Why the Cessationist Conference Is Necessary | Ep. 100
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- In this episode of the G3 Podcast, Josh Buice, Virgil Walker, and Scott Aniol host Justin Peters to discuss why the Cessationist Conference is necessary for modern evangelicalism.
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As someone who's eyes have been opened by the Lord (Praise you God!), I have completely come out of the charismatic movement. I am so incredibly grateful to have been awakened to that false belief system. And I'm a bit sad that I gave it as many years as I did. I've been there, done that with all the charismatic eisegesis free-for-all and false teachers/prophets/apostles. Thank you gentlemen for all of your ministries - God's Holy Word is enough for me and my heart is so full!
Me too, I was in the WOF/prosperity false gospel for 25yrs.
Praise God for sound podcasts like the G3 Podcast. Blessed way of using modern technology to the glory of God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
I will say with the risk of going off topic, a lack of study on Pneumatology results in this charismatic frenzy that the Church has been experiencing.
I look forward to this very much.....!! Thank you. Blessings from South Africa!
Yes, me too, hello from South Africa
What part of Africa are you in?
Greetings from the Eastern Cape....!
I am so thankful for my intimate relationship with Jesus, through the Holy Spirit. At one time I allowed this kind of teaching to cause me to question the viability of the spiritual gifts in 1 Cor 12-14. I have repented of this teaching and while I continue to never allow anything to be elevated above the Scriptures (a true definition of sufficiency), I enjoy a wonderful relationship with the Lord and remain open to the Spirit’s work in and through His church. We are supposed to be of one mind and one Spirit, yet you brothers keep drawing the line of orthodoxy tighter and tighter- until only you will be in it, which is not a commendation.
I grew up in the charismatic movement, having seen the damage it can do I chose to have nothing to do with it. Our conservative SBC church recently, 3-4 years ago hired a new pastor. He passes all the sniff test, until he introduced Blackaby, including having him speak, twice, in the past few years. So I’ve pulled my family out and parted ways. There’s a decent sized group that has left as well for many of the same reasons that I have. Locally it seems that the best option is a PCA church.
G3 and Justin keep up the good work.
Thank you, gentlemen, for this video and upcoming conference -- I wish I could attend. I want to especially thank Justin for his comments about error leading to more error and the slippery slope from Sam Storms and soft charismaticism to Benny Hinn. In my own walk, I have found that as I come to a deeper appreciation of God's holiness and the sufficiency of Scripture, I also come to a deeper realization that even the most superficially innocent, supposedly uplifting, and innocuous-sounding tidbit of extra-biblical revelation constitutes an egregious violation of the biblical prohibition against blasphemy when it is not actually from God. It is no small matter to say "I feel like God is saying . . ." when He isn't actually saying it, and that should give every "cautious charismatic" pause.
I "feel" like God is saying is placing the trust and possible fault on the person saying it, not God. If anything, putting the responsibility on themselves keeps them from misrepresenting God by saying "God is saying." So if it turns out not to be true, one can simply acknowledge that they were incorrect, and then they can thank God that he kept them from presumptuously speaking in His name. What exactly is the problem there?
“Error begets error.”
There are NO brakes on the slippery slope.
Reformed theology is the brakes. Many of us are continuationists and also Reformed.
You're right. Once you deny that "those who believe in Jesus, the works He did, they will do also," its a slippery slope into more heresy. Very sad.
@@CaseyCovenantreformed hold to the sufficiency of scripture
Thank you for this discussion. At times I believe we fight because we don't understand each other's language as you said. I remember nearly 40 years ago listening to one of our student leaders telling me why they employed a friend of mine into their ministry. He said "I prayed and I thought, prayed and thought. Then suddenly the name came to me'. A charismatic person would have said I prayed and listened to the Lord and God spoke to me. Yes I know there is a lot that is off. I believe whatever God says is within the parameters of scripture. I pray the Lord helps us walk in the truth.
So God is sovereign over all things. but the answer just "came to him" after praying for it and it wasn't God who gave it? Interesting logic..
The Charismatic Movement has definitely left more and more heresy in. I've heard people teach modalism, mormon doctrines, and doctrines they just make up in their head. When the Bible is not your authority then you can say whatever you want.
I am an independent baptist Pastor and this continuation type communication is a problem even among them that claim to be the most fundamental.
I have read few, if any, books that abuse scripture to the extent that “experiencing God” by Henry Blackaby does
I wish I still had my old workbook! We went through it when I first got saved, many years ago now. I barely remember anything about it.
Romans 8:9 (NASB95) However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Pneuma of Theos (Father)
Pneuma of anointing (Christ)
I’d love to come speak to your group about the Gospel of the anointed Jesus!
Thank God for this ministry. From Angola.
🙏
I agree with you about his continuationist views but his end times view is most commendable though.
I hope anybody from G3 can reply back. I suppose every reformed believer knows the story of George Müller, his total dependency on God putting all his faith that God answers prayers of His chosen people. That God still uses people to bless people who have a deeper faith in Him. Does this also ceased? That at this time and age, there is no way God can manifest Himself or He cannot show His presence anymore to us who are humbly crying as we surrender our lives to Him and His ministry? That for some of us who have a broken family that cries for healing and restoration cannot at all see God's righteous right hand to mend our family's broken hearts for my mistakes? That there is still a divine intervention that i will be able to be reconciled with them according to God's proper time. Is our christianity just head knowledge of what the bible says and no impact in our hearts?
The Bible itself has numerous cases of God speaking to his people in various ways. Of course we use the Bible as a guide and filter as to determine what is in alignment with the WOG.
God will guide us through his HS things like Who to marry (or not). The Bible itself won’t tell you that, other than to marry a believer.
These people at the table mistake the Sufficiency of Scripture as somehow exhaustive, in a way that stifles the voice of the spirit that God has put in every believer. It’s the Bible itself that teaches that the HS will guide us where there is no specific direction.
Be a Cessationist if you want, but don’t fool yourself into restricting the use of the WOG in a way that God never intended.
Amen! Excellent comment. Also, people that question God's voice, do you think Satan will tell you to read your Bible, help a certain person, things to do to lead someone to Christ etc. And, do you think God will tell you to do ungodly things? The Bible tells us he talks to us! I don't understand why anyone would question it. Well, I do see Justin Peters telling people that God doesn't speak to us and strangely they believe him! Believe the Bible, not Justin!
Is Romans 8 and 1 Cor 14 in the Bible?
Would love to have you all on the show to discuss.
I would cordially debate any of them from the continualist side
I am talking and plan to speak more on spiritual giftings and how Christians view them. (btw, I'm willing to work with cessationists in the advancement of The Gospel if they can at least agree with the role of The Holy Spirit)
the cessationist conference is not only not necessary, it is REDUNDANT.........over 95 % of the AMerican church is cessationist,.......either in teaching, theory or in practice.
Even if 100% are cessationist what matters is what scripture says. In other words the Bible is more important than your observations about the church.
There are plenty of verses in the Bible which assume continuation of the Spiritual gifts.
1. Acts 2:17ff
2. 1 Corinthians 14 (pretty much whole chapter)
3. 1 Thessalonians 5:20
4. 1 Corinthians 1:7 (this verse parallels and ex[plains 1 Cor 13:8
5. 1 Corinthians 13:8
What are some of your favourite clear and explicit verses which teach cessationism. Similar to my list above?
@@MSA-uj7cpthe doctrine of cessationism originated during the enlightenment period of the 16th century in Europe when intellectual scientific skepticism emerged
@@roseaugatzke7877 >>the doctrine of cessationism originated during the enlightenment period of the 16th century in Europe when intellectual scientific skepticism emerged
I agree 💯 the charismatics are even more dangerous
In addition to Blackaby, I would say the most common avenue for the entrance of continuationist thought/behavior is the music. Even many conservative churches have worship leaders who introduce questionable music. Either the leader has no discernment and just likes the songs, or he feels pressure to play the popular songs. In any case, it is a huge problem in many churches.
I wish you had included all the names of the speakers in the trailer for the conference. They may not be familiar to everyone.
I got saved in the late 80s. I know we went through the Experiencing God book, but I honestly don't recall specifics. It seemed a one time thing. I don't recall that the church got all wrapped up in it or anything.
"When God speaks to you in your quiet time immediately write down what he said."
Did Blackaby mean when God speaks to you from God's Word? Or just some random feeling? I can't remember. I wish I still had the book so I could read it again now that I'm decades older in Christ.
11:31
"And I think with a lot of people it's just they're they're a little careless with the terminology and they don't actually mean that God spoke to them in a direct quotable sense."
YES! I am glad Justin touched on this because I was going to say the same thing. I have never been in Pentecostal churches. My experience has been in basic, non-denominational churches. Taking the example of the man who brought the book saying that the author had said God told him to write it (or however exactly it was worded) sometimes, all people mean is that they felt a deep burden to do something. They don't mean that God spoke audibly to them. Or even in their mind. And they wouldn't claim that their book (or whatever else) is on par with Scripture. This language has become a sort of shorthand.
The thing is, this language is EVERYWHERE. People say they were "called" to be a pastor or "called" to the mission field. So what do you do with that?
I'll have to watch the rest later.
There is one charismatic about which I would have liked to hear comment. The late Derek Prince certainly was an expository preacher. In what ways might his ministry as a continuist position differed from those of modern day charismatics?
If God does NOT speak to us today then how do you explain your own calling to be church leaders? Now God ONLY calls teachers & preachers, but you claim to have heard Him calling you. Perhaps you too are not hearing from Him either.
Exactly where in Holy Scripture do you hang this doctrine of the closing of gifts and prophecy? I can guess I Cor. 13 and perhaps Daniel, but is that enough? You are really advocating that the Church begins with the Spirit and ends with something different. Where the dead body is...there the vultures gather. The Spirit and the bride say, "Come, drink."
Anyone that says God doesn't speak to us is calling him a liar..not a good testimony.
What does sufficiency of scripture have to do with continuationism? You all are just sitting here talking about how God doesnt do or cant do what the Kingdom of God is. God started existence with speaking. His first interactions with Adam and Eve is speaking. He speaks to people throughout the whole Old Testament and this continues through the whole New Testament. At what point does the Bible say it stops? The whole Bible points to God speaking to people. This just stops with canonization without it ever being mentioned once in the canonized scripture? I dont understand how you even land there.
Its a powerful new form of exegesis called "pulling historical inferences out of your butt."
Next time put the intro at the front would hook more people
Why are there so many ads on your videos?
I have a question, the word says when we ask Christ into our lives, He will send us a helper. Doesn’t this refer to the Spirit of Christ that will come and abide in the believers? After Jesus said that he will send a Counselor, he added in V.18: “I will not leave you as orphans; I am coming to you”. John 14:16-18 is based on the premise that Jesus will give up his spirit in death on the cross to make it available to all believers, in order to give us his spirit, he had to separate himself from it and commit it into his Father hand. My question is, isn’t this “Helper” the Holy Spirit? If so isn’t the Holy Spirit part of the Trinity? Doesn’t this “Helper” speak to us and lead us and guide us every day? I’m not a Cessationist, I just have this question. Thanks!
good question
the word says when we ask Christ into our lives, He will send us a helper
where does it say that?
@@tomtemple69John 14:26
Scripture was sufficient before the NT was completed and compiled (2 Tim 3:16). Scripture must be _lived_ / _experienced_ to be of value (Rom 7:6, 2 Cor 3:6). Words on a page of little use.
Additionally, church history is filled with miraculous experiences of God, angels, and the demonic. See, for instance, _Life of St. Anthony_ by St. Athanasius.
They'll tell you that part of church history is all fiction,
so do catholic shrines and relics of saints heal people?
@@tomtemple69 Sometimes, no doubt.
i hope a speaker at your conference exegetes 1Cor 13:8-12... and ties verse 12 to Numbers 12:8 (look at Septuagint to compare)
Don't wait. You should exegete it and post it on your social media page.
@VirgilWlkr great response 👍
@@HearGodsWord no, it's really not. 1) You and Virgil don't know if I've already exegeted this and discussed this passage in many different venues. (i have, for 25 years)
2) I don't have the megaphone that the cessationist conference will have, which is why I want them to discuss the passage. I want someone to take on John MacArthur's interpretation of "the perfect", and show that indeed it is a reference to the finalized word of God.
LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CONFERENCE!! and the great work that the gentleman do who are a part of it
Sorry brother, doubt they will be doing any "exegeting". Usually conferences like this is basically ad hominem attacks against individuals within the Charismatic camp. On the charismatic side there are plenty of clear, explicit verses which assume continuation: Acts 2, 1 Cor 14, 1 Thessalonians 5..... 1 Cor 13:8-12 and so on... (there are more!) But there is NONE on the cessationist side.
None of the clear positive verses in the Bible which assume continuation are discussed in any way by this group of brothers.
If you want to understand 1 Cor 13:8.... a great verse to look at is 1 Corinthians 1:7 (since its in the same book).
1 Cor 1:7 assumes that the gifts continue (not lacking in ANY gift) as we wait for the 'revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ".
This is very helpful because it parallels 1 Cor 13:8, where instead of "face to face' the words used this time is the "revealing of our lord Jesus Christ".
In other words... the face to face in 1 Cor 13 is not referring to the closing of the canon (!!!!!!!! :) ) but the revealing of our lord Jesus Christ.
'face to face (1 Cor 13) is = to 'revealing of the Lord Jesus (1 Cor 1:7). This is a much better fit.
Blessings
@AurelioCortez Virgil said you should post it, which you haven't.
The problem starts because pastors claim they were 'specially and specifically called by God' to preach and teach (self edification/glorification)... so if they don't entertain the idea from hearing God personally then they end up in a position that their 'calling' and power are in question.
I am convinced Justin has been gifted by God, and has been called by disciples, to preach and teach... but he would need to repent from hypocrisy and self glorification if he claimed God called him to preach.
I'm on board!! I'm curious: was the strange fire conference insufficient?
No-one suggests that it was insufficient
Conferences that promote anti-biblical doctrine are never sufficient. They have to keep speaking to their echo chambers to keep everyone from reading their bibles.
@@HearGodsWord I should clarify. By insufficient I meant that strange fire was epic. Thorough, complete, clear, and absolutely Biblical. I just wondered if something was missed, or it didn't penetrate enough. This upcoming conference is vitally important. I guess the response by "adventuresmbw" answered my question! We have to constantly pound home the truth.
@@coreyfleig2139 thanks for clarifying. Totally agree 👍
@@HearGodsWord I just looked at your channel. I appreciate your hard work! Do you know of a website or channel that is really good at keeping up with current events and issues in American Christianity? I commute 3 hours every day, and listen to countless hours of messages, but sometimes I just want to hear what's going on. For example, I will hear Phil Johnson or James White talk about some issue or person, and I would have no clue what they were talking about. how do these guys stay so well informed?!
All cults started due to people saying, 'God told me.'
So did the Bible
@@AdventureSMBW except the Bible was written by people who never got a prophecy wrong and showed real miracles....
Wrong..its: "god told me" 😉
There are plenty of verses in the Bible which assume continuation of the Spiritual gifts.
1. Acts 2:17ff
2. 1 Corinthians 14 (pretty much whole chapter)
3. 1 Thessalonians 5:20
4. 1 Corinthians 1:7 (this verse ex[plains 1 Cor 13:8)
5. 1 Corinthians 13:8
..... there are more!!!!!
What are some of your best clear and explicit verses (similar to my explicit verses listed above) which teach cessationism? thanks and blessings
Prepare for zero comments. Cuz as I'm sure you know, there are none. Its all historical inference.
Name one verse that assumes the holy Trinity? There is more evidence for Cessationism in scripture than there is for the Trinity. Yet the Trinity is an almost universally accepted doctrine within Christendom. So this argument does not hold up.
Saying God doesn't speak to us is calling him a liar!
if you read into the text, yeah you assume continuation
I'll take any examples of the gifts from church history
Cessationists are Christians Reformed or not that are jealous and upset that they dont have the gift of Praying in Tongues or the Gift of Speaking in Tongues and Prophecy. Even Preaching, Teaching, and Faith are Gifts From The Holy Spirit so if Cessationism is correct then their shouldnt be pastors, missionaries, worship ministers and those of The Elect who aren't yet saved shouldnt be given saving faith since that is also a gift from the spirit. I do agree that Charismatics take it too far.
jealous of blasphemers and people who bring reproach on the name of Christ? im just jealous I didn't leave that nonsense sooner
Isn't there a book written by a reformer called Experiencing God?
Prayer is a two way superhighway
Luther, Calvin, Edwards, Spurgeon, you name it and I promise you nobody loves them more. Reformed all the way. Bible all the way. But my goodness, brothers, this little podcast has me scared for you all. Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water! How can you put Sam Storms in the same clip as Steven Furtick? Are you kidding? Your speech reeks of pride and an utterly Western, comfortable evangelical staleness. I am an American who lives overseas, ministering all over Africa and Asia, and let me tell you, you will lose your cessationism in a hurry if you spend some time seeing and experiencing the things that I regularly do. YES, God still speaks today through his Word AND his Spirit. The two are never in tension. The Holy Spirit often prompts people (in accordance with the word) to do things or say things that seem to make no sense to us, but it turns out to be a glorious way that God often breaks through barriers in missions. It’s just a tragedy that you brothers are OVERREACTING to some lunatics like Benny Hinn to this extent. Henry Blackaby’s Experiencing God is on your blacklist? That scares me for you. Are you unable to discern the difference between Hinn and Blackaby? You just write them both off and toss them in the same heretical bin? Look, I agree with almost everything you guys would say about Hinn and Furtick and others. But goodness gracious have some discernment (that comes from the Holy Spirit, by the way).
I guess you feel better for unloading all that anger
The Holy Spirit doesn’t speak outside of His word.
@@HearGodsWord I bet Jesus felt better after flipping over tables and whipping people.
@@Pizarro1689 And you got that from.... where, exactly? (Its not in the word so Im guessing the Spirit told you that somehow..)
Amen! You are 100% right!
My sheep hear my voice!
Yes, I hear God loud and clear in His Word - Clearly with NO human error added.
@@k.popper2620 I guess all those non-apostles in Acts that heard His voice were in error. They shouldve waited for the canonization of scripture to do things like pray for Saul. How sad...
thats not about prophecy...
Are any of you gonna call out John Piper for being a false teacher.? I keep wondering this but it's not happening. And he was at the shepherd conference, which is confusing.
What are your reasons for John Piper being a false teacher exactly?
There's nothing confusing about John Piper being at the shepherds conference
There are plenty of verses in the Bible which assume continuation of the Spiritual gifts.
1. Acts 2:17ff
2. 1 Corinthians 14 (pretty much whole chapter)
3. 1 Thessalonians 5:20
4. 1 Corinthians 1:7 (this verse parallels and ex[plains 1 Cor 13:8
5. 1 Corinthians 13:8
What are some of your favourite clear and explicit verses which teach cessationism. Similar to my list above?
No. They're selective. Im sure Paul Washer isnt a false teacher to them, even thought he's clearly stated, "I dont see, in the scripture, where tongues and those things have ceased" and "I've seen God heal people." And then Ray Comfort is probably good too, even though you can easily find him recounting several dramatic experiences with deliverence. But if you're not in their specific reformed circle and believe those things, then yes, you are definitely a false teacher.
@AdventureSMBW Paul Washer isn't a false teacher. He preaches the Gospel in a very clear and honest and Biblical way. Its seems like people love to throw the phrase 'false teacher' around so much these days that it's almost lost its true meaning.
Are you saying that Scripture was only sufficient after the completion of the cannon, or was it sufficient also before the completion of the cannon? I don't see how the doctrine of the sufficiency of scripture disallows for continuationism. Surely, not all prophecy was for the purpose of becoming scripture. We know of many prophets of whom we don't have their prophecies. Also most evangelicals are waiting for the two prophets mentioned in Revelation. How does that comply with cessationism. I have to say that I don't see the two sides truly engaging with the arguments of their opponents. A lot of speaking past one another seems to be happening. I don't see anywhere in Scripture that God has now limited himself to communication to us exclusively through Scripture, that itself seems to me to be an extrascriptural teaching that proves cessationism is false.
What about the four hundred silent years between the closing of the Old Testament and the inauguration of the New? Are YOU saying that God can't operate in ANY dispensation He chooses? The two witnesses _to come_ are prophecy that has not yet been fulfilled. The fact that there are still prophecies to be fulfilled in no way opens the door for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to say "God told me..." or "I had a dream...." The Canon of Scripture is closed. God has spoken THROUGH HIS WORD. Period.
@@marthaj67What four hundred silent years? Is this a scriptural doctrine? Four hundred years without additional scripture, does not equate with 400 silent years. No, I am not saying "that God can't operate in ANY dispensation He chooses?" Where did that come from? Who is opening the door to anybody? There have always been false prophets and God has given in the Scriptures teaching on how we should test them. The canon of Scripture being closed cannot mean that prophecy is closed, for not all prophecy was to be written down for the edification of future generations. We do not need new Scripture as the faith has been entrusted to the saints once and for all. That does not mean he doesn't use prophecy to reveal people's hearts, or to encourage or warn his children. For example, why do you think it would be a denial of Scripture if God via prophecy today warned a local church of a soon coming famine or war? How would that be a negation of the sufficiency of Scripture. Based on what Scripture could God not do that?
@@daniel-kennethmackenzie1903bingo. And what about Romans 8:14 that says that believers are led by the Holy Spirit? And what the prophetic gifts of the Corinthians? Not one of their prophecies are recorded in the Bible. Yes, I believe in the sufficiency of Scripture. But I also believe that the Holy Spirit will communicate to His people in accordance to God's Word today
@@marthaj67My friend Joan was cleaning her bathroom years ago. God told her, "Stop. Walk to the beach and sit." She put her tools down, walked to the nearby beach and sat. 15 minutes later, a young man walked by. God said, "Speak to him." She introduced herself. He was about to commit suicide and she preached the gospel to him. Around 8 years later, she ran into him. He was converted that day and was a pastor now.
She's an "every tom, dick, and harry." The devil didnt do it. It wasnt a cosmic coincidence. How in the ever-loving flip do you explain something like that, which is nothing short of normal in the book of Acts?
(Watch him tell me im flat out lying about the whole thing. Thats what they usually do)
@@daniel-kennethmackenzie1903the 400 silent years were the 400 years in between the old and New Testament where God didn’t speak through any prophet until John the Baptist
So they are admitting that with all their efforts to fight continuitionism that they are loosing the fight.
It doesn't look like they are though.
@@HearGodsWord there is no fight....the vast majority american christians are cessationists already....either in theory teaching or practice......and I don't need to spend 200 dollars to attend a conference that's going to tell me that God ain't doing nothing today
@@HearGodsWord They will be teaching this doctrine to a room full of people that already agree with them (as always.) That is a big indicator you've lost the fight. They know they can't convince biblical minds, so they keep repeating it to those who already believe like them to make sure they dont leave the fold.
@@AdventureSMBW continuationists could sign up for the conference. They don't choose who turns up. It doesn't mean any fight has been won or lost. That's just a nonsense statement.
Justin Peters does not understand the Gospel!
I dont think thats fair. I think he understands the gospel. He just doesn't understand this topic. Don't do what they do. Call out whats false. Dont make it irrelevantly personal.
I genuinely believe that he completely misunderstands the essence of the Gospel…..
"I would love to attend this conference, but unfortunately, it is halfway across the world."
You do not understand God’s name or the Gospel….
Leonard Ravenhill refuted cessationism.
I've been working with David Ravenhill to publish Leonard's complete works. (coming very soon btw ;) - Leonard Ravenhill is THE preacher every cessationist needs to spend time absorbing.
@@AdventureSMBW wow! I'd love to purchase it when it's been published! What's the title? I'm currently reading In Light of Eternity by Mack Tomlinson and love it!
@@dd41283"The Complete Works Of Leonard Ravenhill." It will be the perfect companion to the biography. The same size and everything. They look great together on a shelf
@@AdventureSMBW you really do enjoy making a lot of comments hating on these men
this is sad
get rid of that hateful heart
Cessationism is a doctrine of ignorance. The scriptures themselves teach that God gives grace to every member of the body when they are baptised into the body by the Holy Spirit. Read the scriptures. Read them. Read 1 Corinthians 12, read Ephesians 4. Read Romans 12. If you choose to reject the gifts of God that HE GIVES, you reject His grace to function in the body of Christ.
So Lloyd-Jones is at the beginning of the video. You should throw him out. He was not a cessasionist. Sorry guys, but building a ministry on negativity only is very destructive.
Sad that so many good bible teachers are for some reason cessationists. Sad and strange.
maybe thats a sign you aren't seeing lol
Also you don't believe the Bible you use so many translations you don't believe you have God's perfect Word in your hands Bibles with notes brackets doubting that is in the original like I said I agree about the charismatics but your stand on Reformation theology and the Bible is wrong
If G3 can show from Scripture alone where any Spiritual Gifts are done away with then i will listen. not your version of what you think it says.
Come one come all to watch some men in ill fitting suits twist and contort the Scriptures!
We promise to chop down the Spirit of God to fit our Procrustean bed.
We promise to tell you about all the things God is NOT doing. He is there and He is silent!
Sola Scriptura except for the parts about earnestly desiring the gifts of the Spirit! Don’t worry, no women will be talking at all!
Guaranteed to not pray for your healing and not pray for your prosperity! Only $300!
Cessationism isn't biblical.
They know. Thats why they won't have any continualists at the conference to debate them.
Where did my comment go? Ya'll, (it looks like) they deleted my comment for saying i would challenge them at their conference. If you can't be challenged on something, prolly shouldn't hold a conference about it.... 😂😂😂😂😂 Ok.. INVITE me to debate at your conference formally, so you can actually prove your case and not just enjoy an echo chamber. (Watch this comment get deleted)
make a video
a person who makes mario gaming videos is trying to debate theology 😂😂😂😂
It is rather interesting that when they brought up Dr. MICHAEL BROWN, They did not play his words, because it will be something they cannot refute.
Brown has been refuted. Go look at American Gospel.
@@HearGodsWord You can always have something to say. But it will not be true. And that is Cessationism is pushing. You can prove Cessationism from Scripture , History or experience. It is all together a strawman case they make.
@samuellundin5328 I guess you didn't go and look 🙄
@@HearGodsWord I read or listened to all the best arguments of Cessationism. It does not convince me. Can you provide your best argument ? Let me respond.
@samuellundin5328 so you still can't show any words from Brelpwn that they cannot refute? I suggested where you could go to listen and you didn't do that either.
Cessationism and Calvinism is false doctrine.
ok false prophet
@@tomtemple69 where does it say prophets have ceased from the scriptures?
I’ll wait.
@@ProphetGreg94 ok prophet, tell me what's false about Calvinism? did you get a new revelation from God about it?
@@tomtemple69 you don’t want to answer my question? Is it because there is no justification for it? Calvinism doesn’t understand election. They think it refers to something it doesn’t. They think in Romans 9 it refers to God choosing to damn people before eternity past. It speaks of old covenant Israel whose end was prophesied of in the law. They were vessels of wrath for the day of wrath, announced by John the Baptist, Paul, and Jesus. Wrath came on them for “all the blood of Abel to Zechariah” and came “on that generation” at the second coming of Jesus Christ in 70ad, at the fall of Jerusalem and destruction of their temple. This was announced at the inception of the Jewish convent world by Moses in the song of Moses-“if only they knew what their end would be.” It wasn’t before the cosmos 😂 reading western ideas into the text! This was regarding the first century. Not those thereafter. Bible was written for you, not TO YOU. Basic principle of audience relevance. 🤦🏽♂️
@@tomtemple69 no, I just understand proper exegesis. You guy’s think that Romans 9 refer to God having predestined people to help before the world began, when it is speaking about corporate Israel whose destruction was foretold at the start of the Jewish world and was fulfilled in 70ad at the second coming of Jesus, at the passing of the first heavens and earth.
This is nothing more than a demonic conference. If the disciples need the power of the Holy Spirit to bring healing to church & gospel to the world how much more we need as fragile, weak Christians in this era.
It's interesting that God himself is confused, according to you guys. Who rules your lives? I suppose that Jesus appearing to people of Islam is false as well. Yes, God's word is without error, but I'm afraid you're extremely limiting his abilities. Period. Do you not ever get wisdom from God when you ask him in your time of need? I feel sorry for all of you. I really do. Justin prays to God not expecting an answer? Now that is absolutely sad. I mean, sad. Your version of religion is nothing more than " False humility ".
I don't think you know these men by you saying they seem to be limiting the ability of God. These are men that believe strongly in God's sovereignty and his sovereign nature over his creation.
These are the men that believe in high view of God and believe God still does miracles but not through the charlatans you and others listen to.
Please give us couple of examples of dreams you've had. Sometimes you have dreams about things that has been on your mind or things you've listened to or watch. If you come to Christ because of dreams good for you but don't expect you will be seeing things in your dreams all the time.
@@john318john This person didn't say anything about experiencing dreams.
@@john318john I didn't claim to have any dreams.
@tomfish1285
"Justin prays to God not expecting an answer?"
I missed that. Please provide the time stamp where he said that.
11:01-11:06 Peters says that many Southern Baptists now pray to God expecting to hear back from Him, which is wrong in his view. Wow. Scary stuff from Peters. Now THAT sounds heretical to me.
The Word of Faith movement is not the charismatic moment. That’s how ignorant these preachers are.
Cessationism is false. They say that God still do miracles.