So you guys broke the law several years ???it was felony in China?? .. I am anti China blogger, Winnie the Pooh let you go many years and now you as a criminal in China complain??? .. Winnie Dumbo laughs..
What a thick skin you two . Particularly Laowhy He as a expat living in China many years broke law and habitually driving his motorcycle on the road which was illegal and with fake British man and openly broadcast China ? And now he says he escaped from China? I am also anti Winnie . But I don't believe him Chinese police showed color code list of foreingers and he saw it? He heard they talked about you in the hall? "And you escaped from China?? You didn't have a four year degree " And you taught English in China? And now you say about Chinese Scam? .. Come-on! Despiseful.
Thank you for sharing this true and creepy story, both of you! To: Prozzie, I'm so glad that we have the kind of youtuber like you in Taiwan. I sincerely hope your life here will be more joyful. Cheers!👍
I studied in China for a year, met so many international friends who I still keep in contact with today. Now, I live in Taiwan, and occasionally I hear my old friends that I met in China talk about how they want to return, and I just cannot fathom the idea. After being in Taiwan, I just could never resubmit myself to the uncertainty of living in China, even as just a random nobody just living life. Things are so much more secure and stable here in Taiwan.
I was born in Macau, a Chinese SAR similars to Hong Kong but used to rule by the Portuguese instead of the British. I now live in US and haunt by homesick every once in a while, but I can't really risk going back because of how often I bad-wording against the CCP. I can't go back peacefully until Xi is down or better, CCP is down.
Hi Prozzie，抱歉，我沒信心用英文書寫能讓你理解我的想法，所以我還是寫中文。 很高興你（逃離後）選擇來台灣並從事UA-camr。我很喜歡欣賞你的影片風格和講述事情的方式，例如：不刻意修飾用詞和很真實邊喝酒邊拍片我也很喜歡。台灣應該很能接受外國朋友做自己，所以希望你維持風格並帶給我們更多不同角度的談話內容和影片。 謝謝你，歡迎你來台灣。
I hope the ADVChina audience gets a link to this video. A story that must be watched for anyone following these guys. PROZZIE!!! The Curly to Moe and Larry
Wow. That was a scary story. My husband was born in Hong Kong and moved to Canada at 19 for school. He never went back. We were planning on retiring in HK in 2014 but decided to come here to Cozumel, Mexico instead. With all that is happening now...I'm glad we didn't go to HK. We miss the food and I asked him if he'd consider moving to Taiwan and he said "no". It's going to be another HK very soon. So sad.
As long you don't talk about politics and act like that normal tourist that eats and sightseeing, you should be fine. But you would be monitored with all that CCTV they've got.
Wes, it is never the same. I visit as a tourist with my family in China during the 80's, live work in China 2012 for 3 1/2 years. They are two different world for two different timing. Some citizens are naive some are very tricky and hostile, so from my experiences you would stand out too much of an attention. Wait till CCP are gone or visit some ASEAN(South Asian countries) to know more about Chinese people living there for some fair points(still got to watch out the spies). Be safe man!
Love you! Thank you for sharing the story. I don't blame you as I much older than your guys was once naive about ccp. Now just look what happened in Hong Kong.
It's been interesting seeing everything that happened the past few years from a viewer's perspective. Especially when everyone was starting to leave China, we were just kind of left to speculate.
But Chen Qiushi was expecting to get arrested. Everyone knew he was going to get arrested. He was openly attacking the CCP. Of course he should not get arrested just for telling the truth but its kind of crazy that laowhy's videos were mostly positive or at the worst neutral about china, yet he still got targeted. Living in China is a danger, no matter who you are. Most people just don't realise it.
Great vid. My Taiwan school sent me to Xiamen China and with in a few months six cops roll into the school and start interviewing me. Luckily, my Taiwan boss was there and I was like . . . bye, China. Back home to Taiwan. I also got arrested in Taiwan, but not my fault. I actually ended up in a cell in my underware with a bunch of Philipino guys. Good story. Life long friends.
@@oliverpicken3320 Still a very uncomfortable experience. When the police did a "routine" check on me at my home in Shanghai I did not like it at all. Can you imagine something like that happening in a Western country? No chance.
My first day in China, the police visited and told us not to talk about anything political. I think in their way of thinking, they were being helpful. It was still super creepy.
這次對談的影片應該能繼續延伸成中共版的 #X檔案 系列，揭發中南海那些不能見光的駭人內幕 This video could be Episode 1 of a "The Creepy Secrets behind China " series just like "The X-Files" series. The more you think about Chinese Communist Party, the more scared you get----such a terrifying regime! #細思極恐
For future videos where you skype with CMilk do you think you could somehow edit it to look like you two are at some blue collared Chinese restaurant? I'd get a chuckle and it would harken back to the days where you two were together. Best!
Prozzie In fact, I believed we as audiences of this channel don’t mind a 45 min chat. At least for me that is the main value of your video offered me. I really like to listen to you guys chatting just like a podcast.
Nothing went wrong, nobody has ever showed what life is really like in mainland China and what made it epic and impossible to ever duplicate is the perfect cast involved. You guys are fantastic, words can’t express how so much information was laid out about China plus you made the series fun and exciting. Don’t know if you’ll ever have anything close to your story but it’ll definitely live on for years, no one can ever match that series, sorry to sound so excitable but really you can retire on this(please don’t)
Wow... this was deep. If I hadn't been following Winston & Matt for so long, I probably wouldn't have believed most of this. I remember vividly the issues they had during Conquering Northern China, as I also contributed to their kickstart and had behind the scenes info via Winston usually. Truly scary moments. Excellent video Proz. #KeepYourStickOnTheIce
So glad you all were able to get safe. Cool to see you guys together again. A thought, why dont you guys periodically do videos about food again only on video American version vs Taiwanese version if there are foods you can find in both places? Just a random thought.
Another apparent inconsistency is that in C-Milk's vid Vivi tells him to get the hell out of there. In this version C-Milk runs off without telling her what he is doing and she has to ring Prozzie to find out where her husband is.
I'd say most definitely they are. That's sort of the thing of building the most advanced surveillance program in the world, which China is doing atm. Everyone that has/had any form of interaction with China most likely have a file somewhere. Hell I'm pretty sure I have a file there, despite not actually having been to Mainland China. (Depending on your definition of what mainland is these days). People from old East Germany were shocked to find out what the government stored about them in the Stasi-archives after the wall fell down. Now we're decades down the line with all the technology advancements. I'd say it's time to stop being too naive about how far a authoritarian regime is able/willing to go.
Prozzie can you go visit them in California? Then we can have a Taiwan vs. Cali video. I've often heard that topic from my Taiwanese friends in the UK. Apparently many Taiwanese will still choose Taiwan (over Silicon Valley) despite the lower salary.
Okay so 1 time at the beginning of the video and 1 time during the actual ad .. but if you count cutting away to footage from nordvpn, I guess it could be considered 4 separate times during the ad ... in which case it would be a total of 5? Anyway doesn't matter, don't really have anything worth being read other than keep up the good work, congratulations on how far you've come (been watching you since you the beginning), and hope to run into you someday if I ever make it back to Taiwan.
About your experience in HK immigration at 11:00 in the video, I think I can give you a clue. I have learnt from some secret way that the officers who check your passport sometimes think referring all suspicious cases to duty office is troublesome if you go through the immigration check by car instead of inside the immigration hall. Their senior officers may not like that either. Of course I will never which cases must be referred or not for I am not their staff. But at least I can sure that, even you come Hong Kong through the immigration hall that time, they may just detain you for a while, just like your previous experience.
Young me with such knowledgeable about and real life in the new closed China. I did business in China for over 30 year and I’m now out of China too. My wife and I now spend our time in MONTANA on a mountain in the summer and Gold Coast in the winter. China has changed in the last few years- peace out.
Wow. Glad you and your friend got out of China safely. BTW, some of the chinese subtitles are very different from what was spoken and somewhat incomprehensible.
Arghh, you trickster! I had my superconducting processor (pen & paper) ready to count the logos, but you just made us watch the whole 10 minutes when otherwise we would only listen and open a new tab to browse HK news.. But we must stay prozzitive!
I don't think he's ever explained what exactly made him bug out. I just checked a bunch of his older vids to see if I just missed it, but haven't found anything.
The unfortunate thing for Matt and Winston is they both started to push the envelope exactly at the time when what was considered acceptable for foreigners to be seen to be doing started rapidly shrinking. I don't think they would have been sent to prison or anything like that and I find it a little hyperbolic when they say that would have definitely been the case. It was a crazy enough situation, there's no need to mythologise it further. However, they definitely would have found themselves in a situation where they would have been detained for X period and then told, "Stop and shut up or leave." They wouldn't have been able to do what they were doing, that's for certain. Then, once your friend left, there wasn't much reason to stay. Would anything have happened to you? Doubtful, but the issue is when you're there and you're in that environment there is a level of paranoia you just can't explain. Sidenote: I must be blind because I didn't see one of those Nord VPN logos. The service has become pretty poor in China. To use it you have to download an OpenVPN workaround to get onto the Nord servers. When they work, those connections are very reliable but that only works for laptops. I never got it to work on my phone.
I don't think prison necessarily was in the cards for them, but I think at a certain point they'd probably have to pay fines, get their visas revoked, and/or make public apologies on UA-cam about "offending the Chinese people" or something to that effect, with of course more harassment and monitoring forever until the day they die if they remained there. Prozzie at least was honest and said "Hey, if I stayed in China for another year I'd probably be fine." I think a difference is while they could potentially legally arrest foreigners for whatever, it could create diplomatic issues and bad publicity, so it's much easier to harass subtly or not, and just make it unpleasant for foreigners they don't like to continue to be there, so they just leave. Honestly they probably don't want to say it, but they likely had something like "gang stalking" going on to them in China.
They may be detained. You can be detained without charge in China. The fact that C-Milk is an American made it worse. He may be used as a bargaining chip by China in dealing with the US government.
Support from Hong Kong Pretty sure now CCP is trying to make HK like Mainland, everyone is on their watch which is upsetting Anyway, glad that you left and now living happily and FREELY in Taiwan
Thanks for telling us. I am from HK and we know Chinese government is ugly but not that detailed, like how you were stalked. Taiwan is really a good place. I just hope Taiwan wont be taken by China in future.
Didn't C-Milk stay in Hong Kong for a couple days while he worked things out? Not straight to the Airport? That's what his vid said (if I remember correctly)
Another apparent inconsistency is that in C-Milk's vid Vivi tells him to get the hell out of there. In this version C-Milk runs off without telling her what he is doing and she has to ring Prozzie to find out where her husband is.
Prozzie, be the third leg supporting China info by being the Taiwan correspondent! The ADV guys should have you report on Taiwan affairs. Post weekly vids and you could get in on some of the Patreon success Winston and Matt have. Peace, I've been following you guys for years.
what? I don't know anything about Inner Mongolia. There's been so much focus on Xinjiang, Tibet, flooding, etc. that I didn't even think that there could be yet another issue going on. How much money is the CCP and the PLA spending to suppress these people and issues?
Sign up with Nord VPN today: nordvpn.com/prozzie
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What a fast running.
So you guys broke the law several years ???it was felony in China??
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I am anti China blogger, Winnie the Pooh let you go many years and now you as a criminal in China complain???
..
Winnie Dumbo laughs..
Nordvpn blows. Horrible service and very unreliable in China..
What a thick skin you two .
Particularly Laowhy
He as a expat living in China many years
broke law and habitually driving his motorcycle on the road which was illegal and with fake British man and openly broadcast China ?
And now he says he escaped from China?
I am also anti Winnie .
But I don't believe him
Chinese police showed color code list of foreingers and he saw it?
He heard they talked about you in the hall?
"And you escaped from China??
You didn't have a four year degree "
And you taught English in China?
And now you say about Chinese Scam?
..
Come-on!
Despiseful.
Color coded spies??
Small fry prozzie..
Haha 😹
Thank you for sharing this true and creepy story, both of you!
To: Prozzie,
I'm so glad that we have the kind of youtuber like you in Taiwan. I sincerely hope your life here will be more joyful.
Cheers!👍
Prozzie has a more normal and chill life in Taiwan. Lol
Is he safe in Taiwan? Don’t the Chinese control it? Can’t they come and get him?
Not a chow ba duo video Prozzie!
8:10 的翻譯錯了。writing on the wall不能直接翻譯成寫在牆上，這個英語的俗語。意思是：不好的兆頭，or壞事的開頭
I studied in China for a year, met so many international friends who I still keep in contact with today. Now, I live in Taiwan, and occasionally I hear my old friends that I met in China talk about how they want to return, and I just cannot fathom the idea. After being in Taiwan, I just could never resubmit myself to the uncertainty of living in China, even as just a random nobody just living life. Things are so much more secure and stable here in Taiwan.
Agree.
So you have your choice. China doesn't beg you to stay
Totally agree with you 👍👍👍
@@alvinca647 no free thinking person wants to live in mainland China.
I was born in Macau, a Chinese SAR similars to Hong Kong but used to rule by the Portuguese instead of the British. I now live in US and haunt by homesick every once in a while, but I can't really risk going back because of how often I bad-wording against the CCP. I can't go back peacefully until Xi is down or better, CCP is down.
C-Milk and Prozzie again!!! The dynamic duo is back. More videos with him! We love Allen just as much though 😂
Hi Prozzie，抱歉，我沒信心用英文書寫能讓你理解我的想法，所以我還是寫中文。
很高興你（逃離後）選擇來台灣並從事UA-camr。我很喜歡欣賞你的影片風格和講述事情的方式，例如：不刻意修飾用詞和很真實邊喝酒邊拍片我也很喜歡。台灣應該很能接受外國朋友做自己，所以希望你維持風格並帶給我們更多不同角度的談話內容和影片。
謝謝你，歡迎你來台灣。
帥倫說過 :我無法待在不民主的國家！無法想像！
原來細節這麼精彩，這也可以拍成電影🎬，希望一切平安一直開心🥳
I hope the ADVChina audience gets a link to this video. A story that must be watched for anyone following these guys.
PROZZIE!!! The Curly to Moe and Larry
Its so weird watching y'all from 2014 till now to have watched this progression in real time
Wow. That was a scary story. My husband was born in Hong Kong and moved to Canada at 19 for school. He never went back. We were planning on retiring in HK in 2014 but decided to come here to Cozumel, Mexico instead. With all that is happening now...I'm glad we didn't go to HK. We miss the food and I asked him if he'd consider moving to Taiwan and he said "no". It's going to be another HK very soon. So sad.
hay yell. noooo...
Taiwan will not be another HK .
2020年最大的笑話：中國很安全
Dang that’s scary stuff. I really want to visit China for the country and the people ....but all that other stuff. Yikes!
🤞🏼
As long you don't talk about politics and act like that normal tourist that eats and sightseeing, you should be fine. But you would be monitored with all that CCTV they've got.
Wes, it is never the same. I visit as a tourist with my family in China during the 80's, live work in China 2012 for 3 1/2 years. They are two different world for two different timing. Some citizens are naive some are very tricky and hostile, so from my experiences you would stand out too much of an attention. Wait till CCP are gone or visit some ASEAN(South Asian countries) to know more about Chinese people living there for some fair points(still got to watch out the spies). Be safe man!
Love you! Thank you for sharing the story. I don't blame you as I much older than your guys was once naive about ccp. Now just look what happened in Hong Kong.
Thank you for sharing ! Best wish to you both, blessings from HK!
這集好精彩 希望有下集^ ^
It sounds like what North Korean government does to their visitors.
你不做间谍谁管你？
Great to see you and C Milk together again and hear your escape stories.
This experience is freaking scary... I am glad you both got out safely.
其實你們當時確實很危險！
因為中國對讓他們覺得有問題的人是不需要證據！只要他們「覺得」你是對政權的穩定有問題就抓捕！
被抓進去後，他們會用很多非人道的手法讓你認罪！即使你什麼都沒做！
i wanna fix C-Milks glasses so badly xD
Tony Toronto me too!
Oculus Reparo!!
Was looking for a comment like this... xD
Appreciate your old collaboration videos about China guys. Miss them so much. Wish you all happy in Taiwan and LA.
This is very informative video. Thanks to both of you for coming forward.
It's been interesting seeing everything that happened the past few years from a viewer's perspective. Especially when everyone was starting to leave China, we were just kind of left to speculate.
為你們感到慶幸,還好你們剛好敏感的發現有危機,不然真的不知道你們會遇到什麼事情............😱
I was thinking, by Prozzie's face, he's been pounding the pints recently and then a beer pops up.
Bit harsh. He looks pretty fine to me.
Yeah, the liver is going to heck in a hand basket
He looks grand, what's the problem?
@@ruthpower556 I think because his face was red.
Yeh, prozzie has looked better.
看看中國的一位公民記者 陳秋實，只因為跑去武漢實地報導，之後就被抓走了 至今都下落不明
sad :(
But Chen Qiushi was expecting to get arrested. Everyone knew he was going to get arrested. He was openly attacking the CCP. Of course he should not get arrested just for telling the truth but its kind of crazy that laowhy's videos were mostly positive or at the worst neutral about china, yet he still got targeted. Living in China is a danger, no matter who you are. Most people just don't realise it.
@@roberthardy5171 中國是一個沒有言論自由，說實話是有罪的國度
真慘! 在台灣也不能批評民進黨， 彰化就是一個很好的例子，我擔心老葉可能會被消失
Lee Richard 嘿！不能反對民進黨？老葉會消失？我希望你能對自己說的話能負責。台灣電視報紙媒體，甚至團體都發表很多不同意見，連黃安這種都沒事的台灣，你說誰會因為民進黨消失？台灣媒體罵政府的一堆，哪個人消失？？😒🤔
中國要推行動支付，其一原因就是要掌握每個韭菜
Great vid. My Taiwan school sent me to Xiamen China and with in a few months six cops roll into the school and start interviewing me. Luckily, my Taiwan boss was there and I was like . . . bye, China. Back home to Taiwan. I also got arrested in Taiwan, but not my fault. I actually ended up in a cell in my underware with a bunch of Philipino guys. Good story. Life long friends.
Why did the police interview you in Xiamen?
@@oliverpicken3320 Still a very uncomfortable experience. When the police did a "routine" check on me at my home in Shanghai I did not like it at all. Can you imagine something like that happening in a Western country? No chance.
My first day in China, the police visited and told us not to talk about anything political. I think in their way of thinking, they were being helpful. It was still super creepy.
Fusion It would also make their jobs easier.
I’m actually shocked... sorry to hear that you guys had a bad experience in China.
Sad situation in China/HK. Glad you guys got out in time.
或許可以談談前後二地生活、工作、大環境、法規限制等對比的優缺點。
這次對談的影片應該能繼續延伸成中共版的 #X檔案 系列，揭發中南海那些不能見光的駭人內幕
This video could be Episode 1 of a "The Creepy Secrets behind China " series just like "The X-Files" series.
The more you think about Chinese Communist Party, the more scared you get----such a terrifying regime!
#細思極恐
其實還有更可怕的他們應該還沒講。只能說極權國家是人類社會上最恐怖及最大的敵人
@@arainsley627 讓我想到 Stopkiddingstudio這支【為何中國富婆要逼義國攝影師搬來台灣】Italian Photographer's Fate
ua-cam.com/video/9MOGwB6E5to/v-deo.html
爱泼斯坦
For future videos where you skype with CMilk do you think you could somehow edit it to look like you two are at some blue collared Chinese restaurant? I'd get a chuckle and it would harken back to the days where you two were together.
Best!
In Taiwan 🇹🇼.Good idea👍👍👍
Are you guys letting Americans in?
Is it me? This story is almost impossible to follow. I assume some details are left out for security purposes.
C-Milk explained it very well on his channel. Yeah this one was very confusing. It fills in one thing that was left out in c-milks video.
sorrrry. We filmed for like 45 minutes and I had to cut a bunch down or you guys would still be watching
Ok cool. I need to go back and rewatch his now. If you add a roof top fight in Hong Kong with security I would watch the movie on this.
Prozzie In fact, I believed we as audiences of this channel don’t mind a 45 min chat. At least for me that is the main value of your video offered me. I really like to listen to you guys chatting just like a podcast.
Professor Mike AmericanuckRadio haven’t been to Algonquin in years but it’d be fun to go back
Nothing went wrong, nobody has ever showed what life is really like in mainland China and what made it epic and impossible to ever duplicate is the perfect cast involved. You guys are fantastic, words can’t express how so much information was laid out about China plus you made the series fun and exciting.
Don’t know if you’ll ever have anything close to your story but it’ll definitely live on for years, no one can ever match that series, sorry to sound so excitable but really you can retire on this(please don’t)
Good morning #Prozzi! At least it's morning my time 😁
When are you coming back stateside for a visit doll?
Love seeing you guys together.
Wow... this was deep. If I hadn't been following Winston & Matt for so long, I probably wouldn't have believed most of this. I remember vividly the issues they had during Conquering Northern China, as I also contributed to their kickstart and had behind the scenes info via Winston usually. Truly scary moments. Excellent video Proz. #KeepYourStickOnTheIce
After listening ur story in China. I am so~ glad you are in TAIWAN now. 😰
身為台灣人我本身有立場，
所以很少會發表自己的看法，
畢竟其他人可能覺得我講的不公正，
但是我支持說出真相的人。
所以两个老外跑到边境去拍拍拍，不该引起怀疑吗
@@alvinca647 活該你被中共統治
OMG! 雖然不意外，但聽了還是覺得很恐怖😱
精彩的故事讓我想到以前看過的老片 Red Corner
So glad you all were able to get safe. Cool to see you guys together again. A thought, why dont you guys periodically do videos about food again only on video American version vs Taiwanese version if there are foods you can find in both places? Just a random thought.
Another apparent inconsistency is that in C-Milk's vid Vivi tells him to get the hell out of there. In this version C-Milk runs off without telling her what he is doing and she has to ring Prozzie to find out where her husband is.
That's not an inconsistency. You're just missing some of the information.
@@eodyn7 I said apparent inconsistency
Know what's weird? I think China is _still_ keeping tabs on me, years after I left...
I'd say most definitely they are.
That's sort of the thing of building the most advanced surveillance program in the world, which China is doing atm.
Everyone that has/had any form of interaction with China most likely have a file somewhere.
Hell I'm pretty sure I have a file there, despite not actually having been to Mainland China.
(Depending on your definition of what mainland is these days).
People from old East Germany were shocked to find out what the government stored about them in the Stasi-archives after the wall fell down.
Now we're decades down the line with all the technology advancements.
I'd say it's time to stop being too naive about how far a authoritarian regime is able/willing to go.
They probably are, but as long as you don't go back to China you shouldn't worry too much about it.
Well... kind of what I guessed. Not 100% but close. I just hope all of you are happy and safe. Thanks for sharing.
Prozzie can you go visit them in California?
Then we can have a Taiwan vs. Cali video. I've often heard that topic from my Taiwanese friends in the UK. Apparently many Taiwanese will still choose Taiwan (over Silicon Valley) despite the lower salary.
Okay so 1 time at the beginning of the video and 1 time during the actual ad .. but if you count cutting away to footage from nordvpn, I guess it could be considered 4 separate times during the ad ... in which case it would be a total of 5? Anyway doesn't matter, don't really have anything worth being read other than keep up the good work, congratulations on how far you've come (been watching you since you the beginning), and hope to run into you someday if I ever make it back to Taiwan.
That was insane.......
About your experience in HK immigration at 11:00 in the video, I think I can give you a clue. I have learnt from some secret way that the officers who check your passport sometimes think referring all suspicious cases to duty office is troublesome if you go through the immigration check by car instead of inside the immigration hall. Their senior officers may not like that either. Of course I will never which cases must be referred or not for I am not their staff. But at least I can sure that, even you come Hong Kong through the immigration hall that time, they may just detain you for a while, just like your previous experience.
Thank you,Prozzie😀
Thank you for making this video.
Young me with such knowledgeable about and real life in the new closed China. I did business in China for over 30 year and I’m now out of China too. My wife and I now spend our time in MONTANA on a mountain in the summer and Gold Coast in the winter. China has changed in the last few years- peace out.
If you don't break the law, no one cares about you in China
史明先生說，先做一個好人，再做台灣人。我想，這就是台灣人和中國人不一樣的地方，即使我們很多人的祖先是從中國來的。
希望你们不要把普通中国人想的太坏……
慶幸你們逃出來了 ！
真的像是恐怖的電影情節 ！
Wow. Glad you and your friend got out of China safely.
BTW, some of the chinese subtitles are very different from what was spoken and somewhat incomprehensible.
活在未知監控生活，真的很可怕😱。台灣相對安全，歡迎你的好朋友，也能來台灣玩
Arghh, you trickster! I had my superconducting processor (pen & paper) ready to count the logos, but you just made us watch the whole 10 minutes when otherwise we would only listen and open a new tab to browse HK news.. But we must stay prozzitive!
You guys have come a long way
Not subscribed to prozzie, but I am to advchina, and I got a UA-cam notification. Saw c-milk and got less confused.
莫彩曦好像也有跟你們一樣的際遇逃離中國的
其實所有在中國的任何國籍的人，或者在海外的中國人，每個人都是在中共的名單上面，只是決定要不要把你的名字翻出來，是看他們意志決定，包括你即使現在是戰狼小粉紅，每天講愛國打美講個不停，一直稱讚黨爸爸，你還是有一天會被抓走，因為已經好幾個五毛就是被這樣對待了。
記得提醒你朋友，任何中國的飛機或是管轄地，或者有簽訂引渡條款的第三方國家，都不要踏入。
I don't think he's ever explained what exactly made him bug out. I just checked a bunch of his older vids to see if I just missed it, but haven't found anything.
Think they are overdramatizing it a bit for effect.
"emptying out all the ice" LOL or something else illogical ?
Glad you are in Taiwan now and C-milk is a good friend to you still...👍🏼
The unfortunate thing for Matt and Winston is they both started to push the envelope exactly at the time when what was considered acceptable for foreigners to be seen to be doing started rapidly shrinking. I don't think they would have been sent to prison or anything like that and I find it a little hyperbolic when they say that would have definitely been the case. It was a crazy enough situation, there's no need to mythologise it further. However, they definitely would have found themselves in a situation where they would have been detained for X period and then told, "Stop and shut up or leave." They wouldn't have been able to do what they were doing, that's for certain. Then, once your friend left, there wasn't much reason to stay. Would anything have happened to you? Doubtful, but the issue is when you're there and you're in that environment there is a level of paranoia you just can't explain.
Sidenote: I must be blind because I didn't see one of those Nord VPN logos. The service has become pretty poor in China. To use it you have to download an OpenVPN workaround to get onto the Nord servers. When they work, those connections are very reliable but that only works for laptops. I never got it to work on my phone.
I don't think prison necessarily was in the cards for them, but I think at a certain point they'd probably have to pay fines, get their visas revoked, and/or make public apologies on UA-cam about "offending the Chinese people" or something to that effect, with of course more harassment and monitoring forever until the day they die if they remained there. Prozzie at least was honest and said "Hey, if I stayed in China for another year I'd probably be fine." I think a difference is while they could potentially legally arrest foreigners for whatever, it could create diplomatic issues and bad publicity, so it's much easier to harass subtly or not, and just make it unpleasant for foreigners they don't like to continue to be there, so they just leave. Honestly they probably don't want to say it, but they likely had something like "gang stalking" going on to them in China.
They may be detained. You can be detained without charge in China. The fact that C-Milk is an American made it worse. He may be used as a bargaining chip by China in dealing with the US government.
So scary 😬
欲加之罪，何患無詞
唉......好可怕的經驗!!
👍🏻👍🏻 this one is way more inspiring than others. Unveiling the real C N for all westerners.
Be careful.Go back home ASAP🤔....Run...🏃♂️🏃
He's safe now, he's in Taiwan...
Robert Hardy :That is good👍Wish you all the best.🤗
It would be nice if cmilk and Winston release a B-roll of ADVchina someday, showing all those crazy stories.
Please share this on Twitter!
C-milk looks really upset/uncomfortable🤔 I imagine it was a jarring experience for him
真是驚險的逃亡過程，搞不好走在路上，就莫明奇妙的被帶走。更何況是像你們這種拿著相機，到處錄影的創作者。萬一錄到不該錄的東西流了出來。那就代誌大條了。
What means of "代誌大條＂？
@@Jersey1225 這是台語，意思是發生嚴重的事情了。
@Unkanata Thanks
@@leolee8499 Thx
请问你敢拍菜菜子用飞机运香烟的视频吗？？？
A cheers from a Canadian in Japan to a Canadian drinking Asahi Super Dry in Taiwan!
討論中國，業配VPN，很會!
中國有的vpn是中國政府開發的
也是為了監控翻牆的中國人😏
找到值得信任的vpn也是很重要的
Prozzie, what did they ask you at the border when you left?
Support from Hong Kong
Pretty sure now CCP is trying to make HK like Mainland, everyone is on their watch
which is upsetting
Anyway, glad that you left and now living happily and FREELY in Taiwan
Cmilk還好嗎？為什麼感覺他在講到（或是聽你講）那些細節時，眼神特別飄移而且不想多說，我不知道是不是因為我關注了太多遭受中共政府迫害，但有幸生存下來去披露那慘無人道過程的受害者，所以覺得直覺覺得cmilk會不會也遭遇什麼 :( 但你們現在都平安就好，願cmilk在中國的家人也能無恙
跟中國人一樣仍在恐懼中
I'm glad you are not promoting ExpressVPN or SurfShark which are linked to CN gov
Thanks for telling us. I am from HK and we know Chinese government is ugly but not that detailed, like how you were stalked. Taiwan is really a good place. I just hope Taiwan wont be taken by China in future.
Didn't C-Milk stay in Hong Kong for a couple days while he worked things out? Not straight to the Airport? That's what his vid said (if I remember correctly)
I think he was there for a few days before they drove in the van across the border
@@xixingpooh ok - makes sense
Dennis Hink all of C-milks videos are fake and he makes up the news as it comes along.
Another apparent inconsistency is that in C-Milk's vid Vivi tells him to get the hell out of there. In this version C-Milk runs off without telling her what he is doing and she has to ring Prozzie to find out where her husband is.
Mathew Toll enough said. This cmilk lies through his teeth. Not even a good liar.
What do you mean by getting stopped at the Hong Kong border?
Prozzie, be the third leg supporting China info by being the Taiwan correspondent! The ADV guys should have you report on Taiwan affairs. Post weekly vids and you could get in on some of the Patreon success Winston and Matt have. Peace, I've been following you guys for years.
what? I don't know anything about Inner Mongolia. There's been so much focus on Xinjiang, Tibet, flooding, etc. that I didn't even think that there could be yet another issue going on. How much money is the CCP and the PLA spending to suppress these people and issues?
Imagine those foreigners who were not as lucky as you guys, and that might be the majority.
Prozzie if hong kong is gone now how do people apply for a tourist visa to visit Taiwan?
請問6:39那部電影的名字是什麼，好像蠻好看的..想去找@@
很多人就是這樣「被失蹤」😱
did c-milk just cut you off? And why didn't you get sponsored sooner, just got NordVPN last month...
It's bad editing.
Yea shit editing. And I guess I'm not very sponsorable?
Far out. Like a political thriller.
這根本在拍電影吧==
That’s insane! It feels like this story is from a movie script.
這個故事我在C-milk和Winston的頻道上聽了不少次😌
謝謝你們勇敢發聲，說出真相
加油💪邁向10萬訂閱。
You made a good choice to leave the HELL.
2 times. Question.. What happened to Asiabrew? They just disappeared like a year ago without a farewell.