Do You Have IRON or TANNINS in Your WATER?
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- Is your well or lake water brown? You know like a weak tea color? Tired of complaints and comments from your children and guests about the color of your water? If you fill a bathtub does the color just keep getting darker? So how does a Tannin Filter work to get rid of that color anyway? I’m going to explain it all to you starting right now!
Typically color in your water can be caused by a few things but if the color is brown or a rusty brown it can be either tannins or iron. How do you know which one? You could have the water sent to a lab for testing which is expensive, mail your water sample to us for testing, which is free but takes a while or you can do a couple of simple tests yourself.
Get some white styro-foam cups, run some water and check to see if there is any color in the water immediately as the water flows from the faucet into the cup if there’s no color, it’s not tannins. If it turns brown when you let it sit, it’s not tannins, the color is being caused by iron. If there is color in the water immediately when it flows from the faucet it could be either tannins or iron and you need to move on to the second test.
The next test, to determine if your water with color in it is tannins or iron is to add about ½ teaspoon of iron out, waterestore.ca/products/pro-r... stir it up and if after the water clears, all of the color is gone, it is iron and you need an iron filter. If the color remains you have tannins in your water.
So you now know you have tannins, how do we get rid of it? If you use very little water you might consider a cartridge type filter like one of these waterestore.ca/products/aries... for your home, but be careful, that filter will only remove tannins from about 300 gallons of water and at only .5 gpm. So this will only work for a cabin or cottage where there is very little use or for a single faucet at the kitchen sink.
For a whole house application you would need one of these waterestore.ca/products/hum-t...
If you think that it looks exactly like a water softener to you, you’re correct! They look like and work exactly like a water softener.
Tannin filters have two tanks, one with a control valve at the top, which is called the media tank. The other tank (that looks like a garbage can) with a lid that you open, holding the salt, is called the brine tank.
All of the water in the house runs through a bed of specialty purpose ion exchange resin. This resin fills most of the media tank. As water passes over the beads, the tannins stick to the beads and are removed from your water.
Eventually, the resin gets covered with tannins and those tannins need to be removed from the media so they can continue to remove the tannins from your water. The tannin filter regenerates every 3 days, or sooner if the capacity has been used up, which typically is programmed to happen at night, or anytime there is very little water usage in the home. By the way a tannin filter uses about 12 lbs of salt per regeneration.
Another way to remove tannins from your water is with Reverse Osmosis systems. I don’t recommend RO for tannin removal for the whole house, cabin or cottage but if all you want to do is remove tannins from your drinking water, you can use our HUM Water Saver 75 for tannin removal. waterestore.ca/products/hum-w...
Tannin filters install exactly the same as a water softener. If you have multiple pieces of water filtration equipment for your well water, the tannin filter goes after your iron filter and water softener but before the pre filtration for your UV Light.
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If your well or lake water at your home, cottage or cabin is brown, it could be tannins in your water! This video explains how you can tell if it's tannins and how to get rid of that tea colored water for your family.
Gary that was the most concise video I've watched on exactly what tannins are and how to install systems to remove them. I have searched through and watched about 20 videos on tannins, brown water, filters and installations. Yours touches on every aspect. Awesome reference video. Thank you.
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Thanks Gary for your insight on tannins and the solutions available. I have been trying to find a system to remove the color from our well water. Your video gave me a path to determine the exact problem and then the available solutions. Your video/knowledge was very much appreciated.
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Thank you for the information! This is a very good video! Appreciate it!
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Very informative. Just the information I needed. Thank you.
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Gary , I love your videos... I do have a question for you.. My friend is using a softener head to treat iron and of course he is using a chemical. What media should I purchase to replace the one he currently has that will work with the system he has ? He cannot afford the air injection system you offer.
This depends on many variables. What chemical is he using? How much iron? What drain line flow control is he using? The system would need to be totally engineered.
Hello Gary & thanks for posting these videos. We live in Ontario & the water in our tanin buster brine tank was initially clear however it has been extremely yellow and appears stagnant for weeks now. Is this normal or should we have it checked? Thanks again for your feedback.
I have seen that happen with tannin filters. Try manually regenerating it to see if it sucks all of the brine out during the brine cycle. If it does it’s ok
Thanks for your knowledge sharing! I have a water softener system and recently my hot water only has been coming out yellowish brown. What can I do to determine if it's the water softener or my hot water heater that is the problem?
It’s your hot water heater. If it was your softener it would be brown hot and cold water
We are on a class B community well with 12 hookups available 6 homes using it at this time. There is a media filter system in the well house but that does not take care of tannins. Is it possible to take care of tannins at the well house instead of at each home. Also is is possible to use just a media tank without the salt brine tank ? Thank you
No, for 6 homes the system would need to gigantic. You would need one of these for each home waterestore.com/products/hum-tannin-water-filter-removes-colour. Any they all use brine tanks
Hi Gary… great video but it raises a question.
So my house currently has a sulpher filter (carbon) with air intake for regen. i was told the bed suppose to last years but after 2 years it’s like a rebed required. It seems i have tannin or someone else told me the slim inside tank (on control unit input) is sulpher bacteria. So if I’m to add a tannin filter after the current old filter, this filter will always have a media issue after 2 years, therefore a no way out on having a piece of mind for at least 5 years since everyone seems to claim sukfer filter should last that long.
PS. can the rust out be used to clean the media so it’s like new again or a rebed is required.
If you suspect that you might have iron bacteria, I would have it tested by a lab to confirm. Iron bacteria cannot be treated with air, you would need a chemical injection system which I do not work with.
@@GarytheWaterGuyWell it’s been a while (with all Covid my project was put aside). So it’s not sulpher bacteria and it’s tannin. So i already have a sulpher filter (carbon - centaur NDS), would i put the tannin before or after the my sulphur filter? Any reason why it could not be before…. as install space would have to be redone.
Also consider, tannin removal softeners use an organic scavenging resin that targets anions in the water. You should expect a drop in pH after the system as well as an increase in chloride concentration. These systems, when applied incorrectly can create or exacerbate existing corrosion issues
Like all solutions, there are pros and cons to consider.
Any recommendations for then removing the chloride and rebalancing the water? We already have small amounts of corrosion on our stainless.
Chlorides can only be removed through reverse osmosis. A complete water analysis before and after your current treatment is the first step you determine what’s most appropriate
@@seanneumann5790 do you know the TDS and pH after your treatment system?
So is it safe to have an iron filter and a tannins filter? And the iron filter has to be set up before the tannins filter?
The systems look exactly the same. And I just had my media replaced in my iron filter with a 700 dollar medium recently.... now with my water test coming back with high tannins...
Could I just not add a salt tube to my existing iron filter because it has a strong medium in it?
No, the technologies and media are different.
Hey Gary, are tannin filters effective at removing anything else from well water?
No, just tannins.
My Toilet bowl is intermittently brown, sometimes it is, other times its not. The faucet and shower water appears clean. I am fed city water. I do have a water filter, tall one, so it seems to be working on shower and faucets, so why not toilet? Each toilet tank is Brown i.e. 2 accept the single toilet down stairs. Any tips?
Sorry, I'm stumped.
What if you need a bacterial filter too, because you have both yellow water ( not iron) and bacteria, what filter and where does it go in the process? Also, not much floorspace is available….
Great question. UV light like this goes on the wall waterestore.com/products/hum-safe-water-10gpm-minirack-mr320e-tp2s-220
Hey, Gary. You didn't mention how much these tannin whole house units are..
No because we have two websites, a Canadian One and a USA one, different prices. Also, I never mention prices in my videos becasue prices tend to change in time so if some one watches the video a year from now the price likely will be different. You are best to email us for pricing at info@waterestore.com
Is there anything else that would cause water to be yellow ( not iron, it tested low) because I’d hate to buy the HUM and salt tank and see yellow water still in the toilets and tub! Is there a specific test for tannins?
Yes, there is. You can take your water to a lab and have it tested for tannins or mail us about 16 ounces and we can test it for you. info@waterestore.com
How much are the whole house tannin removing units? that look like water softeners?
Are you located on Canada or the USA? Different currencies, different prices.
How often do you have to change tannin filter media? Or is this maintenance free?
I'm sure that at some point it will need replacement but after 20 years of tannin filter installations, I have never had to replace the media in any one of them.
What effect does chlorine or hydrogen peroxide have if injected prior to the tannin removal?
Don't know, never tried, but Tannin media is very expensive so I would not experiment.
Can the water softener tank and the tannin removal tank share the same brine tank? I only really need to remove the tannin when I fill my hot tub, once or twice a year. Thank you.
In a situation like yours, where you are only filling the hot tub once or twice a year, yes. But not for regular household use.
@@GarytheWaterGuy Thank you, Gary. The only problem is that the hose outlet that I use for the hot tub comes off the softener. So my hot tub water is part of the house system. I need something smaller to hook up to the outlet that I use the for the hot tub. I don't mind the tannin in the house. We have an reverse osmosis system for the drinking water. But for the hot tub, would like it clearer. Our outside hose is not connected to the softener, but has heavy iron. Thank you for the response.
How about zeta filters like the ones US filters offers?
Not sure what you mean, can you post a link?
If the tannins are only present when there's a good rain, will the filter adjust for when we are not in the raining season and the filters isn't needed as much or will it still use the same amount of salt?
It will not adjust or compensate. You will need to manually turn it on or off when needed.
@@GarytheWaterGuy Thank you! Your channel is a wealth of good info. I am still trying to get things sorted out with my new home and well, and you have been super helpful. Wish you were here in Tennessee!!
What happen to the PH of the water after tannin systems ? How many lbs of salt does tannin filter use ?
After the tannin filter the pH goes down slightly. A one cubic foot tannin filter like this one waterestore.com/products/hum-tannin-water-filter-removes-colour uses about 120 lbs of salt per month.
Does the salt end up in the water in the house, or is it just for back flushing purposes?
99% is backwashed out, there is avery low sodium residual.
What media is inside of the tannin filter?
This one waterestore.com/products/tannin-media-1-cubic-foot
Hi Gary,
What does H202 treat?
Hydrogen peroxide is a strong oxidizer and can oxidize iron and sulphur out of water.and kill bacteria. Usually not effective for Tannin removal
Will this peroxide system take the yellow color out and the stinky smell?
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