Thanks for this video these two projects are my final choices I'm not worried about the Sony performance on the 150 inch screen it'll perform much better on a smaller screen my only question know is jvc with 150 inch screen or Sony with 120 inch screen
Can the Sony 6000 projector be calibrated to bring up the shadow detail in the dark scenes? It doesn’t have to be as good as the JVC. I just want to know if it can be done.
I have the Sony XW 6000. It actually has perfect blacks. There is no gray tone to it at all. All I have watched so far are movies that have mostly dark scenes in them. It does the dark scenes very well.
This is super comforting! I originally had the JVC rs2100 on order but later changed to the Sony xw6000 because it has a shorter throw that would be helpful for my shorter room. This shootout had given me big time buyers remorse originally. Starting to feel ok with my decision.
@jeffrey bankers After calibrating my with the Disney WOW disk, the blacks definitely aren't perfect but I don't find them to bee bad at all. There is some lacking in some detail but overall I've been quite pleased with the picture quality of the xw6000. The detail and sharpness truly looks so good. I had a top tier plasma and have used nothing but OLED for the last 7 years. I'd be really curious to see the JVC in person.
I think the reviewer is bias towards the SONY and favors the JVC. The SONY seems to be sharper and have more accurate colors. What the JVC has going for are the HDR tone mapping and darker blacks which it is famous for. I used to own a JVC (RS 66u) and I can attest to it.
Maybe it's hard to tell from a youtube video, but to me the Sony looked better in this video outside of those select scenes. The detail and colors just looked better. Probably subjective.
It would have been nice to be at this event to see both in person but from what I see, I think I'm glad I got the NZ8. Can't wait to finish my theater and get mine up and running.
Unfortunately the camera will favour the projector with the least lumens so in the bright scene that will be the SONY and the darker scenes it will be the JVC. Your eyes can adapt with this easily but not a camera. Having the JVC I know just how good 1917 can look so I would lean towards it purely because of this but unless you are willing to fork out for an additional DTM solution I think anyone would be mad to not to pick JVC.
I'll take either (the Sony with a smaller screen of course) and pair them both with a anamorphic lens and and screen innovations slate acoustic transparent cinescope screen both projects are best bang for buck period and are my final choices
One thing that is clear is that JVCs tone mapping artificially enhances luminance in dark scenes to the point where it is completely outside of the artists intent. With the vast majority of new UHD releases coming with either HDR10+, Dolby Vision or both, frame adapt HDR is becoming unnecessary. Another important distinction is that the Sony produces a much sharper image compared to the JVC, despite the JVC having 8K E-ShiftX. And finally, the Sony is about $4,000 less than the JVC.
What did you expect Sony clearly advertised 200 nits on a 150 inch screen it'll perform much much better on a smaller screen while the jvc excels at up to 200 inch for that model and up to 300 inch with their higher end models
I was there and you are correct about the video being misleading. However, much to my surprise the JVC blew the Sony out of the water in every dark scene. The black floor of the Sony is not good. The Epson 12000 was even worse though. Also, the brighter scenes were not as different as the video makes it appear.
@@jimmymcgill5572 The Sony might have been more color accurate but I couldn't tell at the viewing. The differences in black levels were so drastic I didn't notice much of anything else.
I just watched the Matrix at the new Alamo Drafthouse at the Mercado in Naples Florida that opened just two weeks ago. I was absolutely NOT impressed with the very poor black levels, which were actually grey and the projector totally crushed black detail, I'm not exaggerating. I researched and found out that the Alamo Drafthouse chain uses Sony SXRD 4K projectors exclusively. They should have gone with Christie DLP! This shootout reinforces my experiences with Sony projectors that go back several years, which includes a 45K Sony Projector at Epic A/V in Naples last year. Sony have had problems with their SXRD chips that progressively loose contrast over a relatively short period of use, I don't know if that's applicable here, but I don't believe so. I've tolerated all the positive reviews of Sony projectors and have always been puzzled by the glowing reviews that have never agreed with what I was seeing. This shootout very much agrees with my experiences. Take if for what its worth, but i would carefully review projectors if your considering Sony!
I bought a Mad VR Envy Extreme to go with my Sony 6000 projector and it makes a huge difference. It does the best HDR dynamic tone mapping. It beats the JVC projectors with its dynamic tone mapping. It brings out the shadow detail big time. If you have the budget, I recommend the Envy Extreme. It makes the Sony 6000 better than the NZ9 (which my friend owns).
The blacks in my Sony 6000 are great. It doesn’t really matter if you don’t put it next to a JVC. Everything else on the projector is awesome and the blacks or pretty close anyway.
You failed to mention that it costs more than the projector itself. That's insane. Though together they equal the NZ9 in price so I guess if the NZ9's in your budget, you combo would be the way to go. But still insane.
The Envy Extreme is extremely expensive, but it’s fully upgradable and it makes the picture so much better. To me, it’s worth the money. I would say if you have the budget, get it.
I've been reading more about production quality issues with the JVC than with the SONY. JVC is made in Thailand. SONY I believe is in Japan or Malaysia.
I would totally disagree its professionally stupid to compare like this blind way ...should be calibrated ,should have set to not to clip on bright parts and details should be shown on closeup and flipped and Sony's representation on 1917 dark seen is the accurate one ... checkout the same scene on HDR on (HDR tv or something) bcoz I checked on my 1000 nits MacBook its Sony is real , Jvc's is not accurate
I tested the sony 6000 with a 4k HDR copy of 1917 to find my own results against a 65" OLED LG AS a reference . MY testing looking nothing like what this video shows in dark scenes particularly the 1917 stair scene which in this video , the sony is un watchable ... 2 observations .... 1 the sony 6000 looked much better in my testing and actually matched the picture against the OLED . 2 the jvc in the video aggressively "Brightens" the subjects face in the shot, NOT what the master cut intended. It is a purposefully dark scene . DTM on the jvc seems overly aggressive in this scene . Its like going into best buy and all the TVs are overly saturated and brightened lol. IT would have been useful to have an OLED as a reference here, as I did . the blacks on the Sony also matched the OLED ( In scene content ) except the black bars which I doubt any projector south of 50k can do .
Good analysis I was also thinking the same thing, completely agree with you. I feel JVC is not so good as people make it out to be, I Sandi feel Sony have really done well with this new line up. Also I run HTPC with madvr which I am sure will take it to a new level as it does proper frame by frame tone mapping. I'm using benq w2100i poor Black's but overall a nice looking HDR picture. Looking to upgrade to the Sony 5000. Thank you for your info it was very helpful in making my decision. I feel there is to many people using on the Sony even say sharpness is not as good, and I have already seen evidence on how much better it is
5000 was compared to NZ7 (good, better, best was compared to good, better, best) There was also requests made after the initial comparisons. If you attend, they are pretty accommodating to any comparisons as long as time allows
@@rongbai1001 they did NZ8 w Envy vs NZ9 w just Theater Optimizer. The NZ8 crushed it. I suspect the NZ7 will look quite competitive as well w the envy. They also put the envy on an LS 12000 vs NZ9 w TO and I from a far thought it crushed it also.
@@FrankieKennethL is there any of those comparison videos on UA-cam? I am trying to find a madVR Envy dealer in Dallas area that can do a demo before I make a decision.
@@BogaHomeTheater I have a dedicated home Theatre … In tried JVC but it was too bright for the room . My Home Theatre is 22 ft in length 15 ft wide with 8 ft ceiling…. Currently I am using Sony 695 es so happy for next 5 years I won’t even think to change unless Projector reaches to Dolby vision clarity
Sony looks like what you are used to seeing in the cinema because many studios still use Sony cameras and they use Sony monitors to master the content. Sony does have great natural looking colors but JVC wins for black level and contrast. Sony still lags pretty far behind in terms of HDR performance as well.
Thanks for this video these two projects are my final choices I'm not worried about the Sony performance on the 150 inch screen it'll perform much better on a smaller screen my only question know is jvc with 150 inch screen or Sony with 120 inch screen
Can the Sony 6000 projector be calibrated to bring up the shadow detail in the dark scenes? It doesn’t have to be as good as the JVC. I just want to know if it can be done.
I have the Sony XW 6000. It actually has perfect blacks. There is no gray tone to it at all. All I have watched so far are movies that have mostly dark scenes in them. It does the dark scenes very well.
This is super comforting! I originally had the JVC rs2100 on order but later changed to the Sony xw6000 because it has a shorter throw that would be helpful for my shorter room. This shootout had given me big time buyers remorse originally. Starting to feel ok with my decision.
@jeffrey bankers After calibrating my with the Disney WOW disk, the blacks definitely aren't perfect but I don't find them to bee bad at all. There is some lacking in some detail but overall I've been quite pleased with the picture quality of the xw6000. The detail and sharpness truly looks so good. I had a top tier plasma and have used nothing but OLED for the last 7 years. I'd be really curious to see the JVC in person.
I think the reviewer is bias towards the SONY and favors the JVC. The SONY seems to be sharper and have more accurate colors. What the JVC has going for are the HDR tone mapping and darker blacks which it is famous for. I used to own a JVC (RS 66u) and I can attest to it.
Maybe it's hard to tell from a youtube video, but to me the Sony looked better in this video outside of those select scenes. The detail and colors just looked better. Probably subjective.
It would have been nice to be at this event to see both in person but from what I see, I think I'm glad I got the NZ8. Can't wait to finish my theater and get mine up and running.
What was the throw distance for the projectors?
Unfortunately the camera will favour the projector with the least lumens so in the bright scene that will be the SONY and the darker scenes it will be the JVC. Your eyes can adapt with this easily but not a camera.
Having the JVC I know just how good 1917 can look so I would lean towards it purely because of this but unless you are willing to fork out for an additional DTM solution I think anyone would be mad to not to pick JVC.
I went with the NZ8 and a plain white wall. No regrets.
What project screen was used to test on I don't need to know the aspect ratio just the color and gain
Sony xw6000es vs Nz8 why?
Because they have similar lumens, 2500
I'll take either (the Sony with a smaller screen of course) and pair them both with a anamorphic lens and and screen innovations slate acoustic transparent cinescope screen both projects are best bang for buck period and are my final choices
This must have been fantastic
Wonderful👍👍👍👍
One thing that is clear is that JVCs tone mapping artificially enhances luminance in dark scenes to the point where it is completely outside of the artists intent. With the vast majority of new UHD releases coming with either HDR10+, Dolby Vision or both, frame adapt HDR is becoming unnecessary.
Another important distinction is that the Sony produces a much sharper image compared to the JVC, despite the JVC having 8K E-ShiftX.
And finally, the Sony is about $4,000 less than the JVC.
What did you expect Sony clearly advertised 200 nits on a 150 inch screen it'll perform much much better on a smaller screen while the jvc excels at up to 200 inch for that model and up to 300 inch with their higher end models
both have their pros and cons
This video does not even come close how both look for real. You cant go wrong with either one. But i would go with the jvc all day long...
I was there and you are correct about the video being misleading. However, much to my surprise the JVC blew the Sony out of the water in every dark scene. The black floor of the Sony is not good. The Epson 12000 was even worse though. Also, the brighter scenes were not as different as the video makes it appear.
@@keving.5295 Thank you for the info.
@@keving.5295 What did the sony do better, color accuracy?
@@jimmymcgill5572 The Sony might have been more color accurate but I couldn't tell at the viewing. The differences in black levels were so drastic I didn't notice much of anything else.
I just watched the Matrix at the new Alamo Drafthouse at the Mercado in Naples Florida that opened just two weeks ago. I was absolutely NOT impressed with the very poor black levels, which were actually grey and the projector totally crushed black detail, I'm not exaggerating. I researched and found out that the Alamo Drafthouse chain uses Sony SXRD 4K projectors exclusively. They should have gone with Christie DLP! This shootout reinforces my experiences with Sony projectors that go back several years, which includes a 45K Sony Projector at Epic A/V in Naples last year. Sony have had problems with their SXRD chips that progressively loose contrast over a relatively short period of use, I don't know if that's applicable here, but I don't believe so. I've tolerated all the positive reviews of Sony projectors and have always been puzzled by the glowing reviews that have never agreed with what I was seeing. This shootout very much agrees with my experiences. Take if for what its worth, but i would carefully review projectors if your considering Sony!
I bought a Mad VR Envy Extreme to go with my Sony 6000 projector and it makes a huge difference. It does the best HDR dynamic tone mapping. It beats the JVC projectors with its dynamic tone mapping. It brings out the shadow detail big time. If you have the budget, I recommend the Envy Extreme. It makes the Sony 6000 better than the NZ9 (which my friend owns).
But you still don't get JVC black levels though......
The blacks in my Sony 6000 are great. It doesn’t really matter if you don’t put it next to a JVC. Everything else on the projector is awesome and the blacks or pretty close anyway.
You failed to mention that it costs more than the projector itself. That's insane. Though together they equal the NZ9 in price so I guess if the NZ9's in your budget, you combo would be the way to go. But still insane.
The Envy Extreme is extremely expensive, but it’s fully upgradable and it makes the picture so much better. To me, it’s worth the money. I would say if you have the budget, get it.
@@kevenkohler761 its just an overpriced HTPC hell no
Sony, better sharpness and overall picture quality
JVC, ......................
I've been reading more about production quality issues with the JVC than with the SONY. JVC is made in Thailand. SONY I believe is in Japan or Malaysia.
@@francismedina4547 The SONY XW6000ES and the XW7000ES are actually "Made in China".
Victor's white balance is terrible
only the dark part is good
I would totally disagree its professionally stupid to compare like this blind way ...should be calibrated ,should have set to not to clip on bright parts and details should be shown on closeup and flipped and Sony's representation on 1917 dark seen is the accurate one ... checkout the same scene on HDR on (HDR tv or something) bcoz I checked on my 1000 nits MacBook its Sony is real , Jvc's is not accurate
I tested the sony 6000 with a 4k HDR copy of 1917 to find my own results against a 65" OLED LG AS a reference . MY testing looking nothing like what this video shows in dark scenes particularly the 1917 stair scene which in this video , the sony is un watchable ... 2 observations .... 1 the sony 6000 looked much better in my testing and actually matched the picture against the OLED . 2 the jvc in the video aggressively "Brightens" the subjects face in the shot, NOT what the master cut intended. It is a purposefully dark scene . DTM on the jvc seems overly aggressive in this scene . Its like going into best buy and all the TVs are overly saturated and brightened lol. IT would have been useful to have an OLED as a reference here, as I did . the blacks on the Sony also matched the OLED ( In scene content ) except the black bars which I doubt any projector south of 50k can do .
Agree.
Good analysis I was also thinking the same thing, completely agree with you. I feel JVC is not so good as people make it out to be, I Sandi feel Sony have really done well with this new line up. Also I run HTPC with madvr which I am sure will take it to a new level as it does proper frame by frame tone mapping. I'm using benq w2100i poor Black's but overall a nice looking HDR picture. Looking to upgrade to the Sony 5000. Thank you for your info it was very helpful in making my decision. I feel there is to many people using on the Sony even say sharpness is not as good, and I have already seen evidence on how much better it is
@@nebtheweb8885 ua-cam.com/video/QgdBEFJ8C-g/v-deo.html
I was thinking about the setting of each projector. Maybe the sony wasn’t properly set up and whoever set this up favored the jvc.
I agree. I have a Sony 6000 projector with. A Mad VR Envy Extreme and the picture is unbeatable, and the blacks on the XW 6000 are great.
JVC NZ8 is $4000 more expensive than Sony XW6000. More than 30% price difference. Why not compare NZ7 with 6000.
5000 was compared to NZ7 (good, better, best was compared to good, better, best) There was also requests made after the initial comparisons. If you attend, they are pretty accommodating to any comparisons as long as time allows
@@DarthBrockstar Thanks. I am really interested in madVR Envy. NZ7+envy extreme vs NZ9 might be the comparison I would like to see.
@@rongbai1001 they did NZ8 w Envy vs NZ9 w just Theater Optimizer. The NZ8 crushed it. I suspect the NZ7 will look quite competitive as well w the envy. They also put the envy on an LS 12000 vs NZ9 w TO and I from a far thought it crushed it also.
@@FrankieKennethL is there any of those comparison videos on UA-cam? I am trying to find a madVR Envy dealer in Dallas area that can do a demo before I make a decision.
@@rongbai1001 yes. Fomo did a full 8 hr live stream. Are you familiar with his channel?
I see that along with Sony projectors, you also carry Epson. Stop.
no black total ... exit both
Sony might not be brightest but when it comes to natural colors and black levels they are the best
This is wildly inaccurate, but believe what you want.
@@BogaHomeTheater I have a dedicated home Theatre … In tried JVC but it was too bright for the room . My Home Theatre is 22 ft in length 15 ft wide with 8 ft ceiling…. Currently I am using Sony 695 es so happy for next 5 years I won’t even think to change unless Projector reaches to Dolby vision clarity
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Sony looks like what you are used to seeing in the cinema because many studios still use Sony cameras and they use Sony monitors to master the content. Sony does have great natural looking colors but JVC wins for black level and contrast. Sony still lags pretty far behind in terms of HDR performance as well.
@@keepingupwiththejones2933 you might be right . I have been With Sony for decades
Sony all day!!