What do YOU think about Revelations? Most people seem to not be fans; personally, I like it a lot, and I think the nostalgia overload works for a big finale, but if you disagree I'd love to hear some counter-arguments!
Revelations is one of the best maps of Black Ops 3, if not the series from a gameplay, layout, and design perspective. The community praised the map until the zombies chronicles pack was announced, then all of a sudden the map became a "smushed together rushed mess" that used the maps that were already in development for chronicles rather than the fun fanservice sendoff it always was. Had chronicles never came out, people wouldn't have changed their opinion. While a point could be made to complain about layout with the bounce pads being the connecting bridge between areas, the areas themselves are incredible and extremely fun to navigate, play, and train in. From a design perspective, the little areas of revelations are some of the best in the series. Oh but the boss fight was a huge disappointment and the finale EE sucked. Obscure EE steps for the sake of being obscure felt inorganic to the map and forced. Shadows fight part 2 is lame. The first part is cool with the changing map, but the boss itself is rather lackluster; especially so when compared to Nikolai or the Keeper. That's about the only downside of the map.
I believe that if BO4 wasn’t going to continue the Aether story and was going to just be Chaos that Rev would have had a more permanent and satisfying ending, but I like the way the story looped back to Origins for the purposes of perpetuating the cycle. From a gameplay standpoint, it’s pretty much designed for pure fun just like Buried was, so it’s perfect for warming up or having chill runs with friends when you’re a bit more across the map or not trying for the egg
i fail to see why poeple even dislike any of the dlc maps their all amazing even the giant the most hated one ( i think) is zbs which is actually my favorite, but i do dislike how u have to go through so many rounds to water plants and it has a chance to like not drop the AA bullet needing u to go through even more rounds
Revelations is Zombies' Avengers Endgame. It was awesome at the time, everything that had building up for years for pure fan service and fun. The only issue is where do you go from here? Everything after the big finale is going to feel tacked on and lackluster. I mess peak zombies but damn am I glad I was there for it all
@@rogeliosalinas9945 💯. All led by cornballs Mr T , Noahgay and Mr roflwaffles. They have the worst criticisms and the biggest viewing and they spread a lot of nonsense and hate since bo3.
Thats just most gamers in general. Der Eisendrache is so fucking boring for how easy it is and I don't get why it gets a pass for all of its convoluted easter egg shit rooted in everything but Dead of The Night doesn't when it does it in a far more interesting manner, no pun intended.
@@icypk6190 yea I never actually played DoTN till recently because I heard it sucked and let me tell you it’s one of my favourite maps and that goes with most of bo4. I noticed they will admire one thing for one map and for the same thing , knock it down on another map.
Well, not really…like it should have been every wonderweapon and every iconic survival spot like every good train and every good camping spot. Thats not what we got and that’s y people bashed what we did get
What are you talking about? It was amazing The ONLY turnoff was the super Easter egg and that was only because infinite warfare zombies came out immediately after and one upped them. And nobody has attempted a super Easter egg of that scale since.
@@JymVer I didn't insult PTSD cases at all. It was a simple joke because i actually got an automatic reaction to start skipping the video, and it seems like 58 other people as of this comment agrees. Humor is universal, it is literally everywhere and just because someone makes a joke about it doesn't mean they have malicious intent behind it. If you can't understand that, then maybe the internet isn't for you.
Glad you included the clips of people playing it live for the first time. Context behind each map along with general discussion by players at the time are rarely covered in retrospectives. Excellent video as always 🤌🏽
To me, this map is a sandbox map where you can do whatever you want. It also adds new experiences to these older maps. Like it's still surreal you can use the Thunder Gun against the Panzer or having a shield on a map like Verrukt. All these modern assets in older maps really makes the experience fun and separate than replaying the older maps alone which is why I love the map
I just wanna say, I discovered your channel about 2 days ago, and I know this message will get lost in the sea of comments but I must say, these zombie videos are absolutely top tier, and I am having an absolute blast watching every single one of these! You are a legend!
There isn’t a question mark after Revelations’s “the end”. The question mark you’re probably thinking of is the one that came after Infinite Warfare’s “the end…?” After completing the Mephistopheles boss fight
Revelations is personally my all time favourite map. There’s something so fun about all the fan service and old maps which makes going around the map so fun. I also think that with all the good stuff in the Box it actually makes the Box extremely fun to hit and I just love how overpowered you become by the time you’ve got everything. It’s just pure fun mixed with a lot of welcome nostalgia and I love it.
That’s a great callout, the box is great on this map. Enough bad stuff that it’s still a bit of a gamble, but also so much good stuff that when the RNG does hit, you know you’re about to have a fun time
@@whitecliffgames Not only that there’s a lot of fun guns in the Box like the Tommy Gun or the Banshee which are always nice to get. Even if the Box moves its still fun to go after it and have an excuse to go to all the different nostalgic areas of the map.
I agree with everything here..... except for the easter egg, I've done it multiple times, i've enjoyed it, but it just doesn't make _sense_ Felt as if the devs tried to artificially make it hard to find out about as a 'let's see you solve *this* in under a day you jackasses' All the other eggs made sense story wise, there were hints to guide you on what to do, most obvious one being Sophia in GK, and in DE, you had character quotes telling you what to do, and even in the less clear ones like Shadows you can see the train of thought, but in Rev... 'shoot those graves in the right order, got it? Aight, now there's this small ass rock that'll spawn on the teleport pads, one of the least likley places you'll look, get the keeper there for some reason and then go and eat a sandwich for 5 minutes, done? Aight, throw those arnies in the apothicon's zombie spawn location for no reason, now shoot those random rocks, ' etc etc, You just had to do shit randomly and hope for the best to find out about this egg, and they could have made it better while still keeping the difficulty. They could have made the keeper rock more keeper-like and place it as decoration around all the keeper alters with an obvious spot where it's missing and has a soft blue glow like the teleport pads, they could have shown the reel stuck in the very top of the apothicon and that throwing the arnies shakes it a littlecout of it's place, they could have made the ball of light that flew when you place the kronorium have the shape of 4 eggs, just little things like that. And other than that, it doesn't make sense story wise either, why are Sophia's bones stuck in some random rocks? Why does throwing arnies in the apothicon worm gets you a reel? Why does shooting the graves spawn that rock and why tf is it so important, why do you need to put in the reels to progress the egg? In the other maps, it made sense, you did sacrifices to let the apothicons in in shadows, you helped Sophia in gorod, you travled back in time in de and inputed codes to bring dempsy back, you know why doing such and such step progressed the easter egg in the story. I know that it could all be hand waved away by "The universe is more fucked than a porn star currently" but it isn't.... satisfying. Oh, and Blundell trolled us by telling us that the staffs are returning only for them to appear for 20 seconds in the end cutscene XD.
That's 100% valid, I absolutely agree with a lot of that. I like what the Easter Egg represents, and have fun doing it, and like it *as a whole* , but I was just talking on stream the other day about how it has some of the most egregious *individual steps* in how nonsensical they are. You put it perfectly, they could've had a similar level of difficulty, but while also having a sense of progression. The goal for an EE, for me, is that you understand *why* the actions you're taking are solving problems, instead of just shooting black holes at rocks just because that's something to do. And Revelations failed there, completely agree
That was literally what happened if you were around at release So your feelings align with what happened in reality, sorry you had to jump into the community late when all this mess is happening with modern cod games
One of my favorite things about Revelations is the fact that they revealed it back when gorod krovi came out. I might be wrong but I feel like this was the first map to really do this and it really helped build the hype that followed Gorod Krovi which already had lots of hype
Just binged watched ALL of your zombies retrospectives and absolutely fell in love with them. Like you are killing this shit, so so so well put together and thought out. The effort you put in to explain gameplay decisions from a players perspective and what the developers may have been intending by implementing said features is such an underrated approach to understanding the games we all love, I hope you're still enjoying making these videos and hope to see more :))
this was a very well thought out and articulated video. I felt reassured that you offered criticism while still giving treyarch their due respect when necessary -- when you defended treyarch from claims of being lazy in the design in revelations, but express concerns of laziness in terms of the specialist weapons/shield, it made me sigh in relief a tiny bit
Just finished all these retrospective videos over the course of a week, fantastic quality, so wonderfully produced and thought provoking, whilst nailing feelings and explanations that I felt, but didn't necessarily realise myself. Certainly made me appreciate a lot more of the maps in hindsight, such as Buried. Great work, thank you for all of this!
i was in highschool when this came out and i was in elementary school when i started playing bo1 zombies. this was the most hype i ever was for a zombie map literally counting down the days and the first time i played it was one of the best experiences ever. that being said while not perfect nor bad it just wasn’t one of those maps where i could just play just bc i felt like playing zombies. i might check out again though bc of this video
Absolutely love your channel. I’ve been binging all of your vids. I love your editing style and obviously well-researched and passionate script and outline :)
I’m so glad I found you bro I’ve already watched all your zombie retrospectives and I’m in love with just how much you care and how you execute your videos and breakdowns You’ve gave me a different outlook on a handful of maps and made me remember why I fell in love with all the classics and ones I grew up with. Thank you for being a great youtuber and an even greater true zombies fan
Just watched the whole retrospective playlist and loved every minute. Without speaking negatively about other creators, it’s always been difficult for me to get into “Zombies Retrospectives” from larger legacy content creators. They repeat the sayings and core arguments that everybody knows, and they pioneered most of them so ig I don’t blame them. But your channel and design driven approach was super refreshing and totally engaging throughout. Especially your section in the origins video acknowledging how bizarre and amazing it is that a franchise like COD had this artful and ambitious game mode within,, that section was so good!! Shared it with my old friends from back then Keep going! And don’t feel tied to zombies
This got recommended to me somehow, and I clicked on it thinking the thumbnail was a minecraft house, and this was a discussion on a new shaders pack that was putting the minecraft community into disarray. I now realize it is not. I hope you all have a great time watching it though
I think the reason they added the Ragnaroks was because they're effective for trapping panzers and the reason they added the guard if fafnir was because there's fire in the boss fight so to me they did think this through
I think the way Revelations was recieved really crushed the developer's passion. They put all their heart and soul into the map as a gift to us and a part of the vocal community just stomped all over that love.
It would’ve been cool if they changed the ray gun into the specialist weapon and made it super powerful. Then give it some sort of charge up explosion. It would fit the theme of revelations being a museum and be a surprise due to the specialists being something special that wasn’t a gun and wasn’t some previous weapon they used. It would also allow the ray gun to shine again as a powerful weapon and allow you to have it without giving up a gun
i played the hell out of this map. that search for the easter egg steps was all consuming. i have so much love for this thing. it felt like a live letter to the community.
Revelations felt like The Great War experience frl. No other map can do it. Still dying for a Great War and Revelations still holds that final showdown
Oh brother if only it did. Would've been the proper way this story to be handled. Still a ridiculous amount of coupuim from tag der toten players, my lord ...
revelations is like a guilty pleasure for me, I love going for high round on it, but I despise the tedious it is to do the easter egg, and also the hate it receives from everyone lmao, but it is such a fun map to play around and I love it
I was just curious when your next retrospective would be. Was hoping it wouldn't be another SmithPlays situation where it stopped at GK. Glad that wasn't the case!
Well DAMN! You my man have gone so far! 2 years ago, you only had 105 subscribers. Nearly 26K now! I gotta say, it's been a long journey but you did it! You did good. Love the commentary and just feel the finality... it's a shame that we may not get any new maps worth doing these in-depth analysis videos on... unless you WANT to play Vanguard-
Sorry if this is a stupid question but could you cover the Nightmares campaign just as a meme? I literally never seen anybody talk about that game mode and it was surprisingly fun for how low effort it was
They were ment to be a collage of the location from multiple realities merged from my understanding. A huge community is highly invested in the story along with the game itself.
the thing you said about how zombies isn't supposed to have an end is exactly why i can't stand the exfil system in cold war. the idea that your trapped in this hellscape purgatory forever fighting against zombies trying to figure out how to escape is the coolest narrative ever and the fact they decided to just do away with that really ruins the story for me. its why maps like shadows of evil and mob of the dead are so cool to me because of the whole story aspect of it.
and like who TF is dr peck and why is he popping up on my screen every 5 minutes to tell me shit like im in a campign mission😂and campign characters like weaver, shits an entire joke, now they are also using richtofens name for some reason even though the new character has absolutely nothing to do with him, only shares similarities in name and appearance lmfao this new age progressive DEI hire development team couldnt make something cool like blundell or zielinsky if their lives depended on it😂I have no idea why the people who are working on zombies are working zombies and who tf they are but it's nobody from bo4 or earlier that knows what theyre doing, that's for damn sure
@@MS-fq6nfarguably you could just quit the game. the issue also isn’t the fact that there is an exfill, it’s just how it’s implemented that makes it feel lame to some people
The fragmented design of the layout I think is actually good. It shows the effects of the shadow man in the opening cutscene and also shows how ultimus sorta screwed everything up Again despite best efforts and sorta merger different maps from different periods of time.
Revelations just irritates me. It might be a fun map, but it feels so redundant with Chronicles. I can’t help but feel like it took a spot from another insane BO3 original map. It was gonna be the Origins of BO3 (before anyone knew Origins was coming to BO3) and all it does is make me mad that we didn’t have a MOTD remake in BO3 lol I love the first room in Revelations, so I just can’t help but wonder what an entire original map would’ve been like.
Agree with everything you said. Love revelations. Also, the Easter egg song is one of my favorites I swear. “The Gift” is such a great zombie killing song
but if you think about it the meaning of revelations is literally the making known of something that was previously secret so in these previous maps the unknown was the shadow man and monty we saw the shadow man turning the world into ruins which made a clusterF of the maps we played on. it fits perfectly.
I mean it was meant to be the grand finale and it managed to be exactly that, a big Avangers endgame type battle with every place and enemy from our past and the universe on the brink of collapse. Only in the shield/specialist department they could have been more creative like you said. Maybe have it be Apothicon themed like the rest of the map
I mean I remember sayin back in Black ops 2 days that it would be so awesome to make a map thats just all the other maps together, I was so hyped when I found out thats exactly whats about to happen only to find out it was just small bits of very few maps. Im pretty sure the BO3 engine could handle the load of having several full flegded OG maps at the same time
Amazing video bro quick note on the ciphers don’t know accurate it is or was but I made a video a while back showing the deciphered ciphers and I just use an AI to solve them and they were basically just postive quotes like never give up stuff like that
Dr Monty played Alex, the main character in A Clockwork Orange. A fav feeling zombies brought me, was back on kino hearing richtofens little remarks as you played & interacted w things..seein the FAUST devil painting on the wall & that illuminati lookin floatin pyramid head..it FELT like something way bigger was at play but at that time i knew nothing..we all didnt. It felt like a moment in Rosemary's Baby when it clicked a bit early that something w those old ppl was way off n i was like hm..theres a lot more goin on here😂
If I had to describe revelations with one word it would be "hamfisted". To say I hate this map would be be inaccurate, I am completely apathetic to it which I would argue is worse than it being bad.
I can't imagine pixel hunting for bones being ant fun. That's not the developers trusting players. That's the developers artificially forcing an Easter egg to take longer than necessary
i do think it made the map way clearer to seperate into 4 islands because if it was only connected parcels of all those maps it would have been complicated to find yourself on the map. also it tottaly fits the aestatics and the logic of what's going on meaning that all those zones were taken from their location and displaced here. in that sens it should have been only floating island, separated. Personaly i never taught of it, never bothered
You have no idea how much I enjoyed Revelations. Goated map Even though it is carried by nostalgia, it's still one of the best Zombies maps in history to me
It’s one the funnest easiest stages to play. And has multiple special weapons. And it doesn’t take to long to get to the boss fight. Depending what you wanna do. It’s all around a great map.
I absolutely LOVE revelations. One of my favorite BO3 maps. I think it has so many fun training spots, fun lore, nostalgia fun, crazy mash-up of bosses, and (most importantly) it is not hard. You can just hop in and have a great time without figuring out the crazy stuff. I love that about the map. I love the complex Easter eggs, and Zetsubou No Shima is great because of it. . . But I also want a crazy fun map that doesn’t need a ton of set-up. The smoothness of revelations is great, I think it takes skill to make all the maps connect into one.
fantastic video as always. I love Rev a lot, I do feel it is the perfect ending, and while I understand people's frustration at the lack of closure or whatever, it makes perfect use of the cyclical nature of the mode, as well as kind of ending on a friendly wink from the developers. WaW-BO2's tone with characters and story was almost completely farcical and comedic and absurd. Richtofen being comically gay, Nikolai's wives and vodka, the main antagonist being a little girl and her dog fluffy controlling zombies from the moon, most everything to do with Victis, etc. The ending works in two ways. You get the satisfying and emotional ending of Monty and the children being able to live on in safety at the end of the loop in Agartha. Efforts weren't for nothing, that still stands in that timeline forever. But on top of that, you get the satisfaction of finding out Primis were the actual staff 1.0 wielders in the real Great War. I think a lot of people forget now that that was an actual surprise reveal at the time. It makes Origins even more meaningful in retrospect, considering these characters are actually fighting both versions of the Great War. As I said as well, it exists as a wink from the developers as well, it's an epic ending seeing Primis with the 1.0 Staffs, but it's comical as well. Their defiance of Monty through the blood vials means that, yes the stay in existence, but have to go back to the beginning and fight yet again. The unending cycle. While Primis are the heroes, it's not their story, it's Sam and the children's. It's beautifully poetic and much more emotionally resonant than what was done on Tag imo. Anyway, fantastic video. Always nice to see someone complimenting Rev rather than trashing it.
I love that way of looking at the ending, how it works on all levels; I totally agree! You've got the metatextual commentary about the game, while still having something that actually matters emotionally to latch on to, and all wrapped up in something that feels very at home in this game, following the tradition of never giving the most satisfying answers and leaving things open-ended. Great write up, glad you agree!!
Richtofen isn't gay he's got a German accent, and a Russian liking vodka and having a bunch of wives is maybe the least shocking thing I could think of.
I hope you do a video like this about Leviathan. I know it's a custom map, but it could also be a commentary on the custom zombies community as a whole
a bunch of maps i don't like and/or have already put thousands of hours into ...instead of making just 1 new map, honestly that's probably why they decided to make zombies chronicles, to grab that extra cash after reusing the assets
What I find really odd, is how EVERY SINGLE ONE who looks back on zombies and makes a video about it only ever talks about easter eggs and objectives. My guy... There is a part of the community that plays for high rounds. They have a different perspective entirely than the easter egg crowd that moves on after a year. Revelations is SHIT from a highround perspective, because it's trivial to get a 100 and getting 255 isn't all that hard either. Might as well look at paint dry. Revelations is about as entertaining for someone who wnats to grind rounds as nacht der untoten is for someone that wants to solve a 38 step easter egg.
Its not that odd. High round players are part of a niche community in relation to the entire zombies community. Not everyone want to hit round 100 in a single game or people aren't just good enough to do it. This channel as well as many others speak for the general community. Its just the way it is. For example, I can talk about marvel movies to almost anyone, but once I mention Dr. Stranglove, no one will bat an eye. Most won't be interested in an old black and white film or Stanley Kubrick. But film enthusiasts praise Kubrick and is very famous within a smaller community.
Its one of the best casual and high round maps. The map falls flat within its easter egg and Originality. I like the concept of meshing together maps but it needed alittle more Originality also. We needed a new wonder weapon or the summoing key specialist. The map is also incomplete from dataminers claiming moon was supposed to be in the map and we were gonna get to fight two bosses chosing between Shadowman and Dr monty according to Craig Houston in Comic con 2018. Its like the new features in Bo4 remakes couldve been in Revelations instead like the Magmagat and the lab from Blood of the dead.
2015-2017 were the years. Being a part of the zombies community during 3's lifecycle was.. Ethereal. I don't think anyone, who wasn't there, can really understand the weight and intensity that Rev had, for long time fans. From guns, map layout, characters, voice lines, to even something like reused music that takes you back. Take me back to 2016. I want to relive black ops 3's life all over again. (Also gave us some of the best easter egg songs in any zombies game, Dead Again, Dead Flowers, Dead Ended, and The Gift are gorgeous songs.)
Bo3 was the first zombies I touched tbh, and even then it was a lot of fun. Without the 5 base maps of the game, I'm not sure I'd have ever went back to play chronicles and those maps.
i used to be sort of a casual player until i played revelations, which was my first solo round 100. after 5 hours of somewhat tedious gameplay i felt so happy and accomplished, and any time on bo3 i was trying to up prestige master levels i knew i had to just start revelations and farm XP. after my first round 100 i started a quest to get higher rounds on every other map, not very successful with my highests being 80 on moon, 73 origins, 66 kino, 48 der eisendrache, 45 zetsubou and so on... but revelations transformed me from being just passionate about the lore to being passionate about improving my skills and doing all the Easter eggs and getting high rounds. my biggest flex is my bo3 account, with all the easter zombies calling cards and prestige master both on multi and zombies, as well as dark matter. bo3 and bo4 are my favourite games, bo2 being the third favourite for nostalgia reasons as it was the first cod i played consistently from 2013 to 2019
What do YOU think about Revelations? Most people seem to not be fans; personally, I like it a lot, and I think the nostalgia overload works for a big finale, but if you disagree I'd love to hear some counter-arguments!
Revelations is one of the best maps of Black Ops 3, if not the series from a gameplay, layout, and design perspective.
The community praised the map until the zombies chronicles pack was announced, then all of a sudden the map became a "smushed together rushed mess" that used the maps that were already in development for chronicles rather than the fun fanservice sendoff it always was. Had chronicles never came out, people wouldn't have changed their opinion.
While a point could be made to complain about layout with the bounce pads being the connecting bridge between areas, the areas themselves are incredible and extremely fun to navigate, play, and train in. From a design perspective, the little areas of revelations are some of the best in the series.
Oh but the boss fight was a huge disappointment and the finale EE sucked.
Obscure EE steps for the sake of being obscure felt inorganic to the map and forced.
Shadows fight part 2 is lame. The first part is cool with the changing map, but the boss itself is rather lackluster; especially so when compared to Nikolai or the Keeper.
That's about the only downside of the map.
Revelations main problem is that it is just a boring map.
I believe that if BO4 wasn’t going to continue the Aether story and was going to just be Chaos that Rev would have had a more permanent and satisfying ending, but I like the way the story looped back to Origins for the purposes of perpetuating the cycle. From a gameplay standpoint, it’s pretty much designed for pure fun just like Buried was, so it’s perfect for warming up or having chill runs with friends when you’re a bit more across the map or not trying for the egg
I love revelations in general it’s a great way to end the bo3 finale I just wish bo4 had done the same:/
i fail to see why poeple even dislike any of the dlc maps their all amazing even the giant the most hated one ( i think) is zbs which is actually my favorite, but i do dislike how u have to go through so many rounds to water plants and it has a chance to like not drop the AA bullet needing u to go through even more rounds
Revelations is Zombies' Avengers Endgame. It was awesome at the time, everything that had building up for years for pure fan service and fun. The only issue is where do you go from here? Everything after the big finale is going to feel tacked on and lackluster. I mess peak zombies but damn am I glad I was there for it all
The funny thing was this is exactly what the zombies community asked for and then they bashed it when they got the finished product
@@rogeliosalinas9945 💯. All led by cornballs Mr T , Noahgay and Mr roflwaffles. They have the worst criticisms and the biggest viewing and they spread a lot of nonsense and hate since bo3.
Thats just most gamers in general. Der Eisendrache is so fucking boring for how easy it is and I don't get why it gets a pass for all of its convoluted easter egg shit rooted in everything but Dead of The Night doesn't when it does it in a far more interesting manner, no pun intended.
@@icypk6190 yea I never actually played DoTN till recently because I heard it sucked and let me tell you it’s one of my favourite maps and that goes with most of bo4. I noticed they will admire one thing for one map and for the same thing , knock it down on another map.
Well, not really…like it should have been every wonderweapon and every iconic survival spot like every good train and every good camping spot. Thats not what we got and that’s y people bashed what we did get
What are you talking about? It was amazing
The ONLY turnoff was the super Easter egg and that was only because infinite warfare zombies came out immediately after and one upped them. And nobody has attempted a super Easter egg of that scale since.
Seeing a White Cliff notification pop up is like seeing that your favorite artist just dropped a new song.
That would be Justice and their teasers for Hyperdrama for me
Honestly, started watching him last week and just got through all his videos. Just to find this one came out tonight
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22:16 UA-cam has given me a serious case of PTSD since i heard "And that's a good segway into-", and I was fully expecting a sponsor for the video.
dont insult actual cases of PTSD with your lack of vocab
@@JymVer I didn't insult PTSD cases at all. It was a simple joke because i actually got an automatic reaction to start skipping the video, and it seems like 58 other people as of this comment agrees.
Humor is universal, it is literally everywhere and just because someone makes a joke about it doesn't mean they have malicious intent behind it. If you can't understand that, then maybe the internet isn't for you.
@@simonaarekol3336 you just did it again btw. The word you're looking for is impulse
@@JymVer go help but in a better way
@@JymVer Oh you make me have have a PTSD on cringe.
Bro I thought this was about the bible 😭
😂😂😂😂
It's not that far fetched
Glad you included the clips of people playing it live for the first time. Context behind each map along with general discussion by players at the time are rarely covered in retrospectives. Excellent video as always 🤌🏽
To me, this map is a sandbox map where you can do whatever you want. It also adds new experiences to these older maps. Like it's still surreal you can use the Thunder Gun against the Panzer or having a shield on a map like Verrukt. All these modern assets in older maps really makes the experience fun and separate than replaying the older maps alone which is why I love the map
I just wanna say, I discovered your channel about 2 days ago, and I know this message will get lost in the sea of comments but I must say, these zombie videos are absolutely top tier, and I am having an absolute blast watching every single one of these! You are a legend!
There was a hidden question mark after "The End". When you brighten up the image you can see it. Super neat detail
There isn’t a question mark after Revelations’s “the end”. The question mark you’re probably thinking of is the one that came after Infinite Warfare’s “the end…?” After completing the Mephistopheles boss fight
lmaoooo thats the type of stupid shit an 11 year old would come up with
Revelations is personally my all time favourite map. There’s something so fun about all the fan service and old maps which makes going around the map so fun. I also think that with all the good stuff in the Box it actually makes the Box extremely fun to hit and I just love how overpowered you become by the time you’ve got everything. It’s just pure fun mixed with a lot of welcome nostalgia and I love it.
That’s a great callout, the box is great on this map. Enough bad stuff that it’s still a bit of a gamble, but also so much good stuff that when the RNG does hit, you know you’re about to have a fun time
@@whitecliffgames Not only that there’s a lot of fun guns in the Box like the Tommy Gun or the Banshee which are always nice to get. Even if the Box moves its still fun to go after it and have an excuse to go to all the different nostalgic areas of the map.
Definitely I feel this way as well
Shit map.
The art for Revelations' skybox is top tier.
Been re-binging your videos again, so this is at a perfect time!
I agree with everything here..... except for the easter egg, I've done it multiple times, i've enjoyed it, but it just doesn't make _sense_
Felt as if the devs tried to artificially make it hard to find out about as a 'let's see you solve *this* in under a day you jackasses'
All the other eggs made sense story wise, there were hints to guide you on what to do, most obvious one being Sophia in GK, and in DE, you had character quotes telling you what to do, and even in the less clear ones like Shadows you can see the train of thought, but in Rev... 'shoot those graves in the right order, got it? Aight, now there's this small ass rock that'll spawn on the teleport pads, one of the least likley places you'll look, get the keeper there for some reason and then go and eat a sandwich for 5 minutes, done? Aight, throw those arnies in the apothicon's zombie spawn location for no reason, now shoot those random rocks, ' etc etc,
You just had to do shit randomly and hope for the best to find out about this egg, and they could have made it better while still keeping the difficulty.
They could have made the keeper rock more keeper-like and place it as decoration around all the keeper alters with an obvious spot where it's missing and has a soft blue glow like the teleport pads, they could have shown the reel stuck in the very top of the apothicon and that throwing the arnies shakes it a littlecout of it's place, they could have made the ball of light that flew when you place the kronorium have the shape of 4 eggs, just little things like that.
And other than that, it doesn't make sense story wise either, why are Sophia's bones stuck in some random rocks? Why does throwing arnies in the apothicon worm gets you a reel? Why does shooting the graves spawn that rock and why tf is it so important, why do you need to put in the reels to progress the egg? In the other maps, it made sense, you did sacrifices to let the apothicons in in shadows, you helped Sophia in gorod, you travled back in time in de and inputed codes to bring dempsy back, you know why doing such and such step progressed the easter egg in the story.
I know that it could all be hand waved away by "The universe is more fucked than a porn star currently" but it isn't.... satisfying.
Oh, and Blundell trolled us by telling us that the staffs are returning only for them to appear for 20 seconds in the end cutscene XD.
That's 100% valid, I absolutely agree with a lot of that. I like what the Easter Egg represents, and have fun doing it, and like it *as a whole* , but I was just talking on stream the other day about how it has some of the most egregious *individual steps* in how nonsensical they are. You put it perfectly, they could've had a similar level of difficulty, but while also having a sense of progression. The goal for an EE, for me, is that you understand *why* the actions you're taking are solving problems, instead of just shooting black holes at rocks just because that's something to do. And Revelations failed there, completely agree
That was literally what happened if you were around at release
So your feelings align with what happened in reality, sorry you had to jump into the community late when all this mess is happening with modern cod games
I just wish we could've gotten a great war map with the staves. It just seemed like something that was going to happen.
@@TheGreyShaman I was there on release, even watched some part of the ee hunt streams
Jesus Christ this word salad
One of my favorite things about Revelations is the fact that they revealed it back when gorod krovi came out. I might be wrong but I feel like this was the first map to really do this and it really helped build the hype that followed Gorod Krovi which already had lots of hype
A lot of people are overly critical of any fan service, and Revelations is basically Fan Service: The Map. But thats the point.
Just binged watched ALL of your zombies retrospectives and absolutely fell in love with them. Like you are killing this shit, so so so well put together and thought out. The effort you put in to explain gameplay decisions from a players perspective and what the developers may have been intending by implementing said features is such an underrated approach to understanding the games we all love, I hope you're still enjoying making these videos and hope to see more :))
this was a very well thought out and articulated video. I felt reassured that you offered criticism while still giving treyarch their due respect when necessary -- when you defended treyarch from claims of being lazy in the design in revelations, but express concerns of laziness in terms of the specialist weapons/shield, it made me sigh in relief a tiny bit
Just finished all these retrospective videos over the course of a week, fantastic quality, so wonderfully produced and thought provoking, whilst nailing feelings and explanations that I felt, but didn't necessarily realise myself. Certainly made me appreciate a lot more of the maps in hindsight, such as Buried. Great work, thank you for all of this!
I'm really glad to see another video from you. I really love the map review series. Keep it up, man.
Just binged your entire zombies retrospective, this was awesome! Can't wait to see what you put out next, zombies or otherwise!
I hope he comes back!
i was in highschool when this came out and i was in elementary school when i started playing bo1 zombies. this was the most hype i ever was for a zombie map literally counting down the days and the first time i played it was one of the best experiences ever. that being said while not perfect nor bad it just wasn’t one of those maps where i could just play just bc i felt like playing zombies. i might check out again though bc of this video
Absolutely love your channel. I’ve been binging all of your vids.
I love your editing style and obviously well-researched and passionate script and outline :)
In my opinion, the story finishing in a cycle is the most coherent thing possible thematically speaking.
I’m so glad I found you bro I’ve already watched all your zombie retrospectives and I’m in love with just how much you care and how you execute your videos and breakdowns You’ve gave me a different outlook on a handful of maps and made me remember why I fell in love with all the classics and ones I grew up with. Thank you for being a great youtuber and an even greater true zombies fan
Just watched the whole retrospective playlist and loved every minute.
Without speaking negatively about other creators, it’s always been difficult for me to get into “Zombies Retrospectives” from larger legacy content creators. They repeat the sayings and core arguments that everybody knows, and they pioneered most of them so ig I don’t blame them.
But your channel and design driven approach was super refreshing and totally engaging throughout.
Especially your section in the origins video acknowledging how bizarre and amazing it is that a franchise like COD had this artful and ambitious game mode within,, that section was so good!! Shared it with my old friends from back then
Keep going! And don’t feel tied to zombies
This got recommended to me somehow, and I clicked on it thinking the thumbnail was a minecraft house, and this was a discussion on a new shaders pack that was putting the minecraft community into disarray. I now realize it is not. I hope you all have a great time watching it though
I think the reason they added the Ragnaroks was because they're effective for trapping panzers and the reason they added the guard if fafnir was because there's fire in the boss fight so to me they did think this through
I think the way Revelations was recieved really crushed the developer's passion. They put all their heart and soul into the map as a gift to us and a part of the vocal community just stomped all over that love.
It would’ve been cool if they changed the ray gun into the specialist weapon and made it super powerful. Then give it some sort of charge up explosion. It would fit the theme of revelations being a museum and be a surprise due to the specialists being something special that wasn’t a gun and wasn’t some previous weapon they used. It would also allow the ray gun to shine again as a powerful weapon and allow you to have it without giving up a gun
I love Revelations!! They really gave us something special with this map. Especially for all of us who were there from the beginning.
i played the hell out of this map. that search for the easter egg steps was all consuming. i have so much love for this thing. it felt like a live letter to the community.
2:48 you really caught me off guard with the properly pronounced map name of de
Revelations felt like The Great War experience frl. No other map can do it. Still dying for a Great War and Revelations still holds that final showdown
Oh brother if only it did. Would've been the proper way this story to be handled. Still a ridiculous amount of coupuim from tag der toten players, my lord ...
You will never get it. The story already ended therefore it will never happen
revelations is like a guilty pleasure for me, I love going for high round on it, but I despise the tedious it is to do the easter egg, and also the hate it receives from everyone lmao, but it is such a fun map to play around and I love it
I was just curious when your next retrospective would be. Was hoping it wouldn't be another SmithPlays situation where it stopped at GK. Glad that wasn't the case!
Just found this series as I'm getting back into Zombies. Totally awesome, i look forward to more! Very well done videos.
Even the easter egg song name says that it's a gift. "The Gift"
Your videos are so good! They deserve way more recognition! Hype to see the BO4 maps next
Well DAMN! You my man have gone so far! 2 years ago, you only had 105 subscribers. Nearly 26K now! I gotta say, it's been a long journey but you did it! You did good. Love the commentary and just feel the finality... it's a shame that we may not get any new maps worth doing these in-depth analysis videos on... unless you WANT to play Vanguard-
Part of the reason the nostalgia hit so hard is that they’d kept us from all of the old maps on the PS4 gen consoles for so long.
Sorry if this is a stupid question but could you cover the Nightmares campaign just as a meme? I literally never seen anybody talk about that game mode and it was surprisingly fun for how low effort it was
They were ment to be a collage of the location from multiple realities merged from my understanding. A huge community is highly invested in the story along with the game itself.
the thing you said about how zombies isn't supposed to have an end is exactly why i can't stand the exfil system in cold war. the idea that your trapped in this hellscape purgatory forever fighting against zombies trying to figure out how to escape is the coolest narrative ever and the fact they decided to just do away with that really ruins the story for me. its why maps like shadows of evil and mob of the dead are so cool to me because of the whole story aspect of it.
yeah new zombies is horrible and generic uninspired bs camo grinding and target practice super bland crap
and like who TF is dr peck and why is he popping up on my screen every 5 minutes to tell me shit like im in a campign mission😂and campign characters like weaver, shits an entire joke, now they are also using richtofens name for some reason even though the new character has absolutely nothing to do with him, only shares similarities in name and appearance lmfao this new age progressive DEI hire development team couldnt make something cool like blundell or zielinsky if their lives depended on it😂I have no idea why the people who are working on zombies are working zombies and who tf they are but it's nobody from bo4 or earlier that knows what theyre doing, that's for damn sure
It’s literally just an option to end a high round game without having to die that’s the whole point of it
@@MS-fq6nfarguably you could just quit the game. the issue also isn’t the fact that there is an exfill, it’s just how it’s implemented that makes it feel lame to some people
The reward for the Thrashers was a speed boost cloud if you defeated them with the wonder weapon.
As a HUGE zombies fan, Revelations was just pure foreverism for manbabies
Bold of you to tell me I'm wrong about Revelations and then make an entire video saying stuff that I agree with
What a great start to the weekend, a whitecliffgames upload. Cant wait to watch this and share with my boys.
Thanks for completing the saga
the thing about the shield is that it was supposed to be the soe shield as seen in a early trailer
The fragmented design of the layout I think is actually good. It shows the effects of the shadow man in the opening cutscene and also shows how ultimus sorta screwed everything up
Again despite best efforts and sorta merger different maps from different periods of time.
Great vid I’ll see you guys for bo4 zombies in another 4 months
Wooo another White Cliff video. Rev is my favorite Treyarch map and my 2nd favorite zombies map overall, only being behind Spaceland
What if I'm your opinion? Then you're wrong about me being wrong but you're wrong, so everything is wrong
Maybe
Revelations just irritates me. It might be a fun map, but it feels so redundant with Chronicles. I can’t help but feel like it took a spot from another insane BO3 original map. It was gonna be the Origins of BO3 (before anyone knew Origins was coming to BO3) and all it does is make me mad that we didn’t have a MOTD remake in BO3 lol
I love the first room in Revelations, so I just can’t help but wonder what an entire original map would’ve been like.
Agree with everything you said. Love revelations. Also, the Easter egg song is one of my favorites I swear. “The Gift” is such a great zombie killing song
we have to give a special shoutout to the ee song. "The Gift" is so underrated and it's so goddamn good.
but if you think about it the meaning of revelations is literally the making known of something that was previously secret so in these previous maps the unknown was the shadow man and monty we saw the shadow man turning the world into ruins which made a clusterF of the maps we played on. it fits perfectly.
I mean it was meant to be the grand finale and it managed to be exactly that, a big Avangers endgame type battle with every place and enemy from our past and the universe on the brink of collapse. Only in the shield/specialist department they could have been more creative like you said. Maybe have it be Apothicon themed like the rest of the map
I mean I remember sayin back in Black ops 2 days that it would be so awesome to make a map thats just all the other maps together, I was so hyped when I found out thats exactly whats about to happen only to find out it was just small bits of very few maps. Im pretty sure the BO3 engine could handle the load of having several full flegded OG maps at the same time
I think it was pretty fun to play! Really loved trying to figure the map out for myself
Amazing video bro quick note on the ciphers don’t know accurate it is or was but I made a video a while back showing the deciphered ciphers and I just use an AI to solve them and they were basically just postive quotes like never give up stuff like that
Treyark needs to hire Jimmy Z to do chronicles 2 on bo6
Hey, can you post again? I started watching your videos the other day and I've gone through 'em all
thankies bro
Dr Monty played Alex, the main character in A Clockwork Orange.
A fav feeling zombies brought me, was back on kino hearing richtofens little remarks as you played & interacted w things..seein the FAUST devil painting on the wall & that illuminati lookin floatin pyramid head..it FELT like something way bigger was at play but at that time i knew nothing..we all didnt.
It felt like a moment in Rosemary's Baby when it clicked a bit early that something w those old ppl was way off n i was like hm..theres a lot more goin on here😂
I had just started rewatching this series yesterday and wouldn't you know the conclusion drops.
If I had to describe revelations with one word it would be "hamfisted".
To say I hate this map would be be inaccurate, I am completely apathetic to it which I would argue is worse than it being bad.
I can't imagine pixel hunting for bones being ant fun. That's not the developers trusting players. That's the developers artificially forcing an Easter egg to take longer than necessary
i do think it made the map way clearer to seperate into 4 islands because if it was only connected parcels of all those maps it would have been complicated to find yourself on the map. also it tottaly fits the aestatics and the logic of what's going on meaning that all those zones were taken from their location and displaced here. in that sens it should have been only floating island, separated. Personaly i never taught of it, never bothered
You have no idea how much I enjoyed Revelations. Goated map
Even though it is carried by nostalgia, it's still one of the best Zombies maps in history to me
As a new player, I find rev to be so much fun. I would love to try the map without jump pads or teleporters though.
It’s one the funnest easiest stages to play. And has multiple special weapons. And it doesn’t take to long to get to the boss fight. Depending what you wanna do. It’s all around a great map.
I remember doing high rounds on revelations and the death machine drop would stop killing at around 40+
I absolutely LOVE revelations. One of my favorite BO3 maps. I think it has so many fun training spots, fun lore, nostalgia fun, crazy mash-up of bosses, and (most importantly) it is not hard. You can just hop in and have a great time without figuring out the crazy stuff. I love that about the map. I love the complex Easter eggs, and Zetsubou No Shima is great because of it. . . But I also want a crazy fun map that doesn’t need a ton of set-up. The smoothness of revelations is great, I think it takes skill to make all the maps connect into one.
fantastic video as always. I love Rev a lot, I do feel it is the perfect ending, and while I understand people's frustration at the lack of closure or whatever, it makes perfect use of the cyclical nature of the mode, as well as kind of ending on a friendly wink from the developers.
WaW-BO2's tone with characters and story was almost completely farcical and comedic and absurd. Richtofen being comically gay, Nikolai's wives and vodka, the main antagonist being a little girl and her dog fluffy controlling zombies from the moon, most everything to do with Victis, etc.
The ending works in two ways. You get the satisfying and emotional ending of Monty and the children being able to live on in safety at the end of the loop in Agartha. Efforts weren't for nothing, that still stands in that timeline forever.
But on top of that, you get the satisfaction of finding out Primis were the actual staff 1.0 wielders in the real Great War. I think a lot of people forget now that that was an actual surprise reveal at the time. It makes Origins even more meaningful in retrospect, considering these characters are actually fighting both versions of the Great War.
As I said as well, it exists as a wink from the developers as well, it's an epic ending seeing Primis with the 1.0 Staffs, but it's comical as well. Their defiance of Monty through the blood vials means that, yes the stay in existence, but have to go back to the beginning and fight yet again. The unending cycle. While Primis are the heroes, it's not their story, it's Sam and the children's. It's beautifully poetic and much more emotionally resonant than what was done on Tag imo.
Anyway, fantastic video. Always nice to see someone complimenting Rev rather than trashing it.
I love that way of looking at the ending, how it works on all levels; I totally agree! You've got the metatextual commentary about the game, while still having something that actually matters emotionally to latch on to, and all wrapped up in something that feels very at home in this game, following the tradition of never giving the most satisfying answers and leaving things open-ended. Great write up, glad you agree!!
Richtofen isn't gay he's got a German accent, and a Russian liking vodka and having a bunch of wives is maybe the least shocking thing I could think of.
@@Jim-qz6vp I feel you've completely missed every point I made lol
I hope you do a video like this about Leviathan. I know it's a custom map, but it could also be a commentary on the custom zombies community as a whole
a bunch of maps i don't like and/or have already put thousands of hours into ...instead of making just 1 new map, honestly that's probably why they decided to make zombies chronicles, to grab that extra cash after reusing the assets
Great work.. I've loved all the videos.. love zombies.. are you going to do bo4 both stories and cw and mwz?
What I find really odd, is how EVERY SINGLE ONE who looks back on zombies and makes a video about it only ever talks about easter eggs and objectives.
My guy... There is a part of the community that plays for high rounds. They have a different perspective entirely than the easter egg crowd that moves on after a year.
Revelations is SHIT from a highround perspective, because it's trivial to get a 100 and getting 255 isn't all that hard either. Might as well look at paint dry. Revelations is about as entertaining for someone who wnats to grind rounds as nacht der untoten is for someone that wants to solve a 38 step easter egg.
Its not that odd. High round players are part of a niche community in relation to the entire zombies community. Not everyone want to hit round 100 in a single game or people aren't just good enough to do it. This channel as well as many others speak for the general community. Its just the way it is. For example, I can talk about marvel movies to almost anyone, but once I mention Dr. Stranglove, no one will bat an eye. Most won't be interested in an old black and white film or Stanley Kubrick. But film enthusiasts praise Kubrick and is very famous within a smaller community.
It´s always a great to see one of your videos. Cheers.
i actually really liked revelations, it was a fun map and i liked how it was all previous maps mixed into one.
The guys that press x on every crumb of the map swayed public opinion on this map and did my boy Rev wrong.
can we start a MOVEMENT for a mass wave of people to hop back on rev to try and solve these syphers
I watched all your videos man and you should do a full zombies storyline break down!
This video has me starting up a game of revelations
Awesome video man!
Great video men! Question are you also gonna talk about bo4 maps?
Yes!
Return of the King (again)!
I gotta stop leaving so I don't need to keep returning, huh
@@whitecliffgamesexactly! I’m excited for Black Ops 4 videos.
Gobblegums speed up the process of getting wondersweapons to help the RNG
Any plans to start retrospectives on BO4 and Cold War?
This dude deserves millions of subs
Are you going to do the following zombies maps too? I’d love to hear your opinions on those
Its one of the best casual and high round maps. The map falls flat within its easter egg and Originality. I like the concept of meshing together maps but it needed alittle more Originality also. We needed a new wonder weapon or the summoing key specialist. The map is also incomplete from dataminers claiming moon was supposed to be in the map and we were gonna get to fight two bosses chosing between Shadowman and Dr monty according to Craig Houston in Comic con 2018. Its like the new features in Bo4 remakes couldve been in Revelations instead like the Magmagat and the lab from Blood of the dead.
alex delarge being in zombies is so crazy
2015-2017 were the years.
Being a part of the zombies community during 3's lifecycle was..
Ethereal.
I don't think anyone, who wasn't there, can really understand the weight and intensity that Rev had, for long time fans.
From guns, map layout, characters, voice lines, to even something like reused music that takes you back.
Take me back to 2016. I want to relive black ops 3's life all over again.
(Also gave us some of the best easter egg songs in any zombies game, Dead Again, Dead Flowers, Dead Ended, and The Gift are gorgeous songs.)
Bo3 was the first zombies I touched tbh, and even then it was a lot of fun.
Without the 5 base maps of the game, I'm not sure I'd have ever went back to play chronicles and those maps.
i used to be sort of a casual player until i played revelations, which was my first solo round 100. after 5 hours of somewhat tedious gameplay i felt so happy and accomplished, and any time on bo3 i was trying to up prestige master levels i knew i had to just start revelations and farm XP. after my first round 100 i started a quest to get higher rounds on every other map, not very successful with my highests being 80 on moon, 73 origins, 66 kino, 48 der eisendrache, 45 zetsubou and so on... but revelations transformed me from being just passionate about the lore to being passionate about improving my skills and doing all the Easter eggs and getting high rounds. my biggest flex is my bo3 account, with all the easter zombies calling cards and prestige master both on multi and zombies, as well as dark matter. bo3 and bo4 are my favourite games, bo2 being the third favourite for nostalgia reasons as it was the first cod i played consistently from 2013 to 2019
POSTING AGAIN BABY!
Imagine if all of BO3 was on last gen. Revelations would be absolutely hilarious
it is the end of the world that the gk wonder weapon is only in the box because i still to this day have never used the ray gun mark 3
Will you be doing bo4 maps as well?
Yes! This is not the end!