Can’t admit Harley made a superior bike for a similar price? This is when the Harley hate gets pathetic. Aesthetics is subjective, hard numbers the Sportster S is simply superior. So are you willing to pay the same money, probably more for an inferior bike?
Eh, it definitely looks better than the cafebobbervrod Sportster S, but the Nightster is a pretty sharp bike. They just need to pair the regular looking motorcycle with the 1250.
I was writing it but then saw you already mentioned this. I am surprised this wasn't known in the video. It reminds me of going to Best Buy and I find myself educating the hired help on the products they are supposed to be selling.
The dealer promised that it will come standard like that in my region... and he actually had one in the showroom. But, he also told me not to sit on it... so, why would I want a plus on a bike that technically is only available to be admired from a distance? It probably is better than those for the US market: my camera is. Yanks mainly want their vehicles to rattle and shake, and buy on credit while the children in Gaza are starving. When you ask me...which you did, that is what I found. The obligated warranty on bikes sold in my country is much stricter than in neighbouring countries: Manufacturers therefore are less likely to risk being convicted by our consumer protector. Be aware that she is a woman. They have no mercy. My guess is that they do not export bikes to my country that were produced on a Monday.
I work at a harley dealership. The new models, from the liquid cooled rev-max in both displacements to basically every M8 powered bike has come back for fixing. Not just routine maintenance. Computer flashing so the motors don't cut out even brand new untitled bikes. Bikes won't TURN OFF. Electronic suspension staying stuck in place. Basically, it can be said harley davidson may offer tech and whatnot but HARLEYS CURRENTLY ARE NOT WORTH THE HARD TO COME BY MONEY they charge or allow you to screw yourself out of. H-D monthly payments on bigger baggers is a mortgage payment...
Thanks, found that out the hard way. I didn't finance with them, but I could see how they are eager to screw people over with high interest rates on already overpriced products. 😢
I had zero issues with my 2020 M8 softail slim before I sold it. The dealer was always trying to upgrade me to a bagger. I told the sales guy “you know I can buy brand new Toyota Rav 4 for the same price. Sorry not paying that for motorcycle.
@@joel8034 I'm also a technician at a Harley dealership in Pennsylvania and what you speak of is bs... I've seen wear and tear on these new m8's and revolution Max's but it was due to riders abuse. U are flat out lying
Ah yes. The Victory Octane, the original and ONLY pedigree of the Indian Scout. It was perhaps the most under rated motorcycle of its time. An innovative motorcycle that I am happy did not die with the retired Victory line. Cheers!
I won’t go into details but 14 serious warranty claims on a new Harley Davidson turned me off Harleys. They flew a Harley engineer from America to look at the bike as they were concerned it may be a worldwide problem. I live in Melbourne Australia and had to contact Harley Davidson in America to get help after crap dealership customer care. A major dealership here virtually lost everything over it and they kept it so quiet. I would definitely look at the Indian Scout 101 and show HD where to go. The Scout 101 looks great and looks classic to this 63yr old. Top notch comparison video!
GREAT Video. Was waiting for something like this, as I like both bikes. Like you, I've test ridden the Sportster S and can't wait to ride the Scout 101. Thanks.
Bought a used 2022 sportster s at my local harley dealer a month ago. It already had mid controls, and a windshield. I've put over 4600kms on it since i bought it. I had to adjust the clutch cable, and had a loose connector on the throttle control, both of which I corrected myself. No other issues. Starts just fine with no hangups. No battery drain issues. It has the latest software updates on it, no codes. Pros: 1. waaay faster than I expected 2. About half of the time I stop anywhere it gathers a group of onlookers 3. The most fun harley I've ever ridden 4. Very easy on fuel.... even if the tank is tiny. Lots, but cheap fill ups. Cons 1. Second gear takes a bit of effort to go in when cold. It's fine once it starts to warm up. 2. Rear suspension travel could definitely be more friendly.... fine until you hit a bump bigger than 2". Get your butt off the seat if you see it coming. Firm otherwise. 3. Takes a bit to get your butt accustomed to the seat and the suspension. Once I rode it regular for a few weeks, I had no problems with pain even with 7hrs on the bike in a day on somewhat patchy rural canadian roads. 4. Not great as a distance cruiser due to fuel, suspension and storage...but thats not its purpose anyway. In person the bike looks great. Overwhelmingly positive comments from those who have seen it. My biggest gripe was the sound, particularly when cold initially. Once its warmed up, its actually been growing on me. Nonetheless, I'll be putting an exhaust on it. It's not traditional like my old ironhead sportster... but I'm very happy with my purchase. If I want pure sound enjoyment, I jump on the ironhead. Otherwise, this thing is a blast.
Great video! Thanks for reading and sharing my previous comment. I wanted to add on the cost side of the bikes that H-D (US) will charge you anywhere from 2-3K in transportation and prep fees, plus a $500 just because fee (they didn't provide a reasonable explanation, just pointed out the website listing it) and the maintenance is VERY expensive, which you are NOT allowed to do it yourself. I had to pay almost $500 for the 1000mi svc check (glorified oil change). If you don't, they will give you a hard time with warranty claims. Bottom line is, DO YOUR HOMEWORK, research about all the problems people are having with the S and Panamerica, which are quite a few. It feels like H-D is not really fixing the early year's issues for some reason. Just put everything together when making a decision, otherwise you will be destined to regret, like I sadly am right now!
I have owned a Bobber Black with X pipe and YSS suspension an Indian Scout Bobber with pipes and standard suspension and I currently own a Sportster S with pipes and standard suspension and hands down I feel the Harley has it over the other 2 in power, handling and suspension. I’m 80kg the Triumph was a shocker for suspension, the Scout tolerable and the Harley with my weight I can use the scope of the suspension to be more comfortable the rear short travel is an issue if you are heavier though.
Yeah, I reckon you're right Mark. Previous Triumph's I've owned in the past have all lacked in the suspension dept. And after test riding both the Scout and the Sportster S, I'd give the win suspension wise to the Sporster S too. Although the Fox shocks on the Scout would certainly level the playing field. You have good taste in bikes! :)
First; thanks for your review. I own a challenger and a pursuit so you can say that I’m an Indian fan. However, and having said that, I would have liked the new scout to have lost some weight and I would have loved the engine, which comes from the FTR, to have more FTR-like HP and torque out of the box. I also want to point out that the engine on the 2024 scouts is not a new platform. It comes from the FTR, so one can expect teething issues to be nonexistent or perhaps minor. Looks and overall aesthetics are important. In this respect the scout is a much prettier bike. I also think that the paint on the scout is finally up the Harley’s level.
I don't want any ABS, traction control or any other electronics controlling my bike. I've been ridding over 50 years both on and off road and i can ride better than whoever programed the bike not to mention conditions dictate what is needed not a damn computer. If you need the electronics to ride safe, learn to ride or don't ride at all. My skill outperforms any computer. Skill and quick reflex have kept me and my wife safe for over 50 years.
Lol you think you can but that's factually untrue. I don't like ABS and the likes easier, but even the best riders on a bike all else equal except one has ABS and the other without ABS and the bike with ABS is going to stop faster. The same applies for almost very rider aid.
@@jonnymac8925 Ignorance from a bad ridder. Why do you think NO pro bike has ABS? Because it's for idiots who don't know how ride. Not one single bike on any pro track has ABS. You ignorant little person.
Yeah but catering to you old fogies is what's got HD in the position they're in now. The name of the game these days is attracting new riders, and we all want ABS and rider modes.
A good friend of mine had a H.D. sporster S and had so many problems that he had it. Problems with the gasoline pump, with the alarm, premature front tire wear on one side only and prematurely worn front brake pads at 5,000 miles.
The 101 is the trim level with the full package of features. The other trim levels are the Scout Bobber, Sport Scout, Super Scout, and Scout Classic where you can choose features based on packages.
As far as design and style of bike, I think the Sportster S almost is more akin to compare against the FTR rather than the Scout. I personally would pick the 101 over the Sportster S, but they seem like bikes in two different categories now.
I love the looks of both. Styling is in the eyes of the holder thing. I prefer the HD Sportster personally, but the Scout 101 is undeniably a gorgeous bike. I'm not familiar at all with the reliability for either bike, having not read into it. I can say that my nephew was cross shopping these two for some time and bought the Indian Scout 101 with the top tech upgrade earlier this month (Aug 2024). It's battery died and left him in a real bind which he isn't happy about.
Fair-minded analysis. To me the Sportster S looks, I dunno, lumpy. It lacks the cruiser look of the older Sportsters. The new Scout 101 and the other new Scout models retain the sleek but muscular cruiser, almost chopper appeal. The smaller rear wheel really works visually.
I have a 2022 scout rogue and it’s pretty quick. Not sure why you would want to go faster on a cruiser. With all the new tech and cruise control on the 101 it’s a no brainer. The Indian scout is a solid well built machine.
I looked and sat on the Sportster S this past weekend. It’s comfortable for my height (6’1) but other than that, there’s little reason why I’d buy one. I actually prefer the cheaper Nightster over the S. I’ve looked at Scouts and they’re much more appealing plus the range covers a lot of different styles, comfortable positions, and riding styles. The 101 especially is miles better looking.
I saw the Harley on the expressway as I was coming home from work the other day. It looked killer. That said, the 101 is just beautiful. I think the Sportster is more of a drag bike. The Indian is more of a boulevard bruiser. That's my opinion of course. Both bikes are similar in specs but set up different. I have a VRod and I've taken her on long trips and was very comfortable. So, I can see myself on the sportster on long rides. Thank you for the specs on the Indian. I hadn't seen anything really substantial on it. Everything is on looks not specs.
If I'm worried about speed and weight I'd get a 1000cc sports bike..... but to cruse and no where particular to go, I'm getting a Indian 101 Scout in red top of the line trim. Looks better IMO between the two.
The Scout 101 and the Sportster S really need to come standard with mid controls. It makes no sense to make a performance oriented bike with forward controls lol it's so counter productive it's wild.
As a Sportster S owner and 28 years old. I absolutely agree with the comparison and the comments here. One of the most common things I see is that people ride the sportster like a cruiser, but it really likes to be revved, and so far my 2023 has not had any issues and I ride her like a naked bike. EDIT: i got a stage 1 on my sportster S with an FPE exhaust and it’s currently at 114.57 hp @ 7.15k rpm and 91.12 @ 5.07k rpm
willing to bet it's because it's detuned like the last scout was because the scout 60 made the same as the big one with a tuner and the big one gained HP thing probably makes 130+HP stage 1
I really don’t think there’s a comparison from this 101 to the sporster s. They look like two different bikes if you’re looking for speed then I would skip both these bikes and jump on a sports bike if you’re looking for speed and looks 101 all day.
Thanks for the video! I have not had the opportunity to ride the bikes but I can imagine handling on the Scout 101 is superior (smaller wheel base and thinner front tire). I imagine reliability would also be better on the Indian (assumptions of course). To me, the Sportster S wins in looks. I wish both bikes had dual-gauge clusters. Both bikes could use more ground clearance. I don't think there is a wrong choice here. Cheers.
I don't have the money to buy either bike but there are 4 things I don't like about the Harley. 1. Those silly pipes. Not just the looks but I like saddle bags and they would just be in the way. 2. Not enough travel on the back shock. I need more comfort than that. 3. That tiny little seat thingy. Is that really good for a long trip? I doubt it. 4. Looks. It looks like some weird sport bike naked bike thing. The looks aren't terrible but to me they aren't that great either. The Indian seems better in all the ways that matter to me. It's absolutely beautiful. It seems like it would be really comfortable. It seems practical too. I just cannot see a problem with the Indian. I think it will be really fast too.... just not quite as fast as the Harley but so what? I guess that matters to people who plan on drag racing them.
I think the sportster s looks really cool , could have a lot of fun through twisties and city streets even track . I would get the sporster s tbh but i do love the classic simple look of the softail standard aswell. thats the two im deciding with , two vdry differnt styles but i like them both . i thought the indian looked nice but compared to the s it looked outdated and like the older sportys , hard to compare for me i want them all ! haha but out of these to its teh sporty s , its something ive never seen before , she looks quick
I prefer the look of the Scout and I hate the exhaust on the Sportster. I bet the Indian handles better. Before anyone pulls the trigger on an Indian, they should also consider that the post purchase support by Indian is woeful.
Indian Motorcycle has, for obvious reasons, not placed its Scout 101 too close to its own FTR in terms of performance. The FTR is Indian Motorcycle's version of a sports bike, For Harley-Davidson the Sportster S is their version of a Sports bike. That's why I think the Indian Motorcycle FTR is the real competitor of the Sportster Sport (S). Then I must also say something about aesthetics. Harley-Davidson Sportster S (and Nightster) Let's be honest - The new Indian Scout is a beautiful, and oozes quality in comparison to the A and B sided, lumpy, strangely over "radiatorised" hose chaotic, exposed wire, bundled up Sportster S (and Nightster). Study the engine and plastic details, and how things are put together, covers and the like. The previous generation Scout looked better than Harley-Davidson Sportster S and Nightster, the new generation Scout makes the contrast even more noticeable.
A little off topic, but never the Iess, I would like to recommend the Super Hooligan races and MotoAmerica. There you will be able to see the Indian FTR engine in competition with Harley's Revolution Max engine. Great entertainment. And once you're there : King of the Baggers! - Really exciting racing
I rode the Sportster S when it came out and I thought it was awful and I own 2 proper air cooled Harley Davidsons. The engine sounded like a bag of spanners and the ride and comfort, or lack of it, was dreadful. With those tyres and their profile it was like the bike was balancing on a knife edge. I cut short the test ride to get it back to the dealer so I could get off the damn thing. If you are considering these two bikes, get a good ride of both before buying. I ended up buying a Triumph Speedmaster which I much preferred. I also can't wait to get a test ride of the new Scout 101. The new Scout update is a master stroke for Indian.
it's actually not in the same category, the H-D Sportster S is in the sports bike category and the Indian Scout is a cruiser. A better comparison would be the lowrider S or the Street Bob as both are in the cruiser class
I definitely prefer the 101 but HD would dominate the market if they would just build a modern FXR that sticks to its roots. My next purchase will likely be the Buell Super Cruiser
The Indian 101 comes standard with the Top trim & tech package it’s not optional like the rest of the other models. But the Sportster S is still my pick.
Why does human nature steer us to absolutes? Competitive design has made these bikes very similar. This makes choice subjective. Taste, style, appeal & hopefully rider comfort.
I'm liking the 101 better. That said they do seem quit different. I also like that it seems like a cruiser with a sporty flair. Where the Sportster. Well, it looks more sport focused and not really like a cruiser. More of a naked bike with some cruiser flair.
I was trying to think who you sound like. Then it hit me - Elliot Goblet; "I'd just like to change the pace now" Good comparison BTW, without actually riding the bikes.
Everyone hates on Harley, because it's the "in" thing to do now. The Sportster S is really good looking in person. Both are cool bikes, but I do think we all came here to see the awesome looking Scout 101. Harley shouldn't have stopped making the FXDR 114.
Big Harley fan here. Owned many but I think they missed an opportunity with the Sportster. They have the Sportster S, and the Nightster and the Nightster S. Indian debuted with loads of models and options to separate the offerings. I would buy a Sportster with the 1250 and normal styling, a real seat, saddlebags and a windshield.
Nightster is a girls bike that's the saddest thing about the Harley crowd, they even hate on their own brand's entry level models. Sportsters don't even get respect from all the fat boomers on their "big boy" Harleys. The scene alone is enough to make us younger guys want nothing to do with an HD.
Holy cow, holding my breath so long, almost passed out, right decision for today, tomorrow, any day because the butt ugly V-Rod isn't cutting it. Having said that, the Sportster is the greatest bike HD ever built, bring it back.
I'm interested to see if they're going to improve the FTR with a souped up version of this new 1250 Scout engine. As for the new Scout, I'm kind of surprised by the lack of performance increase with this new engine. Only 5 more HP for the base model (100 HP vs 105 HP) and for the fancy 101 it's only 1 more HP than the stage 1 tuned older Scouts (110 HP vs 111 HP).
I’ve had a 2025 indian scout on order for over a month and haven’t heard a peep from the factory. Thinking about getting a Ducati so I don’t miss the riding season and see what happens next year. They are beautiful (the Indian scouts) but non-existent at the moment.
G'day Paul, i test rode the sporster s when they launched here. I did a video on it, i found the engine and tech quite good. But the price point is high $26k i think?? Scouts were $18-20k then so i think they're a better base to work with. Looking forward to seeing the new scout, I'm expecting them here about spring time and curiours to see what they price them at. Speaking to Indian sales reps when the rogue launched they said that was introduced too low of a price point so in '23 they went up 3k
good vid but i choose the hd. ths sportster s just looks so damn good in person. its a cross between my 2 fav bikes as well. the fat bob and v-rod. i have seen people have issues w them. i thought that was what the warranty was for though? you can also purchase an extended warranty as well. i seen if you replace the battery w the hd lithium battery that takes care of alot of things. the other issue i have seen is cam chain tensioner. that will cost you an engine. i did see for that a guy mentioned the oil filter is restrictive to go w a napa gold filter. wish i could remember the pn for it but no luck there lol. the check engine light issue was fixed i seen w software updates. w all that though i would buy one w a warranty not w out for sure. the hd to me is just a phenomenal looking bike. i rode the new fatbob and i had an old one as well. the fat tires never made it handle terrible. you did forget the hd also has the button for heated grips as well. they dont come stock but you can get them as an option or add them whenever you like. with all that sportster s all day for me. beautiful bike, the scout 101 kinda reminds me of a breakout. i do not like the breakouts at all.
Look, I'm a slut for H-D. I think the Sportster S is super innovative and neat. However in this comparison and for my riding preferences, I'd go for the Scout without a second thought. But I feel like comparing the Sportster S to the Scout line-up in terms of comfort and "out of the gate rideability" is and unfair cross examination (especially the new top trim Scout 101). I spent some time on my buddies 2024 Scout Rogue (phenomenal machine) and caught myself comparing it to my H-D Sportster Iron 883. Which is even *more* of an unfair comparison. The Sportster Nightster, and the Honda Rebel line-up are the only motorcycles on the market that I feel are true "cruiser" comparisons in this weight-class. The Sportster S is, in my mind and experience, much more akin to a sport bike, not a cruiser. Great video though! It really makes you think about "how do I ride, and what do I value?".
Love the looks of the Scout. That said, I have a 2017 HD XL1200CX(Roadster) with a Stage 4 along with upgraded clutch and shocks, and Bassani two to one exhaust. At 75mph on the Interstate it turns over 3900 to 4K RPM. HD should have brought out the Bronx, that was a clear miss. I sometimes think HD's new CEO is an idiot. He certainly did not grow up in HD Culture. That Scout is one pretty bike. My GF may be getting a Scout, given its comfort and greater reliability. The best HD alternative I can think of is a Heritage Classic with a stage three upgrade.
Personally, I like the Scout 101 over the Sportster S, mostly due to looks. I own a 2022 Pan Am Special Enthusiasts Collection, same motor as the Sportster but with far more power, and I love the Pan Am. I've had practically no problems with my Pan Am, I ride practically everyday in Melbourne. Minor issue with the starter clutch, updated under warrantee. The battery seems a bit dodgy, then mine sat for a 14 months before I brought it, so I think it is not 100%. It has only let me down once, due to the starter clutch. There are some design faults, like the front header being too close to the radiator hose, I wrapped the header and shortened the hose to provide more gap. I don't like the HD app, and the last update disabled the USB C charging. None of this is enough to make me trade the Pan Am. I won't be going back to Harley-Heaven Melbourne for services, the last one they left the oil filter lose and it leaked oil everywhere, and the bike was low on oil after the service. Fortunately I know how to screw on an oil filter and top up the oil.
I think a lot of the issues with the Sportster S have to do with a weak battery, as well as software hiccups in the earlier years. I've heard stories of some having catastrophic engine failures, but it seems as a rule of thumb that those are rare, and unfortunately some bad apples are to be expected with a completely new motor design in the early years. I think it's very interesting what you said about turning the Sportster S into a cafe racer, I bought a 22 Sportster S with 2200 miles on it, and I've been riding almost daily for three months, putting about 1200 miles on it in that time. I've done exactly what you're talking about, I switched it to a set of rear controls, and changed the seat to something more low-slung with some lumbar support. To be honest, I think this is the way the bike should have come in the first place, the riding position and control are significantly better, I'm quite tall at 6'1" and I'm comfortable riding for 30-45 minute stints, haven't had a chance to really push for a longer ride. My knees are on the tank so it's easy to grip in corners, and I put the H-D windscreen on it so it's easy to tuck a bit and avoid wind even at higher speeds. Overall, I think the Sportster S has a fantastic powertrain that is let down by some of the decisions that Harley made as far as the ergonomics are concerned, leading to it being a bit of a black sheep, when in my opinion, Harley should have really committed to making it into a naked bike, similar to an Indian FTR.
@@BikesILike I sourced the rear sets from Thunderbike customs in Germany, there's also another company based in the US that offers them. Basically they just mount up from where you'd normally install the passenger pegs. What would be the best way for me to share a picture of the bike so you can see it?
Not really a cruiser guy but i can say it with some confidence that the Scout looks much better. Power is really irrelevant to me,my other V-Twin is a KTM 1290SDR.
I don't care about specs and features, I can't get over the looks of the Sportster S, so Indian easy choice for me. The new Scout is beautiful.
EXACTLY!!!
Both of them have nasty car radiators. Can't get past it.
I love big radiators
@barrybarnes96 some motorcycle companies do it better the others
Can’t admit Harley made a superior bike for a similar price? This is when the Harley hate gets pathetic. Aesthetics is subjective, hard numbers the Sportster S is simply superior.
So are you willing to pay the same money, probably more for an inferior bike?
My opinion, the 101 is a style triumph. The sportster looks like the design came from Toon town. Once you’re up to those sorts of HP, who cares.
If anything this video proves how much of a styling failure the sportster is considering that everyone would choose the 101 on style alone
I think the Scout is better looking but the Harley is a good looking bike .
This is actually why we buy this bike. If we wanted performance we would by a sports bike (sometimes, cheaper).
Eh, it definitely looks better than the cafebobbervrod Sportster S, but the Nightster is a pretty sharp bike. They just need to pair the regular looking motorcycle with the 1250.
Oh sorry, I also forgot the high pipes, so cafebobbertrackervrod
Not to mention, the Indian Scout 101 is compatible with other Scout models, meaning it has more styling capabilities.
I wouldn't call that Harley a cruiser, it looks confused on what it wants to be.😅
101 wins the beauty pageant.
If You check HD web site it isn't in the crushers anymore. It is a performance bike. But, god, is ugly
Harley seems to be confused about a lot recently. Like their sexualities. That dumb woman assassinated that company
The 101 comes standard with the tech plus package
I was writing it but then saw you already mentioned this. I am surprised this wasn't known in the video. It reminds me of going to Best Buy and I find myself educating the hired help on the products they are supposed to be selling.
Exactly and more reasonable in terms of price.
The dealer promised that it will come standard like that in my region... and he actually had one in the showroom. But, he also told me not to sit on it... so, why would I want a plus on a bike that technically is only available to be admired from a distance?
It probably is better than those for the US market: my camera is.
Yanks mainly want their vehicles to rattle and shake, and buy on credit while the children in Gaza are starving.
When you ask me...which you did, that is what I found.
The obligated warranty on bikes sold in my country is much stricter than in neighbouring countries: Manufacturers therefore are less likely to risk being convicted by our consumer protector. Be aware that she is a woman. They have no mercy.
My guess is that they do not export bikes to my country that were produced on a Monday.
I work at a harley dealership. The new models, from the liquid cooled rev-max in both displacements to basically every M8 powered bike has come back for fixing. Not just routine maintenance. Computer flashing so the motors don't cut out even brand new untitled bikes. Bikes won't TURN OFF. Electronic suspension staying stuck in place. Basically, it can be said harley davidson may offer tech and whatnot but HARLEYS CURRENTLY ARE NOT WORTH THE HARD TO COME BY MONEY they charge or allow you to screw yourself out of. H-D monthly payments on bigger baggers is a mortgage payment...
Geez. Had no idea the issues were this significant. Thanks for sharing the info Joel.
Thanks, found that out the hard way. I didn't finance with them, but I could see how they are eager to screw people over with high interest rates on already overpriced products. 😢
I had zero issues with my 2020 M8 softail slim before I sold it. The dealer was always trying to upgrade me to a bagger. I told the sales guy “you know I can buy brand new Toyota Rav 4 for the same price. Sorry not paying that for motorcycle.
@@joel8034 I'm also a technician at a Harley dealership in Pennsylvania and what you speak of is bs... I've seen wear and tear on these new m8's and revolution Max's but it was due to riders abuse. U are flat out lying
I prefer the Indian Scout 101, it looks a lot like my lovely Victory Octane. 😅
Ah yes. The Victory Octane, the original and ONLY pedigree of the Indian Scout. It was perhaps the most under rated motorcycle of its time. An innovative motorcycle that I am happy did not die with the retired Victory line. Cheers!
I won’t go into details but 14 serious warranty claims on a new Harley Davidson turned me off Harleys. They flew a Harley engineer from America to look at the bike as they were concerned it may be a worldwide problem. I live in Melbourne Australia and had to contact Harley Davidson in America to get help after crap dealership customer care. A major dealership here virtually lost everything over it and they kept it so quiet. I would definitely look at the Indian Scout 101 and show HD where to go. The Scout 101 looks great and looks classic to this 63yr old. Top notch comparison video!
Cheers Steven and thanks for sharing your experience.
All good brother. Stay upright.👍
The Scout 101 looks better than the Harley Sporter S.
Hi mate, just a correction on trim levels.
I believe the 101 only comes standard with top trim levels, the same as the super scout as well
Ok cheers, thanks Callum I appreciate that. 👍
GREAT Video. Was waiting for something like this, as I like both bikes. Like you, I've test ridden the Sportster S and can't wait to ride the Scout 101. Thanks.
@Bikes I Like -
The Scout 101 comes standard with the Limited+Tech package.
Bought a used 2022 sportster s at my local harley dealer a month ago. It already had mid controls, and a windshield. I've put over 4600kms on it since i bought it. I had to adjust the clutch cable, and had a loose connector on the throttle control, both of which I corrected myself. No other issues. Starts just fine with no hangups. No battery drain issues. It has the latest software updates on it, no codes.
Pros:
1. waaay faster than I expected
2. About half of the time I stop anywhere it gathers a group of onlookers
3. The most fun harley I've ever ridden
4. Very easy on fuel.... even if the tank is tiny. Lots, but cheap fill ups.
Cons
1. Second gear takes a bit of effort to go in when cold. It's fine once it starts to warm up.
2. Rear suspension travel could definitely be more friendly.... fine until you hit a bump bigger than 2". Get your butt off the seat if you see it coming. Firm otherwise.
3. Takes a bit to get your butt accustomed to the seat and the suspension. Once I rode it regular for a few weeks, I had no problems with pain even with 7hrs on the bike in a day on somewhat patchy rural canadian roads.
4. Not great as a distance cruiser due to fuel, suspension and storage...but thats not its purpose anyway.
In person the bike looks great. Overwhelmingly positive comments from those who have seen it.
My biggest gripe was the sound, particularly when cold initially. Once its warmed up, its actually been growing on me. Nonetheless, I'll be putting an exhaust on it.
It's not traditional like my old ironhead sportster... but I'm very happy with my purchase. If I want pure sound enjoyment, I jump on the ironhead. Otherwise, this thing is a blast.
Nice one! Have you tried playing with suspension adjustment? I did get a more compliant feel after some adjustment on my test ride.
Great video! Thanks for reading and sharing my previous comment. I wanted to add on the cost side of the bikes that H-D (US) will charge you anywhere from 2-3K in transportation and prep fees, plus a $500 just because fee (they didn't provide a reasonable explanation, just pointed out the website listing it) and the maintenance is VERY expensive, which you are NOT allowed to do it yourself. I had to pay almost $500 for the 1000mi svc check (glorified oil change). If you don't, they will give you a hard time with warranty claims. Bottom line is, DO YOUR HOMEWORK, research about all the problems people are having with the S and Panamerica, which are quite a few. It feels like H-D is not really fixing the early year's issues for some reason. Just put everything together when making a decision, otherwise you will be destined to regret, like I sadly am right now!
My friend, is the total biking experience about quarter mile times? Appeal, taste & comfort. Stop & smell the roses🌹
Very good comprehensive review, thanks for posting
I have owned a Bobber Black with X pipe and YSS suspension an Indian Scout Bobber with pipes and standard suspension and I currently own a Sportster S with pipes and standard suspension and hands down I feel the Harley has it over the other 2 in power, handling and suspension. I’m 80kg the Triumph was a shocker for suspension, the Scout tolerable and the Harley with my weight I can use the scope of the suspension to be more comfortable the rear short travel is an issue if you are heavier though.
Yeah, I reckon you're right Mark. Previous Triumph's I've owned in the past have all lacked in the suspension dept. And after test riding both the Scout and the Sportster S, I'd give the win suspension wise to the Sporster S too. Although the Fox shocks on the Scout would certainly level the playing field. You have good taste in bikes! :)
First; thanks for your review.
I own a challenger and a pursuit so you can say that I’m an Indian fan. However, and having said that, I would have liked the new scout to have lost some weight and I would have loved the engine, which comes from the FTR, to have more FTR-like HP and torque out of the box.
I also want to point out that the engine on the 2024 scouts is not a new platform. It comes from the FTR, so one can expect teething issues to be nonexistent or perhaps minor.
Looks and overall aesthetics are important. In this respect the scout is a much prettier bike. I also think that the paint on the scout is finally up the Harley’s level.
I would choose the Indian over the H-D simply for the fact that the Scout has LESS electronic nannies....
I don't want any ABS, traction control or any other electronics controlling my bike. I've been ridding over 50 years both on and off road and i can ride better than whoever programed the bike not to mention conditions dictate what is needed not a damn computer. If you need the electronics to ride safe, learn to ride or don't ride at all. My skill outperforms any computer. Skill and quick reflex have kept me and my wife safe for over 50 years.
Lol you think you can but that's factually untrue. I don't like ABS and the likes easier, but even the best riders on a bike all else equal except one has ABS and the other without ABS and the bike with ABS is going to stop faster. The same applies for almost very rider aid.
@@jonnymac8925 Ignorance from a bad ridder. Why do you think NO pro bike has ABS? Because it's for idiots who don't know how ride. Not one single bike on any pro track has ABS. You ignorant little person.
Yeah but catering to you old fogies is what's got HD in the position they're in now. The name of the game these days is attracting new riders, and we all want ABS and rider modes.
A good friend of mine had a H.D. sporster S and had so many problems that he had it.
Problems with the gasoline pump, with the alarm, premature front tire wear on one side only and prematurely worn front brake pads at 5,000 miles.
The 101 is the trim level with the full package of features.
The other trim levels are the Scout Bobber, Sport Scout, Super Scout, and Scout Classic where you can choose features based on packages.
As far as design and style of bike, I think the Sportster S almost is more akin to compare against the FTR rather than the Scout. I personally would pick the 101 over the Sportster S, but they seem like bikes in two different categories now.
I compared the FTR S and Sportster S in this video. ua-cam.com/video/9gcJcT7_VeE/v-deo.htmlsi=F5q6NQfKSKsGpqLs
I agree , and that ftr blows the sportster s away in every area looks , aound etc
I love the looks of both. Styling is in the eyes of the holder thing.
I prefer the HD Sportster personally, but the Scout 101 is undeniably a gorgeous bike. I'm not familiar at all with the reliability for either bike, having not read into it. I can say that my nephew was cross shopping these two for some time and bought the Indian Scout 101 with the top tech upgrade earlier this month (Aug 2024). It's battery died and left him in a real bind which he isn't happy about.
I'm a short legged old guy so I like the Scouts deeper suspension and lower seat hight as well as the styling.
Fair-minded analysis. To me the Sportster S looks, I dunno, lumpy. It lacks the cruiser look of the older Sportsters. The new Scout 101 and the other new Scout models retain the sleek but muscular cruiser, almost chopper appeal. The smaller rear wheel really works visually.
Cheers Guy. I agree the 101 is certainly a looker. But there's something about the more densely packed Sportster S I still find appealing.
They still make the Nightster and the Nightster Special which holds onto the more classic sportster look but also with a smaller engine
I’ll take the Scout built to my selected add-ons.
For the price of the 101 in the US, I would probably just look at something in the Chief line-up.
2 different rides. The scout is a faster, more nimble and lighter bike, the chief is a mid weight, cruiser.
I have a 2022 scout rogue and it’s pretty quick. Not sure why you would want to go faster on a cruiser. With all the new tech and cruise control on the 101 it’s a no brainer. The Indian scout is a solid well built machine.
I looked and sat on the Sportster S this past weekend. It’s comfortable for my height (6’1) but other than that, there’s little reason why I’d buy one. I actually prefer the cheaper Nightster over the S. I’ve looked at Scouts and they’re much more appealing plus the range covers a lot of different styles, comfortable positions, and riding styles. The 101 especially is miles better looking.
I saw the Harley on the expressway as I was coming home from work the other day. It looked killer. That said, the 101 is just beautiful. I think the Sportster is more of a drag bike. The Indian is more of a boulevard bruiser. That's my opinion of course. Both bikes are similar in specs but set up different. I have a VRod and I've taken her on long trips and was very comfortable. So, I can see myself on the sportster on long rides. Thank you for the specs on the Indian. I hadn't seen anything really substantial on it. Everything is on looks not specs.
the question is: who buys a Harley/Indian if you want to race. Almost every Bike is lighter and has more HP than a these.
If I'm worried about speed and weight I'd get a 1000cc sports bike..... but to cruse and no where particular to go, I'm getting a Indian 101 Scout in red top of the line trim. Looks better IMO between the two.
Scout 101 all life... without any questions
Very well spoken and objective video! If it weren't for my gripes with the Sportster S's looks it'd be a no brainer.
The Scout 101 and the Sportster S really need to come standard with mid controls. It makes no sense to make a performance oriented bike with forward controls lol it's so counter productive it's wild.
As a Sportster S owner and 28 years old. I absolutely agree with the comparison and the comments here. One of the most common things I see is that people ride the sportster like a cruiser, but it really likes to be revved, and so far my 2023 has not had any issues and I ride her like a naked bike.
EDIT: i got a stage 1 on my sportster S with an FPE exhaust and it’s currently at 114.57 hp @ 7.15k rpm and 91.12 @ 5.07k rpm
Good morning, I am late to the game, however I compare the HD Sporter S vs. 25 Scout Bobber. The looks are very similar.
Someone should make a sport bike style body kit with full fairing for the sportster S
That would be cool
Hell yea, Paul coming in with the real videos. Thanks dude.
willing to bet it's because it's detuned like the last scout was because the scout 60 made the same as the big one with a tuner and the big one gained HP thing probably makes 130+HP stage 1
Well, I just placed my order for the Indian Scout 101. We will see what I think of it when it shows up.
My back hurts just looking at the sportster s. I don't think the sales numbers on the sportster s are near what Harley was hoping for.
Sportster S looks like they gave crayons to someone who eats crayons to design it.
I really don’t think there’s a comparison from this 101 to the sporster s. They look like two different bikes if you’re looking for speed then I would skip both these bikes and jump on a sports bike if you’re looking for speed and looks 101 all day.
I much prefer the looks of the Indian 101. The sportster S is a good looking bike but is almost closer to an FTR which I'd prefer
if the H-D Rev Max motor was in the Indian 101 Scout, then you would have something people want!
Thanks for the video! I have not had the opportunity to ride the bikes but I can imagine handling on the Scout 101 is superior (smaller wheel base and thinner front tire). I imagine reliability would also be better on the Indian (assumptions of course). To me, the Sportster S wins in looks. I wish both bikes had dual-gauge clusters. Both bikes could use more ground clearance. I don't think there is a wrong choice here. Cheers.
I don't have the money to buy either bike but there are 4 things I don't like about the Harley. 1. Those silly pipes. Not just the looks but I like saddle bags and they would just be in the way. 2. Not enough travel on the back shock. I need more comfort than that. 3. That tiny little seat thingy. Is that really good for a long trip? I doubt it. 4. Looks. It looks like some weird sport bike naked bike thing. The looks aren't terrible but to me they aren't that great either. The Indian seems better in all the ways that matter to me. It's absolutely beautiful. It seems like it would be really comfortable. It seems practical too. I just cannot see a problem with the Indian. I think it will be really fast too.... just not quite as fast as the Harley but so what? I guess that matters to people who plan on drag racing them.
Indian. Unbeatable design, classic looks and somehow almost an old school criuser ❤
Very nice comparisons Paul.
Cheers Jerry.
I think the sportster s looks really cool , could have a lot of fun through twisties and city streets even track . I would get the sporster s tbh but i do love the classic simple look of the softail standard aswell. thats the two im deciding with , two vdry differnt styles but i like them both . i thought the indian looked nice but compared to the s it looked outdated and like the older sportys , hard to compare for me i want them all ! haha but out of these to its teh sporty s , its something ive never seen before , she looks quick
In the US the 101 comes with the Limited + Tech
Not close for me. The non exhaust side of the Sportster S looks unfinished and untidy, which is a shame because I like the other side.
Yeah I hear ya… but one question… which one will end up on the rack 4 times a year?
I test rode a Sportster s and was very impressed with it. It needs duel rotors or a bigger single rotor.
I prefer the look of the Scout and I hate the exhaust on the Sportster. I bet the Indian handles better. Before anyone pulls the trigger on an Indian, they should also consider that the post purchase support by Indian is woeful.
Indian Motorcycle has, for obvious reasons, not placed its Scout 101 too close to its own FTR in terms of performance. The FTR is Indian Motorcycle's version of a sports bike, For Harley-Davidson the Sportster S is their version of a Sports bike. That's why I think the Indian Motorcycle FTR is the real competitor of the Sportster Sport (S). Then I must also say something about aesthetics. Harley-Davidson Sportster S (and Nightster) Let's be honest - The new Indian Scout is a beautiful, and oozes quality in comparison to the A and B sided, lumpy, strangely over "radiatorised" hose chaotic, exposed wire, bundled up Sportster S (and Nightster). Study the engine and plastic details, and how things are put together, covers and the like. The previous generation Scout looked better than Harley-Davidson Sportster S and Nightster, the new generation Scout makes the contrast even more noticeable.
I compared the FTR S and Sportster S in this group video ua-cam.com/video/9gcJcT7_VeE/v-deo.htmlsi=0HZAvBwxTuQNd-I4
A little off topic, but never the Iess, I would like to recommend the Super Hooligan races and MotoAmerica. There you will be able to see the Indian FTR engine in competition with Harley's Revolution Max engine. Great entertainment. And once you're there : King of the Baggers! - Really exciting racing
Reliability and looks are the most important to me, so given the choice between these 2, it HAS to be Indian.
I rode the Sportster S when it came out and I thought it was awful and I own 2 proper air cooled Harley Davidsons. The engine sounded like a bag of spanners and the ride and comfort, or lack of it, was dreadful. With those tyres and their profile it was like the bike was balancing on a knife edge. I cut short the test ride to get it back to the dealer so I could get off the damn thing. If you are considering these two bikes, get a good ride of both before buying. I ended up buying a Triumph Speedmaster which I much preferred. I also can't wait to get a test ride of the new Scout 101. The new Scout update is a master stroke for Indian.
it's actually not in the same category, the H-D Sportster S is in the sports bike category and the Indian Scout is a cruiser. A better comparison would be the lowrider S or the Street Bob as both are in the cruiser class
That's exactly what i was thinking. The indian scout 60 would be more comparable
Only good thing about the sportster is when you're on it you don't have to look at it .For god sake bring back the V Rod.
The Indian has twin front disc's. That's why it's my choice
I definitely prefer the 101 but HD would dominate the market if they would just build a modern FXR that sticks to its roots. My next purchase will likely be the Buell Super Cruiser
No comparison, the HD is a Street bike and the Indian is a cruiser.
I believe the 101 automatically comes with the Limited+Tech trim level.
The Indian 101 comes standard with the Top trim & tech package it’s not optional like the rest of the other models. But the Sportster S is still my pick.
One makes tractor engines and Indian makes motorbikes, only one choice really.
Why does human nature steer us to absolutes? Competitive design has made these bikes very similar. This makes choice subjective. Taste, style, appeal & hopefully rider comfort.
I'm liking the 101 better. That said they do seem quit different. I also like that it seems like a cruiser with a sporty flair. Where the Sportster. Well, it looks more sport focused and not really like a cruiser. More of a naked bike with some cruiser flair.
I was trying to think who you sound like. Then it hit me - Elliot Goblet; "I'd just like to change the pace now" Good comparison BTW, without actually riding the bikes.
Lol cheers... Elliot Goblet! 😂
Thought the Chief was 27* degrees n 101 was 33* for lean angle
Indian did say on the reveal video that they designed the new bike with customizers in mind.
Everyone hates on Harley, because it's the "in" thing to do now. The Sportster S is really good looking in person. Both are cool bikes, but I do think we all came here to see the awesome looking Scout 101. Harley shouldn't have stopped making the FXDR 114.
I think the sportster ass and the FTR are a better comparison but still the FTR will smoke that sportser S
Quite possibly.
I did compare the FTR S and Sportster S in this video ua-cam.com/video/9gcJcT7_VeE/v-deo.htmlsi=0HZAvBwxTuQNd-I4
Big Harley fan here. Owned many but I think they missed an opportunity with the Sportster. They have the Sportster S, and the Nightster and the Nightster S. Indian debuted with loads of models and options to separate the offerings. I would buy a Sportster with the 1250 and normal styling, a real seat, saddlebags and a windshield.
Nightster is a girls bike that's the saddest thing about the Harley crowd, they even hate on their own brand's entry level models. Sportsters don't even get respect from all the fat boomers on their "big boy" Harleys. The scene alone is enough to make us younger guys want nothing to do with an HD.
Holy cow, holding my breath so long, almost passed out, right decision for today, tomorrow, any day because the butt ugly V-Rod isn't cutting it. Having said that, the Sportster is the greatest bike HD ever built, bring it back.
The sporster s looks so much better in person. Idk how many people commenting have actually seen one or sat on one...
The reliability issues stopped me from buying it. Otherwise its looks have grown on me.
The Sportster S looks like a Lego bike made in China.. What is going through the mind of someone who buys one??
I'm interested to see if they're going to improve the FTR with a souped up version of this new 1250 Scout engine.
As for the new Scout, I'm kind of surprised by the lack of performance increase with this new engine. Only 5 more HP for the base model (100 HP vs 105 HP) and for the fancy 101 it's only 1 more HP than the stage 1 tuned older Scouts (110 HP vs 111 HP).
I'll pick the Norton Comando.
I’ve had a 2025 indian scout on order for over a month and haven’t heard a peep from the factory. Thinking about getting a Ducati so I don’t miss the riding season and see what happens next year. They are beautiful (the Indian scouts) but non-existent at the moment.
G'day Paul, i test rode the sporster s when they launched here. I did a video on it, i found the engine and tech quite good.
But the price point is high $26k i think?? Scouts were $18-20k then so i think they're a better base to work with.
Looking forward to seeing the new scout, I'm expecting them here about spring time and curiours to see what they price them at.
Speaking to Indian sales reps when the rogue launched they said that was introduced too low of a price point so in '23 they went up 3k
good vid but i choose the hd. ths sportster s just looks so damn good in person. its a cross between my 2 fav bikes as well. the fat bob and v-rod. i have seen people have issues w them. i thought that was what the warranty was for though? you can also purchase an extended warranty as well. i seen if you replace the battery w the hd lithium battery that takes care of alot of things. the other issue i have seen is cam chain tensioner. that will cost you an engine. i did see for that a guy mentioned the oil filter is restrictive to go w a napa gold filter. wish i could remember the pn for it but no luck there lol. the check engine light issue was fixed i seen w software updates. w all that though i would buy one w a warranty not w out for sure. the hd to me is just a phenomenal looking bike. i rode the new fatbob and i had an old one as well. the fat tires never made it handle terrible. you did forget the hd also has the button for heated grips as well. they dont come stock but you can get them as an option or add them whenever you like. with all that sportster s all day for me. beautiful bike, the scout 101 kinda reminds me of a breakout. i do not like the breakouts at all.
Look, I'm a slut for H-D. I think the Sportster S is super innovative and neat. However in this comparison and for my riding preferences, I'd go for the Scout without a second thought. But I feel like comparing the Sportster S to the Scout line-up in terms of comfort and "out of the gate rideability" is and unfair cross examination (especially the new top trim Scout 101). I spent some time on my buddies 2024 Scout Rogue (phenomenal machine) and caught myself comparing it to my H-D Sportster Iron 883. Which is even *more* of an unfair comparison. The Sportster Nightster, and the Honda Rebel line-up are the only motorcycles on the market that I feel are true "cruiser" comparisons in this weight-class. The Sportster S is, in my mind and experience, much more akin to a sport bike, not a cruiser.
Great video though! It really makes you think about "how do I ride, and what do I value?".
If they would put the Sportster S engine into a Nightster I’d be all over it………. BUT because of that, the win for me goes to the Indian.
Love the looks of the Scout. That said, I have a 2017 HD XL1200CX(Roadster) with a Stage 4 along with upgraded clutch and shocks, and Bassani two to one exhaust. At 75mph on the Interstate it turns over 3900 to 4K RPM. HD should have brought out the Bronx, that was a clear miss. I sometimes think HD's new CEO is an idiot. He certainly did not grow up in HD Culture.
That Scout is one pretty bike. My GF may be getting a Scout, given its comfort and greater reliability. The best HD alternative I can think of is a Heritage Classic with a stage three upgrade.
Personally, I like the Scout 101 over the Sportster S, mostly due to looks. I own a 2022 Pan Am Special Enthusiasts Collection, same motor as the Sportster but with far more power, and I love the Pan Am.
I've had practically no problems with my Pan Am, I ride practically everyday in Melbourne. Minor issue with the starter clutch, updated under warrantee. The battery seems a bit dodgy, then mine sat for a 14 months before I brought it, so I think it is not 100%. It has only let me down once, due to the starter clutch. There are some design faults, like the front header being too close to the radiator hose, I wrapped the header and shortened the hose to provide more gap. I don't like the HD app, and the last update disabled the USB C charging. None of this is enough to make me trade the Pan Am.
I won't be going back to Harley-Heaven Melbourne for services, the last one they left the oil filter lose and it leaked oil everywhere, and the bike was low on oil after the service. Fortunately I know how to screw on an oil filter and top up the oil.
Easy for me. Scout. But I'd rather have your Chief the way you've got it set up
Me too! :)
All scout 101s come with limited tech plus right?
In Australia that is the case.
Love those Indian motorcycles❣️
They just keep getting better and better 👍
I think a lot of the issues with the Sportster S have to do with a weak battery, as well as software hiccups in the earlier years. I've heard stories of some having catastrophic engine failures, but it seems as a rule of thumb that those are rare, and unfortunately some bad apples are to be expected with a completely new motor design in the early years.
I think it's very interesting what you said about turning the Sportster S into a cafe racer, I bought a 22 Sportster S with 2200 miles on it, and I've been riding almost daily for three months, putting about 1200 miles on it in that time. I've done exactly what you're talking about, I switched it to a set of rear controls, and changed the seat to something more low-slung with some lumbar support.
To be honest, I think this is the way the bike should have come in the first place, the riding position and control are significantly better, I'm quite tall at 6'1" and I'm comfortable riding for 30-45 minute stints, haven't had a chance to really push for a longer ride. My knees are on the tank so it's easy to grip in corners, and I put the H-D windscreen on it so it's easy to tuck a bit and avoid wind even at higher speeds.
Overall, I think the Sportster S has a fantastic powertrain that is let down by some of the decisions that Harley made as far as the ergonomics are concerned, leading to it being a bit of a black sheep, when in my opinion, Harley should have really committed to making it into a naked bike, similar to an Indian FTR.
Awesome! I would love to see a pic of the bike. Where did you source the rear-sets from? I'm also 6'1".
@@BikesILike I sourced the rear sets from Thunderbike customs in Germany, there's also another company based in the US that offers them. Basically they just mount up from where you'd normally install the passenger pegs.
What would be the best way for me to share a picture of the bike so you can see it?
@wesleymyers6906 OK cheers Wesley. I'll check them out.
You can send pics to my email address listed in the video description.
No Variable Valve Timing on the Scout is a real missed opportunity. No wonder why the HD has almost 15% more torque
Comfort & luggage,"OH YEH",I like the Scout 101 better,Spazz in Cali.
My only aesthetic gripe with the 101 was the exhaust but after seeing this Harley, I'll stop complaining! That think is hideous.
For the price of the sportster it should have decent battery
Nice video. I would like a comparison between Indian Scout Classic and Triumph Speedmaster
Nice idea Frank, I'll look into it.
Not really a cruiser guy but i can say it with some confidence that the Scout looks much better. Power is really irrelevant to me,my other V-Twin is a KTM 1290SDR.
The Scout 101 as a great look, better suspension, and for me the only Sporters S looking good is the Thunderbike version
Harley davidson all day