£250 Vs £6500 Watch - Affordable or Luxury Watch?
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- Опубліковано 6 бер 2021
- Seiko 5 Sports SRPD55K1 Vs Rolex Submariner 124060
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You need both. The Seiko when you walk around in Paris or London, the Rolex when you chill on the sofa and flex on Instagram.
😄 love this
It’s a bit sad that you can’t walk around with the watch that you love...
I wore a sea dweller in London for like 5 years, not always possible to stuff under the cuff on the tube...
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I wore my Sub everywhere, very often in Paris...
So what?!
To be honest, I own two Seikos with the 4R35 movement and neither of them ever do much worse than +5-6 seconds a day. Seiko is renowned for rating their watches to the most ridiculously poor accuracy margins, despite the fact that they almost always perform a hell of a lot better than that.
Mine is like 15+/- so yeah but you don't get a automatic for the accuracy or to tale you the time you get it because you like it
Think I have a exceptional one out the box +2 sec a day. I got mine for the style, look, build. Seiko just has that great clarity and sharpness and I love glancing at it. On top of that I do like the fact I can simply hand wind it when I want without having to unscrew the crown. I am also safe walking down the street with no fear of being mugged for my watch.
My SRPD runs at about -9 per day, certainly can’t complain
@@thisoldbelair agree, very good figure. I love the fact we have a beating micro machine on our wrist. I have quartz watches as well if I want to pick up and go and know the time is right. My autos are my weekend thing.
Have your seikos regulated if you feel that they are too fast or slow, it's an easy thing to do for watchmakers with a timegrapher and it makes your watches a lot more accurate than when they were adjusted in the factory.
Rolex accuracy is amazing. Every time you glance at it, it reliably tells you how much money you have.
@KGR Even the cheapest G-Shock only lost/gain less than 15 seconds a MONTH.
God tier.
yea zero money cos it's all spent on the watch
Lol
Best comment
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Not sure where I heard it, but "Anyone who buys a ten thousand dollar watch is either very very good with money, or very bad with it"
Woooow amen!!!!! I love it!
Haha sounds true
Wise words
17-minutes late vs 1-minute late.....either way, you've missed the train.
Haha. Very true.
Waiting to depart for 16 minutes fewer seems more likely
Not if your early
You'll still make the train in the UK, though
@@jonthedoors ....LOL
Best ability is availability. I prefer seiko over rolex for that.
Buy a Seiko while you are on a wait list perhaps 🤔
If you would not actually buy a Rolex if it were available, then your comments are pure waffle 🧇
Get an Omega or a Tudor.
You can actually buy them.
@@panorama4526 I bought 3 Tudors while waiting (played into their hands lol).
Might look at an Omega but do not think it’s my thing.
Neither is a Sub though!
Something to keep in mind: seiko is *extremely* modest with their accuracy ratings. Usually, they maintain the same level of accuracy as the rolex (or in my experience anyway)
You’re a funny guy. I like you.
This is true. I've seen the seiko 5s easily hold on to, give or take, 2 seconds a day
@@leatt6136 I mean, he's not exactly lying. Many a reviewer say their seikos hold a MUCH closer accuracy than their on-paper spec.
@@thegirthquake8574 i’m not laughing about that part, I’m laughing about the fact apparently most of them are at the same level of accuracy as Rolex which is obviously b*llshit.
@@leatt6136 I mean-- Fair enough.
Lol if the number of jewels in a movement indicate quality then Vostok is on par with Rolex 😂
31 Jewels! Show me what you got Rolex!!!
@@willayton4950 Hahahaha exactly
Old Wives tales the more jewels the better the movment, that all started in the early 80's for watch companies to try and pretend there watch was better than others. So many early pocket watches only had 6 jewels and are still working today over a 155 years later. Its not amount of jewels it all comes down to workmen ship, material, and engineering.
@@greamepenney5947 Yup, that's my poin aswell. Just iritates me when large watch channels spread these kinds of myths and don't bother to do basic research
@@holokron1337 totally agree. I asked before if Adrian's rolex did not have rolex on it would he still see the watch in the same light. Or is he just taken by the brand name and not so much the real technical side of what the watch is designed for. Also its only a dive watch design its not a dive watch divers wear a dive computer. The year is 2021 not 1950. But its sad when a supposed watch channel says something that shows there ignorance.
My 2 cents, based on my experience. I'm a diver and I always wear a dive watch as a backup to my computer. I also use the watch to time the surface intervals between dives. I own both a Rolex Sub and a Seiko Save the Ocean turtle. As a time keeping device the Rolex is obviously the superior piece. But as a diving tool I much prefer the Seiko. The larger diameter makes it easier to read in low light/poor visibility conditions and the taller/grippier bezel is so much easier to operate, especially when using gloves. Love both watches. Great video!
Finally a review from an actual diver, actually learned something, thanks ✌
@@gdesatyavrata 👍
Got to love the Seiko Turtle. I have the olive green dial turtle on a Classic red and green Bond nato, its gorgeous,
We found the only guy who actually uses the watches for diving.
@@overman2306 I use my Citizen Fugu for diving and in should never take my Rolex Submariner to a dive, where I can easily break it or even lose it.
“The Rolex is more my style” shock statement from Adrian 😉😂
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Owned a submariner, and to be honest at the time I wasn't a big watch fan I didn't appreciate the watch I had. I think that really says something about the cult of watches . And I think you summed it up when you said don't buy a watch just to impress people. But that's exactly why people will buy a rolex. My opinion on rolex, I didn't think it was that special. Quite a heavy lump of metal on a jangly bracelet. And to think of all the car salesmen that wear them
Great assessment of these two iconic watches.
I do agree that, having a watch right now, to wear everyday, is much better than waiting for a watch that you may wear only on a few occasions.
The Seiko 5 to me is the best value IMHO. Thanks for your insight and thanks for sharing.
Its true its like buying expensive shoe and not wearing it or just a chuck taylor that we use a lot everyday👍
This is THEE essential watch ownership conversation.
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One you'll miss your train for. One you'll lose your wrist for! 🤦
True.
Here in UK, you'd miss the train and lose your wrist either way :D
You wouldn't buy the Seiko if you wanted to know what time it is. I don't see the point of it. Buy a black Casio Duro instead and pocket the change.
@@greensocks4507 You could make the same argument about the Rolex though. Or just use your phone which is always going to be more accurate.
@@SirLoinOfsteak85 You can hardly make the same argument for the Rolex. At +/- 2s/day, it would take 30 days to get to a minute off. And that's assuming there's zero variance there, and the watch is running at the very edge of its accuracy requirement.
I have a friend who would spend thousands of pounds on a push bike, which I don't see the point of. Yet he doesn't see the point of me spending thousands on a watch. But isn't that the point, each to their own hobbies & passions? If you like something you like it, if it £50 or £5000!!
That's the trouble, there are so many people that only get themselves.
Exactly. As long as you aren't putting yourself in debt for pursuing your hobbies then go ahead and spend as much money as you have available
@@jollyrob I agree, and I totally get it, just saying there's money & quality in whatever floats people's boats. 👍
Not to mention the resale value of his push bike is not amazing....
I like expensive watches and bikes. Man, I’m in deep hell
My experience with the 4R35/36 movement (I have three) is that they run 7 to 8 seconds per day faster. To me that is more than acceptable for a 300 euro's watch.
Yes, mine too, 10 or 15 per day, Seiko is a very good watchmaker
my two 7s26 movements(snk803 and skx013) run +4-5 seconds per day. My 4r36 bottle cap runs +3-4 seconds per day. Guess I just got lucky. But my alpinist runs around -30 seconds a day but i think its magnetized tbh.
Yes same here. Accuracy really isn't a reason to choose Rolex here...because Seiko does a tremendous job despite the conservative spec!
Pretty low to compare a seiko5 to a Rolex casually though. Obviously the latter is better than an entry-level. With a Prospex it would have been a more fair and interesting comparison.
@Cheesy Helmet even though Rolexes are expensive and sought after by all means, they are not really "for rich people". Obviously certain fanboys will disagree, but collectors with serious cash won't pile up on almost identical Rolexes (GMT Master, Submariner, Yacht Master - yes they all serve different purposes, but it is striking how they are essentially different bezels on the same case), but rather go and get Pateks, APs, VCs, which cost themselves 20x this Rolex.
@@Paulorsadv it should be per month:D i had several seikos - no thank you no more
A Rolex Submariner was my grail watch for many years, with hindsight and having now owned one I think what I really wanted was to be able to afford one. Scratched that itch and now wear a Sinn 556 and enjoy it more.
Absolutely love the Sinn 556! Fantastic just about anything watch. I’ve been meaning to snag one for some time. Just haven’t pulled the trigger yet.
Compare the Orient Kamasu to the Rolex Sub. The Orient has sapphire, screw down crown, 200 meters of water resistant, in house hand wind and hacking movement, all for around £200.
Wearing a Rolex is a statement watch for obvious reasons. Your comment regarding "our own Interpretation of value" is spot on. I cannot justify the expense of several thousand dollars for a watch. Can I afford one? Yes. Give me a Tag. Been wearing them for years, even a quartz and I love their divers. I own a few, have never had one fail, and I love the look. Cheers. Jeff/Boston
Tag? Oh.......
@@Yorkiepoocharlie Yep, they are great watches for their price point
@@mattarmson8324 I agree with this. I own both a Rolex and a Tag and I see nothing wrong with Tag at all.
@@Yorkiepoocharlie I have a collection worth around $250K with watches from Lange, Patek, Moser, Panerai, JLC, UN, Omega and Bulgari. What's my favourite daily - TAG Carrera. What's my favourite vintage watch - TAG S/el. Good looking but not too flashy, reliable, accurate, and undoubtedly the best value out of all the watches I own.
@@planetdee3587 I have a TAG as well in my collection and it's one of my favorite watches. It's durable, accurate, and looks good. It has just become "cool" to hate on TAG which is great because those of us that know better can get great deals on them.
I love when watch experts justify the price of a luxury watch because of the sapphire crystal. My Orient and Phoibus both have sapphire crystal yet cost around $300 combined
Yeah man, you can get a $100 Pagani design watch with a sapphire crystal.
This does beg the question as to why Seiko won't install them in their entry-level pieces.
You can buy a third party sapphire and modify any watch 😂
Rumor has it that even MVMT watches are superior to Rolex ;)
I'd sell my Daytona to get a mvmt watch. They are on a level with ap and patek.... At least alpha m told me so
Adrian, once again spot on! A great start point for any discussion on watches.
For those who have $10K and can afford to drop that $10K on a watch, and want a Rolex, they should spend the money.
For those of us among the hoi polloi, there are dozens of great watches out there for well under $1K.
And to catch that train, a quartz watch is always the right answer. It is t going to start any conversations, but a quartz watch delivers - until the battery runs out. 😱
It is just a watch after all.
You’re 100% correct on all points and it’s no different to someone buying a top of the range Mobile Phone or a BMW / Mercedes car; when for a lot less money you could buy a cheaper Android Phone or a Kia / Hyundai car. Is the Rolex better than a Seiko ‘YES’ is it worth the extra......? that’s a personal choice, just like when buying anything be that a Phones, a Car or everyday Food.....
Good point, of course its better! But is it 25 times better? I commented above to Adrian that it would have been better if the comparison was with a better model Seiko.. there are models with 200m and screw down crowns and + or - 5 seconds a day for around 500 euros which would have been a more fair comparison. Love the content always though :-)
@@darrenaquilina1403 That's the cost of luxury. Your average Toyota does everything a car needs to do fairly decently, wont cost you much to maintain, will never break down and will retain good value. Yet rich people buy Rolls Royces which lose 30% value the second they're on the road and cost a small fortune to maintain. Why? Luxury.
@@lool12366 Buddy Rolex is not a Luxury watch... very far from that. Its just an overpriced mass produced watch. Rolls Royce is comparable to A Lange & Sohne.. not Rolex. ;-) Rolex is at most a BMW which is mass produced.
@@darrenaquilina1403 You are right and wrong at the same time. Rolex is of course a mass produced watch, if you compare it to other high tier watch brands. But at the same time it is also a luxury product. One fact doesn’t exclude the other. And, if you would need to compare it to a car brand, than it is definitely the Mercedes of the watches.
@@Rabauke2.0 Mercedes and BMW are on the same level so we agree :-)
I had a really fun time with a Seiko 5 about a week ago. I bought my friend a LNIB Seiko SRPE61 to replace a watch his previous girlfriend had bought him. He's not necessarily an enthusiast so a Seiko 5 was a great choice. The SRPE61 is the gray dial with light sunburst effect, smooth bezel, and comes on a gray nato. I had it shipped to me before I sent it to him because I wanted to try it on and also put a letter in the box for him. First, I am totally on board with the gray nato's now, holy cow did it look excellent on this watch. Second, the gray sunburst dial was very impressive for the price point! It had much more sunburst effect than I was expecting and that made me glance down at the watch quite often because of all the dial variation. I've never owned one of the Seiko 5's with the mainstream SKX/SRPD/SRPE case shape because on the website it never appealed to me. But on the wrist, and especially with the smooth bezel, this case shape is really pleasing. I ended up wearing it for the weekend before I sent it to him. It looked great in almost anything I wore. I feel like you could even pass this with a suit if you put it on a different band. I even took it skating one evening and I think it looked pretty badass with black jeans and vans. Really nice watch for the price, if you're thinking about getting one you should.
Thank sou for this comment :)
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Great, balanced discussion. I personally prefer the $1000-2000 CAD price range, as I find the balance between cost and finishing is perfect. I wear Damasko, Hamilton, and Christopher Ward, because to me they represent the best value in automatic watches.
agreed... going north of 1k the value proposition begins to dip very quickly
Agreed. I tap out at $2,000. And honestly $1,000 because it just isn’t justified to me. If I really want an iconic dive watch, I’ll get a Tudor Blackbay. Or Seiko 62mas. Those will get watch nerds talking to me instead of people who don’t know watches and only recognize Rolex.
I bought the green Seiko 5 to play with, I got one in the Jan sales for £160 then did a few Seiko mods. Was great fun learning the basics. The watch looks even better now with a nicer bezel, AR crystal and Mercedes hands. I call my mod "The Sulk".
Great vidro as always, Adrian. Cheers
Sulk lol 😂
Anything more than a casio f91w is ott in practical terms, but we're only here once & the heart wants, as long as something makes us happy it doesn't matter if its £100 or £10000. 👍🏻
Actually owning f91w is also ott as bow every has a smartphone from which you can tell time
When i bought something, I wish to use it at its full, unfortunately with Rolex you cannot do it. Here where I Iive you need insurance, safe box, leave it on pocket all times until you arrive, don't go to work with, use only very specific places and times. This is not enjoy, it is paranoia.
You don't have to live in a hell hole.
Or be a pu$$y.
The safest place my Rolex can be, is my arm.
Wear the damn thing. Own it. Don't let the fear own you.
@@brandonnickerson8934 here in Brazil wearing a Rolex anywhere could cost your life...
Come to Chicago, South Side.
If wearing a watch can cost you the life, obviously, it's time to start thinking on moving somewhere else
Just picked up that exact Seiko for £159. It’s running +7s pd and I’m very happy with it.
Regarding the accuracy, you can just regulate it to +2 or 3 seconds per day on the nh35.
Yeah but only if you know what you are doing and 99.9% of people don't.
@@thetruth495 99.9% is just exaggerating. You don't have to do it yourself if you're afraid although it's not hard, just fetch it to a local watchmaker for a quick regulation and it'll only cost very cheap.
The seiko is not a dive watch - it’s a watch that has a dive watch design - and that’s too bad especially when compared to the previous SKX...
I hope seiko will launch again a run of true affordable divers for 200£ !
Thanks for the vid ! Cheers man
Go with ISLANDER.
@@pedrosaenz2800 Yes - very good alternative ! (I already have an skx013 :)
Let's get real. No one buying a rolex is deep diving with it
@@AcidicDelusion I got my Submariner for surfing. Used it for decades. Nowadays that Sub is totally restored and Casio, Phoibos and Islander are My surfing partners!! No diving... Surfing
Orient is the new Seiko I think. Seiko seems to be trying to go upmarket while Epson seems to be keeping Orient more affordable.
I sold my skx 009 for double what I bought it for. That's watches as an investment right there. A sapphire Crystal is maybe a £40 upgrade and you could get the movement adjusted so it runs more accurately. I agree on many points but other distinctions you make are easily fixable.
It is refreshing that just by making the comparison of a Seiko SRPD with a Rolex you are granting this beautiful unexpensive watch an incredible value and desirability....congrats to Seiko and obviously to you.
I’ve found my sweet spot to be around 2-4K for a watch. Omega, Oris, Tudor, Grand Seiko, etc. have quality dive watches near or on Rolex’s level for a price closer to the Reasonable side of the spectrum (for me).
Great video Adrian 👏🏽
Agreed, I recently picked up a Tudor Bronze Bay and I'm absolutely blown away by it!
I do agree with you. Even with 1000 you can start with Hamilton
That’s the whole reason I decided to go with the Omega Seamaster 300. So much mir value for the price.... and you don’t have to wait years for them.
@@ticktalk8055 Seamaster 300 is a great watch. The new one I like even better, very cool with a lollipop hand, revised case, and the sandwich dial.👌🏼
You can't really get any of those guys for 2 to 4k. I don't know how you're getting them for that price. Seiko Presage is around the range. And some old and beat up used Omega and Orises.
Really enjoy when you explore questions like this, thoughtful and interesting!
Can you review a Planet Ocean? Love to get your take on them!
I’m hoping to get hands on with one. 👍🏻
YASSS! I would love this!
Yes Adrian, please do a planet ocean feature
39,5 mm please 😌
I just bought the planet ocean 600m with the 39mm case and rubber strap. I am very happy with mine.
I really cannot find anything to complain about. If you jump on a sailboat 40 ft. Your mate wears the Rolex. You wear the planet ocean and take off around the world. Both watches will perform perfect. The planet ocean is a good watch.
Spot on Adrian. I have watches with price tag ranging from £30 to £5k and I personally love them all . Iv never been able to justify spending thousands on a watch because of time keeping or build quality . There again I can’t really justify spending £30 either, because I already own watches . I can only justify spending money on a watch because I simply like the way it looks
Well said.
People who generally freak out over misaligned bezels might want to avoid minutes 6:52-55.
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Was thinking the same 😂
Now I've seen it I can't un-see it. I'm traumatised.
I did not hear a word Adrian said during those seconds...!😮🤣
I went from the Pepsi version of that Seiko to a BB58 Blue, not quite a Sub but still a huge difference in price.
I didn't really want to let go of the Seiko though but couldn't justify keeping both. Bought it at a discount and sold it for the same price.
Great video as always.
I watched your video wearing my Grand Seiko spring drive diver (SBGA229). I found the Seiko had many, but not all, of the same design elements of my GS. The Seiko is certainly an attractive value proposition for many people without regard to affordability. I do not have the new Sport 5 reference but I do have the Seiko Samurai Great White Shark and it is indeed an amazing value proposition for somebody who prefers not to spend a great deal on watch but who wants something that both looks good with decent overall specifications. Watches are a form of self indulgence with a lot of justification based upon the dual mystique of horological value and horological heritage. Your video provides an interesting reality check. Fine work.
Nailed it with it being a personal decision. Could easily sport a custom Seiko with a sub style case and keep the Submariner in the safe until the weekend and increase in value. Picked up the same Seiko but on the nato late last year as a beater. The vibrant modding community has me eager to swap in a sapphire crystal and change the bezel.
If you want a Rolex, get a Rolex. Don’t settle for less, don’t settle for more. Not a Patek nor Seiko can satisfy that desire.
That's exactly how I came out to my parents.
Unless you want a Patek or a Seiko... in which case buy them instead. Or in my case... a Casio
I settle for more, which is Grand Seiko.
@@ocb05 Cool story bro, I'm sure your family is proud
@@ocb05 As long as it comes on a leather strap. 👍
Great comparison! Always like watching these. A Datejust VS The Seiko Sarb035 would be a very interesting one to do next and they would be a tad closer in quality of finishing.
we are much more lucky in Asia as the cost of servicing Seiko is much more lower compare to other country. Both are great and appeal to different level of people perceive value. As for accuracy, a good regulate done on Seiko will also able to reach a good accuracy.
I have both and the Islander, a version of the SKX supplied by Long Island watches, is a dayly beater. Both are great but Islander 02 on a Crafter blue Rubber strap is what I wear.😎🤔
Perfect way to start my Sunday morning.
Coffee, French toast & eggs, watches 👌🏻
Great video as always. I agree with everything you said! I own 2 submariners myself. A 5-digit from my birthyear and a 116610ln. They're not worth the price. Only because of the way they hold value/increases in value on the 2nd hand grey market. But if you took a loss on buying Rolex retail (e.g. Submariners) they would not be cost efficient or value for money whatsoever and I could then NEVER justify buying one.
Absolutely love the way many Rolex models looks. The Explorer 1 & 2, the Sub, Gmt and Daytona in particular. But I am very critical to the brands (Rolex) way of doing business. There is no transparancy, and then there is the "waiting lists" and the grey market situation. It's shady on so many levels. But the watches i absolutely adore. It's the people in charge of Rolex that I have a problem with.
Thanks for the excellent macro shots of the Seiko. Really interesting well thought out comparison.
Interestingly enough, during Diving School - they would equip us with diving computers. People who buy "Dive" watches, might not necessarily be divers or even go swimming with it. The heart wants what it wants, the term "Dress watch", "Beater watch", "Military watch", "Pilot watch", "Dive watch", "Sports watch", list could go on - YOU decide what you like, and it dictates your style. If you can own it, own it. If you like wearing it, wear it. Just know the reasons, if you wish to please others or yourself? Whether that's a Rolex or a Seiko...or a Lange, it's personal joy. Just like listening to a splendid piece of music or reading poetry, it's about what makes us happy as individuals.
You are wrong if you buy a diver's watch is because you dive, and if you buy a Moonwatch is because you plan to go to the Moon 😜.
@@japd7897 Haha, just like I only wear my Reverso when I play Polo.
Should also compare the SPB143 as well.
I was on a waiting list for a bb 58 and since i got my spb147, i don’t want the Tudor anymore ...
I’m brand new to the watch game and Im considering the Seiko 5 as my first purchase. Although having a Rolex one day would be nice this video further comforted me about the upcoming inaugural purchase. Thanks
Can't agree more on the screw down crow & time keeping. Although, I don't think I've ever caught a train relying on my watch ;). Fantastic video as always babes! OMG I wish I wasn't such a Rolex gal, but I am. Absolutely love the sub, love the way it looks, love the way it sits on the wrist.
Me too. I’m just a sucker for Rolex’s vanilla design.
Wow man this was such a incredible video and I enjoyed it a lot! Might have to buy a seiko I like it alot!
Would be interesting in seeing something like this but comparing a Rolex against a similar spec'd watch with an ETA regulated to COSC standards, and sapphire glass. Now that would certainly be an interesting comparison in terms of diminishing returns.
That video would answer a question that we all already know the answer to.
I love your channel… I am a watch enthusiast in the low to mid range cost category as far as watch collecting goes. I have a couple examples of ‘luxury’ ...I have upwards of 30 to 40 at all times of what many would refer to as cheap/beater/throwaways...I love this piece/video...It is honest/forthright and in many ways exposes the weaknesses of watching collecting...Thanks for the great piece!
PS… The new Zenith it’s not a homage of the Daytona😉
Great video and topic. I feel like the community is so divided on this topic. At the end of the day buy what you like and can afford, don’t let anyone make you feel less for what watch you own. Remember that you make the watch and not the other way around. Take care Adrian and keep up the awesome content ❤️
Miguel
I just bought a Seiko 5 (SNK357) for $90 and I still feel guilty 😂
Great watch. I have 2 Seikos. They look lovely, and useful, in places where it may get banged about.
Best of luck with that 7s26 movement. Never worked properly for me, waste of money.
Enjoy it , so long as it doesn't get magnetised (an Ebay demagnetiser sorts that out for next to nothing) they just go on and on. I have a few and they have all been great.
The Pelagos:
cheaper than a sub, tougher than the Seiko 5
Available at an AD, tight QAQC tolerances
It's the luxury beater tool watch with history and purpose built design.
The Pelagos and SeaDweller is a better comparison.
a better comparison would be smp 300 vs the sub, watch n co has a video on it too
I'm not advocating for a comparison but instead suggesting a watch that satisfies many of the advantages of both tiers of watches compared here. The comparison Adrian shared was suited to the point he was trying to articulate.
Scurfa Diver One - cheaper than the Sub, cheaper than the Seiko... Milsub hands, 500m.
Even though I know you're a Rolex fanboy, it's refreshing to see you appreciate watches across the price spectrum. Makes me love your watch channel even more!
In the end, there's always room for both a Seiko AND a Rolex in the collection ;)
This reminds me of a watch moment I had. Was sitting on the beach at the North Sea, researching end game dives watches (GS, Blaincpain, Glashütte Original, etc.) to buy. Then I looked at the Seiko SKX I was wearing and wondered: Why am I looking for another dive watch? There‘s nothing left to be desired, that this watch does not deliver. So the SKX remains my only diver up to today.
Noticed the rolex minute hand when it was it 10oclock in macro looked rough on the edge. Surely they can do better for that price.
I own a Sub and several Seikos. I think you can love chili dogs and dry-aged, medium rare steaks at the same time without having to pit them against each other.
I will say I rarely worry about my Sub when it’s on the wrist. It’s built like a tank and was made for activity. I mow the lawn with it, take it on hikes and bring it in the water.
You get it.
I think exactly like you. I own a Rolex and a Seiko. I never wear the Seiko.
Hey At last I have a watch that has appeared on the Bark and Jack channel! 🙂 I love mechanical watches and I really enjoy the content and the way you present it Adrian. Entertaining stuff! 👏👏👏👏 We all have our own motivations and reasons for choosing the watches we like and fair play for all that. I can’t afford or would want to wear a watch that was several £1000 pounds. I would not enjoy it because I would be conscious of its worth and would worry about loosing it or scratching it or worse. However I do value a good time piece, that is well, made, durable, accurate and easy to read. I guess a tool watch is right up there as I enjoy the outdoors and my need is for a precision watch I can wear almost anywhere and that will stand up to the rigours of life and occasionally some rigorous activities. My Seiko does this, though does sit a bit proud at 13mm tall. I also have a Victorinox Chronograph - quartz and most recently acquired a Citizen eco drive watch. The later at £80 was a steal! It has a simple clear face and date and does exactly what you need it to - tell the time clearly. You never need a battery and it has 200m water resistance. The strap was c***! But a nato strap fixed that and it is a strap monster! 🙂One reviewer said his only complaint was it did everything he needed so well that he begrudged paying out so much more for other watches that delivered as much but at several more times the price that that really hurt his pride! Don’t get me wrong I love the watches Adrian shares with us, desire them even, but I would want to wear them and use them and they are now way too much for me to go out and buy one. My own solution is a Hamilton Khaki Field watch - 40mm face, champagne dial just discontinued. A Christmas present that I have to wait for. Yep next Christmas! 👀🙄Worth the wait though for a super watch! 😉 Keep giving us your personal view on watches. Fascinating stuff Adrian, but do check out the Citizen eco drive I mentioned. It would be a great promo for Bark and Jack straps! 18mm lug width. Best wishes Peter
My Seiko 'King Samurai' Save The Ocean SRPE33K1 has a 4R35 movement - where the 4R36 has a day/date complication, and the 4R35 has a date - keeps really good time between -5 and +5 seconds a day, which is excellent.
More Seiko, gets some Tunas in!
Yeah exactly mate. Let’s see him put a Tuna up against the Rolex.
"It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up..." - Ferris
Perfect! Great comment!!!
I recently purchased my first Seiko, partly due to the rising cost of getting my other watches serviced. I own a Datejust and an Explorerii, and ironically I am able to get them serviced for less than my Omega Seamaster, Ulysse Nardin or my Oris because parts for the latter are more difficult to obtain. I will probably end up selling them.
Hey Adrian, great vid (as always).
Have you had a chance to handle an Orient Kamasu yet? (Sorry if you did and I missed the vid), I had a green dial one as my daily for the last 6 months and after ditching the ori bracelet I really feel like it gives me pretty much all Id ever need in a watch (unpopular opinion I guess, well ok next on the list is Sinn 356, but Im really not in a rush there). Probably just want to reinforce my smart buy smug, but really curious how It d compare to a Sub instead of the "5kx".
Can’t wait to watch!
I find the Seiko more beautiful than the Rolex, especially looking at the design of the hands and the 5-minute indications on the dial. I have a Seiko 5 myself and it runs at an accuracy of +5 seconds a day. The hardlex crystal holds up very well till now. Maybe it is less scratch resistant, but for one Rolex I can buy 25 Seikos, so if an ugly scratch would appear than I will simply buy a new one.
Interesting comparison. I'd love to see the Sub compared to something like the Seiko SLA037, SPB143, or SLA021 as well. I would say Grand Seiko, but all their similar divers seem to be massive in comparison to the Sub.
Adrian - I remember you didn’t like bronze watches but have you ever seen the Glycine Combat Sub GL0188? This watch is soooo beautiful and only 10 mm thick. Remarkable for a diver. Plus that the Patina makes it really special to me.
It’s not that you should buy a Rolex, it’s because you can buy a Rolex.
Yeah great video!! Would be interested in a similar one comparing the Rolex with the Seiko SPB143. That could be really cruel for Rolex because the Seiko has a cool tool watch factor the Rolex had and has lost.
Yes, a gilt edged investment and a fave with house flippers and speculators .
@@altbinhax the tool watch you’re adraid to scratch because you want to sell it « unworn »
Loved this video! At first I thought it was a bit of an unfair comparison but I later realized it wasn't so much about these two watches specifically. It's very interesting regarding the value of the watches. I've owned several Rolexes but have always had the investment part of my brain hold me back when wearing them, which has always made me sell them. I've also owned more expensive watches than Rolex and these I've had no problem bashing around without a care in the world. Once again a great video!
/Chris
Great video. Gets you thinking. I think depending on the individual the argument is strong either way. You just have to know yourself well enough to make the right decision based on your hierarchy of priorities and see what fits your journey. There are so many ways to part with your money. You've got to make sure these things don't get in the way of your bigger plans whether they are your career, business, timescale to financial freedom, the kids, legacy, net worth etc.
Seiko combines everything - style, price, quality and history
Could you do a review of the Seiko MM300?, Seikos answer to the Submariner👍🏻
Great idea. That’s an awesome watch.
Yeeees, love the marinemaster
Adrian, the new storm grey broad weave is single pass correct! It’s hard to see that on the website and does it have a floating keeper, perhaps you can do a video on some of your new items that you are selling, maybe show us how and which ones to use with certain watches! Thanks.
Really impressed by the lack of bias here. My only question is whether the Seiko would have fared better had it been an SKX rather than the 5KX. Can't imagine any big changes other than the depth rating and cult status.
I have a modded skx007 with sapphire and nh35 that is running less than a -1 second a day. It's the watch i wear everyday.
Tenés link para ver el reloj? :)
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I don't think I could enjoy a rolex in the same way I enjoy my budget watches
True say bro keep up the good work
Love it! a comparsion between srpe vs explorer would be nice too :)
I have this seiko, it's beautiful, you can swim with it (including a water slide) and it's fairly accurate for the price. Left it alone for over a day for the first time and was about 15 seconds off. The offset crown I've fallen in love with and I do wish it was screw down for more security.
This is just becoming ridiculous.
Of cause, a Rolex at that price is not "worth" it, pound per pound. It just isn't.
But that's not where the worth of the item is at. It's in the feeling it gives the owner, whether it's to get the owner to feel he is more than others because he has expensive stuff or the feeling the "nerd" get's by having an item with history, quality, and all the rest of it.
I bought an Oyster Perpetual 39 with a white dial. I really wanted the Rolex. But when I got it, it just felt bla. I had chased the idea of a Rolex, so when I got it, I found out that I don't really need it to be fulfilled.
I ended up selling it, and selling my Tudor BB as well, and kept my Oris Big Crown Pro Pilot and Nomos Ludwig.
Thing is, that often you see people with expensive things like watches, cars or something third, and they try so hard to tell everyone else that yes, it is worth it. It's usually not guys that run around with cheaper stuff that goes around judging.
This tells me that there's a lot of guys out there who have bought something expensive, and they know it's not really with it, but they have to get everyone to agree with them that is ended with it, so they can feel validated in purchasing the item.
So my two cents are. If you want to spend the Rolex money, do it. But do it for you, and don't give an F about other people. And if you end up buying the Oris or Seiko, do it, and don't give rats A what people think. Chances are that in a lifetime, only one, maybe two people will even notice what wristwatch you got on anyways. Too much of that "keeping up with the Joneses going around.
Honestly, being a UA-camr talking about products that are simply jewelry don’t really have much content to talk about other than subjective comparisons of products. It’s just a simple fact, like how can you do a proper review on a piece of jewelry where a lot of it is driven by brand recognition and personal preference. Quite different dynamic than review of technical products like cars or cameras or smartphones.
I don't agree with "..in a lifetime, only one, maybe two people will even notice what wristwatch you got on anyways." I often have people approach me to talk about things I wear. If you are approachable it doesn't matter what you wear, you will get noticed and people will develop interest in how you express yourself whether it be from a watch, clothes, etc. If you are stand offish, for sure, people will continue to not notice and\or avoid you irrespective of what you have on. We are social animals, in fact we depend on it to thrive. It's OK to care about how others may perceive or react to you while maintaining a healthy balance of being true to yourself. In return, you have available your own personal fun stories and ideas for exchange.
@@angelclaudio604 What I wrote is like everything a matter of #notall.
Ussually people I tend to run into, are people who I have more in common with that is outside the physical.
Offcause, if you run in circles where people are into stuff like watches, you might have people noticing. As I said #notall.
It's a bit of a strawman to write "approachability" in my humble opinion.
@@angelclaudio604 it's not about being approachable. You've missed the point.
@@JohDan6969 I get your point - if you want a Rolex buy one - or not, do it for you, don't care about what others think or buy one to as you say for "..keeping up with the Joneses.." I feel it's a fairly common opinion and posted many times to exhaust - but for sure to your defense people usually buy things for the wrong reasons. I'm offering another point to change the perspective which is somewhat in line with yours, yes do things for yourself - but while doing that, it's completely fine to consider, key word consider, how others may react or feel about the way you express yourself through fashion. It's in our nature to care about what others think, and if you feel good about what you are putting out there in the world that may facilitate your interaction, embrace it! My point is your decision in having an item of self expression doesn't have to be determined in absolutes that just center on you.
👍🏻love them both equally
Lol
Awesome simple video which I enjoyed. Thanks Adrian
Thanks Alvin 🙌🏻
Great content as always Adrian! Here's a question I have from watching this and (not specifically related) videos comparing replica watches to genuine Rolexes. Has anyone ever examined 2 gen Rolexes or Tudors, or Omegas side-by-side? I would think that would be just as interesting and enlightening as the "See how different reps are from gens?" videos.
I think is not a good comparation, marinmaster vs submariner would be a little more fair
Decent point, but it’s not supposed to be fair, it’s supposed to be interesting.
@@simonbailey2151 but the problem is he is grabbing one of the cheapest seikos vs one of the medium price rolex, i think a $1k seiko will make his point better
@@MegaMarlon0123 Not necessarily. The whole point was about value, both of the watch and of the watch to the buyer. Having more drastic differences makes this comparison better.
11 minutes of my life I’ll never get back
Great video mate as always, enjoyed it.
My two bobs worth.
Perhaps a comparison with the current Seiko SPB 14X series might have been more relevant?
Considerably more expensive than the Seiko 5 series but still nearly a sixth of the price. Won`t beat the Sub on accuracy but in my experience Seiko with the SPB 14X series seems to give themselves a much bigger tolerance than they actually need or use, my SPB 143 runs at 2/3 SPD as do others I've heard about.
Fit and finish/bezel action not at the Rolex level but again with price considered not that far away In my opinion. Bracelet (not always a Seiko strength) I`ll give you that one, its good for a Seiko but nowhere near the Sub.
Lastly, I think with the Seiko you get to enjoy a great watch with a vintage vibe, great heritage (62 MAS) and something you can wear every day without being worried about dinging or wear around London for example and worry about someone banging you over the head for it!
Please, none of the above considered a criticism, love your channel and what your doing.
Keep up the good work!
Absolutely brilliant video. I own a Breitling Heritage chrono and a Seiko 5. Love them both. I completely get it.
In you spend 6k on a Sub it is definitly not stupid. I mean you just made like 3k+ by spending 6k. It sounds like a scam.
My 2018 sub no date I purchased in 2020 set me back 8k.... Better than having it in the bank.
The point is that practically no one is buying a Sub for 6k!
@@nickturner2813 oh dont we know it....
At the end of the day for 99% of us the main reason is how money we could spend for the watch without our wife make our lives hell :)
Great video and certainly thought provoking. I think the Seiko looked best on your wrist. Take care and stay safe 👍🏼
Hey Adrian. From what you say the window of accuracy on the Seiko is horrendous. In practice from what I have seen is that the accuracy is more like plus or minus 10 seconds a day. The only explanation that I can give for their spec is that temperature (or position) must be a big factor in their measuring.
This is a pretty useless comparison a much more Relevant comparison would be comparing Rolex to omega, JLC Aand similar watch brands, which probably cost half or less than Rolex and provide a much better value.
It’s not useless at all. It’s about comparing two different philosophies....the point of the video was not to find a better alternative but simply compare and see the advances and disadvantages of both models.
Perhaps you, and the 4 people who liked your comment, ought to watch the video before commenting? :)
The main sticking point for me is movement accuracy- with cheap autos, I find I’m always checking a digital clock and seeing how inaccurate they’re becoming
The Seiko NH36 is pretty damn accurate
@@impatrickt -45 to +35?? No thank you
@@britannia2129 I have 20+ watches and can barely even tell analog time. I have a phone.
Another brilliant video Adrian 👍 Love the videos like this that are informative and get the mind thinking 👌
Hi, what are your thoughts on the Seiko SLA037j1?