The TRUTH About Icing Injuries?
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- Опубліковано 20 гру 2023
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As stated in the video - I’d be happy to have a discussion with Squat U about the efficacy of icing injuries, but I’m more interested in knowing why he’s purposely being misleading.
There is literature (albeit limited) about the topic that we could discuss. Here's a blog from a trustworthy source for those interested: www.painscience.com/articles/icing.php
„studys have shown“ is the new „trust me bro“
Studies have shown that people who use the phrase “studies have shown” are often wrong
Ice generally helps with inflammation and pain. It has no benefit for healing. You need blood flow for healing and ice decreases blood flow. I have noticed incredible recovery rates after discontinuing the use of ice after injury
To not use cold at all makes no sense to me.
The cold is to prevent swelling and reduce pain. Reducing both helps with transitioning into movement sooner. You just have to alternate with heat to counter the negative effects of cold. I do 15min cold > 15min heat (repeat as needed) and always end with heat. Then after the initial state, 1-3 days depending on injury severity, you can skip the cold and just do movement & heat until full recovery.
Too much inflammation for too long delays healing. It’s all about it timing, type of injury and how long u apply it.
All I can is, I had a terrible back injury. I used cold and hot therapy as advised by the doctor (cold first). Which worked remarkably well.
I have had loads of impact injuries from skateboarding and ice packs and a hot water bottle is the best way to take the sting out of a bad one.
how do you differentiate that from plain old healing due to time passing? respectfully, this kind of anecdote is useless
@@santyx_eorrr Usually from the amount of injuries that have been picked up and how quickly they hung around for. Hip injuries were the most common. Icing was okay, hot bath was amazing, doing both was the best by far to take the sting out of the tail.
@@santyx_eorrr that's a fair argument. However, the pain was really bad before the application of cold and hot. So I could see a clear recovery when I started doing it.
I love this channel and SquatU. Kelly Starett has also talked about icing on his channel, he has a long interview on it. Worth watching.
This is kind of like him saying that the correct way of performing deadlifts shouldn’t recruit the spinal erectors because of the Dr. McGill study using pig spines, when most meta-analysis and systematic reviews show that it’s the opposite - spinal erectors are recruited. Despite being a great PT at assessing injuries and treating them, he should really be more up to date on his academical background and science based treatments rather than relying on ideological arguments surrounding a hypothesis.
i used to follow squat university. however at a certain point he turned much more mainstream if i can say so. he focused on trivial topics and honestly i feel like his videos were turning clickbaity just to generate views. since then i have stopped following him and watching his videos.
I love this, if someone is misleading based on a couple of studies its hardly conclusive and shouldn't be presented as such. Especially since the methods of the study didnt even involve humans
Bro tryna scrap with the algorithm lol. Your videos are super helpful to me so I wont hate on your growth strategy. Godspeed
thank you for putting in the work to add context to this claim
I asked the same. Even left a comment on his video. I’ve played soccer for over 30 years competitively and trained thousands of people. I see I’m not the only one. Great video as always.
This is interesting
A discussion video with the both of you would be educational
Whether it's our podcast or in-person, the invitation for discussion remains open (about any topic).
Effect of ice is explained by the gait - control theory , as nearly all passive treatments act ( Heat , electrotherapy, ultrasound, laser ). It helps to temporarily alleviate an acute pain , but doesn’t help later in the rehab in healing progress. Only as a physical “painkiller”. This is my opinion as a 4th grade physio student.
What I understood from squat u videos about using ice is that the latter brings advantages to the healing process only if applied after the injury, days after it doesn’t make sense
I've heard the key here is to limit cold exposure so that it increase blood flow and repair process, which it does if exposed for too long. Anecdotally I've success with calming down local inflammation with applying ice 3 times for 5 mins with a min break. I'm pretty sure it helped because the issue was very old and was fixed right after I did that
Ice helped me with my FAI and small muscle tears around my glute
Fact checking! Yes!! Love it! So satisfying 😁
Icing is done in the first 3 days to limit inflammation, then you start the Physio afterwards
Hmmm… interesting. I’d like to see a video of you talking about this and other stuff :)
My understanding has always been(I could definitely be wrong) that the inflammation is a part and sign of healing. So when you ice an injury, it will reduce pain through reduction in inflammation, and reduce pain due to numbing of the area. I haven’t done any deeper research into the topic, but it would be interesting to hear more.
True. but chronic inflammation is bad for you and over long period of time detrimental to your lifespan. In mamy cases reducing inflammation may delay healing but its for the better
@@aguywithastethoscopeBut how many people have chronic inflammation? I think this one's more about icing injuries and actue inflammation as a part of the natural healing process
shots fired in the last line. I would like to see this conversation between you. Or between you and Jeff
What about icing a chronic injury that swells?
That is disgusting and cruel. Poor rats.
The is an ongoing problem with this particular individual.
In my experience he's knowledgeable on movement patterns and muscle imbalances, but this topic seems outside of what he should be talking about.
I see this a lot unfortunately, an influencer gains followers due to their expertise on a specific topic, and then they go on to spew their point of view on topics they have no business talking about. Jordan Peterson is another prime example, just making controversial statements on topics way outside his expertise.
Sadly i think squat uni won't respond
This channel is the best pt channel
Putting ice on acute injuries is only effective and good to do if you plan on icing it for multiple hours. Some people only do it for 10-20 minutes and think they're good now but that will worsen the cause. You should instead compress it tightly from the injured joint to the next joint and elevate it. You want to avoid blood rushing to the injury to not worsen the inflammation. So that brings me back to the ice, if you only ice it for a couple of minutes or half an hour, as soon as you remove the ice your body will naturally react by wanting to heat up the cold spot on it so more blood will rush towards the cold spot to heat it up and thus also rush blood to the inflammation which we want to avoid. And now since most people won't ice the injury long enough, 2-3 hours, it's better off to skip it completely cause it will do more worse than good in that case.
Compress, elevate, rest, then optimal load and rehab.
But I would love to hear your take on it or anybody else knowledgeable on the subject. Have a good weekend and Merry Christmas!
2 to 3 hours makes sense with a gradual lesser amout little by little. thx 4 the tip!
Have a look at Kelly Staretts interview on use of ice on his channel. Also have a look at his advice on long periods of compression.
I found you on Reddit in the physical therapy subreddit shiting on squat U and life feels like a lie lol
Adam meakins would have a field day
I’m currently icing my leg because my horse tripped me and stepped on it 😭
Real question: first I only watch e3 and squat U. Aaron is honest and kind and wants to help people as you do. Why not just talk to him offline or collaborate or discuss online. Why try to do a take down video like this with someone whose isn’t bad for the industry? Really saddens me you do this.
So wtf do u we do? Lets say 2 situations
1. Ankle sprains
2. Patellar tendinopathy
@squat university
I have ued heat and ice both. Sometimes heat feel good and helps, sometimes ice does. Its great for pain reduction. Like most things, use moderation and dont go overboard.
This is why you cant listen to everything on the internet. All professional players doesn't matter what sports still use to control inflammation after iniuries... Trust me ice has always been effective. People dont sit in an ice tub after hard training or games cos its fun 🤦
This is one of those cases where the (alleged) scientific conclusion is so far off my own lived experience that I never took it seriously. I know what it's like to have a contusion,I know what it feels like to put some ice on it. No amount of literature is going to convince me it doesn't alleviate pain and reduce swelling
@@jbarnzBut isn't that the point reduce pain & swelling so you can start strengthen the damaged muscles/tissue to promote healing??
@@jbarnz Well they're missing the point is what I'm saying. You can't start doing all the things that promote healing to the tissues if you don't get the pain and swelling down...
Eh... i worked for an academic reasearcher for a minute and found it took me about two years (with intensive effort & guidance) to develop a basic, purely utilitarian grasp of materials and methods relevant to her area of expertise - no real nuance or discernment on my part... and I still couldn't have witten a good-passing exam, in spite of functionally auditing two of her courses twice.
Gonna swing wildly from a limb, and speculate that squatU hasn't spent much time embedded in academia, and therefore makes a lot of rookie mistakes (I know I sure as flip did). Interpreting data takes specific traing. I doubt he knows why he's doing it incorrectly.
Icing after sucks
Didn’t the literature recently show an updated protocol with the acronym of PEACE and LOVE that does not include icing after injury?
Squat U = TikTok medical advice
This is definitely misleading and false information, but the idea of applying the RICE principle is still up for debate
I don't disagree. People in the comments seem to think I'm defending ice. I don't care if someone decides to intermittently use ice for 10 minutes at a time or not. I just think he's purposely being misleading because it makes for a nice sound bite.
Definitely ice injuries !☝☝☝
The PEACE and LOVE protocol for healing removed ice. It's not just one article.
And that article also has no references demonstrating harm associated with ice.
Squat university is a rat lol!
It appears to me as though this fellow wants to appear to be authoritative.
Im losing trust in everything gawd damn
Dude same lol and it makes it even more difficult for me since I have multiple injuries I’ve been trying to heal for the past 3 years