Greg, I am forever in your debt for this one sentence, "The organism will continue to do what made it successful in the past." Every time I pull that line out, people's heads explode. They immediately conclude that I'm the smartest person in the room.
Call me envious but that line from Darwin to myself every one can think of. Even abused women repeat things that were NOT GOOD for themselves but whose process they know.
Hello, Greg, Mark, Chase & Scott! Having grown up in Los Angeles during the time of the Sharon Tate murders; I can tell you I was a about 10yrs old and happen upon a magazine in a Drs. office that told in detail about the Sharon Tate murders . I read it and was completely shocked and in disbelief that anyone in the world could have done or witnessed this murder. The whole world changed from everything is nice in the world to not. It rattled me to the core. Having watched this episode I can’t say I’m sorry he has passed away. Good Riddance….. Thank you Behavior Panel for your expertise and time . See you again next week as always😊❤️
There we go, getting to salute all 4 panelists that make this awesome. Some things are far better in a mix than the sum of the individual parts. This group is an example: Individually great, together explosive. 🎉 Making some kind of sense of the insane calms and educates the community. Whether we agree or disagree on subjects, we join together in our great appreciation for this learning resource. Since studying, I've learned to read subtle cues to stress, and, alerted by pre violence indicators, defused a confrontation. Thanks for the gifts.
Mark comments that PROBABLY "He's the type of guy who if he came into a room full of people sitting in chairs, he would turn his chair backwards" ... etc. I saw an interview with him where he is much older, and that is EXACTLY what he did with his chair. Good call Mark! 💯
@user-zx9ki8tk4r True ... yet once he said that, I started spotting people who do that ... and remembering people who'd done that in the past. He makes a good point.
That moment where Greg's cam starts playing up (around 35 mins). Chase & Scott, you both only get a C grade there for hiding laughter. Maybe a C- for Chase. But watching you pair trying to hold it in had me chuckling. Scott actually having to look away had me laughing. Yet more great work gents. I hope everyone on the Panel has an amazing weekend. & much love to everyone from here in GB
Awesome! Thank you guys so much! You really read the comments! I’m so excited to see this. Like Bundy, Gacy, Dahmer, Ramirez etc. we’ve all seen a lot of footage of them but you guys manage to make it into something none of us has ever seen. A true learning experience ❤
I might be biased because I'm British but I absolutely love Marks input, he always explains things from a totally different perspective than the other guys even though he's usually agreeing with their points
Agreed; I was thinking earlier that I enjoy his being in the mix because his perspective and input provides a kind of counterpoint to the north-American, military-and interrogation- background of the others. I appreciate all of their perspectives but I think his inclusion is valuable for that reason.
Greg has THE warmest smile. It makes me smile. Wouldn’t like to be questioned/interrogated by him though I’d probably admit to something I didn’t do out of fear 😂
Ok, I'm watching too much Behaviour Panel...had a dream last night that I was being interrogated by a tall, imposing man (not Greg, however) in battle fatigues, surrounded by others. I was sitting down and reached up and went "Boop!" and touched battle fatigue's nose. The room went still, in shock. Battle fatigue said to me, why did you do that? I said I watch the Behaviour Panel and this is one of the techniques to stop interrogation. Everyone laughed & let me go! I was amazed that my chicanery (please have Mark use this word more often) got me out of a tight spot.
I am from that generation. This is the first time I felt secure enough to listen to a Manson interview. He terrified me. Thanks guys. Yall did a great job.
It's no wonder he frightened so many. He and his followers were able to sneak into people's houses at night. He always seemed crazed to me, which is frightening, too.
What your saying is interesting. It shows that there's a fine line between trying to convince someone vs. trying to indoctrinate someone. I think that's why it's so easy for so many people to get taken in by these cult leaders. Most of them act pretty normal and can be very smart, which gives them an advantage over a Manson type, who turned off a lot of people. He had to pick out the most vulnerable, broken people. Plus, he had the drug culture and 1960's anti-establishment, if it feels good, do it , generation to work with.
Gregg is correct…”He was a miserable little man!” All the attention he got in life was pitching fits and acting crazy! He knew what he was doing and loved to confuse people
exactly what i said too about manson..just a hateful miserable human being... so vindictive and insecure...he loved messing with peoples minds and using them
I love it when Scott & Chase try to hold it together as Greg breaks up through his part 😅...love u guys! You provide so much knowledge on different things. Keep doing what you're doing x
A while ago on UA-cam I listened to parole hearings for Manson, Susan Atkins, and Leslie van Houten--the one who got released recently. Just listening to them as a lawyer, I thought Manson wasn't even trying; Atkins came across weird and phony; and van Houten was the model for "how you want your client to behave at parole hearings." (This was a hearing long before she actually got parole.) I would love to hear a compare-and-contrast by this panel between those three.
I was turning 13 when these murders happened. Manson has fascinated me ever since. Thanks for doing this one guys. As always, an entertaining learning experience.
1:14:33 Coming from a mental health professional, what Chase said about the DSM V and how labels can become a self fulfilling prophecy was very well stated.
I wouldn't characterize him like that He was printing books running record labels selling CDs Donating to animal liberation front And Earth liberation front And he was a good artist and he was selling artwork He was a man that was fuked over by the system But he never let that hold him back he kept doing good 👍‼️😊💯
The Rock group Marilyn Manson was named after him partly Numerous groups recorded his music He sold t-shirts with his face and name So cry a little harder and cope and seethe
Manson apparently did 150 hours of Scientology auditing in the 60's. Following his time in the church, he said that the religion was ”too crazy.” I didn't make the link before, but now I can see it in his mannerisms, the stare...
Poor Scott! 😅 Lol, he can’t keep it together when he sees Chase start to smile. 35:56 He literally has to cover his mouth and look away, to keep from cracking up. I love it 😄❤️
I’ve been watching you guys for a little while now, and I’m a little embarrassed to say that a lot of times I’m listening to hear your voices, cause they relax me, while I do other things. Although, I do find your info very interesting. So I was tickled when I found myself nodding along with one of you cause I had noticed the same thing while C. Manson spoke. I’m finally learning!!!!
Chase and Scott holding their giggles and nearly laughed :) but Mark did think of it but then thought no, and Greg didnt notice when the stream had interferences but we saw him paused. So funny :)
Mark’s reactions were just spot on. He thinks this guy is an idiot and not worth wasting time on. I agree. Mark is always thoughtful and deep in his assessments. This time he spotted the idiocy right out of the gate and kept his answers pointed and accurate IMO.
Thank you behaviour panel for doing something on Charles Manson I asked a long time ago if you could do a segment on Manson and other members of his group particularly, Susan Atkins, tex Watson, leslie van Houten Patricia krenwinkle thank you guys.
First of all, this was an awesome analysis, I’m a long-time cult obsessive and have a particular fascination with the Manson family, and this was really interesting discussion. Second, I have always wanted to suggest that the Behaviour Panel look at Susan Atkins, generally characterized as one of the more-unhinged Manson girls. It is actually through your dissection of other sociopathic women that I came to see Susan Atkins in a new light, and there are several interviews with her over her lifetime that chart her interesting progression and reveal a lot about her character.
Thanks for another interesting analysis, gentlemen. I would love to see a compilation of various cult leaders so you can identify the body language tactics they all share. I would also love to see one focusing on Scientology, especially those in the public eye who’ve escaped. It would be interesting to see their body language when they were in compared to after they got out.
26:00 when Chase mentions “Rhyme as Reason” the first thing to come to mind was the Reverend Jesse Jackson. No judgment of the man himself, just that’s what came to mind, because he rhymed alot. That and “If it does not fit, you must acquit.”, which was Johnny Cochran in the Simpson trial.
I was homeless in high school, and Charles Manson just reminds me of the homeless people I’d come across that had a couple screws loose, I don’t know how people thought he was charming
He was a lot younger than this interview, he wrote songs, knew some famous people and maybe was more charming when facing young ladies under 20 and guys who wanted to make some money, sell drugs or have a lot of sex.
That's a rough go, Megumi. Congrats on making it through and coming out the other side. Its real hard to see Manson and understand the reaction " let's get us some of that!"
@@zerowheeler I know, I hace seen his old interviews, his trials, his photos from the ranch surrounded by women, even then you could tell he wasn’t right in the head. I guess everyone was just seeking enlightenment through whomever strayed the course of normalcy, but he was always wacky (putting it nicely) and his music didn’t impress anyone much at least when they were interviewed. I just don’t see the appeal. Sign of the times
I’m with all four you on this one, as usually every one-such phenomenal 411 from each of you. I’ve never understood how panelists can pick one favorite, you’re all four my favorite ❤❤❤❤
Scott trying not to laugh and compose himself after Greg is frozen...as Chase tries not to look at Scott...as Mark looks up noticing something is going on that he must have missed. Greg looks like he knows something is off but moves on. Scott still trying not to laugh............... I was hysterical!!!!
I thought it was absolutely brilliant, how Scott said if you identify or agree with one thing he’s saying. It all starts making sense and then he’s got you . Chilling, you guys are the best ❤ 1:29:13
I have to tell you guys... I LOVE this show. I have been binge watching since I discovered it. I am so obtuse when it comes to people and to liars.. this is good for me to watch. Learning a lot. And whoever put the four of you together is a genius. You work so well together and compliment each other. I love when you are interacting and laughing. Thank you and keep the shows coming.
Thanks, y'all. I've watched a lot on Manson, but I'm sure others learned more and I enjoyed the analysis. Any chance Lori Vallow Daybell finally speaking at her sentencing or anything more on Taylor Schabusiness on the horizon? Especially Schabusiness--her body language absolutely baffles me!
Schabusiness was very odd. I've never seen anyone like her. I watched her while her Dad, and those psychologists were testifying about her mental health and background, after she was found guilty, but before the final sentencing. I could definitely see a change in her manner with each one. She looked happy when her Dad was talking about her. She sat up and really listened to him and exchanged "I love you" with him as he walked by to leave. Then she started her weird frown and facial expressions during the psychologist who spoke against her,. While the other person who spoke more for her innocence, her face had none of the contortions. She seemed very relaxed. My belief is that she has Borderline Personality Disorder. She's a real manipulator, shown by her very different expressions with the people, as I described. I, too, would love to get the Panel's analysis on her.
Are we seeing the product of a human who wasn't raised by other humans, but by penal institutions his whole life? Who was never socialized, never taught right and wrong, only whatever needs to be done for survival? When he asks "Teach me what 'Help is', I wonder if he really means it - that he doesn't understand the concept of 'help', from one human to another.
What prevents me from believing that he doesn't know what "help" is, is the fact that later he talks about all the people in prison who are "helping" him. How could he know that they are "helping" him, but not understand what "help" is?
He was playing with the interviewer with that question basically laughing in their face at what they thought help was versus what he thought help was. He learned what their brand of help was in and out of multiple institutions and he hated the "help" he received there in the form of beatings, etc. He was being sarcastic by saying that.
I don't find him charismatic in the least, in fact he gives me the proper creeps! That flash of anger at the interviewer after the two and fro was undeniable and chilling. Mark is right, he enjoys not giving a straight answer, and talks a load of crazy bunkum. An ex of mine used to say "paranoia pays", he turned out to be a wannabe career criminal and diagnosed narcissistic psychopath.. I make that point for what it's worth. It's interesting to see all the different types of manipulation. Once these people's masks finally slip, you can't unsee the scary reality. To my mind, to know one true narcissist is to know them all. Love all four of you guys' views and observations. Thankyou Scott for all the hard work you put into these educational videos! ❤
This was yet another interesting, fantastic episode. Scott I spied you trying to conceal a chuckle at one point in the episode. Please continue brining us this top notch content 🎉
Mansion’s case was so astonishing, intriguing, and scary at the time. It was so good and helpful to hear that the reason he no longer has the ability to influence is that his technique no longer works as it is so far out of the context in which it was successful. Good stuff.
He's not some extraordinary guru but he's right. "The people that run your lives aren't very nice." If only he has an opportunity to explain what he knows.
I grew up in an abusive cult and left so I absolutely hate people like this. If it doesn't make sense, if it hurts people, if I have to do mental gymnastics to figure out why we're doing it, I'm OUT!
Sorry I missed the premiere and live chat. I just started watching now and know it's going to be brilliant. Thanks to @The Behavior Panel for all their hard work and fascinating insights. I'd join their cult. I might already be in it. 👁
Someone once said to me “Why have you never married? Even Charles Manson found a spouse!” After seeing this, I think that says more about him than me!!
There's an official name for the bizarre attraction some people have to killers and the like: >>Hybristophilia is a paraphilia involving sexual interest in and attraction to those who commit crimes.
What I have found interesting is that Manson had read the book "How to win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. He had actually credited this book in order to get people to do what he wanted. A book that has sold 30 million copies, and is considered mandatory reading for many business people.
TIMESTAMPS FOR CLIPS SHOWN (Along with what the Panel discusses) Clip One 00:38 (Things to look for: Emotional eye accessing, blink rate spike, repetition, teachers face, condemning & disdain smile [bless your heart gesture], clasped hands, mirroring) Also discussed: Common behavior in Cult leaders. They use silence & repetition to appear wise. Down right emotional eye accessing as baseline. Neglected childhood. Organism doing what made it successful. Clip Two 12:30 (amusment, attempt to stroke ego, beard grooming [part of baseline], fake crying, adapting, clasped hands, open crotch, barriered arm, playing role of innocence, circular logic, blink rate increase.) Abuse growing up. Clip Three 21:12 (single shoulder shrug, preaching, chaffing & redirect, eyelid flutter.) What cult leaders do best. How to be a Cult leader. 'Rhyme as reason effect'. Ambigious or nonsensical language, which can create mental confusion or cognitive dissonance. Unusual language can serve to separate cult from the outside world. Juvenile delinquency. Clip Four 33:21 (emotional eye accessing, anger in face, charismatic laughter, mouth fidgeting [may be part of baseline]) Crack in false confidence (nodding, blink rate increase, smiling, facial touching). Incarceration & lack of positive role models (huge contributer to criminal behavior later in life). How to spot the anger even under facial hair. Allotropic behavior (Pulls you in different directions). Clip Five 38:36 (facial touching, hesitancy, eyebrow flash, approval seeking, muted head shake, pursed lips, respiration increase, list making behavior) Clip Six 47:01 (narrowing of eyes, teaching face, superficial charm, anger, attempt to chaff & redirect) Hallmarks of Mansons speech patterns (convoluted, circular, nonlinear). Repitition & reversal, ambiguity & evasiveness, assertion of dominance, hypnotic repetition, indirect confirmation, non-sequitur. Scientology. Clip Seven 56:14 (Chaff & redirect) Verbal excrement. Messiah complex. Mansons techniques: create doubt, insert confusion, amplify confusion, borrow from authority, tactical/artificial wisdom. Mansons Formula: Create mystique, offer individualized attention, display assertive confidence, distort reality, promote the Us vs. Them mentality, and align with spiritual or ideological concepts. Clip Eight 1:08:19 (adapters, large illustrators, lower lip withdrawal, compressed lips, emotional eye accessing) Messiah Complex & paranoia. Learned behavior. Difference between persona & the person inside afraid to be seen. Uniqueness of human beings. Clip Nine 1:18:01 (lean in, looking under brow, mocking, inability to call someone a liar, vague ambigious language, lack of denial about accusations, attacking the other side, stress around vulnerability, artificial smiling, approval seeking behavior, & rapport building behavior) Rational mind. Manson tells us why he is the way he is. A critical turning point in Manson was in 1957 after reading "How to win friends & influence people" by Dale Carnegie in prison. Specifically the quote "Let the other fellow feel that the idea is his." Final Thoughts 1:25:41 Most telling question to ask someone would be for them to describe the motivation of other people & how they believe they think. Thanks for another interesting episode gentlemen.
Hey Mark I LOVE that your blonde😍 hair is back. Luv it! You be you blondie, it's ur signature look, and I was really worried there for a few days! Phew thank goodness the world is right again lol 😥
I love Greg's "final thoughts".👍 If you guys analyze more Manson videos it's just gonna be a wild ride of insanity & downward spiral...But, I'd watch!!🤩 Great video, gentlemen. Thx!💗💗💗💗
My mother, a tough woman raised in poverty during the Depression, once listened to him on a televised rant about how society held people back, what it's like to be oppressed, blah, blah. (Some of what he said did make sense at times, of course, as cult leaders do.) She said, "He's right." I answered, "Yes, and he is also responsible for the brutal deaths of several people. I wouldn't believe him if he said water was wet."
Your mother is wiser than you are. It is important to hear what people say and evaluate it. Otherwise someone who looks good and hasn't gotten caught can take you anywhere. "He was a great guy I didn't even have to check if the water was wet."
@@paulaegraham Even a village idiot can speak truth on occasion, but that doesn't mean his discourse is all valid. When that village idiot is a murderer who can't keep his ass out of prison for more than a year or two at a stretch, I don't much care what he has to say, even if there are crumbs of truth sprinkled into the madness.
But water is wet, you're mother is jus more honest than most. Truth isn't determined by the character of who says it. A broken clock is right twice a day, yet we dont pearl clutch at that fact lol
@@NerdySabbath If you want to be a Manson fan because he happened to say something that had a grain of truth to someone, it's all the same to me. Charlie was the scum of the earth, but if someone wants to be a groupie, I really don't care. Even the most despicable excuses for humans occasionally make sense. And it's "your" when used as a possessive pronoun in the adjective case.
Scott is my favorite! He doesn’t try to be politically correct or diplomatic. We can always trust him to say exactly what he thinks. It makes him more relatable. ❤️
Scott Rouse from 35:29 you do so well. But I was laughing at you trying not to laugh, then I saw Chase restraining from laughing and turned a slightly different colour which made me choke on my coffee. Looked back at scott, eyes really are the doorway to the soul lol. Have a great day chaps x
My mom and my biodad both had some stories about Manson. My mom was close friends with Old Man Spawns daughter, around the time Charlie started coming around. Both said he was a nutjob... my dad says that they got into it one night over Manson claiming to be the messiah.... My mom said she always steered clear of that group, but said her and her boys used to lay on a hill and take shots on him and his followers. Oh! the stories of growing up in LA in 60s, I wish my mom would have written a book, because her shenanigans were the best.
@zerowheeler She said they would lay on a hill and shoot at them. I've always assumed she meant like BB guns, but maybe she meant real guns. She said that they liked to make them dance, lol, I guess. Unfortunately, my parents have been gone for quite some time now, so I have no way of knowing now.
the ruptured duck is an honorable service lapel pin that GI's were given at the end of their time to signify federal service between 1925-46. Never heard the 101st referred to as the ruptured ducks.
Fetal alcohol syndrome, conduct disorder, disorganised thinking/schizoid type, narcissistic personality disorder, pathological psychopathy, borderline personality disorder - word lettuce - boy he sure was f*d up as a kid and sealed the deal with drugs.
His mannerisms and the way he talks in circles is so like how my mothers 3rd husband is. It really slaps me un the face how similar. That man did so much damage to my family.
Greg, I am forever in your debt for this one sentence, "The organism will continue to do what made it successful in the past." Every time I pull that line out, people's heads explode. They immediately conclude that I'm the smartest person in the room.
the organism must not know many people.
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Call me envious but that line from Darwin to myself every one can think of. Even abused women repeat things that were NOT GOOD for themselves but whose process they know.
Hello, Greg, Mark, Chase & Scott!
Having grown up in Los Angeles during the time of the Sharon Tate murders; I can tell you I was a about 10yrs old and happen upon a magazine in a Drs. office that told in detail about the Sharon Tate murders . I read it and was completely shocked and in disbelief that anyone in the world could have done or witnessed this murder. The whole world changed from everything is nice in the world to not. It rattled me to the core.
Having watched this episode I can’t say I’m sorry he has passed away. Good Riddance…..
Thank you Behavior Panel for your expertise and time .
See you again next week as always😊❤️
It was terrifying. I was 11 years old and up north. Of course, we had the zodiac killer. I’m amazed anyone gets nostalgic for the 1960s.
There we go, getting to salute all 4 panelists that make this awesome.
Some things are far better in a mix than the sum of the individual parts. This group is an example: Individually great, together explosive. 🎉
Making some kind of sense of the insane calms and educates the community.
Whether we agree or disagree on subjects, we join together in our great appreciation for this learning resource.
Since studying, I've learned to read subtle cues to stress, and, alerted by pre violence indicators, defused a confrontation. Thanks for the gifts.
Mark comments that PROBABLY "He's the type of guy who if he came into a room full of people sitting in chairs, he would turn his chair backwards" ... etc. I saw an interview with him where he is much older, and that is EXACTLY what he did with his chair. Good call Mark! 💯
Mark is always soo spot on with his conceptualizations ❤
Mark may have seen the same interview... just sayin...
@user-zx9ki8tk4r True ... yet once he said that, I started spotting people who do that ... and remembering people who'd done that in the past. He makes a good point.
That moment where Greg's cam starts playing up (around 35 mins). Chase & Scott, you both only get a C grade there for hiding laughter. Maybe a C- for Chase. But watching you pair trying to hold it in had me chuckling. Scott actually having to look away had me laughing.
Yet more great work gents. I hope everyone on the Panel has an amazing weekend. & much love to everyone from here in GB
It never stops to amaze me how many different things greg, scott, chace and mark are able to pull out from the videos. Love you guys.
Awesome! Thank you guys so much! You really read the comments! I’m so excited to see this. Like Bundy, Gacy, Dahmer, Ramirez etc. we’ve all seen a lot of footage of them but you guys manage to make it into something none of us has ever seen. A true learning experience ❤
35:34 Scott and Chase trying not to laugh as Greg's stream started to break up a bit was classic 😂😂
I asked for Charles Manson analysis like 1.5 months ago and I’m getting it!!! Thank you! ❤️❤️🙏🏻
Good things come to those who wait 😉
Me too!! I’m so excited!! 🤍
The king of creepy 👀
I might be biased because I'm British but I absolutely love Marks input, he always explains things from a totally different perspective than the other guys even though he's usually agreeing with their points
Agreed; I was thinking earlier that I enjoy his being in the mix because his perspective and input provides a kind of counterpoint to the north-American, military-and interrogation- background of the others. I appreciate all of their perspectives but I think his inclusion is valuable for that reason.
He's my fav. I'm way too used to the American military guy mentality lol.
Greg has THE warmest smile. It makes me smile.
Wouldn’t like to be questioned/interrogated by him though I’d probably admit to something I didn’t do out of fear 😂
Hahaha 😂❤
Ok, I'm watching too much Behaviour Panel...had a dream last night that I was being interrogated by a tall, imposing man (not Greg, however) in battle fatigues, surrounded by others. I was sitting down and reached up and went "Boop!" and touched battle fatigue's nose. The room went still, in shock. Battle fatigue said to me, why did you do that? I said I watch the Behaviour Panel and this is one of the techniques to stop interrogation. Everyone laughed & let me go! I was amazed that my chicanery (please have Mark use this word more often) got me out of a tight spot.
I agree with the whole comment
I am from that generation. This is the first time I felt secure enough to listen to a Manson interview. He terrified me. Thanks guys. Yall did a great job.
My generation too.
It's no wonder he frightened so many. He and his followers were able to sneak into people's houses at night. He always seemed crazed to me, which is frightening, too.
I'm from LA and grew up in the San Fernando Valley, he terrified all of us.
Love that Greg extends the definition of cult to military. I've heard the Panel also call a marriage a cult of two. Brilliant!
What your saying is interesting. It shows that there's a fine line between trying to convince someone vs. trying to indoctrinate someone. I think that's why it's so easy for so many people to get taken in by these cult leaders. Most of them act pretty normal and can be very smart, which gives them an advantage over a Manson type, who turned off a lot of people. He had to pick out the most vulnerable, broken people. Plus, he had the drug culture and 1960's anti-establishment, if it feels good, do it , generation to work with.
4:12 this made my day, Greg. "Nobody wants to deal with crazy." Your delivery is hilarious.🤣
Everyone's faces when Mark says he wouldn't call Scientology a cult on UA-cam 😂
Priceless!
@@rosered103 Mark: "Of course I would never, ever say that on youtube. Never!" 😂😂😂
I’d love to see your take on Keith Raniere as a cult leader, along with his relationship with Alison Mac. His branding of women just blew my mind!
Mark is such a spice of life. Love listening to his thoughts and how he speaks. 😊❤🎉
Gregg is correct…”He was a miserable little man!” All the attention he got in life was pitching fits and acting crazy! He knew what he was doing and loved to confuse people
100%
I knew a few guys during the punk rock era who were stuck on stupid and were not unconvinced that he had wisdom.
Nope
No wise here
Move on
exactly what i said too about manson..just a hateful miserable human being... so vindictive and insecure...he loved messing with peoples minds and using them
It's funny you nobody's all try to ride off Charlie's name 😂
I love it when Scott & Chase try to hold it together as Greg breaks up through his part 😅...love u guys!
You provide so much knowledge on different things. Keep doing what you're doing x
"he's a full-blown idiot" - love it Scott, this is such an Aussie saying!
A while ago on UA-cam I listened to parole hearings for Manson, Susan Atkins, and Leslie van Houten--the one who got released recently. Just listening to them as a lawyer, I thought Manson wasn't even trying; Atkins came across weird and phony; and van Houten was the model for "how you want your client to behave at parole hearings." (This was a hearing long before she actually got parole.) I would love to hear a compare-and-contrast by this panel between those three.
Request for Taylor Schabusiness next!!
Yes please!!
Oh yeah!!
Let's All change our names to Schabusiness
Who's business?
Same!
I'm so glad you guys are covering cult leaders and how they recruit people. So good!
Scott, you nailed it. He’s medicated here. This is not his typical demeanor.
I was turning 13 when these murders happened. Manson has fascinated me ever since. Thanks for doing this one guys. As always, an entertaining learning experience.
So glad to hear from all of you with this particular video of Charles Manson. Always like "your take" on various people, love your channel. 🤗
Request for an interpretation of Kevin Spacey's behaviour around allegations
Yes 👍
1:14:33 Coming from a mental health professional, what Chase said about the DSM V and how labels can become a self fulfilling prophecy was very well stated.
For anyone curious about the interviewer, it was Mike Boyd of KCRA 3 out of Sacramento, California. This interview took place in 1980.
Scott trying not to lose it when Greg's video feed starts wigging out is everything.
"... But when you get him in the bright light he's just a miserable little man."
-Greg Hartley
🎯🎯🎯
I wouldn't characterize him like that
He was printing books running record labels selling CDs
Donating to animal liberation front
And Earth liberation front
And he was a good artist and he was selling artwork
He was a man that was fuked over by the system
But he never let that hold him back he kept doing good 👍‼️😊💯
The Rock group Marilyn Manson was named after him partly
Numerous groups recorded his music
He sold t-shirts with his face and name
So cry a little harder and cope and seethe
Manson apparently did 150 hours of Scientology auditing in the 60's. Following his time in the church, he said that the religion was ”too crazy.” I didn't make the link before, but now I can see it in his mannerisms, the stare...
then maybe he was under a spell too.
That would f anybody up.
Poor Scott! 😅 Lol, he can’t keep it together when he sees Chase start to smile. 35:56 He literally has to cover his mouth and look away, to keep from cracking up. I love it 😄❤️
He sounds like 90% of the new age spiritualist on tiktok 😂
Yesssss!! Finally you have made a Charles Manson video!!! Love it!! Thank you guys all!!
I’ve been watching you guys for a little while now, and I’m a little embarrassed to say that a lot of times I’m listening to hear your voices, cause they relax me, while I do other things. Although, I do find your info very interesting. So I was tickled when I found myself nodding along with one of you cause I had noticed the same thing while C. Manson spoke. I’m finally learning!!!!
Chase and Scott holding their giggles and nearly laughed :) but Mark did think of it but then thought no, and Greg didnt notice when the stream had interferences but we saw him paused. So funny :)
Still smiling at scott's take on manson. "He's an idiot." Love it.
I said it along with him lol but idk if it's just great minds think alike 😅
It's like we're disappointed he's not very smart at all 😅
Mark’s reactions were just spot on. He thinks this guy is an idiot and not worth wasting time on. I agree. Mark is always thoughtful and deep in his assessments. This time he spotted the idiocy right out of the gate and kept his answers pointed and accurate IMO.
Thank you behaviour panel for doing something on Charles Manson I asked a long time ago if you could do a segment on Manson and other members of his group particularly, Susan Atkins, tex Watson, leslie van Houten Patricia krenwinkle thank you guys.
First of all, this was an awesome analysis, I’m a long-time cult obsessive and have a particular fascination with the Manson family, and this was really interesting discussion. Second, I have always wanted to suggest that the Behaviour Panel look at Susan Atkins, generally characterized as one of the more-unhinged Manson girls. It is actually through your dissection of other sociopathic women that I came to see Susan Atkins in a new light, and there are several interviews with her over her lifetime that chart her interesting progression and reveal a lot about her character.
Thanks for another interesting analysis, gentlemen. I would love to see a compilation of various cult leaders so you can identify the body language tactics they all share. I would also love to see one focusing on Scientology, especially those in the public eye who’ve escaped. It would be interesting to see their body language when they were in compared to after they got out.
Chase explains cult-speak so well. Thank you,guys.
26:00 when Chase mentions “Rhyme as Reason” the first thing to come to mind was the Reverend Jesse Jackson. No judgment of the man himself, just that’s what came to mind, because he rhymed alot. That and “If it does not fit, you must acquit.”, which was Johnny Cochran in the Simpson trial.
Well, I paused to make a comment and Hughes brings up Cochran. Didn’t know.
I was homeless in high school, and Charles Manson just reminds me of the homeless people I’d come across that had a couple screws loose, I don’t know how people thought he was charming
He was a lot younger than this interview, he wrote songs, knew some famous people and maybe was more charming when facing young ladies under 20 and guys who wanted to make some money, sell drugs or have a lot of sex.
That's a rough go, Megumi. Congrats on making it through and coming out the other side.
Its real hard to see Manson and understand the reaction " let's get us some of that!"
@@zerowheeler I know, I hace seen his old interviews, his trials, his photos from the ranch surrounded by women, even then you could tell he wasn’t right in the head. I guess everyone was just seeking enlightenment through whomever strayed the course of normalcy, but he was always wacky (putting it nicely) and his music didn’t impress anyone much at least when they were interviewed. I just don’t see the appeal. Sign of the times
@@MeghanReads I think they were all damaged folk looking for a new family, lost souls.
@@zerowheeler ripe pickings for cult leaders to this day
Chase is Spot On. Manson is good at spotting victims who will fall for his mumbo jumbo
Thanks my Darlings - great video! UK watching...thankyou 😘
IMHO a focus on cult leaders and their methods is an invaluable public service - thank you
Scientology's David Miscavige's Interview with Ted Koppel would be interesting to see.
"An absolute dog's dinner" 😂😂👌🏻 love you Mark
I believe him when he says he never thought about helping anyone else.
I’m with all four you on this one, as usually every one-such phenomenal 411 from each of you.
I’ve never understood how panelists can pick one favorite, you’re all four my favorite
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Scott trying not to laugh and compose himself after Greg is frozen...as Chase tries not to look at Scott...as Mark looks up noticing something is going on that he must have missed. Greg looks like he knows something is off but moves on. Scott still trying not to laugh............... I was hysterical!!!!
Dang. You need your own channel. You miss nothing. 😮
I thought it was absolutely brilliant, how Scott said if you identify or agree with one thing he’s saying. It all starts making sense and then he’s got you . Chilling, you guys are the best ❤ 1:29:13
Greg's summary was pretty spot on! Good show, gents, it was torture having to watch Manson ramble, but your comments were gold.
I have to tell you guys... I LOVE this show. I have been binge watching since I discovered it. I am so obtuse when it comes to people and to liars.. this is good for me to watch. Learning a lot. And whoever put the four of you together is a genius. You work so well together and compliment each other. I love when you are interacting and laughing. Thank you and keep the shows coming.
I've been waiting years and years for this now I'm 3 weeks late but better late than never😊
Thanks, y'all. I've watched a lot on Manson, but I'm sure others learned more and I enjoyed the analysis. Any chance Lori Vallow Daybell finally speaking at her sentencing or anything more on Taylor Schabusiness on the horizon? Especially Schabusiness--her body language absolutely baffles me!
Schabusiness was very odd. I've never seen anyone like her. I watched her while her Dad, and those psychologists were testifying about her mental health and background, after she was found guilty, but before the final sentencing. I could definitely see a change in her manner with each one. She looked happy when her Dad was talking about her. She sat up and really listened to him and exchanged "I love you" with him as he walked by to leave. Then she started her weird frown and facial expressions during the psychologist who spoke against her,. While the other person who spoke more for her innocence, her face had none of the contortions. She seemed very relaxed. My belief is that she has Borderline Personality Disorder. She's a real manipulator, shown by her very different expressions with the people, as I described. I, too, would love to get the Panel's analysis on her.
Manson always reminded me of the Wizard of Oz..."Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"
I can't believe how calm he is. In every other interview, he's raving
The moral of this story....take care of your children 💙
Are we seeing the product of a human who wasn't raised by other humans, but by penal institutions his whole life? Who was never socialized, never taught right and wrong, only whatever needs to be done for survival? When he asks "Teach me what 'Help is', I wonder if he really means it - that he doesn't understand the concept of 'help', from one human to another.
What prevents me from believing that he doesn't know what "help" is, is the fact that later he talks about all the people in prison who are "helping" him. How could he know that they are "helping" him, but not understand what "help" is?
He was playing with the interviewer with that question basically laughing in their face at what they thought help was versus what he thought help was. He learned what their brand of help was in and out of multiple institutions and he hated the "help" he received there in the form of beatings, etc. He was being sarcastic by saying that.
I don't find him charismatic in the least, in fact he gives me the proper creeps!
That flash of anger at the interviewer after the two and fro was undeniable and chilling.
Mark is right, he enjoys not giving a straight answer, and talks a load of crazy bunkum.
An ex of mine used to say "paranoia pays", he turned out to be a wannabe career criminal and diagnosed narcissistic psychopath.. I make that point for what it's worth.
It's interesting to see all the different types of manipulation.
Once these people's masks finally slip, you can't unsee the scary reality.
To my mind, to know one true narcissist is to know them all.
Love all four of you guys' views and observations. Thankyou Scott for all the hard work you put into these educational videos! ❤
A GENIUS IS ALWAYS AGENIUS...SELF MASTERY IS THE NAME OF THE GAME !
This was yet another interesting, fantastic episode. Scott I spied you trying to conceal a chuckle at one point in the episode. Please continue brining us this top notch content 🎉
Mansion’s case was so astonishing, intriguing, and scary at the time. It was so good and helpful to hear that the reason he no longer has the ability to influence is that his technique no longer works as it is so far out of the context in which it was successful. Good stuff.
He's not some extraordinary guru but he's right. "The people that run your lives aren't very nice." If only he has an opportunity to explain what he knows.
He's just saying people in charge are not nice.. He has a problem with authority but he isn't smart and knows nothing apart from crime
I grew up in an abusive cult and left so I absolutely hate people like this. If it doesn't make sense, if it hurts people, if I have to do mental gymnastics to figure out why we're doing it, I'm OUT!
Request for Oscar Pistorius especially in the courtroom! Edit: already covered. You guys are awesome!
Sorry I missed the premiere and live chat. I just started watching now and know it's going to be brilliant. Thanks to @The Behavior Panel for all their hard work and fascinating insights. I'd join their cult. I might already be in it. 👁
The favorite Manson interview is the 1986-ish one with Charlie Rose. I had it on VHS and watched it many times in the late '80s.
Someone once said to me “Why have you never married? Even Charles Manson found a spouse!” After seeing this, I think that says more about him than me!!
Hilarious 🎉
There's an official name for the bizarre attraction some people have to killers and the like:
>>Hybristophilia is a paraphilia involving sexual interest in and attraction to those who commit crimes.
This isn't related to Manson but I would love to hear you guys analyze Karla Komolka or Paul Bernardo! Love the show!!
Yes would love that!
Chase is a genius
This was great guys ! Amazing breakdown ! Respect
"His brain and thoughts are a dogs dinner." Mark's quips are always so clever. Love it! Lol
It’s funny how over time through word of mouth things become true I thought he was an evil genius. He can hardly string a sentence together 😂
Lies are believed by those who hate the truth.
Greg, when you said that you and Chase were in a cult, my first thought was, "wait a minute, I'd like to know more about that right there."
They're from the South, so i'm guessing Jehovah's Witnesses.
What I have found interesting is that Manson had read the book "How to win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. He had actually credited this book in order to get people to do what he wanted.
A book that has sold 30 million copies, and is considered mandatory reading for many business people.
Great, I loved watching him and your response to his behaviour!
Manson reminds me of a compilation of so many patients I dealt with in psych facilities I worked in.
TIMESTAMPS FOR CLIPS SHOWN (Along with what the Panel discusses)
Clip One 00:38 (Things to look for: Emotional eye accessing, blink rate spike, repetition, teachers face, condemning & disdain smile [bless your heart gesture], clasped hands, mirroring)
Also discussed: Common behavior in Cult leaders. They use silence & repetition to appear wise.
Down right emotional eye accessing as baseline.
Neglected childhood.
Organism doing what made it successful.
Clip Two 12:30 (amusment, attempt to stroke ego, beard grooming [part of baseline], fake crying, adapting, clasped hands, open crotch, barriered arm, playing role of innocence, circular logic, blink rate increase.)
Abuse growing up.
Clip Three 21:12 (single shoulder shrug, preaching, chaffing & redirect, eyelid flutter.)
What cult leaders do best.
How to be a Cult leader.
'Rhyme as reason effect'.
Ambigious or nonsensical language, which can create mental confusion or cognitive dissonance.
Unusual language can serve to separate cult from the outside world.
Juvenile delinquency.
Clip Four 33:21 (emotional eye accessing, anger in face, charismatic laughter, mouth fidgeting [may be part of baseline])
Crack in false confidence (nodding, blink rate increase, smiling, facial touching).
Incarceration & lack of positive role models (huge contributer to criminal behavior later in life).
How to spot the anger even under facial hair.
Allotropic behavior (Pulls you in different directions).
Clip Five 38:36 (facial touching, hesitancy, eyebrow flash, approval seeking, muted head shake, pursed lips, respiration increase, list making behavior)
Clip Six 47:01 (narrowing of eyes, teaching face, superficial charm, anger, attempt to chaff & redirect)
Hallmarks of Mansons speech patterns (convoluted, circular, nonlinear).
Repitition & reversal, ambiguity & evasiveness, assertion of dominance, hypnotic repetition, indirect confirmation, non-sequitur.
Scientology.
Clip Seven 56:14 (Chaff & redirect)
Verbal excrement.
Messiah complex.
Mansons techniques: create doubt, insert confusion, amplify confusion, borrow from authority, tactical/artificial wisdom.
Mansons Formula: Create mystique, offer individualized attention, display assertive confidence, distort reality, promote the Us vs. Them mentality, and align with spiritual or ideological concepts.
Clip Eight 1:08:19 (adapters, large illustrators, lower lip withdrawal, compressed lips, emotional eye accessing)
Messiah Complex & paranoia.
Learned behavior.
Difference between persona & the person inside afraid to be seen.
Uniqueness of human beings.
Clip Nine 1:18:01 (lean in, looking under brow, mocking, inability to call someone a liar, vague ambigious language, lack of denial about accusations, attacking the other side, stress around vulnerability, artificial smiling, approval seeking behavior, & rapport building behavior)
Rational mind.
Manson tells us why he is the way he is.
A critical turning point in Manson was in 1957 after reading "How to win friends & influence people" by Dale Carnegie in prison. Specifically the quote "Let the other fellow feel that the idea is his."
Final Thoughts 1:25:41
Most telling question to ask someone would be for them to describe the motivation of other people & how they believe they think.
Thanks for another interesting episode gentlemen.
Thank you for the timestamps and what to look for in each one. Very help to study up with.
Hey Mark I LOVE that your blonde😍 hair is back. Luv it! You be you blondie, it's ur signature look, and I was really worried there for a few days! Phew thank goodness the world is right again lol 😥
I love Greg's "final thoughts".👍 If you guys analyze more Manson videos it's just gonna be a wild ride of insanity & downward spiral...But, I'd watch!!🤩 Great video, gentlemen. Thx!💗💗💗💗
My mother, a tough woman raised in poverty during the Depression, once listened to him on a televised rant about how society held people back, what it's like to be oppressed, blah, blah. (Some of what he said did make sense at times, of course, as cult leaders do.) She said, "He's right." I answered, "Yes, and he is also responsible for the brutal deaths of several people. I wouldn't believe him if he said water was wet."
Your mother is wiser than you are. It is important to hear what people say and evaluate it. Otherwise someone who looks good and hasn't gotten caught can take you anywhere. "He was a great guy I didn't even have to check if the water was wet."
@@paulaegraham Even a village idiot can speak truth on occasion, but that doesn't mean his discourse is all valid. When that village idiot is a murderer who can't keep his ass out of prison for more than a year or two at a stretch, I don't much care what he has to say, even if there are crumbs of truth sprinkled into the madness.
@@paulaegraham "You're mother is wiser than you"?
No way to make your point without the out down, the hostility ? Might could at least try.
But water is wet, you're mother is jus more honest than most. Truth isn't determined by the character of who says it. A broken clock is right twice a day, yet we dont pearl clutch at that fact lol
@@NerdySabbath If you want to be a Manson fan because he happened to say something that had a grain of truth to someone, it's all the same to me. Charlie was the scum of the earth, but if someone wants to be a groupie, I really don't care. Even the most despicable excuses for humans occasionally make sense.
And it's "your" when used as a possessive pronoun in the adjective case.
Mark, you nailed it - Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys. Manson just acts crazy to hide that he is a little nobody.
That's right . Attention seeking on a colossal scale , to feed his gross grandiose narcissism.
Brad Pitt in 12 monkeys.
Exactly! Wonder if Brad modeled his crazy from watching Manson talk and emphasize with his hands as he does.
@@teresev1435 it’s very possible - Brad does it spectacularly, the hand gestures, fast talking and saying nothing.
I love Scott. On Jimmy Saville, "HE"S NOT FUNNY" on Manson "HE"S AN IDIOT!" I'd love to see a breakdown of Marianne Williamson on Hasan.
Scott is my favorite! He doesn’t try to be politically correct or diplomatic. We can always trust him to say exactly what he thinks. It makes him more relatable. ❤️
More of Manson for sure! This was so interesting
Scott Rouse from 35:29 you do so well. But I was laughing at you trying not to laugh, then I saw Chase restraining from laughing and turned a slightly different colour which made me choke on my coffee. Looked back at scott, eyes really are the doorway to the soul lol. Have a great day chaps x
Busted.
My mom and my biodad both had some stories about Manson. My mom was close friends with Old Man Spawns daughter, around the time Charlie started coming around. Both said he was a nutjob... my dad says that they got into it one night over Manson claiming to be the messiah.... My mom said she always steered clear of that group, but said her and her boys used to lay on a hill and take shots on him and his followers. Oh! the stories of growing up in LA in 60s, I wish my mom would have written a book, because her shenanigans were the best.
What does that mean? (Take shots on him?)
@zerowheeler She said they would lay on a hill and shoot at them. I've always assumed she meant like BB guns, but maybe she meant real guns. She said that they liked to make them dance, lol, I guess. Unfortunately, my parents have been gone for quite some time now, so I have no way of knowing now.
@@lvgelfling72 oh wow! I like that image of making Manson dance! 😉I’m from U.K. so excuse me not knowing! 😂
@@zerowheeler Hahaha. That is ok. My mom's stories of growing up in LA in the 50s and 60s were endless. 😊
I’d be more interested in your analysis of other members of the ‘Manson family’ if they have been interviewed. 😊
the ruptured duck is an honorable service lapel pin that GI's were given at the end of their time to signify federal service between 1925-46. Never heard the 101st referred to as the ruptured ducks.
Great correction-Greg Here
Thanks to Greg and yourself for clarifying I initially thought it was more of his gibberish
Scott trying to hide his sniggering when Gregg was freezing 😂😂😂.
I need Greg to read to us some spooky stories with that lighting.
Fetal alcohol syndrome, conduct disorder, disorganised thinking/schizoid type, narcissistic personality disorder, pathological psychopathy, borderline personality disorder - word lettuce - boy he sure was f*d up as a kid and sealed the deal with drugs.
They should make him diagram his own sentences as punishment.
But…but..he’s dead 😯
I love you Scott 😂😂 you always make me chuckle
This analysis is pertinent to so many cult leaders. Thanks for sharing.
His mannerisms and the way he talks in circles is so like how my mothers 3rd husband is. It really slaps me un the face how similar. That man did so much damage to my family.
circular
At 35:41 when gregs video glitches it was all scott could do to stay composed. Even chase was having a hard time
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That crazy word soup talk reminds me of Ramirez
Ramirez was a Manson wannabe for sure.