Fallout 4: The Next Gen Update - One Step Forwards, Two Steps Back
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2024
- Fallout 4 just received its long-awaited Next Gen Update, with also curiously comes with a handful of weird and highly-explosive new toys, so join me as I dive in to investigate whether it was worth the wait...
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My biggest gripe with almost all of the creation club content is the way it's shoved into the game and doesn't fit naturally. The "quest" giving the content are almost always overly-simple and the weapons and equipment are almost always overpowered.
You also can’t turn the stuff off
@@dashiellgillingham4579No one is stopping you from deleting the creation club content (ccBG* in the data folder)
The bonus part, if you gotta download it along with the base game whic take up valuable space for stuff your nto even using.
I did like going and grabbing some enclave power armor rq, though yeah you could call it OP lol
@@romanw6636 I didn't know that was actually possible. I will try this.
To further demonstrate Bethesda's laziness, Marvin didn't die to his own Piggy Bank Launcher. The game plants Piggy Bank mines on the fire escape to ambush the player, but Marvin and his goons aren't immune to them. So if you shoot at them and they come looking for you, they'll naturally come down the fire escape and run into their own mines. That's how Marvin died when Jon wasn't looking. I know, because the exact same thing happened in my playthrough, only I was on the other side of the building when it happened, so I got to see it.
Wait.
Wait wait I...
I genuinly did not think it could be that bad.
Genuinly him dying from the Piggie Bank Launcher makes some sense because hey se see an enemy and the Piggy Bank hits the steps.
But this I...
Isn't Creation Club content made by outside modders, not actual Bethesda regular employees? I thought that was the idea, to use modders to make money for Bethesda and justify it by giving the mod author a "cut." I would assume, beyond testing, Bethesda is not responsible for any of the actual content.
@@fredhurst2528 well, they didn't do much testing, then.
@@Niyucuatro fair enough, I should have put in a disclaimer when using the word testing where as Bethesda is concerned.
Happened to me too lmao, all of the quests they added that I've started have been janky as hell. It's honestly pretty sad
If i had to guess, the baseball launcher was copy-pasted from the Laser Gatling gun (uses the fusion core reload) and while its ammo count was changed, the number of shots fired in a V.A.T.S. round wasn't. leading to the hilarious result of shooting more ammo than what the maximum "core" ammo counter has before reloading
Yup. I remember this happening with a few other weapon mods, too. It's just extra funny when you can pick the ammo back up again when you're done.
It fires 18 baseballs in VATS!
oh I thought it was using fewer than 9 ammo to reload the 9 ammo in the clip, this makes more sense!
@@BarbarianGod It is. If you watch at 20:34 when Jon reloads it takes 3 off the inventory and puts 9 in the magazine. You pick up 6 more than you used to reload. Watching further at 27:24 when he reloads in armour the deduction matches the reload so perhaps it's conditional or they patched it quickly.
And it also costs the same action points in VATS as the Gatling Laser (30 AP), so in VATS it's a Gatling Laser which deals 82 base damage per shot instead of 14 base damage per shot... It's essentially six times as powerful as the base Gatling Laser, but you can get it before level 30. Absolutely moronic that Bethesda considers this Creation Club content to be good enough to include in the base game.
I used to be a soldier in the enclave, but then I took a flaming baseball to the knee.
Beautiful!
I too was in the enclave until I got hit by an exploding piggy bank, I hastily resigned afterwards
I used to be a raider but a wastland wanderer opened my mind with a sawblade rifle.
It’s in the knee. Nobody ever said ‘to the knee’.
Their creation club gear does generally tend to alternate between "so statistically bad it's not worth using outside cosmetics" and "so OP you feel bad using it". Seems the swung towards the latter with these.
Love the whole "Jon killed Pyro, now he's been hunted for Pyro's armor, which he didn't take". Feels like the premise to a comedy movie.
My game crashed on PS5 today then I was met with the ever terrifying message "Save data corrupted" and it was ALL of my save data. I got lucky with having backups but that could really ruin someone's day.
Backing up my saves as soon as I get home!
It's why I hate the game
That also happened to me today. Game has crashed a handful of times but not often enough to be truly annoying since it would then allow me to play at least 10 hours before it happened again
Same 😂 I almost died if my save was gone I would never play again and I was like 30 hours in luckily it auto updates backups so was So lucky 😂. Also I've encountered some random quest bugs upon researching they where part of the original release and some have never been fixed luckily nothing game breaking but they haven't done much on patching any old bugs out in new version that's for sure
@@sunnybread6997 Highly recommend it.
1:28 The Sole survivor JUST got his Pipboy 1 minute ago before turning on the lift and now he's a serial killer, gotta love it.
"I started blasting, bang bang!"
not out of character for nate
Murderhobo Pipboy
the previous owner of that pipboy was the serial killer, that's why you get all the murder missions without knowing what's going on
@@johart309 All those war crimes committed during the war...
I'm pretty sure the new quests are just Creation club mods they've packed into the game
Yup, "giving" all the stuff no one wanted to buy since free mods were better
Yeah, they did the same thing with Skyrim for their "special anniversary update". All of the Creation club content for free, essentially. Whether you wanted it or not. Oh yeah, and fishing. [At least, though, the Skyrim CC is mostly okay content. FO4 CC is mostly nonsense].
@@Bethgael ...did they at least add fishing to fo4?
@@meeperdudeify😢
They are.
Bethesda, Bethesda never changes.
XD
🤣
😂😂😂
They have changed, though. The success of Skyrim seems to be what did it. They got lazy and greedy after that landed so well that they could repackage and resell it 87 ways.
lol yup
You know something is bad when Jon didn't even bother giving it a pun as a title
Truly baffling this could be considered "next gen" in any way for PC players
The "gen" part is short for genocide, which it will commit on your mod list.
When i first heard about this i thought it would be similar to the Witcher 3 next gen update. Utilizing all the next gen hardware capabilities. This is barely an update, let alone next gen.
@@benjamingrant5970 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
ANY players*
Baffling that it can be considered an update to begin with, a halfassed texture pack looks better, some halfassed weapon and quest mods do more, add more and are more enjoyable.
It's genuinely amazing Bethesda somehow through some sort of miracle lower the expectations bar even lower than it ever was.
Codsworth's sad, judging puppydog eyes is the best part of this video.
"A few light bulbs short of a bakery" cracked me up.
They still didn't fix the debris bug, if you have an RTX card having debris on will crash your game... In fact all Bethesda has done is reintroduce bugs that mods had fixed.
And broke the mods that fixed things
I'm gonna steal a comment left on one of the Digital Foundry videos about this topic
"The weapon debris is achieved via FleX - one of Nvidia's crappy, proprietary technologies designed to shill their cards. Nvidia abandoned it a long time ago, with the final 1.2 beta release being in mid-2017. It is very likely not within Bethesda's power to fix it. It was an Nvidia technology that they simply implemented into their game. Nvidia dropped support for it after Pascal, so really the only thing Bethesda could do is rip it out entirely. But that would be far more work and likely break other stuff (not to mention remove it for people with older cards that can still run it), so that's not really realistic."
So yeah not "technically" Bethesda's fault but realistically they should have put in some sort of protocol to detect your current GPU and block the feature on any incompatible cards
Not only reintroduce (i only use STS) but added more. Buildings and plants floating, I clipped through a building near The Castle which has never happened before and Dr. Penske and Tina have "The Ghoul " TM fake tan. Using a PS5.
Yeah im getting sick of their shit. 8 years later and they are still patching this game, ffs. I gotta redo my mods for the millionth time. It's also why I dropped skyrim. And then all they add is shit I don't even use, want ór asked for.
Im not going anywhere near Starfield 🤢
@@andrewgebert5718 So its still their fault because they havent done that its their game its their responsibility not nvidias
I just love the image of Jon running around picking up all the baseballs like they’re nerf darts.
The baseball launcher let's you roleplay as a disciple of Moe Cronin by spreading the joy of baseball to the Commonwealth. The increasing number of baseballs is part of Moe's blessing that there should always be more baseball in the world. The fire represents Moe's burning passion for the sport!
This comment offered more context and worldbuilding than Bethesda managed in two years.
This is so glaringly obvious it really didn't even need to be said
The saw blade launcher would actually justify the old decapitating bullets thing Fallout has, only for it to pop their heads instead
Makes me want to go back and play Half-Life 2
@@EndertheWeek Makes _me_ wish for a nuclear winter....
These are honestly very Bethesda in function; contextless, storyless content that gets you missions themed around "go place, shoot guy", with a reward that _is_ in fact very cool and kind of overpowered but which serves only the nostalgia factor and the ability to go more place shoot more guy.
You've summed up perfectly what my biggest problem with FO4 in general is, the thing that stops me from loving the game as much as I'd like to. The idea that a supposed update they'd been 'working on' for 2 years is just more of that chucked in randomly is deeply, deeply disappointing.
I feel like you haven’t watched MATN if you think Bethesda is this shallow. Creation club quests are always this garbage. Bethesda quests are on the surface, quite similar, but if you choose to (since Bethesda is very big on “get involved as you want to in the story”) you can get a lot more out of every location than “go there, shoot guy”. It won’t textwall at you like new Vegas does trying to explain why it’s clever, it lets you figure that out for yourself if you choose to. With CC quests, there is no deeper meaning to get involved in, it literally is “go there, shoot guy, read terminal for bare minimum to justify the plot”
The Sole Survivor magically knows about these quests because he was preloaded with them by the institute when they made him.
those implants are the best, they also told me to have dogmeat grab the cryolater lol
@@andrewmoluf4299 why else would the institute radio be on in the Red Rocket?
The movie Demolition Man was a documentary after all it seems.
@@Ajescent What's Jon's boggle?
Turns out the Institute's grand plan was to create the perfect synth capable of taking out Pyro
Skyrim's 10 year anniversary at least left notes in random inns, rather than just giving you the quests
This isn't half assed. It's barely quarter assed. At least the weapons are kinda cool.
The weapons on console are all just big red exclamation marks, they do not work
Quarter-assed is fucking generous
Cool but stupidly OP.
@@Jumzaaa That's hilarious. Like its not funny that this is happening but it's hilarious that Bethesda can screw up something so simple so badly.
braking any game balance and physics law type of cool
This felt like a rushed "we need to do something 'substantial' to coincide with the TV show, because lots of people are going to be flooding to our games!"
The results of which - Broke a lot of mods (Specifically ones requiring F4SE/Buffout), caused more bugs while also not fixing others still in game (shocker), flipped the switch on some creation club content from paid to free, and most damning of all (at least for me): caused the delay of Fallout - London by an indeterminate amount of time.
Also, one of the most bizarre things out of a supposed "next gen update" is how the game *STILL* cannot be run at higher than 75-80 fps *without a mod to fix it* because the physics straight up break past that point. I can only run the game in windowed borderless (which causes the game to hard cap itself at 48fps for some bizarre reason), or in fullscreen with my NVidia settings FORCING the game to run at 75fps.
This entire update was extremely poorly thought out, which honestly at this point, feels kind of par for the course for Bethesda...
At least the show's good. We've got that going for us.
It wasn't rushed though, they were working on it for two years. People make amazing indie games from scratch in that time, whereas Bethesda failed to deliver an update that works and has any thought put into it. It's ridiculous.
The next gen update is a convenient scapegoat for the fallout london team. It’s like all these fan made projects they announce a release then some circumstance pushes it back a year, see skyblivion, skywind etc.
@@AiphosGaming FOLON announced their release date long before the Next-Gen update was announced, and they have a pre-update version ready to go if the update broke it too badly.
@@AiphosGaming Take off your tinfoil hat once in a while.
I am not sure I would call creation club content which has been available for years like the Hellfire power armour you get from Pyro "new"
I don't know why Jon thinks this creation club stuff was made by Bethesda.
@@notreallydaedalus probably cause Bethesda still gets $$$ From the sells made on the creation club. And hence would / should be responsible for things
@@notreallydaedalus Probably just didn't do any research into it.
Right I liked seeing mods from 2017 as New lol
@notreallydaedalus because it was. Some Creation Club content was created by modders, but they are doing so in behest of Bethesda. They get paid by Bethesda to make content for the games, thereby its ultimately made by Bethesda, the same as Fallout 4 was made by Bethesda. A dev team might have made Fallout 4, but they did so as Bethesda employees and under contract with the company, therefore it was made by Bethesda.
I'm not saying the Creation Club is great, but people calling it 'paid mods' are objectively wrong. It's official Bethesda content made by people working as employees of Bethesda, just working as contractors rather than as salaried employee. If that's 'paid mods' then any DLC is 'Paid mods'. Far harbor is a 'paid mod', only made internally rather than by contractors.
Todd Howard to Fallout's Lead Developer: "We need to take economic advantage of the inferno of interest around the release of the Fallout series by putting out a Fallout 4 update. Ideally we can pitch something to the player base that will multiply their interest."
Lead Dev to rest of the dev team: "Todd wants us to create a Fallout 4 update to coincide with the new series"
Dev Team Member: "Any particular theme?"
Lead Dev: "He said something about banking, fire, baseball and multiplication."
Dev Team Member: "That's an odd combination"
Lead Dev: "Yeah, I did kind of tune out after I excitedly realised he was talking about Fallout 4 rather than 76. Anyway, who's got some ideas?"
heh, 'pitch' something to the playerbase...
😂
Bethesda did not make any of these mods and they are not new.
Biggest issue I have here is how they've just thrown The Enclave in for the sake of having The Enclave in the game. They're just against the player for no established or logical reason, The Enclave had access to a lot of Vault data and arent entirely out of the loop, so it makes no sense that when meeting the Sole Survivor they'd kill them over a power suit being one of the purposes of the control vaults was to store people for the Enclave to collect as needed post-apocolypse that were free from radiation. The Sole Survivor is their perfectly preserved pie, it would make more sense if they arrested the sole survivor, interrogated them about Vault 111, and then the player would have to break out of an Enclave base afterwards, finding the new items on their way out.
Damn thats actually such a good idea im pissed it isn't this 😂
I assumed they put in The Enclave because of the TV show.
the enclave is literally just the bad guys bethesda wheels out everytime they want to nostalgia bait
Yeah but that requires effort and this is Bethesda
Hell, they spent 2 years on this stuff. They could have added the Enclave as a more evil BOS full on faction with an eventual mission involving the Institute where your goal is to capture as many of them as possible as many of them are people who haven't been exposed to the wasteland much.
I love that we can always trust Jon to be honest with us when he doesn't like something, especially given his history with Bethesda. A lesser person would try to find excuses for this sort of stuff
Define "history with Bethesda"
@@famoussession7426 him collaborating with them, receiving early look at some of the games, including a full on trip to West Virginia for 76. And, well, more than a decade of playthroughs of Bethesda games under his belt, I think that qualifies as history
@@famoussession7426 they flew him out to West Virginia for the Fallout 76 event. Not sure if he's had any other perks.
@@famoussession7426 a disproportionally large cut of his career is built on Bethesda games.
he was incredibly over generous to 76 and the TV show, I dont buy it
Bethesda is not beating those allegations that they don't care about immersion.
Not a good sign when my constant thought with this update is "This took them 2 years?"
Suddenly my persistent state of depressive fatigue over the past few years doesn't seem so unproductive now
It didnt take 2 years. They bunged this out in like a few weeks because of the mediocre fallout shows popularity.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was slapped together as fast as possible as soon as good reviews for the fallout show came out.
These mods have been available for a few years now.
@@arklainquirk So they _did_ just packaged them and kicked them out the door, I'm not surprised.
@@Aliamus_ Not really, they are just giving them to you for free, they were already in the creation club.
@@arklainquirk no, I get that, that’s not what I'm pointing out.
I knew it was not going to be worth screwing up the London MODs release.
What a shocker. Instead of getting a release that had the potential to be better than the base game, we get a bunch of useless shit that broke existing mods. Yay.
Well im sure whenever THAT comes out, Jon will be Playing it, and making videos about it.
There was a short teaser mod on nexus but alas bethessie did it again, fallout London is taking its sweet times because they kinda poach these high class ( basically rewiting the whole game type stuff)modders to design the games and hopefully fo5 . Ovbiously I'm skeptical of it but I do have good faith because there's whispers all the time of oh that mod won't be happening cos so n so went to x game company
Throw in Howard’s comments that they will never do a non-US Fallout, like London, and it makes sense :p
@@jaywerner8415 I'd say that's a safe bet, yes.
I can't believe Bethesda is forcing these CC mods on players. In addition to adding more clutter to the game, potentially straining older systems, each CC mod has .BA2 archives, and there is a .BA2 plugin limit of 250, so some people have hit the limit just because of the update. You have to manually delete CC mod files to remove them, you can't just deselect the mods in a mod manager, and the latest version of Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch, which is essential for a heavily modded game, actually requires all the CC mods from the update to be installed! The only solution I know of is Buffout 4 has an "experimental" option to disable the archive limit, which sometimes works for me and sometimes doesn't.
Seriously Bethesda, we want more OPTIONS not forced content!
I have avoided adding CC content to my Xbox game for years since they basically broke my original PS4 game. When Covid happened I bought a decent gaming laptop with thr first stimulus check and have never looked back but I still occasionally enjoy just playing on Xbox. Nowadays it’s XBox S series.
Pretty sure you can disable CC stuff if you don't wanna pay the "ba2 price", that being said having CC trash AS a game uodate is pathetic of Bethesda.
I can totally believe it, because they did the same shit for Skyrim.
I'm using the gog version which comes without the CC content.
Of *course* Arthmoor required all of the CC content. [*sigh*]
Wouldn't be Bethesda if it just worked.
Don't tell Todd Howard that.
Something this video doesn't notice is the performance improvement. I had zero frame slow down in the city.
Todd Howard said "it just works." He never said anything about it working correctly. Or efficiently. Or anywhere close to stable.
@@gregmarcus6752 In retrospect, it really does seem like that was a misquote, doesn't it? I wonder if he meant to say "It _only barely_ just works. _Sometimes. If you're lucky..."_ 😂
@@gregmarcus6752 Howard's 'just works' quote was in relation to one aspect of the building system. It was nowhere near about the whole of the game.
Funny thing: If you clear Monsignor Plaza before you read that terminal in Suggs' shop, Marvin and his unique weapons aren't there, and then they spawn in when you read that terminal.
I think similar thing happens for many quests in Fallout 4.
7:30 the sniper saw blade launcher
The game: "let's break the geneva convention"
Jon: " You know what? I'm onboard"
The Ultra Wide support is a lot worse than the existing mods for it. Meanwhile Fallout New Vegas runs in Ultra Wide no problem
?? ive never been able to run New Vegas in ultrawide? how are you getting it done?
I literally cannot start the game now. The opening 'didn't we do a neat thing?' message appears on my screen, my mouse cuts out and I cannot click past the Okay part.
Doki had this problem, so what happened is your game is set to controller so you need to plug in a controller to get past it, than go to options an switch it to key board an mouse, make sure you back out an save, Dokibird had the same issue.
Do you have a controller connected maybe? I've seen that issue before and a controller being connected was their issue
anyone who uses the word "neat" to describe cool think they're super but are definitely not cool> This has been BGS since F4 released and probably even before
@@patrickwilliamson29one of the most grade school tier sentences I've read in a while
@@Sulphorusholy heck
Having the CC content auto-start is awful... Totally ruins the emerge from the vault moment.
There was a mod called Creation Club Delayed that tackled all the old content and made it appear more naturally. Hope he updates for the new stuff!
the huge success of the upgrade is the breaking of all mods and the delay of fallout london
Baseballs flaming underwater too? Oh, they really out-Bethesdaed themselves this time!
The new mssions weren't made by Bethesda. They're creation club content.
It's a Mod and not made by Bethesda so go criticize the mod author if you're that upset about it.
The reason you shredded that power armor is there is a flaw under the chest piece.
Gotta add “silencer on grenade launcher” to my list titled *Bethesda has no idea how guns work*
The Russians made one (because of course they did) but yeah, this is just silly.
It might be because the “grenade launcher” is a modified revolver
@@LightofJustice93 Ah, I’m guessing it uses the pipe pistol as a base for the weapon? I know many F4 weapon mods (at least used to) be made up of existing assets put together in different ways [Can’t remember the term for this. Composite-meshing? I know there’s a phrase but I haven’t used/heard it in years]
Bethesda did not make the grenade launcher as it is a creation club mod! Also, I don't think you know how guns work as you could put a suppresser on any type of gun. Grenade launchers are not actual that loud and it would not be that hard to suppress it, now if you want to talk about how useful a suppressed grenade launcher would be is a different matter.
@@arklainquirk it’s creation club, which comes from either in house development or paid modders*, either way it’s released by Bethesda.
Secondarily, you answered why it’s its stupid & meaningless in your own comment. There’s no reason to suppress a GL, it’s goofy & poorly conceived
Edit: also, just because you CAN suppress whatever doesn’t make it: reasonable, realistic, sensible, practical. Gtfo trying to speak on what I know.
The fallout 4 project manager must be so proud of being able to deliver all this to us...
The new content needs to have a level requirement for when it becomes available, and i feel like the Tesla canon would have made more sense using Fusion Cores and being more powerful
They definitely shouldn't've given the update the hype name...
EDIT: Hmm. Looks like the Baseball Launcher is shooting all 9 in VATS, but when you reload it only takes 6 out of your pack, despite filling the magazine back up to 9 - meaning a net gain of 3 if you pick up all of your baseballs. Neat.
If only my childhood nerf guns had this, um... feature(not a bug)🤨
I’m pretty sure it’s firing more like 16-17 baseballs. I’ve counted the shots a few times and that’s what I end up around.
It's loading 9 but only taking 3 out of your store. 20:34 you can see the numbers. So you pick up an extra 6 each time. Watching further at 27:24 the load and deductions actually match so it's either conditional (power armour) or they patched it quickly.
@@Letterman0412 yup you can could the fups, it deffinately fups like 15 times
Wait, so not only is the amount reloaded off by six baseballs, it spawns something around an additional eight baseballs when fired in VATS (I counted at 0.25x). So this thing is spawning something like fourteen baseballs when you fire it in VATS, in addition to getting back your original three baseballs. It Just Works.
On Xbox One this update also introduced a 5 or so second lag between selecting every single hair or beard option at the barber so now to go from the top of the list to the bottom it takes literal minutes.
I've been avoiding opening the game up on my ps4 ever since this dropped.
I have files I wanted to play out, but I don't foresee the game even getting past the start screen with some of what I've been reading.
@@SCh1m3raFor me, on Xbox Series X, I turned off auto updates and it won't even let me play. But when I disconnect or turn off the Internet I can play it fine no issues, pre-update too. Definitely not updating and losing all my progress and mods.
@@nathanieljimenez1151
I'll admit to a few mistakes leading to my predicament. Leaving an account with rest-updates on being among them.
I've got the physical disc somewhere. Might be getting creative this weekend to unplug it and restore to prior settings. Otherwise, might just wait for a steam sale and mosey into PC. Can't expect the 4 to last too much longer.
@@SCh1m3ra That might be a better idea. I probably would play it on PC if I could cause it has some absolutely incredible mods. I would do that in your shoes. Plus too, the Fallout Script Extender author(s?) is currently working on updates for it which should put a ton of mods back on from my understanding.
Wouldnt be a Jon moment if he picks up a tesla cannon for destroying vertibirds then neglecting to use the tesla cannon when a vertibird appears
Instead it was a pig with a silly noise and no real explosion animation, so the vertibird just randomly caught fire after a silly noise. hee hoo. xD
Oh Bethesda, adding in a new weapon with bugged ammo exploit is perfectly balanced, Spiff doesn't even need to do anything
Bethesda did not balance these guns because they did not make these guns, a modder made them.
Still think they literally only pushed this update so Fallout Show fans wouldn't be able to use mods instead of Creation Club garbage.
The worst part? Lots of new players now presented with a lot of game breaking, immersion breaking nonsense.
Jon needs to make a shirt with: "Keep on keeping on"
I would really rather they just stop touching fallout 4. Nothing they add makes the game better it just breaks things.
That shot at 28:20 knocking down the gun for you was just perfect. *chef's kiss*
So glad we got this so that Fallout London had to postpone it's realease ...
Creator's of Fallout London: We have Dozens of passionate developer's and voice actor's who want to bring our vision to life.
Bethesda: here's some random stuff, give us more money.
It was a free update.
@thomasl.townsend3191
That pushed itself unnecessarily on the most accessed platforms; busted the game for a number of pc's and consoles; and released 2 days prior to a mod that they were getting free publicity over.
They don't get an excuse now when they capitalized on the [redacted due to infamy] mod for New Vegas.
The only thing that's kept the IP alive for those who refused 76, was mods. And those people deserve to complain that a product they had in perfect working order got messed with nearly a decade post-release without even a pop-up to request permission.
@@SCh1m3ra You make an excellent point. Game is working with nice improvements and the clowns come back and break things.
@@thomasl.townsend3191 Unless you claimed it as part of the PS+ Collection, apparently, as they didn't see fit to coordinate with Sony on licensing. So "free" update is conditional for a stupid reason for certain players.
@@thomasl.townsend3191 Sure, but you need to think about the big picture. The fallout show brought in A LOT of new fallout fans - hells, i've seen more first time lets plays of FO3/NV/FO4 in the past few days than i have in the past 5 years or so. People who have never played a fallout game suddenly wanting to play because of the show.
Also take into consideration that a lot of people don't like playing "older" games - and FO4 is almost 10 years old. Regardless of if you think that is silly or not, its a fact that a lot of people only want to play the newest games. Now, If those people think FO4 got a "next-gen" update to bring it up to date with modern games, those people are more likely to buy it.
So whilst the update was free - it was done specifically in order to attract new players - ergo, to make money. Its not a coincidence that the "next-gen update" released, out of the blue, at the same time as the show.
Jon, it's the NAIL GUN that removes heads and tacks them to the walls like the railway rifle.
Metal arms provided a better saw blade launcher for physics and visuals.
Coincidentally, that game is old enough to drink this year. (21: US)
@@SCh1m3ra Had a similar weapon in Unreal. Same age, too. That disc launcher was great!
Not sure why Bethesda didn't work with modders for this one since CDPR did so for Witcher 3's next-gen update. Could've at least worked with the script extender folks
They could have worked with Luxor or any of the other 4k texture modders, or the modder that had already CORRECTLY implemented ultrawide support.
But no, they only work their creation club modder pets and that's it
they'd rather just poach modders from modteams and put them to work on 76 lmao
This is the behavior I point to when people ask “what has Bethesda done that makes you doubt future game releases” - it’s this tone deaf way of acting that does it. Issuing updates when they want to hawk new garbage and completely ignoring the community members like they haven’t kept the game alive for years with their free content. Not even giving them a courtesy heads up or working with them? Bethesda has continuously ignored unofficial patch update fixes and things like the modded ultra wide support in favor of either doing nothing or making a shittier version. It’s completely avoidable but they act like they’ve done everyone a huge favor releasing this crap.
They literally did work with modders as all of these creation club mods were made by modders.
Bethesda's attempt at adding the Enclave is just embarrassing. A couple of enemy camps to shoot and loot, no story, and no logical connection to the player. Meanwhile the fan-created mod America Rising adds a fully voiced expansion that adds the Enclave as a joinable faction and an alternate path to completing the main story that makes logical sense.
Oh, Jon, any plans on doing a playthough of America Rising 2 for the channel?
Bethesda did not add the Enclave, a modder added the Enclave as this is a mod and not made by Bethesda.
Infinite flaming baseballs of doom.. God i love Bethesda sometimes...
Maybe the firetheme was them celebrating their burning of all the modders.
😂😢😢😢😢
you do know that this is a mod made by a modder right?
Did Jon realise that the Piggy Banks are modified Bottlecap mines? He left all the caps on the battelfield.
This update is like 'what if Fallout, but the fire nation attacked'.
"Marvin Suggs" is a FANTASTIC muppet show reference.
"they might get around to fixing this". Wow, such optimism.
*in-game explanation about how Marvin is crazy*
Jon: "I like this guy!"
*set dressing exists*
Also Jon: "Maybe he was nuts."
The Gauss-Powered Nail-Gun and Rocket Grenade Launchers are by far the best weapons added by the update. I love them so much they're SO MEAN
Jesus, I've been binging you old survival mode post 7 years ago, and the voice spooked me lol.
But Jon, the Halloween mod has a bonnet!
Best part is that from the first analysis digital foundry did the Quality/Performance toggle button doesn't actually do anything on Xbox, it's stuck on performance mode. So it pretty much is only an improvement for Playstation.
As much as I like bashing on Bethesda...
I have an old Xbox One, and this update actually made the game run smoother, crash way less (still happens but not as often by far)
when i got to Suggs, he wasn't selling any of the new weapons. so it took me a bit longer to get access to any of them
Gun Nut 3 and Science 2 just to strap a blow torch to the underside of the barrel. SEEMS A BIT MUCH
To any one that is curious this is just like Skyrim Legendary in so far that its just Creation Club stuff. So if you are wondering why a lot of assets are reused that would be why.
Skyrim Anniversary. Legendary edition was the original game of the year type release from 2013 (game + all dlc).
The very experimental Tesla cannon ... potentially the most op weapon in Fallout.
The baseball launcher reminds me of Rocket's Red Glare from NV. Only with endless ammo and only taking up a quarter of the screen RRG did.
upon seeing that baseball dupe a quote came to me "things arent up to the usual fallout standards"
They are mods after all...
I think with the baseball launcher, they remodelled the mini gun and forgot to remove it's VATS animation.
See the reload? I think the "baseball tube" is a fusion core. They used the gatling laser.
Modders aren't perfect and sometimes they have to reuse assists.
@@arklainquirk Not if they are made by someone with talent & passion. But keep defending this junk.
@@MeadeJ67 I think your comparing Creation Club Mods with high-end Nexus mods that have things like Script Extender. You have to remember that CCM are limited in size because they are for consoles players and not pc players. Custom animations are not the easiest thing to make, they are large files and require things like script extenders to work which are not available on consoles. I personally turned all of these CCM's off and only use Mods that make the game look better with a few quality-of-life mods.
I respect how Jon's always honest with his reviews no matter what, a rarity these days, but this is definitely gonna ruffle some feathers at Bethesda and hurt his future review copy chances, guess he'll be playing Fallout 5 at the same time as the rest of us lol.
In 2056?
Implying anything new for Fallout games is happening anytime soon
2056 is pretty generous given their track record. The fallout show will likely have like 8 seasons by the time they announce where fallout 5 will take place
Jon has talked crap about stuff Bethesda has done before. Does he do it a lot and as often as the people with hate boners for the company? No, but he's certainly aired his complaints more than some people give him credit for. It's never hurt his relationship with Bethesda before, doubt it will now.
You forgot that it also broke the radio, meaning you can’t actually listen to the mysterious radio for the all hallows eve quest
I believe all the new quests are just creation club content. So they barely even did much
top tip: gog version doesn't force the update. Nothing can harm your mod stack. And you can have as many installations as you want.
Bethesda has some really annoying (because pointless) updates recently.
It seems like the baseball launcher is shooting 17 baseballs per VATS round? I want to say 18 because that would make more sense considering the original capacity of 9, but no, I counted multiple times and each time got 17, not 18. Maybe one is silent or something
I would never expect a saw blade to pin a body part to a wall. I can only imagine them either slicing clean through or getting stuck in the target.
The nail gun might have been able to do that though.
I just watched this after rewatching your Fallout NV and 3 kill everything runs and the difference in the way your voice sounds is nuts, 10 years makes a difference I guess.
The next Gen update is going wonderful for me as I never updated, I am on PC so saw no need to update for some quests.
Is there an easy way to downgrade for pc yet?
@@idkwhattohaveasausername5828 there are some guides on steam.
@idkwhattohaveasausername5828 one of the current most popular mods on the nexus does just that!
@@idkwhattohaveasausername5828 I haven't used it, but if you look up 'Simple Fallout 4 Downgrader nexus', you might find what you're looking for.
@@LordDarrenysus downgrades you? I saw some other ways to do it but I don’t think it’s as easy as just downloading the mod
Read the included mods and look those mods up for when they were actually released on Nexus...Thank you for the mod Ive had for 6 years...
The baseball thing reminds me of the bug with the Harpoon Launcher that if you use the Flechette ammo mod for it hits make the body have extra ammo in them when you loot them.
the models for the homemade weapons creation club thing didnt download properly so now im stuck with the infamous bethesda "!" missing model foe weapons
Ahhh, the New Vegas style update that just shoves a bunch of junk in your face when you step out into the wastes. Why???
At least it didn't stick a bunch of OP equipment into our back pockets I suppose?
And to add after watching the whole vid: Wow. That was actually shite. XD
At least you could turn those off.
I would actually prefer if they just stuffed shit into your inventory because that way you wouldn't get your quest log filled with shit "quests" and locations these CC mods use wouldn't get fucked up by them. Instead, you could just throw it all into a random container the second you get out of the vault and never think about it again.
Most of the time when people download a mod, they want access to right away. So, when these modders made their mods, they just give the quest to you right away.
I just finished your Fallout survival playlist and omg youre voice is so different now i thought this was a different channel (great videos tho)
"Never change, Jon" they say...
...but he changed
He just sped up and intensified in jon-ness I gave grown to thoroughly love it
While the new makeshift weapons are broken on console (invisible weapons that shoot red & white exclamation marks) and mods for a lot of us are still inaccessible, I am actually very surprised they managed to fix downtown Boston and many other areas. My game used to crash/freeze literally EVERY time I tried navigating these areas, but now I can sprint around and engage in combat and usually the worst I get is a few frame stutters here and there. That's a huge change I'm very happy with. But I really hope they fix whatever is breaking the mods page, I can't download anything and Bethesda hasn't said a word about it yet.
Hey, its you! I remember watching your Fallout new vegas kill everyone run from like, 7 years ago.
I'm sad that Jon didnt realize that the nail gun is like the railway rifle and can pin heads to walls.
Also he just picked up a tesla cannon, the weapon from Fallout 3 famous for one-shotting vertibirds, and continues to use the flaming balls he's used a million times. Then he goes "this is the weapon for the job" and I get all excited that he's realized, but no. He pulls out the lame pig nuke he's also already tried instead. Infuriating. Oh and then he goes on later to say it's like another weapon from New Vegas that is NOT the tesla cannon instead of remembering what it's EXACTLY like. Double infuriating.
you can already get so many cool weapons on Nexus. I just downloaded an awesome handmade revolver after the weapons expert guy from the Royal arsenal museum (or whatever) said it was pretty cool and actually not unrealistic. The piggy bank launcher is the kind of idiotic novelty I would never use, same for the grenade launcher with a silencer. Again, you can get any number of cool weapon mods already, even in console. I could care less about all the Enclave content that’s just going to be more of the same crap CC “content” without any significant or intersting non-voice-acted quests. This was so not worth ruining my PC game in which I was finally experiencing a bug-free playthru of SS2 after they did some major patching. The ass-kicker is I had Steam set to update only on launch and I only *ever* launch thru Vortex via f4se but somehow, a couple of days ago, my game updated anyway. I’m livid. So I figure I’ll try to install all three chapters of SS2 on my Xbox S series in spite of the idiotic 2g limit only to find a bug in which my storage is set to 0 free space in spite of having no mods installed. I’m really bummed out by this pointless update.
Oh yeah, and VATS is acting like I have the perk where you can shoot VATS thru walls. Except I can’t.
I started a new save after a few years of not touching the game and for me at least on PC even with 2 mods that required script extender, they are still working and I haven't had any problems all week. In about 24 or so of game time combined I only had one crash, which was about the frequency when I last played pre-patch. So I cant complain being my mods still work and the performance is pretty much identical. If you didnt tell me there was a patch, outside the pop up missions in game from the creation club crap, I wouldn't have even thought anything had changed. Graphics maxed out look the same, performance is the same as my FPS has been locked with a limiter for a long while now (when I go over 65-70 fps the physics would get really weird when I jus let it run at what the GPU could handle, which was around 90-100, and you could only jump 2 inches high...) and the load times are about the same so far.
The mods I use are very minimal and nothing big, mainly just a few survival difficulty tweaks (like a holotape save system) and as said they all still work, which is weird being they do require script extender and from everything I've seen, its not working for most mods. I guess its still doing what the few i use need from it~
The best part about the Piggy Bank Launcher is all the caps you can pick up after you use it.
I don't know if I should call my fault or Bethesda's fault but I killed the Pyro guy at level 7 with a sneaky shot to the fusion core and found myself wearing the Hellfire power armor at level 7, leading into the rest of the Enclave line and I was totally OP before level 10. Between the X-02 suits the Hellfire suits and the weapons I was able to pick up, nothing can touch me anymore. Kind of broken to me.
This garbage they put it, is incredibly imbalanced and overpowered. No thought was clearly put into such a thing, sadly.
Yeah, most mods are OP and broken which is why I don't normally use weapon mods.
@@gtfokthxbyecya Most modders don't care if their mods are balanced or not.
Jon need to be hired as the official fallout consultant or sum shih
The other way to "duplicate" ammo, is if you have something that shoots reusable ammo (like the harpoon launcher) is to get a legendary Two-Shot version of the weapon. It will duplicate ammo, creating more than you started with...
Not that their hard to find, or buy. But it does work. I put the bowling ball launcher mod on a two-shot Fatman (not permanently) in order to duplicate bowling balls for it, since there are a semi-finite number of bowling balls to be found to create ammo with. And occasionally, they DO go flying off to the Capital Wasteland after being fired.
Saw blades aren't an airfoil like a Frisbee. They would be incredibly inaccurate. Though you might be able to inadvertently fire around corners.
“It just works”
You uh, you fire saw blades at high speeds very often? /j
@@donovanfaust3227 I used to game with people with physics degrees. I also make post-apocalyptic weapons and armour as a hobby.
The Chinese are gonna be pissed that the secret to defeat US military power armor was right under their noses. Baseballs.
Bustards! I could have been playing Fallout London and enjoying some fine British humor, but now we have this instead. And all mods broken. Thanks, Todd, it just works!
There's a mod on nexus that rolls back your game to a pre-udate state. Would recommend.
One step forward, five steps back and a knife in Fallout London's back.