What Is the Gift of Tongues? | Ep. 101
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- Опубліковано 19 бер 2024
- In this episode of the G3 Podcast, Josh Buice, Virgil Walker, and Scott Aniol discuss a biblical understanding of tongues and whether or not they are an active gift of the Spirit today.
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Thank you for your ministry. As a young girl growing up in a Pentecostal church, I sincerely desired to be saved and be accepted into the family of God. I repented and believed Christ for remission of my sins, yet was told until I spoke in tongues I was not truly saved. This false view is not just unbiblical, but dangerous. Praise God for a true church and pastor where I learned the truth about Jesus and salvation.
Good podcast. Very profitable to the Body of Christ. May God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ continue to bless you and your ministry through the Spirit of God
Virgil hit the nail on the head with his statement, “any doctrine that tosses you to & fro”… that’s exactly the way I see ‘these’ doctrines… confusing, so many misunderstandings, poor & inconsistent hermeneutics. Thanks for your commitment to rightly dividing the Word of Truth!
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Soli Deo Gloria
Thanks for the great podcast.
Even Piper himself acknowledged in one Ask Pastor John on tongues that 1. People in his church were preoccupied with tongues to the extent that tongues were mentioned at the pulpit; 2. Piper doesn't speak in tongues though he really wants that gift. And here's the scoop: he acknowledges that he has made himself speak in tongues and realised it wasn't from God but from himself!!! The same thing happened to me as a young Christian. And that's exactly what all these charismatics are doing, only they don't have Piper's honesty/self awareness.
Simply listening to the gibberish in those churches show it cannot be a tongue: they just repeat the same syllables over and over! As for speaking the tongues of angels, it's so obvious that Paul is using hyperbole. But people are so naive and credulous. They do not test or examine anything. So long as it's spectacular, it goes.
Thank you
“Now, Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I am teaching you to perform, so that you will live and go in and take possession of the land which the Lord, the God of your fathers, is giving you. You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, so that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I am commanding you." - From Deuteronomy 4
Regrettably I will not be able to come to USA, but look forward to the sessions being available on UA-cam. I was charismatic and 'spoke in tongues' until I came to understand the truth - no regrets at holding firmly now to cessationism!. BTW Josh, enjoying your New Calvinism book with Washer et al!
"The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires, take the water of life without cost. I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus." - From Revelation 22.
I want a link to that video they shared at 21:00!
But.... tHe KjV cOrReCtS tHe GrEeK... Great conversation, gentlemen! Thanks for the insight!
It's interesting how they all sound similar although it's gibberish.
@LightThatCigar Friend, you ask God for understanding. Ears to hear, eyes to see. A heart to receive the word and the ability to discern. Iron sharpens iron. I ask God for these things every day so that I don't arrive at any other conclusion other than TRUTH. So that I don't lead someone astray and so that I'm not lead astray. Pray for me, I'll pray for you.
@LightThatCigarI bet it's gibberish
In Germany there is the "Wuppertaler Study Bible" which claims that speaking in tongues was gibberish BUT there was a hearing miracle so that people could hear their own languages through this miracle. and that's why they say that this miracle still exists today. Unfortunately, my almost 80-year-old father also believes that speaking in tongues for self-edification still exists today🙈
Zechariah 10:3-4 (NASB95) 3 “My anger is kindled against the shepherds, And I will punish the male goats; For the LORD of hosts has visited His flock, the house of Judah, And will make them like His majestic horse in battle. 4 “From them will come the cornerstone, From them the tent peg, From them the bow of battle, From them every ruler, all of them together.
I'm sorry, where around 15:28 was the scripture referenced to support his claim?
Watch the cessationist documentary. It’s addressed there. That’s not the focus here and would be too time consuming for such a short video.
@@ReformedNICURNwent looking for the documentary. seeing the only way to watch is to pay up 💰😅
@@ChaosTrade Yeah. Maybe one day it’ll be posted to UA-cam.
I have a genuine question. Could God still use the gift of tongues for someone to share the gospel message with someone of a different language (while you yourself are speaking in your native language) but they hear the gospel message in their native language? My concern with it ceasing is that it leave room for people to not share the gospel with everyone, regardless of what language barriers may lie in their paths. I have never, nor do I pray to speak in tongues, but I do pray the Lord sends someone, anyone my way who needs to hear the gospel and I know and trust if they don’t speak my language, if they are to receive the message he will be my divine interpreter for their eyes to open!
This is a genuine question, if this is sinful and not biblical help me to understand why. I do not listen to anyone from the charismatic movement because of the egregious lack of discipline among themselves.
I praise the Lord for your ministry and for the faithful work you’re doing in the name of the Lord to keep His gospel message going to the ends of the world!!
Is it possible? I suppose, but is it normative? Just like tongues in Scripture, I would suggest it’s not normative. And the main reason I would suggest is that we have the Bible in all languages. Even our phones can interpret so we really are past the point of even the necessity of it as the gospel is validated and complete. Just my 2 cents 😁
It seems everyone who ever "spoke" in tongues eventually admits they were faking it or just following the crowd. The sad part is that all this tongues nonsense of today hurts our witness to a watching world.
32,000 people embrace the Pentecostal experience… 10 million Pentecostals in America, & 644 million worldwide
@@briancopeland1042 Might doesn't mean right, meaning just because there are many doesn't mean it's true. Jesus was not focused on keeping large numbers; Matt 7:14, John 6:66. There are over 1/2 billion Roman Catholics, does that shear number justify their false beliefs and doctrines?
Amen and amen. Paul was obviously using hyperbole in 1 Corinthians 13:1 “If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels,…” Keep in mind that every time angels did speak to man in the Bible, the angels spoke in the language of the men and women they spoke to - mainly Hebrew.
Good point. Thank you.
@@ltilley7343 Welcome :)
Totally agree. Paul often uses hyperbole, including in 1Cor 13.
100% agree
Has anyone read Dr Waldron’s book To Be Continued? I would like to see the cascade arguments interacted with among you guys .
The only problem with the idea of tongues for teaching people in another language/spreading the gospel, is that Paul is clear that in the church he would rather speak words with his understanding than 10,000 words in tongues. Paul also said that when he prays in tongues (by the Spirit) his mind is unfruitful.
By this we know that the speaker does not know what they are saying when they are speaking in tongues, which is why Paul says to pray for an interpretation.
I am not arguing in favor of ecstatic/angel tongues....but we cannot limit tongues to the purpose of teaching and preaching. It was not to be used that way nor could Paul understand what he was saying when he spoke in tongues anyway
Paul teaching that tongues is not for teaching in the church unless it is interpreted:
1 cor 14:12So also you, since you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church.13Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also. 16Otherwise if you bless in the spirit only, how will the one who fills the place of the ungifted say the “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you are saying? 17For you are giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not edified. 18I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; 19however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.
check the Greek for "cease" in 1Cor 13:8, and compare to the gift of knowledge and the gift of prophecy in that passage. Tongues ceases on its own accord, while the gifts of knowledge and prophecy are "done away" by something ("the Perfect"). Since we believe that the revelatory gifts have ceased, then the gifts of prophecy and the gifts of knowledge have ceased... thus, the Perfect must be the completed canon of the word of God.
Amen. Paul saw the final canon of scripture "face to face."
@@AdventureSMBW check Numbers 12:8 ... specifically in the Greek Septuagint.
@@AdventureSMBWl believe face to face means the seeing of Christ not the NT.
@nanaben7701 then you can provide examples of the gifts from church history
@@nanaben7701I'll take any examples of the gifts from church history
Acts 2:17-19 (NASB95) 17 ‘AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,’ God says, ‘THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS; 18 EVEN ON MY BONDSLAVES, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, I WILL IN THOSE DAYS POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT And they shall prophesy. 19 ‘AND I WILL GRANT WONDERS IN THE SKY ABOVE AND SIGNS ON THE EARTH BELOW, BLOOD, AND FIRE, AND VAPOR OF SMOKE.
How do you pray for more than a few minutes without praying with tongues?
I learned about tongues when I went to the ICU to pray for a teen who was hours away from having her plug pulled.
Even though I had dozens of minor healings, I was in over my head with this one.
The Holy Spirit said to pray with tongues until something came to mind and then use words.
I prayed for 3.5 hours in tongues with very few words.
She walked out of that hospital with a full recovery.
It made the news, the doctors called it a miracle.
You say there are only three Bible statements in the NT about speaking in tongues. The apostle Paul thanked God he was praying in tongues more than anyone. Is that different from speaking in tongues? I don´t think so. However there is always a purpose for speaking in tongues in public and that requires interpretation. When there is somebony who knows the language there is even greater testimony to all of the gift of speaking in tongues. as the message is revealed intellectually from a supernaturally achieved source. In my opinions you are teaching a false message about the speaking in tongues and the cessation of this gift.
You’ve misheard what was said. They mentioned there being only 4 texts to look at, 3 of which are in Acts and 1 in 1 Corinthians.
so bizarre
Sam Storms says we are sinning if we don't earnestly desire spiritual gifts, such as tongues. Yet Storms and other charismatic apologists are reluctant to admit that speaking in gibberish, which is what nearly all, if not all, charismatic tongues today is, and attributing that to the Holy Spirit, is blasphemy. God's holiness thus takes a back seat to religious enthusiasm.
There is absolutely nothing mysterious about Biblical "tongues" - and there is only *one* type - when referring to something spoken, they are nothing more than real, rational language(s); usually, but not always, unknown to those listening to them, but always known by the speaker(s) - it’s their native language (in some cases, it is a language the speaker has learned).
_Nowhere_ in the Bible is modern tongues-speech advocated or evidenced.
‘Tongues’ (read, *‘languages’* ) - the divine gift, is the God given ability to effortlessly learn to speak and be understood through real-language barriers. It is not xenoglossy, nor is it the self-created non-cognitive non-language utterance of modern tongues-speech.
This is who i want defining the gift... people who blatantly rebel against the command to "not forbid speaking in tongues." 🙄
The modern "gift of tongues" practiced in charismatic circles bears no resemblance to the biblical gift of tongues. Therefore, that command doesn't apply.
@@cristianpuiulet1519exactly
@@cristianpuiulet1519 speaking in tongues is supposed to be only to God, it's a good thing. I don't have that gift myself but I know it's good. The gift of speaking in tongues is just that, time does not apply.
The Cessationist movement can be summed up thusly:
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2 Tim 3:1-5
These men have a "form of godliness", but we are told to turn away from them.
The tongues movement could be described the same way 😮😅
Benny Hinn. Saying he has a different Gospel, is problematic. (And no I do not believe he is a brother) but if you listen to his gospel presentation, all of the details are their, even repentance / Lord / Saviour, it seems complete. The problem with His Gospel is that is is always on the platform of heightened emotions. Under Benny, you can hardly have clear thinking about sin, and what Christ did for you. You can hardly understand what you are doing when you confess Christ as Saviour because your not sober minded under benny's presentations... its all emotional.
“Unlearned and uneducated” is what the Pharisees said about Jesus’ disciples. You ladies need to find a mirror.