New HiFI Speaker Company doing something I have NEVER SEEN BEFORE
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- Arylic has always been one of my favorite budget whole house streaming companies, but they just came out with their first set of bookshelf new HiFi speakers. And they are doing something, that I have never seen before! What is it?
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Arylic! 0:00
Quality of the Components: 0:25
Never Seen this: 1:44
Speaker Measurements: 2:45
EQ: 4:28
Who are these made for? 4:58
Best Placement 5:30
Crossover Point Issue 6:41
Your Thoughts: 7:46 - Фільми й анімація
Critical reviews like this are rare, but greatly appreciated!
Yes .. wow we have critical reviews again..glad to see it.
Very good and honest review. The fact that you talk and know about the technical data makes this even more credible.
You should do more reviews of commercial speakers, if you can get your hands on them and maybe compare to diy solutions
Great value given their choice of material and components.
Love the content ! Just subscribed I am looking for a DIY speaker kit. Like you said, I like listening to my music while walking around and not just sitting down in front the speakers. What is your best suggestion for some hi-fi, bookshelf, speakers that does not cost of Fortune?
I always see folks making 2-ways with those AMTs and then I start to think “hey that’s a pretty cool driver; lemme look it up. WHOA! That’s a high Fs! What are they crossing those things at?” And then I start to have doubts and think thoughts like “eh, idk about cones playing nicely above maybe 1500hz…” And so seeing that response chart, and your reaction, is very validating to my uninformed suspicions. Thanks!
Great review, as per, with all of your objective measurements and analysis. Love to see it! As for the crossover, i totally agree, the off-axis response of those woofers probably isn't great up in that frequency range, but you're probably also starting to see lobing effects due to the distance between the drivers, probably accounting for the dip at the crossover point when going off-axis (again, just as with your commentary, just an educated guess based off the graphing you obtained).
Just wanted to say, although certain aspects of the off-axis response were problematic, it's always really nice to see new speaker manufacturers entering the field. I think they did pretty well for a first time design. Although of course, much to improve on, as there always is 🙂
@@Elliott-Designs yeah, I completely agree. I love seeing new manufactures specially one that I’ve grown to really appreciate what they’ve done in the amplifier market.
@@Elliott-Designs I saw the speakers on their site when I bought my B 50 and was curious. Doesn’t sound like they’re the right speaker for me either though.
Nice speaker review Toid. I also prefer a wider dispersion speaker. I am curious on your opinion on the wide dispersion Beston RT002A ribbon tweeter (can be crossed as low as 2.4KHz.) I don't think I seen you build a speaker using a ribbon tweeter unless I missed it.
Arylic is a great company. I have a S50 pro for the second input of a sound bar. The B50 looks interesting. We'll have to see what you find in the review.
Appreciate your honesty.
I appreciate that
The woofer looks a lot like a Wavcore. I'm such an Arylic fan boy I might get them anyway.
Is there something different about those tweeters that makes it unnecessary to round over the front baffle edges to avoid diffraction? Or does the speaker's price point preclude the round over?
As soon as I saw them I was thinking, that AMT won't really reach down to an optimal crossover frequency, especially with that spacing. Also the woofer has a huge impedance at resonance; most likely due to the large coil and no copper rings etc in the motor.
I guess it's ok for a budget DIY with nice looking components. A 3 way option designed well would be great
greatly appreciated!
Forgot to mention the price, which is $700 for anyone that was wondering. Pretty pricey if you don't factor in the real wood veneer which is nice for the price category but is otherwise a pretty inaccurate speaker with questionable crossover design choices. There is a smaller 5.25" version for $570 that might do better being paired with that AMT, still I'd rather have something that is more neutral anyway.
Great job!
Nice looking speakers
Great vid as always! Given the other things that company makes, these should be powered and DSP'd with two presets, full and half baffle step curves (plus owner adjustable). You could get so much more out of these units with active adjustable x-over and DSP tunability. That's all probably a price point issue, but they already make everything that would build what I described. Who better to bring that in at an attractive price point?
I completely agree. I think they actually missed a really big selling point here. I think they could’ve paired these with one of their new amplifiers and had a couple DSP’s already built into it. That would’ve been really awesome.
@@ToidPLEASE HELP!!! i need assistance choosing a mid range for a 3 way system. woofers i want to use are dayton rs225-8. and my tweeter is a grs pt2522-4 plannar tweeter what would be a good mid range that would pair with these
The GRS tweeter can be crossed really low so why not try a two-way first with approximately 1.5Khz XO and see how that goes? Another option could be the larger Planar from GRS (6816 or 6825) crossed at 500-600Hz and 2Khz. That way you maintain the same kind of quality (with both mid and highs coming from planar drivers) in a very wide range. Mind you, those Planar drivers have relatively narrow dispersion so make sure you want that. @@flbassmaster5551
This looks like a DIY speaker. The woofer is a dead ringer for the Wavecor 5 1/4" in my latest Parts Express kit build. The port and terminal cup are DIY parts. As far as the amount of BSC in the design, perhaps the company could suggest proper placement and trust their consumers to understand the concept. Thanks for an intelligent review.
Hey guys, I’ve been searching for a high-end Center channel build.. I wanted to build a B&W803D flipped on its side with the horn tweeter build into a separate open space so that the cabinet can be rectangular but actually thinking of a different setup (selling my 803D’s) and doing DIY. But I’ve been searching around and cannot find a high performance center.. any help would be highly appreciated. Apologies for posting this here.. (Great vid by the way!😊)
Maybe the best response then would not be to toe them in but if you are in the middle of the triangle you are a bit off axis where the treble is less hot.
I have some questions about picking out a mid range for a 3way system PLEASE HELP!
Back in the 80's and 90's Dynaudio sold all their speakers to us DIY 'ers through Madisound. I bought many D28s D52's and D76's from them.
That’s pretty cool. I didn’t know that.
Me as well. Sadly cut up my 10 inch Dynaudio 3 ways kits. But built them into a smaller custom box new crossover tuned cabinet and 6 inch woofer. There transparency tight base and fast response shine with an Adcom mid fi system. 32 years later still enjoying them
Thanks.
Good review man well i was thing about ordering a set but i am to broke for them lol or their to pricey one .may be if they were 8 inch 3 way short floor standing units
I’d say they probably should had made that a 3 way buy the looks of driver specs. Pretty big gap there. The neo 3 could had dropped to 2k but would break up at higher fs
You say you love to move around as opposed sitting in one spot to listen...
Have you tried Ohm Walsh? They're great for that.
My only concern is the title. Companies like Dynaudio, Focal, Morel, Seas, ScanSpeak, SB Acoustics and many other raw driver manufacturers have offered kits for decades and marketed their own brand finished goods. For anyone following our industry We have seen this before.
The difference with all of those companies are they are driver manufacturers. This is a speaker manufacturer that is also offering the drivers they purchase to manufacture their own speakers for sale. It would be like Klipsch all of a sudden making their drivers available to the mass market. I see that differently. A driver manufacturer almost has to come out with designs so that people know what they can do with them.
Makes me want to build a Philharmonic BMR type tower with your Epic build Epique passive radiator, couple of 3.5 BMRs and an AMT.
If you're going to do something like that, I'd highly recommend skipping the 3.5BMR and AMT and instead using the BMR Nick and I used in the Rule Breaker speaker. There's not much point using a BMR if you're going to use such a high-frequency crossover point anyways 😉. Plus that 3.5" isn't particularly well behaved at much higher frequencies
@@Elliott-Designs Thanks for the info. I have 10 of the 3.5. that's I included it. Will definitely get some 3" when they're back in stock.
@@xTinBenderX oh, that's totally fair then, use what you've got 😁👍. I was approaching that as if you were buying all the components. And don't get me wrong, those 3.5s are great if you're looking to make a half-decent full range speaker from a single driver, or very decent for the price.
@@Elliott-Designs Curious on the differences between them, so I'll still buy a couple. Thanks for your input. Subbed to your channel!
@@xTinBenderX thanks for the sub! Although BMR tech significantly improves high-frequency response, it isn't perfect, so if you get a larger driver that has been balanced, it's still going to perform worse than a smaller one that's also been balanced. They seemed to just get everything right with the 2.5" Nick and I used. Both on and off-axis responses were the best out of all of them at the time. If you look at the 3.5"s response, both its on and off-axis responses were rather unruly, admittedly definitely not as much as another driver of its size though. Hence it still being great for a simple single driver speaker. Made one a while back, as a vented design, it was rather power limited (in terms of distortion) without a high-pass though.
The pattern of wood grain at corns looks laminated.
The woofer baakets are OEM stamped steel not cast aluminum , expensive at $569.
Those are some purdy speakers.
From what you described I - as a layman - would categorize these more as passive monitors and not as bookshelf speakers. Just from you mentioning that these are not fit to fire up a simple room, but only one or two pairs of ears.
That does however completely disregard the other properties important for that use case.
Poor driver choices. If a tweeter only goes down to 3500, why pair it with a 6.5” woofer?
That's his UA-camrs make money. I bought so many speakers after watching a review. Hahaha😂
Dual 4.5 in would sound better
I completely agree. That’s exactly what I was saying in the review. It’s possible to 5 1/4 inch woofer Mike pair better. But I couldn’t say since I haven’t reviewed those.
@@y.k.9705 you are absolutely correct. There are some UA-camrs that don’t have the moral compass to be able to bring honest opinions. That’s the reason I tried to bring data to my reviews. I agree that this speaker is compromised. And it’s not really one that I personally would recommend or buy myself. However, I do still love arylic amplifiers in whole house audio systems. But for their first speaker, I think they have some work to do.
Dayton esoteric goes to 5.1khz as a 7" woofer.
CSS Audio kits.
You’re right. Ribbon with this size woofer should be in a three-way design with the size woofer, which is pretty much what I said to the limitations of the ribbon. As far as CSS audio is concerned, you’re correct that they do offer their drivers, and completed speakers for sale. The difference is CSS audio is a driver manufacturer first. The difference with this company is the fact that they are a speaker company first which also offers these particular drivers for sale. To me, there’s a difference there. But if someone wants to consider CSSI, he was doing the same thing I wouldn’t argue with them.
You could even say Parts Express does this. Technically, you can buy dayton audio completed speakers, and buy all the drivers at Parts Express.
I personally like the Faital Pro 3FE22 wide range speakers. They can be used full range at lower powers or for higher power use crossover at 500hz or higher.
Any speaker forcing a woofer to play up that high is going to have a bad time. In a two way, I greatly prefer crossing at 1500hz or less (the lower the better). While doing so may come at a slight cost way up in the range, that area just isn't really that crucial to audio playback.
Hard to find tweeters that go that low to match up 90% of the tweeters out there only go down to 2k what are you using ?
@@ericschulze5641 Neo 3 from BG were always some of my favorites. Especially if you toss them in a waveguide.
There are a few other high end tweeters that go low and are remarkably clean like the Satori from SB Acoustics.
you just cant do a decent 2 way with that type of tweeter. add a midrange and limit the woofer and then you have a shot. that big woofer is not designed t reach that high as well.
I completely agree. I love Arylic and their products, but this is their first speaker that they put out and I think it shows in some of the design choices. Knowing them as a company, though, I have a feeling that they will learn from this.
How about that sneak peak amp info?
Yeah, I forgot that, I’m updating the info right now
Updated! Thank you!
I don't understand why people say you can cross a midrange driver too high, old school speakers left them uncrossed on the high end most times just a simple bass blocker capacitor, and they sound better to me like that, especially if you use the style of drivers with a higher frequency response.
There’s a few issues with crossing them over too high that we’ve learned since the older speakers. First, every driver becomes directional after a certain frequency. That frequency is determined by the size of the driver. If you cross too high your speaker becomes too localized in a certain bandwidth meaning your best sound will be directly in front of it. Another issue that we found out is different drivers break up at different points causing more distortion in the speakers. This is often perceived as loudness, since it is unpleasant and you want someone to turn down the sound. Both of these concepts as well as others weren’t well understood as they are now.
I was relieved that you had no port noise complaint.
I’m really confused on how you thought that was a complaint. At 1:23 I complemented the port design and choice, and stated that I didn’t hear any port noise. Maybe you can explain why you thought that I complained about it?
@@Toid I was making a feeble attempt at levity. Remember the Philip Roth novel "Portnoy's Complaint." Besides, what I said was that you had NO port noise complaint, so even if you did not get the joke your response makes no sense.
@@grinpick I got you. I did not understand the joke. But I appreciate you explaining it to me. In audio when someone says no port noise complaint. They mean that they’re complaining because there is no port noise. So I took that as you meaning that I was complaining that I didn’t hear any port noise. Which, in HiFi audio you’re trying to eliminate or reduce. That’s why my response was what it was. But I appreciate you explaining the joke because a few people said that and I was confused with where I was complaining that there was no port noise.
Sneak preview link?
Doing it right now
Updated! Thank You!
Great review! You obviously understand speaker design in depth.
It seems to me that they are going out of their way to showcase that tweeter and that the design suffers as a result.
Distortion tests generally prove that a good dome tweeter kicks the crap out of most everything else.
A rising high frequency response in the top octave gives a false sense of air that becomes fatiguing in the long term. With my older ears, 15khz is about all I can hear anyway. I had too many years playing drums in rock bands and riding motorcycles without ear plugs. For my money, a higher end Morel tweeter sounds amazingly good, even with the top half-octave rolloff. What I find is that a good dome is dynamic and low in distortion. I suspect that this design could have benefitted from such a tweeter crossed at 2khz. It would be interesting to take that tweeter and add it as an off-axis "air" tweeter on an l-pad, crossed over very high, just to add an adjustable amount of "air" effect.
I paired a Dayton silk dome tweeter with Silver Flute woofer. With no experience, I matched based on sensitivity, graphs, and construction material. The Silver Flutes incorporate wool, so a silk tweeter seemed a match. They sound heavenly! Maybe I have builders bias, but they are non fatiguing at high volume. Not counting room acoustics. I do plan on making sound panels in future.
@@keithmarlowe5569 That's an interesting match. The Silver Flute woofers are a good value. I've had one around for testing once. I'm glad your project turned out well. It's always rewarding when you take a chance and the end result exceeds expectations.
What's the difference between CSS audio selling some one of their kit speakers that's pre-built and these? You can also buy the drivers separately, no?
That’s true and a good point CSS does do that. But CSS is also a driver manufacturer. They started off selling their drivers. Then they moved on to sell DIY kits, and premade speakers. I could see why someone would equate that to the same thing. But I’ve never seen a speaker manufacturer that manufactures electronics and not drivers actually sell their component separately.
USHER does the same! You can buy their drivers separately.
I have a pair of their 15PA woofers. They are excellent. I had tried one in my car in a large sealed box. Nicest full sounding bass. Can’t remember if it was in a 3.4 cuft or a 6 cuft box.
AMT tweeter = bright speaker every time lol
Look alot like wavecore wf168wa05/06
Either the Background is just a Photo or your Wall clock needs a new battery.
Haha! Nice! That’s my wife’s decorative clock. Technically, I could put a new battery in it, and it would probably work, but the battery will die in like a week. So she just use it for decoration.
What was the "never seen before" ????
Paper makes the best sounding cone material, IMO. Can't stand the sound of glass fiber cones.
No Portnoys Complaint?
The treeter name is pronounced "HYYLE"!
Hey would you make a pair of custom cabinet for me? I shot an email
Looking at the prices...NOT INTERESTED, at all. Wouldn't pay even $200 for a pair of the larger ones, from what I'm seeing here. Not impressed with their amplifiers either. I returned their PA50 streaming amp. Only paid $150, but didn't like it. Sounded veiled. My 25 year old 30 wpc Yamaha desktop receiver blew it away using Wharfedale Diamond 11.2 speakers.
FS
Send them to me....ill see if they work underwater.
Haha! I’ll keep that in mind
When I can't hear anything above 13,000 Hz, a capacity to play at 40KHz doesn't mattet to me. When I can't hear anything below 50Hz, a capacity to play at 42Hz doesn't matter to me, either. So I want a subwoofer connected. Then, I can hear down to 30Hz. 😁
Pretty sure it's pronounced Hy-el.
Just no, to anymore budget 50 WPC amps. 100 WPC into "8" ohms should be a baseline for residential audiophile use. On top of that, they're geared towards the most inefficient type speakers, which has these amps mostly running near clipping. Now it's gotten normal to rate amps at 4 ohm, which used to be mostly reserved for car stereo. Now they use that rating to make it seem more powerful than they are.
They seem to do music power ratings as well, further increasing the "Watts" number.
50 watts is only 3db less than 100 watts. If you don't listen at high volume or have a fairly efficient speaker, 30 true watts can be plenty. I have put an oscilloscope on my speaker /amp while listening at concert levels and only seen voltage peaks equivalent to 60 watts at 8 ohms.
It depends on music played. But in general 100W/8ohm with decent current reserve seems like a decent choice. I had once 50W/8ohm which doubled it's power down to 2ohms load. It was a very good choice for somewhat 90dB/2.83V sensitivity rating 3way floorstander.
Waste of money and time,I’m looking at another company thx
Imho acrylic isn't that great tbh even with their amps
Not very honest review, sounds more commercial 😕
Really? Like what part? The part I said in usually love their stuff, but these aren’t for me?
The “Golden Grail” in Home theater audio for most peoples is building a surround sound system on a budget. Under $1000 for AVR and Speakers. If you minus $400 for the AVR that leaves $600. You sound very knowledgeable and have the tools to measure speaker audio output. Can you make a video on DIY bookshelf speakers and center channel for 5.1 home theater setup ?… with 5 or 6 inch woofers and ATM tweeters ? And build some cross overs too. Can you do this on a $600 budget ?….Not including the box cabinets. Just the Speakers and Crossovers ?…..Home theater systems usually have a Subwoofer so they don’t need a lot of base but must AVR are about 100 amps per channel so the Speakers should be able to support 100 amps or more. Speakers that are NOT to BRIGHT but EASY on the EARS for Hours of listening enjoyment but can also image THX, DTS, Dolby Digital, and ATMOS Audio.
I am sure the Speaker components are available I am just NOT an Expert in Building or Selecting Speakers so I don’t know which components to use ?…The Speakers in this Video are too expensive and I don’t need that type of base in bookshelf speakers because I have 12-inch Subwoofers. The ATM tweeter sounds like a good choice but which Driver should I use and which crossover design ?…..I have never built a crossover so I don’t know how to wire it up. I see videos from GR-research but he does not list the components ?….
Critical reviews like this are rare, but greatly appreciated!