Watercooling the Tiny Dan A4 - Is it Worth it?
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Can a 92mm AIO really cool an 8700K with room to spare? Let's find out..
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The Chimera Cerberus & Cerberus X just arrived today, content on those around the corner!
Next up will be 2080 Ti testing though.
Thanks for watching!
Why my brother doesn't have a billion subs
Can't wait for your take on the Cerberus, I love that case.
Super excited for this, are you planning on using an ATX or SFX power supply? Would like to see the differences in how they fit with different CPU coolers.
Now try the ghost s1 and the small top hat with this components + it's only 1liter longer and it's spine based ^_^
ok next ...get 2 cases and use the 2nd for the radiators and so on :P
FYI, AceTek released a new version of this AIO specifically designed for this specific case, the 645LT, which has a 90 degree had fitting so that the water tubes sit right on top of the fan (with a grille) so that the PSU fits without difficulty.
I got this case about two months ago but still haven't built my rig yet. Your channel has been an invaluable source of info! Love your no nonsense videos!
I was find your channel just 2 days ago and is definitely one of the most underrated pc channel in youtube. Nice job mate
Thanks! Glad you enjoy the content
I'm a big fan of this build. Absolutely beautiful and such a small form factor :)
Love those mini cases. But finding the right pc components is difficult sometimes..Awesome video quality as always!
Overclockers.uk.co for the cooler
Currently building one to
You and Kyle did these builds around the same time, its cool seeing how both of you dealt with there restrictions. I gotta say i think your build is a lot nicer .
Thank you so much for making this video for all the Dan Case fans out there mate.
my go to chanell for quality sff content
i love this build! just a few more pennies and i can affor the Dan A4 case soon. Thanks for the helpful info!
Great work, using I7-7820X overclocked a bit, using a 1080 reference. Now on my desk and even with the slim cable I had a hard time getting it closed, had to use zip ties to the top of the case to keep the fans clearance, it works but took forever to get a clean run of cables and tubing, closing the case had me thinking of grinding the inside, just kidding
Nice job man, personally I used a fan grill and the fan as push, I have the pump at the same angle as you but the side panel still pops out sometimes xD but I agree with you it's an impressive AIO .. Great video !
Performance wise it may look like a firecracker, but it's a damn bomb. Great job!
You could try to 3M tape a slim 80mm fan to the side panel over the pump block for motherboard cooling if there is enough room. Maybe. Otherwise make sure to use a motherboard with high quality VRM components and heat sinks that can handle the higher temps.
Yeah, I was wondering the same (as I plan to put two Samsung 970Pro nvme) is it possible to mount 1 or even 2 tiny fans on the holes of the side panel. Around the liquid-cooler-block there seem to be some space. But I don't know about the back mounted m.2 SSDs? They would happen to be right between the Mobo & GPU backs ... seems like a very narrow space without much options to cool it?
Yes you can, why not. Everything is possible but would it look good I am not sure.
With small cases like this I doubt everything is possible. And looks are not priority - space management & thermals are ... but thanks anyway ;)
If the motherboard standoffs are the same as most larger cases, there should be enough room for an EK NVMe heatsink to fit back there. I'm planning for an ITX build with dual 970s and need a way to cool the back one. I would think running RAID 0 with one drive throttling while the other doesn't could cause some issues. They less than $20 on Newegg.
dual nvme 970s is a must for me too. Not for raid-0 (as I understand large capacity SSDs don't benefit much from raid-0 since they already operate internally in similar mode) but because I often need to switch between OSes (Linux & Win) for work related projects.
That Team Group Dark Pro RAM you've used it the past will also fit with this set up providing you remove the heatspreader tips. It's on the limit, but your RAM can be upto 37mm tall and still allow you to close the side panel.
Great in-depth video. Amazing you could squeeze that into 9min.
Glad you enjoyed!
I'm in a unique situation that needs me to be able to stuff my PC in my backpack and go somewhere
This was a really helpful video
This was the most stressful build I've done took over a day's time over 3 days
My i7 8700k and 2080 Ti run happily but my m.2 is thermal throttle quite often, gonna slap a 40mm fan on it soon
Hello, did the 40mm fan solution end up working? Am going to try this build too
The part where you mentioned needing additional screws to secure the noctua 92mm fan. The mounting bracket kit comes with 4 compatible screws
7:54 my ocdness would of redo everything until it sat flush
I might get one of these for my DAN A4... I have an 8700K running the Noctua L9 (with a full size 92mm noctua fan instead of the slim version). It is able to run a decent boost even with a synthetic load but it is juust on the limit of thermal throttling.
I know I'm a bit late to the party, but for anyone who sees this and is interested; I have this setup w/ the de-lidded 8700k overclocked to 5GHz and I have no problems in games, but if I stress all 6 cores it overheats.
I just built my Dan a4 v4 pc with the same cooler and was a good build. Just wish I could find some shorter wiring to better cable manage it or know where to buy to make my own. Great video
You will find something in google. Cablemod for example lets you configure your own wires.
You should take a look at cyrorig new c7 cu, it's the same as the c7 but made completely out of copper. Great video btw
They just sent it over for review, video on that soon 😃
Excelent, i will keep tuned for that!
I bought and then sold the case and the 92mm aio last year because of my personal cash flow problem. Now I’m regret because i heard they don’t produce the 92mm aio anymore.
Clean setup, but I prefer the Phantek Shift as it has more room, better airflow and a smaller footprint.
John Gray but its much much larger in volume and not that easy to build for its size though it looks cool and takes a small footprint
Was waiting for this video!
Awesome, a lot of viewers were! Personally a really enjoyable video to make and test.
You can mount a 92mm slim fan under the motherboard(extremely tight) and just float a 120mm slim fan over the motherboard in the corner.
Great video and would love to see the results with an AMD in there. To go fully balls to the wall it would be great to try and fit custom micro hard tubing setup in there together with custom cables off course.
Excellent vid man
You should try to mount an aio on a gpu while maintaining the original shroud... I haven't seen anybody do it, and that's right up your alley!
This is too much compromise. Bring the C4! But I bet it's more than a year away from release.
C4???
Zach Cornell the timebomb, u are not a cs player.
Nah just joking, another designing dan case with aio
Why is the 545LC's radiator+fan mounted on the bottom of the case? Isn't that a design flaw?
This way you either have to PUSH it downwards and compensate for the natural motion of hot air going UP,
or you have to PULL hot air inside the case :/
It seems more logical to have the 545LC radiator mounted on the top, so that the tubes take the heat there w/o warming anything else inside and then the fan (being under the radiator in this case) would PUSH-UP the hot air. (both the GPU & PSU are pushing their hot air to the sides of the case anyway)
And another question is the space between the Noctua fan & PSU (give also the cables & tubes in the way) enough?
Thanks for the great video, and (in advance) for the answers! :)
Would love to see how this works out with an HDPlex 400
Would love to see your take on a Phanteks Shift case to see if its worth watercooling in that!
Can you please make a thorough comparison between Alpenföhn Black Ridge (120mm slim fan, vlp RAM and appropriate motherboard) and Asetek 645LT?
Not only the CPU but the overall impact on the system, GPU and motherboard temps, limiting factors, caveats (and everything else I'd expect from an Optimum Tech video=)).
Optimum Tech, have you tried to rotate radiator by 180, so that tubes start near the DDR and lay above the CPU socket?
This way the tubes won't block an airflow from the fan, but you'll need to install it first, mobo second. Also it will be easier to install the PSU, because there will be no tubes beneath it.
Great vid! Wonder if this could fit in a Ghost S1 when a small SFX PSU like the corsairs were used...
Shit, That case 1:35 looks sick. 😳👏👍
I just built this exact setup and let me first off recommend AGAINST building this for the reasons below.
1.There is a lot of pressure to make the cables and pump align, enough to be very worrisome even if you do make it all fit.
2. The psu cables literally sit right on the noctua fan. If you MUST build this, buy a fan grill!
3. Trying to close the side panels on this is a joke.
4. You can make it work, but it is a HUGE pain with lots of worrisome issues. Lots of pressure on the 24 pin as well as the motherboard itself. I would literally never recommend this build to anyone.
In the end i disassembled mine and will be putting a different cooler on as I could not get the side panels to fit with the tubing protruding.
You have been warned!
Why didn't you go with the HDPlex PSU? Would have given you a lot more room!
Can this cool a i9-9900k?
They're both 95w tdp processors so it should get similar cooling performance but don't quote me on that. We won't know for sure until someone tests it..
seriously one of my favorite channels, how did you come up with that logo it sorta looks Chinese? is it?
Could you try swapping to HDPLEX 400W HiFi DC-ATX and use a 120mm AiO for the CPU where the internal power supply would be?
Must have been something wrong with your corsair aio as it has a better fan and more surface area for dissipation.
the one at 1:34 would be really tricky to put in my backpack ;) (and carry)
Hey guys what you think about cooling the CPU with black ridge /noctua fan and cooling the GPU with a 92mm AIO and kraken g12 ?!
Nice review. Personally I prefer 120mm AIO setup, do you think H60 would also fit without any issue? (radiator on H60 is 157x120x27, H55 is 152x120x27) Thanks
Will the Asetek 645 work too ? The 545 is not available in my region..
seems like the 645 is the updated version and specifically designed for a case like this. So yes, this cooler should fit even better than the 545.
Run this cooler with an i7 9700k temps flux in gamming between 80 and 100 and it sounds like an yet emgine
I want to build in this case but the cpu cooling would be an issue. I guess ima wait for the c4 to come out.
The Ncase M1 is also a stellar option, I know it's been around for a while but running 240mm in that thing is pretty unreal.
So would cutting up a Cryorig C7 fan to fit on that radiator be a sin? I mean, you get better cooling and you don't need to buy a special fan.
Dalton P you’d be better off using a TY-100 fan by Thermaltake and cutting that to fit. It’s been tested, it performs much better than the Noctua fan
Hey dude, love your vids. I have been researching the best size to temperature ratio for a mini itx case build. Would you say, as far as your experience goes, that the ncase m1 is the best, smallest and overclock capable case out there? I love the size of the Dan and the Ghost S1, but lets be real, cooling those things is a real pain. I would appreciate your opinion.
At the moment, I think the NCase M1 is unbeatable in that regard. 240mm AIO is no issue 😎
Business trip lol. You can get a laptop for that, it's all-in-one and you can get an XPS 15 with a 1050.
If you're taking a desktop on business trips, you're utterly insane lol.
If you had custom cables, could you fit a fan under the motherboard to keep it cool?
Why not mount the fan under the radiator in a pull configuration to avoid any chance of contact with the blades?
Because the tubes of the rad wouldn't fit
@@filipxhd i have actually seen one person did this and he fit it lol in hardforum
@@kennysughiarto2780 oh okay. I am considering about building a pc in that case so I will probably try this out. Thank you
@@kennysughiarto2780 but still don't know if Push or pull not because of the cables but because of the fresh air from the bottom but then there would be more hot air in the case than if it was pulled out. But then when I think about a laptop as alternative then every itx build does better cooling than a tiny blower fan.
@@filipxhd just keep in mind though even though one person did it doesnt mean u shud do it even dondan ask him to be careful not to break the tubes. The best way is just to use fan grill
maybe a custom loop with a 92mm radiator would work with a pump/cpu block like the alphacool eisberg filling maybe difficult but least the tubing would be the exactly the right length
Hmm that'd be very interesting. I wouldn't be confident manipulating the tubing as much as I did here though lol.
you wouldn't need to manipulate the tubing more, the same size tubing but you could use dual rotarys/ 90's to clean up the awkwardness of the sff case
FFS! 92mm AIO is discontinued, and there's like zero alternatives :|
Nathan Evans I recently bought mine at www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk-tech-labs-92mm-extreme-cpu-liquid-cooling-upgrade-bundle-bu-0cn-tl.html
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Hi guys I see there're some after-market dust-filter sold for the Dan-A4 case (option for external & internal ones):
"DEMCiflex dust filter set for DAN Cases A4-SFX" can be found on caseking.de
The external ones I guess should be easy to "mount" (actually stick), but I wondered if there's enough space for the internal ones ... do you have any experience with such filters on this case?
I see Alot of ppl setting up their fan of the AIO 545 or 645 as Pull , and they claim that this is better because you said so.
However now I see in your video you have a blower Style GPU , is that correct?
I have 645LT But I got the fan as Exhaust because I got an 2080ti XC Gaming which exhausts the heat from its Heatsink in the top and bottom , so I got both my fans ( AIO and below Mobo as Exhaust )
Any opinions ?
I believe on non blower style we should have the AIO as exhaust because if you push air inside the case , it's getting trapped at its conflict with the Air of the GPU and then it just recirculates within...
Use a fan grill, eh?
the aio aint available anymore :/ at least it says page not found -.- damn
I want to water cool the a4 so badly 😩😩😩
Maybe I am a little late, but my brother will give me his v4 Dan Case soon and I am thinking about this watercooling solution. Has anyone tried to remedy the airflow problem with a second fan underneath the motherboard? Dunno about the earlier models, but 4 and 4.1 can have a 15mm thic (just one c) fan there and I was thinking about letting both fans exhaust out the bottom so as to not let one push out hot air and the other one draw it back in...
Do you have a comparison video to full-copper coolers? :3
My idle is @ around 46-48°C with a full-copper cooler and under load not higher than 60°C.
Though there is to say, that my CPU is nether overclocked nor has it a any turbo-clock beyond 3,5GHz.
Nonetheless would be interesting to see a test on that! :P
Quast what cooler are you using?
Hey optimum
For water cooling this case, is braided cabling a bad choice? What about for custom cabling
nice
Hi Ali, I wonder what's your opinion on the EK A240G, a 250$ all aluminium open GPU+CPU loop kit. I'm thinking of getting it for a Ophion Evo build I'm doing.
Do you know how the cooling potential of the 545lc compares to something like the Noctua NH-U9S? I know it can be rear mounted in the Ncase M1, and am considering that set up in my next build.
but can it cool a 3950x?
It seems that 545lc is no longer available.
New version 645LT out next month
So do you have to get the PSU in first and then connect the cables? Seems impossible otherwise.
Do you have a theory on why the 92mm out cooled the 120mm?
Quickshot Gaming Thicker rad, newer pump, higher RPM fan. Could be any of those or all three
Can you fit any more case fans after installing the AIO?
Hey, I watched multiple Dan A4 Videos from you now because I was thinking about buying one and I wondered what are the cables you used for the PSU, I want to use the Corsair SF600 and I now they have big sleeved cables, where can I find slim cables for Corsair SF PSUs?
@@bomas_ulz that actually makes sense, so far I had the SF 600 and SF 750, but both platinum, I should ask corsair if the gold versions have the small profile cables in the video. thanks
I would rather just skip to cheap chinese green RAM just to get even more space to play with
[QUESTION!]: So, I've added the AIO to my system and I get awesome AWESOME CPU temps...but my GPU started overheating like a mofo. I have a rog strix 1070 in there and I can only assume because there is NO free space in the case the card just doesnt have enough breathing room. Did you have GPU temp problems?? What GPU did you use and what temps does it get while gaming?
Before the AIO GPU temps were roughly 70C now they are over 90!
@@hal0mann Are you using a blower style graphics card?
@@Altair9292 I used a evga card. I've bought a bigger case since then. O still love the dan case but I dont travel as much as i used to so going slightly bigger wasnt a problem
could I cool a Ryzen 9 3950x in the Dan A4 case?
How much does it actually weight?
Zotac Geforce GTX 1080 Ti Mini. It exists.
It's still too large for the 120mm AIO layout, trust me I checked :)
I am trying to use the 92mm AIO (645LT) with the i9 9900K, but am seeing temps in the 80s-100s (C) in the Dan Case v4. Is my pump defective or is the CPU not supported?
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I'm using this AIO with a standard i7 9700k default clocks, only fans i have are the aio fan and another noctua a9x14 under the mobo both pulling air in and im hitting 70deg C roughly max when gaming.
Have you tried the Kolink Rocket case? I bought it and its such a mess to build in.. Theres a 80mm top fan included which cant even be used beacuse it interferes with the riser cable..
Thats what happen when you buy dan case rip off.
It'll only hold a gtx 1080, so basically the entire rtx lineup as well.
im wondering if you can install the same aio below the psu of kolink rocket?
Put the 2080 ti into in for the next video
3:30 So are the panels loose then since you removed the push pin mounting points? How did you compensate?
NOSfusion they screw in at the bottom so makes no difference
@@BennyBait Good info, thanks
Hey just curious what motherboard are you pairing with the 8700k in your tests here?
MSI Z370i Pro Carbon AC.
Great board, you need to tweak the bios power limits for the 8700K though.
Thank you!
What’s the mouse pad at 2:30
Get a 2080ti in that case please!
;)
Did you change the microphone ?
Yes, a few weeks ago. Do you prefer it?
No RGB pump? that it must be shit
Does anyone know whether a 3950x ryzen would survive in this case with the aio?
Certainely would, lower a little bit the voltage, it would run colder than a 8700K!
Bro, you basically stole this idea from Bitwit. Same components, same issues. Way to go.
Put the motherboard in last you butt....
can i subscribe 100 times ?
Yes 😀
You deserve man 1 mil subs!
The aerodynamics of these cases just don't seem ideal for thermals. It doesn't make sense to pull air past a hot surface into your case or push hot air from inside a tight compartment through the radiator.
As long as it does not throttling you are good
i am early yay
Any pump noise?
Very, very minor. Only noticeable when booting.