I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. I am just about to build my own motobcane with this exact motor. I think you confirmed exactly what I was wondering. Please keep us posted on any longevity issues. Thanks again!
Torque sensor makes you want to use motor even on flats during long hilly rides (17%, 50 milea) compared to high rpm throttle in granny gear to reduce strain on the chain. Torque sensors are good for technical offroad riding to increase traction control on ice.
Great video , fitted my DZ8 about a month ago , I'm always on level 5 , got the EKD01 display with mine , what a great upgrade from the TSD2Bb , great torque and smooth and quiet , very haply ,has great pull
Good question! There is no lead from the controller for a shift sensor on the TSDZ2B. I have built a few of these and never thought I would need a shift sensor. The TSDZ8 on the other hand has a lead for the sensor and it definitely helps smooth out the shifting.
Accidently ran across your channel searching for TSDZ8 reviews. Great job, you covered just about everything I needed to know. I too enjoy building ebikes and am thinking about using a TSDZ8 for my next build. I tend to use budget mountain bikes for my builds, I've built Schwinn Axum/BBSO2B, Ozark Trail Ridge/TSDZ2, Gravity Trail HD/TSDZ2b, and a Gravity Bullseye Monster/BBSO2B. While I always use a shift sensor for the Bafang builds, I never put one on a TongSheng due to them being torque sensed. What are your thoughts on that?
Thanks for the question! I have used shift sensors on my BBS builds as they have a lead for the sensor and it definitely smooths out the shifts. The TSDZ2B builds I have done have not required a shift sensor and don’t have a wire lead for it. I can definitely say there’s a difference with the TSDZ8 motor and it has a lead from the controller for the shift sensor. I have run it with and without the sensor plugged in and much prefer it with the sensor working. The shift sensor is the same one that Bafang bbs motors use. Hope this helps! Reach out if you have any other questions.
Enjoying your videos. From Conneaut Lake, looks like we ride a lot of the same trails. Putting together a TSDZ8/EKD01 build. With the battery you used on this build, how much power would you use going around Wilhelm without pedaling? Would the fully charged battery do the job? Thinking about a UPP battery, which website do you order from?
Thank you for watching my videos! We are blessed to live in a beautiful place with lots of places to ride and enjoy 😊 We ride around Wilhelm a lot!! We live about 5 minutes away! I have never used throttle only when riding around the lake. I believe it would make it, but not sure 🤔 The TSDZ8 is a torque sensor motor and the throttle is more less an on/off switch. The BBS Bafang motors are much better for that purpose as they have a much better throttle function. I typically get my batteries from UPP on Amazon. The video of the Taz 3 has a g56 battery from AliExpress which is 14 ah. This is a slimmer battery to fit in that frame. I appreciate your interest! I’ll have more videos coming up as I get time 🤓
The software for the tsdz2b isn't being developed anymore. Also what I have seen in the stores the latest versions all have a newer ESC, meaning OBF software can't be flashed onto it. Anyways thanks for the video
Great video Michael, I have a bbso2b 750w at present but looking for a motor with a torque sensor , just wondering if you know the power settings of the 1-5? eg. Level 5 is 400% like on most factory E mtb’s? And the software is that like on the Bafang motors, I’ve programmed my 750w with the cable but I’ve read somewhere that it doesn’t work with the tong motors? Not that I’d bother as with the torque sensor I don’t think it will be necessary to fine tune the power levels.
Thank you for the kind words! I’m not sure the percentages of power for each of the 5 levels. I pretty much leave it on level 5 and it doesn’t draw much power until I start pushing hard. It reminds me of a BBS02B if it came with a torque sensor. The first two levels are nearly useless, 3 through 5 are progressively more powerful. Currently there isn’t an easy way to program the software like the Bafang Configuration tool. It’s my opinion that they will develop a way to update the software and add in tuning options. All that said, I’m glad I bought the motor and I’m looking forward to seeing what the future holds for programming.
@@MRJohnson01 Thanks for your video. Question: Is that an EKD01 display you have - i.e., the display that came with the tsdz8 motor? Could you please share the name and model # of the display? thanks!
@@terragady Sorry for the late response! I bought it on AliExpress. The store I got it from is out of stock currently I believe. Mine was around $400USD.
Thanks for the question! I favor a torque sensor motor. With the BBS02b motor you have cadence sensing. The Bafang motor has a ton of aftermarket support and parts if needed. The BBS02 is very reliable and you will enjoy it for your first build. I would also consider the TSDZ2B with OSF. I currently have 2 of them and they are fun and very natural feeling. If you do the research you can buy a 48 volt TSDZ2B and install the OSF with your PC. There is so many options out there! For raw power and reliability you could go with the BBSHD. Honestly overall right now the TSDZ2B with OSF is my go to motor. It’s a fun to ride and lightweight torque sensor motor and there’s good parts availability. If they get the programming right and make parts available for the TSDZ8 then I would definitely recommend it.
I don’t have any experience with the Bosch CX but I think this TSDZ8 would be much more powerful! Mine is paired with a 52 volt battery. Based on what I have heard about the CX is that it might be better for Offroad technical trails.
@@MRJohnson01 Bosch cx have about 840w on peak,but what separates it from others is how much power it gives the rider at high cadence,so in practice its difficult to beat a Bosch cx uphill with the Bafang bbs 02
I would say with a 52 volt battery the TSDZ8 would annihilate the Bosch CX. It would peak over 1000 watts when pushed. I’m sure the CX would have a better torque sensor and be more sensitive. I own the Bbs02b and the TSDZ8. The TSDZ8 is much stronger at climbing hills than the Bbs02.
@@MRJohnson01 is tsdz8 stronger than bbs02 at the same power?does both motor have same amper controller and same voltage?is there any difference when it comes to overheating between theese two motors?
I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. I am just about to build my own motobcane with this exact motor. I think you confirmed exactly what I was wondering. Please keep us posted on any longevity issues. Thanks again!
Thank you for your kind words! I really appreciate you taking the time to comment. I love the hobby and will have more videos in the future.
Torque sensor makes you want to use motor even on flats during long hilly rides (17%, 50 milea) compared to high rpm throttle in granny gear to reduce strain on the chain. Torque sensors are good for technical offroad riding to increase traction control on ice.
Great video , fitted my DZ8 about a month ago , I'm always on level 5 , got the EKD01 display with mine , what a great upgrade from the TSD2Bb , great torque and smooth and quiet , very haply ,has great pull
Thanks! Totally agree!! Really enjoying mine too. I’m looking forward to building another bike with the same motor 😎
Maybe you know - Tsdz2b supports shift-sensor? Thanks
Good question! There is no lead from the controller for a shift sensor on the TSDZ2B. I have built a few of these and never thought I would need a shift sensor. The TSDZ8 on the other hand has a lead for the sensor and it definitely helps smooth out the shifting.
@MRJohnson01 thanx! I wanted to buy Bafang.. but in the end i am buying Tongsheng)
Accidently ran across your channel searching for TSDZ8 reviews. Great job, you covered just about everything I needed to know. I too enjoy building ebikes and am thinking about using a TSDZ8 for my next build. I tend to use budget mountain bikes for my builds, I've built Schwinn Axum/BBSO2B, Ozark Trail Ridge/TSDZ2, Gravity Trail HD/TSDZ2b, and a Gravity Bullseye Monster/BBSO2B. While I always use a shift sensor for the Bafang builds, I never put one on a TongSheng due to them being torque sensed. What are your thoughts on that?
Thanks for the question! I have used shift sensors on my BBS builds as they have a lead for the sensor and it definitely smooths out the shifts. The TSDZ2B builds I have done have not required a shift sensor and don’t have a wire lead for it. I can definitely say there’s a difference with the TSDZ8 motor and it has a lead from the controller for the shift sensor. I have run it with and without the sensor plugged in and much prefer it with the sensor working. The shift sensor is the same one that Bafang bbs motors use. Hope this helps! Reach out if you have any other questions.
Wondering, if this motor would be good to run as a single speed.🤔
I haven’t tried it, but that’s definitely something that I could see working 🤔
Enjoying your videos. From Conneaut Lake, looks like we ride a lot of the same trails. Putting together a TSDZ8/EKD01 build. With the battery you used on this build, how much power would you use going around Wilhelm without pedaling? Would the fully charged battery do the job? Thinking about a UPP battery, which website do you order from?
Thank you for watching my videos! We are blessed to live in a beautiful place with lots of places to ride and enjoy 😊
We ride around Wilhelm a lot!!
We live about 5 minutes away!
I have never used throttle only when riding around the lake. I believe it would make it, but not sure 🤔 The TSDZ8 is a torque sensor motor and the throttle is more less an on/off switch. The BBS Bafang motors are much better for that purpose as they have a much better throttle function.
I typically get my batteries from UPP on Amazon. The video of the Taz 3 has a g56 battery from AliExpress which is 14 ah. This is a slimmer battery to fit in that frame. I appreciate your interest! I’ll have more videos coming up as I get time 🤓
Toseven DM02? It would be great to see comparison between TSDZ2B/8 and DM02.
I’d like to do that comparison!
I don’t currently own that motor.
The software for the tsdz2b isn't being developed anymore. Also what I have seen in the stores the latest versions all have a newer ESC, meaning OBF software can't be flashed onto it. Anyways thanks for the video
Great video Michael, I have a bbso2b 750w at present but looking for a motor with a torque sensor , just wondering if you know the power settings of the 1-5? eg. Level 5 is 400% like on most factory E mtb’s? And the software is that like on the Bafang motors, I’ve programmed my 750w with the cable but I’ve read somewhere that it doesn’t work with the tong motors? Not that I’d bother as with the torque sensor I don’t think it will be necessary to fine tune the power levels.
Thank you for the kind words! I’m not sure the percentages of power for each of the 5 levels. I pretty much leave it on level 5 and it doesn’t draw much power until I start pushing hard. It reminds me of a BBS02B if it came with a torque sensor. The first two levels are nearly useless, 3 through 5 are progressively more powerful. Currently there isn’t an easy way to program the software like the Bafang Configuration tool. It’s my opinion that they will develop a way to update the software and add in tuning options. All that said, I’m glad I bought the motor and I’m looking forward to seeing what the future holds for programming.
thanks for the review 👍 i might buy this motor soon, did you find out how to update this motor software?
Thanks for watching!
No, I haven’t been able to update the software yet. I’m sure someone will figure it out soon 😉
did you have to program the display to work with tsdz8? Or it was a ready kit?
The display came with the motor and was already working properly.
@@MRJohnson01 nice, where did you buy it? For me I see only available option is pswpower, found some on ebay but they do not ship to Norway :(
Is the tsdz8 quieter than the tsdz2 because I find the tsdz2 very noisy.
@@MRJohnson01 Thanks for your video. Question: Is that an EKD01 display you have - i.e., the display that came with the tsdz8 motor? Could you please share the name and model # of the display? thanks!
@@terragady
Sorry for the late response!
I bought it on AliExpress. The store I got it from is out of stock currently I believe. Mine was around $400USD.
this for 410 or a bbs02 for 340 for first build?
Thanks for the question! I favor a torque sensor motor. With the BBS02b motor you have cadence sensing. The Bafang motor has a ton of aftermarket support and parts if needed. The BBS02 is very reliable and you will enjoy it for your first build. I would also consider the TSDZ2B with OSF. I currently have 2 of them and they are fun and very natural feeling. If you do the research you can buy a 48 volt TSDZ2B and install the OSF with your PC. There is so many options out there! For raw power and reliability you could go with the BBSHD. Honestly overall right now the TSDZ2B with OSF is my go to motor. It’s a fun to ride and lightweight torque sensor motor and there’s good parts availability. If they get the programming right and make parts available for the TSDZ8 then I would definitely recommend it.
Stronger than Bosch cx?
I don’t have any experience with the Bosch CX but I think this TSDZ8 would be much more powerful!
Mine is paired with a 52 volt battery. Based on what I have heard about the CX is that it might be better for Offroad technical trails.
@@MRJohnson01 Bosch cx have about 840w on peak,but what separates it from others is how much power it gives the rider at high cadence,so in practice its difficult to beat a Bosch cx uphill with the Bafang bbs 02
@@wrosslandwr8032just use the throttle on the bbs.
I would say with a 52 volt battery the TSDZ8 would annihilate the Bosch CX. It would peak over 1000 watts when pushed. I’m sure the CX would have a better torque sensor and be more sensitive. I own the Bbs02b and the TSDZ8. The TSDZ8 is much stronger at climbing hills than the Bbs02.
@@MRJohnson01 is tsdz8 stronger than bbs02 at the same power?does both motor have same amper controller and same voltage?is there any difference when it comes to overheating between theese two motors?
thank you, nice review
Glad you liked it!
do long range/distance test ;) (without throttle, on 1st level assist) regards... ;)
Lol, I could probably ride across the United States 😁
@@MRJohnson01 do it ;) ;) regards from Poland ;)