MEINL Cymbals Unboxing & Demo

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  • Опубліковано 3 тра 2024
  • So stoked to join the MEINL artist roster! Been playing them for forever and LOVE these cymbals. Links below! (Sweetwater affiliate links)
    PART I: ESSENTIALS
    0:00 Intro
    0:38 16" Byzance Extra Dry Medium Thin Hi-Hats imp.i114863.net/P07zYX
    1:20 22" Byzance Extra Dry Thin Ride
    2:16 18" Byzance Jazz Extra Thin Crash imp.i114863.net/x9YJoA
    3:19 12" Stack (Classics Custom Trash Splash x 2) imp.i114863.net/Jr7kQr
    PART II: SECRET SAUCE (don't tell anyone)
    4:48 22" Byzance Tradition Flat Ride
    5:49 20" Byzance Traditional Extra Thin Hammered Crash imp.i114863.net/mg6Zze
    6:33 8" Mini Hi-Hats:
    ◦ 8" Byzance Dark Splash (top) imp.i114863.net/n1OoN6
    ◦ 8" Classics High Bell (bottom) imp.i114863.net/Gj6GnV
    7:17 8" Classics Bells (High & Medium)
    *note: Classics bells are now HCS Bronze
    ◦ High Bell: imp.i114863.net/Gj6GnV
    ◦ Medium Bell: imp.i114863.net/ZdkBXq
    PART III: NEW STUFF
    7:43 Unboxing
    8:56 22" Byzance Foundry Reserve Light Ride imp.i114863.net/7mzXKA
    9:54 16" Classics Custom Trash Stack imp.i114863.net/rnYEe5
    11:09 14" Byzance Jazz Thin Hihats
    12:17 20" Byzance Vintage Equilibrium China imp.i114863.net/Yg5B1J
    13:53 The big stack
    ◦ 18" Byzance Vintage Trash Crash (top) imp.i114863.net/vnYDbO
    ◦ 18" Byzance Extra Dry Trash Crash (bottom) imp.i114863.net/NK7GPv
    PS: this mounts best on an X-hat type stand
    14:37 14" Byzance Traditional Medium Hihats imp.i114863.net/6baoAK
    15:42 18" Byzance Extra Dry Dual Crash imp.i114863.net/doXnLM
    16:18 20" Byzance Extra Dry Thin Crash imp.i114863.net/kjY4Qn
    17:14 22" Byzance Jazz Monophonic Ride imp.i114863.net/NKd4z7
    🎶 MUSIC IN THIS VIDEO 🎶
    SUNGAZER
    ◦ Spotify: spoti.fi/2sdTSJ5
    ◦ Bandcamp: sungazermusic.bandcamp.com
    PLS.TRIO
    ◦ Spotify: sptfy.com/6XnS
    ◦ Bandcamp: plstrio.bandcamp.com
    DYED IN GREY
    ◦ Spotify: sptfy.com/6XnT
    ◦ Bandcamp: dyedingrey.bandcamp.com
    💥 LINKS 💥
    🎵 My Meinl artist profile: meinlcymbals.com/en/artists/s...
    🥁 Transcriptions + Drumless Tracks: www.shawncrowder.com
    🎼 Patreon: / shawncrowder
    👕 Merch: teespring.com/stores/shawn-cr...
    📷 Instagram: / shawncrowder

КОМЕНТАРІ • 112

  • @ShawnCrowder
    @ShawnCrowder  2 роки тому +24

    Here's a link to my Meinl artist profile with setup info (for new cymbals check video description, though!) meinlcymbals.com/en/artists/shawn-crowder-a55909.html

  • @marshaltito7369
    @marshaltito7369 2 роки тому +132

    I love Meinl and the cymbals sound great but the tuning and microphoning of the drums is just phenomenal.

    • @poopyjoe7883
      @poopyjoe7883 2 роки тому +3

      yeah man, that kick makes me feel things

  • @purplpasta
    @purplpasta 2 роки тому +83

    Only Sungazer can make 7/4 music that sounds so normal that you can even use it as a background song

    • @ShawnCrowder
      @ShawnCrowder  2 роки тому +41

      Sungazer is the best background music 😂

    • @ertugrulkaraduman5008
      @ertugrulkaraduman5008 2 роки тому +1

      And King Gizzard can do that too!

    • @HieronymousLex
      @HieronymousLex 2 роки тому +2

      @@ertugrulkaraduman5008 there’s thousands of bands and artists who have done it. 7/4 isn’t even that weird.

  • @thomasmoje5926
    @thomasmoje5926 2 роки тому +10

    14" thin jazz hats and 22" jazz monophonic ride my faves out of this group. Meinl sure has come a long way. I have a 22" Byzance Vintage Pure light ride that I really like..excellent stick definition, dry but just enough 'wash', and it crashes well. Most of my cymbal collection is Zildjian but that Vintage Pure light ride is one of my favorite cymbals.

    • @idrumlikecrazy9802
      @idrumlikecrazy9802 Рік тому

      I have the 22 monophonic and the 22 VPLR as well. You’re absolutely right about the vintage pure. Absolutely the most fun ride cymbal to play in my opinion. It’s just so responsive.

  • @gnunezmusic
    @gnunezmusic 2 роки тому +10

    Hey dude, I just figured that I've never seen a video of you just genuinely nerding on cymbals/gear in general. Please keep 'em coming!
    Also, congrats for the new Meinl endorsement!

  • @bendertvandijk7275
    @bendertvandijk7275 2 роки тому +7

    Gotta love the arithmophobia reference at 14:25 I see what you did there!

    • @ShawnCrowder
      @ShawnCrowder  2 роки тому +1

      Haha, just improvising but I guess it came out pretty much the same.

  • @quartzofcourse
    @quartzofcourse 2 роки тому +3

    Before watching I didn’t know all the different textures and styles cymbals could even have, really cool to hear that all

  • @timmydodd1978
    @timmydodd1978 2 роки тому +8

    Beautiful cymbals! Congratulations on the endorsement. They are just as lucky to have you as you are to be a part of Meinl. ❤️

  • @mellowtron214
    @mellowtron214 2 роки тому +8

    I played Sabian HH/HHX for a decade, mostly out of habit, then I found a Meinl dark ride for 200$ on clearance at guitar center and decided I’d try it out.
    Now, 2 years later…
    Ive got the 20” EQ China, 18” dual, hand hammered, and extra thin jazz crashes (all 18) the 22” dark ride, and a 21 prototype ride which is some kinda crash ride with lathing on the bell and the bow, 2 6” splashes, 8” dark splash, Gartska hats, and a 16” dual China.
    Meinl makes the most *all around aesthetically pleasing cymbals I’ve found.* They sound a bit odd hearing them for the first time, but once you hear them in context of a full kit and onward to a full band, they sound amazing. And they record beautifully.
    So, if you hit one in a music store and it doesn’t seem right in that context, buy it and go play it in your kit and you will know. They fill a very different sonic range from Paiste, Sabian, or Zils. Once you’ve heard it, it’s hard not to drop a grand on a few more.

    • @MusicandTractors
      @MusicandTractors 10 місяців тому

      This comment is 100% on. I was testing out the 18 inch dual crash by itself and just didn’t care for it. Tried it twice and after 2 recommendations from friends to get the cymbal. Found one used so I took a chance. It sounds perfect with the 20 inch extra thin hand hammered and I could t be happier with the sound in context with a full kit and music. I have since fully switched from zildjian.

  • @oximoros888
    @oximoros888 2 роки тому

    your kick sound is absolutely amazing! the best!

  • @Fogeti
    @Fogeti 2 роки тому +5

    absolutely love the editing in these videos

  • @SimonRileyDrums
    @SimonRileyDrums 2 роки тому +1

    Just found your channel and I love the audio and cinematic quality behind your content! I always appreciate creators and drummers that dabble in more than just the percussive aspects of our craft. Great video and glad this came across my feed!

  • @carbonnabis
    @carbonnabis Рік тому

    it's incredible how mics love these cymbals. great job on the review!

  • @xyzyzx1253
    @xyzyzx1253 2 роки тому +8

    Watching you play some of the grooves from the new sungazer album is such a pleasure :)

  • @TheSteelDialga
    @TheSteelDialga 2 роки тому +4

    Jesus Shawn, I thought this was gonna be a simple unboxing video. The production on this is amazing! I'm not super into drumming (I play occasionally), but this is really entertaining. Thanks for going all out man

  • @DomPalombiMusic
    @DomPalombiMusic 2 роки тому +3

    Man I nerd out so much seeing videos like this, which I also find interesting we both only use so many drums, yet a plethora of cymbals 😂
    Love this video man, making me think I need to do the same!

  • @andrewwarrendrums8969
    @andrewwarrendrums8969 2 роки тому +1

    Amazing Video Man! Congrats on your endorsement! MEINL ALL THE WAY!

  • @TSANOOvlogs
    @TSANOOvlogs 2 роки тому

    Mmmmmmmmmmm I just LOVE these cymbals. You were explaining how why you love your extra dry ride (old setup) and it made me think of my own byzance ride. Saved up enough money in my last years of high school to buy my ride and still i adore that thing. So much.
    The new cymbals sounds great. I had forgotten how much I can love the sound of some good cymbals

  • @hannesdrumss
    @hannesdrumss 2 роки тому +7

    I fell in love with the 16“ CC Trash Stack back in early 2020. It‘s the first Meinl cymbal I ever owned and I still love it. It is versatile, you can ride on it, you can use it for accents and they can be a second hihat. Good to see you enjoy them as well! You deserve the endorsement!!!

  • @SingSkateScream
    @SingSkateScream 2 роки тому

    thanks for the video man! sick stuff!

  • @brettclurdrums
    @brettclurdrums 2 роки тому +1

    Bro this is my dreeeeeeam to have this many cymbal options. Enjoyed every second of this video. Congrats on becoming a Meinl artist! They seem to be such a great company with drummers that push on social media platforms.

  • @ahreuwu
    @ahreuwu Рік тому

    I don't know anything about drumming or cymbal sound qualities or anything, but I absolutely loved this video. Stellar editing, the format is very good and I like seeing your enthusiasm when talking about a product you clearly like (and then actually playing with them!)

  • @Powerhauze
    @Powerhauze 2 роки тому +1

    Nice..!!! Never heard your music before...but I use most of these cymbals, which is how I received this video. Great sound, great music & great playing! I guess thanks to Meinl😉

  • @jc3drums916
    @jc3drums916 2 роки тому +1

    The 8" splash/high bell combo was what Benny Greb used when he was using a larger setup (like in his first DVD). When he switched to his current 4 hi-hat/2 tom setup, he moved it to his left (it has since been replaced by a prototype hi-hat). He used an 8" electro stack china/high bell combo where he now has the crasher hat.

  • @Nate_Higgins
    @Nate_Higgins 2 роки тому

    Wow! Very nice choices.

  • @thomasmoje5926
    @thomasmoje5926 2 роки тому

    Meinl sure has come a long way..I purchased a Meinl Byzance 'Vintage Pure' 22" light ride a couple of years ago it has become one of my favorite cymbals: great stick definition, crashes well, good bell sound nice dry dark sound it has enough 'wash' but doesn't get away from you with fast stick patterns.

  • @anthmartin5072
    @anthmartin5072 2 роки тому

    I'm a meinl guy too
    Was previously die hard Paiste but like you I'm loving my Byzance Extra Dry crashes along with my Byzance Raw Bell Ride and my 14 Byzance Dark hihats. I got a 10" Byzance Extra Dry splash for accents which is superb.
    Great video, thoroughly enjoyed sharing the unboxing joy with you 😀

  • @piemanmusic
    @piemanmusic 2 роки тому

    Thank you algorithm - radonkulous playing great content. Subscribed.

  • @fabio.n4458
    @fabio.n4458 2 роки тому

    great video!

  • @soysantim
    @soysantim 2 роки тому +1

    That 16 trash stack sounds lovely, and Macchina it's my favorite Sungazer song, so everything from 9:55 to 11:07 was awesome.

  • @Ds_Drums
    @Ds_Drums 2 роки тому

    So many cool sounds. I looking for a dark flat ride myself, for jazz. Preferably crashable. The stack I just saw and now I want one, just cuz. I find a reason after I get it. Thanks for posting I will check out me some meinl. I normally a Paiste guy and own a nice set of Zildjians too but think it time to broaden me horizons. Thanks again.

  • @fractalsauce
    @fractalsauce 2 роки тому

    Just sent this video to my drummer so he knows what cymbals to get. Thanks!

  • @pierreg8562
    @pierreg8562 2 роки тому

    Great Taste! The foundry ride is impressive. If you haven’t tried it you should try the 20” vintage crash, it’s not very well known but it’s completely different to anything I’ve heard. Hi hat wise I had a pair of traditional that had a hit of a metallic overtone, yours sound good. The jazz ones are probably my next ones (or the Benny greb, haven’t tried them in the same room)

  • @samuelll3166
    @samuelll3166 Рік тому

    Meinl: Which cymbals would you like to try, Shawn?
    Shawn: Yes.

  • @meowsohard
    @meowsohard Рік тому

    I play hardcore , Reggae, and pop music and I’ll tell you that 20 inch dry thin crash is freaking amazing !! I highly suggest it !!!

  • @af7119
    @af7119 2 роки тому

    Your brother Steven is amazing!

  • @willymccabe6602
    @willymccabe6602 Рік тому +1

    Dry rides are an acquired taste. Personally I've never heard one I liked, but that's the best part of being a drummer in this day and age. There's a cymbal sound for everyone. Meinl's Byzance extra dry crashes and trashes are just out of sight.

  • @SubhanManafzade
    @SubhanManafzade 2 роки тому

    Tradition Flat Ride. What a sound!

  • @salomonwinkler1095
    @salomonwinkler1095 2 роки тому

    As a drummer that is just sooo beautiful to watch but also pretty hard because now I want all of them😂

  • @mattryan6886
    @mattryan6886 2 роки тому +4

    Meinl cymbals really has been throwing heat in the cymbal game IMO for past 5 years. I absolutely love the cymbals in your collection and those from some other artists. I’ve been a Zildjian player for 20 years, however I definitely will be considering buying Meinl’s for my acoustic/hybrid kit I’m building. The EFX cymbals are fantastic.

  • @MNDrummer
    @MNDrummer 2 роки тому +1

    For a couple thousand dollars one could certainly revamp their cymbal set. Some nice sounds. I mostly play Sabian, but I have a few cymbals from other manufacturers. My Meinl cymbal stack will be growing soon as there are a few I'm very interested in.

  • @policeluber6720
    @policeluber6720 2 роки тому +2

    That flat ride sounded killer if it had 1-3 rivets ! Roy Haynes sound !

  • @LenHarmsen
    @LenHarmsen 2 роки тому +5

    Congrats on the endorsement! Any chance we get some sungazer drumvideo's?

  • @CotalCosta
    @CotalCosta 2 роки тому

    Shawn: listen to this cool cymbals!
    Me: that floor tom is amazing

  • @kayleighdrums4431
    @kayleighdrums4431 2 роки тому

    Ugh, I have those hats...absolutely INSANE.

  • @alanduncan1980
    @alanduncan1980 2 роки тому

    Bold statement declaring these the best cymbals ever. Not a chance.

  • @nokatreuer9642
    @nokatreuer9642 2 роки тому

    the 22 inch extra dry is a very good looking cymbal

  • @YogevGabay
    @YogevGabay 2 роки тому

    Yo yo congrats bro!
    I sense a duo video in the future.

  • @iRideuWatch
    @iRideuWatch 2 роки тому

    I'm not gonna lie, you are living the dream

  • @CFChristian
    @CFChristian 2 роки тому +1

    Isolated listening to each is like "Hmmmmm, mmkay mmkay" but once in the context of a mix its like *mind blown*

  • @metalking21
    @metalking21 2 роки тому +1

    the 18 jazz extra thin crash might be the best main crash that Ive heard

    • @perpetualgrimace
      @perpetualgrimace 2 роки тому

      Nothing beats the 19" traditional medium thin for me 🧑‍🍳

    • @jooplin
      @jooplin 2 роки тому

      Same, I got one last year. If you could see my face when I first hit it. :)

  • @alphaomegaape8622
    @alphaomegaape8622 2 роки тому

    Great ears man. 👂

  • @stephentyler4352
    @stephentyler4352 Рік тому

    Hey Shawn! The monophonic ride that you demo in this video sounds really great. I might just have to make that my next cymbal purchase whenever that happens.
    I’m curious what you might recommend for in-ears? Or perhaps which brands to avoid, if any exist? :)

  • @OddBassist
    @OddBassist 2 роки тому

    I would like to see you play some sungazer tracks with the new meinl cymbals you use.

  • @LeFloidfan4ever
    @LeFloidfan4ever 2 роки тому

    that new setup looks and sounds great! I do have 2 questions. 1. are you transitioning into open handed drumming? 2. If meinl wouldn't exist what other cymbal brand would you pick?

  • @thedutchdjentleman
    @thedutchdjentleman 2 роки тому +5

    Gonna be honest, I never thought you could play metal that well.
    Also, congrats on the endorsement!

  • @mancuniancandidatem
    @mancuniancandidatem 2 роки тому

    I once popped an 18inch K (modern) crash cymbal by accident. It popped back easily but it killed the sound of the cymbal. It's never been the same since.

  • @kirjian
    @kirjian 2 роки тому +1

    6:49 Benny Vibe Check

  • @wurdofwizdumb1928
    @wurdofwizdumb1928 2 роки тому

    You really should get paid by this company because I’m quite positive you just convinced me to buy a lot of their product.

  • @tetrahedrontri
    @tetrahedrontri 2 роки тому

    14:24 Nice Arithmophobia bit there, my man. AAL should run through all drummer's veins.

  • @jlmdot
    @jlmdot 2 роки тому

    While we're on this matter...Burying cymbals/ride/charles, I'd love to know your thoughts on this Shawn!

  • @bobinsky324
    @bobinsky324 Рік тому

    I love your music. What is the name of the song thats played at 2:42-47 i cant seem to find it..Ive been 2:47
    2:47 checking out meinl for a while now. I love them..

  • @adewalequadri4878
    @adewalequadri4878 Рік тому

    Shawn, how long does it take to master a new timing system? By rough estimation of course, because every groove is different. Also, how do you know if you are practising right or just memorizing inaccurate moves?

  • @metabeard3788
    @metabeard3788 2 роки тому +3

    I'm not a drummer, but I always wondered how you select cymbals with so much variety. Having ordered them, did you just intuit how it would sound from experience and description? Have you ever order them and been disappointed or found it didn't sound like you thought? You seem pleased with all of these

    • @ShawnCrowder
      @ShawnCrowder  2 роки тому +5

      I watched nothing but Meinl videos for a week. 😅 By then, I was pretty sure about what I was getting. tbh I was a little concerned about about not being able to try some of them in person, particularly the higher-end hand-hammered ones, which can vary from cymbal to cymbal. But they all ended up sounding fantastic.

  • @hannes1734
    @hannes1734 2 роки тому

    I have the 18" Jazz Thin Crash and it took a beating for about 3 years, then i had to cut out the crack

  • @blackasthesky
    @blackasthesky 2 роки тому +1

    Nobody can do dry cymbals like Meinl does.
    For other types of sounds this might not be true, but this is what they do master well.
    Problem is that they are expensive as hell.

  • @DagothThorus
    @DagothThorus 2 роки тому +6

    How's the guitar thing going?

  • @dannyg6289
    @dannyg6289 Рік тому

    6:00 i really want to learn that fill

  • @michaelappleby437
    @michaelappleby437 2 роки тому

    When's the next touch guitar video? I noticed it hiding in the background there.

  • @freeze3759
    @freeze3759 2 роки тому

    I wanna get my first very good cymbal and can't decide between the Byzance 22" Extra Dry Thin Ride and the 21" Transition Ride... Any thoughts? :)

  • @naeemgrant5897
    @naeemgrant5897 2 роки тому

    10:44 to 10:50 is insane

  • @jamesnikki5
    @jamesnikki5 2 роки тому +3

    Man I just don't get dry and extra dry cymbals so in fashion these days, to me they sound like slabs of tin or my grandmas biggest pot lid ... to me they sound like SHIT basically, but we like what we like. The world would be boring if we all like the same. Anyway great video really enjoyed it.

    • @daniel.lopresti
      @daniel.lopresti 2 роки тому +1

      Agreed on all counts (also on the "live and let live" approach... I wouldn't dare say what I think of these types of cymbals ;) )

  • @massivecumshot
    @massivecumshot 2 роки тому

    I'm a Paiste guy, I love their high sharp 'rice crispies' attack of their Innovation series which cuts through a Les Paul/Marshall feedback storm. If I were playing heavy metal, I'd consider Meinl, but for rock/dance/R&B, I can't stand them. The only Meinl product I ever bought was a trash splash. I've heard it said they all sound weird by themselves and can only be appreciated as an entire set, but I'm not dropping $1500 on metal for I've heard in the stores.

  • @jawoody9745
    @jawoody9745 2 роки тому

    You can't get any better than Meinl or Paiste cymbals. I play both. The best cymbals come out of Europe.

    • @daniel.lopresti
      @daniel.lopresti 2 роки тому

      Except I'd say those two companies are probably the furthest apart in terms of their characteristic sound quality :) (Paiste player myself!)

  • @StraightNoChaser86
    @StraightNoChaser86 2 роки тому

    That "trashy" cymbal sound is all the rage these days.

  • @nillyiest
    @nillyiest Рік тому

    What is that other drum beside your snare?

  • @extrashuggah6672
    @extrashuggah6672 2 роки тому

    Luxury hobby :))

  • @ollyspenser-morris7347
    @ollyspenser-morris7347 2 роки тому

    Anyone know what drumsticks he’s using?

  • @andyham6094
    @andyham6094 2 роки тому

    Clear bell isn’t really what I would describe the extra dry thin ride. It’s a very washy bell and not really defined at all. Good bell and ride but def wouldn’t say clear and defined. The polyphonic ride bell is something that is clear and defined

    • @ShawnCrowder
      @ShawnCrowder  2 роки тому

      I don't disagree... My ride before that was the 20" hammered crash, which *really* has no bell to speak of, so in relative terms the Extra Dry Thin Ride was insanely clear, and I guess that impression stuck with me.

  • @MusicandTractors
    @MusicandTractors 10 місяців тому

    My problem is I want them all!!!

  • @user-ed1ql9ec7n
    @user-ed1ql9ec7n 2 роки тому

    Were you primarily left-handed? or did you practice to play so too?

  • @samgodzwa7927
    @samgodzwa7927 2 роки тому

    6:45 this section made me realize that Shawn is the American Benny Greb.

  • @AustinWestbro
    @AustinWestbro 2 роки тому

    You know a cymbal is good when it turns a drummer into Ric Flair

  • @drummerboyharm3078
    @drummerboyharm3078 2 роки тому

    Meinl cymbal candy shop 😜

  • @commonman317
    @commonman317 2 роки тому

    Geez. As a 9 to 5 ham and egger, imagine the cost of buying all of these cymbals at once? I would have to take out a 2nd mortgage. Lol.

  • @nonesovile8812
    @nonesovile8812 2 роки тому

    Just absolute sex on stands.. All them cymbals are beautiful sonically as well as aesthetically. Perfect examples of playing while showing what each cymbal can do.

  • @eduardogalindo457
    @eduardogalindo457 2 роки тому

    The duklest player ever

  • @Drumsholic
    @Drumsholic 2 роки тому

    Your drumming pays for this huge expensive cymbals??

  • @biiggiiee123
    @biiggiiee123 2 роки тому

    The Sabian holy China is a better one I'm my personal opinion. It's crispy and sounds absolutely great with almost any cymbal.

  • @mjmb2017
    @mjmb2017 2 роки тому

    I thought it was benny!

  • @JaCrisspy
    @JaCrisspy Рік тому

    You look like a skinny version of the GimR's lab logo

  • @drumski7328
    @drumski7328 Рік тому

    kinda ain’t feeling that China

  • @danny1689
    @danny1689 2 роки тому

    yeah the cymbals are crisp, but that snare is CA$H

  • @ciscoak9074
    @ciscoak9074 5 місяців тому

    How nice they sent gloves to handle a cymbal that ur gonna start beating the shit out of once u set it up lol. "treat it nice, treat it like a dainty lady before u start physically abusing it".. they must think drummers are all comparable to abusive spouses!!if they threw in a bottle of whiskey it may be too on the nose huh?? Im obviously be feticious but the gloves to treat it nice along with sticks to abuse it afterwarda is just too funny and senda mixed msgs! Ride cymbal-"beat me gently".😮

  • @chandlertrout1637
    @chandlertrout1637 Рік тому

    It’s a flat ride cymbal which means it’s flat………

  • @musicmode6657
    @musicmode6657 2 роки тому

    bro where do you get all this money? having a job is one thing but freakin donald trump over here got 15 million dollars in cymbals

  • @nano8640
    @nano8640 Рік тому

    what is the point of demoing cymbals with this atrocious mixing