JP Bouvet on Improvising, Flow, and RhythmBot
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- ○ RhythmBot: rhythmbot.app
○ JP Bouvet: www.jpbouvetmusic.com
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JP Bouvet is an incredible drummer and wise dude. He recently released a practice tool called RhythmBot, which fulfills a need I've been searching for in an app for years. In this interview, we speak about his approach to improvisation, the learning process, and much more. I really enjoyed this conversation!
0:00 What is RhythmBot?
1:28 Learning to Improvise
7:50 Stages of Learning (Conscious vs. Flow)
11:12 Applying RhythmBot in Practice
14:27 Language & Subconscious Learning
23:49 Psychology & Drumming
30:09 "Not Thinking" & Flow State
36:34 Conclusion
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Lots of inspiration from JP here on how to use RhythmBot in the practice room → ua-cam.com/video/nEkqaMsbWt0/v-deo.html
Jamie from RhythmBot here 👋, I’m very excited for you all to check this out! Send me some feedback through the app and let me know how you get on
Great work, Jamie! I've dreamed about having something similar in an app for ages to replace piles of books to practice reading. Glad you went ahead and actually did it! I will definitely be using this in my own practice.
Hey bro. I saw your app this morning before work and then gave it a go with some of my junior students. It worked really well! I’m so used to writing out rhythms for them myself and then generator made it so much more efficient. I just did the basic rhythms as they’re all quite young and green, but I’m excited to see what I can do with the app in my own practice time. Thank you so much for the innovation, bro! 🙌🏻
I wish we had a podcast with you two just throwing these kinds of topics back and forth! So interesting, thanks for the video!
Man, thanks to both of you!! This feeling of knowing stuff but somehow not being able to "say"it, or to speak freely behind the drums set with melodic ideas is something that is not discussed enough ! This was super enlightening in many ways!
I can totally relate to this idea of thinking of drumming as a language…So far I learned how to say “Me happy play drum!”
JP BOUVET YES YES YES! I CANT WATCH THIS RIGHT NOW BUT HYPE
I love this interview! Especially the part of applying paradiddles in music since it exposes the fact that most exercises or rudiments are a means to an end instead of just the element itself. Just like with playing something simple like 8 on hand, the end goal isn't to learn how to incorporate 8th notes into a piece of music but instead to give you a framework for what think about while you play 8th note passages, apart from working on your timing and flow.
Thank you so much for this video Shawn! JP is such an inspiring drummer, musician and person
This app is teaching me how to read charts!!!
This is the collab we wanted/needed right now 😂, so epic Shawn and JP!!!
love your work!!
Thank you very much, guys!
A lot of inspiration for anyone who's making music, not just drums.
Super helpful!
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Great interview! JP is absolutely amazing!
Great stuff JP !! What a great program . Great job proud of you . Love you brother.
This is such a valuable conversation, so much insight!
Great information here - thank you Shawn and JP! You both are fantastic drummers, supernice guys and always very inspiring... 👍🏼 Keep it up and all the best! Jochen 🥁
Really great interview!
Great video thank you 🙏
thanks for this! huge well of inspiration...
Love this , move chunks thru grid -also the input type learning... dig all! Especially can’t “ think your way “ to play drums or dance - muscle memory -I’m older bass player and struggle with independence on piano and drums , as 50 years of bass study and playing so linear , one note generated by both hands to deliver 1 note (typically) so much harder to play a Bach invention on piano now than at age 15
Great interview!!
I enjoyed the views on language learning and music. I’m currently learning Japanese through immersion/input. I’m also a film composer. The differences and similarities between music and language learning are very interesting.
I’ve always thought of drumming as kind of language, which you can break down in to paragraphs, sentences, words, and syllables. Different genres are different languages. It’s a pretty obvious analogy, but that’s how I imagine it in my mind. So when I practice, I’m trying to find words I’ve never said, and make up words no one has ever said. Then see how I can fit those in to sentences and larger paragraphs.
I’d be curious to see actual speeches, like, grand, moving, famous speeches, analyzed rhythmically, to see how dynamics and syllable sizes convey meaning and profundity. Granted, Drumming is vastly different than speaking, since you don’t have 4 mouths, but you do have four limbs.
Really interesting.
Great video Shawn! Just something interesting to note. In the “Language & Subconscious Learning” segment, when you were talking about learning language through input. Check out what Victor Wooten says on this exact topic with relation to learning music.
Thanks Sia! I saw Victor at a clinic and read his book years ago. I'll have to check his stuff out again and refresh my memory. :)
Amazing topics, Shawn! You should do more podcast like stuff.
Is it weird that I immediately downloaded the app and played with it for over an hour before I watched the video.
Is JP writing some ideas down at 15:40? What an organized guy!
What is "thinking"? Maybe it's just this verbal thinking we do when chaining strings of words that map to concepts together. Maybe it's not something your brain does to implement what someone might verbalize as "the meaty thwack" (which contains no meat products, and has a sonogram significantly different to the one "thwack" has). Or maybe that's also "thinking"?
Consider a session it's essential to count out. The drummer verbalises the noises corresponding to some set of small integers. One, Two, Three! (I'll just keep it at my level I think). But the count has very little to do with the performance. And while you're using your verbal mind to count, it's difficult to simultaneously verbally specify something like, "and now catch the edge of that cowbell just at the point where the klonk gets all nice and round". The count switches all that off. But you have to be "thinking", surely. The mind is still in control; it's just not under control of slow-motion thought-helpers like the noises that map to that bronze thing that goes klonk, or KLOK, or Toc. The mind is in control, and it's operating in "direct mode" (maybe) as far as the actual business of complying to the request for more cowbell goes. If you had to verbalise every detail that matters you'd have to drum really slowly.
But maybe that's not properly called "thinking"? Might seem a hair-splitting, but I think it might matter, this overall model of what counts as "thinking" (and then what counts as something else I don't have a name for - maybe "flow" - "unthinking" brain activity - where the brain is nevertheless fully in command.
My own bias is toward considering all of it to be "thinking". And also I have this suspicion that even when it comes to language, there's even a mode the very competent language users go over to, in which they're not "thinking" about things like their word choices (or maybe let's say on the "generator side" - afterwards when you chop it all up, it all turns verbal).
If it's all thinking, though, maybe flow is not different from symbolic thought? In the one case the output is a flow of symbols; in the other case, the output is a flow of well-measured cowbell thrashes and tickles. To drum well, you don't want to have to wait for the symbols to first map to the toCKs and taKs your stick must make. It's better if your hand just does that, itself, and your ear monitors the quality of the noises directly (without you having to sit there trying to think up onomatopoeic non-words to match what your ear is already coping with just fine).
I mean the "ear" that is located inside the brain, not the mechanical contraption down the hole in the middle of the flappy things.
Just in case I didn't express this clearly enough, maybe counting is just a way of making your "inner dialog" shut up and get out the way? Of ensuring that you don't mess things up by "thinking"?
Google is completely confounded by the name. Even with quotes, it tries to find RYTHM's discord bot.