25. Hamilton Animatic - "Cabinet Battle 1" (Jane and JV BLIND REACTION 🎵)
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"We both know who's really doing the planting." - Hamilton
Ohh, I was pissed when he was all like, "We got it made in the shade~" Referring to the slaves out sowing and tending to the fields while they sat on their ass.
You go Hamilton! You tell 'em!!
Kawaii Chan asaassassssaaaaasa
RIGHTTTT!
According to Market Power's reaction and video regarding about the debate in Cabinet Battle #1, New York was one of the north's most concentrated slave marketers. In other words, Considering the timeline being in the 1700's many regions in the North wouldn't mind the slavery that was occurring then. Even much so, they would be willing to participate and buy slaves. The only reason why South had many slaves was due to the agricultural growth which allowed them to accumulate enough profit to buy and own slaves. New York on the other hand, managed to have a broad range in their economical trades allowing them to buy and participate in the slave market.
Being Canadian and not knowing much of American history, often made me assume that the South were slavers, but I forget that its often a bias perspective and also have to recognize the timeline and the societal values that were present. This would also make me reconsider that the North (of the USA) is often misrepresented as anti slavery when in reality, they were very much similar to the South.
Most former slaves that owned slaves, did so to keep their families together. They had to BUY their families in order to stay together.
Welp... I like the line, I don't really like that Hamilton was the one to deliver it, Hamilton was... certainly something with his political beliefs, but he was no abolitionist, hell, abolitionist was used as a insult to other men of 'high society' during his lifetime (he was considered to be a man of High Society too; Moving from one part of the British Empire to another was not considered to be Immigration [Hamilton in fact did not care for Immigrants, giving his version of the 'Some I assume are good people' within one of his many writings] and he kept his father's name, who was Scottish Nobility. It seems that Hamilton was the most obsessed with the Elite among the founding fathers, with him wanting the rich to have large amounts of sway with the government and among the many differences between the Federalist and Democratic-Republicans, one of the more prominent was the underlying desire of the Federalists to turn America into a capitalist utopia and the desires of the Democratic-Republicans to turn us into a farming state to generate income.), there'd likely be a duel if such a thing was said. Along with this, he ran the some of the Schyler's businesses in place of his brothers(yeah, the play loves its tiny inaccuracies, I'm not picking on this one cause it's more forgivable than painting the man as an abolitionist, only for people who research later to realize he was a slave owner) in law and father in law, which dealt in Slaves. Put quite simply, even John Laurens wasn't a true abolitionist, at least not by today's standards, he simply didn't want the English to get free soldiers out of any slaves in cities they captured, and argued that the first Black regiment would be depriving the English of another resource in a War that was all about depriving their enemy and stacking the deck as best they could.
That said, I know this is more a result of Historical fiction than Historical fact, and it's a wonderful musical, I just wish people would allow the Founders to be seen as what they were, flawed complex people who were very much effected by the time period that they lived in, rather than the perfect founders who knew from the start that they were gonna have a world superpower through the power of FREEDOM (and propaganda).
... If it makes you feel better, Eliza is a much more mysterious figure during the time, mostly cause her own letters from the time period couldn't be found (as Burn alludes to) though she did own a personal slave that came with her when she married Hamilton, whether this was a necessity of her family's status or she believed in the practice of the time can be debated, but she seemed to change her mind if she did believe so, if you consider the famous dinner with Lincoln she supposedly had.
And here we have the beginnings of the Hamilton v Jefferson rivalry. Buckle up, Act 2 is F U N
Ikr Act 2 is filled with nothing but *fun times...*
Everybody gangsta until George Washington says “One last time...”
The broad strokes of the musical are accurate, but there are a number of liberties taken to simplify the story. Jefferson (who holds a somewhat sacred place in the American heart) was, in reality, deeply involved with the war. He also is credited as the primary author of the Declaration of Independence and was the third President of the USA. He is s complicated figure. He was so eloquent in his writings about freedom and liberty, but his primary means of income was through slavery. He had hundreds of slaves, and set almost none free, even after his death.
Don't feel bad about not knowing Hamilton's place in American history. Americans know almost nothing about him, even though his face is on our $10 bill.
Sap TheSapient You should also add the fact the not only he had many slaves, but also he had many children with them, which unfortunately were never recognized. I was watching in the news that his “black” descendants weren’t allowed any of his inheritance nor the right of being buried in the same place were he was buried...... But I think the worst thing is that those details are never mentioned in class. It seems like people just want us to see a specific image of the founding fathers.
Interestingly enough, Jefferson was also an abolitionist.
@@megasauruss Sort of, but not in any meaningful way. He talked about slavery being evil, but did nothing to stop it. He opposed government action to end slavery, and argued it would end on its own when slave owners simply gave up their slaves. But he did not give up his slaves. He did not argue other slave owners should give up their slaves. In letters to Washington, he urged the retired President to take up slave breeding as a means of income.
SapSapient yeah. A rather shit abolitionist, but one nonetheless.
@@megasauruss True. Or, maybe it is better to say that his views changed over time. He was an impassioned abolitionist in his mid 20's. But his 30's, he was silent on the matter. By his 40's, he was all-in on slavery. Historian's views of Jefferson have changed on this matter in recent years. On Jefferson's death, the person who collected and published Jefferson's papers and letters intentionally left out and hid everything that cast doubt on Jefferson as a benevolent, generous master. In the 2000's, this material became available. We now know that Jefferson relied on whipping 10 year old boys to maximize production in his nail factory. He had recaptured slaves publicly flogged and then sold off to even worse owners. He was very proud of the profit margins on breeding slaves, to the extent he considered human being the primary produce of his properties.
And we can't just brush all this aside, believing that he was just a product of his time, not knowing any better. His friends were constantly urging him to release his slaves. Lafayette, for example, felt strongly that an act of emancipation by Jefferson would have a huge affect on slavery in general. Washington spent his final years setting aside money for his slaves, so they would have some resources when freed upon his death (not great, but still better than Jefferson). Jefferson's friend, Tadeusz Kościuszko, left money in his will to pay off Jefferson's debts and free and educate Jefferson's slaves. Jefferson declined the money.
Jefferson always believed slavery to be wrong. But he also thought black people were inferior; so inferior they could not co-exist with white people in a free society. His solution was to make as much money as he could, no matter how badly he had to treat his slaves. On his death, all of them were sold off, with no consideration to family relations. Children were sold without their parents or siblings. Spouses were separated. And remember that most of these people were kept illiterate, so even if they did escape, they had almost no means of finding each other.
In the end, Jefferson was basically evil.
We need ALL cabinet debates to be held as rap battle.. Those agree say aye
Aye
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Fun fact: Back then, the drink of choice was rum. But because the British Colonies cut off supplies, locally made whiskey rose in supply tenfold. Hamilton wanted to put a tax on whiskey, because America was facing a serious alcoholism problem. This was due to the fact that, finding water that wasn't full of germs and disease was rare, so whiskey was the drink of choice for soldiers on the battlefield.
He also wanted to tax it for funds for the national bank.
It's pretty factual, but it's all from Hamilton's perspective.
Which means its all in fact not all factual cuz you're only hearing one side of the story. The Reynolds affair especially. You literallt hear only Hamilton's side and he paints the picture that he was some victim that was simply being extorted when thats not neccesarily true.
Say no to this is 2 song away 😰
Oh god 😥
Is it bad that I’m excited XDDD
Daaaaaammmmmnnnn
Cadenne McDaris it makes me think “Peggy you stole your sisters husband” xD
Oh no
"This is madness."
"This is politics."
Hamilton is pretty accurate. They did take some artistic liberties but nothing huge. But Thomas Jefferson really wasn’t a good guy.
Jefferson got smoked in this one
There are 18 historical discrepancies in Hamilton. I agree there is an inconsistency in Jefferson writing about freedom while being a slave owner. thank you Jane and JV for your reactions. God bless you.
@Tweety Song It doesn't matter if he was "perfect", a silly notion in itself. Who he was, when given the chance to do the right thing for no other reason than it was right, shows he was a selfish monster. Jefferson CHOSE to be slavers, rapist, and RICH off exploitation. This idea that he "wasn't perfect" needs to stop being said, no one is asking for "perfection". What they want are people that aren't HYPOCRITES. And that is what Jefferson was. To say this "perfect" bs says and or implies EXCUSES.
It’s biased in Hamilton’s favor, so it glosses over or ignores unfavorable things, such as his elitism, the Whiskey Rebellion (alluded to briefly here) and his support of the Alien and Sedition Acts, which made it harder for immigrants to become citizens.
Didn't the Whiskey Rebellion favour Hamilton/Washington's Presidency? Despite the rebellion being 2-3 years long, at the end of it all, didn't it show the commitment and state capacity of the Government? Unlike what had happened to the Boston Tea Party, showing little state capacity from the British Monarchy.
As well, the taxation on whiskey was to help pay for the states' debts. Hamilton believed that everyone profited from the results of the war. I believe it was Manhattan that was in need and in turmoil economically so by taxing Whiskey it would help lessen the debts from the war but Jefferson and a few western regions didn't agree with the taxation resulting in the Whiskey Rebellion.
I cant wait for the next one but say no to this is two aongs away and idk how to feel 😥😥😥
excited for the next song!!! it's really sweet. philip is great
Did the subtitles have a stroke near the end there?
After I learned that Columbus sucked in elementary school I found out about the other founding fathers and my views of them went down from there despite the good things they did
@Tweety Song You can't convince me that 40 year old Jefferson was a good person. He was a racist despite wanting to do good, at that point, he had many opportunities to do good. He let them slip.
@Tweety Song The truth is most of the founding father did "great things" for THEMSELVES and to have their OWN nation. It doesn't matter if they were "perfect", a silly notion in itself. Who they were, when given the chance to do the right thing for no other reason than it was right, shows they were selfish monsters. They CHOSE to be slavers, rapist, and RICH off exploitation. This idea that "no one perfect" needs to stop being said, no one is asking for "perfection". What they want are people that aren't HYPOCRITES. And that is what EVERY founding father that owned slaves was. To say this "perfect" bs says and or implies EXCUSES. If you are reconciling the good and the bad you are making EXCUSES. They were not good people at heart. Good people don't do terrible things. They were SELFISH people that did "Good" things for THEMSELVES and those they believed deserving of them. That is SELFISHNESS. That is RACISM.
Hamilton isn’t very accurate. For one, the oldest Schuyler sister wasn’t in love with Hamilton and actually had older brothers. They weren’t just 3 sisters.
Omg yes😂😂❤❤
This is pretty accurate. George Washington freed his slaves when he died, Ben Franklin had 2 paid servants, John Adams and Alexander Hamilton never had any. Ben, John, and Alex were publicly against slavery. Thomas Jefferson said he was but he was extremely wishy washy and hypocritical about it. Washington never said much of anything, real neutral in his time, but it's said that he privately opposed slavery. And the debate is all factual, slavery is the reason the south had less debt and less debt is why a central financial system wasn't appealing to them. That, and the banks, most of which are in New York, would gain tremendous power. These debates and economic differences are what set the stage for civil war decades later.
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The show is made by Hamilton's bio. Lin is who made the show.
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