Stupid Fast Multi-Editor NAS - TVS-872XT 6-Month Review
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2019
- Want to connect up to 5 video editors at 3300MB/s with 112TB of storage for 1/3 of the Jellyfish? Done!
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Only one thing that matters, you are not an IT Professional, you are stupid, not the NAS.
I watched the whole video. I have thought about getting one. But since my computer died. My first Christmas gift to myself. Will be to get a new PC. But once I'm up & running. When I get one. I will use your link below. To help the Channel out. Once again thanks you.
Max Yuryev hopefully those seagate drives last longer than a year .
As a Synology user, and fan of build-yourself NAS, this is a great video that should help many SMBs to find a good storage solution. QNAP has great features, especially hardware, at a great value over NAS enclosure competitors. But Synology offers BTRFS and SHR, which can greatly reduce space used in a RAID, increase data reliability, and allow you to easily grow storage/speed by simply adding larger drives. As far as I've researched, QNAP does not offer these. Would you mind sharing your thoughts on why you didn't choose Synology? Or if you've had experience, why QNAP is better? - Thank you !
Amazing video Max and team! Extremely well done and super useful for us smaller team media production companies--thanks!!!
Wow. This is the most informative review I've ever watched on youtube and I've been around since it started. Hits on everything I wanted to know (maybe a BIT more on noise levels but that's a personal pet peeve of mine) and is well produced, clearly articulated and relevant. Superb. Thank you so much for taking the time to make this. Will be using your links to say thanks.
This is one of the best, most in-depth reviews I've ever seen on UA-cam. As a small business owner looking for precisely this type of solution for my team, I really appreciate how well-done this was!
Thanks for putting the time in on this Max - it is appreciated. I have been running the 6 Bay for a similar period and I would echo everything you have said for the 8 Bay. With this and my other NASs I have been using a lot of Ironwolf 10TB (not Pro) drives and they have proved more reliable so far than the WD Reds I used before. I have had only one report errors and Seagate swapped it under warranty. The procedure for this is very good and it is well worth registering all your drives with them. It's tricky to spec drives just because there are so many options. If you have the budget, then maxing out the chassis with the best drives like you did gives the best speed, capacity and robustness. If you don't, then you have to compromise on one or more of those things. I have tended to compromise a little on each. Five drives seems a decent starting point for RAID5 with the larger Ironwolves. I use the 10TB because it gave me the best TB/£ at the time - but that's always changing. The main downside of adding capacity peicemeal later is that all expansions at the these capacities levels take an age and thrash the disks while they shift stuff round. I would advise prospective purchasers from going for too low a capacity drive in search of speed though. Firstly, the smaller drives don't always have the same single disk speed as the larger ones. Check the specs and reviews carefully. The other is that you always end up using more capacity than you ever thought you would need. Did you ever think you would own 100TB of storage? I didn't till it happened. The only practical ways to upgrade a RAID once it is full is to start again or start another one.
One of those other NASs is a 1282T3 and I think the x72XT is the better option for editors due to the lower cost and better aligned feature set. I use the QNAP 10GBE switch as I had some non-thunderbolt stuff to include in the network. I only recall powering it up and plugging the cables into it. If there is a complicated set-up to do, I should have read the manual :S
Thanks Max! After seeing your earlier reviews, we purchased and just finished setting up a 6-bay QNAP TVS-672. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences over the last 6 months. Greatly appreciated.
Hi Bob, we're just looking at the 6-bay versus 8-bay 872XT, now that you've had your 672XT for a year, how is it working out for you? And how many consecutive video editors do you have accessing this setup?
@@flip.design the NAS has improved our workflow - making it easy to access all of our files from any of our network connected devices (including smart phones). For video editing, we use a single desktop computer connected to the NAS via the lightning-3 connection. So, we have not tested more than one simultaneous video editor.
This is still the best UA-cam Channel that I am subscribed to! Thank you for so much for all the useful content!
Loved this video mate 👍🏻 Been eyeing off QNAP NASes for a while now and their Thunderbolt connection ability is especially awesome! Great run-through of your setup and explaining your decisions around HDD/SSD selection 😉
Dude, thanks for this. I'm going through UA-camr team growing pains and this is exactly what we need!
SUPER USEFUL VIDEO, MAX! GREAT GREAT JOB AND THANK YOU VERY MUCHHH!
Max you provide so much value in your videos it’s insane. Thank you so much
Such an epic breakdown! Thanks for being so committed to the quality of your content! :)
Thanks Max! Super helpful video. I ordered the tour bay version so this will be perfect to help me set it up.
I am so so SO thankful that you did this in-depth review of this device and how you were able to configure it to achieve stupid fast speeds. I definitely feel like I owe you. You better believe I'm going to use those affiliate links. THANK YOU!
Amazing Video Max! I am loving my QNAP too! Thanks for helping me along the way!
Simply the most concretely informative video about 10gbe video editing! I hope I came across it sooner so that I could have saved lots of wasted time watching those who came to this free plaza to talk about something that they don’t really know well. Thank you so much!
Thank you, Max. Our team were looking for a NAS solution and your previous video helped us make the decision to go with a QNAP similar to yours. We have up to 6 people connected at any time, including up to 4 editors. Our unit has 4x Thunderbolt connectors and we find it can be unreliable with more than 1 computer connected. However the 1Gbe connections are plenty enough for editing even 4K Red Raw footage.
So much great info, very helpful!
This needs more deep class class, please
Made it start to finish! Thanks for the amazing in-depth research
What a great video. For people shopping for a video optimized NAS solution, I have yet to come across a more informative video. Plus I'm sold. I'm gonna recommend this setup to my client (or whatever the latest version of this hardware is). Looking forward to seeing what other content you put up. Cheers.
Thank you for the incredible effort that went into producing a video with such clear and useful information!
Excellent work on this review Max - invaluable to a lot of people! Thanks so much for doing it!
Thanks Max! Followed this video closely for my own similar setup. Really appreciate the attention to detail.
Max, great video! I have been wanting to upgrade my older QNAP 6 bay to this model for quite a while! It's definitely on my list of next-gen hardware to upgrade to! Price for performance is fantastic! 10 Gig Ethernet and Thunderbolt 3 interface and the use of RAID 6 iSCSI NTFS full GPT volumes on windows for me provides redundancy and reliability and Speed! The QNAP is essentially a hardened Linux machine which means a lot of fine grained manual control as well. Mulitple ways of setting up this beast to do what you need it to.
Great review. I have the TVS1282T and I absolutely love it. Best thing about it is that I have my DaVinci Resolve database setup on the QNAP and all my editors and colorist are able to use the collaboration feature in Resolve. Best money I've spent in the pass 3 years.
This has been very helpful. I would love to have one. But for myself I would use a 4 bay. Just for photos, & games that I play. You sir have a new subscriber. Keep up the great work.
man..
This was a GREAT video !
One can see it was a lot of work...and also it puts out a lot of data & knowledge, in a short burst !
thanks very much for this.
i’m still in the absorbing phase..trying to get an idea of what system i should go for, and this was a great way to get a general idea..as it really seems one should only get 10GbE in order to save in he long run.
(or if doing overkill high res work)
Again.., thanks !
much appreciated this.
cheers from Portugal, and happy holiday season ;)
Great video. The information was valuable. Been considering a QNAP for a while, but now all that I've seen seems to be verify what I suspected. Thank you.
Thank you Max for this entire video - it is unbelievably helpful!!!
Really great video and I brought the 8 bays model after that, I put 8 x HGST HE10 8TB(RAID 6) and 2 x 970 EVO Plus 1TB(RAID 1) together as a QNAP Tier volume, connected with my iMac via 10GbE, thanks for your effort and that's a really great NAS.
I am not buying any new NAS after the Icy Box 4 tray. I know what future awaits NAS devices and that is burial by powerful processors.
What speeds were you getting with you setup on t3 and gigabit?
@@storycabinweddingfilms How about you?
More videos like this please! A long term update of this setup would be nice.
Best TVS-872XT video so far. Good work!
Perfectly detailed, yet not boring.. well done 👍
I have watched thousands of UA-cam videos as this is the first comment ever. FANTASTIC video, direct and to the point with hard data!!!
THANK YOU!!!
Thank you! Very Helpful. Ive been considering getting these but was looking for a better video.
Watched the whole video & it's so helpful man!! Thanks for sharing all this info!! Appreciate you!
Awesome video. I know how much effort goes into making videos like these. So I really appreciate you for that.
Thanks so much for all your hard work and for going so in depth with these Snap Reviews. You really do a good job. More info than anyone else provides. Now I'm just trying to decided between the Smaller more affordable one or this one which hurts my pockets but ,ay be worth it for the long run....How Hard Is it to Move everything over from the TS-453BT3 to this one if I needed to Upgrade for more Storage down the road??????? Thanks again. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for all the hard work here on the video and suggestions. I've watched this video now about 3 times now to make sure I set my QNAP672XT SSD cache correcting for editing 4k over a thunderbolt 3 connection on a 2020 iMac. now its time to do my speed test!!
what are you getting @Dudley Edmondson?
@@deesto I bought the 672XT and put 3 10TB seagate drives in and two 1TB flash memory and set them up for READ ONLY. It works great
@@fitguy49 I'm glad it is working great for you. However, I was asking what SPEEDs are you getting in your disk speed test? Both on TB3 connection, and 10Gbe if you use that?
This review is a damn encyclopedia of info. Thank you.
I got a lot of value out of this video, thank you Max!
unbelievably helpful and detailed. thanks so much dude!
After a well done and informative video like this... how can they give you thumbs down is really a mystery.
wow, I learned a lot from watching this video about your experience with NAS. I don't think I will ever be in your shoes using tech for your job, but I find this video intriguing nonetheless.
Best video I've seen for the TVS-872XT!
Very thorough review, even though i prob just going to get the cheaper 453 4 bay that you reviewed earlier. Thx max. Larry
Amazing video! 👏 Really helpful in considering a jump into the world of NAS...
Thank you for taking the time to reach out to other creatives and share the information about these raids. I understood everything you said... by the way what kind of a cable is best for thunderbolt 2?
Hardcore review!! Thank you for posting 🙌🏾
For me - this is your BEST EVER review! I currently have an iMac PRO and a Promise Pegasus 6 bay TB3 enclosure and a Synology 13 bay NAS. All drives are 4 TB. Your QNAP is very interesting and relevant for me to set my future upgrade path. THANKS for making this video.
This was an amazing review! Thank you!
I like the thunderbolt, seems a good option for transfering to and from an MBP
Holly cow... this thing is so loaded for a 3yo unit. WOW. Great video, thankyou.
That’s FAST! I recently made a video on modding my Synology DS918+ to 5GbE and it works great but when I eventually outgrow it I'll probably go to something like this.
I didn't know I could do direct internet file sharing from the QNAP file Manager. Great tip, and thanks! :D (and I'm running a TS853A)
Extremely helpful Max - thank you!!
Thanks for your time, great review man
Thank you so much!!! Just ordered one using your link.
All of your reviews are the beat on UA-cam! Thank you! If you are offsite and have fiber 1000mbps internet connection could you edit from the nas from internet connection?
Great video. I like detailed content, as then I can actually learn something new ;)
Great video! Just curious, do you have any info on your studio setup? Especially the lighting and camera? The video looks super professional! Thanks & Happy Holidays!
Professional editor. I love this video. Watched it many times, and I just got an 872XT myself for WFH editing.
I would love to see a video of how your editors actually organize and connect to it though, on a Mac Finder level. Does each editor on your team have their own login? Is there a single login you've given everyone? What are their read/write permissions? Did you set up a Shared folder? Etc.
Basically, what does it look like on a user's end?
Read up on the instruction guide within QNAP or qnap’s site.
Also u can research on each user privileges that would give you a better idea.
I think each editor having their own login access to their own folder would be better with a common folder access allowed for all editors to get common files like effects, sound, animation, logo etc.
But project wise setting it as a folder basis per editor should be best.
And the boss having full permission to all folders is the way I would set up.
Thanks max it’s amazing review 👏👍
NAP 10G thunderbolt adapter(Awaiting your review on this). I have a direct connect to a Microtik CRS305-1G-4S+1N 4 por t10G switch for about $209 using a Mellanox DAC Cable thanks to the 332X having a 10G SFP+ cage on its back. Perfect setup for a small network, Gives me 890% of the capability of the 872 for 1/4 of the price. and i duplicated the setup for the back.
20:20 this is where I found helpful. Thanks for the tip!
Fantastic video, Max. One question: if 10Gb Ethernet maxes out at ~1000MB/s and Thunderbolt3 at around 1500MB/s how are you measuring / taking advantage of the 2700-3300MB/s transfer speeds you quote at various points in the video?
That’s what I said. I smell BS
I think it's because you may utilise all ports at once. So, both TB3, 10 GbE and 1 GbE ports all at once (for multi user scenarios). That's why Max mentioned that for up to 3 users you probably won't need SSD caching.
Great review, very helpful, thanks!
Thank you for the great review.
Love the specs of the device, hope you have no issues with the drives. My personal experience with ironwolf drive are not positive...
very comprehensive, on all levels!!
Max - Thanks for this video and level of detail. I appreciate all of your time you've invested in producing this video. I have the same model here that just arrived in the past week - and it's not been a good experience. I've only populated it with two of the same Ironwolf Pro drives - and chose raid 1 mirroring. It worked fine for a couple of days. I had some periods where it wanted to resync repeatedly. But I thought all was good and last night it started booting over and over. It's now sitting there non functional with system rebooting >>> on the lcd display. QNAP support has only suggested to send logs. Which is not possible when it's down. QNAP is so slow at responding that I may end up sending it back to Amazon. Amazon Prime offers support as well but they just contact QNAP using the same phone number. And they had no luck either. So I have a dead NAS for $1800 not including drives. And no good place to get support. Was wondering if you or anyone has advice. Thanks, Denny
FANTASTIC AS ALWAYS MAX! Do you have a video with all the workflow that you use for the complete back up and archive of your data?
Thanks in advance and sorry for my Egnlish; i'm still learning
Have a Productive and Healthy Day!
What UPS do you guys use for this? And what can you recommend?
Fantastic review
Hey @Max Yuryev! I watched this awesome video multiple times before actually purchasing this unit, and used your links to click through to buy on Amazon. Hope you got some affiliate money out of it! Thanks for the great production value as well!! Quick question, it looks like you didn't install the provided heatsinks on the 970 EVO Plus NVMe's. From my research, it says heatsinks aren't needed for these drives. Am I right? Necessary or unnecessary? Thanks!
Thanks for your thorough explanation of this product. I am only a single user wanting to take advantage of a NAS for (1) large storage for local video edits and (2) OTG access. I currently have QNAP TVS-951X with built-in 10GbE to use as a DAS through TB3 to 10Gbe with OWC's converter adapter. Being adjacent to my desk noise is an issue for me. This 872XT model, with all those fans whirring in close proximity, seems that most likely it will be an irritation factor. You mentioned the TVS-472XT as an alternative. I plan on using my NAS with the new MacMini with M1 silicon. Thunderbolt support in a NAS for direct TB3 to TB3 would be nice. Perhaps I should just wait a while longer for Thunderbolt4/USB4 to propagate into NAS devices? Except for the slight hard disk noise, the TVS-951X is fairly quiet having only one large fan, but lacks TB3 support, expansion slots to enable TB3, and is only a dual-core processor. Thanks.
Very informative. Much appreciated.
Extremely helpful, thank you !!!!
Cool I was using my nas as a passthrough for 10gb networking and it would disconnect from time to time and mostly when I would have large loads. Clearly, this is a software issue that QNap needs to address as I was sick of disconnecting and connecting my iMac and moved my nas to the server room.
14:38 ... You said Samsung Extreme =) It's a combo of samsung and sandisk? hahah great video max. Looking forward to get mine too. Does' it work great for Davinci editors?
Ace review mate, I've got the 472XT version, and it's the best NAS I've ever owned.
Vtudio what speeds are you getting?
@@MatthewTyndall and you?
Great stuff. My RAID 8TB is almost out of room.
Excellent video! Thank you!!!!
Love your vids Max! Just purchased and setup the Qnap 453BT3 and really love it. Will get the 872XT if all goes as planned. The only thing I can't figure out is that when the 1 Gig Ethernet cable is plugged into my router, and the Thunderbolt cable is plugged in my 27" and I want to transfer files, it is not transferring over Thunderbolt but over Ethernet! Why is that? Do I need to create a Virtual Switch? Jeff
Hello Max. This was an awesome video. Thank you. One thing I wanted to ask was what pool / volume configuration you used to attain these numbers? Was it a single static Volume or multiple thick or thin volumes? And why you made that decision. I am setting one up now for editing and was hoping for your splendid insight.
me too
Great video Max, I'm getting the same NAS. So I was so happy to find your new video. I was wondering what you would recommend using the same system for the Freelancer that needs to edit from a distance. I would like to be able to edit on the NAS event while away without having to download the video files. I though of installing a VMware system and running the software on the NAS. Is that possible? What would you do?
U can WEBDAV link the drive to remote location. But your bottle neck would be the network connection of said place.
Great video Max, helped me out a lot. I am setting up a Qnap 1282t3 which has 2x10gb ethernet and 4x1gb ethernet and 4xthunderbolt 3- my question was do you think to have one editor running off 10gb and another running off 1gb ethernet is good enough for 720p proxies? Our director and Assistant editor are hooking up directly via Thunderbolt. Let me know your thoughts, thank you in advance.
Great review. Someone with a brain finally. F those jelly guys. I’ve set up several Qnaps.
Excellent video. Thorugh, but accesible. Well done thanks. Subscribed :)
Max, great job, great info. Wanted to check 2 things though. Lets say I add a second 10GbE port, are you sure I can add 2 computers without the use of a switch? I had the impression from looking at QNAP's videos that the ports could only be used for bundling (I think is the term), and for 2 computers you would need a switch. Second: with your 2 x 1 TB NVMe SSD from Samsung for cache, what percentage did you use for overprovisioning? Thanks again.
Hey Max, Thanks for the Information.
We have Qnap TVS 672XT. We have installed 6 Ironwolf Pro 12 TB drives in Raid 5 configuration giving us the total space of 54TB, along with SSD cache enabled in Read-Write in Raid 0 configuration. We have 2 Samsung 970 Evo 250 TB Drives. Total Write speed we are getting is around 400mb/s and read speed is 1200-1400 mb/s in Thunderbolt 3 connection. In 10gigabit connect write spead is around 500mb/s and read speed is around 400mb/s. Why read speed is less? Even if we attach only 1 Ironwolf pro drive, still we get the same read write speed which is technically impossible.
Please help us to get full read write speed potential from our Qnap.
I can only help here by saying change your Qnap to 9000 Jumbo Frames, as well as the Thunderbolt Ethernet Adapter to the same (9000, instead of 1500MTU). You will then achieve 950-1050MB/s each way. I also max out at 400-500MB/s Write and 1100-1200MB/s Read via TB3 (400+ if Wifi adapter is off and nothing else is plugged in, otherwise 370-395MB/s). Who knows how Max says he achieves over 1000MB/s over 10Gbe. Lol. That is definitely not technically possible! Neither is achieving 3200MB/s from a NAS to computer in single TB IP connection. Also, the speed test results at the top of the video do not seem realistic. However, if you have any insight as to how to achieve these speeds after all this while, then please comment below!? The problem seem to come from the fact that TB3 IP uses 1500MTU, as when i used 10Gbe, and before i changed over to 9000 jumbo frames, these were the speeds i was getting (350-400MB/s). After I changed to 9000 jumbo frames the write/read speeds over 10Gbe went to 1050MB/s. TB3 stayed the same at 400MB/s tops - no way of changing from 1500 to 9000 AFAIK?
@@deesto Hey Denis. Thanks for the info.
I achieved around 950 mb/s write speed and 1000+ mb/s read speed by changing to 9000 jumbo frames on ethernet 10 gigabit. But i cannot achieve more than 350-400 mb/s write speed via tb3 although Read speed is around 1100-1300mb/s via tb3.
So my main Issue is only with write speed via TB3. I am also using ssd caching but it’s not improving any speed.
@@OneMusicLabel Same here then :)! I think it is because 1500 is set for TB3 and can't be changed. Try changing your 10gbe to 1500, and you will see those 350-400MB/s speeds to see what i mean.
@@OneMusicLabel have you seen QNAP UK video? They also show 700-800MB/s Write under TB3! What are we not doing or doing wrong? I get same speeds as you (well actually 1600-1700MB/s in Read over TB3, but 350-410MB/s write). So how are they achieving that WRITE speed?! As I'm writing straight to the static NVMe volume/s and get 1000MB/s Write over 10GbE. Have a look, it's about 26mins in from ua-cam.com/video/2IKo6C2tzA0/v-deo.html
@@deesto yeah my situation is exactly the same . 350-500mb/s write speed and read goes upto 1400 mb/s. I was thinking there is some fault with my nas or atleast with my thunderbolt card on the nas. So I purchased the thunderbolt card for extra 140 dollars and still the speed was same. I don’t know how max and other achieve speed more than 1000 mb/s write on tb3.
Loved the interview but hate he didn’t explain that adding said “apps” will overall slow down the machine and other workloads.
Can’t thank you enough for doing this man. Seriously. Now, would you still recommend this those same hard drives and Nvme SSDs? Has something significantly better came out this years that made those obsolete? Again, THANK YOU
Hey max, I would love to see an updated version of of this...or what are your thoughts 3 years later? I'm on the market for one before the end of the year and would love to know if you think this unit still holds up.
Max, how can I get this to run with my older Late 2015 iMac with Thunderbolt 2? I only see adapters from Thunderbolt 3 (cpu) to 2. Not 2 (cpu) to 3.
Hey Max, any particular reason why you stopped using the TVS-1282T3 and switched to this one? great video!
Thank you for sharing !!!
Its a little miracle that camera stays in focus while all that "boxing" in front of camera.
Can you please do a video for casual users. NAS with 2 or 4 bays :)
Thanks for the video, great content. Would you buy such device if your computer doesn't have thunderbolt 3 on it? I still use a 2015 Macbook pro
I am SO jealous!!! LOL Great one!