Update: It only took 2 weeks after all to the new bracket in Italy, Good job Moto Guzzi. Looking at the Stock vs Agostini System, the Bracket and bolt are load bearig due to the heavy catalytic converter, however with the lightweight Agostini Tubes, it is merly a place holder. Therefore I decided to finish the system and do a leak check. No check engine light on start up and I will do a Sound video tomorrow. It sounds proper ... Another observation, the Stock muffler connecting flange is only 3.8 centimeter vs 5 on the Mistral which results in a more finished look with the Mistral at the connecting flange.
That bracket is totally fixable and reusable. The knowledge of the lead time of a replacement is only further incentive to fix rather than replacing it. Replicating it would be option two, but from what I can see in the video I would fix the existing one.
I had the same problem on my V100 Mandello after only 900 miles, the day before a trip from the Isle of Man to Europe! The saving grace as you say is that the bracket can be removed, but this was also tricky due to the factory thread locker that was used on the mounting bolts. I managed to drill a hole through the sheared bolt and then using a stud removal tool. I used a shorter bolt as a replacement. The original bolt fitted at factory was too long (the sheared bolt head was still in place in the bushing on the exhaust) and the thread had presumably bottomed out in the bolt hole and must have sheared on being torqued up. It's an easy but very frustrating fix. There should be no need to order a new bracket. I have since done another 3000 miles across Europe and all is well.
Good to hear that you got it fixed. I don’t have the tools and even my triumph dealer gave up on it, so I am glad the new bracket came in rather quick. I am still thinking these are first year model gremlins as we are somewhat beta testers for MG. I am sure MG is paying attention “hopefully” and changes the materials used in the future model years.
I just found this video. That bolt from what I understand for the stock exhaust system isn't supposed to go in tight. It is supposed to bottom out and allow slack for the muffler/cat to expand and shrink with the heat. The loose fit allows for the expansion. There have been reports of some misalignment resulting in broken bolts. I believe there is a replacement bracket to cure the problem.So far no problem with mine.
The replacement bracket supplied by Moto Guzzi did not fit , so they did start altering them. I had to modify it to fit. So far it is holding up. I do keep an eye on it since it failed …
A very simple, reverse direction cobalt drill bit, would extract that broken bolt in nothing flat. Just center punch the bolt head to keep the drill bit from walking, and start to drill. Within the first few millimeters of drilling, I’’m sure the drill will bite and the bolt will come out. I would probably even place the piece in a protective jaw vise, center punch the bolt head, heat it with a propane or MAPP gas torch, and then drill it right out. By now, I’m sure you got it already, but this is for anybody else who might experience the same issue.
Yes, I got the replacement bracket. I did give it to my Triumph dealer but the said they could not get it out. Not sure what that says about the dealer … lol
As an American Guzzi owner I feel your pain. I think if you're going to own bikes from smaller, albeit famous, companies, you have to be prepared to improvise. I would echo other suggestions here that you just take the bracket to a shop, have them remove the broken bolt, which is a common task. Then go to a real hardware store used by tradesmen (not a home depot style) and get a grade 8 replacement bolt. Put your bike back together and enjoy. 😊 Then in 2 months when the parts come, you can replace them with new.
That is kinda what I did today ... ; ). I got knobby tires for my Scrambler today and asked the Triumph shop if they could remove it for me, they are working on it.
Go ahead, me replacing the exhaust has nothing to do with it. It was actually a good thing that I replaced it and stumbled over it, otherwise I would have kept riding, and it could have caused more damage with the system not being properly attached to the bike. If you want, easy to check, as long as you see a bolt sticking out of the bracket, you are good! ... ; )
I’m anxious to hear it too. I’m also curious about whether removing the cat will set off a check engine light. I don’t know if there are any oxygen sensors in the system.
@@larryechols6060 There's an oxygen sensor on each pipe. You can see it in the video just after the cylinders on the 2 pipes. Since there isn't an oxygen sensor after the catalytic converter, then perhaps the only thing to worry about is less backflow and running too rich/lean. Too lean and the engine could fail. Too rich and you waste a lot of gas and maybe cause longevity issues. I'm not a mechanic though so maybe I'm wrong.
@@larryechols6060 there are 1 sensor of each side of the header, you can see the black cable going to it in the video. Check enginelight should not come on but we will find out soon hopefully ... =)
Why don't you make a bracket? I fitted a Vance and Hines system to my Pan Am, it needed a support bracket at the back of the cat and the start of the new muffler connection pipe, quick trip to the hardware store, some work with a hacksaw and a long bolt with a spacer, and problem fixed.
I wanted to keep the factory part, turned out to be a good thing as the IMU of the Guzzi is rather “touchy” when it comes to vibrations and threw errors when I tried a temporary solution.
I hope you'll get the part sooner than the 2 months. I've took my stock tail pipe off recently because I found it was misaligned pulling the foot peg mount out a fair bit and my side case was way to tight to slide in place. I've got a new Mistral Avion Gt on order. I'll be careful when I tighten it back up so not to stress that bolt sideways too much.
Considering I only have about 1000 miles on the bike, me thinks that bolt may be of poor material, something my dealer echoed when looking at it, unless it was over tighten from the factory, would not be a first … lol
I love the Guzzi V100. It's a shame for the silly bracket issue maybe you should go round the dealer in the US and talk directly to Agostini dealer in Mandello del Lario...
That's painful! At least you have the other bikes to enjoy. I have had some accessories for my scrambler be back-ordered for a while, but haven't heard of any replacement parts like that being unavailable.
Funny how that works, Like I mentioned I was litteraly going to trade my XSR today for another Italian, going to hold off ... ; ). I am putting off orad focused tires on the Scrambler, Triumph in general seems to be a bit better, the longest I had to wait so far was 2 weeks when the Trident needed a new seal on the shifter assembly.
Yeah well that's life , sounds like they got the bolts mixed up , that bolt should not have sheared off. It's a part( the bracket )that would not be ordered that often, if at all. So no surprise it's not in the country. It's a shame you didn't notice it before pulling the exhaust off , the dealer would have to deal with it then. Anyway life's good, the bike is beautiful. I just feel sorry you have to go back to riding a Yamaha.......ok I'm joking.
haha, Yami does not have the soul for sure, but it works? ... lol My dealer was actually very good about it, ordered the new bracket on their own dime, said did not even want to deal with a warranty claim.
You think the situation would be different for a brand new model from any other manufacturer? Service and high turnover stuff will be stocked first, the rest of it later, if ever. It also doesn't look like something that would even slow me down much, never mind stop the job.
I have seen it go either way and I am just stating facts, not bashing MG. As for the job at hand, I did finish it and then went methodically at looking at it and coming to the conclusion that I can do without due to the light weight . Just took me a minute to get there and had a conversation with another viewer that coincidentally spoke to a Cali MG shop and they stated that the middle bracket is not needed. I just don’t rush, but thats just me.
Now that is a company that I would not expect these problems from but then again same company is starting to sell caruburated bikes here again in the USA ...
Don't worry, Guzzi belongs to Piaggio, same as Aprilia and they aren't capable to learn something about customer service. I own 2 Aprilia and I love those bikes a lot but I would never buy again something from that company!
I would drill out the broken bolt. If you don't have the skills to do by yourself, a good mechanic could solve it in 10 minutes! Hope you come back to road in a short time
I am sorry. The bike itself is amazing and I am sure you will love it! The aftemarket parts catalog is slowly coming around as well. I am going to chalk this one up with first year model teething problems and not having a very big presence in the USA. I will still keep buying Moto Guzzi's despite, if that tells you anything.
@@ThatGermanFella I have taken a test ride and I’ve fallen in love with the bike and I’m going through with the purchase even though there’s only one dealership within a reasonable distance here in Virginia.
These issues are quite common on all brands down here in New Zealand. Importers are all cheap cunts who consider holding stock as a dead money, so there is none in the country. I had to wait for a safety sticker (part of the recall) for my Yamaha Tracer for over a month!
The Agostini is lighter for sure, but honestly the difference is not as much as I thought it would be. When I did the same on the V85, the difference was very noticable. On this one, I was was like, hmmm, not that bad weight wise. I get it it weighed when I get a chance.
I may place a call to a Moto Guzzi dealer in Germany just to see. I will say my dealer here in Texas has been very good about it. I just brought the part in, they looked at it and said they did not even want to bother with a warranty claim and just ordered it for me at their own cost, Kudos!
Sadly, that's the joy of owning an Italian bike and it's worse with older models. Parts availability is no better in the UK, where I live, so I hope nothing breaks on my 11 year old Griso 1200 SE! But you can get that bolt drilled out and the lug helicoiled, which will be a sound fix. Hope you're back on the V100 soon! Tschuss!
I will see if I can take it to a maschine shop and like you said see if they can make amends. I am a bit suprised that you have similar issues in Europe, being so close to Italy. And yes when I bought the bike I was aware that this might happen, part of the course like you said ... ; ) But when they do work, they are hard to beat ...
It is the Agostini system. Here is the link from AF1 Racing, not sponsored in any way, I have been using them for the past 2 years for my V85 and V7 as well, never any issues, highyly recommended. Agostini speak for themself ... =). www.af1racing.com/agostini-big-bore-header-pipes-flanges-y-pipe-set-amcollev100
@@ThatGermanFella Just checked this link and they say if ordered today, expect mid-March. I'm not in a big hurry as I won't be riding much for a couple of months here in Colorado, plus I want to research some more slip ons. I do like the sound of your Mistral set-up with these. Thanks.
Update: It only took 2 weeks after all to the new bracket in Italy, Good job Moto Guzzi.
Looking at the Stock vs Agostini System, the Bracket and bolt are load bearig due to the heavy catalytic converter, however with the lightweight Agostini Tubes, it is merly a place holder.
Therefore I decided to finish the system and do a leak check. No check engine light on start up and I will do a Sound video tomorrow. It sounds proper ...
Another observation, the Stock muffler connecting flange is only 3.8 centimeter vs 5 on the Mistral which results in a more finished look with the Mistral at the connecting flange.
Take the old braket to a machine shop. They'll help you out. Or better yet, they get the broken bolt out.
That bracket is totally fixable and reusable. The knowledge of the lead time of a replacement is only further incentive to fix rather than replacing it. Replicating it would be option two, but from what I can see in the video I would fix the existing one.
I will do just that and see what can be done as soon as I locate one.
I had the same problem on my V100 Mandello after only 900 miles, the day before a trip from the Isle of Man to Europe! The saving grace as you say is that the bracket can be removed, but this was also tricky due to the factory thread locker that was used on the mounting bolts. I managed to drill a hole through the sheared bolt and then using a stud removal tool. I used a shorter bolt as a replacement. The original bolt fitted at factory was too long (the sheared bolt head was still in place in the bushing on the exhaust) and the thread had presumably bottomed out in the bolt hole and must have sheared on being torqued up. It's an easy but very frustrating fix. There should be no need to order a new bracket. I have since done another 3000 miles across Europe and all is well.
Good to hear that you got it fixed. I don’t have the tools and even my triumph dealer gave up on it, so I am glad the new bracket came in rather quick. I am still thinking these are first year model gremlins as we are somewhat beta testers for MG. I am sure MG is paying attention “hopefully” and changes the materials used in the future model years.
I just found this video. That bolt from what I understand for the stock exhaust system isn't supposed to go in tight. It is supposed to bottom out and allow slack for the muffler/cat to expand and shrink with the heat. The loose fit allows for the expansion. There have been reports of some misalignment resulting in broken bolts. I believe there is a replacement bracket to cure the problem.So far no problem with mine.
The replacement bracket supplied by Moto Guzzi did not fit , so they did start altering them. I had to modify it to fit. So far it is holding up. I do keep an eye on it since it failed …
I have a 2004 Moto Guzzi California. I had to wait 6 months for rear shocks. I feel your pain. Now that I have my shocks I am happy as can be.
Glad to hear, but like you said, once they are up and running, mama mia! ... =)
A very simple, reverse direction cobalt drill bit, would extract that broken bolt in nothing flat. Just center punch the bolt head to keep the drill bit from walking, and start to drill. Within the first few millimeters of drilling, I’’m sure the drill will bite and the bolt will come out. I would probably even place the piece in a protective jaw vise, center punch the bolt head, heat it with a propane or MAPP gas torch, and then drill it right out. By now, I’m sure you got it already, but this is for anybody else who might experience the same issue.
Yes, I got the replacement bracket. I did give it to my Triumph dealer but the said they could not get it out. Not sure what that says about the dealer … lol
Glad to hear you bought this from AF1, other wise I'd have say nasty things about another MG aftermarket guy.
Which one are u talking about?
Im referring to todd at GTM and Guzzy Tech forum, he did me wrong on a kit I bought form his store.@@ThatGermanFella
As an American Guzzi owner I feel your pain. I think if you're going to own bikes from smaller, albeit famous, companies, you have to be prepared to improvise. I would echo other suggestions here that you just take the bracket to a shop, have them remove the broken bolt, which is a common task. Then go to a real hardware store used by tradesmen (not a home depot style) and get a grade 8 replacement bolt. Put your bike back together and enjoy. 😊 Then in 2 months when the parts come, you can replace them with new.
That is kinda what I did today ... ; ). I got knobby tires for my Scrambler today and asked the Triumph shop if they could remove it for me, they are working on it.
I feel you bro... Been thinking about replacing the exhaust system. Maybe I should hold off a bit ? Anyway, can't wait to hear your new one !
Go ahead, me replacing the exhaust has nothing to do with it. It was actually a good thing that I replaced it and stumbled over it, otherwise I would have kept riding, and it could have caused more damage with the system not being properly attached to the bike. If you want, easy to check, as long as you see a bolt sticking out of the bracket, you are good! ... ; )
I’m anxious to hear it too. I’m also curious about whether removing the cat will set off a check engine light. I don’t know if there are any oxygen sensors in the system.
@@larryechols6060 There's an oxygen sensor on each pipe. You can see it in the video just after the cylinders on the 2 pipes. Since there isn't an oxygen sensor after the catalytic converter, then perhaps the only thing to worry about is less backflow and running too rich/lean. Too lean and the engine could fail. Too rich and you waste a lot of gas and maybe cause longevity issues. I'm not a mechanic though so maybe I'm wrong.
@@larryechols6060 there are 1 sensor of each side of the header, you can see the black cable going to it in the video. Check enginelight should not come on but we will find out soon hopefully ... =)
@@ThatGermanFella
Yes, you’re teaching us something that I’m sure many will want to know about. I appreciate you sharing your experience.
Why don't you make a bracket? I fitted a Vance and Hines system to my Pan Am, it needed a support bracket at the back of the cat and the start of the new muffler connection pipe, quick trip to the hardware store, some work with a hacksaw and a long bolt with a spacer, and problem fixed.
I wanted to keep the factory part, turned out to be a good thing as the IMU of the Guzzi is rather “touchy” when it comes to vibrations and threw errors when I tried a temporary solution.
You could find a machinist who could make you a bracket in much less time.
Probably, but Moto Guzzi actually got it to me in 2 weeks, all good 👍.
I hope you'll get the part sooner than the 2 months. I've took my stock tail pipe off recently because I found it was misaligned pulling the foot peg mount out a fair bit and my side case was way to tight to slide in place. I've got a new Mistral Avion Gt on order. I'll be careful when I tighten it back up so not to stress that bolt sideways too much.
Considering I only have about 1000 miles on the bike, me thinks that bolt may be of poor material, something my dealer echoed when looking at it, unless it was over tighten from the factory, would not be a first … lol
A local engineer will be able to remove that in just a few minutes without damaging the thread. It is not that difficult...
I had my bike shop trying and they gave up … lol, luckily new bracket arrived much sooner.
I love the Guzzi V100.
It's a shame for the silly bracket issue maybe you should go round the dealer in the US and talk directly to Agostini dealer in Mandello del Lario...
Of all places, my Triumph dealer is trying to get the sheared off bolt out of the existing bracket… lol
@@ThatGermanFella i see
That's painful! At least you have the other bikes to enjoy. I have had some accessories for my scrambler be back-ordered for a while, but haven't heard of any replacement parts like that being unavailable.
Funny how that works, Like I mentioned I was litteraly going to trade my XSR today for another Italian, going to hold off ... ; ). I am putting off orad focused tires on the Scrambler, Triumph in general seems to be a bit better, the longest I had to wait so far was 2 weeks when the Trident needed a new seal on the shifter assembly.
I would have made the adapter myself from bent aluminum
Not sure if it would have flexed and caused the same vibration issues. The MG part is cast, very rigid, having no flex at all.
I got a two month timeline for a pair of handlebars I ordered and they were at my front door in 13 days. Hopefully you get lucky.
Let’s hope! … ;)
Yeah well that's life , sounds like they got the bolts mixed up , that bolt should not have sheared off.
It's a part( the bracket )that would not be ordered that often, if at all. So no surprise it's not in the country.
It's a shame you didn't notice it before pulling the exhaust off , the dealer would have to deal with it then.
Anyway life's good, the bike is beautiful.
I just feel sorry you have to go back to riding a Yamaha.......ok I'm joking.
haha, Yami does not have the soul for sure, but it works? ... lol My dealer was actually very good about it, ordered the new bracket on their own dime, said did not even want to deal with a warranty claim.
I think I'd be a lot more concerned by the hideous angle of the new headers pipes than the bracket.
Not sure what you are talking about, the whole system looks amazing to me but looks are in the eye of the beholder.
You think the situation would be different for a brand new model from any other manufacturer? Service and high turnover stuff will be stocked first, the rest of it later, if ever. It also doesn't look like something that would even slow me down much, never mind stop the job.
I have seen it go either way and I am just stating facts, not bashing MG. As for the job at hand, I did finish it and then went methodically at looking at it and coming to the conclusion that I can do without due to the light weight . Just took me a minute to get there and had a conversation with another viewer that coincidentally spoke to a Cali MG shop and they stated that the middle bracket is not needed. I just don’t rush, but thats just me.
Drill hole into the broken bolt and use Broken bolt extractor. 10 minutes of work, just be very careful not to drill into the bracket.
I have my Triumph shop doing it for me ... lol Hopefully get it back next week.
Honda parts have the same problem in Australia
Now that is a company that I would not expect these problems from but then again same company is starting to sell caruburated bikes here again in the USA ...
Don't worry, Guzzi belongs to Piaggio, same as Aprilia and they aren't capable to learn something about customer service.
I own 2 Aprilia and I love those bikes a lot but I would never buy again something from that company!
That is the part that is aggrevating, they make such great products but for some reason can't get the backend right ...
I would drill out the broken bolt.
If you don't have the skills to do by yourself, a good mechanic could solve it in 10 minutes!
Hope you come back to road in a short time
Working on it.
I’m purchasing a new V100S and this doesn’t help me feel good about it.
I am sorry. The bike itself is amazing and I am sure you will love it! The aftemarket parts catalog is slowly coming around as well. I am going to chalk this one up with first year model teething problems and not having a very big presence in the USA. I will still keep buying Moto Guzzi's despite, if that tells you anything.
@@ThatGermanFella I have taken a test ride and I’ve fallen in love with the bike and I’m going through with the purchase even though there’s only one dealership within a reasonable distance here in Virginia.
@@larryechols6060 same here, there is only one and the next one 250 miles away in Austin, whatever you do, keep a good relationship ... =)
@@ThatGermanFella
I’ll definitely do that, and thanks for the advice.
Moto Buzzi quality control!
I am going with teething problems on a first year model and not using the right strenght bolt/material, hopefully ...
These issues are quite common on all brands down here in New Zealand. Importers are all cheap cunts who consider holding stock as a dead money, so there is none in the country. I had to wait for a safety sticker (part of the recall) for my Yamaha Tracer for over a month!
For a sticker ... damn!
Sucks this kind of issues... Btw, how much does the stock system weight?
The Agostini is lighter for sure, but honestly the difference is not as much as I thought it would be. When I did the same on the V85, the difference was very noticable. On this one, I was was like, hmmm, not that bad weight wise. I get it it weighed when I get a chance.
An easy out will have that broken bolt out in 5 mins.
well crap. that s@cks. Anyway to order from a european dealer, instead of the manufacturer? Or just 3D print one, lol.
I may place a call to a Moto Guzzi dealer in Germany just to see. I will say my dealer here in Texas has been very good about it. I just brought the part in, they looked at it and said they did not even want to bother with a warranty claim and just ordered it for me at their own cost, Kudos!
is big bore the name brand or are you enlarging the bore?
It is from Agostini, they call it big bore, now that you mentioned it, I am going to look at the diameter and see if its actually bigger vs Stock.
Fix the bracket!?
working on it ...
Sadly, that's the joy of owning an Italian bike and it's worse with older models. Parts availability is no better in the UK, where I live, so I hope nothing breaks on my 11 year old Griso 1200 SE!
But you can get that bolt drilled out and the lug helicoiled, which will be a sound fix. Hope you're back on the V100 soon! Tschuss!
I will see if I can take it to a maschine shop and like you said see if they can make amends. I am a bit suprised that you have similar issues in Europe, being so close to Italy. And yes when I bought the bike I was aware that this might happen, part of the course like you said ... ; ) But when they do work, they are hard to beat ...
What is the unit to be installed? Link maybe.
It is the Agostini system. Here is the link from AF1 Racing, not sponsored in any way, I have been using them for the past 2 years for my V85 and V7 as well, never any issues, highyly recommended. Agostini speak for themself ... =). www.af1racing.com/agostini-big-bore-header-pipes-flanges-y-pipe-set-amcollev100
@@ThatGermanFella Just checked this link and they say if ordered today, expect mid-March. I'm not in a big hurry as I won't be riding much for a couple of months here in Colorado, plus I want to research some more slip ons. I do like the sound of your Mistral set-up with these. Thanks.
@@greg9076 I am about to post a ride video, should give you a better idea, it has stock vs Mistral
Drill the thing out your self ??????!!
I did not have the tools for it. Even my dealer who tried it gave up … lol