oh and her synergy with yun jin in single target is really cool!
Same for me, I like mindless characters like Neuvi but having a few like Chlorinde that require tighter rotations makes playing the game actually challenging and fun.
I honestly think Clorinde is the character that made me love Genshin again, because she made me completely rethink how I team-build. It may be "Cope", but I've been having a lot more fun exploring VV-less teams and using lesser-used units. Plus she works with Venti, and Baizhu on his own is enough IR to make her feel very smooth
Another fantastic video from TGS, covering the strengths and weaknesses of Clorinde, as well as her more niche teams like Skyward Blade Qiqi Superconduct. Personally I find her best team to be Fischl Nahida Kazuha, same as Keqing’s best team which carried me through some *tough* previous abysses. Seeing her as a stronger dps option than many other electro dps options (aside from dolphin investment Raiden) makes her have decent pull value. Of course, for f2ps without Furina I highly recommend pulling powerful supports over main dpses which Hoyo seems bent on churning out during Fontaine.
Is that Chlorinde vs Yae vs Keqing comparison at 4:55 for their personal damage or team damage? I'm guessing it's their personal damage, which is maybe half or less of the team damage?
Personal dmg seems likely since otherwise it wouldn't make sense, their team dmg is much more similar than that, very much in the same ballpark
She's been by far the most polarizing character in Genshin by now, either people over praises her saying she's the best or they doomed her bc of the weird adjustments to her kit.
To me it's a really complicated case of "she's good and does really good DMG, but she feels so weird in practice." Not the champion duelist combat style they promised from the beginning nor a disappointing kit overall.
People saying she's best are often paid actors for Hoyo. They are meant to spread lies and hype characters up so the playerbase will pull for the character.
As someone who plays and loves Clorinde's playstyle, here's my take:
If you like her and want her, don't worry about her performace or how others think. Get her, you will enjoy her.
If you don't want her, either because of some pre-conceived notion that she's clunky and the worst electro character so far, or you just don't really find her appealing, then simply don't get her.
This has been said on numerous occasions; Genshin Impact is an easy game. Pull for the characters you want, enjoy the game however you please, the game is your oyster.
I will never forgive Hoyoverse for reducing her duration from 9.5 seconds to 7.5 :)
I almost quit genshin from how pissed off I was with this sudden stupid change
But should I get her if I have raiden C0
@@cat.2260 why is it bad that her cd is reduced?
@@VajaraDoorson her cooldown wasn't reduced, her night vigil state was reduced.
The mode when she uses her E-skill and changes her auto attacks from swords to pure electro gunning. This is the "night vigil" state that was reduced from 9.5 seconds to 7.5
Surely I dont have to tell you why her night vigil duration being reduced is a bad thing, right?
But if i do have to; basically this means her on-field time is ALOT shorter, and because its so short- the cycle of using your other teammates doesnt match properly and its clunky. When she finishes her time on-field, everyone else still has their cooldowns, making her clunky.
@cat.2260 Oh E-skill, sorry I haven't played the game in months and don't have her so I didn't know what you meant
The qiqi comp is just really fun seeing so many numbers from nahida furina clrinde and physicial is just satisfying
I think playing Clorinde without a shielder or Dehya is a crime. (Or constellations ofc). She fets pushed around everywhere it's so crazy.
Basically making her self sustain worthless.
04:54 thanx for Keqing and Miko comparison, I needed that.
keep in mind this is most likely only a personal dmg comparison, not whole team dmg comparison, Keqing and Miko's aggravate teams sheet very close to Clorinde's - at least in all prior calcs i've seen up to this point, they're incredibly close. In fact depending on the set Clorinde's using and other parameters (weapon, how many enemies etc) they can even sheet higher
(Clorinde's cons are very strong though, so this is obviously assuming a C0 Clorinde and C0 Yae Miko. For Keqing the calcs I've seen tend to assume anywhere from C4 to C6, probably because she's a very old standard character)
@@clementlassalle4317 thx for the info!
Playing since late 1.1, just got my first Keqing on standard banner a month ago -_-
@@toura8265 that's so sad to hear omg
As someone who started in 3.2 and got Keqing in 3.8 it already felt like a long wait, so i can't imagine having to wait basically three whole years, i'd be so pissed
The comparison to a red flag killed me. Great vid.
I play with a ping of 140ms, supposedly she can do her combo 6 times, but with my ping I can only do 3.5 times.
Didn't want her but got her in my first wish. I guess I was lucky. Later I was baited to pull for her weapon because I wanted a 5* sword for my account and I had both Alhaitam and Clorinde so whatever sword I got I was going to use it.
I find it funny how she can be given a healing bonus circlet and heal herself to an extreme extent (50+% per N3E)
The gameplay issues are my main problem with her.. Clorinde is so ping dependent that if you have even 100 above Ping , she doesn't feel great to play because fee of her combos doesn't register (a casual player won't notice).. Not to mention her targeting system is actually janky.
Damn so she's also scuffed with ping issues like ayato on echo set? My average is 220ms so good thing i delayed on pulling for her intill i saw what other players find her actual gameplay was post launch compared to spreadsheet dmg in leaks. Thanks again for confirming me its better to save my primos
I always have 300 ping and it's frustrating to play her
@@agiant5715I play on 160-180 ping on mobile, and tbh it doesn't feel as bad as on 350 ping. Thankfully we installed wifi in our home earlier this year. 😅
@megalith7796 goodthing u upgraded your wifi because while I personally dont have her to speak from experience, some online discord freinds have shared me screen recordings of how at like 250+ ping, quite few of the skill mode hits dont actually give BOL and some don't even register the actual electro dmg hits themselves. Basically its not that it feels "laggy" but that its the same as for example playing with echo artfiact set ayato on high ping and getting only half of the expected dmg numbers because for some reason, some of the buffs are getting skip for werid internet syncing reasons.
Oh, sweet. I got Skyward Blade as my last standard banner 5 star. I didn't build it because I didn't have a use for it, but looks like I do now
There is definitely an argument to be made of kirara c4+ > nahida c0 for clorinde and i don't think it's incorrect
Clorinde + Chevreuse (C6?) + Raiden + Xiangling (C4)
I tried this just for kicks and it somehow did better than my traditional Raiden/Chevreuse hypercarry team on floor 12. It's probably even more braindead than Rational. Just pop a Chevy bullet to buff Pyronado plus anyone of the on-fielders and keep clicking on that until you get another Chevy bullet for the burst of your other on-fielder then you keep clicking on that until Pyronado is off cooldown again. Rinse and repeat. The timings are so lenient that I don't even have to concern myself with optimizing neither Clorinde's nor Raiden's rotations. So long as I get a burst off, I only need to keep clicking until someone else is off cooldown.
She's very interesting character when you look on her numbers you'll wtf is that but if you look on the boss hp it's literally being erased people didn't like her because they like big numbers but imo she's a broken character i use sara c6 cheveruse c6 and xiangling she does 60k per hit finale of the deep r5 gladiator set she's very strong character , i really wish you try this team it's cracked 🎉
Ngl.. Clorinde Taser feels good.. And with Ororon coming it can be better..
Not to mention theres xilonen..
She can do hypercatry with kujou xilonen kazuha..
BRO!!! WHY DOES NOBODY TALK ABOUT CYNO!!!! I believe if you test them side by side, cyno and clorand will be equal
i have a feeling cyno is better in quickbloom while clorinde is better for aggravate.
you can't be sure if its enough healing.... unless your healer is QIqi!
Baizhu: The world has always forgotten about me
Her most under-rated team and personally my favorite one is tazer with furina/yelan/jean.
Zhongli is the best support for damage and fun balance. My Clorinde is glued to him until I can get at least C4 Kirara
The point she can’t replace Raiden shogun!
There’s a prophecy going on which will probably happen that no other electro character from all teyvat including future characters can’t replace Raiden shogun🙂↔️
I normally play electro with colourful colours. Clorinde is not an exception. Use TF on her and watch her shine in quickbloom.
9:51 I was wondering why you were pointing at Clorinde's feet (which you also did in the Arlechinno and Al Haitham video) but then I realized it was supposed to be a outro card that links to one of your other videos but for some reason it's not there for me so I saw feet
She was super fun In trial, until I found her E finished so fast and you can’t swap and back for Infusion killed all my Interest to pull . 😅 tbh Arle rise the level of enjoyment with almost Infinite Infusion
Always good content, keep it up! Alla prossima.
Well, to me I got clorinde with 10 wishes only and working her to reach L90.
I currently use finale of the deep and R5 harbinger of dawn.
Teams, I still prefer lynnet + Mona + zhongli, or xinagling + lynette + zhongli or Mona + collie / dendro traveler + zhongli.
Having anemo character actually help her to shred enemy electro resistance and venti or sucrose not preferred her as they send enemy up in the air and hard to hit them with clorinde sword dash attack, so lynette shine her
I was pulling for Benny and I accidentally got her after 20 pulls... Now I'm here
You are preety lucky
Don't listen to him he is just yapping
My biggest problem with her is how I spend 50% of time playing her is being lunched into the air like pls give her some interruption resistance
Buy her C1 or was it C2(the hoyoverse way these days.). i know about neuvillette but he can kite his way through and stay away from danger.
@@usmanya5110 unfortunately I can’t I’m f2p and I’m saving for furina 😭
With Qiqi you also heal on hit so you can do two hits instead of three, its more consistent than Jean.
Is Clorinde A Disappointing Release?
Yes.
I kinda regret investing so much to get her and her signature.
Clorine has a horrible skill uptime and a very long downtime.
7.5s skill uptime and 8.5s downtime to be exact.
You're basically not in her skill mode half of the time.
The long downtime makes her trash for coop play.
Her 3NA+E window is very precise, if you're dodging or getting attacks, that's a whole rotation ruined.
Idk what they were thinking when nerfing her skill uptime.
You should try the thundering fury set it's really good for this issue. if you get enough reactions lowest time her E cooldown is 1.2s, most i've had to wait in co-op was about 5s
you knew about this going in yet you pulled for her, it's not like the changed her after release
@@willhau9161sad how we gacha players tend to pull first and think later. I myself did that pulling furina like 2 mins after server update and thx god she was actually good (i did research alot during her prerelease but as we all know, spreadsheet numbers dont always mean IRL gameplay ones). Was gonna pull chorline as well because i didnt have an onfielder electro dps outside of c0 shougn but thx god i waited for the post release feedback as the ping dependents was a red flag for my 3rd world internet using ass
@@willhau9161 ppl be like puiling for Clorinde right after her banner was up then regret cause she's "avarage" smh my head /s.
Had no problems with her E downtime. By the time the rotation is finished, it's either the enemies are dead or her E is already up.
i saw one team of hers that ive heard does about as well as her dendro teams, and its the one where she uses skyward sword and has qiqi as a teammate, using the overhealing of qiqi to overcap on BoL, im still not sure the specifics of why the team works or why clorinde needs to use skyward sword for the team to work but id be interested in hearing your commentary on it
It's mentioned in the vid!
In that video, it had Qiqi on Maiden's set which I assume is to help build Clorinde's bond of life higher, but I'm thinking that Clam set on Qiqi is probably better since Superconduct helps improve the bubble pop damage from Clam, though I'm not sure where that investment breakpoint would be so that Clam set is enough to generate enough Bond of Life vs Maiden's.
you don't necessarily need skyward blade you can also use flute which has similar passive
@@mickysaif It takes 5 hits to get one proc from Flute, not to mention it's a 4* so it just has fewer stats. The team is already not incredible, just fun, so I wouldn't recommend Flute
Iirc, Jamie argues about Clam vs Maiden's, but opts for Maiden's because the whole point of using Qiqi instead of any other Cryo character is that no one can buff Clorinde's BoL as much as her and ideally you'd want it to be at 200% as often as possible.
you are banging out quality vids so fast its crazy >:0
Clorinde is a character who you basically handicap yourself with BoL in order to do about the same damage as Keqing.
I'm already at 73 pity pulling for clorinde. But after watching your video about clorinde's meta analysis, I need to think if I should continue pulling for her or going for c2 navia
i'd argue that if "her self heal is enough to stay alive" if you play right, then you should just play keqing right and she doesn't need a defensive option either
If you play right against triple kenki with Keqing, you will still take dmg from the cryo floor, and that dmg is permanent, meanwhile with Clorinde you just heal back
Just use baizhu or kirara for them lol
Just use prototype amber lol
@@asummusa2023
Is it really matter? Spiral Abyss can be completed with ~1% HP or 100% HP because both are still considered 'alive' by definition.
Yea but keqing will still clear slower...
i love her design, her gameplay looks so nice, but testing on the trial, her kit felt soooo clunky to play. sadly i have to skip
You can hold attack (similar to Ayato) to autofire the 3 gunshots, if that feels any better for you.
So it becomes more of a consistent two part rolling action rather than frantic mashing.
@@phoenixlau oh i didnt know that!! what bothers me most is the camera movement from all the dashing, tho.
but if im gonna be honest its mostly an excuse for me to save primos for natlan hehe
My main issue with her is that her uptime is far too low and her rotation is too tight because of it.
gamble between clorinde or al haitham when i pull weapon banner...i got al haitham weapon...and people review and al haitham being hot is dead lock for me skipping clorinde despite she have more modern design.
also the fact thar fischl does like baisically 40% of the team damage says something else, shes just too stronk, if clorinde raw damage is higher and you put fischl with her in a aggravate/quickbloom comp then yeah thats kinda broken💀
Isnt sara like perfect for her though? since her burst and skill give the same buff right for a short time
When using Her to do her lunching attack, you have to listen out for a kind of sound or look at her E you see some red or white eco line things wnd yeah her E is pretty short
Double dnf for Ferrari in Canada 💀
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Even if she's a stronger version keqing, that just only makes me want to play her less cuz i already have my leqing at c5 and i don't even play her much cuz i played her more than enough during 1.0 and 1.1 and 3.0 and 3.1
It’s not great but a lot of problems are solved by her Cons. She really want to be C2 imo.
So basically fontaine shougn then?
Well atleast she has other uses unlike chorinde@@agiant5715
@@agiant5715 shogun doesnt have any issues before c2. shes a driver support/hyperbloom trigger first and main dps second
If you have to get cons to fix a unit then you have a crap unit.
Basically they Dehya’d her…HEAR ME OUT…thx…
Her kit has some jank in it but thankfully she at least is an offensive unit and is marketed as one.
Dehya is a “Tank” who doesn’t have anything innate in her kit that gives her a perk for taking Dmg. You want to gain anything from it? You need artifact sets or a whole other damn 5 star in Furina.
Her Sig gives her CR but her numbers are just too low to justify it.
Clorinde is an attacker who at least gets a bonus for causing reactions, but her numbers are low and her up time is restricted. They could’ve but a cooldown reduction into her kit similar to Arlecchino. But nope, you want to use her for more than a half second? You need TF to address her skill issues if you can’t dodge because “skill issue”. You need a whole other damn character…maybe Dehya?
Her Sig is at least CD but her base numbers are low, which only manages to even her out.
She isn’t counterintuitive like Dehya but she has contradictions in her kit to restrain her use that can’t be overcome.
On a Mechanical Level she’s Dehya…but a little better.
I’m not saying you can’t make her work. I play both just fine and you can to. They can hit OK.
But if you’re wondering why she feels so frustrating, TGS put it up there and I’m just piling on. It’s all the jank in her kit. Also no Chevreuse…..😢
I regret choosing her over alhaitham and i don't have zhongli
Her uptime is just annoying too low which is 7.5s with 16s cooldown. That last minute nerf is so annoying. At least they could make her uptime 8s instead
Luckily I've farmed TF instead of harmonic whimsey
Edit: at least I am glad I can put furina and clorinde at the same team, but unfortunately I cant add navia since clorinde and navia are dps so they are mutually exclusive if you effective teamwise
It was more fun unit than a meta unit , really gd points 👍👍👍