Favorite! Thank you for this discussion. So many great things to ponder, but also, both of you have such a calming and soothing voice, it was relaxing. Some discussions out there are just a lot of yelling and talking over one another. Thank you :)
Thank you for making this channel. I had a difficult day feeling lonely in family while I destruct my faith. I appreciate everything that was shared here💚
I'm from the middle-American Boston area with very religious but not evangelical parents, I became an atheist at age 11, and I've met many dozens of atheists in the fifty years since. What I haven't encountered is this "losing my religion" trauma that is common on UA-cam, Fortunately, my parents are still alive and my atheism has never caused any trouble within the family, but it isn't just me, I have never known an atheist to suffer this "big emotional trauma". Have I been oblivious to the obvious?
I enjoyed all of Seth's books and I love his podcast. I've actually managed to get on three episodes as a caller, most recently the show about purity culture. I was thankfully raised without religion, a conscious decision by my Catholic-raised folks, but my very first girlfriend, already sheltered because of having a visual impairment (we met at a school for the blind), was definitely also indoctrinated into purity culture. She was and is a devout Christian, already a bone of contention in our relationship, and the fact that my parents were more easygoing than hers in the matter of their children's dating lives also caused some problems for us. So when Seth did the purity culture episode a few months back I called in to share a story that pertained to it.
I call it a BLOOD SACRIFICE DEATH CULT. I love Seth…he’s helped me a lot with his channel. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 It’s a good thing that we can’t un-see things that we’ve seen about the Bible and Christianity.
Beautiful discussion. Lots of great insights. Very refreshing. One of the best videos i listened on religious deconversion. Fully resonate. Keep on doing what you do. Thank you very much.
@32:00 "when I busted out of that religious corset"... excellent analogy. Also "fundamentalism would have us starve to death at a buffet table." The god believer is afraid us atheists will approach the buffet table and eat until we are sick, leaving nothing for others. They fear that without god we will live completely unrestrained. Some fear themselves - how they think they would behave without a god belief. But atheists follow secular laws just like theists. And secular humanists are generally self restrained because it is the right thing to do.
Seth is a powerhouse...glad to see him on your channel. Thankfully I was raised by Catholic atheists so I never had to contend with freeing myself from religion. That said, my family hasn't escaped entirely unscathed on account of Jehovah Witnesses-ism infecting a large part of my family. Growing up around this family schism has always made me acutely aware of the very real harm fundamental religion can pose to people themselves as well as those they care about. Good luck with the channel. Shout out to Seth, Christopher Hitchens and Lloyd Evans.
I listened to an interesting conversation on another atheistic podcast today. The young, teenaged children of the caller to the show had encouraged the call. The caller insisted that he continued to believe in a deity, despite all lack of evidence for that deity. The reason I'm commenting here is because the teenaged children were apparently atheists or on their way to becoming atheists, and were encouraging their father to "come to the light", as it were. A different dynamic than that which so many people think of.
Thank you both. This is the perfect video to introduce Seth (whom we've been following for over 18 months) to our friends. :) And looking forward to finding out more about Janice and her work. :)
You all made me realize that my journey matches up with all that you all report…and the hardest part was being with the anxiety and the uncomfortable relating until i felt grounded in my true nature…a non-believer!
... I had the good fortune of being raised by a moderate Anglican mother and a rebellious ex Catholic father. My Dad accompanied my Mom with the kids to a nice neutral-feeling Protestant Church (when we kids were quite young - mostly to keep Mom happy. Dad's rebellion was born of mistreatment by Teacher/Nuns in a small Country Town in the 1920's (he was born in 1916), Mom's experience was far more pleasant. In 1976, I married my high school sweetheart and we're still together. She was a moderate Protestant, and I a burgeoning Agnostic, destined to become an Atheist. At 16, my young lady was Christened into the Mormon Church - Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints. I was not exactly happy about this, but it WAS her right to decide this, not mine. Over time, my (by then) wife came to doubt many of the Mormon teachings, possibly due to MY lack of faith (which had faded pretty much into nothing by then), but I had never made any effort to disabuse her of her beliefs. Once we had kids, we pretty much repeated my own Parents route - she wanting to get our kids Christened (as nice neutral-feeling Protestants), and I - not wishing to push my feelings on my family, reenacted my Dad's routine. I didn't join in the Prayers or the Singing, I just had my head bowed respectfully and my eyes open - not a hypocrite just a respectful observer. Now, at 69 years of age, (my wife is 67), I am still an Atheist, although a far more vocal one, and my Wife is still a Christian - though no longer a Mormon. My 34 year old Son is an Atheist (having come by that position based upon his OWN experiences in life) and my 39 year old Daughter is a Lutheran - having married a German from Northern Ontario ... Everybody's happy and there is little discussion of Religion in our family, not because it is a hot-button issue, but because we all feel free to believe the things we believe ... ☮
Does he really mean discovering Humanism rather that his humanity? If so that's a different discussion with different frameworks. Humanism as a sub group within atheism while discovering your humanity being a connection with others on a personal level (rather than in philosophically terms). You can connect with people without embracing atheism and Humanism. I realize some people may not get there's a difference.
I know some Jewish people (Reform) who are humanists, as well. However, this discussion was largely about him reconnecting to his own humanity, as the title implies.
I like to listen to your speak. I was in the religion for many years. But I was never comfortable with it! Sometimes it was fun. My economy was good. But then I got tired? It's a abuse! And I read 1000 Cristian books! I was in. But I had always some bad feeling! I got so tired! And I was evangelist for 30 years!? I'm to tired to explain to people? I don't care anymore. I'm better off now without religion!?
It sounds like you were very committed to doing work that you felt you had to do. I'm glad you've been able to step back from it and engage in questioning those religious beliefs. Being freed from religious burdens is wonderful. You don't have to explain your choices to anyone! I hope you enjoy your freedom.
I don't find those hopeful secular fairytales, as expressed at the end of this piece, to offer much hope. Take a long view of humankind. Our struggles will continue, in much the same way. Sadly, we humans have been dealt an unplayable hand. Endeavor to define and practice decency. That's often the best one can do.
Human thinking is a natural thought, spiritual thinking is a divine thought. Spirituality adds to the natural man making him complete. There is no trauma for faith in Christ unless you are not fully engaged and transformed by the renewing of the mind in Jesus. Bad thoughts come from people not God. God loves us enough to die for us and collect us into His fold. You need to focus on God and do what God says, hell is not trauma for the righteous. Hell is trauma for those who do not believe in Christ. people wonder why God doesnt literally show up to everyone all over the world. The answer is religious trauma.
@@jajkat Neither have i, but i have interacted with demons, and seen the aura of angels. These are literal things. But my experiences are worthless to you. With great sacrifice comes great responsibility.
@@joshuamartinpryce1237 There’s no trauma at all if you don’t get taken in by religious BS Their religion convinced you that you need saving from their Jesus/god/not god, and only their religion can save you. Ever felt like you’ve been conned?
Good work, Joyce, but too much mhmm… mmhm… umnhn. Just quit the subvocalizations until you actually have something to say. It was the same with Matt. There is an expectation that women need to always be supportive to every word. Umhum said between every word the other person is saying is just distracting.
It's really incredible how polished people expect free content to be! 😮 Thanks for your time and effort in creating these videos, and I appreciate your keeping it real with all of the pauses and subvocalizations included. To me, it makes you work all the more approachable and inspiring! ❤
Favorite! Thank you for this discussion. So many great things to ponder, but also, both of you have such a calming and soothing voice, it was relaxing. Some discussions out there are just a lot of yelling and talking over one another. Thank you :)
I'm so glad you enjoyed our podcast chat! Thanks for the encouragement.
@@ComeToCORT Awww, the honor of being a pinned comment! :) Thank you!
Thanks Janice! Great interview! And yes Seth is right! 80s music was music of my young adulthood as well! 80s New Wave for me!!!!
I'm so grateful to have met these two beautiful people at a time in my life when I was ready to really lean in to the truth.
How wonderful! Thank you for watching and commenting.
Wow, what a first guest! Can't get enough of Seth Andrews.
I know, I was surprised, too! He is a great guest and a thoughtful speaker.
Seth is my all-time favourite Athiest. His speech titled " The God of Cancer " did it for me.
Yes, he is fantastic. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for making this channel. I had a difficult day feeling lonely in family while I destruct my faith. I appreciate everything that was shared here💚
You're very welcome! I also host an online support group. Visit my website to learn more: www.divorcing-religion.com
What a coincidence - I just watched Seth's Blood Cult video yesterday!
Thank you for posting all of this amazing material. ❤❤❤
Seth is terrific. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
Amazing first guest!! ❤
I agree! Seth is a fan favourite, for sure. And that dreamy voice... 😏Thanks for watching.
Seth Andrews- what a radio voice!
He's dreamy, alright!
Wow. Seth has a great channel and I can personally relate to what he deals with in his family.
Yes, he is terrific. Glad you subscribe to his channel!
I'm from the middle-American Boston area with very religious but not evangelical parents, I became an atheist at age 11, and I've met many dozens of atheists in the fifty years since. What I haven't encountered is this "losing my religion" trauma that is common on UA-cam, Fortunately, my parents are still alive and my atheism has never caused any trouble within the family, but it isn't just me, I have never known an atheist to suffer this "big emotional trauma". Have I been oblivious to the obvious?
Possibly, yes. We don't know unless others disclose their own experiences to us. Many atheists grew up in fundamentalist homes and bear the scars.
Wow.. you’re telling my story
Sorry you can relate, glad you got out.
I enjoyed all of Seth's books and I love his podcast. I've actually managed to get on three episodes as a caller, most recently the show about purity culture. I was thankfully raised without religion, a conscious decision by my Catholic-raised folks, but my very first girlfriend, already sheltered because of having a visual impairment (we met at a school for the blind), was definitely also indoctrinated into purity culture. She was and is a devout Christian, already a bone of contention in our relationship, and the fact that my parents were more easygoing than hers in the matter of their children's dating lives also caused some problems for us. So when Seth did the purity culture episode a few months back I called in to share a story that pertained to it.
Seth is terrific! Thanks for watching and commenting. Religion definitely complicates relationships.
I call it a BLOOD SACRIFICE DEATH CULT. I love Seth…he’s helped me a lot with his channel. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
It’s a good thing that we can’t un-see things that we’ve seen about the Bible and Christianity.
I agree - Seth is a real gem! Thanks for watching and commenting.
More like this please
I'll sure try! Thanks for watching.
Seth is so cool. I come from a similar background.
He sure is! I am glad that you also found your way out!
Beautiful discussion. Lots of great insights. Very refreshing. One of the best videos i listened on religious deconversion. Fully resonate. Keep on doing what you do. Thank you very much.
Thank you! Seth is a very thoughtful human and great to interview on such topics.
@32:00 "when I busted out of that religious corset"... excellent analogy. Also "fundamentalism would have us starve to death at a buffet table." The god believer is afraid us atheists will approach the buffet table and eat until we are sick, leaving nothing for others. They fear that without god we will live completely unrestrained. Some fear themselves - how they think they would behave without a god belief. But atheists follow secular laws just like theists. And secular humanists are generally self restrained because it is the right thing to do.
Excellent point! Thanks for watching.
Great show! Always like " the thinking Atheist " host Seth Andrews. Thank you
He's so enjoyable to listen to and it's not just his awesome voice.
Thanks, Dawn! I really enjoyed interviewing Seth.
Seth is a powerhouse...glad to see him on your channel. Thankfully I was raised by Catholic atheists so I never had to contend with freeing myself from religion. That said, my family hasn't escaped entirely unscathed on account of Jehovah Witnesses-ism infecting a large part of my family. Growing up around this family schism has always made me acutely aware of the very real harm fundamental religion can pose to people themselves as well as those they care about. Good luck with the channel.
Shout out to Seth, Christopher Hitchens and Lloyd Evans.
Thanks for the encouragement! Glad your folks were nonbelievers and raised you to eschew fundamentalism.
I listened to an interesting conversation on another atheistic podcast today. The young, teenaged children of the caller to the show had encouraged the call. The caller insisted that he continued to believe in a deity, despite all lack of evidence for that deity. The reason I'm commenting here is because the teenaged children were apparently atheists or on their way to becoming atheists, and were encouraging their father to "come to the light", as it were. A different dynamic than that which so many people think of.
Very interesting! I hope the caller was open to a new perspective. Thanks for commenting!
Seth is a huge guest for you to land for your inaugural episode. Congrats! Love the 2 episodes so far. Keep it up. From Victoria BC.
Thanks for the encouragement!
Amazing! What a fantastic first guest. Congratulations on your new podcast!
Thank you very much! We are so pleased!
I hope to hear much more from you Janice, you couldn't have started with a better guest! Welcome to the community!💙💙
Thank you so much, Jack! It was an honor to interview Seth. I hope many people find Divorcing Religion to be an interesting and helpful podcast.
So good. The words “rebellious” and “embarrassment” and other experiences resonated strong with me.
Yes, those words hit home.
Thank you both. This is the perfect video to introduce Seth (whom we've been following for over 18 months) to our friends. :) And looking forward to finding out more about Janice and her work. :)
I'm so glad you enjoyed it. Thaks for sharing it - and thanks for the encouragement!
Amazing! Congrats on this much needed podcast. 💖
Thanks, Barb! It's rewarding to see it come to fruition. I hope folks feel encouraged to embrace secular life, making the most of every moment.
You all made me realize that my journey matches up with all that you all report…and the hardest part was being with the anxiety and the uncomfortable relating until i felt grounded in my true nature…a non-believer!
Well done reconnecting with your true nature! Glad you enjoyed our chat.
Comment for the UA-cam algorithm
Appreciated, thanks!
... I had the good fortune of being raised by a moderate Anglican mother and a rebellious ex Catholic father. My Dad accompanied my Mom with the kids to a nice neutral-feeling Protestant Church (when we kids were quite young - mostly to keep Mom happy.
Dad's rebellion was born of mistreatment by Teacher/Nuns in a small Country Town in the 1920's (he was born in 1916), Mom's experience was far more pleasant.
In 1976, I married my high school sweetheart and we're still together. She was a moderate Protestant, and I a burgeoning Agnostic, destined to become an Atheist. At 16, my young lady was Christened into the Mormon Church - Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints. I was not exactly happy about this, but it WAS her right to decide this, not mine.
Over time, my (by then) wife came to doubt many of the Mormon teachings, possibly due to MY lack of faith (which had faded pretty much into nothing by then), but I had never made any effort to disabuse her of her beliefs.
Once we had kids, we pretty much repeated my own Parents route - she wanting to get our kids Christened (as nice neutral-feeling Protestants), and I - not wishing to push my feelings on my family, reenacted my Dad's routine. I didn't join in the Prayers or the Singing, I just had my head bowed respectfully and my eyes open - not a hypocrite just a respectful observer.
Now, at 69 years of age, (my wife is 67), I am still an Atheist, although a far more vocal one, and my Wife is still a Christian - though no longer a Mormon. My 34 year old Son is an Atheist (having come by that position based upon his OWN experiences in life) and my 39 year old Daughter is a Lutheran - having married a German from Northern Ontario ...
Everybody's happy and there is little discussion of Religion in our family, not because it is a hot-button issue, but because we all feel free to believe the things we believe ... ☮
What a wonderful story! Thanks for watching and sharing!
@@ComeToCORT ... Actually, I suspect it's a very common story, but Thanks !
Very great episode. Highly recommended!
Thank you! I appreciate the recommendation.
Fantastic, my friend xo Heather
Thank you so much!
New sub great interview. Can’t wait to binge watch the rest
Awesome! Thank you!
Okay, now chase up Aron Ra, Dan Barker, Andrew Seidel for future videos.
Aron Ra and Dan Barker are both on deck! I'd love to interview Andrew Seidel, too.
Please don't interrupt your guest with any little vocal sounds, i.e. yeah, wow, okay, yes, anything like that. Thx.
Be a pro. 😁
And never say it was a good answer and thank them for it.
@@eddieclark9802 TGhe presenter is only starting out. This was her first presentation.
Excellent thanks very much 😅
You're welcome!
Watching now.
Wonderful! Thanks for tuning in!
My pleasure, it was what I needed reminding of yesterday, thank you for having Seth on 😄
Does he really mean discovering Humanism rather that his humanity? If so that's a different discussion with different frameworks. Humanism as a sub group within atheism while discovering your humanity being a connection with others on a personal level (rather than in philosophically terms). You can connect with people without embracing atheism and Humanism. I realize some people may not get there's a difference.
I know some Jewish people (Reform) who are humanists, as well. However, this discussion was largely about him reconnecting to his own humanity, as the title implies.
Greetings from México.
Greetings!
"God is just"
Translation: "God is vengeful"
I like to listen to your speak. I was in the religion for many years. But I was never comfortable with it! Sometimes it was fun. My economy was good. But then I got tired? It's a abuse! And I read 1000 Cristian books! I was in. But I had always some bad feeling! I got so tired! And I was evangelist for 30 years!? I'm to tired to explain to people? I don't care anymore. I'm better off now without religion!?
It sounds like you were very committed to doing work that you felt you had to do. I'm glad you've been able to step back from it and engage in questioning those religious beliefs. Being freed from religious burdens is wonderful. You don't have to explain your choices to anyone! I hope you enjoy your freedom.
@@ComeToCORT i do ! I respect people,,! And I haven't to lure them to Christianity? I'm better off now without religion.
I HATE anything fear based!
Agreed - fear is not a good basis on which to build a life!
Seth, If I'm actually going to hell, I'm so glad you'll be there with me. Can we hang out once in a while?
haha! Make room for me!
I don't find those hopeful secular fairytales, as expressed at the end of this piece, to offer much hope. Take a long view of humankind. Our struggles will continue, in much the same way. Sadly, we humans have been dealt an unplayable hand.
Endeavor to define and practice decency. That's often the best one can do.
The world would surely be a better place if we all did so. Thanks for commenting.
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There must be a design behind..
A design behind what?
JESUS IS NOT RELIGION.......he went against religion !!
Thanks for watching.
Human thinking is a natural thought, spiritual thinking is a divine thought. Spirituality adds to the natural man making him complete. There is no trauma for faith in Christ unless you are not fully engaged and transformed by the renewing of the mind in Jesus. Bad thoughts come from people not God. God loves us enough to die for us and collect us into His fold. You need to focus on God and do what God says, hell is not trauma for the righteous. Hell is trauma for those who do not believe in Christ. people wonder why God doesnt literally show up to everyone all over the world. The answer is religious trauma.
Sorry, but you are speaking as one who remains indoctrinated.
well now, someone's been living under a rock
Wheres hell? Never been there
@@jajkat Neither have i, but i have interacted with demons, and seen the aura of angels. These are literal things. But my experiences are worthless to you. With great sacrifice comes great responsibility.
@@joshuamartinpryce1237 There’s no trauma at all if you don’t get taken in by religious BS
Their religion convinced you that you need saving from their Jesus/god/not god, and only their religion can save you.
Ever felt like you’ve been conned?
Good work, Joyce, but too much mhmm… mmhm… umnhn. Just quit the subvocalizations until you actually have something to say. It was the same with Matt. There is an expectation that women need to always be supportive to every word. Umhum said between every word the other person is saying is just distracting.
My name is Janice, but thanks for your thoughts.
@@ComeToCORT I didn’t find it distracting at all, Janice. I thought your responses were on-point.
@@MorTheGrim Thank you.
It's really incredible how polished people expect free content to be! 😮
Thanks for your time and effort in creating these videos, and I appreciate your keeping it real with all of the pauses and subvocalizations included. To me, it makes you work all the more approachable and inspiring! ❤