i've just purchased one of these as a spare NAS. I had an old Seagate Central NAS drive fail, that was 9 years old... i can't complain really but i don't intend to be in this position again in the future. hoping it'll run ok on one Ethernet port as my router only has 4 in total and i'll be maxed out when i add this.
You routinely mention fan filters, and I agree with you that they're great, but many NAS boxes with rear fans have exhaust fans, and filters are for air inlets. Is that the case here? Thanks greatly for showing us that it'll read 8 gb of RAM!
Be careful with max up RAM on Synology machines. When i used more GB then Synology recommend, i noticed, that new stored data was corrupted and have different hash from original source. I also tryied change RAM modules but everytime same result - different hash on stored files, but sometimes not. I went almost crazy, because too much data was corrupted, when i recognized this behavior. Then i went back to max recommended size of RAM and never ever this happening again. So, be aware of this.
@@petr-vavrik Many thanks Petr! I wondered if using more than the authorized amount of RAM would cause any issues. I'm surprised that Lon didn't check for this... a NAS machine is the LAST place I want data corruption, so I will only be using the authorized amount! __:o)___
I see the main use for small SSD NAS boxes like these being video professionals who need to take this on the road with them. That means it would most likely be connected to a laptop, and most lightweight laptops these days, the MacBooks for instance, don't even have a 1Gb LAN port. QNAP has a few with Thunderbolt 3 network interfaces, so I think that would be the better option for a NAS such as this. Leave the two LAN ports as is and add a Thunderbolt 3 network interface that you could get all the performance you need with a simple direct connection to a laptop.
10 Gbit would be nice if several people accessing the device. If 10 - 15 people transferring files at the same time it would take forever on a 1 Gbit connection.. It would be ok If it's small files like documents.
Don’t know why Synology only insist on 1Gb Ethernet @ 125MB/s. They then advertise you use fast SSD @ 520MB/s and RAID SSD’s which require 10GbE Ethernet @ 1250MB/s
2.5" drives come in two thicknesses -- 7mm and 14mm. Standard laptop HDDs and SSDs are 7mm, but you can find the latter in portable bus-powered drives, which run up to 4TBs, and the WD variety is frequently on sale for $90. (In my final Windows Media Center PC build, I crammed a pair of shucked, "fat" 4TB WD portable drives into a mini-ITX case.) It's unclear how much space there is between those drive trays, but if you could fit even three or four of those in this thing, it might be worth the price for people who need redundant storage on the go.
thank you for always doing such clear and comprehensive reviews. i was really interested in this model and impressed that even VMs run ok, but the Gb LAN limit is a dealbreaker. have you considered using a USB 3.0 wifi adapter for slightly higher speeds? is it possible? there are several models claiming theoretical speeds of 1900Mbits/s, almost double that of the wired LAN. its a bit hacky but it could rescue this otherwise interesting device.
I have it on my list of things to check out. Apparently there's a driver out there that can be installed through a manual process for 2.5 gigabit adapters. But I'm not sure how stable that might be for a mission critical application.
I found that I end up just playing the video files "as is", rather than using Plex, because I don't want an extra layer of possible degradation. The file "as is", is as original as it can be... so right now when I think about DS923+ or DS1522+, I am thinking do I need them, but just go with DS620slim. One thing about DS620slim, $449 + $119 x 6 = $1163 for 6TB, rather than DS923+ $599 + 269 x 4 = $1675 for 8TB... (both using RAID 10, so capacity is halved). I don't want to spend closer to $2000 for a NAS (after tax)... $1000 is about right
Hello Lon. You always have a great review on your channel. You're one of my go to when watching tech reviews. Keep up the good work. Just wondering, what can you recommend as a cloud storage (NAS) so I can replace my onedrive subscription. Best value for the money (under 1k including the drives). Thanks
Which one should I get, a Ds720+ or ds620slim? I'll primarily be using SSD as I only need 100GB of storage, is there any benefit of the 6 bay structure?
Great video, Lon. I could be totally wrong about this so I apologize if this is a dumb question, but is it possible to convert to 10 gig since this model doesn't have it instead of buying one that has it? Or do they have converters like that?
does this support the seagate exos 18 tb drives???? sata 3 compatible????? can u find out if it supports these drives???? thanks....... get back to me as soon as u can thanks..........
A point of interest maybe, another (German) channel mentioned not all SSD's can be used due to power limitations: ua-cam.com/video/rM2osxU7ACA/v-deo.html Only 5 volt SSD's (and HDD's???) are supported and not 12 volt versions (with larger capacity). I like the form factor of this NAS but it comes with the cost off an external power supply I guess. Nice to see that consumer NAS devices with the focus on SSD's are coming available.
The TWO Ethernet ports allow to double the speed by combining both ports as-if one. How? Simply by using a ROUTER that supports this, e.g Night Hawk 10 that also has 2 special ports (among others) that are marked as aggregate ports. Using regular cables, simply plug both ports between router and nas, and you automatically get 2gb instead of 1.
nat101yt not necessarily that simple. The two ethernet ports themselves must support nic teaming in order to take advantage of link aggregation on the router.
@@eddiewalker9415 The DS620 supports it! I couldn't think for any other real reason for the 2 ports. So I checked: www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS620slim#specs
That’s good news that you verified nic teaming on this device and your router recognizes it in link aggregation. But for peer to peer connection it would have been better if this device simply had either a usb-c gen 2 or full Thunderbolt 3 connection. For the price and portability that option should have been included.
Thank you for this review! ✊ Can you confirm that you are in fact able to utilize the whole 8GB? It seems strange that they mention 6GB in every place as max. What’s up with that?
Be careful with max up RAM on Synology machines. When i used more GB then Synology recommended, i noticed, that new stored data was corrupted and have different hash from original source. I also tryied change RAM modules but everytime same result - different hash on stored files, but sometimes not. I went almost crazy, because too much data i lost, when i recognized this behavior. Then i went back to max recommended size of RAM and never ever this happening again. So, be aware of this.
Kind of pointless without 10 gig ethernet. Most people will put SSDs in something like this but you can’t even take advantage of the added speed of SSDs.
I'm a bit confused with your statement that the internal speed would benefit from a 10GB connection. The internal speeds you displayed were far below a 1GB
You can make a pretty sweet FreeNAS machine for that price. I'm not sure if this is worth it. I think what you're really paying for is the OS. Now the question is. Is the Synology OS better than FreeNAS OS?
If you want to go really cheap: Get yourself a used desktop / tower that just come off lease and throw in three 1TB drives and a boot / flash / thumb-drive and install FreeNAS - I have an 3 x 2TB one in my basement with 32Gb memory for under 800 bucks - most of the hardware is bought used. Remember to have at least one spare drive on the shelf as they like to fail when all stores are closed (except Amazon of course). Also remember that everything takes power and sucks in dust, so maintenance is key as well.
If you need something portable, it makes sense. However, any $300 system will do better than this if you install a NAS program manually. $200-300 Synology units are price competitive. This one is definitely NOT.
Simplicity. Synology is known for its easy to use but expansive software and Qnaps is know for it's raw performance hardware. Free NAS is always the better option but involves a lot of maintenance with constant monitoring. Also it involves a lot of knowledge and setup time to make a Free NAS box run the way a user wants it to where as a Synology/Qnaps box will have the user up and running within an hour at most without any of the experience of knowing how to manage a NAS. Then there is the wattage efficiency issue along with company backed support of the software and hardware. You are basically on your own when something goes wrong with your FreeNAS setup. There's even a Synology hack community that adds to the support of pushing their NAS to do a lot beyond it's intended usage. The community even hacked the Synology operating system to run on user build hardware similar to what Free Nas does.
I posted a video I made on this topic a little while ago. It really comes down to what you're in the business of doing. I no longer have time to maintain a lot of things like this - yes you pay more but it's supported for a long period of time. My nearly 5 year old DS415+ is still being supported with frequent updates and some very significant new features added over its life.
Synology DSM supports Ups backup which kind of takes redundancy as an alternative. Their products are geared to home / small office that don't need a fully managed server. Redundancy for a unit like this is like saying too bad that building doesn't have a backup generator in case of a power outage.
If you want over 120MB/s to a single client link aggregation will not work. But if you change the config file on Synology you can enable SMB multichannel, then you can get 240MB/s and you don't need a fancy managed switch. You just need a 2 port NIC in your pc.
@@coolfrost6 Great tip! SMB is the way to go. I was just wondering if this device supports link aggregation since Lon didn't mention it when talking about not having 10gbe. I'm assuming those who have a switch or a router that supports LA would want to know since it would be better to have that over just 1gbe.
@@riopato2009 I would imagine that it has link aggregation, a far as I know all multiport ethernet Synology devices support link aggregation. The annoying thing is that since multichannel on Synology is still an experimental feature you have to enable it in a hidden config file. And since many Synology devices have 2 and 4 ports I feel like they leave a lot of potential speed on the table by not enabling multichannel.
---- If you are little tech-savvy, 1. Buy 1-bay diskless NAS device at under $100. 2. Buy a 10TB WD Easystore from Bestbuy at $160-180. 3. Shuck the drive and put it into the NAS. Done! ----- If you don't want to shuck, there is an easier solution. 1. Buy a small used NAS device like WD MyCloud 2TB at under $100. 2. Buy a 10TB WD Easystore from Bestbuy at $160-180. 3. Connect the Easystore to the USB port of the NAS. Done! ---- Do you know that the Easystore has Helium-filled HGST drive? It's one of the best reliable hard drive in the world.
i've just purchased one of these as a spare NAS. I had an old Seagate Central NAS drive fail, that was 9 years old... i can't complain really but i don't intend to be in this position again in the future. hoping it'll run ok on one Ethernet port as my router only has 4 in total and i'll be maxed out when i add this.
Synology could have had a big hit with this unit, except for the gimp network ports. It's a headscratcher for sure.
Comprehensive review. Thank you.
You routinely mention fan filters, and I agree with you that they're great, but many NAS boxes with rear fans have exhaust fans, and filters are for air inlets. Is that the case here? Thanks greatly for showing us that it'll read 8 gb of RAM!
Be careful with max up RAM on Synology machines.
When i used more GB then Synology recommend, i noticed, that new stored data was corrupted and have different hash from original source.
I also tryied change RAM modules but everytime same result - different hash on stored files, but sometimes not.
I went almost crazy, because too much data was corrupted, when i recognized this behavior.
Then i went back to max recommended size of RAM and never ever this happening again.
So, be aware of this.
@@petr-vavrik Many thanks Petr! I wondered if using more than the authorized amount of RAM would cause any issues. I'm surprised that Lon didn't check for this... a NAS machine is the LAST place I want data corruption, so I will only be using the authorized amount! __:o)___
Thanks for the video. But you failed to mention that this unit does support LAN aggregation. It's not much but will at least double your throughput.
I see the main use for small SSD NAS boxes like these being video professionals who need to take this on the road with them. That means it would most likely be connected to a laptop, and most lightweight laptops these days, the MacBooks for instance, don't even have a 1Gb LAN port. QNAP has a few with Thunderbolt 3 network interfaces, so I think that would be the better option for a NAS such as this. Leave the two LAN ports as is and add a Thunderbolt 3 network interface that you could get all the performance you need with a simple direct connection to a laptop.
10 Gbit would be nice if several people accessing the device. If 10 - 15 people transferring files at the same time it would take forever on a 1 Gbit connection.. It would be ok If it's small files like documents.
Don’t know why Synology only insist on 1Gb Ethernet @ 125MB/s. They then advertise you use fast SSD @ 520MB/s and RAID SSD’s which require 10GbE Ethernet @ 1250MB/s
Great review and thorough assessment.
2.5" drives come in two thicknesses -- 7mm and 14mm. Standard laptop HDDs and SSDs are 7mm, but you can find the latter in portable bus-powered drives, which run up to 4TBs, and the WD variety is frequently on sale for $90. (In my final Windows Media Center PC build, I crammed a pair of shucked, "fat" 4TB WD portable drives into a mini-ITX case.) It's unclear how much space there is between those drive trays, but if you could fit even three or four of those in this thing, it might be worth the price for people who need redundant storage on the go.
Actually it fits the 5TB 15mm 2.5" Seagate drives, so you could have 25TB with 1 drive failover on that small box.
Loved your Detailed Review ..🙌
Hello! Will the fan turn on if all six bays have SSD drives? Or if I will be using only two SSD drives and the rest of the bays are empty?
thank you for always doing such clear and comprehensive reviews. i was really interested in this model and impressed that even VMs run ok, but the Gb LAN limit is a dealbreaker.
have you considered using a USB 3.0 wifi adapter for slightly higher speeds? is it possible? there are several models claiming theoretical speeds of 1900Mbits/s, almost double that of the wired LAN. its a bit hacky but it could rescue this otherwise interesting device.
I have it on my list of things to check out. Apparently there's a driver out there that can be installed through a manual process for 2.5 gigabit adapters. But I'm not sure how stable that might be for a mission critical application.
I found that I end up just playing the video files "as is", rather than using Plex, because I don't want an extra layer of possible degradation. The file "as is", is as original as it can be... so right now when I think about DS923+ or DS1522+, I am thinking do I need them, but just go with DS620slim. One thing about DS620slim, $449 + $119 x 6 = $1163 for 6TB, rather than DS923+ $599 + 269 x 4 = $1675 for 8TB... (both using RAID 10, so capacity is halved). I don't want to spend closer to $2000 for a NAS (after tax)... $1000 is about right
Great review and very informative. But the Apple IIgs in the back beats everything. :-)
Hello Lon. You always have a great review on your channel. You're one of my go to when watching tech reviews. Keep up the good work.
Just wondering, what can you recommend as a cloud storage (NAS) so I can replace my onedrive subscription. Best value for the money (under 1k including the drives).
Thanks
I would say any Intel powered Synology device is a good way to go.
Any specific model/s?
And by the way, I never use a NAS before and I'm wondering if I can edit/work on a file (Photoshop, Illustrator, premiere, etc) directly from the NAS?
I was excited to see this little box until I saw it’s only 1Gb Ethernet. I’ll wait for the second iteration which hopefully has 10GbE
Yeah 10GbE would make a huge difference here.
Lon.TV There’s not even two way USB 3.1 Gen 2 so I could use it as a DAS device.
Hey Lon
Are there any Synology Nas that are 10GB other than the Rack mount?
regards, Rick
Yeah it's pricey, well done review as always Lon. I like the other N.A.S. you showed with the larger drives.
Which one should I get, a Ds720+ or ds620slim? I'll primarily be using SSD as I only need 100GB of storage, is there any benefit of the 6 bay structure?
Great video, Lon. I could be totally wrong about this so I apologize if this is a dumb question, but is it possible to convert to 10 gig since this model doesn't have it instead of buying one that has it? Or do they have converters like that?
No.
It’s possible in the future there will be USB adapters but you won’t be able to hit the full speed
does this support the seagate exos 18 tb drives???? sata 3 compatible????? can u find out if it supports these drives???? thanks....... get back to me as soon as u can thanks..........
That was a huge miss with the no 10 GIG on synology... why create an SSD NAS enclosure without 10 G i mean.. come on
Qnap do a USB /5GbE ethernet adapter...
Slightly hot audio levels?
where can i buy one of these cheap or second hand??? thanks....... please let me know thanks......
A point of interest maybe, another (German) channel mentioned not all SSD's can be used due to power limitations: ua-cam.com/video/rM2osxU7ACA/v-deo.html
Only 5 volt SSD's (and HDD's???) are supported and not 12 volt versions (with larger capacity).
I like the form factor of this NAS but it comes with the cost off an external power supply I guess.
Nice to see that consumer NAS devices with the focus on SSD's are coming available.
When Synology will release DS920+?
The TWO Ethernet ports allow to double the speed by combining both ports as-if one. How? Simply by using a ROUTER that supports this, e.g Night Hawk 10 that also has 2 special ports (among others) that are marked as aggregate ports. Using regular cables, simply plug both ports between router and nas, and you automatically get 2gb instead of 1.
nat101yt not necessarily that simple. The two ethernet ports themselves must support nic teaming in order to take advantage of link aggregation on the router.
@@eddiewalker9415 The DS620 supports it! I couldn't think for any other real reason for the 2 ports. So I checked: www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS620slim#specs
That’s good news that you verified nic teaming on this device and your router recognizes it in link aggregation. But for peer to peer connection it would have been better if this device simply had either a usb-c gen 2 or full Thunderbolt 3 connection. For the price and portability that option should have been included.
Nice NASS!
Thank you for this review! ✊
Can you confirm that you are in fact able to utilize the whole 8GB? It seems strange that they mention 6GB in every place as max. What’s up with that?
Be careful with max up RAM on Synology machines.
When i used more GB then Synology recommended, i noticed, that new stored data was corrupted and have different hash from original source.
I also tryied change RAM modules but everytime same result - different hash on stored files, but sometimes not.
I went almost crazy, because too much data i lost, when i recognized this behavior.
Then i went back to max recommended size of RAM and never ever this happening again.
So, be aware of this.
Kind of pointless without 10 gig ethernet. Most people will put SSDs in something like this but you can’t even take advantage of the added speed of SSDs.
I'm a bit confused with your statement that the internal speed would benefit from a 10GB connection. The internal speeds you displayed were far below a 1GB
Gigabit - not gigabyte.
You can make a pretty sweet FreeNAS machine for that price. I'm not sure if this is worth it. I think what you're really paying for is the OS. Now the question is. Is the Synology OS better than FreeNAS OS?
LMAO just noticed Patrick Stewart
$449 3 years ago? Weird rip off. It's $579 right now on amazon.
too pricy, and not really saving that much space physically if you think about it
make a vid .. for new smallest pc ... nice vid ... 👍
So cute
model with rate at minimum cameras i.e 4 cameras
Back up your Distros!
Cost too much for it, I want a cheaper one
If you want to go really cheap: Get yourself a used desktop / tower that just come off lease and throw in three 1TB drives and a boot / flash / thumb-drive and install FreeNAS - I have an 3 x 2TB one in my basement with 32Gb memory for under 800 bucks - most of the hardware is bought used. Remember to have at least one spare drive on the shelf as they like to fail when all stores are closed (except Amazon of course). Also remember that everything takes power and sucks in dust, so maintenance is key as well.
If you need something portable, it makes sense. However, any $300 system will do better than this if you install a NAS program manually. $200-300 Synology units are price competitive. This one is definitely NOT.
Why not just build a Mini ITX computer and put Free NAS on it for way more powerful NAS?
I could not agree more. This is a waste of money
ua-cam.com/video/nWMI0ms8etU/v-deo.html
Simplicity. Synology is known for its easy to use but expansive software and Qnaps is know for it's raw performance hardware.
Free NAS is always the better option but involves a lot of maintenance with constant monitoring. Also it involves a lot of knowledge and setup time to make a Free NAS box run the way a user wants it to where as a Synology/Qnaps box will have the user up and running within an hour at most without any of the experience of knowing how to manage a NAS.
Then there is the wattage efficiency issue along with company backed support of the software and hardware. You are basically on your own when something goes wrong with your FreeNAS setup. There's even a Synology hack community that adds to the support of pushing their NAS to do a lot beyond it's intended usage. The community even hacked the Synology operating system to run on user build hardware similar to what Free Nas does.
I posted a video I made on this topic a little while ago. It really comes down to what you're in the business of doing. I no longer have time to maintain a lot of things like this - yes you pay more but it's supported for a long period of time. My nearly 5 year old DS415+ is still being supported with frequent updates and some very significant new features added over its life.
@@riopato2009 I agree, the small bookcase size and low power are the main advantages for home use.
Too bad there is no redundancy on the power, I guess everything has a price...
Synology DSM supports Ups backup which kind of takes redundancy as an alternative. Their products are geared to home / small office that don't need a fully managed server. Redundancy for a unit like this is like saying too bad that building doesn't have a backup generator in case of a power outage.
Doesn't the two ethernet ports support link aggregation? It won't be 10gbe but 2gbe would be just as good.
If you want over 120MB/s to a single client link aggregation will not work. But if you change the config file on Synology you can enable SMB multichannel, then you can get 240MB/s and you don't need a fancy managed switch. You just need a 2 port NIC in your pc.
@@coolfrost6 Great tip! SMB is the way to go. I was just wondering if this device supports link aggregation since Lon didn't mention it when talking about not having 10gbe. I'm assuming those who have a switch or a router that supports LA would want to know since it would be better to have that over just 1gbe.
@@riopato2009 I would imagine that it has link aggregation, a far as I know all multiport ethernet Synology devices support link aggregation. The annoying thing is that since multichannel on Synology is still an experimental feature you have to enable it in a hidden config file. And since many Synology devices have 2 and 4 ports I feel like they leave a lot of potential speed on the table by not enabling multichannel.
I want a NAS to store my porn what's the best drives to get
If I had a dollar for every time this question was asked ... :)
Who downloads porn these days..?!
---- If you are little tech-savvy,
1. Buy 1-bay diskless NAS device at under $100.
2. Buy a 10TB WD Easystore from Bestbuy at $160-180.
3. Shuck the drive and put it into the NAS. Done!
----- If you don't want to shuck, there is an easier solution.
1. Buy a small used NAS device like WD MyCloud 2TB at under $100.
2. Buy a 10TB WD Easystore from Bestbuy at $160-180.
3. Connect the Easystore to the USB port of the NAS. Done!
---- Do you know that the Easystore has Helium-filled HGST drive? It's one of the best reliable hard drive in the world.
WD RED LOL...
only 1Gbit connection ... FAIL!
When will Kalyan Kumar end his support
Shut of hardware transcode and compare CPU use without.
I dont really see any value in that unit