Hasbro Should Stop Doing This! Star Wars Black Series Blunders #5
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- Опубліковано 13 лют 2024
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I just got The Mandalorian version of the Death Trooper. My gripe is when they don't weather the back of the figure.
Oh the Credit Collection version?? Thanks for watching, Tom! -Justin
I know, I know. It's like I have a little Sidious on my shoulder, whispering in my ear. "Buy it! Buy it now!"
Yes that’s ridiculous.
the remnant stormtrooper is one of my favorites. simply adding a dark wash over the crevices of the figure will make it look absolutely incredible. I really think hasbro did an amazing job with it, but I feel the opposite with most releases and prefer no weathering at all because I do a better job at weathering my own figures.
Agreed. I'd prefer no weathering on the normal troopers. -Justin
"Hasbro, will you shut up and listen to us! SHUTDOWN ALL THE INKJET PRINTERS ON THE DETENTION LEVEL, Will ya!"
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I love customizing my Star Wars figures and weathering is one of my favorite aspects. I find it relaxing and cathartic in its own way; don't ask why. All that is to say, let Hasbro make factory pristine Stormtroopers and leave the weathering part to me. Or, as you said, give it the personal touch and not digital.
Good video, as always!
Yep I actually prefer clean than the photo-real weathering for the most part. Especially for things like Clone Troopers. Just release them clean! -Justin
Totally agree. Let buyers weather their own figures and subtract photo real/inkjet weathering from the cost of each figure. Weathering is pretty easy.
All my homies hate the poop troops. Besides the obvious Sandtrooper, the original Captain Rex is a great example of weathering done right.
I like the order 66 clone weathering
Fully agreed! Thanks for checking out the video, Zoo. -Justin
True, the Order 66 pack was pre photo-real IIRC. Pretty great weathering! -Justin
This one I semi agree with. It doesn't really bother me that much though
Oh for sure! This isn't a deal breaker or anything. It's just one area where we think it can be improved. Thanks for watching, Hunter! -Justin
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Great video guys. When Justin says “ we hope they come out with a clean one”- and you look at Nate’s expression… it’s like “ yeah right- it’s never going to happen “… lol thanks for an awesome topic guys.👍👊💯
I'm actually fairly certain a clean version is happening! That's good. -Justin
Couldn’t agree more guys. The old methods of weathering just looked better. I especially think army building is hurt when every figure has the exact same wear pattern. There’s not the natural variations that hand weathering gives. Thanks and keep up the good work.
I’d rather get no weathering at all, honestly! Thanks for watching, Gerald. 🙏🏻 -Justin
I also agree with the hate for the weathering on the aforementioned figures… that’s why I’m honestly happy when Hasbro doesn’t weather figures anymore because they just don’t look great. I miss the earlier weathering in the line where it actually looked realistic
Yeah I actually prefer when the troopers are just completely clean! Thanks for watching, Xander. -Justin
Damn the close up shots of our boy Wolfe hurts the soul
Definitely prefer having no "weathering" over this bantha poodoo style they are doing!
Solid Video guys 💯
I had to bust out the macro lens and see what it could do! Thanks for checking out the video, Fig. -Justin
Great point, guys! Totally agree 💯
I haven't really noticed that much myself because I bought a lot of Sandtroopers back when they first came out. I haven't been convinced to get any more troops because I already had plenty. I do have the Target Exclusive Garbage Shoot Luke Stormtrooper because he's extra shiny and I wanted the "wet hair" Luke. Luke's my favorite character, so I pick up almost every Luke, but that's the first thing I thought about Luke when I got it, that it looks like poop!! Same with Rex. Lol
Thanks for checking out the video! Take care. -Justin
Doesn't bother me too awful much. My eyesight is slowly deteriorating as I get older so the perfectly pixelated patterns simulating weathering and dirt, usually only on the front of the figure and not the back, bothers me less than how short they made the Baylan Skoll figure. Ray Stevenson 6'3", Ivanna Sakhno 5'8" not the same height.
Eat those carrots! And yeah we just had our Baylan and Shin review go up the other day, oof! Thanks for checking out the video. -Justin
Good video guys, I hope this video tanks the aftermarket price on the marshmallow Stormtrooper lol I don’t have that one yet
Jk all jokes aside I did enjoy the vid.
Luckily I had a generous subscriber send me one. I could not find it either! -Justin
I totally hear what you're saying. I didn't realise the 'weathering' on Migs was 3D printed. I painted out the stripe on his arm and then did the rest of the armour so the colour matched. So glad they didn't put any on the 'Appo' trooper, I bought 3 and want them all to look different. I'm doing all the weathering on them myself and painting the entire armour wouldn't have been much fun!
Yeah for troopers I'd rather they apply no weathering. Just all clean. -Justin
On some like Miggs (in Imperial disguise) it does look pretty bad. Partly that's because the grime on his feet and legs is a different colour to that on his chest. Other figures I don't look as bad. I mean when they're on the shelf they look ok.
I do agree that the painted not printed look is best. The slight variations are great.
Oh and I love me a removable helmet when done right. Caps and hats too. Cad Bane is a good un. He can hold his hat in his hand or wear it at a jaunty angle. Now they're giving us clones with removable bucket. C'mon Hasbro do the same with the Stormies. Who's with me? 😀
We don't like the fact that the Clone Troopers have removable helmets. It makes for wonky proportions since they have to sculpt it to fit that head in there. Alt pegs would make for better proportions. -Justin
I really hate the photoreal weathering. It doesn't remotely have the desired result the way that it does with faces.
Totally agreed. -Justin
It's me. I'm the one who prefers 💩troops.
I don't think the digital dot matrix painting is going away; this is likely a cost saving measure but perhaps they could improve it. The appearance doesn't bother me, and the remnant trooper is in fact one of my favorite troopers; not necessarily because of how good it does or doesn't look but S1 of the Mandalorian is the reason I collect toys today and I love the scene where the remnant troopers and Mando were fighting.
My mentality towards collecting is not; "oh man, grab a magnifier and look at those paint apps, I can see little dots". it's, "oh man, I have the representation of this awesome character on my shelf". So I'm willing to overlook minor issues like a slightly less than real-looking paint app.. or a figure that's an inch to short.. ok maybe not that last one.. but regardless I don't really notice the paint issues when I'm standing 2-3 feet away looking at my shelf -- but I can see where some people would have an issue. Pick your battles, I say. Character height/likeness is much more important than deco apps; in my humble opinion.
The dots aren't deal-breakers. This is simply a video expressing where we could see improvements. It's not like I'm gonna stop collecting these or anything. We cover all sorts of topics and sometimes that includes areas that we're not big fans of. I don't expect the dot matrix painting to go away, just a random topic we thought of. -Justin
I understand that and don't disagree; it could be improved. I was just explaining why it doesn't bother me personally. Thanks for replying Justin.
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I like consistency figure to figure even though it's not ideal for troops. Don't have any digi weathered figures, but seems like toning down the colors seems would help.
Yeah a lot of bright/cartoonish looking colors in the line lately. I'd like to see that stop real quick. -Justin
The problem is, if Hasbro doesn't use the ink-jet printer to apply the "weathering", their only other option is to utilize a warehouse full of underpaid Chinese workers to apply it by hand (the infamous "paint apps") which will give you a much better result, but at a much higher per-unit cost. I think a possible middle-ground would be to print the weathering using more than one color, which would allow them to anti-alias the "dirt" somewhat and so it blends into the underlying color. But I agree completely--the one-color weathering just doesn't work.
That opens the door to would you pay more for a better product? -Justin
@@OutOfTheBasement Hasbro has shown us in the past that they're capable of doing quality weathering without raising the price point, so who knows? I doubt the current CEO is willing to shave the profit margin on a single figure to elevate the community good will, because you can't quantify it on a spreadsheet.
Personally i prefer a clean figure because i do the weathering myself, but if a figure is gonna be weathered, i think with some revision, digital weathering can look better than the older style of weathering. I think for characters in armor like stormtroopers and clones the digital works better, but for characters like baylan with natural materials it doesnt work as well I know alot of people love the rex figure, but on my copy because of the way he was weathered, his chest and lower body were basically stained yellow while his legs and arms were still primarily white. Ideally what id like to see would be army builders having some variant weathering patterns that can get printed on, and named characters like rex or cody would only need the specific weathering pattern.
I would peronslly prefer the troopers to just be completely clean. Thanks for checking out the video! -Justin
I understand why they do it this way, it's to make sure all the figures come out the same, like with the hand painting you could have one figure that has great paint apps and another of the same figure that could end up with crappy paint apps, and when they were doing the plastic-free packaging you couldn't see if the figure had good or bad paint apps.
I wouldn't want all weathering to look the same on every figure though. That's just me. -Justin
Hello Justin and Nate thanks for sharing your thoughts on the digital weathering.
I agree with you both, I was never able to get the Remnant Stormtrooper figure but I do have Commander Wolf.
I'm wondering, I've got the clean R5-D4 and I'm guessing the R5-D4 with pit droids will have weathering to make him different from the standard release. I hope Hasbro does a better weathering on him.
I definitely want them to go back to non digital painting for weathering on the figures and hit the back side of them as well.
Thanks again guys for sharing your thoughts on this subject, I appreciate it. Take care and I'll catch you Friday. Tom
Hey Tom! Thanks for checking out the new video. Really appreciate you sharing your thoughts! -Justin
"Poop troop Luke" 😂👍
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I genuinely love the Remnant Stormtrooper, one of the few times I feel they did weathering decently.
Put on a Jedha pack and some extra gear like a Mimban cape and they look really rough and ready.
That's fair! Glad you enjoy it. -Justin
I think you are right guys! I have the same critics. Good episode. Thank Nate & Justin.
Thanks for watching! -Justin
Agree that paint apps have declined significantly in the line. As much as engineering and articulation have improved, paint apps have declined. I think it’s labor costs in Asia where these things are painted that is driving a lot of it. Hand painting is driving up the toy companies manufacturing budgets per figure and reducing their profit margin. So they are looking at different ways to paint figs for less cost. Spector creative had a really good video awhile back about how paint apps have changed across mass produced figures in the last few years.
It’s not surprising that a tiny figure like wicket got nicer paint on it. They could do that with that figure and still hit the overall budget per figure since it is so small and used less plastic, had fewer joints, etc. Krsaantaan came with a higher price point to get that paint.
I actually really like the remnant trooper. I think the combo of what you guys call the toasted marshmallow effect together with all the flaked paint effect on that particular figure is pretty effective. But overall, I do agree the older hand painted weathering was much better.
The question is, would you want to pay more to get that quality of paint? I personally would. I have been saying for awhile that I would like to see the black series jump up to a 35-40 per figure price point so we can get back to better paint apps and piece count and less unpainted plastic in a line that was conceived as “the ultimate version” of action figure for these characters. Sign me up.
Would the community as a whole be okay with the $35-$40 price point though? You gotta remember it's the Black Series community. I feel like price sticker-shock drives this community's overall opinions on everything. A lot of people aren't thinking about actual paint hits, piece count, etc. As always I appreciate you checking out the video and sharing your thoughts, Jhawk! -Justin
@@OutOfTheBasement no I think you’re totally right. most people complain about the price already. Of course they also complain about the lack of paint and lack of accessories. They just don’t want to pay more for quality. They expect more for nothing.
I would gladly pay it, but I’m likely in the minority. I also don’t really collect any other lines, so My toy budget is completely dedicated to black series, so that certainly drives my perspective. Star Wars has always been special to me and I will gladly pay for the line to be top tier
I loved the weathering from the original releases of the sandtroopers, sad how that has died out
Those Sandtroopers are so awesome! -Justin
Shit hot news from the Land of Englandlandlandshire!!! Had a rando message from has-bro-low and I've just pre-order-rated the BS Stormtrooper Hell-Mhett! Not heard a peep from the Kum-muu-ni-tee about this. Apart from the Biker Scout, this is about the only helmet I've actually wanted other than ESB Boba, which I have... Rejoice ye, rejoice Ye!! Let us all sing and dance in the streets!!
Dancing in the streets like a bloody wanker sausage! -Justin
@@OutOfTheBasement J!!! Dancing in the street like a bloody wanker "Bathtubber" sausage!! 😃 😀 🤣
I think it’s over criticized like the Super Battle Droid looks great imo, but I’ll agree with Wolffee, which the paint ruins an otherwise great figure
The Super Battle Droid sculpt looks incredible, but those random deco hits aren't it. -Justin
Hasbro should include a small bottle of highly toxic factory brown paint in each box for those custom worriors out there.
Yeah sure
Morak & Baylan have terrible looking weathering. Ohh that oxidation is just not good at all. Shin's weathering looks better , but not great. The P1 helmet from Dok Ondar is great weathering , need more like that. I believe they could still give us some good weathering. Thanks guys for the video.
I think Shin may have some actual dry-brushing on her, which is why it looks a bit more natural. That P1 helmet that comes with Dok is pretty nice! -Justin
It is annoying, you can't beat hand-painting
True that! -Justin
I just think weathering shouldn't really be a thing. I'm not a fan of having figures look dirty when I get them. I don't see the appeal of weathering.
I feel I should clarify a little. When doing specific characters from a specific scene, then I think the weathering is welcome. What I don't want is regular troopers or characters having weathering. A regular Stormtrooper or Clone shouldn't, but remenent troopers and Captain Rex should have weathering.
Yeah especially for things like troopers, I'd rather them just release clean ones! -Justin
😬 yeah they need to fix that
It'd be nice! -Justin
I would mind less if it was a cleaner pad printing process like Lego. But digital printing is inherently the antithesis to weathering which is meant to recreate something natural.
Right, I'd prefer it if they didn't weather at all on troopers. -Justin
For the super battle droid Hasbro was very clear that the mainline super battle droid was going to be clean of weathering. The one in the two pack was meant to be scene specific to the battle droid that falls on 3PO
Yep we are really hoping that tracks! -Justin
@@OutOfTheBasement I think the designers explicitly mentioned it during the last stream
Yep, photo real weathering doe not work at all because it looks to pixelated & spoils the look just like what happened to the remanant stormie, which I will never get or want unless they improve on the weathering , better off getting a 2020 stormie & weather it up yourself with washes etc D.I.Y it lol great vid as always
Totally agreed, Apollo! -Justin
"One step forward, one step back." - Hasbro, probably
Not sure if I'd go that far. This isn't a deal-breaker or anything. -Justin
It’s just another cost saver and i think it would be better is they just didn’t apply it at all.
Yeah I prefer the clean look on troopers! -Justin
With the chatter about Hasbro Star Wars not breaking even, along with tge various other Disney properties, weathering may be the least of our worries.
Hasbro tanking as a company is much larger than their niche adult collector lines. -Justin
This is the only reason I've never bought wolffe, I just know if I had him I'd be disappointed.
Yeah the poop smear is real on that figure! -Justin
The digital printing is being used wrong, the little fine details on the figure like Mandos mini bombs should be digitally printed. Weathering and dirt should always be applied
Thanks for checking out the new video! -Justin
Hasbro has those Q&A sessions with fan sites from time to time. I know they are all pre-planned with easy softball questions with no real answers, but maybe someday this subject will come up and someone will ask the SW Team what actually happened to the paint process. And do they even care. I say this all the time I’ve become a parakeet, but every time Hasbro takes one step forward, they also seem to take two steps back. Just once I’d like to see them achieve an advancement without it sacrificing two other features. Paint wash, weathering, weapons detail, and even basic things like accurate colors (cough cough orange lightsabers cough cough) have all taken a beating the past couple years. Why?
My guess would be budget. Hasbro is tanking pretty hard as a whole. It's probably a cheaper process. -Justin
I legit LOVE the Remnant
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Is that the only Phase II Wolffe that we have? And do you believe that they'll release a clean B2 Super Battle Droid?
As far as 6 inch figures go he is the only Wolffe we have period. Yes, we believe the single packed version will be clean or will at least have different paint than the 2 pack release. Thanks for watching -Nate
No weathering should ever be the same on army builders either. It's literally clones.
I’d be fine if they just stopped attempting the weathering. -Justin
@@OutOfTheBasement I would not complain either
True, especially for figs like clones really annoys me, JUST DO IT PROPER! P.S Fig came and I want to thank ye lads for it again, looks excellent signed by the boys on my shelf!-Tom
That's awesome that the package came all safe! -Justin
We need some new tie fighter pilots and snowtroopers and a bantha for the tusken raiders keep collecting out of the basement 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
That would be cool. -Justin
I couldn't find a Remnant Trooper back in the day so I made my own...looks pretty good..I reckon alot of collectors tweak there figures for optimal greatness..cheers boys🍺🍺🍻
Very cool! -Justin
I love my crappy Stormtroopers, how dare you insult them, is because your racist and they are not CLONE TROOPERS. Great vid guys
Thanks for checking it out, Soupdragon! -Justin
I thought wolf came out good I have no problem with the paint on him
That's fair! Just really gives me a "poop troop" vibe when the rest of his armor is completely clean. -Justin
@@OutOfTheBasement I think the could do a better bottom part of wolf boots and shin guards
But at least his hand grenade has the paint apps on it for the Remnant Stormtrooper.
I don’t think remnant trooper has a grenade accessory. -Nate
@@OutOfTheBasement The round canister on their belt at the back that’s the grenade. It was made that way as a visual cue to the German “stick” hand grenades of WW2.
@@nicholasdickens2801 Oh okay, I thought you meant he came with a separate one.
@@OutOfTheBasement Sorry I should have been specific.
I must be in the minority., I don't mind the "marshmallow" trooper, but I can see the point. They look great on my shelf lol peace 😂
Thanks for checking out the video! -Justin
It looks like plastic decals not paint The “battle damage” on grievous looks like stickers 😂 really cheesy looking
Agreed! -Justin
I liked my Mando jizzz fig ohh that was snow no lol I didn't know that was snow I thought he had been demoted from bounty hunter to jack booth cleaner naww this is lol but I bought it cause the onley actual Mando figure I've seen on the shelf I had a arms that onley up and downed the waist swiveled the legs don't move at all figure iam gen-×/D-x I was litterley about to risk sacrificing a Boba fett fig and repainting it my self just to have a Mando t.v. figure I've been touching up eye brows abd little paint flaws for years but never a hole figure not since the led figures / miniatures me and fellow needs painted back in the real D&D days before any wizard of the coast bullshit back when it was a now extinct company called t.s.r any way ive been tempted too exacto off the snow bull shit and get out the touch up paint and repair any thing I might have a discrepancy with but ide rather just buy one done right and I've seen all over the utube this new Mando with a cloth cape and now hasbro executive jizz allover his outfit but living in action figure hell indep. Missouri I doubt I'll ever see that one on the shelf it will be time too over pay so.e one with plastic money to go get one on the internet or to wait it out for its hundredth reboxing or tell the put more corporate jizz on it now thats a lol moment
Thanks for watching, Tommy! Appreciate you sharing your thoughts. -Justin
Poop troop Luke😂
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