Sweet Jesus Christ on a Stick this video has over 15k views now. This makes me happy, but also extremely terrified, where did you people come from??? Anywho, answering comments is fun and all, but there’s a few reoccurring things that people keep bringing up and I’m getting very tired of my phone being blown up by youtube notifications when I’m in class. So, this will be my FINAL reply to the whole comment section as a whole, and also adding arguments against the “A is R” theory that we got from Chapter 2. This doesn’t mean I’ll stop reading the comments though, it just means I will cease arguing with people because every possible thing I could want to say on this topic further will be here. 1) Ralsei doesn’t get petrified in cyber world. This is brought up by people a lot to say that Ralsei is a lightner, actually. Well, not exactly. See, Ralsei’s fountain is make of “pure darkness” as he describes it, making it possible for any Darkner to live in Castletown. It’s not a stretch to assume that this same logic applies to Ralsei, as he originates from this fountain, therefore he would be fine in other dark worlds, because he himself is made of “pure darkness”. Ralsei not explaining this himself in the chapter IS suspicious though, I will admit. 2) Ralsei getting to Cyber Field on his own. Another thing people use to explain he’s a lightner. This would cause more problems though, because he would get spotted on his way to the library from the school. Not to mention, Ralsei (mentioning this again for people who forgot ig) HAS COLOURED TALKSPRITES. No darkner has black and white sprites, and no lightner has coloured sprites, this is an established part of Toby’s world building and dismissing it in order to frame Ralsei as a giant liar and manipulator is just lazy. 3) Is he Asriel though? If the above two points didn’t prove it enough, then a different part of chapter 2 sure as shit did. In Queen’s mansion, we see she has a room for every lightner that used/uses the library, each room catering to that person’s interests through their search history. Asriel HAS a room in her mansion (that Kris refuses to peek inside of), and Queen EXPLICITLY SAYS she doesn’t have a room for Ralsei, turning him into her butler instead! Ding dong, the wicked theory is DEAD. Just to drive the point home further, Kris gets like 60 HP from RalseiTea (for those not in the loop, there’s a part of the game where you can buy tea in the flavour of your friends, and the amount of HP someone gets from drinking it varies depending on how they feel about that person, Noelle gets 400 HP from SusieTea, Susie gets 120 HP from everyone’s teas, etc.), when we KNOW they care about Asriel deeply and their throat tightens when they drink the hot chocolate that reminds them of him. Ralsei gets the same amount of HP from both Susie AND Kris, making it unlikely that Ralsei is related to them in any way. It would make a lot more sense that he feels the same about them because they’re both his new friends, and likes them equally for their own strengths and weaknesses. 4) Ok so is Ralsei a Dreemurr instead? Somehow, someway, some people GENUINELY missed the point of me comparing Ralsei to Toriel. The point is that Ralsei acting a little like EVERY Dreemurr means he ISN’T ANY ONE OF THEM. Not to mention, he doesn’t LOOK like any of them, either. He has coloured horns, and his fur has pink streaks (NOT full blown hair like Asgore has), meaning he’s not related to any of the Dreemurrs. People have brought up Noelle’s observation of Ralsei when she first sees him that she cuts off (“It kind of looks like…”), but exactly BECAUSE the sentence is cut off, we don’t know what she wanted to say, or why. She never brings it up again, even when Ralsei is right behind her, so we can assume it wasn’t anything terribly important or earth shattering. Personally, I think Ralsei being Kris’ old horn headband makes a lot of sense. It would explain why he’s so attached to Kris specifically (he was their headband), why he knows places in the light world (Kris used to wear the headband everywhere), why he looks like a boss monster (Kris got the horns so they could feel more like part of their family), why he’s always so alone (Kris was a lonely kid, even with Asriel around, and the horns were a futile attempt for them to fit in with a town full of monsters), and most of all, why he has coloured horns (which is clearly the biggest issue surrounding Ralsei). 5) Why does everyone keep bringing up Chara. I’m serious, several people have tried to argue Chara logic and semantics with me in the comments when Chara was mentioned ONCE in the video and had ONE physical shitpost cameo. For all intents and purposes, I believe in the Chara Narrator theory, and anyone who wants to argue about Undertale should find a different comment section. If anyone wants my opinions of the Undertale Dreemurrs as a whole, I wrote a whole essay about it and posted it to my ao3 that’s linked in the description. Please, this video is about DELTARUNE, NOT UNDERTALE, the games are SEPARATE and for the love of god, don’t equate Chara and KRIS. (Kris has enough people trying to posses them please leave them be-) 6) My personal ramblings that no-one cares about I mentioned my theory that Asriel is the Angel of the prophecy, and I think there’s some vague-ish evidence hinting towards that in chapter 2, relating to Ralsei specifically. In Kris’ dark world room, the carpet with the delta rune is coloured. Specifically, the three little triangles are coloured in Kris’, Susie’s, and Ralsei’s colours, each triangle representing one of them. Ralsei is the one facing downward, directly opposite to the angel, just as Susie and Kris are directly opposite to each other too. I think that Ralsei and Asriel could be thematically linked in a similar way that Kris and Susie are. Seeming similar at first glance (bangs over eyes, social outcasts, violent pranksters and troublemakers), but being thematically opposite (monster/human, magic/no magic, taking choices into her own hands/losing control and the ability to choose entirely). Think about how Asriel and Ralsei are both boss monsters that are nice to people, but are thematically opposed through popularity/isolation, light/dark, emotional/level-headed, etc. It just fits too neatly for me to think it’s all a coincidence. I know a lot of people think Noelle will be the angel of the prophecy, and while it’s possible, I wouldn’t put money on it, because her character arc seems to have neatly ended with chapter 2’s conclusion, no matter which route you took. 7) More videos when? I am UNSPEAKABLY happy that people want to see more from me but, unfortunately, school is a thing that eats away at my time and soul, so I can’t focus on videos full-time, not to mention the fact that I’m already working on a big project as is. It’s called Dread Not, it’s a Deltarne/Undertale AU comic, check it out if you want more content from me more regularly. However I WILL say, I’m planning on making a video about the entirety of Chapter 2, and knowing that the script for it isn’t even done yet, it’s far away from being finished in the near future. Or the future in general. Maybe I’ll finish it next year, who knows. Either way this won’t be my last video about Deltarune. Thank you all again for watching (and reading this ungodly spiel), I never thought this silly little video would get so much attention! (Also feel free to reply to this with links to any social media post you found this video through because I want to see what people are saying about it on other platforms heheheh)
It's actually quite fun to see how many points you made got additional validation from chapter 2 so soon after you made them with no way of knowing the next chapter was right on the horizon when you posted the video. perfect storm for the algorithm, I suppose. ...If anything, Ralsei is more of a stand-in for Kris's desire to be a monster and loneliness manifested into a Darkner. That'd come with some seriously mixed feelings, thus Kris's middling heal from Ralsei Tea. Now, the fact that Ralsei's fountain is special is place for some interesting speculation. Did Kris channel all their need for companionship into creating Ralsei, or did someone else make his dark world before Kris ever started doing so? Maybe Asriel created the grand dark fountain? Maybe someone else that had a vested interest in Kris's emotional state? How did anyone even learn to make dark worlds in the first place, and is that connected to why Ralsei is more knowledgeable about broader dark world mechanics than other darkners? So far everything we think we know about the Knight is from darkners that seemingly only guessed at its nature while observing it from afar, attributing their own biases onto it. Or, if the grand dark fountain is a natural occurrence, why is Ralsei both its prince while also still having connections to specific lightners?
The end will be related in some way to Asriel coming back. Since he comes back at day seven, when the last chapter of Deltarune is, so he actually could be the angel and he could be involved in all the thing somehow. And also I would like to add, that when you where in the kings darkworld you could travel from Ralsei’s fountain to kings fountain in the darkworld (the heroes entered there through the big gray door, and ended in the unused classroom, so they also traveled from one place to another inside the darkworld), so maybe darkworlds can be connected somehow in general and that is why Ralsei could travel. He hides secrets and we don’t understand a lot about him but that doesn’t makes him evil, maybe Toby is just not revealing everything yet and maybe we could have a twist or not. We don’t know, we are just assuming things due to lack of info. Very good video and comment!!
maybe asriel instead of going to college hid in lonely dark world this would be the only thing what explain him beloning in dark worlds and how the f he can travel tru them, and not be a stone in the end and it simply would be a good twist for the game perspective and a small one is HOW?? DID HE KNOW?? NAMES OF THE LIGHT NER
I understand you're not going to reply, but I want to make this much clear: I've never heard it said that Ralsei *is* Asriel, rather more like Ralsei *represents* Asriel. Since we didn't know much during chapter 1, the theory was built on the idea that the Dark World is a roleplaying game, using the items in the room (which is partly true, as it turns out) that Kris and Asriel used to play, and thus the figure of Ralsei might have been either Asriel's character or a stand-in. Taking what we know from chapter 2, that latter bit may still be true in some way. Like if there's a trinket (as others have suggested, Kris' headband) that was particularly tied to Asriel, or maybe even straight-out a picture or drawing that Kris made at some point.
Some small observations now that chapter 2 came out. -There's a lot of Kris x Ralsei "fanservice" in the game, it would be really weird if Ralsei and Asriel turn out to be the same character. -When Kris, Susie and Berdly get captured by Queen, we also see a room for Asriel, and once we reunite with Ralsei he says that Queen didn't have a room for him. -About the idea you brought up of Asriel being the angel, i think it's interesting the computer in Kris' room makes a reference to Asriel's final boss fight from undertale, specifically pointing out his rainbow wings. And also, we now know that the game will have seven chapters, with each chapter apparently being a different day, wich means Asriel should be coming back at the end of the last chapter. I definitely don't think Ralsei and Asriel are the same character, but i do feel like they're going to be thematically connected (they're probably just meant to parallel each other or something like that)
Thank you for the added info from chapter 2! I've been meaning to make an addition like yours but i just didn't have the time haha... As for thematic connectedness, I agree. It's not out of the question that they're connected in *some* way, but people's insistsnce that they're the *same* is what bothers me, as it goes against the narrative that deltarune is trying to set up and tell. Again, thank you for taking the time to point out all the new theory fodder we got in chapter 2!
Yeah, i feel like chapter 2 does show that ralsei and asriel are connected, but _also_ that ralsei seems to know more about things then we seem (also ig mild spoilers): 1) Ralsei seems to be the only one to DIRECTLY mention the light world, not only does he mention the school classroom, but casually mentions how to get around the school to gather all the materials (unless I’m being dumb then also how would he know that would too without prior knowledge?) 2) Are we just not going to mention that ralsei casually waltz into the cyber city to save susie and kris at the start when the only way we know of is through is through the entrance near the computer room? (Kris and susie used it to enter, we can assume that noelle and berdly did the same, lancer and rouuejslxe came in via kris’ pocket and as far as I’m aware there isn’t any other characters we’ve seen before). This kinda just shows more how ralsei somehow knows about the world. Wether or not this means that he has access to it directly or kinda just _knows_ is left in the air but its still weird to think about. I mean, he _could_ have a chance to leave the dark world without kris or susie noticing in these two examples, but then we have the issues of “how does he not turn into a card or something” and “how would nobody else notice” but now i feel like waffling so I’m going to end this point now. 3) Somehow, most of the cast that isn’t the main trio just ignore ralsei’s existence. This goes as small to the queen not having enough cages for ralsei and also not a room for him (despite having one for asriel somehow, which kinda shows how they’re linked but still why a room for asriel?), noelle saying that there is nothing in ralsei’s tea to flat-out being COMPLETELY IGNORED in the final goodbye message.exe the queen does, even AFTER the two talked to each other (even berdly at least got something lmao). I’m not actually going to go into this point but it’s still something to mention. 4) how does he not turn into a statue, like at all? I mean, it makes sense if he’s a prince of the dark fountain and therefore is of pure darkness, but still, what? Also why didn’t he mention it as soon as they met cause didn’t he know that lancer and rodjdhlxe was in kris’ pocket? Also, I’m pretty sure lancer and berdly talked to each other before one of the puzzles (with sussie there so its not like they were alone like with ralsei and the queen) so i think its safe to say that “everyone forgetting that you exist” isn’t a sign that you don’t belong in that world.
@@Nam_gwen Couldn't have said it better myself! If we were to take the literary analysis approach, which i typically don't like doing, we could say that Ralsei being thematically tied to "pure darkness" means he's also tied thematically to irrelevance, and secrecy, which isn't innacurate. In stories, the symbol of light is used to bring attention, good fortune, relevance, truth, while darkness is used as a symbol of mystery, bad luck, irrelevance, and secrecy. Whether this is the reason Ralsei is Like That or not, I don't know, and I wouldn't be too quick to assume that's all the goat boy has going on.
@@kookiautumn1710 totally agree, sometimes its hard to let things go, and if you think about it, in undertale asgore never tries to come back with toriel, however in deltarune we can see how he is trying to reconect, this mean that in undertale he knows that what he did is way too big to be back with her, wich means that in deltarune he did somethings that is below killing, wich can be almost anything i also need to know why did they break up, the curiosity is killing me!
@@afasdfasafd314 i feel like asgore may have something to do with dess missing,it may have just been he failed to find her, punched a hole in the wall out of frustration, since both families were very close, almost as losing a Family member and decided to quit after that, maybe that made the marriage unstable because of all the stress
@natsubit he will appear in chap 6 or 7 but I doubt chap 1 is Monday. Since alphys said in chap 2 that the day after isn't a school day, so I'm guessing chap 3 is Friday or Saturday.
despite how tragic it looks, asgore in deltarune is still in a better position than asgore in undertale (alive childs, not killed anybody, monsters are free)
@@gamercentral2417 but i have noticed that toby doesn't add any theory to the game that is incredibly popular.. he added in chapter 2 tho the detail of kris eating the pie at the start due to a reference here on this: ua-cam.com/video/LAa5saO2O8c/v-deo.html& so that hints that even popular theories still get added sometimes...
The only thing not mentioned here is the actual thematic reason Ralsei would even LOOK like a boss-monster, (because making a character look like another for no reason other than shock value is generally considered bad storytelling.) I think I've figured it out though. The Darkners are all animate sentient representations of various objects, the most obvious example of this being the Card Characters. I think Ralsei is the pair of fake red horns that Kris' family got them. The obvious connection is the pink horns on Ralsei's head, but I think it goes deeper than that. During the boat ride scene in Chapter 2, Ralsei tells us about how his niceness comes from his need to have friends. The red horns were given to Kris because they wanted to fit in better with their family. Ralsei is a lonely prince because he's the personified representation of an object associated with being an outsider, and wanting to belong. That's also why he looks like a boss monster, because Kris wanted to feel like part of the family. Well, that's my theory anyway. We won't really know until the full game is released.
I remember someone from game theory (can't remember whether it was matpat or austin) basically said that ralsei was "a version of asriel who is incapable of leaving him" (that "him" referring to kris), and because of the ending of chapter 2 (SPOILERS INBOUND!!!!) we literally know that kris is the one who makes the dark fountains, and thus, the dark worlds. also, it's entirely possible that kris and asriel could've created the dark world in the closet long before the events of deltarune take place, which would make since as to why the castle town's fountain seems to have been there for a long time, as compared to the card kingdom fountain, which was fairly recent. building on that theory, kris could've created ralsei as a darkner in asriel's image with the mental qualities of toriel, so that he would be more agreeable and be more like the sidekick character.
what makes me wary of this theory is the fact that if a Darkner sourced from inanimate objects from the lightners world, will go back to being that inanimate object in the lightners world. So how did Ralsei get to Cyber World in Ch 2 without turning into the horn headband? Like either theyre a Darkner and somehow found some secret passage/transport between dark worlds, or they're actually a Lightner (or possibly even something else entirely), left the first dark world and and went to the library's dark world like Kris and Susie did Which honestly, I feel like they'd have to be a Lightner/Something Else because they also have knowledge of the classroom in the school that has everyone from Chapter 1, asking you to gather the items from that classroom and return them to the town so that everyone can come back Hell the fact they even have knowledge of inanimate items being civilians in the dark world seems really weird. Why would he know that, how could he know that? Contextually from where he is in the dark world when all of a sudden everyone else disappears, how could he come to the conclusion that "everyone is just board game pieces in a classroom"
@@itsClaptrap I don't think he's a Lightner because in battle, he falls in a way that no other character does, just collapsing into a pile of clothes. Not even other monster characters do that. He's probably not using the Light World because we've never seen Lightners change shape beyond their outfit and colors, and people would just see Asriel walking around. He could very well be something completely different, but we haven't been given any lore aside from the Titans that implies there are other forces, and I don't think Ralsei is a Titan, given how average-sized he is. As for the knowledge he possesses, he's not the only possible Darkner who's known these things. Queen also knows she's in a library though, while some citizens of Cyber City don't even know what an internet is. This might imply that there is some sort of knowledge of the light world that fountain keepers just have.
Honestly I believe this theory. I mean I’m confused on whether the Darkworld is just fiction or real in the universe, but Ralsei does seem to represent a few things about Kris with the facts we know(like the pink pair of horns being given to him when he was younger).
It’s also mentioned that Kris has done online calls with Asriel before (alphys at the beginning of chapter 2). This would be impossible from the dark world (if the phone can’t work how would a online call) much less the fact leaving to do so would also be impossible without a human soul (or atleast that’s what I’m getting from the fountain sealing cutscenes at the end of each chapter (also said to be the only way home in chapter 1 (kinda weird though since you can leave the town any time you want in chapter 2 (though not possible in chapter 1 so it’s safe to assume that it wasn’t an option until the other fountain was sealed))))
I think it’s weird that he can go to other dark worlds but maybe I’m not paying attention. I’m kinda thinking ralsei is asriels dark world form. I’m also thinking he travels in and out from time to time.
@@snorseburger7381 still stupid, as it doesn't explain all the other holes in that hypothesis like, WHY is Asriel shorter? WHY is Asriel blushing when Kris gets close? WHY is Asriel there instead of college? WHY isn't it mentioned he looks like Asriel (Maybe cause Asriel at this point is as tall as his father Asgore)? WHY does Asriel disappear instead of just getting downed when his HP runs out? Asriel isn't Ralsei, if ch.2 couldn't get that through your skull, then Ralsei and Asriel can be in the same room together and you would still believe Ralsei is Asriel.
@@snorseburger7381 so far it can't be explained how he travels between dark worlds, BUT it would make even less sense if the reason he's able to travel between dark worlds is cause he's Asriel "Hey mom is that Asriel running to the library?" "Oh yes little Timmy, that's indeed Asriel. Wait, weren't they supposed to be at college?". Plus there's no place for him to go once you seal the fountain in ch.2, unless he was a headband and missing green crayon.
@@couththememer Thank you! I try to be logical about these things as much as I can be! Even though it's fiction and people like to say that there should be no logic whatsoever behind it haha
I love how you also subtly debunk the whole “Ralsei is Evil” theory as well in this video (even if you didn’t realize it), so thank you for that! Great video overall!
Personally, I like to think that the reason Kris and Susie get along so well is because both of them have some form of mischief going with them. Kris does pranks, and Susie is the almost-expelled one.
something i haven’t seen anyone bring up but i feel as if it’s mega important is that- kris never reacted when ralsei revealed his face. kris obviously would’ve recognized asriel had it’d been him, but there was no reaction. some people would argue that kris just has no emotion but- they actually have plenty. their emotions were expressed a lot more in chapter 2 and showed them having signs of fear, dread, etc…
@@PossessedPotatoBird umm…someone who draws on the computer/is interested in game design (as Asriel is in Deltarune) is actually highly likely to need glasses more as they get older? Cancer and bad eyesight are nowhere near as likely, nearsightedness is pretty common actually. The theory that Asriel and Ralsei are the same is stupid without completely unhinging yourself from reality
The thing that sold me that Ralsei and Asriel are not the same is that in Chapter 2 you can get tea inspired by the characters. The tea gives the drinker different amounts of health depending on how much the drinker likes the person the tea is based on. Ralsei gets the same health amount from drinking Susie and Kris teas. If Kris were his sibling, Ralsei would have gotten a load more health from their tea than he would for Susie's.
That's a very good point! I can't say i encountered any of that myself in-game because i think i accidentally skipped the flavoured tea lmao, but i heard the hp amounts everyone gets are very revealing of how they all feel about each other... I wonder if the tea can be gotten or carried over to future chapters, so the hp amounts gained could change depending on how the characters' feelings evolve?
@@armageddongirl612 I mean. Maybe? But it would also make him a really shitty older brother, seeing as him and Kris grew up together and have so much history? For Asriel to feel the same about Kris and Susie would be unspeakably cruel, and go against a lot of his characterisation in undertale, where he quickly grew to love chara as his sibling, and started copying what they were doing because he idolised them and wanted to be closer with them. Plus, the tea thing is just one of many arguements for why Asriel and Ralsei are distinct, the point of this comment (I assume) was to point out a detail that most people don't notice, and that is near impossible to make sense of in the "Asriel is Ralsei" theory.
The teas are based entirely on how much you like that person... not siblings. Kris gets I think 10-20 health from their own tea, Noelle gets I think 200 or 400 from Susie tea.
asgore is in between for me, hes a funny chill dude. but if needed he does seem to turn to violence to get revenge or what he wants as shown in undertale. He was willing to kill 6 human lives. We dont know the big mistake he did in deltarune that caused them to break up this time and get him off the police force
I think it's interesting how Ralsei is an imitation of Kris's ENTIRE family all mashed together, including aspects only found in Undertale (Asriel's royal title of Prince in Undertale and his name, Toriel's role as tutorial character in Undertale, her love of baking and teaching, and her glasses, as well as Asgore's role as the leader of the main world with the cool castle from Undertale, his association with gardening and plants (as in Doobie Ralsei), the face cast in shadow exaggerated from Undertale's boss fight, and his general loneliness.)
@@joaquinjovane4226 yeah, well it got hearted so I ain't editing it. Also, yes Asriel is. That's all I'm gonna say, and if you disagree, then kindly leave before this becomes a full on war about the fictional goat boy.
Also it is kinda implied that ralsei like likes kris I mean the ost for the acid lake part is literally called the acid tunnel of love I'm pretty sure if they was the same person Toby fox would not allow that type of relationship between Kris and ralsei
I absolutely agree! This video was made before ch 2's release, and even if it wasn't, i didn't wanna lean too much into the "shipper" arguements (even though its still a valid point), because i think some people would dissmiss my arguements immediatly if i did. The romantic drama of deltarune seems like its going to play a bigger role in the story (or at least, kris' development) overall, and i cant wait to see how it all gets resolved!
Another big thing that cancels this theory is that if you try to give one of the rings to fluffy boy, he questions you about engagement and stuff. Alabama or something idk.
Love does not necessarily mean romantic attraction. There's no reason to assume that this means romantic love, especially since Toby has used it in the platonic sense before (In Asriel's fight, for example). Also you probably shouldn't read too much into the song titles. What are 'Gallery' and 'Another Medium' referring to?
Honestly I rarely see this theory being thrown around but maybe it's because I don't interact with the fandom as much nowadays, but what I do see is the theory that ralsei is an alternate universe version of asriel or something like that. Like, they're not the same character, but ralsei is somehow based on asriel or his alternate self. And so far, based on what we've seen in both chapters, I kinda disagree with that too? I recently saw a theory about how, since all darkners are based on some real object in the real world (lancer is a card, seam is a plushie, queen is an old apple computer etc), ralsei is based on kris' horn headband. It's mentioned that toriel (and asgore) got kris a horn headband because they wanted to be like the rest of their family and were waiting for their horns to grow too (or something similar, can't remember the exact quote), so they got them a headband with horns that kris then took everywhere with them. It would also explain why ralsei knows the real world's surroundings, like the fact that there even is a school and a library: because kris carried that headband with them everywhere. It would also explain why ralsei's horns are a different colour than the other "goat monsters", who all have white horns while ralsei's are pink. Maybe the headband was pink, who knows. The headband's purpose was also to make kris feel like they belong and stuff, and that makes ralsei's personality make sense too: he's always so supportive of kris and trying to make them feel comfortable, helping them etc. Basically, ralsei is simply the same species of monsters as toriel, asgore and asriel seem to be, because the object he is in the real world is a headband that had the purpose of looking like the rest of kris' family's horns. He's not related to any of the other monsters that look similar. He's simply a headband😔
Really interesting idea! I haven't heard anyone make the headband connection until now, but that would make a lot of sense, thank you for bringing this to my attention! It really would explain a lot, but my only remaining question then would be why that specific headband (and seemingly nothing else) was affected by the true dark fountain that can support all darkners, but that questions would remain no matter what assumsion we make about Ralsei's light world counterpart. Again, thank you for sharing this theory with me, it's very plausible!!
@@kookiautumn1710 I have a feeling that affection towards an object effects that darkner that uses it as a vessel, possibly explaining why Ralsei can travel to other dark worlds and not turn to stone. Maybe it also involves power and age, explaining why Lancer turned to stone before Rouxls Kaard
@@Garden0flowr it's possible, and i definatly think Rouxls turned to stone slower because he's older/physically bigger than Lancer, but I don't see how the logic of "power" or "affection" would apply to Ralsei. An interesting note is that, the flavoured tea in chapter two gives everyone varying amounts of HP, showing how each character feels about the others. Kris, (from what I've heard), gets more HP from Susie and Noelle than they do from Ralsei, implying they like him less in some way, and Susie gets the same amount of HP from Ralsei as she does everyone else. This sort of shows the kids don't have any special sentimentality for Ralseo like he does for them. I think the specific thing that defines darkners is that they were abandoned, so I don't think the affection lightners have for them influences if they turn to stone or not, because by definition, they're left behind by lightners.
@@Garden0flowr I think the reason ralsei can travel to other dark worlds is because the fountain that created him and where he gets his powers from, the castle town fountain, is still open, and it was said to be "made out of pure darkness" so assumably it's much more powerful than the other fountains. The other darkners can live in the castle town also because of that powerful fountain even when their own fountains have been closed, but because the fountains that created them are now closed, they turn into stone if they go to other dark worlds, like lancer and rouxl. But ralsei's fountain is still there and giving him powers, and making it possible for him to not turn into stone in other dark worlds.
@@kookiautumn1710 Perhaps they didn't carry the object which Lancer or Rouxls is based on into the library and since all people and things seem to be based off of objects (which arent there for lancer or rouxls) they turned to stone, while they took the headband to the library, thus giving Ralsei like an object to be based off of.
One thing that I wonder is how the “Ralsei is Asriel” theory even fits in a narrative sense. I don’t think revealing that Ralsei is Asriel will impact the story in a cohesive way, like how does that serve the story? A good portion of Deltarune revolves around Kris’ loneliness, even more so that their brother left. Revealing that Asriel and Ralsei are one beats the purpose of showing the player that the entire Dark World is a reflection of the real world. “Oh yeah so you know how I told you I’m in college? So I was actually with you the entire time haha also I kinda knew about our destinies since we were kids while we played mario” If anything, I’m more inclined to believe that Ralsei is based on the red headband. That would explain his pink colored horns. Ralsei being the same species and having an anagram as a name would also make sense because it brings Kris familiarity. With that being said, Asriel and Ralsei most likely do have thematic connection . But narratively and logically speaking, they can’t be one in the same. …and don’t get started on the KrisxRalsei dialogue in Chapter 2. Even in chapter 1 he blushes when you stand too close. I think that alone is an indicator that they can’t and SHOULDN’T be the same person.
Kris may be feeling lonely, but I don't think loneliness is the real issue here. The only indication we have that Kris specifically longs for Asriel coming back is the account of other people in Hometown, and I don't think they really understand Kris. I would treat everything the Hometown monsters say to Kris about their relationship with Asriel with a grain of salt, and Kris themself isn't directly talking about how they feel, ever. On the other hand, there are huge implications of bottled-up extreme resentment against Asriel on Kris' part, and we're even given reasons for it (subtle and not-so-subtle hints at parental favoritism in favor of Asriel on at least Toriel's part, and the fact that the entirety of Hometown pretty much actively goes along with it, and also Kris' anxiety that comes from being the only human in a Dreemurr-only family).
If you don't see how it impacts the story in a cohesive way, you've never written a story. - Build a bond - Find out the bond was built on false pretenses - Be forced to either reconcile that or discard the bond out of a lack of trust Additional note: If Ralsei fell into the dark world the same way frisk fell into the underground, he may well have forgotten who he is. The weekend hits and he'll remember who he is and come home for a bit, but he will have to go back to the dark world to be their prince UNLESS we get the true ending where the world's are allowed to merge
@@digitalunity problem with that is that asirel IS at college hell he even talks to kris online it would not make sense for him to be in the dark world and not be announced missing
This is a well-put together video that really shines a light on numerous things. I was previously leaning on the "Asriel is Ralsei" side of the fence, but watching this put me firmly on the "no, he isn't" side. So quickly, in fact, I left a like before I was even done.
I saw a theory that Ralsei could be related to the red horns that Kris used to wear when he was a kid, which I thought was interesting. It does seem like all of the other darkners are embodied in the light world as various objects, although it could be different for someone who was born in the original fountain town. But Ralsei is never particularly specific about when he came into being, just that he's waited there his whole life. There's no concrete evidence for it or anything but it would be an interesting idea.
toriel's eye color was a mistake, as I'm pretty sure early in development undertale sprites used that exact shade of red for transparency marking, and also in the undertale website at one point there was a toriel sprite tinted that shade of red as well
Speaking of crybaby, chapter 2 even supported that more where young Asriel asked for forgiveness for the sin of dropping a dinosaur in a video game and on Kris's behalf for purposefully doing it.
That drawing of Ralsei with a gun is my personality from now on. (In all seriousness, this video is really well done. I really don’t like the “Asriel = Ralsei” theory, so it’s fun to see someone disproving it with proof and cool visuals.)
If there’s one thing related to this that I wish could be talked about more, it’s how people look at some of the odd things Ralsei says/does which seem to imply he’s hiding something, and immediately assume evil intent. People keep secrets for multitudes of reasons, and these can even include a belief that you’re protecting somebody/some people/something by keeping it secret.
Thank you! My main point is that characters sharing some traits doesn't make them the same person, narratively speaking or otherwise. I used Toriel as an example because (I hope) everyone can agree that she isn't Ralsei. If I really wanted to, I could probably draw parallels between Ralsei and Asgore too, but this was just easier because Toriel appears more often than Asgore.
@@kookiautumn1710 Yeah, that's right! I don't know why some people say that Asriel and Ralsei are the same person when is obvious is not like that (I'm Vea in case u didn't know
wait a minute It's possible... In UNDERTALE, the Dreemurr family consists of Asgore, Toriel, Asriel and Chara; It's implied that Asgore and Asriel have similar speech patterns and naming abilities or lack their of. Asgore and Asriel are more closer to each other. Toriel is implied to be closer to Chara, especially when it comes to nurturing a human that looks similar to Chara but then again, could be a friend to all children. Chara and Toriel are both more assertive and pun loving then Asriel and Asgore. It might be the same in deltarune. Despite caring and loving each other alot, Asgore and Asriel are a lot closer while Toriel and Kris are alot closer. It's possible in this universe, Ralsei was not a representation of Asriel (AToL hopefully disproves of that) but a representation of who Kris wants to be. Not a lonely prince per se, but a sweet and sassy caretaker who helps everyone they meet. Not to mention the red horns Kris wore as a child which may have been the result of Ralsei's horn colors and Ralsei with their healing abilities hopefully to help other people. Instead, Kris in Hometown is a outcast and a michievience weirdo that is nothing like Frisk or the idea of a blank slate protagonist. Maybe Ralsei was Kris's inner dream to be, so that they can belong somewhere and look like it...
@@fantasyshadows3207 Interesting idea, but i highly doubt it! Excuse the overly long explanation incoming. While, at first glance, it would be easy to assume that Asgore and Asriel were closer and Chara and Toriel were, certain things hint towards the opposite. Firstly, the genocide route monologue Flowey has about how he first woke up as a flower shows that Asgore, although he was the first one there for Asriel (now Flowey), couldn't help him, and Flowey repeatedly calls Asgore "that old fool" and the like. Flowey seems to have abandoned new home in his first timeline, without so much as saying goodbye to Asgore, because he had more faith that Toriel would be able to help him. After Flowey explains to Chara how he started believing their worldview, he tells Chara that he could never get Asgore to show him the human souls he collected, no matter ehat he tried. Then he says something like "I know he'd do it for YOU, Chara. You WERE always his favourite" (paraphrasing because i dont know the full quote) Then, in the Undertale winter clock dialogue (that you can read through the official undertale website), Flowey was revealed to be helping Toriel around the ruins, of course, without her knowing, so much so that Toriel once recognised Flowey AS Asriel in her half awake state, and swore to never leave him again. In this part of the dialogue, Toriel explains that Asriel picked up the way he fills glasses of water from "someone". Based on the fact that she used they/them pronouns for that someone, as well as the fact that she has no qualms about saying Asgore's name, or calling Asriel her son, we can assume this is about Chara. But Toriel doesn't call Chara her child (unlike how Asgore does after you defeat him in battle, "I just want to see my wife, I just want to see my child" reffering to Toriel and Chara, who he hasn't seen in ages, then if you had killed flowey in a previous timeline, he continues "but I think your freedom is what my son... What ASRIEL would have wanted", making a clear distinction between child (the gender neutral term, used for Chara and Frisk throught the game) and son (male gendered term, used for Asriel throughout the game) (notice also how Asgore doesn't tearfully confess to wanting to reunite with jis son? Possibly because he has vague memories of Floweys (read: Asriels) resets, so he knows he's seen him more recently in some way). Toriel, instead, explicitly calls Chara someone she "used to know". As for Toriel and Kris. I have a whole theory about dr chapter 2 that I'm still writing, and Toriel and Kris' relationship is a big part of it. To sum it up simply, I don't think Toriel is taking very good care of Kris. She's great with little kids and Asriel, but Kris is a mentally ill teenager, who lashes out and she responds by restricting them (something we know they hate bc of the player soul), locking doors around the house, locking the oven, grounding them because they couldnt answer her calls... I'm not saying shes a bad mom, god no, im just saying her approach doesnt work on Kris. So much so that she seems to be playing favourites. Asriel's part of the room if full of diplomas and trophies, while Kris' is empty, even though they DO have hobbies and interests (piano is a big one, occult research with catti, diy projects based off of their search results), but she doesnt facilitate those for Kris like she does for Asriel, for whatever reason. Maybe its because she doesnt know how (hinted by her constantly renting out the "how to take care of a human" book from the library), or because Kris isnt as much of a go-getter as Toriel and Asriel are, making Kris more similar to Asgore, but I doubt they have as close of a bond with Asgore as Chara did in Undertale. I actually wrote an entire essay on the Dreemurr family in Undertale, it's on my ao3 if you wanna check it out (can't paste a link because youtube assumes comments with links are spam)
I thought the same thing, first off why would he be in a highschool closet 🤔🤨🤨, secondly, besides being short, why would he be Kris' height, thirdly, why would he blush when around kris? why would he go on a romantic swan ride with him in chapter 2?
Another big thing that cancels this theory is that if you try to give one of the rings to fluffy boy, he questions you about engagement and stuff. Alabama or something idk.
also ralsei is tiny and asriel is like 20 now, and doesn't have horns wth. do ppl think toby fox is supporting incest in the tunnel of love sequence, wHAT
YEAH, I completely agree. The Asriel from Undertale is probably too young to grow horns yet, but your point with the heights still stands. There's been a lot of people in a lot of online spaces who insist that any kind of shipping between Kris and Ralsei is bad or harmful because of this really dumb theory, and it's been bothering me a lot since the ship is supported by the canon a lot more than any other?? This fandom just has a tendancy to get really nasty for no reason I guess.
@@kookiautumn1710 dont know if this is useful or not but noelle says when she first sees him "Who's that person she's with, anyway..? "It Iooks kind of like..."
@@chongwillson972 YEAH I KNOW THAT,,, whern I first saw that line of dialogue I got very worried, but seeing as she doesn't finish the sentance, she could be reffering to just about anything. Maybe Ralsei is based off of an item in the light world that Noelle's seen before and recognises? Maybe she was going to comment on him being a darkner in the first place? We don't know, and we won't know until further chapters come out and it's really bugging me (tobiathan foxen why are you like this)
@@kookiautumn1710 well they do look similar and noelle knows asriel but the way she only says that about him could actually prove that they are not the same "It Iooks kind of like..." looks like and IS are different and have different meanings
@@chongwillson972 I agree! It could be that Noelle only knows so many boss monsters, so she only has one to compare Ralsei to, since two out of three of the ones she knows are Old lmao
Another thing I would like to point out is that the characters from Undertale sound like (mostly) like themselves in Deltarune, Ralsei sounds nothing like either age of Asriel (The young one of the grown up one you fight in pacifist)
I thinks that the Darkners that meet each human in the darkworld are based off someone that human knew.(The Darkworld creates a Darkner based off of the humsn memories) For examplem, Ralsei is based off of Asriel, Kris' brother. I still think that Ralsei and Asriel should be treated as different characters, since Ralsei is only merely based off of Asriel.
How would you explain that theory further, though? How does the dark world function? Everything we've seen in-game points to darkners having a history from before Kris and Susie showed up, so how can that be true if the dark world is based off of something within Kris? I know about the "unuverse was made last Tuesday" explination for it, but I don't find it plausible, because what purpose does the prophecy serve if it was decided the moment Kris showed up, and not before?
@Charles incrível Thank you for your input! You make a good point, (and, dont worry, i understood you fine, english isnt my first language either!) kris could've been the one to make both the dark worlds we've seen thus far, but they probably didn't specifically choose how they would look or be about. When it comes to the true dark world, castletown, i HIGHLY doubt that one was made by the knight, or anyone else, because it acts completely differently to all other dark worlds (presumably, we only have two others to go off of). When this logic is applied to Ralsei, it's very likely that he's some kind of being of pure darkness, which feeds into my theory that Asriel is the Angel, a being of pure light, making them more like polar opposites or foils to one another, but thats PURE speculation on my part, we have no evidance for that so far.
@@kookiautumn1710 well, queen says that the knight created cyber world that day but we already knew of queen in chapter 2, so maybe the explanation is predetermination or something like that
@@saret4647 This is sort of delving into an unrelated theory I have about the dark world (that I haven't even finished writing yet, hooray for always being busy), but to try and boil it down: Darkners exist independantly of both the light AND the dark world, more as ideas than as people (like in the dark world) or as items (like in the light world). They physically manifest in the dark world when the item they're tied to is brought within reach of a dark fountain, but some dark fountains are artificial, made by the knight, and therefore cannot sustain all darkners. Ralsei, as a being that originates from the original, "true" dark fountain, can survive being in the other dark worlds. I hope that made sense
@Charles incrível .First of all, I think Cyber World is the name of the new Dark World in Chapter 2, second, unless Ralsie is just lying about being a Darkner, maybe Ralsie himself is a person who is specifically a darkner made by Kris.
excellent video! i never liked the ralsei = asriel theory and this video gives credence to my thoughts. but now that chapter 2 is out, how do you feel about noelle’s dialogue when seeing ralsei for the first time: “he looks kind of like…”, highly likely she was going to say “asriel”. this makes me think that ralsei’s name being an anagram of asriel is more than an aesthetic choice - don’t you think? they definitely aren’t the same person but i am starting to think there may be a connection between the two. as ralsei isn’t directly tied to a light world object (eg. rouxls kaard is connected to the rules card, etc), i’ve seen theories that ralsei is a sort of manifestation of kris’ desire to see their brother again, or to fit in as a human in a monster-dominated world. there’s also theories that ralsei’s light world object is the red horns headband kris used to wear constantly. in the end, there’s only so much we can theorise when there’s only 2/7 chapters out. looking forward to seeing ralsei’s character explored even further! would love to see more wholesome interactions like in the acid tunnel haha
I'm pretty sure Ralsei is the manifestation of the pink horn headband that toriel and Asgore gave to Kris. This would explain why he can travel to other dark fountains and knows of the school and the closet. Because he's been there, always with Kris when they were a child. And maybe Kris still regrets those times and why she doesn't like Ralsei that much as shown from the tea thing. Also why he has pink horns unlike Asriel or Toriel or Asgore
@@ahmed4363 i think that’s the most plausible theory we have so far! tho i am curious as to how the headband ended up in a supply closet if it is true, considering that ralsei was there long enough to have his own kingdom
@Jakoz i did watch the whole video! all i was saying is that ralsei looking similar to/being the same species as asriel may have some relevance to the plot. not saying that they’re the same character of course but i think it is more than just a coincidence.
@@ahmed4363 I think that Ralsei can probably travel through other dark worlds alone, and also be fine, is because he is originated from a pure fountain of darkness. And he is of course THE prince of the dark (maybe also technically a king???)
I know this is a year late, but in regards to the "he looks kind of like..." Noelle actually said "it looks kind of like". She still could've meant Asriel, but the choice of the pronoun "it" opens the door for more interpretations than that. For example, when I first read this I thought she wanted to say "it looks kind of like they're on a date"
Some of the flaws of the " Ralsei is Asriel " Theory Chapter 2 spoilers ahead! if you haven't played Chapter 2, or if you are just starting to play it, i advice you to be careful with this, since it may ruin some special scenes in chapter 2! ( **WARNING SPOILERS!!!**) ( **WARNING SPOILERS!!!**) 1. If it was Asriel he could just go back with the crew to real world, without any problems and going back to his normal life 2. Why would Asriel skip something as important as College for roleplaying as a Dark Prince??? 3. Why should Toby fox add some things that suggest Ralsei likes Kris, if they were " brothers ", like come on it's kinda obvious on some moments, like on the boat ride, if you tell ralsei that you feel weird about him saying that He likes spending time with you alone he would get shocked for a bit and then say he was joking, while turning around, kinda meaning he's sad cause he got rejected, and of course, if you say " i feel the same " he gets shocked and blushes only to reply with, " I'm happy hearing you say that, Kris..." that only makes me think Ralsei does like Kris. ( Also if you hug him there he gets " Hug Master " as his title, and if you go fight and defeat Spamton NEO after the boat ride and hugging the fluffy boy , when susie asks you if you are alright and you answer no, he will give you a hug, then he says some things to relieve you , and something that he tells you that I want to highlight is " Just take some deep breaths and think about.... Something you like, something nice, something soft " I highly think he reffers to him, even more when he says afterwards: I'll be right next to you until you feel better, Kris. (Maybe that's just me overthinking it tho) 4. People say the only way from Ralsei to go from the Chapter 1 dark world to Cyber World is going to the light world and sneakily following Susie and Kris, and that's just a big no, Asriel seems to be loved by everyone in town, and if they saw him EVERYONE would mention it in the end of the game, or interrogating him for hours, asking him how college was etc... 5. Asriel should be way taller for someone that's going to College, and not same size than Kris 6. If it was soooo similar to asriel like people say, Noelle would have probably mentioned it in the game don't you think? 7. Like you mentioned, Asriel would have way more impact on the history as a Final boss on chapter 7, and now that Snowgrave route happenned , maybe there's even a Genocide special Final bossfight. 8. If he was Asriel, he would mention something like missing you atleast once in the game, like some people say he got trapped in dark world and was waiting for you and susie arrival to escape, but it got proved that's not true in Chapter 1, only to kill the theory in Chapter 2. 9. How would he learn all those spells, legends, magic etc.... in such a short time, yeah even if it WAS asriel, i don't think he would get all that wisdom in such a short time. ( If magic existed, it would probably take a LONG time to learn it ) 10. Don't you think Asriel's Teachers would call Toriel to tell her Asriel has been missing / not going to College? " What if he goes to dark world when he finishes his daily classes " R:// What about homework? Well, hope i convinced some peeps that Ralsei isn't Asriel, now shipers can be in peace haha, and also it's fine if you still think they are the same person, afterall it's just a game and in like everything, different opinions exist and i respect them, cheers! ( Sorry for the Grammar mistakes btw, i'm still an english learner! )
This is a really well thought-out addition, thank you!! I don't have anything to add that you didn't mention already, so all i can really say is thank you for doing my work for me hahah I think respecting opinions is important, and getting overly invested in fictional conflicts is not, but there's also a point to be made about how people are actively misreading the setup that the game is giving us. Personal interpretations are fine, but i feel like people may be actively disrespecting the game by trying to make it undertale 2 and not at all seeing it for the story it's actually trying to tell. I really hope i can convince people that Ralsei and Asriel ARE different, purely so they can enjoy the game and it's story for what it really is. And if they want Asriel to be part of Kris' adventures, hey, AUs exist!
This is good evidence, but let me ask you a question: How did Ralsei get to Tech World, and how does he know about the cards' connections to the dark world? It seems to me that asriel is playing 2 identities here.
@@meatyman4803 Magic of course, he's a prince afterall, and has his own dark fountain, it would only make sense that he can teleport to multiple places in the dark world if he uses the power of his fountain.
@@meatyman4803 What does Asriel have to do with this?? If Ralsei knows about the prophecy, its posible that he knows about the light world and its relation to the dark world. He only specifies to go EAST after you exit, because when you first entered the dark world, you headed EAST to reach the fountain. It's not something you NEED to see the spare classroom to know. As for getting to Cyberfield, while we don't know how he got there, chances are all dark worlds are connected in some way (as we know, Queen and King knew each other closely since before their fountains even opened), and Ralsei knowing magic, or just his way around Castletown, could get to wherever he needs to quickly. In the prophecy, Ralsei mentions "a new fountain rising on the horizon" or something of the like, pointing out that he can SEE where new fountains form from his castle. Again, we don't know for sure, because Ralsei likes keeping secrets, but what we DO know is that him being a lightner would cause more logical problems than it would solve.
@@kookiautumn1710 lmao it doesn’t look cursed at all tho, I actually really like the way it was done and I think the colors actually fit them to some extent
From what I’ve seen, having not played the game myself yet, I don’t think there will be any final conclusions on this till later chapters. Considering it’s still early in the story, the audience just does not have enough pieces yet to complete the puzzle. Even with chapter 2 being out, until it’s revealed what exactly Ralslei is hiding (knowledge wise) people are still gonna see the Asriel = Rasali theory. Personally, I’m leaning toward the two are different characters, perhaps meant to be foils but not the same person. For two main reasons, 1- Toby Fox seems like he would make the names/looks similar as a red herring, he’s a bit of a jokester and knows his audience well enough to put this in as a distraction from the truth. And 2 - While Undertale is referenced, Deltarune is technically made before Undertale and developed to the point where it’s a separate story. So it makes sense to me that Rasali would be his own separate character in this new world, plus the fact that what Asriel is up-to was already addressed in game (off to collage).
That's an understandable conclusion to form! I don't think everyone needs to have as strong of an opinion as i do, but this theory bugs me a lot because it seems like people are deliberatly misreading the point of the story and characters. For example, in chapter 2, Kris and Ralsei literally go on a tunnel of love ride in the mansion, and Ralsei talks about how much he likes and appreciates Kris, and how much he wanted to impress them and do right by them. Why would something like that be put in if theyre intended to be familialy related? Of course, no one HAS to agree with me, but i think the game is more likely to be enjoyed if one doesn't outright ignore the setup being made by toby.
@@galarstar052 Ralsei may be secretive, but based on everything we've seen him do thus far we have no reason to believe he's actively malicious in any way. Going so far as to call him a villain is a stretch and a half in my opinion.
@@kookiautumn1710 the villain part was a stretch yeah, mostly wishful thinking on my part since i feel he's a pretty boring character as is and i think him being evil in some way would really add a bit of spice. But i think it's undeniable he's hiding something.
@@galarstar052 Listen I don't doubt for a MOMENT that Ralsei is going to 110% lose his shit and show a side of himself we've never seen before once he finds out Kris opened a (at least one) Dark Fountain. And that's going to be so satisfying to see on so many levels.
9:27 it it litteraly imposible to avoid tropes, to come up with something new. We have reached a point in which PRETTY MUCH everything you have ever thought has been though about once before. Its the COMBINATION of elements that make things new. If you disagree, please reply, i`d love to hear your opinions :)
Remember how things come to life int He Dark World? I have read a theory that Ralsei is Kris's headband, the one they used to wear when they were little to pretend to be a monster (therefore the prominent horns). As a person then, Ralsei essentially becomes the child Kris may have imagined they would have been or, more tragically, should have been to fit in and please their parents. Looking like a mix of Toriel and Asgore, and sharing some of their characte traits. The superficial similarities between Toriel and Ralsei would make sense this way. I'm still undecided on this one, but I like thinking about it.
@@kookiautumn1710 Great video, but I find it strange that you seem to dislike Asriel so much. You even try saying that it’s strange everyone treats him as separate Flowey. But… they aren’t the same entity at all. We would all be evil if we suddenly had our compassion and ability to feel empathy removed from us.
Another thing I see mentioned often is (SPOILERS BELOW) "how could Ralsei travel to Cyberworld in chapter 2"(I think that was the name of the place) Well, he mentions he just traveled there, which him being someone who regularly casts spells is kinda believable. People mention it's suspicious, but to be fair he also traveled to the Card Kingdom with ease. Sure there was a path to a doorway there, but the Card Kingdom and his castle aren't connected. People also ask why he doesn't turn to stone, and I have two things to bring up. One, he mentions that *some* Darkners aren't compatible with other worlds, not all. Secondly, Nubert also doesn't turn to stone. Something I must point out is that they both look like they could fit into either world. Meanwhile, Lancer and Rouxls both don't look like they fit into Cyberworld. They turn to stone, Ralsei and Nubert do not. You can also see this with the Original Starwalker, as he also looks like he can fit in either world and does not turn to stone(as far as I remember) That's just my take though.
Interesting observation with Original Starwalker and Nubert! I think they're exempt because they're joke characters, but you make a good point nonetheless! Though, traveling to Cyberworld was definatly more complicated, or at least more difficult, as the Great Door is closed, seemingly permanantly, and it cannot be used to go to other dark worlds (again, seemingly, because a lot of things about the dark world are still up in the air). Ralsei hides things from the lightners (and the player by proxy), that's not up for debate, but the idea that he's hiding being a lightner is unspeakably far fetched in my opinion
Oh absolutely! I wouldn't be surprised if we run into other Darkners that can travel to other worlds. Ralsei is definitely hiding something, but I don't think he's gonna be a surprise villain like others do, and I 100% don't believe he's Asriel or even a Lightner. I just wanna say rq that your video is really well made btw! It's real nice not seeing the same theory repeated over and over again ^^
@@pumpkinspice5633 Thank you!! I try to bring new arguements to the conversation whenever I can! I think there WILL be some kind of subversion of Ralsei doing everything you tell him to (though that mightve already happened with him refusing to let berdley open another dark fountain), but it's still up in the air whether that would be a grand betrayal like people expect or just a subversion of expectations. Like, how will Ralsei react if/when he finds out Kris opened a dark fountain? It's bound to get a negative reaction out of him, yknow?
No problem! And oh absolutely! My reaction to that was "NO KRIS WHY'D YOU MESS UP THE WHOLESOME MOMENT" I'm very curious as to how Ralsei will react as well, there's definitely going to be some betrayal there(As that was one of the few things Ralsei outright said you don't do, and Kris was one of the closest to Ralsei out of everyone, at least in my playthrough, so he probably expected Kris of all people to listen to him) and that makes me very excited ^^
@@pumpkinspice5633 Yeah! Though, interesting to note would be that Toriel suggests Susie stay over only AFTER she saw Kris lurking around and slashing her tires. Kris orchastrated an event where Susie WOULDN'T be able to leave and opened a dark fountain, maybe out of desperation? My personal interpretation is that, after they saw Noelle deal with her issues with her own mother through the dark world and through Queen specifically, Kris was inspired to try to do the same with their own home life, making Susie stay over basically against her and their mothers will, so that she could be there to help them on their adventure. But again, thats just what I think haha, we'll have to wait and see!
well, no, they’re not THE SAME character, they’re just connected, and it’s likely ralsei is kris’ perfect version of asriel, but that’s just what I think. The reason why ralsei is shorter is to make him more childlike and similar to how asriel was when they were younger, to keep him away from college where they can play together forever. this is the theory that most people I know are actually believing in, not ralsei *literally* being asriel. the “fighting asriel at the end of the game” ending still could work with this in mind and would even work better as an intrusive thought to both ralsei and kris, with susie having to be the icebreaker
I also saw a theory about Ralsei being the perfect version of Kris themself Kris wanted to fit in their family - Ralsei is a goat monster like Kris's family Kris is known as that one creepy kid while Asriel is a nice guy with trophies and stuff and then there is Ralsei who is also all nice and stuff Ralsei doesnt know what its like to be Ralsei There is more to that but i'm tired and dont wanna write
@@arek.k8688 that also makes sense but then why would ralsei like, for example give kris the trophies and stuff? Not really a point of projecting onto another person if you’re capable of just giving that to yourself
some are part of both communities,, havent seen them at all anywhere but They Must Be Out There.... sorry you had to find out through UA-cam comments :((
While Asriel and Ralsei are different people entirely, (it’ll probably stray off topic a bit, maybe haha) in my own opinion, it still doesn’t necessarily exempt him from being a bit, well, suspicious in chapter 2 at certain points. I saw in the comments of a streamer I watch [Saltydkdan’s], a stream of him playing Chapter 2 of Deltarune. They commented about how Ralsei basically knows about the dark worlds of the game being regular classrooms. And, along with how he knew different parts of specific areas in having dark fountains and such. This also brings up how he didn’t get turned into stone like Lancer and Rouxls did, because of how they didn’t belong in the specific bit of the cyber world. Something else to note, how the hell did Ralsei get to Susie and Kris at that moment too? There’s a ton to unpack with Deltarune so far but, I suppose we’ll have to wait for chapter 3 and so forth with that ending we got left on in chapter 2, huh? Anyway, I enjoyed this breakdown of Asriel and Ralsei’s characters perspectively. You did great, nice work! :)
Thank you! Those are all valid questions to have, and I have some possible explinations/theories 1) Ralsei could've been a item in the light world, like other darkners are, explainging how he knows about certain light world locations (my personal theory is that he might be Kris' old horn headband, explaining why he knows so many places, Kris used to take him everywhere), but I can't deny that the way he acts is extremely suspicious. 2) It's possible that, because Ralsei is from the "true" dark fountain (the one that can sustain all darkners), he is able to survive any dark world himself, as he could also be made of "pure darkness" 3) His travel through the worlds is mysterious, but not impossible. Maybe the dark worlds are all connected, and Ralsei (who knows his way around castletown better than anyone) is best equipped to get to where he needs to be in a moments notice. I think at some point in chapter 1, he describes SEEING the formation of another dark fountain on the horizon, meaning he can see things from his castle that are far away. But that's pure speculation on my part...
Are people genuinely arguing they're the same person? i mean, that's a bit silly but it's undeniable that they're linked in some way, Toby's not gonna make a big deal out of him looking like Asriel and having a name that's an anagram of Asriel for no reason, he did a similar thing in Undertale where both Asgore and Asriel's names are meaningful anagrams.
Toby Fox when interviewed about Deltarune Chapter One. Mentioned that Kris and Ralsei's origins should be "fairly obvious". Its safe to assume that they are based on Frisk and Asriel from Undertale. I do treat Ralsei and Asriel as separate characters, but to say that Ralsei and Asriel coming from the same tree branch is "unfounded". Is kind of ignoring how similiar they actually are. I do think Toby making them similar is intentional, which we will probably find out why in later chapters.
@Quarlie sufficient enough proof. (i was on the wrong account when i said my comment) (you say no, so you supply the proof.) (...not that I believe in it.)
It’s glaringly obvious that Ralsei is some kind of manifestation or “dark world reflection“ of Asriel. They aren’t the same person but they’re corrrelated in some way.
The question very much is why? After all, there don't seem to be any other 'dark world reflections' of other lightners - let alone lightners with some connection to Undertale. Ralsei's isolated from every other darkner both narratively and metatextually, an anomaly not seen elsewhere. The question is why is he like this?
@@lozm4835 I think it has to do with the fact that some aspects of the Dark World seem to represent family trauma. Chapter 2's Dark World seems to be about Noelle's Mother (represented by Queen), so Kris might be undergoing separation anxiety from missing Asriel, so the Dark World have manifested Ralsei as a reflection of that. Or something, I'm not really sure.
@@emmalion1976 iirc Noelle is mentioned as having a strained relationship w her mother, and Queen is very overbearing and tries to help her (in a way that ends up being harmful) so maybe she’s an inverse reflection of some kind?
@Rand0m_Anon asgore: give these to your mother ,son! kris takes them and leaves asgore makes a mad dash towards the family house while changing into his toriel costume all the while not once getting spotted
The thing you mentioned about the little prince made me think about flowey/asriel. As a lightner, Ralsei and other darkners would feel inclined to serve him, like the little prince. The lightners that come to the dark world do not abuse his kindness, but asriel... might, depending on what he thinks the dark world is. This is why I think Asriel MIGHT be the knight. The end of his university semester approaches, so he gets bored. He thinks of his home, and his determination to stave off boredom is strong enough to open dark fountains. The darkners can "hear" him, and wish to serve him. Note that "The Roaring" seems similar to what Asriel did at the end of UNDERTALE. He made every monster forget all their experiences, resetting them, and tried to make the player lose themselves as well. The Roaring means that darkners will die, and lightners will become lost. If we see the roaring, it might mean Berdly becomes arrogant again, Susie becomes a jerk, and Kris becomes closer to his true self than he is with the player, e.g, a pie chomping prankster.
I just realized I think Asriel is very likely to come in chapter seven due to Toriel saying he will come in a week and there being 7 days in a week with 7 chapters and every chapter is one day for kris Susie etc
While I do agree it would make no sense for Asriel to be Ralsei, especially since Ralsei is certainly a Darkner due to his sprite portrait and the fact that there would be no reason for Asriel to be in the Dark World unless there was something far larger going on I also believe looking to Undertale for references of who Asriel is completely missed the point of Deltarune being wildly different from Undertale You even kinda… proved that yourself through discussing who Toriel and Asgore are in Deltarune
Here's a bad theory that I don't really believe but I'm throwing out there to sow chaos: Ralsei is Asriels real brother and there was some kind of Baby swap shananigan with Kris. I have no justification for this other than "goat". I will not be taking questions at this time.
Also, why on earth would Kris' own brother blush when they get near to him? That would just be straight up weird and I know Toby would not do that kinda stuff-
This is also debunked by Chapter 2, since Ralsei seems to be hinting at having romantic emotions fro Kris, which, y'know, it'd be suuuper fucked up if it was his brother.
@@inactiveuser-1856 it doesn't even make any sense, why would Asriel be suddenly younger? Why are his horns different? Why is his personality so drastically changed when everyone else's is the same? Why does he blush and get awkward in front of Kris? Why does he not recognize his sibling, or his sibling's friends?
I didn't finish the video yet but for now it's on a pretty good quality. I'm glad that alot of people could find this vid even if it is your first one, good luck with the channel keep the good work!
Also i dont really think asriel is asriel in this universe, toby fox is known to make plot twists and its very convenient we have no idea how asriel looks like, at all. Hell, i wouldnt we suprised if this "asriel" somehow looks like papyrus or something hehe
Thank you! And, sorry to dissapoint i guess haha. Videos take a while to make and, although its REALLY fun for me, and i love arguementing for or against stuff because I'm a huge nerd, I'm working on a seperate project right now (Dread Not to be specific), and am also still neck deep in school shit, so I don't have a lot of time to do big video essays, even though I really want to ;_; Though, I'll be honest, I have a LOT of thoughts and theories about chapter 2, so i *might* make a video about them all some day, but don't get your hopes up too much it wouldn't be anytime soon... (PS - regarding your reply - if Asriel turns out to be some other guy that would be both hilarious but also slightly disappointing i think because he's a really popular character lmfao)
I think ralsei is a Titan, from the roaring, or as I like to think of them "The Children of the Angel" and i think that would make sense, since being the child of a god-like being it would make sense that he would know so much about thr light world, the roaring, *the angel itself.* But yeah, thats my theory.
Let's not forget to mention that for Toriel to know Asriel was coming to visit, he would need to call or text her, and PHONES DONT WORK IN THE DARK WORLD
I honestly never liked the asriel is ralsei theory , because then that would imply that asriel left his home , and slept in a closet for months, pretends to be a 14 and changed his name , acts like he’s the prince of a town , and (a lot more in chapter 2 ) kind of sort of … shows feelings for his brother
more evidence: in chapter 2, if you give Noelle Ralsei tea, (you have to hack the game to do this btw) Noelle says its empty, because at the time Noelle doesn't know Ralsei. However, Noelle does know Asriel.
And now recently we have the fact that Ralsei seems to have a crush on Kris, or at least somewhat hints towards it in Queen's castle People will argue that that makes their relationship really weird but like Do you really think that Asriel of all people would have a crush on his sibling? Even knowing that in this universe Asriel is like- WAY older than Kris? (The gang seems to be all Highschoolers while Asriel is a college kid and the people who knew him all mention him being the Older brother while Kris was the smaller one) Like, just think about it. Would Toby really do that or is it just your weird theory that is making you think that?
I've always seen Ralsei as a memory of Asriel at most. The cute brother Kris holds in their mind. Yet, Ralsei Tea doesn't benefit Kris as much as Kris Tea does Ralsei. Why? Because Asriel is coming back. Bigger Different They're struggling to not get attached to their last memory of their best friend, because they doesn't know how their big brother has changed.
Honestly, this theory of the Darkworld being kris imagination or Ralsei also being kris imagination is just game theory crap. Plus of him being the headband lol, The light thingy that was shown when we jumped in was Roulx Kaard, ppl are just taking various personality traits and magic that Ralsei has and assuming that Kris wanted to have those things. Plus this "memory of cute brother" doesnt rly fit in, Asriel certainly does not have that personality as you can see while talking to other monsters in the surface, AND Kris has talked to Asriel online in video calls before, and i doubt it wasnt enough for him to realize Asriels personality.
Another one- a big point that I havent seen many bring up: When folks from the main cast first meet Ralsei, none of them say anything about Ralsei looking similar to Asriel- which we can assume this means that Asriel in Deltarune looks nothing like he did in Undertale.
@@calebrock1o110 I'm referring to the folks like Noelle and Susie who had prior knowledge of who Asriel was and what he looked like. What I'm saying is: If Ralsei looked like a carbon-copy of Asriel- or ANYTHING like him, one of them would've made the comparison. Yet neither Kris, nor Susie, nor Noelle, nor Berdly ever bring that up.
@@matti.8465 I don't think sans rembers every reset per se, But he clearly is aware of them in some way. Also, How does the fandom mischaracterize papyrus?
The whole 'ralsei is asriel' theory is absolutely hilarious in how bad it is. But instead of tearing it apart more, I want to propose a functional alternative (well actually two, one normal and one decidedly not true but still technically possible): 1) Ralsei is asriel's OC, effectively. If we're following the theory that Kris didn't make the Castle Town fountain (separate thing, namely due to the idea that the fountains Kris makes (yes I am saying that the CH1 and CH2 fountains were made by Kris) are impure and can't support all darkners), then it could be possible that Asriel was the one who made it, and used a bit of himself, maybe some fur shed or something, to make its guardian, since every fountain we've seen has a dedicated guardian, even if they seem to double as the rulers of their respective areas (oh hey Ralsei fits this too). Asriel could very well have wished to not have to live up to everyone's expectations. We've seen what happens with his character when he isn't associated with his identity, and maybe he wanted that to a lesser extent, not having to worry about being in charge, or knowing everything, and just wanting to have a fun adventure where he doesn't have to be in control. It raises a lot of weird questions about Asriel as a person but hey that's not directly disproven in this theory. In that sense, Ralsei's name would work as, as we know, the Dreamurr family like puzzles, and anagrams are close enough that he could totally have done that and thought it was funny enough to keep. There are definitely issues with this, like why Kris doesn't know the prophecy (though I don't think we have any actual proof that Kris doesn't, just that Susie doesn't, and if that's the case then Asriel and Kris could have totally played around in the Dark World and them growing up or maybe Asriel heading off to college was when they, the Lightners abandoned the Darkners. idk.) 2) Ralsei is Asriel, but a few steps to the left. Now, this is the absolutely decidedly not true theory (but isn't directly disprovable). We learned in the snowgrave route, or at least can infer, that Kris is aware of ways to hide a body. Additionally, we don't have any actual confirmation that, well... Asriel has directly *spoken* with anyone while he's been at college. If someone had his phone, they could send texts to people and make them think everything is fine, while the real Asriel is somewhere else. Because here's the thing. Every single Darkner we've seen has been a reflection of an object in the Light World. This is directly confirmed by Lancer and Roulx's presence in the inventory. So... what object made Ralsei? Well, given the resemblance, and the fact that we never saw the inside of the closet (and never will unless that fountain is sealed) its *technically* possible that Ralsei was formed from, well, Asriel. Either by Kris killing their brother and using the body to create a version that wouldn't be in the spotlight constantly, and would be Kris's shadow instead of Kris being stuck as their older brother's... it could work, especially given how fucked up Kris's home life seems to be, and how much less of a reaction they give to manipulating a friend into killing someone as opposed to just... fighting spamton neo and dealing with the puppet stuff. The near complete lack of response to snowgrave makes me think they could be rather desensitized to that stuff. Anyway, the other option is pretty much the same, except with kidnapping instead of murder. Though that would raise the question as to why Ralsei isn't aware of them being Asriel like how Kris and Susie are aware of their lightner nature, but its still concerning. That being said, a very likely candidate is that Ralsei's material he was made from is the corpse of Kris's brother, and Kris has been using Asriel's phone and other online info to trick everyone into thinking he's still alive and at college, but the upcoming break means there's no way they can escape the consequences any longer, which is why they've started making new Dark Fountains, fully aware of the possibility of ending the world, as if that happens they don't get held accountable. That second one is like the weird route of theories, and no part of me believes it, but it technically could work, and it would explain Ralsei's source item. But the first one is definitely more likely. Anyway, bonus observation about a thing in the video (that's also just a lighthearted shitpost because I theorized about literal murder above): Kris is just an anagram of Frisk but with the F removed. And given the death of 6 children in the past in Undertale, its possible that the F was added to pay respects.
I never bought into this theory, since Ralsei is a Darkner, and Asriel is definitely a Lightner. Also in light of chapter 2 the joking theory that you used to prove a point falls even flatter than it did before since now we have seen Toriel and Asgore in the same room together.
Very well put together and logically makes a lot of sense. Also, what you said at the beginning is simply untrue, every second of this video was entertaining and I loved it
I love that art on 3:10. Not only it is drawn well, but also that expression of Chara like "Okay, whatever, then you were not the greatest person either!"
It's not just the first dark fountain, it's the GRAND dark fountain that could not have been created by Kris because of it's very nature (being made of pure darkness), and the grand fountain is THE fountain Ralsei is from. Ralsei is, arguably, the only darkner who was never influenced by the knight or a lightner's will (until he started doing everything Kris and Susie say, of course).
I agree that Ralsei isn't Asriel but he HAS to be related to Asriel in some way. The fact that Noelle almost mistakes Ralsei for Asriel and the fact that he's the only Darkener like that, it's too much of a resemblance to not have some significance. Maybe the item he is in the real world is something Asriel made or something like the red horns Toriel mentioned Kris once wearing, similar to how Lancer was a Jack of Spades and Rouxls Caard was a Rules Card.
I personally think that Ralsei is the character created by Asriel when he lived in town, possibly played as him. The Darkners are objects that come to life, and Ralsei is Asriel's costume come to life or/and the idea of the character come to life.
Interesting idea! It's one of the more likely connections between the two I think, but it's still a bit strange how much romantic subtext Ralsei has with Kris in that context...
@@kookiautumn1710 There are moments in the game like Ralsei not having his own room both in his own castle and queen's mansion and when Ralsei and Kris are on the blimp Ralsei wonders what it's like to be Ralsei implying that he has an identity crisis. I believe Ralsei just tries to be Asriel, but doesn't know how to be him, maybe he learned some things from Toriel when Asriel was in college, possbily to make Kris (and the player) more happy and feel less alone, and i believe the story will go in the direction of giving him his own personallity and life as the story progresses. So maybe their relationship won't go as wierd? There is also a tea easter egg that imply that Kris doesn't like Ralsei as much as they like Susie and Noelle, so it's possible he actually doesn't remind the characters of Asriel as we might think.
@@IamNCortex I think Ralsei's crisis of identity is mostly rooted in him being alone his whole life. A person gets a very vague idea of who they are when they're alone for long persiods of time, isolation does weird shit to your perception of pretty much everything. Not knowing what "being Ralsei-like" means to Ralsei is a byproduct of him trying so hard to be a good person and a good friend that he no longer knows what his wants are vs what needs to be done. He follows whatever Kris says even if he doesn't like it, and that's not something someone sure in themselves would do in his situation i think. Ralsei is hiding a lot of information, so it's still unknown why he doesnt have his own room, or what the big locked door in his castle is for, and the like. It's very possible that the next chapter will focus on him, through the setup of him not really knowing who he is, and Kris opening a dark fountain themselves, something Ralsei explicitly states he is against under all circamstances. You bring up a good point though from WHERE Ralsei learned how to behave and what the prophecy is and the like, but learning from Toriel or Asriel is far fetched as no-one has entered the dark world before Kris and Susie, and Ralsei explicitly says he's had no friends until they came around... A lot of food for thought but not a lot of confirmation about Ralsei's past...
I never thought as Ralsei to be literally Asriel, but rather is intentionally reminiscent of him. Like how Kris is obviously supposed to have major resemblances, yet there are obvious differences. Deltarune is intentionally a bizzaro version of Undertale.
I agree with you the ralsei is not physically Asriel but I do think that he is a representation of the Asriel Kris knew when Asriel was that age. I’m willing to hear if something I’m not thinking about debunks this but I think it works pretty well (the knight can still be Asriel but just a representation of adult Asriel)
im certain he doesnt. toby was involved with homestuck. needless to say, hes very familiar with fandom and how insane it can be, especially since he is the creator of what is widely renowned as one of the craziest, so i highly doubt he would open that can of worms.
with chapter 2, the "ANGELS HEAVEN" mentioned in the prophecy is most likely us, the player, considering all the context clues we've been given so far also good call! susie HAS never met asriel
idk, i've never really interpreted ralsei as being (literal) asriel, but actually as a reinterpretation of the character. Kinda like how Lancer is compared to Sans, despite them being different characters.
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Sweet Jesus Christ on a Stick this video has over 15k views now. This makes me happy, but also extremely terrified, where did you people come from???
Anywho, answering comments is fun and all, but there’s a few reoccurring things that people keep bringing up and I’m getting very tired of my phone being blown up by youtube notifications when I’m in class. So, this will be my FINAL reply to the whole comment section as a whole, and also adding arguments against the “A is R” theory that we got from Chapter 2.
This doesn’t mean I’ll stop reading the comments though, it just means I will cease arguing with people because every possible thing I could want to say on this topic further will be here.
1) Ralsei doesn’t get petrified in cyber world.
This is brought up by people a lot to say that Ralsei is a lightner, actually. Well, not exactly. See, Ralsei’s fountain is make of “pure darkness” as he describes it, making it possible for any Darkner to live in Castletown. It’s not a stretch to assume that this same logic applies to Ralsei, as he originates from this fountain, therefore he would be fine in other dark worlds, because he himself is made of “pure darkness”. Ralsei not explaining this himself in the chapter IS suspicious though, I will admit.
2) Ralsei getting to Cyber Field on his own.
Another thing people use to explain he’s a lightner. This would cause more problems though, because he would get spotted on his way to the library from the school. Not to mention, Ralsei (mentioning this again for people who forgot ig) HAS COLOURED TALKSPRITES. No darkner has black and white sprites, and no lightner has coloured sprites, this is an established part of Toby’s world building and dismissing it in order to frame Ralsei as a giant liar and manipulator is just lazy.
3) Is he Asriel though?
If the above two points didn’t prove it enough, then a different part of chapter 2 sure as shit did.
In Queen’s mansion, we see she has a room for every lightner that used/uses the library, each room catering to that person’s interests through their search history. Asriel HAS a room in her mansion (that Kris refuses to peek inside of), and Queen EXPLICITLY SAYS she doesn’t have a room for Ralsei, turning him into her butler instead!
Ding dong, the wicked theory is DEAD.
Just to drive the point home further, Kris gets like 60 HP from RalseiTea (for those not in the loop, there’s a part of the game where you can buy tea in the flavour of your friends, and the amount of HP someone gets from drinking it varies depending on how they feel about that person, Noelle gets 400 HP from SusieTea, Susie gets 120 HP from everyone’s teas, etc.), when we KNOW they care about Asriel deeply and their throat tightens when they drink the hot chocolate that reminds them of him. Ralsei gets the same amount of HP from both Susie AND Kris, making it unlikely that Ralsei is related to them in any way. It would make a lot more sense that he feels the same about them because they’re both his new friends, and likes them equally for their own strengths and weaknesses.
4) Ok so is Ralsei a Dreemurr instead?
Somehow, someway, some people GENUINELY missed the point of me comparing Ralsei to Toriel. The point is that Ralsei acting a little like EVERY Dreemurr means he ISN’T ANY ONE OF THEM. Not to mention, he doesn’t LOOK like any of them, either. He has coloured horns, and his fur has pink streaks (NOT full blown hair like Asgore has), meaning he’s not related to any of the Dreemurrs. People have brought up Noelle’s observation of Ralsei when she first sees him that she cuts off (“It kind of looks like…”), but exactly BECAUSE the sentence is cut off, we don’t know what she wanted to say, or why. She never brings it up again, even when Ralsei is right behind her, so we can assume it wasn’t anything terribly important or earth shattering.
Personally, I think Ralsei being Kris’ old horn headband makes a lot of sense. It would explain why he’s so attached to Kris specifically (he was their headband), why he knows places in the light world (Kris used to wear the headband everywhere), why he looks like a boss monster (Kris got the horns so they could feel more like part of their family), why he’s always so alone (Kris was a lonely kid, even with Asriel around, and the horns were a futile attempt for them to fit in with a town full of monsters), and most of all, why he has coloured horns (which is clearly the biggest issue surrounding Ralsei).
5) Why does everyone keep bringing up Chara.
I’m serious, several people have tried to argue Chara logic and semantics with me in the comments when Chara was mentioned ONCE in the video and had ONE physical shitpost cameo. For all intents and purposes, I believe in the Chara Narrator theory, and anyone who wants to argue about Undertale should find a different comment section. If anyone wants my opinions of the Undertale Dreemurrs as a whole, I wrote a whole essay about it and posted it to my ao3 that’s linked in the description. Please, this video is about DELTARUNE, NOT UNDERTALE, the games are SEPARATE and for the love of god, don’t equate Chara and KRIS. (Kris has enough people trying to posses them please leave them be-)
6) My personal ramblings that no-one cares about
I mentioned my theory that Asriel is the Angel of the prophecy, and I think there’s some vague-ish evidence hinting towards that in chapter 2, relating to Ralsei specifically. In Kris’ dark world room, the carpet with the delta rune is coloured. Specifically, the three little triangles are coloured in Kris’, Susie’s, and Ralsei’s colours, each triangle representing one of them. Ralsei is the one facing downward, directly opposite to the angel, just as Susie and Kris are directly opposite to each other too. I think that Ralsei and Asriel could be thematically linked in a similar way that Kris and Susie are.
Seeming similar at first glance (bangs over eyes, social outcasts, violent pranksters and troublemakers), but being thematically opposite (monster/human, magic/no magic, taking choices into her own hands/losing control and the ability to choose entirely). Think about how Asriel and Ralsei are both boss monsters that are nice to people, but are thematically opposed through popularity/isolation, light/dark, emotional/level-headed, etc. It just fits too neatly for me to think it’s all a coincidence. I know a lot of people think Noelle will be the angel of the prophecy, and while it’s possible, I wouldn’t put money on it, because her character arc seems to have neatly ended with chapter 2’s conclusion, no matter which route you took.
7) More videos when?
I am UNSPEAKABLY happy that people want to see more from me but, unfortunately, school is a thing that eats away at my time and soul, so I can’t focus on videos full-time, not to mention the fact that I’m already working on a big project as is. It’s called Dread Not, it’s a Deltarne/Undertale AU comic, check it out if you want more content from me more regularly.
However I WILL say, I’m planning on making a video about the entirety of Chapter 2, and knowing that the script for it isn’t even done yet, it’s far away from being finished in the near future. Or the future in general. Maybe I’ll finish it next year, who knows. Either way this won’t be my last video about Deltarune.
Thank you all again for watching (and reading this ungodly spiel), I never thought this silly little video would get so much attention!
(Also feel free to reply to this with links to any social media post you found this video through because I want to see what people are saying about it on other platforms heheheh)
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It's actually quite fun to see how many points you made got additional validation from chapter 2 so soon after you made them with no way of knowing the next chapter was right on the horizon when you posted the video. perfect storm for the algorithm, I suppose. ...If anything, Ralsei is more of a stand-in for Kris's desire to be a monster and loneliness manifested into a Darkner. That'd come with some seriously mixed feelings, thus Kris's middling heal from Ralsei Tea.
Now, the fact that Ralsei's fountain is special is place for some interesting speculation. Did Kris channel all their need for companionship into creating Ralsei, or did someone else make his dark world before Kris ever started doing so? Maybe Asriel created the grand dark fountain? Maybe someone else that had a vested interest in Kris's emotional state? How did anyone even learn to make dark worlds in the first place, and is that connected to why Ralsei is more knowledgeable about broader dark world mechanics than other darkners? So far everything we think we know about the Knight is from darkners that seemingly only guessed at its nature while observing it from afar, attributing their own biases onto it. Or, if the grand dark fountain is a natural occurrence, why is Ralsei both its prince while also still having connections to specific lightners?
The end will be related in some way to Asriel coming back. Since he comes back at day seven, when the last chapter of Deltarune is, so he actually could be the angel and he could be involved in all the thing somehow. And also I would like to add, that when you where in the kings darkworld you could travel from Ralsei’s fountain to kings fountain in the darkworld (the heroes entered there through the big gray door, and ended in the unused classroom, so they also traveled from one place to another inside the darkworld), so maybe darkworlds can be connected somehow in general and that is why Ralsei could travel. He hides secrets and we don’t understand a lot about him but that doesn’t makes him evil, maybe Toby is just not revealing everything yet and maybe we could have a twist or not. We don’t know, we are just assuming things due to lack of info. Very good video and comment!!
maybe asriel
instead of going to college
hid in lonely dark world
this would be the only thing what explain him beloning in dark worlds and how the f he can travel tru them, and not be a stone in the end
and it simply would be a good twist for the game perspective
and a small one is HOW?? DID HE KNOW?? NAMES OF THE LIGHT NER
I understand you're not going to reply, but I want to make this much clear: I've never heard it said that Ralsei *is* Asriel, rather more like Ralsei *represents* Asriel. Since we didn't know much during chapter 1, the theory was built on the idea that the Dark World is a roleplaying game, using the items in the room (which is partly true, as it turns out) that Kris and Asriel used to play, and thus the figure of Ralsei might have been either Asriel's character or a stand-in. Taking what we know from chapter 2, that latter bit may still be true in some way. Like if there's a trinket (as others have suggested, Kris' headband) that was particularly tied to Asriel, or maybe even straight-out a picture or drawing that Kris made at some point.
Some small observations now that chapter 2 came out.
-There's a lot of Kris x Ralsei "fanservice" in the game, it would be really weird if Ralsei and Asriel turn out to be the same character.
-When Kris, Susie and Berdly get captured by Queen, we also see a room for Asriel, and once we reunite with Ralsei he says that Queen didn't have a room for him.
-About the idea you brought up of Asriel being the angel, i think it's interesting the computer in Kris' room makes a reference to Asriel's final boss fight from undertale, specifically pointing out his rainbow wings. And also, we now know that the game will have seven chapters, with each chapter apparently being a different day, wich means Asriel should be coming back at the end of the last chapter.
I definitely don't think Ralsei and Asriel are the same character, but i do feel like they're going to be thematically connected (they're probably just meant to parallel each other or something like that)
Thank you for the added info from chapter 2! I've been meaning to make an addition like yours but i just didn't have the time haha...
As for thematic connectedness, I agree. It's not out of the question that they're connected in *some* way, but people's insistsnce that they're the *same* is what bothers me, as it goes against the narrative that deltarune is trying to set up and tell.
Again, thank you for taking the time to point out all the new theory fodder we got in chapter 2!
Yeah, i feel like chapter 2 does show that ralsei and asriel are connected, but _also_ that ralsei seems to know more about things then we seem (also ig mild spoilers):
1) Ralsei seems to be the only one to DIRECTLY mention the light world, not only does he mention the school classroom, but casually mentions how to get around the school to gather all the materials (unless I’m being dumb then also how would he know that would too without prior knowledge?)
2) Are we just not going to mention that ralsei casually waltz into the cyber city to save susie and kris at the start when the only way we know of is through is through the entrance near the computer room? (Kris and susie used it to enter, we can assume that noelle and berdly did the same, lancer and rouuejslxe came in via kris’ pocket and as far as I’m aware there isn’t any other characters we’ve seen before). This kinda just shows more how ralsei somehow knows about the world. Wether or not this means that he has access to it directly or kinda just _knows_ is left in the air but its still weird to think about. I mean, he _could_ have a chance to leave the dark world without kris or susie noticing in these two examples, but then we have the issues of “how does he not turn into a card or something” and “how would nobody else notice” but now i feel like waffling so I’m going to end this point now.
3) Somehow, most of the cast that isn’t the main trio just ignore ralsei’s existence. This goes as small to the queen not having enough cages for ralsei and also not a room for him (despite having one for asriel somehow, which kinda shows how they’re linked but still why a room for asriel?), noelle saying that there is nothing in ralsei’s tea to flat-out being COMPLETELY IGNORED in the final goodbye message.exe the queen does, even AFTER the two talked to each other (even berdly at least got something lmao). I’m not actually going to go into this point but it’s still something to mention.
4) how does he not turn into a statue, like at all? I mean, it makes sense if he’s a prince of the dark fountain and therefore is of pure darkness, but still, what? Also why didn’t he mention it as soon as they met cause didn’t he know that lancer and rodjdhlxe was in kris’ pocket? Also, I’m pretty sure lancer and berdly talked to each other before one of the puzzles (with sussie there so its not like they were alone like with ralsei and the queen) so i think its safe to say that “everyone forgetting that you exist” isn’t a sign that you don’t belong in that world.
@@Nam_gwen Couldn't have said it better myself! If we were to take the literary analysis approach, which i typically don't like doing, we could say that Ralsei being thematically tied to "pure darkness" means he's also tied thematically to irrelevance, and secrecy, which isn't innacurate. In stories, the symbol of light is used to bring attention, good fortune, relevance, truth, while darkness is used as a symbol of mystery, bad luck, irrelevance, and secrecy. Whether this is the reason Ralsei is Like That or not, I don't know, and I wouldn't be too quick to assume that's all the goat boy has going on.
@@kookiautumn1710 fluffy boi
Well according to Toriel, Asriel is gonna visit us during the weekend, so at max in chapter 5
Jeez, "putting Asgore's advances in the trash where they belong" is so harsh LOL. I just want the man to be happy ;(
I love Asgore unspeakably, he's my favourite Undertale character and third favourite in Deltarune, but man needs to learn when to quit lmfao
#AsgoreDefenseSquad
@@kookiautumn1710 totally agree, sometimes its hard to let things go, and if you think about it, in undertale asgore never tries to come back with toriel, however in deltarune we can see how he is trying to reconect, this mean that in undertale he knows that what he did is way too big to be back with her, wich means that in deltarune he did somethings that is below killing, wich can be almost anything
i also need to know why did they break up, the curiosity is killing me!
@@kookiautumn1710 tbh thats very true
@@afasdfasafd314 i feel like asgore may have something to do with dess missing,it may have just been he failed to find her, punched a hole in the wall out of frustration, since both families were very close, almost as losing a Family member and decided to quit after that, maybe that made the marriage unstable because of all the stress
My only theory is that either: Asriel gonna sleep through the whole chap 7 because driving and stuff or come home a stoner with his friend chara.
Stoner Asriel is something I year for.
hes gonna be in a band with chara and have practice for his heavy metal band
Asriel and Chara meeting in college as stoner roommates sounds like the best timeline.
(…except for Toriel.)
@natsubit he will appear in chap 6 or 7 but I doubt chap 1 is Monday. Since alphys said in chap 2 that the day after isn't a school day, so I'm guessing chap 3 is Friday or Saturday.
@@PJBloop chapter 3 is the festival so that might just be why school is out.
despite how tragic it looks, asgore in deltarune is still in a better position than asgore in undertale (alive childs, not killed anybody, monsters are free)
im so curious how powerful asgore would be if he doesn't hesitate to fight just like in undertale
yeah like bro's depressed but not yk wanting to off himself
I honestly hope they're separate characters because I think two goat characters are better than one lmao.
I hate asriel
@@joaquinjovane1211 DAMN MAN WAHAHAHDBSNDBFN 💀 cool for you
@@moistwrmonastring1017 why
Toby isn’t that predictable of course he wouldn’t he keeps up with online stuff too I think he would watch a few theories
@@gamercentral2417 but i have noticed that toby doesn't add any theory to the game that is incredibly popular.. he added in chapter 2 tho the detail of kris eating the pie at the start due to a reference here on this: ua-cam.com/video/LAa5saO2O8c/v-deo.html& so that hints that even popular theories still get added sometimes...
The only thing not mentioned here is the actual thematic reason Ralsei would even LOOK like a boss-monster, (because making a character look like another for no reason other than shock value is generally considered bad storytelling.) I think I've figured it out though.
The Darkners are all animate sentient representations of various objects, the most obvious example of this being the Card Characters. I think Ralsei is the pair of fake red horns that Kris' family got them. The obvious connection is the pink horns on Ralsei's head, but I think it goes deeper than that. During the boat ride scene in Chapter 2, Ralsei tells us about how his niceness comes from his need to have friends. The red horns were given to Kris because they wanted to fit in better with their family. Ralsei is a lonely prince because he's the personified representation of an object associated with being an outsider, and wanting to belong. That's also why he looks like a boss monster, because Kris wanted to feel like part of the family.
Well, that's my theory anyway. We won't really know until the full game is released.
I'm a big fan of this theory, too! Thank you for putting it into words so nicely!
I remember someone from game theory (can't remember whether it was matpat or austin) basically said that ralsei was "a version of asriel who is incapable of leaving him" (that "him" referring to kris), and because of the ending of chapter 2 (SPOILERS INBOUND!!!!) we literally know that kris is the one who makes the dark fountains, and thus, the dark worlds. also, it's entirely possible that kris and asriel could've created the dark world in the closet long before the events of deltarune take place, which would make since as to why the castle town's fountain seems to have been there for a long time, as compared to the card kingdom fountain, which was fairly recent. building on that theory, kris could've created ralsei as a darkner in asriel's image with the mental qualities of toriel, so that he would be more agreeable and be more like the sidekick character.
what makes me wary of this theory is the fact that if a Darkner sourced from inanimate objects from the lightners world, will go back to being that inanimate object in the lightners world. So how did Ralsei get to Cyber World in Ch 2 without turning into the horn headband?
Like either theyre a Darkner and somehow found some secret passage/transport between dark worlds, or they're actually a Lightner (or possibly even something else entirely), left the first dark world and and went to the library's dark world like Kris and Susie did
Which honestly, I feel like they'd have to be a Lightner/Something Else because they also have knowledge of the classroom in the school that has everyone from Chapter 1, asking you to gather the items from that classroom and return them to the town so that everyone can come back
Hell the fact they even have knowledge of inanimate items being civilians in the dark world seems really weird. Why would he know that, how could he know that? Contextually from where he is in the dark world when all of a sudden everyone else disappears, how could he come to the conclusion that "everyone is just board game pieces in a classroom"
@@itsClaptrap I don't think he's a Lightner because in battle, he falls in a way that no other character does, just collapsing into a pile of clothes. Not even other monster characters do that. He's probably not using the Light World because we've never seen Lightners change shape beyond their outfit and colors, and people would just see Asriel walking around. He could very well be something completely different, but we haven't been given any lore aside from the Titans that implies there are other forces, and I don't think Ralsei is a Titan, given how average-sized he is.
As for the knowledge he possesses, he's not the only possible Darkner who's known these things. Queen also knows she's in a library though, while some citizens of Cyber City don't even know what an internet is. This might imply that there is some sort of knowledge of the light world that fountain keepers just have.
Honestly I believe this theory. I mean I’m confused on whether the Darkworld is just fiction or real in the universe, but Ralsei does seem to represent a few things about Kris with the facts we know(like the pink pair of horns being given to him when he was younger).
It’s also mentioned that Kris has done online calls with Asriel before (alphys at the beginning of chapter 2). This would be impossible from the dark world (if the phone can’t work how would a online call) much less the fact leaving to do so would also be impossible without a human soul (or atleast that’s what I’m getting from the fountain sealing cutscenes at the end of each chapter (also said to be the only way home in chapter 1 (kinda weird though since you can leave the town any time you want in chapter 2 (though not possible in chapter 1 so it’s safe to assume that it wasn’t an option until the other fountain was sealed))))
I think it’s weird that he can go to other dark worlds but maybe I’m not paying attention. I’m kinda thinking ralsei is asriels dark world form. I’m also thinking he travels in and out from time to time.
Lol I would feel bad if a monster entered the dark world by itself if it can’t get out without a human entering.
i think its moreso a human soul is needed to seal the fountain as opposed to being required to leave
@@snorseburger7381 still stupid, as it doesn't explain all the other holes in that hypothesis like, WHY is Asriel shorter? WHY is Asriel blushing when Kris gets close? WHY is Asriel there instead of college? WHY isn't it mentioned he looks like Asriel (Maybe cause Asriel at this point is as tall as his father Asgore)? WHY does Asriel disappear instead of just getting downed when his HP runs out?
Asriel isn't Ralsei, if ch.2 couldn't get that through your skull, then Ralsei and Asriel can be in the same room together and you would still believe Ralsei is Asriel.
@@snorseburger7381 so far it can't be explained how he travels between dark worlds, BUT it would make even less sense if the reason he's able to travel between dark worlds is cause he's Asriel "Hey mom is that Asriel running to the library?" "Oh yes little Timmy, that's indeed Asriel. Wait, weren't they supposed to be at college?". Plus there's no place for him to go once you seal the fountain in ch.2, unless he was a headband and missing green crayon.
Very well put together and logical. And even humorous if at all unintentionally. You have me convinced. I’ll have to refer people to this vid.
Thank you very much! And, i assure you, all the comedy is intentional :D
@@kookiautumn1710 your debunk is very reasonable lol
@@couththememer Thank you! I try to be logical about these things as much as I can be! Even though it's fiction and people like to say that there should be no logic whatsoever behind it haha
@@couththememer agreed
I love how you also subtly debunk the whole “Ralsei is Evil” theory as well in this video (even if you didn’t realize it), so thank you for that! Great video overall!
How so?
I think Ralsei is lying, but that doesn't mean he's a bad guy. Maybe he lied so he could have friends.
@@gentilezaevirtude.7810 i think he lied to you, but not to kris.
Personally, I like to think that the reason Kris and Susie get along so well is because both of them have some form of mischief going with them. Kris does pranks, and Susie is the almost-expelled one.
And of course
Moss
something i haven’t seen anyone bring up but i feel as if it’s mega important is that- kris never reacted when ralsei revealed his face. kris obviously would’ve recognized asriel had it’d been him, but there was no reaction. some people would argue that kris just has no emotion but- they actually have plenty. their emotions were expressed a lot more in chapter 2 and showed them having signs of fear, dread, etc…
Yeah, and asriel doesn’t need glasses yet ralsei does
And it’s not like glasses didn’t exist in the underground cause multiple characters wear them
@Quarlie possible? Yes
Likely? No
@Quarlie the same way you calculate the chance of someone getting cancer within a period of 10 years
@Quarlie if it was 10 years later Undyne wouldn't have both eyes and not know who Alphys is
@@PossessedPotatoBird umm…someone who draws on the computer/is interested in game design (as Asriel is in Deltarune) is actually highly likely to need glasses more as they get older? Cancer and bad eyesight are nowhere near as likely, nearsightedness is pretty common actually. The theory that Asriel and Ralsei are the same is stupid without completely unhinging yourself from reality
The thing that sold me that Ralsei and Asriel are not the same is that in Chapter 2 you can get tea inspired by the characters. The tea gives the drinker different amounts of health depending on how much the drinker likes the person the tea is based on. Ralsei gets the same health amount from drinking Susie and Kris teas. If Kris were his sibling, Ralsei would have gotten a load more health from their tea than he would for Susie's.
That's a very good point! I can't say i encountered any of that myself in-game because i think i accidentally skipped the flavoured tea lmao, but i heard the hp amounts everyone gets are very revealing of how they all feel about each other... I wonder if the tea can be gotten or carried over to future chapters, so the hp amounts gained could change depending on how the characters' feelings evolve?
@@kookiautumn1710 oh that'd b super cool! I hope Toby does that.
why exactly? maybe asriel just doesn't like kris that much?
@@armageddongirl612 I mean. Maybe? But it would also make him a really shitty older brother, seeing as him and Kris grew up together and have so much history? For Asriel to feel the same about Kris and Susie would be unspeakably cruel, and go against a lot of his characterisation in undertale, where he quickly grew to love chara as his sibling, and started copying what they were doing because he idolised them and wanted to be closer with them.
Plus, the tea thing is just one of many arguements for why Asriel and Ralsei are distinct, the point of this comment (I assume) was to point out a detail that most people don't notice, and that is near impossible to make sense of in the "Asriel is Ralsei" theory.
The teas are based entirely on how much you like that person... not siblings.
Kris gets I think 10-20 health from their own tea, Noelle gets I think 200 or 400 from Susie tea.
“And she throws all of Asgore’s advances in the trash where they belong” rise up #AsgoreDefenseSquad
YEAH
#AsgoreDefenseSquad
#AsgoreDefenseSquad
asgore is in between for me, hes a funny chill dude. but if needed he does seem to turn to violence to get revenge or what he wants as shown in undertale. He was willing to kill 6 human lives. We dont know the big mistake he did in deltarune that caused them to break up this time and get him off the police force
@@aliliz7204 maybe he’s the reason there’re no human children besides Kris in town, who knows!
#AsgoreDefenseSquad
I think it's interesting how Ralsei is an imitation of Kris's ENTIRE family all mashed together, including aspects only found in Undertale (Asriel's royal title of Prince in Undertale and his name, Toriel's role as tutorial character in Undertale, her love of baking and teaching, and her glasses, as well as Asgore's role as the leader of the main world with the cool castle from Undertale, his association with gardening and plants (as in Doobie Ralsei), the face cast in shadow exaggerated from Undertale's boss fight, and his general loneliness.)
Remember everyone, just because they are both soft goat bois doesn't mean they are the same character.
no asriel isn´t
Asriel isn't soft in his core. He's a child. Ralsei is soft while being a teen.
@@joaquinjovane4226 yeah, well it got hearted so I ain't editing it.
Also, yes Asriel is. That's all I'm gonna say, and if you disagree, then kindly leave before this becomes a full on war about the fictional goat boy.
@@swordofstabbingold and, he is a serial killer
@@trevevern6788 he´s a serial killer of course he isn´s soft
Also it is kinda implied that ralsei like likes kris I mean the ost for the acid lake part is literally called the acid tunnel of love I'm pretty sure if they was the same person Toby fox would not allow that type of relationship between Kris and ralsei
I absolutely agree! This video was made before ch 2's release, and even if it wasn't, i didn't wanna lean too much into the "shipper" arguements (even though its still a valid point), because i think some people would dissmiss my arguements immediatly if i did. The romantic drama of deltarune seems like its going to play a bigger role in the story (or at least, kris' development) overall, and i cant wait to see how it all gets resolved!
Another big thing that cancels this theory is that if you try to give one of the rings to fluffy boy, he questions you about engagement and stuff. Alabama or something idk.
@@dropfish3109 toby fox’s tutorials!
*how to make millions say “y e s” to an idea you **_proposed_*
"Love" isn't necessarily romantic love you know. I love my friends :P
Love does not necessarily mean romantic attraction. There's no reason to assume that this means romantic love, especially since Toby has used it in the platonic sense before (In Asriel's fight, for example). Also you probably shouldn't read too much into the song titles. What are 'Gallery' and 'Another Medium' referring to?
Honestly I rarely see this theory being thrown around but maybe it's because I don't interact with the fandom as much nowadays, but what I do see is the theory that ralsei is an alternate universe version of asriel or something like that. Like, they're not the same character, but ralsei is somehow based on asriel or his alternate self. And so far, based on what we've seen in both chapters, I kinda disagree with that too?
I recently saw a theory about how, since all darkners are based on some real object in the real world (lancer is a card, seam is a plushie, queen is an old apple computer etc), ralsei is based on kris' horn headband. It's mentioned that toriel (and asgore) got kris a horn headband because they wanted to be like the rest of their family and were waiting for their horns to grow too (or something similar, can't remember the exact quote), so they got them a headband with horns that kris then took everywhere with them.
It would also explain why ralsei knows the real world's surroundings, like the fact that there even is a school and a library: because kris carried that headband with them everywhere. It would also explain why ralsei's horns are a different colour than the other "goat monsters", who all have white horns while ralsei's are pink. Maybe the headband was pink, who knows. The headband's purpose was also to make kris feel like they belong and stuff, and that makes ralsei's personality make sense too: he's always so supportive of kris and trying to make them feel comfortable, helping them etc.
Basically, ralsei is simply the same species of monsters as toriel, asgore and asriel seem to be, because the object he is in the real world is a headband that had the purpose of looking like the rest of kris' family's horns. He's not related to any of the other monsters that look similar. He's simply a headband😔
Really interesting idea! I haven't heard anyone make the headband connection until now, but that would make a lot of sense, thank you for bringing this to my attention!
It really would explain a lot, but my only remaining question then would be why that specific headband (and seemingly nothing else) was affected by the true dark fountain that can support all darkners, but that questions would remain no matter what assumsion we make about Ralsei's light world counterpart.
Again, thank you for sharing this theory with me, it's very plausible!!
@@kookiautumn1710 I have a feeling that affection towards an object effects that darkner that uses it as a vessel, possibly explaining why Ralsei can travel to other dark worlds and not turn to stone.
Maybe it also involves power and age, explaining why Lancer turned to stone before Rouxls Kaard
@@Garden0flowr it's possible, and i definatly think Rouxls turned to stone slower because he's older/physically bigger than Lancer, but I don't see how the logic of "power" or "affection" would apply to Ralsei. An interesting note is that, the flavoured tea in chapter two gives everyone varying amounts of HP, showing how each character feels about the others. Kris, (from what I've heard), gets more HP from Susie and Noelle than they do from Ralsei, implying they like him less in some way, and Susie gets the same amount of HP from Ralsei as she does everyone else. This sort of shows the kids don't have any special sentimentality for Ralseo like he does for them.
I think the specific thing that defines darkners is that they were abandoned, so I don't think the affection lightners have for them influences if they turn to stone or not, because by definition, they're left behind by lightners.
@@Garden0flowr I think the reason ralsei can travel to other dark worlds is because the fountain that created him and where he gets his powers from, the castle town fountain, is still open, and it was said to be "made out of pure darkness" so assumably it's much more powerful than the other fountains. The other darkners can live in the castle town also because of that powerful fountain even when their own fountains have been closed, but because the fountains that created them are now closed, they turn into stone if they go to other dark worlds, like lancer and rouxl. But ralsei's fountain is still there and giving him powers, and making it possible for him to not turn into stone in other dark worlds.
@@kookiautumn1710 Perhaps they didn't carry the object which Lancer or Rouxls is based on into the library and since all people and things seem to be based off of objects (which arent there for lancer or rouxls) they turned to stone, while they took the headband to the library, thus giving Ralsei like an object to be based off of.
One thing that I wonder is how the “Ralsei is Asriel” theory even fits in a narrative sense. I don’t think revealing that Ralsei is Asriel will impact the story in a cohesive way, like how does that serve the story? A good portion of Deltarune revolves around Kris’ loneliness, even more so that their brother left. Revealing that Asriel and Ralsei are one beats the purpose of showing the player that the entire Dark World is a reflection of the real world. “Oh yeah so you know how I told you I’m in college? So I was actually with you the entire time haha also I kinda knew about our destinies since we were kids while we played mario”
If anything, I’m more inclined to believe that Ralsei is based on the red headband. That would explain his pink colored horns. Ralsei being the same species and having an anagram as a name would also make sense because it brings Kris familiarity. With that being said, Asriel and Ralsei most likely do have thematic connection . But narratively and logically speaking, they can’t be one in the same.
…and don’t get started on the KrisxRalsei dialogue in Chapter 2. Even in chapter 1 he blushes when you stand too close. I think that alone is an indicator that they can’t and SHOULDN’T be the same person.
Unless Toby was planing on the sweet home Alabama route
@@Maxclockwork lol bruh
Kris may be feeling lonely, but I don't think loneliness is the real issue here. The only indication we have that Kris specifically longs for Asriel coming back is the account of other people in Hometown, and I don't think they really understand Kris. I would treat everything the Hometown monsters say to Kris about their relationship with Asriel with a grain of salt, and Kris themself isn't directly talking about how they feel, ever. On the other hand, there are huge implications of bottled-up extreme resentment against Asriel on Kris' part, and we're even given reasons for it (subtle and not-so-subtle hints at parental favoritism in favor of Asriel on at least Toriel's part, and the fact that the entirety of Hometown pretty much actively goes along with it, and also Kris' anxiety that comes from being the only human in a Dreemurr-only family).
If you don't see how it impacts the story in a cohesive way, you've never written a story.
- Build a bond
- Find out the bond was built on false pretenses
- Be forced to either reconcile that or discard the bond out of a lack of trust
Additional note: If Ralsei fell into the dark world the same way frisk fell into the underground, he may well have forgotten who he is. The weekend hits and he'll remember who he is and come home for a bit, but he will have to go back to the dark world to be their prince UNLESS we get the true ending where the world's are allowed to merge
@@digitalunity
problem with that
is that asirel IS at college
hell he even talks to kris online
it would not make sense for him to be in the dark world
and not be announced missing
This is a well-put together video that really shines a light on numerous things. I was previously leaning on the "Asriel is Ralsei" side of the fence, but watching this put me firmly on the "no, he isn't" side. So quickly, in fact, I left a like before I was even done.
I'm starting to think it's just a thing with the "goat boss-monster race" where all of their names are anagrams/combines
I saw a theory that Ralsei could be related to the red horns that Kris used to wear when he was a kid, which I thought was interesting. It does seem like all of the other darkners are embodied in the light world as various objects, although it could be different for someone who was born in the original fountain town. But Ralsei is never particularly specific about when he came into being, just that he's waited there his whole life. There's no concrete evidence for it or anything but it would be an interesting idea.
May be Kirs keeps it in the same Pocket as his knife where the player can't see them in his inventory.
toriel's eye color was a mistake, as I'm pretty sure early in development undertale sprites used that exact shade of red for transparency marking, and also in the undertale website at one point there was a toriel sprite tinted that shade of red as well
She's albino
Speaking of crybaby, chapter 2 even supported that more where young Asriel asked for forgiveness for the sin of dropping a dinosaur in a video game and on Kris's behalf for purposefully doing it.
That drawing of Ralsei with a gun is my personality from now on. (In all seriousness, this video is really well done. I really don’t like the “Asriel = Ralsei” theory, so it’s fun to see someone disproving it with proof and cool visuals.)
If there’s one thing related to this that I wish could be talked about more, it’s how people look at some of the odd things Ralsei says/does which seem to imply he’s hiding something, and immediately assume evil intent. People keep secrets for multitudes of reasons, and these can even include a belief that you’re protecting somebody/some people/something by keeping it secret.
So.. u mean that Toriel and Ralsei have more in common, right? :o
I actually didn't think about that before but it actually makes kind of sense :D
Thank you! My main point is that characters sharing some traits doesn't make them the same person, narratively speaking or otherwise. I used Toriel as an example because (I hope) everyone can agree that she isn't Ralsei. If I really wanted to, I could probably draw parallels between Ralsei and Asgore too, but this was just easier because Toriel appears more often than Asgore.
@@kookiautumn1710 Yeah, that's right!
I don't know why some people say that Asriel and Ralsei are the same person when is obvious is not like that (I'm Vea in case u didn't know
wait a minute
It's possible...
In UNDERTALE, the Dreemurr family consists of Asgore, Toriel, Asriel and Chara; It's implied that Asgore and Asriel have similar speech patterns and naming abilities or lack their of. Asgore and Asriel are more closer to each other. Toriel is implied to be closer to Chara, especially when it comes to nurturing a human that looks similar to Chara but then again, could be a friend to all children. Chara and Toriel are both more assertive and pun loving then Asriel and Asgore.
It might be the same in deltarune. Despite caring and loving each other alot, Asgore and Asriel are a lot closer while Toriel and Kris are alot closer.
It's possible in this universe, Ralsei was not a representation of Asriel (AToL hopefully disproves of that) but a representation of who Kris wants to be. Not a lonely prince per se, but a sweet and sassy caretaker who helps everyone they meet. Not to mention the red horns Kris wore as a child which may have been the result of Ralsei's horn colors and Ralsei with their healing abilities hopefully to help other people. Instead, Kris in Hometown is a outcast and a michievience weirdo that is nothing like Frisk or the idea of a blank slate protagonist. Maybe Ralsei was Kris's inner dream to be, so that they can belong somewhere and look like it...
@@fantasyshadows3207 Interesting idea, but i highly doubt it! Excuse the overly long explanation incoming.
While, at first glance, it would be easy to assume that Asgore and Asriel were closer and Chara and Toriel were, certain things hint towards the opposite. Firstly, the genocide route monologue Flowey has about how he first woke up as a flower shows that Asgore, although he was the first one there for Asriel (now Flowey), couldn't help him, and Flowey repeatedly calls Asgore "that old fool" and the like. Flowey seems to have abandoned new home in his first timeline, without so much as saying goodbye to Asgore, because he had more faith that Toriel would be able to help him. After Flowey explains to Chara how he started believing their worldview, he tells Chara that he could never get Asgore to show him the human souls he collected, no matter ehat he tried. Then he says something like "I know he'd do it for YOU, Chara. You WERE always his favourite" (paraphrasing because i dont know the full quote)
Then, in the Undertale winter clock dialogue (that you can read through the official undertale website), Flowey was revealed to be helping Toriel around the ruins, of course, without her knowing, so much so that Toriel once recognised Flowey AS Asriel in her half awake state, and swore to never leave him again. In this part of the dialogue, Toriel explains that Asriel picked up the way he fills glasses of water from "someone". Based on the fact that she used they/them pronouns for that someone, as well as the fact that she has no qualms about saying Asgore's name, or calling Asriel her son, we can assume this is about Chara. But Toriel doesn't call Chara her child (unlike how Asgore does after you defeat him in battle, "I just want to see my wife, I just want to see my child" reffering to Toriel and Chara, who he hasn't seen in ages, then if you had killed flowey in a previous timeline, he continues "but I think your freedom is what my son... What ASRIEL would have wanted", making a clear distinction between child (the gender neutral term, used for Chara and Frisk throught the game) and son (male gendered term, used for Asriel throughout the game) (notice also how Asgore doesn't tearfully confess to wanting to reunite with jis son? Possibly because he has vague memories of Floweys (read: Asriels) resets, so he knows he's seen him more recently in some way). Toriel, instead, explicitly calls Chara someone she "used to know".
As for Toriel and Kris.
I have a whole theory about dr chapter 2 that I'm still writing, and Toriel and Kris' relationship is a big part of it. To sum it up simply, I don't think Toriel is taking very good care of Kris. She's great with little kids and Asriel, but Kris is a mentally ill teenager, who lashes out and she responds by restricting them (something we know they hate bc of the player soul), locking doors around the house, locking the oven, grounding them because they couldnt answer her calls...
I'm not saying shes a bad mom, god no, im just saying her approach doesnt work on Kris. So much so that she seems to be playing favourites. Asriel's part of the room if full of diplomas and trophies, while Kris' is empty, even though they DO have hobbies and interests (piano is a big one, occult research with catti, diy projects based off of their search results), but she doesnt facilitate those for Kris like she does for Asriel, for whatever reason.
Maybe its because she doesnt know how (hinted by her constantly renting out the "how to take care of a human" book from the library), or because Kris isnt as much of a go-getter as Toriel and Asriel are, making Kris more similar to Asgore, but I doubt they have as close of a bond with Asgore as Chara did in Undertale.
I actually wrote an entire essay on the Dreemurr family in Undertale, it's on my ao3 if you wanna check it out (can't paste a link because youtube assumes comments with links are spam)
@@kookiautumn1710 neat, going to have to look over my theory again
I thought the same thing, first off why would he be in a highschool closet 🤔🤨🤨, secondly, besides being short, why would he be Kris' height, thirdly, why would he blush when around kris? why would he go on a romantic swan ride with him in chapter 2?
Exactly! This video was made before chapter 2, but i feel like chapter 2 just supports the debunking of "asriel is ralsei" even further haha
@@kookiautumn1710 you just got a sub! Finally somebody that agrees with me, lol
Oh thank god i thought i was the only one thinking
Another big thing that cancels this theory is that if you try to give one of the rings to fluffy boy, he questions you about engagement and stuff. Alabama or something idk.
@@inactiveuser-1856 the commenter was mentioning that part as evidence for why they *aren't* siblings I think.
also ralsei is tiny and asriel is like 20 now, and doesn't have horns wth. do ppl think toby fox is supporting incest in the tunnel of love sequence, wHAT
YEAH, I completely agree. The Asriel from Undertale is probably too young to grow horns yet, but your point with the heights still stands.
There's been a lot of people in a lot of online spaces who insist that any kind of shipping between Kris and Ralsei is bad or harmful because of this really dumb theory, and it's been bothering me a lot since the ship is supported by the canon a lot more than any other?? This fandom just has a tendancy to get really nasty for no reason I guess.
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dont know if this is useful or not
but noelle says when she first sees him
"Who's that person she's with, anyway..?
"It Iooks kind of like..."
@@chongwillson972 YEAH I KNOW THAT,,, whern I first saw that line of dialogue I got very worried, but seeing as she doesn't finish the sentance, she could be reffering to just about anything. Maybe Ralsei is based off of an item in the light world that Noelle's seen before and recognises? Maybe she was going to comment on him being a darkner in the first place? We don't know, and we won't know until further chapters come out and it's really bugging me (tobiathan foxen why are you like this)
@@kookiautumn1710
well they do look similar and noelle knows asriel
but the way she only says that about him could actually prove that they are not the same
"It Iooks kind of like..."
looks like and IS are different and have different meanings
@@chongwillson972 I agree! It could be that Noelle only knows so many boss monsters, so she only has one to compare Ralsei to, since two out of three of the ones she knows are Old lmao
Another thing I would like to point out is that the characters from Undertale sound like (mostly) like themselves in Deltarune, Ralsei sounds nothing like either age of Asriel (The young one of the grown up one you fight in pacifist)
Thanks for solving my identity crisis
I thinks that the Darkners that meet each human in the darkworld are based off someone that human knew.(The Darkworld creates a Darkner based off of the humsn memories) For examplem, Ralsei is based off of Asriel, Kris' brother. I still think that Ralsei and Asriel should be treated as different characters, since Ralsei is only merely based off of Asriel.
How would you explain that theory further, though? How does the dark world function? Everything we've seen in-game points to darkners having a history from before Kris and Susie showed up, so how can that be true if the dark world is based off of something within Kris? I know about the "unuverse was made last Tuesday" explination for it, but I don't find it plausible, because what purpose does the prophecy serve if it was decided the moment Kris showed up, and not before?
@Charles incrível Thank you for your input! You make a good point, (and, dont worry, i understood you fine, english isnt my first language either!) kris could've been the one to make both the dark worlds we've seen thus far, but they probably didn't specifically choose how they would look or be about. When it comes to the true dark world, castletown, i HIGHLY doubt that one was made by the knight, or anyone else, because it acts completely differently to all other dark worlds (presumably, we only have two others to go off of). When this logic is applied to Ralsei, it's very likely that he's some kind of being of pure darkness, which feeds into my theory that Asriel is the Angel, a being of pure light, making them more like polar opposites or foils to one another, but thats PURE speculation on my part, we have no evidance for that so far.
@@kookiautumn1710 well, queen says that the knight created cyber world that day but we already knew of queen in chapter 2, so maybe the explanation is predetermination or something like that
@@saret4647 This is sort of delving into an unrelated theory I have about the dark world (that I haven't even finished writing yet, hooray for always being busy), but to try and boil it down:
Darkners exist independantly of both the light AND the dark world, more as ideas than as people (like in the dark world) or as items (like in the light world). They physically manifest in the dark world when the item they're tied to is brought within reach of a dark fountain, but some dark fountains are artificial, made by the knight, and therefore cannot sustain all darkners. Ralsei, as a being that originates from the original, "true" dark fountain, can survive being in the other dark worlds.
I hope that made sense
@Charles incrível .First of all, I think Cyber World is the name of the new Dark World in Chapter 2, second, unless Ralsie is just lying about being a Darkner, maybe Ralsie himself is a person who is specifically a darkner made by Kris.
excellent video! i never liked the ralsei = asriel theory and this video gives credence to my thoughts.
but now that chapter 2 is out, how do you feel about noelle’s dialogue when seeing ralsei for the first time: “he looks kind of like…”, highly likely she was going to say “asriel”. this makes me think that ralsei’s name being an anagram of asriel is more than an aesthetic choice - don’t you think? they definitely aren’t the same person but i am starting to think there may be a connection between the two.
as ralsei isn’t directly tied to a light world object (eg. rouxls kaard is connected to the rules card, etc), i’ve seen theories that ralsei is a sort of manifestation of kris’ desire to see their brother again, or to fit in as a human in a monster-dominated world. there’s also theories that ralsei’s light world object is the red horns headband kris used to wear constantly.
in the end, there’s only so much we can theorise when there’s only 2/7 chapters out. looking forward to seeing ralsei’s character explored even further! would love to see more wholesome interactions like in the acid tunnel haha
I'm pretty sure Ralsei is the manifestation of the pink horn headband that toriel and Asgore gave to Kris. This would explain why he can travel to other dark fountains and knows of the school and the closet. Because he's been there, always with Kris when they were a child. And maybe Kris still regrets those times and why she doesn't like Ralsei that much as shown from the tea thing. Also why he has pink horns unlike Asriel or Toriel or Asgore
@@ahmed4363 i think that’s the most plausible theory we have so far! tho i am curious as to how the headband ended up in a supply closet if it is true, considering that ralsei was there long enough to have his own kingdom
@Jakoz i did watch the whole video! all i was saying is that ralsei looking similar to/being the same species as asriel may have some relevance to the plot. not saying that they’re the same character of course but i think it is more than just a coincidence.
@@ahmed4363 I think that Ralsei can probably travel through other dark worlds alone, and also be fine, is because he is originated from a pure fountain of darkness. And he is of course THE prince of the dark (maybe also technically a king???)
I know this is a year late, but in regards to the "he looks kind of like..."
Noelle actually said "it looks kind of like".
She still could've meant Asriel, but the choice of the pronoun "it" opens the door for more interpretations than that.
For example, when I first read this I thought she wanted to say "it looks kind of like they're on a date"
Some of the flaws of the " Ralsei is Asriel " Theory
Chapter 2 spoilers ahead! if you haven't played Chapter 2, or if you are just starting to play it, i advice you to be careful with this, since it may ruin some special scenes in chapter 2!
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1. If it was Asriel he could just go back with the crew to real world, without any problems and going back to his normal life
2. Why would Asriel skip something as important as College for roleplaying as a Dark Prince???
3. Why should Toby fox add some things that suggest Ralsei likes Kris, if they were " brothers ", like come on it's kinda obvious on some moments, like on the boat ride, if you tell ralsei that you feel weird about him saying that He likes spending time with you alone he would get shocked for a bit and then say he was joking, while turning around, kinda meaning he's sad cause he got rejected, and of course, if you say " i feel the same " he gets shocked and blushes only to reply with, " I'm happy hearing you say that, Kris..." that only makes me think Ralsei does like Kris. ( Also if you hug him there he gets " Hug Master " as his title, and if you go fight and defeat Spamton NEO after the boat ride and hugging the fluffy boy , when susie asks you if you are alright and you answer no, he will give you a hug, then he says some things to relieve you ,
and something that he tells you that I want to highlight is
" Just take some deep breaths and think about.... Something you like, something nice, something soft " I highly think he reffers to him, even more when he says afterwards: I'll be right next to you until you feel better, Kris. (Maybe that's just me overthinking it tho)
4. People say the only way from Ralsei to go from the Chapter 1 dark world to Cyber World is going to the light world and sneakily following Susie and Kris, and that's just a big no, Asriel seems to be loved by everyone in town, and if they saw him EVERYONE would mention it in the end of the game, or interrogating him for hours, asking him how college was etc...
5. Asriel should be way taller for someone that's going to College, and not same size than Kris
6. If it was soooo similar to asriel like people say, Noelle would have probably mentioned it in the game don't you think?
7. Like you mentioned, Asriel would have way more impact on the history as a Final boss on chapter 7, and now that Snowgrave route happenned , maybe there's even a Genocide special Final bossfight.
8. If he was Asriel, he would mention something like missing you atleast once in the game, like some people say he got trapped in dark world and was waiting for you and susie arrival to escape, but it got proved that's not true in Chapter 1, only to kill the theory in Chapter 2.
9. How would he learn all those spells, legends, magic etc.... in such a short time, yeah even if it WAS asriel, i don't think he would get all that wisdom in such a short time. ( If magic existed, it would probably take a LONG time to learn it )
10. Don't you think Asriel's Teachers would call Toriel to tell her Asriel has been missing / not going to College? " What if he goes to dark world when he finishes his daily classes " R:// What about homework?
Well, hope i convinced some peeps that Ralsei isn't Asriel, now shipers can be in peace haha, and also it's fine if you still think they are the same person, afterall it's just a game and in like everything, different opinions exist and i respect them, cheers! ( Sorry for the Grammar mistakes btw, i'm still an english learner! )
This is a really well thought-out addition, thank you!!
I don't have anything to add that you didn't mention already, so all i can really say is thank you for doing my work for me hahah
I think respecting opinions is important, and getting overly invested in fictional conflicts is not, but there's also a point to be made about how people are actively misreading the setup that the game is giving us. Personal interpretations are fine, but i feel like people may be actively disrespecting the game by trying to make it undertale 2 and not at all seeing it for the story it's actually trying to tell. I really hope i can convince people that Ralsei and Asriel ARE different, purely so they can enjoy the game and it's story for what it really is. And if they want Asriel to be part of Kris' adventures, hey, AUs exist!
Also, wouldn't Kris recognize their own sibling?
This is good evidence, but let me ask you a question: How did Ralsei get to Tech World, and how does he know about the cards' connections to the dark world? It seems to me that asriel is playing 2 identities here.
@@meatyman4803 Magic of course, he's a prince afterall, and has his own dark fountain, it would only make sense that he can teleport to multiple places in the dark world if he uses the power of his fountain.
@@meatyman4803 What does Asriel have to do with this?? If Ralsei knows about the prophecy, its posible that he knows about the light world and its relation to the dark world. He only specifies to go EAST after you exit, because when you first entered the dark world, you headed EAST to reach the fountain. It's not something you NEED to see the spare classroom to know.
As for getting to Cyberfield, while we don't know how he got there, chances are all dark worlds are connected in some way (as we know, Queen and King knew each other closely since before their fountains even opened), and Ralsei knowing magic, or just his way around Castletown, could get to wherever he needs to quickly. In the prophecy, Ralsei mentions "a new fountain rising on the horizon" or something of the like, pointing out that he can SEE where new fountains form from his castle.
Again, we don't know for sure, because Ralsei likes keeping secrets, but what we DO know is that him being a lightner would cause more logical problems than it would solve.
Ngl the color palette swap with toriel and ralsei in 12:24 looks so nice I love it so much
Other people have called it cursed, thank you lmao
@@kookiautumn1710 lmao it doesn’t look cursed at all tho, I actually really like the way it was done and I think the colors actually fit them to some extent
Saying that Ralsei is Asriel is the same like saying that Spamton is Mettaton because both of their names end with the same syllable 🤣🤣🤣
ralsei is an anagram of asriel
@@reptile1687 And?
@@dappermachine2032 so theres a bit more if a connection
[spoilers]they kinda become the same person
@@boyboilNEO9055 no, no they didn't?
They are both completely different characters in their own right
Toby just wanted to play with words guys.
From what I’ve seen, having not played the game myself yet, I don’t think there will be any final conclusions on this till later chapters. Considering it’s still early in the story, the audience just does not have enough pieces yet to complete the puzzle. Even with chapter 2 being out, until it’s revealed what exactly Ralslei is hiding (knowledge wise) people are still gonna see the Asriel = Rasali theory.
Personally, I’m leaning toward the two are different characters, perhaps meant to be foils but not the same person. For two main reasons, 1- Toby Fox seems like he would make the names/looks similar as a red herring, he’s a bit of a jokester and knows his audience well enough to put this in as a distraction from the truth. And 2 - While Undertale is referenced, Deltarune is technically made before Undertale and developed to the point where it’s a separate story. So it makes sense to me that Rasali would be his own separate character in this new world, plus the fact that what Asriel is up-to was already addressed in game (off to collage).
That's an understandable conclusion to form! I don't think everyone needs to have as strong of an opinion as i do, but this theory bugs me a lot because it seems like people are deliberatly misreading the point of the story and characters. For example, in chapter 2, Kris and Ralsei literally go on a tunnel of love ride in the mansion, and Ralsei talks about how much he likes and appreciates Kris, and how much he wanted to impress them and do right by them. Why would something like that be put in if theyre intended to be familialy related?
Of course, no one HAS to agree with me, but i think the game is more likely to be enjoyed if one doesn't outright ignore the setup being made by toby.
personally my theory is Ralsei is secretly a villain, and he's only taking a form similar to Asriel to seem more nice and trustworthy to Kris.
@@galarstar052 Ralsei may be secretive, but based on everything we've seen him do thus far we have no reason to believe he's actively malicious in any way. Going so far as to call him a villain is a stretch and a half in my opinion.
@@kookiautumn1710 the villain part was a stretch yeah, mostly wishful thinking on my part since i feel he's a pretty boring character as is and i think him being evil in some way would really add a bit of spice. But i think it's undeniable he's hiding something.
@@galarstar052 Listen I don't doubt for a MOMENT that Ralsei is going to 110% lose his shit and show a side of himself we've never seen before once he finds out Kris opened a (at least one) Dark Fountain. And that's going to be so satisfying to see on so many levels.
9:27 it it litteraly imposible to avoid tropes, to come up with something new. We have reached a point in which PRETTY MUCH everything you have ever thought has been though about once before. Its the COMBINATION of elements that make things new.
If you disagree, please reply, i`d love to hear your opinions :)
Remember how things come to life int He Dark World? I have read a theory that Ralsei is Kris's headband, the one they used to wear when they were little to pretend to be a monster (therefore the prominent horns). As a person then, Ralsei essentially becomes the child Kris may have imagined they would have been or, more tragically, should have been to fit in and please their parents. Looking like a mix of Toriel and Asgore, and sharing some of their characte traits. The superficial similarities between Toriel and Ralsei would make sense this way. I'm still undecided on this one, but I like thinking about it.
Alright, you’ve convinced me! I kind of just accepted as canon, but under further inspection, it doesn’t make sense. Good video
I'm glad I was able to change your mind! This comment genuinely made my day better, thank you! :D
@@kookiautumn1710 I’m glad I was able to make your day better! Have a nice one
@@kookiautumn1710 Great video, but I find it strange that you seem to dislike Asriel so much. You even try saying that it’s strange everyone treats him as separate Flowey. But… they aren’t the same entity at all. We would all be evil if we suddenly had our compassion and ability to feel empathy removed from us.
Another thing I see mentioned often is (SPOILERS BELOW)
"how could Ralsei travel to Cyberworld in chapter 2"(I think that was the name of the place)
Well, he mentions he just traveled there, which him being someone who regularly casts spells is kinda believable. People mention it's suspicious, but to be fair he also traveled to the Card Kingdom with ease. Sure there was a path to a doorway there, but the Card Kingdom and his castle aren't connected.
People also ask why he doesn't turn to stone, and I have two things to bring up. One, he mentions that *some* Darkners aren't compatible with other worlds, not all. Secondly, Nubert also doesn't turn to stone. Something I must point out is that they both look like they could fit into either world. Meanwhile, Lancer and Rouxls both don't look like they fit into Cyberworld. They turn to stone, Ralsei and Nubert do not. You can also see this with the Original Starwalker, as he also looks like he can fit in either world and does not turn to stone(as far as I remember)
That's just my take though.
Interesting observation with Original Starwalker and Nubert! I think they're exempt because they're joke characters, but you make a good point nonetheless!
Though, traveling to Cyberworld was definatly more complicated, or at least more difficult, as the Great Door is closed, seemingly permanantly, and it cannot be used to go to other dark worlds (again, seemingly, because a lot of things about the dark world are still up in the air).
Ralsei hides things from the lightners (and the player by proxy), that's not up for debate, but the idea that he's hiding being a lightner is unspeakably far fetched in my opinion
Oh absolutely! I wouldn't be surprised if we run into other Darkners that can travel to other worlds.
Ralsei is definitely hiding something, but I don't think he's gonna be a surprise villain like others do, and I 100% don't believe he's Asriel or even a Lightner.
I just wanna say rq that your video is really well made btw! It's real nice not seeing the same theory repeated over and over again ^^
@@pumpkinspice5633 Thank you!! I try to bring new arguements to the conversation whenever I can!
I think there WILL be some kind of subversion of Ralsei doing everything you tell him to (though that mightve already happened with him refusing to let berdley open another dark fountain), but it's still up in the air whether that would be a grand betrayal like people expect or just a subversion of expectations. Like, how will Ralsei react if/when he finds out Kris opened a dark fountain? It's bound to get a negative reaction out of him, yknow?
No problem!
And oh absolutely! My reaction to that was "NO KRIS WHY'D YOU MESS UP THE WHOLESOME MOMENT"
I'm very curious as to how Ralsei will react as well, there's definitely going to be some betrayal there(As that was one of the few things Ralsei outright said you don't do, and Kris was one of the closest to Ralsei out of everyone, at least in my playthrough, so he probably expected Kris of all people to listen to him) and that makes me very excited ^^
@@pumpkinspice5633 Yeah! Though, interesting to note would be that Toriel suggests Susie stay over only AFTER she saw Kris lurking around and slashing her tires. Kris orchastrated an event where Susie WOULDN'T be able to leave and opened a dark fountain, maybe out of desperation?
My personal interpretation is that, after they saw Noelle deal with her issues with her own mother through the dark world and through Queen specifically, Kris was inspired to try to do the same with their own home life, making Susie stay over basically against her and their mothers will, so that she could be there to help them on their adventure.
But again, thats just what I think haha, we'll have to wait and see!
well, no, they’re not THE SAME character, they’re just connected, and it’s likely ralsei is kris’ perfect version of asriel, but that’s just what I think. The reason why ralsei is shorter is to make him more childlike and similar to how asriel was when they were younger, to keep him away from college where they can play together forever. this is the theory that most people I know are actually believing in, not ralsei *literally* being asriel. the “fighting asriel at the end of the game” ending still could work with this in mind and would even work better as an intrusive thought to both ralsei and kris, with susie having to be the icebreaker
hey so uh should I still ship ralsei&kris in this situation..?
@@hellgazer8370 personally if this was the case im against it but there’s also a chance this isn’t the case. decide for yourself, lol
@@Joltning imma take that risk.
I also saw a theory about Ralsei being the perfect version of Kris themself
Kris wanted to fit in their family - Ralsei is a goat monster like Kris's family
Kris is known as that one creepy kid while Asriel is a nice guy with trophies and stuff and then there is Ralsei who is also all nice and stuff
Ralsei doesnt know what its like to be Ralsei
There is more to that but i'm tired and dont wanna write
@@arek.k8688 that also makes sense but then why would ralsei like, for example give kris the trophies and stuff? Not really a point of projecting onto another person if you’re capable of just giving that to yourself
Kooti: "and we've never seen Asgore and Toriel in the same room together."
Deltarune ch2: *EGG-SCUSE ME-*
You've opened my eyes, now I see that Ralsei is just Toriel in disguise, thank you
Half of the community; ralsei is asriel
The other half; ralsei x kris
some are part of both communities,, havent seen them at all anywhere but They Must Be Out There.... sorry you had to find out through UA-cam comments :((
@@thewetlaundrythatsstilliny5031 ):
While Asriel and Ralsei are different people entirely, (it’ll probably stray off topic a bit, maybe haha) in my own opinion, it still doesn’t necessarily exempt him from being a bit, well, suspicious in chapter 2 at certain points. I saw in the comments of a streamer I watch [Saltydkdan’s], a stream of him playing Chapter 2 of Deltarune. They commented about how Ralsei basically knows about the dark worlds of the game being regular classrooms. And, along with how he knew different parts of specific areas in having dark fountains and such. This also brings up how he didn’t get turned into stone like Lancer and Rouxls did, because of how they didn’t belong in the specific bit of the cyber world. Something else to note, how the hell did Ralsei get to Susie and Kris at that moment too?
There’s a ton to unpack with Deltarune so far but, I suppose we’ll have to wait for chapter 3 and so forth with that ending we got left on in chapter 2, huh?
Anyway, I enjoyed this breakdown of Asriel and Ralsei’s characters perspectively. You did great, nice work! :)
Thank you! Those are all valid questions to have, and I have some possible explinations/theories
1) Ralsei could've been a item in the light world, like other darkners are, explainging how he knows about certain light world locations (my personal theory is that he might be Kris' old horn headband, explaining why he knows so many places, Kris used to take him everywhere), but I can't deny that the way he acts is extremely suspicious.
2) It's possible that, because Ralsei is from the "true" dark fountain (the one that can sustain all darkners), he is able to survive any dark world himself, as he could also be made of "pure darkness"
3) His travel through the worlds is mysterious, but not impossible. Maybe the dark worlds are all connected, and Ralsei (who knows his way around castletown better than anyone) is best equipped to get to where he needs to be in a moments notice. I think at some point in chapter 1, he describes SEEING the formation of another dark fountain on the horizon, meaning he can see things from his castle that are far away. But that's pure speculation on my part...
@@kookiautumn1710 there is still an locked door in his castle. Maybe there an astrology type tower somewhere there he uses to spot dark fountains.
Are people genuinely arguing they're the same person? i mean, that's a bit silly but it's undeniable that they're linked in some way, Toby's not gonna make a big deal out of him looking like Asriel and having a name that's an anagram of Asriel for no reason, he did a similar thing in Undertale where both Asgore and Asriel's names are meaningful anagrams.
Toby Fox when interviewed about Deltarune Chapter One.
Mentioned that Kris and Ralsei's origins should be "fairly obvious".
Its safe to assume that they are based on Frisk and Asriel from Undertale.
I do treat Ralsei and Asriel as separate characters, but to say that Ralsei and Asriel coming from the same tree branch is "unfounded". Is kind of ignoring how similiar they actually are.
I do think Toby making them similar is intentional, which we will probably find out why in later chapters.
What i Think is canon is that ralsei is the Dark world version of kris’ horn headband because it just makes sense
THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE
@Quarlie sufficient enough proof.
(i was on the wrong account when i said my comment)
(you say no, so you supply the proof.)
(...not that I believe in it.)
It’s glaringly obvious that Ralsei is some kind of manifestation or “dark world reflection“ of Asriel. They aren’t the same person but they’re corrrelated in some way.
The question very much is why? After all, there don't seem to be any other 'dark world reflections' of other lightners - let alone lightners with some connection to Undertale. Ralsei's isolated from every other darkner both narratively and metatextually, an anomaly not seen elsewhere. The question is why is he like this?
@@lozm4835 I think it has to do with the fact that some aspects of the Dark World seem to represent family trauma. Chapter 2's Dark World seems to be about Noelle's Mother (represented by Queen), so Kris might be undergoing separation anxiety from missing Asriel, so the Dark World have manifested Ralsei as a reflection of that. Or something, I'm not really sure.
@@onionfragments how does queen represent Noelle's mother? Like i see a lot of people saying this but they have no proof whatdoever
@@emmalion1976 iirc Noelle is mentioned as having a strained relationship w her mother, and Queen is very overbearing and tries to help her (in a way that ends up being harmful) so maybe she’s an inverse reflection of some kind?
@@onionfragments i mean queen does let Noelle make her own decision in the end tho
Okay but I want a Deltarune AU where Toriel and Asgore are the same person now because it just sounds so stupid and I love it
@Rand0m_Anon
asgore: give these to your mother ,son!
kris takes them and leaves
asgore makes a mad dash towards the family house while changing into his toriel costume all the while not once getting spotted
The thing you mentioned about the little prince made me think about flowey/asriel. As a lightner, Ralsei and other darkners would feel inclined to serve him, like the little prince. The lightners that come to the dark world do not abuse his kindness, but asriel... might, depending on what he thinks the dark world is. This is why I think Asriel MIGHT be the knight. The end of his university semester approaches, so he gets bored. He thinks of his home, and his determination to stave off boredom is strong enough to open dark fountains. The darkners can "hear" him, and wish to serve him.
Note that "The Roaring" seems similar to what Asriel did at the end of UNDERTALE. He made every monster forget all their experiences, resetting them, and tried to make the player lose themselves as well. The Roaring means that darkners will die, and lightners will become lost.
If we see the roaring, it might mean Berdly becomes arrogant again, Susie becomes a jerk, and Kris becomes closer to his true self than he is with the player, e.g, a pie chomping prankster.
Fun Fact: In Chapter 2, there's a room in the cyber world named asriel's room (lore time!)
it's just Asriel's search history
So that's why kris doesn't want us to look at it
What Adriel be looking up
@@EvTheBadConlanger
"How to make cookies"
"Hot chocolate recipe"
-"hot dinosaurs"-
"Funny memes"
"College"
"(Insert school questions)"
I just realized I think Asriel is very likely to come in chapter seven due to Toriel saying he will come in a week and there being 7 days in a week with 7 chapters and every chapter is one day for kris Susie etc
While I do agree it would make no sense for Asriel to be Ralsei, especially since Ralsei is certainly a Darkner due to his sprite portrait and the fact that there would be no reason for Asriel to be in the Dark World unless there was something far larger going on
I also believe looking to Undertale for references of who Asriel is completely missed the point of Deltarune being wildly different from Undertale
You even kinda… proved that yourself through discussing who Toriel and Asgore are in Deltarune
Here's a bad theory that I don't really believe but I'm throwing out there to sow chaos: Ralsei is Asriels real brother and there was some kind of Baby swap shananigan with Kris. I have no justification for this other than "goat". I will not be taking questions at this time.
Lmbo. I can picture Asgore proudly saying “he (Kris) has your eyes!” to Toriel
Toriel just facepalms
Lol but who kris' biological parents?
@@sahilhossian8212 we never heard about Frisk and Chara's biological parents, so why would we need to know Kris'?
Also, why on earth would Kris' own brother blush when they get near to him?
That would just be straight up weird and I know Toby would not do that kinda stuff-
It's all fun and games until Toby turns Ralsei into a flower.
it's relieving to hear someone pronounce Chara the same way i do. also i love your little drawings/shitposts
Also don’t forget the eye color, ralsei has pink eyes, asriel has green eyes, no character changes eye color when they enter the dark world.
I appreciate the video, but only one sentence is required to debunk that ridiculous theory: “One’s a Lightner, the other’s a Darkner.”
This is also debunked by Chapter 2, since Ralsei seems to be hinting at having romantic emotions fro Kris, which, y'know, it'd be suuuper fucked up if it was his brother.
@@inactiveuser-1856 it doesn't even make any sense, why would Asriel be suddenly younger? Why are his horns different? Why is his personality so drastically changed when everyone else's is the same? Why does he blush and get awkward in front of Kris? Why does he not recognize his sibling, or his sibling's friends?
It would be funny lol
No
I refuse to believe that Toby would sin like that, No
I didn't finish the video yet but for now it's on a pretty good quality. I'm glad that alot of people could find this vid even if it is your first one, good luck with the channel keep the good work!
the end dialogue between susie and ralsei was actually really accurate in my opinion. Loved it
saying they're the same character is like saying frank woods and solid snake are the same dude because they're both white, have beards, and are men.
Loved this video but i kinda got sad when i saw you have no other videos, hopefully you'll upload stuff soon :)
Also i dont really think asriel is asriel in this universe, toby fox is known to make plot twists and its very convenient we have no idea how asriel looks like, at all.
Hell, i wouldnt we suprised if this "asriel" somehow looks like papyrus or something hehe
Thank you! And, sorry to dissapoint i guess haha. Videos take a while to make and, although its REALLY fun for me, and i love arguementing for or against stuff because I'm a huge nerd, I'm working on a seperate project right now (Dread Not to be specific), and am also still neck deep in school shit, so I don't have a lot of time to do big video essays, even though I really want to ;_;
Though, I'll be honest, I have a LOT of thoughts and theories about chapter 2, so i *might* make a video about them all some day, but don't get your hopes up too much it wouldn't be anytime soon...
(PS - regarding your reply - if Asriel turns out to be some other guy that would be both hilarious but also slightly disappointing i think because he's a really popular character lmfao)
I think ralsei is a Titan, from the roaring, or as I like to think of them "The Children of the Angel" and i think that would make sense, since being the child of a god-like being it would make sense that he would know so much about thr light world, the roaring, *the angel itself.* But yeah, thats my theory.
to be fair Toby’s said that the red eyes (that are also in Toriel’s UT battle sprite) are accidental
Thank you very much for this analysis, that was an interesting and fascinating watch. Well done!
Let's not forget to mention that for Toriel to know Asriel was coming to visit, he would need to call or text her, and PHONES DONT WORK IN THE DARK WORLD
I honestly never liked the asriel is ralsei theory , because then that would imply that asriel left his home , and slept in a closet for months, pretends to be a 14 and changed his name , acts like he’s the prince of a town , and (a lot more in chapter 2 ) kind of sort of … shows feelings for his brother
Asriel being at college during the time is enough evidence for me to believe they aren't the same person but this video explained it better
A lot of people straight up say "oh asriel could be lying" so i had to bring as much evidance to the table as i physically could lmao
I see lol, thanks for clearing it all
glad this exists, popular deltarune theories have a real sans is ness vibe
more evidence: in chapter 2, if you give Noelle Ralsei tea, (you have to hack the game to do this btw) Noelle says its empty, because at the time Noelle doesn't know Ralsei. However, Noelle does know Asriel.
And now recently we have the fact that Ralsei seems to have a crush on Kris, or at least somewhat hints towards it in Queen's castle
People will argue that that makes their relationship really weird but like
Do you really think that Asriel of all people would have a crush on his sibling? Even knowing that in this universe Asriel is like-
WAY older than Kris? (The gang seems to be all Highschoolers while Asriel is a college kid and the people who knew him all mention him being the Older brother while Kris was the smaller one)
Like, just think about it. Would Toby really do that or is it just your weird theory that is making you think that?
I've always seen Ralsei as a memory of Asriel at most. The cute brother Kris holds in their mind.
Yet, Ralsei Tea doesn't benefit Kris as much as Kris Tea does Ralsei.
Why?
Because Asriel is coming back.
Bigger
Different
They're struggling to not get attached to their last memory of their best friend, because they doesn't know how their big brother has changed.
Kris uses they/them pronouns
Honestly, this theory of the Darkworld being kris imagination or Ralsei also being kris imagination is just game theory crap. Plus of him being the headband lol, The light thingy that was shown when we jumped in was Roulx Kaard, ppl are just taking various personality traits and magic that Ralsei has and assuming that Kris wanted to have those things.
Plus this "memory of cute brother" doesnt rly fit in, Asriel certainly does not have that personality as you can see while talking to other monsters in the surface, AND Kris has talked to Asriel online in video calls before, and i doubt it wasnt enough for him to realize Asriels personality.
@@kshimo7 These are.
New details.
I shall take them into account.
@@Quackervoltz I had forgotten. Fixing now.
The tea is stupid. You literally met Ralsai yesterday. Of course you wouldn’t be as close as the other two
Another one- a big point that I havent seen many bring up: When folks from the main cast first meet Ralsei, none of them say anything about Ralsei looking similar to Asriel- which we can assume this means that Asriel in Deltarune looks nothing like he did in Undertale.
Wait, when did someone from the main cast see Ralsei???
@@calebrock1o110 I'm referring to the folks like Noelle and Susie who had prior knowledge of who Asriel was and what he looked like. What I'm saying is: If Ralsei looked like a carbon-copy of Asriel- or ANYTHING like him, one of them would've made the comparison. Yet neither Kris, nor Susie, nor Noelle, nor Berdly ever bring that up.
Okay got it now, when I read ‘main cast’ I was thinking Undertale cast and got real confused
we've just been in *two* fucking chapters out of five more and everyone's going full tinfoil hat over every single detail
Do you mean out of 7 chapters? Or 5 chapters remaining?
Lol, I'd love to see this channel to debunk the "Chara is evil" theory next.
there is like 10000000000 already
Judgement boy did that yeaaaaars ago
it's very good video highly recommend
PLEASE!
They could also debunk the theory of Sans remembering resets, or just everything about how the fandom mischaracterizes Payprus.
@@matti.8465 TRUE
@@matti.8465 I don't think sans rembers every reset per se, But he clearly is aware of them in some way.
Also, How does the fandom mischaracterize papyrus?
The whole 'ralsei is asriel' theory is absolutely hilarious in how bad it is.
But instead of tearing it apart more, I want to propose a functional alternative (well actually two, one normal and one decidedly not true but still technically possible):
1) Ralsei is asriel's OC, effectively. If we're following the theory that Kris didn't make the Castle Town fountain (separate thing, namely due to the idea that the fountains Kris makes (yes I am saying that the CH1 and CH2 fountains were made by Kris) are impure and can't support all darkners), then it could be possible that Asriel was the one who made it, and used a bit of himself, maybe some fur shed or something, to make its guardian, since every fountain we've seen has a dedicated guardian, even if they seem to double as the rulers of their respective areas (oh hey Ralsei fits this too). Asriel could very well have wished to not have to live up to everyone's expectations. We've seen what happens with his character when he isn't associated with his identity, and maybe he wanted that to a lesser extent, not having to worry about being in charge, or knowing everything, and just wanting to have a fun adventure where he doesn't have to be in control. It raises a lot of weird questions about Asriel as a person but hey that's not directly disproven in this theory. In that sense, Ralsei's name would work as, as we know, the Dreamurr family like puzzles, and anagrams are close enough that he could totally have done that and thought it was funny enough to keep. There are definitely issues with this, like why Kris doesn't know the prophecy (though I don't think we have any actual proof that Kris doesn't, just that Susie doesn't, and if that's the case then Asriel and Kris could have totally played around in the Dark World and them growing up or maybe Asriel heading off to college was when they, the Lightners abandoned the Darkners. idk.)
2) Ralsei is Asriel, but a few steps to the left. Now, this is the absolutely decidedly not true theory (but isn't directly disprovable). We learned in the snowgrave route, or at least can infer, that Kris is aware of ways to hide a body. Additionally, we don't have any actual confirmation that, well... Asriel has directly *spoken* with anyone while he's been at college. If someone had his phone, they could send texts to people and make them think everything is fine, while the real Asriel is somewhere else. Because here's the thing. Every single Darkner we've seen has been a reflection of an object in the Light World. This is directly confirmed by Lancer and Roulx's presence in the inventory. So... what object made Ralsei? Well, given the resemblance, and the fact that we never saw the inside of the closet (and never will unless that fountain is sealed) its *technically* possible that Ralsei was formed from, well, Asriel. Either by Kris killing their brother and using the body to create a version that wouldn't be in the spotlight constantly, and would be Kris's shadow instead of Kris being stuck as their older brother's... it could work, especially given how fucked up Kris's home life seems to be, and how much less of a reaction they give to manipulating a friend into killing someone as opposed to just... fighting spamton neo and dealing with the puppet stuff. The near complete lack of response to snowgrave makes me think they could be rather desensitized to that stuff. Anyway, the other option is pretty much the same, except with kidnapping instead of murder. Though that would raise the question as to why Ralsei isn't aware of them being Asriel like how Kris and Susie are aware of their lightner nature, but its still concerning. That being said, a very likely candidate is that Ralsei's material he was made from is the corpse of Kris's brother, and Kris has been using Asriel's phone and other online info to trick everyone into thinking he's still alive and at college, but the upcoming break means there's no way they can escape the consequences any longer, which is why they've started making new Dark Fountains, fully aware of the possibility of ending the world, as if that happens they don't get held accountable.
That second one is like the weird route of theories, and no part of me believes it, but it technically could work, and it would explain Ralsei's source item.
But the first one is definitely more likely.
Anyway, bonus observation about a thing in the video (that's also just a lighthearted shitpost because I theorized about literal murder above):
Kris is just an anagram of Frisk but with the F removed. And given the death of 6 children in the past in Undertale, its possible that the F was added to pay respects.
I never bought into this theory, since Ralsei is a Darkner, and Asriel is definitely a Lightner. Also in light of chapter 2 the joking theory that you used to prove a point falls even flatter than it did before since now we have seen Toriel and Asgore in the same room together.
Very well put together and logically makes a lot of sense. Also, what you said at the beginning is simply untrue, every second of this video was entertaining and I loved it
I love that art on 3:10. Not only it is drawn well, but also that expression of Chara like "Okay, whatever, then you were not the greatest person either!"
"bUt He Is WhAt KrIs WaNtEd AzZy To Be!" i hear people saying, **kris did not create the fountain on chapter 1.**
It's not just the first dark fountain, it's the GRAND dark fountain that could not have been created by Kris because of it's very nature (being made of pure darkness), and the grand fountain is THE fountain Ralsei is from. Ralsei is, arguably, the only darkner who was never influenced by the knight or a lightner's will (until he started doing everything Kris and Susie say, of course).
@@kookiautumn1710 yeah
I agree that Ralsei isn't Asriel but he HAS to be related to Asriel in some way. The fact that Noelle almost mistakes Ralsei for Asriel and the fact that he's the only Darkener like that, it's too much of a resemblance to not have some significance. Maybe the item he is in the real world is something Asriel made or something like the red horns Toriel mentioned Kris once wearing, similar to how Lancer was a Jack of Spades and Rouxls Caard was a Rules Card.
I personally think that Ralsei is the character created by Asriel when he lived in town, possibly played as him. The Darkners are objects that come to life, and Ralsei is Asriel's costume come to life or/and the idea of the character come to life.
Interesting idea! It's one of the more likely connections between the two I think, but it's still a bit strange how much romantic subtext Ralsei has with Kris in that context...
@@kookiautumn1710 There are moments in the game like Ralsei not having his own room both in his own castle and queen's mansion and when Ralsei and Kris are on the blimp Ralsei wonders what it's like to be Ralsei implying that he has an identity crisis. I believe Ralsei just tries to be Asriel, but doesn't know how to be him, maybe he learned some things from Toriel when Asriel was in college, possbily to make Kris (and the player) more happy and feel less alone, and i believe the story will go in the direction of giving him his own personallity and life as the story progresses. So maybe their relationship won't go as wierd? There is also a tea easter egg that imply that Kris doesn't like Ralsei as much as they like Susie and Noelle, so it's possible he actually doesn't remind the characters of Asriel as we might think.
@@IamNCortex I think Ralsei's crisis of identity is mostly rooted in him being alone his whole life. A person gets a very vague idea of who they are when they're alone for long persiods of time, isolation does weird shit to your perception of pretty much everything. Not knowing what "being Ralsei-like" means to Ralsei is a byproduct of him trying so hard to be a good person and a good friend that he no longer knows what his wants are vs what needs to be done. He follows whatever Kris says even if he doesn't like it, and that's not something someone sure in themselves would do in his situation i think.
Ralsei is hiding a lot of information, so it's still unknown why he doesnt have his own room, or what the big locked door in his castle is for, and the like. It's very possible that the next chapter will focus on him, through the setup of him not really knowing who he is, and Kris opening a dark fountain themselves, something Ralsei explicitly states he is against under all circamstances.
You bring up a good point though from WHERE Ralsei learned how to behave and what the prophecy is and the like, but learning from Toriel or Asriel is far fetched as no-one has entered the dark world before Kris and Susie, and Ralsei explicitly says he's had no friends until they came around... A lot of food for thought but not a lot of confirmation about Ralsei's past...
i've seen the idea thrown around that Ralsei, if he was created from anything, is that he is the red horns Kris wore as younger
I never thought as Ralsei to be literally Asriel, but rather is intentionally reminiscent of him. Like how Kris is obviously supposed to have major resemblances, yet there are obvious differences. Deltarune is intentionally a bizzaro version of Undertale.
I agree with you the ralsei is not physically Asriel but I do think that he is a representation of the Asriel Kris knew when Asriel was that age. I’m willing to hear if something I’m not thinking about debunks this but I think it works pretty well (the knight can still be Asriel but just a representation of adult Asriel)
Oh my goodness I forgot how small Asriel is
If Raslei IS Asriel, Kralsei would be incest
And Toby doesn't want that, right?
im certain he doesnt. toby was involved with homestuck. needless to say, hes very familiar with fandom and how insane it can be, especially since he is the creator of what is widely renowned as one of the craziest, so i highly doubt he would open that can of worms.
Excuse me.. you dropped this 👑
with chapter 2, the "ANGELS HEAVEN" mentioned in the prophecy is most likely us, the player, considering all the context clues we've been given so far
also good call! susie HAS never met asriel
Why bother mention asreil if the Angel's supposed to represent us the players
Heaven
I didn't know the immortality thing was accually canon, I read about it in handplates today, what a coincidence!
if the anagram theory is true, then somewhere out there is a NUTDEALER (also an anagram of undertale)
And NUDEALERT
I personally think Ralsei’s just Kris’s perception of Asriel. Either that or Ralsei is Asriel’s Imagination character
i appreciate the dark background
Great vid man! Keep pumpin out these vids, really love ur content.
point one, kris, noelle and susie would recognize him. theory disproven.
idk, i've never really interpreted ralsei as being (literal) asriel, but actually as a reinterpretation of the character. Kinda like how Lancer is compared to Sans, despite them being different characters.