M398 - Upgraded M390? Steel Testing!
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
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Spyderco should send you their entire catalog each year. Your testing and opinions have sold more than a couple to me!
I am just wanted to state how much (a lot much) I appreciate your lack of sponsored host ad reads... I'm always impressed by the genuine, honest work you put into keeping it fair and consistent - and I routinely crack a smile upon hearing the newest video's choice of musical score, too. I am excited to see your upcoming addition to the collective knowledge (as well as to your considerable personal collection of data), by essentially establishing some oxidation testing benchmarks with modern carbon steels.
But no pressure, Pete - we both know how expectations can sap the enjoyability from once-beloved activities. If it's next year - or never - I'm good with it. I enjoy what's here, and I try not to fall into the habit of focusing instead on what's just around the corner. I'm just happy with whatever you decide to share, whenever you're inspired to create.
We love you, buddy - and congrats, by the way, on being noticed so favorably by Sal Glesser himself!
... Maybe put a word in with him about making more 15V knives - so we aren't stuck with the scalpers if we aren't lucky enough to score one during the minutes of availability before they're all snapped up?
Spyderco needs tot make an 18/10 pot steel MULE...
Spydercos maxamet will finally have a worthy challenger
Too late. Husk breast them to it.
On the bright side, you could use the Husk knife for scale material or perhaps toilet paper if you run out.😮
Forget the sisal rope. How many huusk knives can it cut through and still glide through a held sheet of paper?
Lmao
Japanese steel tho
10 for 300dollers ,all 10
I got through 7
Good one! 😂
It was very nice to see you give preference to your family over knife hobby.
Thanks for testing M398.
Very pleased that Spyderco have started working with you. Although their knives tend not to be my style aesthetically, they're by far my favourite company in the knife making game -- because of the attention they pay to the community.
i used to like them but their constant price hikes turned me off, it's getting really crazy!🤑
@@UA-cam-Censorship-Police they are still a steal compared to companies like benchmade though
@@UA-cam-Censorship-Police *SURVEY SAYS BENCHMADE!*
Hmmmm not sure what happened there.... (I don't entirely disagree but it's partly the way of the world at the moment and they're far from the worst offender).
@@jameshealy4594 yeah, bm is still the king of overpricing but spyderco is getting really close.
especially their seki made knives; some of the grivory / vg-10 models are in the ~200 range, meanwhile i can get a us-made hogue rsk1 in g10 and 20cv for $170.
benchmade and spyderco are the apple and samsung of the knife world, you simply pay 30% more for the name.
the only reasons why i prefer spydie over bm are 1: spyderco does a lot of crazy & cool steels and 2: their knives come without bad grinds and funky fit'n'finish (at least those from the us and taichung plants).
speaking of overpriced: the s35vn models from cold steel are ridiculous too since the company was bought by gsm.
@@UA-cam-Censorship-Police -- Yes, it's really the range of steels, their close ties to the community that I like them for. I agree that they're massively overpriced now -- especially outside the USA. If you think they're expensive, try buying one on the UK or Australia. I keep wanting to pick up a Delica in K390, but here in the UK they sell for about $200 -- for a plastic handled knife? GTFO!
Haha! All good Pete! I made those kinda goofy scales myself (so as not to kill your hand)!
It turned out my first batch of mules I sent you had a bad wire edge (lack of sharpening knowledge at that time) and no hand-destruction happened.
I should have put those scales on the MagnaCut Mule of recent, probably would have hurt your hand less than that janky paracord wrap. I just had no idea it was gonna cut 1500 times.
Feel free to get through all your Mule testing first bro, I can wait a couple extra weeks for the knives to come back.
Great video.
Glad to see you back with an edge retention test! You da man, Pete!
More bricky !! Thanks for doing some testing this steel,have been waiting for someone to do it.
It’s good to see a test of this one!
Spymyto just ordered. Half the price of the Slysz Bowie. Micarta on one side, titanium on the other. Peak stainless.
I was very interested to see how M398 would perform. Thanks for the video Pete. Good stuff 👍
Still loving the innovative use of the green screen as a..green..colored screen. It's a meta commentary on the unsuccessful attempted conquest of technology over our osb roots. I appreciate your videos over the years, hope all is well down there.
Steeltoes did some testing and got around 550 with a blunt edge. Then he did this. Today's testing with a 10-11 dps super vitrified triple b stone at 1k achieved 720 cuts in my testing today. Surprised not many gave this steel a fair shake when it dropped 4 months ago. The Mules are 64 HRC
Are you sure the mules are 64? Seems too high, especially for the result's here.
Who is steeltoes, which platform is he on? I dont see any channel's on UA-cam with that name.
@@tacticalcenter8658 oh you’re looking for his UA-cam handle, IronCock
I love your simple approach to knife testing. I cut rope and boxes most often. You give me the best idea of what to expect from my knives. 😊
5:52 Nice
Still steel testing. Love it! 😊
I always find your videos helpful and entertaining. Thanks
Nice! Been digging mine since I got it. Still very sharp after random uses over 4 months or so. Idk how strong it is and I would be scared to hard use it but as far as reasonable uses it's great and like I said VERY sharp still.
Impressed, especially for the decent price here stateside. Only complaint is the spyderco leather sheath... kinda sucks and fits oddly. I'm gonna either make my own or commission a kydex one soon
Edit: forgot to ❤❤❤❤ for chocobo music
Eight years of carpal tunnel, got a love it
I love Spyderco knives. Thanks!
I considered purchasing the M398 mule from the Spyderco factory but seeing the toughness of M398 is lower than M390 I decided hold off on buying it. However, I am looking forward to the “AEB-L” mule from Spyderco.
Excellent review of the M398 steel by the way - I trust your opinions and recommendations more than anyone else on UA-cam. 🫡
I agree on the low toughness. I ended up w/ the spy27 and love it. May grab an aeb-l.
I got the M398 mule, so far no complaints. There are so many amazing ones coming in, t15, AEB-L, 15V. Crimeny
What a great father!! We luv ya Pete !!
Never miss one of your videos they are just great Pete, thanks for the effort. And hey congrats on that mule sent from Sal himself, that is just priceless and awesome, it speaks a lot about the quality of person Sal is, next you'll be designing your own knife, which I'd definitely buy.😁👌👍
I guess by this time Pete has developed muscles from all the cutting no other human has.
I hope you aren't demonotized for using a red marker on the blade.
I love Mule Team knives. I have several.
Pete...thanks mate.
Tsprof tip zero to the clamp holding arm then place on top of rod holding stone with stone at halfway point on edge.
Center clamp attachment would be very helpful. 15 bucks on gritomatic. Dont buy the tsprof one for a 100 bucks or whatever they reaming us for currently.
Cheers mate.
Good ol times when I see a sisal rope test on your channel Pete ! Thanks for another great video
Dude, have you ever seen a mule, they aren't ugly, they can be really cute.
GOLD . PURE GOLD. GOLDEN MAN...❤😂 M 398 HAS CROSS MY SCOPE. I was just testing m390 in the Fara MKM.. Sleeper
I'm so glad I got my m398 mule. It is my food prep knife.
Thanks for another great video, I think m398 is another great steel. However living on a boat means its vanax or magnacut for me. Im Still offering sanctuary for one of your poor long suffering magnacut mules pete. Cheers
steel testing time is the best time!
Also, friend, zip your fly!
This video was the precursor to the announcement of his only fans page lmao
Dicks out for the boys!
AEB-L coming out in 2 weeks, rest up that wrist!
An aeb-l mule? I'd love to see the whole enuff series done in aeb-l. Isn't gonna win any edge retention prizes but it's tough and sharpens like a dream.
@@ninemimesleft Yea it comes out the 18th in mule form
shall we consider that an analog to 14c28n?
Love the green background, it works really goes really with you white tshirt Pete, 👌🏻👍🏻!
Great test and a very relaxing video review to watch.
I recently purchased a Magnacut bladed knife. On the factory edge it developed one micro chip after whittling Oak for approximately 25 minutes, no rolls, just the tiniest chip, virtually invisible.
M390 on the other hand chipped out a little worse, a larger chip, no rolls, and this was after approximately whittling the same Oak chair leg! lol!
Well I felt that I might not removing the right angles from the chair leg might be in contravention of the Geneva convention even though I agree with your " Tactical " advice about getting a few good hits in the old angles!
Great vid, well done, and keep that unevenly over developed right arm of yours in optimum condition with regular maintenance mate!
Best wishes to you and all of your family and loved ones Pete, 👌🏻👍🏻!
I live down the road from spyderco and still haven’t taken the time to have a visit
Can you please do a steel testing with damasteel?! And of course would love to see corrosion testing with damasteel too! Great vids
damasteel would perform exactly the same as cpm154 or rwl34. because it is those steels just with pmc27 (basically power metal 12c27) so maybe just tougher rwl34.
I didnt expected the ff8 battle music :D
showing the edge reflection over the "how to care for your husk" lol
Well done friend
I'm hoping you test one of those 15v Sydercos one day.
M390 was the super steel for 2015 there is a new one where they added titanium
Zipper, Pete.... zipper!
So. The hardness of the carbides isn't going to be what would cause toughness issues at the edge. The volume of the carbides (the ammount a given steel has), and the size of the carbides (like d2, vs cpm d2), are going to be the real factors that play into the toughness.
Which is why the non stainless (or semistainless, as i like to call them) tool steels are the overall best performers with a toughness/wear resistance balance.
And its the reason magnacut is such a big deal, it was able to get an only mc type carbide microstructure, while also being a stainless steel. Therefore having a lower carbide volume, and raising the toughness. But still having good wear resistance because the carbides are harder.
Great job, Pete! And thank you for that!
Thanks Pete!
Two questions: what do u do with all the rope cuttings? Have you ever cut yourself during rope cutting tests? Repetitive motion injury aside, you always look very focused, therefore very safe. Thanks for the excellent infotainment!
Thanks for the video Pete.
Did Pete just say Sal hooked him up? As in Spyderco’s Sal?
Thanks Pete.
Bunnings or wherever you buy your rope from must love you lol.
Be nice to be able to fiddle a little w the steel recipe and hardness. The m398 w a percent niobium-for fine grain and a little nitrogen for same -might improve toughness. We need a ready bake oven for steel dated reference
Pretty fucking cool Spyderco sending you knives👍🏻👍🏻
The Rex76 mule has tested 69.3 hrc. 😮 which is crazy
Kind of surprised you've never done m2 steel
Next we need of video of breeding chocobos
Great video like your reviews and blade steel testing
I've been impressed with m398. Got a custom in it at 64hrc and ground to 0.007 and it's performed better than any stainless steel I've tried yet in holding an edge without needing a touch up. It even beat out Elmax at 64-65 by Cultrotech though some of that might be to blade shape. I still haven't used s125v yet (sold the only knife I had in it before much use but it was the hardest knife ever to sharpen) or s90v (my favorite high carbide stainless) with a custom heat treatment to see where it ranks. Going of tests it's about the same as s125v at the same hardness but slightly different feeling.
Will be interested to see how it does with Gabe. M398 and magnacut are both pretty new to me but I've been enjoying both and they're really moving up my favorite steels lists.
Love the FF battle music xD. Wish they would do another retro FF. Oh and Chocobo music xD. 2 good. Also seeing how tough that rope is b4 you go to super speed. That looks exhausting...
Bloody great!
miss the "To The Max" videos. Would love to see a 15dps run!
Good info. Thanks!😊
“Fluff off and jagoff“ 😂
Interesting M398 Greetings from Switzerland Pirmin 🇨🇭
Great video, thanks.
"The only people that are going are either huge collectors or giant nerds" and scalpers
Australia man wins AGAIN…jeez.
Anyway you could do an “it’s dangerous to go alone. Take this!” With a Japan inspired huusk knife ?
Good morning. do you know the brand casstrom? their sleipner combined with a true scandi grind are great for the outdoors.
When they say it is nog tough, does this matter in a folder or is is tough enough for day to day use?
Thanks Pete. Spyderco lost my interest several years ago. Their innovation is about as exciting as a trip to the gas station. Your vids remain excellent.
i beg to differ. they still release new models and always release new variations of their popular models, and are one of the only makers who have a line of knives entirely dedicated to being rust proof for usage in salt water.
Hi, can you compare m398 with k390 in matter of toughness and edge retention pls?
I really wish they'd redesign the mule and get rid of the hump on the back. The ergonomics would be so much better (IMHO)
They keep adding numbers to the steel and the price tag. And we keep buying them. We all know most super steel knives are used merely to cut open the packaging of your new super steel knife. It's madness.
“Whacked off almost immediately”. I hear ya
Very telling that magnacut with less chromium is more rust resistant, and does a similar amount of cuts with less carbon and vanadium.
FF battle music so good for this
Pete is trying to get a new demographic. Mule and zipper . Naughty man
Just teasing the audience about his upcoming only fans announcement
M398 reminds me of S90v
i wonder how much it takes to own exclusive bladesteel/sprint run rights for a certain Spyderco steel. If I were a smaller knife store owner trying to grow, this would be a no-brainer investment for sho. all of your sprint runs literally sell out within a half hour, and your brand becomes a collector's watch-list, Spyder-affiliated name in the market. hmm
Sounds like a minecraft character is digging in the background
why did magnacut get twice as many cuts as cruwear pm2?
You look super good! You need to post your excercise routine, very curious
might roll it into my next edc overview type vid
hi, which would be your choice, Magnacut, M390 or M398? Can you put them in order #1 the best and #3 the one you prefer the least? Thank you
@CedricAda When are you (if ever) going to test some AR-RPM9?
Curious how it compares to standard 9cr.
It's exactly the same. Larrin put out a good video recently at knife steel nerds on ar rpm 9 or asf7 as he calls it lol
Go team!
Babe, wake up! New knife steel just dropped!!
Nice, vey nice.
The local home improvement store must see u coming for that rope when u pull in the parking lot 😂. Hook me up with one of those mules my friend trade ya though the shipping probably won’t be cheap because I’m in Merica🇺🇸
Given how much higher the content of all the "nice" additives is in M398 than in Magnacut (Cr, Mo, V, W), M398 is probably a lot more expensive than Magnacut.
Spyderco rocks brother 💯🤜🤛👍
Witch sharpening tool is this
Hey Pete, what ever happened to the other half of your testing cutting board?
I know how and when it broke but I was thinking maybe you can get the other half to someone so they can continue on your style of knife edge testing on the same brand of rope for similar-ish results.
Just an idea
Do i review on a fallkniven Modern Bowie
If I could cut as fast as you do I am sure that I would lose count early into the cutting.
Wait until you try Spyderco Golden USA 61-62rc m390/20cv or Reate 61rc secondary hardening m390. They should be in the 800-1000 range give or take.
Everyone is doing m398 a bit soft, not sure what the mules are at.
In anycase, Reate uses liquid nitrogen and 3 tempers in the 500c range. This basically takes the chromium and instead of using it all for stainlessness, converts them into larger and harder carbides. This allows them to be in the 60-61 range and still get high performance at a lower rc.
Where as Spyderco is most likely using a different austenitizing temp and most likely a shorter soak time, plate quench, then Ln2 and low heat temper(s). Aim for a higher rc than the other brands, as they are aiming for 62 average.
So Spyderco will range from 60-62. 60 being better than other brands 60rc but not really that good for m390. 61-62 are really where the golden protocol shines in testing. The other factories Spyderco uses, Taiwan, Japan, Italy etc are not using the same protocol as Golden USA factory. So performance is lower in comparison, even if they are at the same rc. For example Japanese m390 is often around 62-63rc and its performance is lower than that of the golden m390. Perhaps this is due to grain growth from longer soak times? Hard to say because Spyderco doesnt usually disclose their protocols.
Yeah. With proper heat treat it should perform close to s125v at the same hardness. Seen test of Cultrotech m398 at 65hrc and custom heat treatment by Denis Florov and it performed incredible. Then again all their steels do way better than production and you pay for the results. But their m390 does 2 to 4 times better than anyone else. I've been really impressed with their Elmax.
@@D00MTR33 Cultrotech do an amazing job, Denis does the custom heat treatments for them in Rus and does an amazing job. And I remembered seeing the cut tests your referencing! Their n690 does as good as most of the mass production m390 on the market (most m390 on the market sucks btw).
But yeah a custom heat treat will do way better than mass production. But Spyderco and reate show that it can be done good if companies care. Its sad most companies want to charge more but not heat treat them correctly.
Peters best m390 is a 60rc mule from Taiwan and a 61rc bestech m390. Both perform pretty low for what m390 is capable of. Funny how the bestech at their best can't even out perform Spyderco at 60rc. And they charge like 300-400 for most of their m390 and 20cv. People are getting ripped off.
@@tacticalcenter8658 yeah, a quality heat treatment makes more difference than the steel choice. In the test I'm talking about (done by ruskan kiyasov, a Russian knife chanel) the best m390/20cv results were zt456 (because of small blade length) and CKF with Protect Malibu doing pretty well as well. But they all got beat by Cultrotech s45vn, n690 and even Damasteel.
The best stainless steels edge retention wise I've experienced so far are m398 at 64hrc from Assassin's Knives custom (he buys his steel from professional Russian heat treaters), Elmax from Cultrotech and magnacut on a DCC Pryguy at 64-65hrc. But that's kinda of a given for being custom. I haven't tried Reate m390 but I've always liked my para 2s in m390 and in Elmax with a Krein regrind to 0.005. They perform great and being so thin they cut like lasers and are easy to touch up or resharpen.
Spyderco has been stepping up lately and doing even better heat treat protocols by working with Triple B on magnacut and 15v. I hope he helps them improve a few other steels.
Hahaha. Pete, XYZ.
Nice, been waiting for this
🕸️🤜🔪🤛🕸️
I always want to go back and plan final fantasy after watching these. Love the channnel and all the great content!! Fuck Husk Japan
But how does it compare to a Huusk knife?