The problem with a lot of companies is management is removed from what they are selling. I worked for a very large corporation and found out all of upper management was marketing grads. They had no clue about the actual commodities they were selling. Had no idea how the customer wanted things and no clue how to handle it properly. Just as long as their marketing schematics were laid out to what they were taught in school. They had no idea the amount of work it took to follow through and wanted way too much done with no labor or time invested into making it happen. They wasted investors money and lost a lot of revenue streams by simply not knowing enough about their own product.
"Golden Axe and Streets of Rage play EXACTLY the same!" Spoken by someone who has clearly never played them. What they actually mean is "it's a side scroller beat em up, who cares? It's not gonna make us rich...er" Gotta love management.
To be fair they do share 90% of the same features and mechanics so I think it would have made financial sense to use the same engine. It was clearly a bad idea to work on the two projects concurrently though when they were already under crunch conditions for a single project.
@@bloodypommelstudios7144 You could perhaps say that about Golden Axe 1 and Sor 1...still prefer Sor1's system but you can't say that about Sor2. Sor2 is in another league compared to how GA plays.
No matter what industry you work most upper management are always worthless pieces of shit that doesn't even know how they should work. Had my nightmare experience of my own. All they care about is to suck up to the higher ups and contribute nothing.
I know *exactly* how Tim feels. I went through the same sh!t just a month ago. When management knows f%ck-all about what your job entails, believe me, there's no pleasing them.
Sega might well have put the canceled game out there to put out feelers to whether there was any interest for a full version. I sincerely hope my theory is right as It would be nice to see a fully finished version of what they showed
Honestly I’d be excited to have a home version of The Revenge of Death Adder. We’ve never received a home port of that and I’m sure tons of fans would love to play it on a console or steam!
Videos like these are very cathartic and serve as a vent for letting out your frustration with companies that are obviously doing things not the way gamers want... I am still pissed that games like golden axe altered beast and many others never made a proper transition to 3D although there were many similar games during that time that were great... I wish the 2008 golden axe game would have been better so that they had continued with the franchise...
Sounds like Sega and it's downfall has much to do with poor management decisions. Look at the way they responded to Streets or Rage Remake. The game was already out there. Segas only sensible choice was to embrace SORR and it's creators. Despite their attempts to ban the game, I still managed to attain my own copy. Nah nah nah boo boo!
Why just the Switch though? I don't mind, coz I own a Switch but I do find it funny how the Switch gets the best Retro Sega stuff, like Thunder Force 4 sega ages and the best version of Phantasy Star 1.
@@ralphtaylor7448 switch is not for a particular demographics though... A lot of adults play switch as well because it is so easy to get into... I am playing Switch as my primary console and i don't play animal crossing or pokemon
Management should be required to do some of the job of workers to understand what they're asking of their employees. Even executives who started from the bottom lose touch with their workers over time.
The more stories of Game makers we here of the more nightmare development stories are exposed. Management not knowing a thing. So familiar to everyone I'm sure.
This is why the business side of gaming needs some kind of "culture advisor" who knows things. People who notice the little things, like how the blood in this prototype is reminiscent of the blood in the Genesis port of Mortal Kombat. Now *that* is how you make a sincere appeal to nostalgia.
As in any industry, only people who have gone through the entire career path from an ordinary employee should be allowed into management. Marketing school graduates who come from outside know nothing about the item they are selling. And a “culture advisor” is another extra cog in an already overgrown bureaucratic mechanism. It is more valuable to send leading specialists to marketing courses than to hire additional marketers who are not interested in learning how to produce games, and in a critical situation will simply run away to offer their services to another company.
@@100gendos I get what you're talking about, but three years ago I was not talking about what you're talking about. I was talking about someone who *is* specifically interested in the production of games and the culture surrounding them. People who grew up with them, or people who enjoy them and understand why others enjoy them, etc. I had no idea back then what those words would imply today. ;p
I wouldn't be surprised those that were involved in that project (execs included) are gone. The Sega west of yesteryears is not the Sega of today. I hope whoever released this prototype had a long term interest in mind for a Sega employee of any level wouldn't do something like this for the heck of it yet let alone a one-day celebration. They had to be testing the market for the interest of Golden Axe. If not and it was simply for the one-day celebration then I think Sega is, once again, thinking too shallow. Anyway, we'll know in due time but best not to wait.
@@EAprima To be honest I’ve been really liking modern Sega recently, they’ve been one of my favorite game developers as of recent. Even though they have controversial moments, it isn’t near as bad or twisted as Konami.
Did he work for Sega or a Development team working on the game? This is all speculation on my part but I would guess he worked for a third party team contracted by Sega to help work on Castle of Illusion. Seeing how the game played out they were probably offered the opportunity to work on future projects so their bosses rushed the team to work on a prototype to sell to Sega while the deal was still good. Mind you again that's just what I would assume happened I have no inside knowledge here
The lighting effects are quite gorgeous, visually I'm impressed with it. I haven't actually played it so can't fully comment on the game mechanics, but the fighting strikes and combos look awful, swinging his sword with one hand like it's a plastic toy sword, the original animation had him pulling all his weight and 2 hands to swing that thing back and forth, hacking away at his enemies...although that "power-up" strike he take time to wield, then slices the enemy in two, that's a nice idea and looks well "executed". Overall though it's definitely got potential, but needs a lot of reworking and most importantly, more TIME to iron everything out.
Would have loved to play a Golden Axe game back in 2012 as I loved the original games on the Genesis/Mega Drive. Thankfully we did get Dragon's Crown from Vanillaware in 2013 for the PS3/PS Vita and PS4.
I did download the game, and while my pc is not up to date, it did play. You have to configure the buttons on the configuration window that pops up before launching the actual game, and even like that, some functions do nothing. Also, I tohugh the hit detection was a bit iffy, but could have been just me. Really cool looking project, It might have been a good game if it was ever finished. I would say sega handled this poorly back then and also now. But hey, like you said, now lots of people talking about golden axe and that's defenitely a good thing.
In the very least, Sega I hope is pulling through by showing a bit a transparency in their past actions. It may have opened up old wounds, but the fact that they did this is interesting. I hope they come around and show some kind of apologetic action towards the development team.
for me the game is great as I can see straight away that its Golden axe just by the move set that the character uses. Imagine what this team could of done given the right tools and with better management. Sad because I would like to play the whole game.
This looks decent for what it is. Those people made that in two weeks? That's impressive. I know it's essentially Conan, but maybe some more Ray Harryhausen elements could be included or giant ass crazy monsters could be put in.
As nice as it is to get paid, it's about being able to see the art and work you've created go to waste in some way. Most people don't get to hear about the stories behind this stuff sadly.
@@Midekai It was a work for hire project. He didn't own any of it and he should have known that from day one. It's not this property, Sega had every right to release it as they saw fit. His twitter rants also probably cost him a chance at employment at a lot of game companies who won't want to hire some guy who openly complains about the industry. If a game dev doesn't want to hand over their work to someone else then they need to go indie.
Wish I had known about this earlier. I fear that the only way fans are going to get a proper GA game is if a fan makes it. Someone who loves and understands the franchise. I remember back when WoW was new I tried to design a MMORPG based off of the Golden Axe franchise. I wonder if there is someone out there who has been working on a new game.
Roger Corman of B-Movies said that he liked to tell his people regardless to "Go back and try again" claiming to be busy. The second time around he said was usually people's best effort. Sounds like what the management was doing here. Admit nothing the first go around, praise the second time around. Dumb, but a common management move to get more out of the employee.
Bummer this remake was never completed. The dev team's story.. just crushes your heart. I believe that if Streets of Rage 4 can happen, so can a GA revival. Wish that this game was completed, and it would be a different story altogether. Maybe someday
This kind of thing is bound to happen eventually with a major franchise. Anyone in the comments who has ever worked with a publisher has some stories of their own I'm sure. It's none the less a real shame.
This game reminds me of the THQ released Conan game. That game still rocks and I can see enough polish in this Golden Axe demo to make me hungry for more.
What did they do with genesis?!? They released darksiders 3 than swap to a top down shooter kinda like tomb raider did in the past. There is no revival in your exemple would have work better if you would have talked about streets of rage 4 ...
@@Ezekiel-pc4ef Darksiders Genesis is a dungeon crawler in the vein of Gauntlet and Torchlight. It's a top down shooter only, you play as both War and Strife with the ability to swap between them.
@@Ezekiel-pc4ef what's wrong withe Genesis? It is a pretty solid game and enjoyable. It is one of the few games I bought at launch and played through without getting bored.
Yeah, Sega's management were being foolish at that time, but the original developers didn't come across all that well to me. I didn't take the janky line as an insult to thise who made the original prototype, but as a *warning* Golden Axed was *not* a finishes, polished game. Not that I got to play it, given my aging PC and lack of remotely modern hardware. I mean, I doubt the same inept suits who looked at the original were behind Golden Axed. Unless they learned their lesson before, in which case this is probably better seen as a mea culpa.
There was a Golden Axe Remake in the Sega Classics Collection for the PS2... It moves a little bit like this, but is nowhere near as polished - graphically and gameplay/AI-wise. It could've been much better though; alas, it became lost to the sands of time...
Sega are so awful with their IPs....Don't they like money? Golden Axe, Altered Beast, Crazy Taxi, Space Harrier, Afterburner, Daytona, Sega Rally, Ecco the Dolphin, Hang On, Wonderboy, House of the Dead, Panzer Dragoon and Shinobi just to mention a few.... Where are the current gen sequels?
As of writing this comment, you can still get it from Steam with these links(Just copy them, and paste them into Firefox) - Streets of Kamurocho - steam://run/1368430/ Golden Axed - steam://run/1368460/ Endless Zone - steam://run/1368450/ Armor of Heroes - steam://run/1368440/
It was wild to see the reaction to this. I spoke with a few other devs about it, and they definitely agreed that this was handled poorly by SEGA. Should’ve did something involving that team if they had intent on giving the demo to the public.
I grew up playing Golden Axe and would absolutely LOVE a rival of the game after playing SOR4!! A shame they pulled the plug on this prototype cause it really looks interesting. Would have loved to play as Tyris Flare again, ahhh if only....
Golden Axe was one of my favorite arcade games and Sega Genesis ports. GA II was also good but nothing compared to the OG Golden Axe. Having said that I would love to see a revival of this franchise. I haven't really played a game like it, except maybe the hard to find Capcom D&D Shadows over Mystra game from the nineties, and even then I got to play that maybe twice, so I can't really comment on how good it was. GO Sega!
Sega stopped giving a damn when they dropped out of the console market. Streets of rage 4 is a good game but the least fun in the entire series, very disappointing. Hopefully sega will release The Revenge of Death Adder on consoles.
Top Hat ftw Keep up the good work fella and hope you and Lady Decade (and sproglet/soon to be sproglet) stay safe! Golden axe ... I loved it when it was fresh, especially the MD version round my mates. This one, not so much as I completely missed its announcement never mind its cancellation 😂
You got my subscription the first Golden Axe video and my likes with your fair review of Golden Axe 3 my childhood only Sega Golden Axe game I owned. Don’t forget the PS2 Golden Axe remake And the PS3 Xbox 360 Golden Axe Beast Riders. Hopefully by then there will be a new Golden Axe game released 😉 for you to do
Exactly, I appreciate that the devs cranked this out in 2 weeks. But if what we see was to sell it to the biz types, this probably wouldn't have panned out. Of course, apparently those same people said this was great later on, which goes to show they can't be trusted.
Only if they completely revamp the engine and artstyle. Otherwise it would be the same mistake those suits made by believing both series play the same way.
Probably for the best, Streets Of Rage 4 made the smart move in staying 2D, while games using a pseudo 3D game engine to recreate a 2D experience don't tend to fare well.
I love how SEGA describes the game as "Hey! Look at this stupid piece of shit that we forced a bunch of morons to make in a reasonable 2 week period of time! HA! Boy is it bad, but maybe not by much? Wocka Wocka!" They treated the devs like crap, dumped the game before it got polished, and then tried to pass THEIR mistake as a goof, without claiming any responsibility on themselves. If they tried to make it sound self-deprecating, they really didn't get the "self" part.
Golden Axe is cool but I feel Vanillaware stepped up with Dragon's Crown. Now a new Golden Axe game would have to live up to that level of standards, which would not be easy. Crown may have lite RPG elements much like the old Capcom D&D games but it also has a lot of Golden Axe in it too and refined.
sounds like sega subcontracted a dev studio to make a golden axe prototype, but what were not sure of was what was the end target(console) xbox ,gba ,pc ,stream ,etc? given a team 2 weeks is ridiculous , for what they made i applaud them looks to be a quick steam or gba game . in the likes of old game boy games. upper managment / and ubsurd requsts on a 2 week build didnt help either. Sega should rewrite there description on steam with synposis of incredible work tim and his team did on a game that could of been another future title , imagine if they were given a month/ a year . we will never now
Of course, Tim isn't going to be monitoring the comments of this particularly excellent UA-cam channel but if he were I would impart how much I enjoyed playing his work. Chin up, mate.
It would have been awesome. You could have done upgrades and weapon purchases, etc. after each level was complete. Maybe a few rpg elements like speed or power, or magic upgrades.
There is a unique fan-made remake of Golden Axe: it recreates the original arcade Golden Axe, with the inclusion of blood, decapitations, some animation improvements, higher bodycount and other lesser but all the same very neat touches. I was extremely impressed. Far above any other Golden Axe project out there. Here is the link: ua-cam.com/video/KL0Te_gVrrs/v-deo.html (includes a download link as well)
They should’ve made it more like Die Hard Arcade gameplay with various movesets (some trivia: Die Hard Arcade actually has a hidden Golden Axe re-skinned mode)
The more people learn about the inner workings of video game production, the more they become convinced of the inadequacy of the management of most major publishers. This industry needs a second Atari Shock to clear out the worms that have accumulated in its belly.
Thats a really smart idea in some sense. Hey guys, we worked on this, but didn't finish it, but here it is, have it for free. Then judge from the community if it was worth continuing. This will probably get sega working on it again now....
You can still get it from steam with these links(Just copy them, and paste them into Firefox) - Streets of Kamurocho - steam://run/1368430/ Golden Axed - steam://run/1368460/ Endless Zone - steam://run/1368450/ Armor of Heroes - steam://run/1368440/
I never thought The Duel or Beastrider were terrible games -- just not good as Golden Axe games. Of course, my "bad" has been heavily skewed as a result of collecting multiplayer games. Steam, BYOND, the worst of the worst consoles and home computers, and DOS shovelware have definitely skewed my perception, though. At this point, I could probably make a case for Big Rigs being a good game by comparison.
@@songoku9348 I like it! Sadly though, I am just very tired so it was an unintentional typo. Whilst keeping it as OUTRAGED would make a nice little joke, I assume such it would fly over many peoples' heads. The general public are not the brightest bunch!
@@TopHatGamingManChannel Sad but true. Intellectuals most certainly make up the majority of population. This world would be a very different place if this weren't the case.
I played the game, and if assume this was done in 2 weeks, i'm impressed. My take, yeah ok fine it doesn't look good, but thats what happens when the art style is using the same muddy look. If the game gets the impressive 2D look like Streets of Rage 4, I will say it will look great. Look at Golden Axe Myth, it is doable.
The problem with a lot of companies is management is removed from what they are selling. I worked for a very large corporation and found out all of upper management was marketing grads. They had no clue about the actual commodities they were selling. Had no idea how the customer wanted things and no clue how to handle it properly. Just as long as their marketing schematics were laid out to what they were taught in school. They had no idea the amount of work it took to follow through and wanted way too much done with no labor or time invested into making it happen. They wasted investors money and lost a lot of revenue streams by simply not knowing enough about their own product.
thus, clueless people gettin' involved in what they don't get at all sigh
If it means anything, Tim, your Golden Axe title looked awesome.
it could have been amazing, i wish it was a full game.
It's a damn shame there was so much negativity with this game. It looked like the revival Golden Axe NEEDS.
For a two week crunch that was very good. This is why Sega bowed out the console market terrible management.
"Golden Axe and Streets of Rage play EXACTLY the same!" Spoken by someone who has clearly never played them. What they actually mean is "it's a side scroller beat em up, who cares? It's not gonna make us rich...er" Gotta love management.
To be fair they do share 90% of the same features and mechanics so I think it would have made financial sense to use the same engine. It was clearly a bad idea to work on the two projects concurrently though when they were already under crunch conditions for a single project.
@@bloodypommelstudios7144 You could perhaps say that about Golden Axe 1 and Sor 1...still prefer Sor1's system but you can't say that about Sor2. Sor2 is in another league compared to how GA plays.
They play exactly the same. They are literally the same game with different sprites and maybe one or two different moves. They are the same thing.
No matter what industry you work most upper management are always worthless pieces of shit that doesn't even know how they should work.
Had my nightmare experience of my own. All they care about is to suck up to the higher ups and contribute nothing.
@@kevinwebster7868 U must've never played the games?
I know *exactly* how Tim feels. I went through the same sh!t just a month ago. When management knows f%ck-all about what your job entails, believe me, there's no pleasing them.
Sega might well have put the canceled game out there to put out feelers to whether there was any interest for a full version. I sincerely hope my theory is right as It would be nice to see a fully finished version of what they showed
I was thinking exactly the same thing. I hope that’s the case. I really want this done!
yes it would as the game looks hella cool.
Sega should of made a Sega Saturn port of Golden Axe Revenge of Death Adder.
and the arcade version golden axe revenge of death adder
Honestly I’d be excited to have a home version of The Revenge of Death Adder. We’ve never received a home port of that and I’m sure tons of fans would love to play it on a console or steam!
I BELIEVE YOU MEANT TO TYPE
Death=Adder
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Videos like these are very cathartic and serve as a vent for letting out your frustration with companies that are obviously doing things not the way gamers want... I am still pissed that games like golden axe altered beast and many others never made a proper transition to 3D although there were many similar games during that time that were great... I wish the 2008 golden axe game would have been better so that they had continued with the franchise...
Sounds like Sega and it's downfall has much to do with poor management decisions. Look at the way they responded to Streets or Rage Remake. The game was already out there. Segas only sensible choice was to embrace SORR and it's creators. Despite their attempts to ban the game, I still managed to attain my own copy. Nah nah nah boo boo!
Would be nice if we could just get Golden axe revenge of Death Adder ported to the Switch.
Why just the Switch though? I don't mind, coz I own a Switch but I do find it funny how the Switch gets the best Retro Sega stuff, like Thunder Force 4 sega ages and the best version of Phantasy Star 1.
@@BoozeAholic I just focus on a Switch port as it is super portable. But would be nice if all the systems get ports of that great game.
@@BoozeAholic shh just the switch, because a random zoomer youtuber owns only that and he demands to be ported THERE ONLY
@@bobbysnider1127 hope not since switch kids only buy more kids friendly games like mario or pokemon
@@ralphtaylor7448 switch is not for a particular demographics though... A lot of adults play switch as well because it is so easy to get into... I am playing Switch as my primary console and i don't play animal crossing or pokemon
Management should be required to do some of the job of workers to understand what they're asking of their employees. Even executives who started from the bottom lose touch with their workers over time.
The more stories of Game makers we here of the more nightmare development stories are exposed. Management not knowing a thing. So familiar to everyone I'm sure.
This is why the business side of gaming needs some kind of "culture advisor" who knows things. People who notice the little things, like how the blood in this prototype is reminiscent of the blood in the Genesis port of Mortal Kombat. Now *that* is how you make a sincere appeal to nostalgia.
As in any industry, only people who have gone through the entire career path from an ordinary employee should be allowed into management. Marketing school graduates who come from outside know nothing about the item they are selling. And a “culture advisor” is another extra cog in an already overgrown bureaucratic mechanism. It is more valuable to send leading specialists to marketing courses than to hire additional marketers who are not interested in learning how to produce games, and in a critical situation will simply run away to offer their services to another company.
@@100gendos I get what you're talking about, but three years ago I was not talking about what you're talking about. I was talking about someone who *is* specifically interested in the production of games and the culture surrounding them. People who grew up with them, or people who enjoy them and understand why others enjoy them, etc. I had no idea back then what those words would imply today. ;p
I wonder if poor managment is at least partially why we haven't seen new entrys in classic Sega franchises like Jet Set Radio and Panzer Dragoon.
Probably. I remember like 2012 a Sega exec said they needed to focus on other franchise... after like 8 years we’ve gotten like what? Two?
It is probably more rewarding to make a unrelated game as an indie developer...
@@charlesman8722 sonic, bayonetta, streets of rage, oh yeah and the announcement of a pz. d. Game next year.
Do you know how amazing KNIGHTS would be right now?!
Very interesting, honestly I hope Sega improved their management since then.
I wouldn't be surprised those that were involved in that project (execs included) are gone. The Sega west of yesteryears is not the Sega of today. I hope whoever released this prototype had a long term interest in mind for a Sega employee of any level wouldn't do something like this for the heck of it yet let alone a one-day celebration. They had to be testing the market for the interest of Golden Axe. If not and it was simply for the one-day celebration then I think Sega is, once again, thinking too shallow. Anyway, we'll know in due time but best not to wait.
@@EAprima To be honest I’ve been really liking modern Sega recently, they’ve been one of my favorite game developers as of recent. Even though they have controversial moments, it isn’t near as bad or twisted as Konami.
Did he work for Sega or a Development team working on the game?
This is all speculation on my part but I would guess he worked for a third party team contracted by Sega to help work on Castle of Illusion. Seeing how the game played out they were probably offered the opportunity to work on future projects so their bosses rushed the team to work on a prototype to sell to Sega while the deal was still good. Mind you again that's just what I would assume happened I have no inside knowledge here
@@EAprima "The Sega west of yesteryears is not the Sega of today" HAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!! Don't be so gullible.
@@schadenfreude6274 I was implying the people that worked in Sega west back in the early 2000 are not there now.
With this kind of management, no wonder Sega has been a disaster after the Dreamcast.
The lighting effects are quite gorgeous, visually I'm impressed with it. I haven't actually played it so can't fully comment on the game mechanics, but the fighting strikes and combos look awful, swinging his sword with one hand like it's a plastic toy sword, the original animation had him pulling all his weight and 2 hands to swing that thing back and forth, hacking away at his enemies...although that "power-up" strike he take time to wield, then slices the enemy in two, that's a nice idea and looks well "executed". Overall though it's definitely got potential, but needs a lot of reworking and most importantly, more TIME to iron everything out.
Sega being out of touch? Why, I never heard the like! And they have the audacity to trademark "Golden Axed".
I remember playing Golden Axe at my nearest local 7-11 as a 10 year old in the late 80's.
Man golden axe was my shit had the Sega 6 pack it was part of the bundle back in the day beat it so many times
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It's just so heartbreaking that it was never released because the game plays really well.
Would have loved to play a Golden Axe game back in 2012 as I loved the original games on the Genesis/Mega Drive.
Thankfully we did get Dragon's Crown from Vanillaware in 2013 for the PS3/PS Vita and PS4.
I did download the game, and while my pc is not up to date, it did play. You have to configure the buttons on the configuration window that pops up before launching the actual game, and even like that, some functions do nothing. Also, I tohugh the hit detection was a bit iffy, but could have been just me. Really cool looking project, It might have been a good game if it was ever finished. I would say sega handled this poorly back then and also now. But hey, like you said, now lots of people talking about golden axe and that's defenitely a good thing.
Dont expect any company to release any prototypes now due to 'outrage'' Golden Axed was a 2 week project, not bad for only 2 weeks.
The problem isn't the time constraint, it's the AWFUL management, the mobbing involved, and the crunch time.
@@Lohoris all very normal, especially in a company that is going under. You should watch the digital foundry interview with these guys.
In the very least, Sega I hope is pulling through by showing a bit a transparency in their past actions. It may have opened up old wounds, but the fact that they did this is interesting. I hope they come around and show some kind of apologetic action towards the development team.
Gave him two weeks. I’ve heard a lot of bullshit stories in my day but this one takes the cake.
That was only done in two weeks, color me impressed.
Actually that looks really good. 2.5d is hard to get right. The animations look good to. Wish I could have played that finished.
Golden Axe did play it a lot 😄, awesome video !
for me the game is great as I can see straight away that its Golden axe just by the move set that the character uses. Imagine what this team could of done given the right tools and with better management. Sad because I would like to play the whole game.
I played it, but now it is more sad, because there's no way that the team is going to continue the development of this game.
If so many gaming programmers hate crunch so much - it'd be refreshing to see them start their own, non-crunch gaming companies.
Top Hat, this is the first I've heard of this, the killing will start immediately.
This looks decent for what it is.
Those people made that in two weeks? That's impressive.
I know it's essentially Conan, but maybe some more Ray Harryhausen elements could be included or giant ass crazy monsters could be put in.
Tim got paid for the job right?
Stupid mess of a management disaster though.
As nice as it is to get paid, it's about being able to see the art and work you've created go to waste in some way. Most people don't get to hear about the stories behind this stuff sadly.
@@Midekai It was a work for hire project. He didn't own any of it and he should have known that from day one. It's not this property, Sega had every right to release it as they saw fit. His twitter rants also probably cost him a chance at employment at a lot of game companies who won't want to hire some guy who openly complains about the industry. If a game dev doesn't want to hand over their work to someone else then they need to go indie.
Honestly, screw Tim. He's a whiny hack who thinks he owns the Golden Axe IP instead of SEGA!
Wish I had known about this earlier. I fear that the only way fans are going to get a proper GA game is if a fan makes it. Someone who loves and understands the franchise. I remember back when WoW was new I tried to design a MMORPG based off of the Golden Axe franchise. I wonder if there is someone out there who has been working on a new game.
Roger Corman of B-Movies said that he liked to tell his people regardless to "Go back and try again" claiming to be busy. The second time around he said was usually people's best effort. Sounds like what the management was doing here. Admit nothing the first go around, praise the second time around. Dumb, but a common management move to get more out of the employee.
Bummer this remake was never completed. The dev team's story.. just crushes your heart. I believe that if Streets of Rage 4 can happen, so can a GA revival.
Wish that this game was completed, and it would be a different story altogether. Maybe someday
This kind of thing is bound to happen eventually with a major franchise. Anyone in the comments who has ever worked with a publisher has some stories of their own I'm sure. It's none the less a real shame.
I could see THQ Nordic doing a Golden Axe revival considering what they've done with Darksiders Genesis.
This game reminds me of the THQ released Conan game. That game still rocks and I can see enough polish in this Golden Axe demo to make me hungry for more.
What did they do with genesis?!? They released darksiders 3 than swap to a top down shooter kinda like tomb raider did in the past.
There is no revival in your exemple would have work better if you would have talked about streets of rage 4 ...
@@Ezekiel-pc4ef Darksiders Genesis is a dungeon crawler in the vein of Gauntlet and Torchlight. It's a top down shooter only, you play as both War and Strife with the ability to swap between them.
@@Ezekiel-pc4ef You might want to see proper gameplay for Genesis.
@@Ezekiel-pc4ef what's wrong withe Genesis? It is a pretty solid game and enjoyable. It is one of the few games I bought at launch and played through without getting bored.
The cancelled remake looks eerily like Age of Barbarian, a guilty pleasure.
I kinda got Dragon's Crown vibes (far less sexuality though lol)
Age of Barbarian is spectacular.
They have announced making a sequel.
Yeah, Sega's management were being foolish at that time, but the original developers didn't come across all that well to me. I didn't take the janky line as an insult to thise who made the original prototype, but as a *warning* Golden Axed was *not* a finishes, polished game. Not that I got to play it, given my aging PC and lack of remotely modern hardware.
I mean, I doubt the same inept suits who looked at the original were behind Golden Axed. Unless they learned their lesson before, in which case this is probably better seen as a mea culpa.
There was a Golden Axe Remake in the Sega Classics Collection for the PS2... It moves a little bit like this, but is nowhere near as polished - graphically and gameplay/AI-wise. It could've been much better though; alas, it became lost to the sands of time...
That's why everyone goes indie.. games, musics, movies,
Comics
we're were so close of getting a new Golden Axe game but they f*ck it up!!!
Sega are so awful with their IPs....Don't they like money?
Golden Axe, Altered Beast, Crazy Taxi, Space Harrier, Afterburner, Daytona, Sega Rally, Ecco the Dolphin, Hang On, Wonderboy, House of the Dead, Panzer Dragoon and Shinobi just to mention a few.... Where are the current gen sequels?
Monster Boy and the cursed Kingdom is a sequal of sorts to Wonderboy, And wonderboy 3 got a remaster, both are brilliant, go check them out!
RISTAR!
Sega burned a lot of bridges Platinum did a lot of references with them yet Sega fucked them over with Max Anarchy
As of writing this comment, you can still get it from Steam with these links(Just copy them, and paste them into Firefox) -
Streets of Kamurocho - steam://run/1368430/
Golden Axed - steam://run/1368460/
Endless Zone - steam://run/1368450/
Armor of Heroes - steam://run/1368440/
I really hope they finish this game. Really good looking game.
Sega is like an abusive parent that needs government intervention to come and rescue all their great intellectual properties and given better homes.
NO! Government never needs to get involved with ANYTHING! They make everything worse!
It was wild to see the reaction to this. I spoke with a few other devs about it, and they definitely agreed that this was handled poorly by SEGA. Should’ve did something involving that team if they had intent on giving the demo to the public.
I grew up playing Golden Axe and would absolutely LOVE a rival of the game after playing SOR4!! A shame they pulled the plug on this prototype cause it really looks interesting. Would have loved to play as Tyris Flare again, ahhh if only....
This game looks awesome! What a bunch of idiots for cancelling its completion.
Oh PR, gotta love em.
I would have told them the same thing in response.
Golden Axe was one of my favorite arcade games and Sega Genesis ports. GA II was also good but nothing compared to the OG Golden Axe. Having said that I would love to see a revival of this franchise. I haven't really played a game like it, except maybe the hard to find Capcom D&D Shadows over Mystra game from the nineties, and even then I got to play that maybe twice, so I can't really comment on how good it was. GO Sega!
This is sad cause I love Golden Axe I hope this cancelled game doesn’t kill the franchise
@Jerry Smith Golden Axe Beast rider apparently came out in the 90s according to you
Sega stopped giving a damn when they dropped out of the console market. Streets of rage 4 is a good game but the least fun in the entire series, very disappointing. Hopefully sega will release The Revenge of Death Adder on consoles.
Top Hat ftw
Keep up the good work fella and hope you and Lady Decade (and sproglet/soon to be sproglet) stay safe!
Golden axe ... I loved it when it was fresh, especially the MD version round my mates. This one, not so much as I completely missed its announcement never mind its cancellation 😂
I really hope Sega has learned their lesson, and there isn't this much ineptitude on behalf of management with the new Golden Axe game coming out.
For more info on Beast Rider, look up Wha Happun Beast Rider on the Matt McMuscles youtube channel.
You got my subscription the first Golden Axe video and my likes with your fair review of Golden Axe 3 my childhood only Sega Golden Axe game I owned.
Don’t forget the PS2 Golden Axe remake
And the PS3 Xbox 360 Golden Axe Beast Riders.
Hopefully by then there will be a new Golden Axe game released 😉 for you to do
Golden Axe is a game I first played in 1990 on the Genesis mk1
The suits were right. There is no wow factor.
Exactly, I appreciate that the devs cranked this out in 2 weeks. But if what we see was to sell it to the biz types, this probably wouldn't have panned out. Of course, apparently those same people said this was great later on, which goes to show they can't be trusted.
OST towards the end = godly
I want them to release the revenge of death adder on Xbox and capcom to release AVP
Golden axe with streets of rage 4 engine anyone
Only if they completely revamp the engine and artstyle. Otherwise it would be the same mistake those suits made by believing both series play the same way.
Probably for the best, Streets Of Rage 4 made the smart move in staying 2D, while games using a pseudo 3D game engine to recreate a 2D experience don't tend to fare well.
I got more fun from Axed demo than the whole Beast Raider
I love how SEGA describes the game as "Hey! Look at this stupid piece of shit that we forced a bunch of morons to make in a reasonable 2 week period of time! HA! Boy is it bad, but maybe not by much? Wocka Wocka!" They treated the devs like crap, dumped the game before it got polished, and then tried to pass THEIR mistake as a goof, without claiming any responsibility on themselves. If they tried to make it sound self-deprecating, they really didn't get the "self" part.
Tim. Dude. They had no idea what they even had. I’m mad I’ll never get to see this come to its fullest potential
Golden Axe is cool but I feel Vanillaware stepped up with Dragon's Crown. Now a new Golden Axe game would have to live up to that level of standards, which would not be easy. Crown may have lite RPG elements much like the old Capcom D&D games but it also has a lot of Golden Axe in it too and refined.
Really someone should make this cancelled Golden axe game either Sega or someone else by funding it and changing the title some.
I must get the original poster w/ the beautiful posed Tyris :-)
Beat’n ups! The hat roots!
Hey, Top Hat Gaming Man! Can you please do a review video on Battle Circuit? It was Capcom's last beat 'em up game for the arcade.
sounds like sega subcontracted a dev studio to make a golden axe prototype, but what were not sure of was what was the end target(console) xbox ,gba ,pc ,stream ,etc? given a team 2 weeks is ridiculous , for what they made i applaud them looks to be a quick steam or gba game . in the likes of old game boy games. upper managment / and ubsurd requsts on a 2 week build didnt help either. Sega should rewrite there description on steam with synposis of incredible work tim and his team did on a game that could of been another future title , imagine if they were given a month/ a year . we will never now
We really deserve a new 4-player Godlen Axe game. If only they finished this game.....
They should at least give us Golden Axe Revenge of Death Adder.
Of course, Tim isn't going to be monitoring the comments of this particularly excellent UA-cam channel but if he were I would impart how much I enjoyed playing his work. Chin up, mate.
It would have been awesome. You could have done upgrades and weapon purchases, etc. after each level was complete. Maybe a few rpg elements like speed or power, or magic upgrades.
Did Tim and crew get paid?
We have all had shite jobs with shite management.
I suppose they were employees there so they were already been paid.
There is a unique fan-made remake of Golden Axe: it recreates the original arcade
Golden Axe, with the inclusion of blood, decapitations, some animation improvements,
higher bodycount and other lesser but all the same very neat touches. I was extremely
impressed. Far above any other Golden Axe project out there. Here is the link:
ua-cam.com/video/KL0Te_gVrrs/v-deo.html (includes a download link as well)
i just play the demo, wau i really love it, plz bring it back :(
It doesn't show up when I search for it on Steam. Was it removed after a few weeks ?
Indeed.
@@TopHatGamingManChannel Does that imply any hopes of seeing a full game at one point ?
The people who did SOR4 should do Battle Axe
They should’ve made it more like Die Hard Arcade gameplay with various movesets (some trivia: Die Hard Arcade actually has a hidden Golden Axe re-skinned mode)
Wait, what?!?!?! I LOVED THAT game...i mean I would spend $$$$ on it. I loved the spiritual successor for Dreamcast: Dynamite Cop, as well.
The more people learn about the inner workings of video game production, the more they become convinced of the inadequacy of the management of most major publishers. This industry needs a second Atari Shock to clear out the worms that have accumulated in its belly.
Thats a really smart idea in some sense. Hey guys, we worked on this, but didn't finish it, but here it is, have it for free.
Then judge from the community if it was worth continuing. This will probably get sega working on it again now....
I guess I miss the game. I cant find it on steam.
It was only up for a short time. Honestly, you arent missing anything. Its merely a small stretch of level with barebones gameplay.
You can still get it from steam with these links(Just copy them, and paste them into Firefox) -
Streets of Kamurocho - steam://run/1368430/
Golden Axed - steam://run/1368460/
Endless Zone - steam://run/1368450/
Armor of Heroes - steam://run/1368440/
I never thought The Duel or Beastrider were terrible games -- just not good as Golden Axe games.
Of course, my "bad" has been heavily skewed as a result of collecting multiplayer games. Steam, BYOND, the worst of the worst consoles and home computers, and DOS shovelware have definitely skewed my perception, though. At this point, I could probably make a case for Big Rigs being a good game by comparison.
8:43 nope, but GB Studio has me inspired and I’m working on it.
Wait no, I did write it correctly sorry excuse the last correction message thsnx bro keep it up and please River City UNDERGROUND yyyyeeeeaaahh
Make Ax bigger, add more enemies and stages, and you have the perfect sequel.
I think the title of the video has a typo with “outraged” instead of outrage.
It’s a reference to the game title in question.
@@songoku9348
Gotcha
@@songoku9348 I like it! Sadly though, I am just very tired so it was an unintentional typo. Whilst keeping it as OUTRAGED would make a nice little joke, I assume such it would fly over many peoples' heads. The general public are not the brightest bunch!
@@TopHatGamingManChannel I must’ve been the only one who caught that then.
@@TopHatGamingManChannel Sad but true. Intellectuals most certainly make up the majority of population. This world would be a very different place if this weren't the case.
Sega should hire the developers of Streets of Rage 4 to make a new Golden Axe game.
I would love to see a new Skies of Arcadia
@6:42 wow a new castle of illusions game👍.
I played the game, and if assume this was done in 2 weeks, i'm impressed.
My take, yeah ok fine it doesn't look good, but thats what happens when the art style is using the same muddy look. If the game gets the impressive 2D look like Streets of Rage 4, I will say it will look great. Look at Golden Axe Myth, it is doable.
What about the golden axe shooting game?