Is TCGplayer Quicklist Good Actually? Here's How I Checked
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Getting experimental here, trying to find out which process is better? Will it be my tried and true Bulk Processing System? Or should I embrace Quicklist as the new savior that will get me through all my giant piles of bulk? I've designed what I believe the ultimate shootout between these two processes to really see which one is more suited to processing bulk cards for sale on TCGplayer.
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The pricing tab and mass reprice are awesome! We haven't found much success with quicklist
Glad my experience is being validated. I've only heard good things about Quicklist before now, so I was kind of doubting whether I was doing it right
I’ve been using the same process as you for some time since I commented on one of your earlier videos about alphabetizing by set since that’s how the pull sheet is organized. Only recently found out about the a quicklist software. Glad I didn’t sink time into it. I could see the utility for unsorted magic for someone with little experience the game. I’d have a horrible time sorting by set due to inexperience. The misidentified cards would worry me though. Something of note for “adding quantity” on the pricing tab: you can export a filtered csv of your inventory and there is a specific column to the right for additions to existing inventory. You can update the field and then import the csv on the pricing tab. I’ve only used it once so I can’t say it’s perfect but something you might want to explore if you don’t mind using excel.
Thanks for the great vid as always.
Thanks Chase for that. I have been mulling trying it myself, but your experience basically matched my pre-thoughts. I like sorting by hand and entering them as a group of the same cards. One last time to see any defects.
I do too, but I was fully ready to switch over if it was better
Thanks for another great video! I'm glad to see you're still making videos like this. Best of luck going forward and with the new facility.
Thanks! Seems to be working out, lots of subtle inefficiencies can fall away when there's more space
glad I found your channel dude. thanks for the videos.
I am too! And your welcome!
I totally agree that manually pricing is the way to go. You can do so much more that way. It saves time and like you said you can easily check the prices of your other listed cards as you pass by.
Great video Chase! I only use quick list for non-sorted cards, which yes is a process that has to be done one way or another, but I find it much quicker to sort true random bulk via listing in quicklist than switch through sets and waiting for TCGPlayer to load (gosh it takes so damn long sometimes!). If TCGPlayer didn't take so long to load maybe Quicklist wouldn't be so useful. For sorted sets, yes - pricing is much better.
Using these hot keys have sped up my process with Quicklist substantially when sorting true random for those that don't know about it:
When row in list is selected:
C = Set condition
P = Set printing
L = Set language
Left and Right Arrow Keys = Change set
Space = Start/Stop Scanning
Numbers = Set quantity
Maybe I will have to take a swing at the 1000 card challenge and see what results I come up with! For science! 🐙
Those are helpful tips for someone using Quicklist, for sure. I've just tried to control away the need for it, so that we can test directly whether it's faster to scan or to type in with the pricing tab, for large quantities of cards. I can admit that it may be helpful if you have a stack of high value cards to list in a hurry and sort into your inventory later. If they are high value, they are worth the extra bit of effort to get them listed immediately. But for big ol piles of bulk, I feel like the absolute best QL could do is to approach the time taken by the Pricing Tab process, by means of duplicating it as closely as possible, at which point what is the point of the scanner?
I don't sell bulk cards, but this was very interesting to see. Thank you for sharing the process and sharing your opinion!
Thanks, glad I could make it interesting
Loving the videos, just found the channel. I would like to recommend doing a little sound adjustment before publishing however, I had to crank my PC volume to the max to hear throughout most of the vid. Applying a Compressor effect during video editing can help "even out" volume differences between voice and card snapping as well.
Keep up the good work!
Yeah, I know I mixed this one poorly, but thanks for the suggestion on how to make it better. Glad you're enjoying the content!
Not surprised at all! You have practiced your method so much that I was sure it would win. If you have the time to sit and focus on one piece of the process at a time, your way makes so much sense. Sort all at once, then count up cards and do the data entry. QL seems like a better tool for getting a random assortment of cards in from different sets/games online as quickly as possible with time spent sorting and storing after.
I appreciate your kind words! But yeah, I guess there's a philosophical difference there as well. I'm really against the idea of having cards listed that I'm going to have difficulty shipping because I can't find them, or that I still have to do a bunch of work to have them so ready. If I ended up scanning 5k cards one day, then I'd have 5k cards I would feel like I *had* to get organized and on the shelf before I shut my eyes again, and would feel awful for not having done so
@@TCGBulkKings I can't function if I list cards without putting them properly into inventory
@@Jameson11ink you've got the spirit
I know this is an older video but quicklist has the option to select a certain set and makes it much faster to scan and way less bumps cause it doesn’t select promos or other cards outside of the set.
That was not my experience. Even when selecting a set it was having difficulties not showing me lots of other things. And when it was working correctly, it identified the cards just as quickly, it didn't increase the speed of processing
Yep. I stopped having issues when I switched to a 4K document scanner.
Love your videos.
Thanks!
I'm glad I'm not the only one sorting this way, even though I use BCW tray for the alphabetical side.
It's a bummer that QL isn't faster though, always looking for anything to speed up the grading/uploading. Thanks for the info!
I only have one tray and it was occupied. Also I tend not to use it as much when sorting big piles, because they fill up too quickly 😂
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@@TCGBulkKings You're awesome, thank you and I'm glad you exist brotha.
@@CataractsGaming thank you, and likewise!
Dang, I never thought to use Pricing Tab - I've always used Inventory Tab! I'm definitely going to have to remember that for Lost Origin!
It'll save a bunch of time over typing every card in
Niiiick what do you meeeean XD
You can use a scansnap scanner. It does speed it up a little bit, but still not any faster than the pricing tab. The most time consuming part will always be sort setting and alphabetizing.
Yeah, I was trying to think if it were possible to not feel like I needed to worry about it, but there's not a way to set individual SKUs like there is for some eBay card scanning stuff, because the cards in multiple quantities aren't treated as individual units. So I can't designate these cards as being in that box, for example. I suppose for a smallish higher-end inventory, it would probably be best, because then you don't have to worry about digging through a quarter million cards to find these 12 copies of Treasure Cruise or Snom or whatever that got ordered
Hey bud! I just made it into the Direct Program!! I'm super stoked but kind of overwhelmed and don't have anyone to ask questions to besides my Direct rep, who is of course super busy. Do you have a discord or something that I can maybe ask you some questions? Only reason I made it this far is because of you and the LabTCG, so just wanted to say thank you man, I appreciate you.
I basically just got flooded with a TON of orders because I wasn't able to change my pricing quick enough to be "like I have $0 shipping", as recommended. I'm wanting to mass change my prices, but to what? should reg .02 be .10, should I just add $1 to my more expensive cards? I hope this makes sense and you're the only one I know who to ask tbh lol.
I would honestly first determine a floor below which you aren't willing to sell. Then I would look at all your inventory, and set the prices so that they appear on the first page of listings, hopefully as the cheapest Direct price, and if that would take you below your floor price, I would set the price at the floor price.
I'm really glad that I've been able to help you out! That kind of feedback means a lot to me to receive. I don't mind answering questions here, for the public to see the answers, but I do have a Discord server, however it is currently only open to Patreon members.
@@TCGBulkKings Gotcha, thank you very much for all your responses, I really do appreciate it!
So I decided to take the weekend to change all my prices. It's a lot, around 30k uploaded so far, but I think it'll help in the long run.
Thank you again and I'll see what I can't do to support you further, as you have helped myself and others so much!
Take care!
Blowing out your shoulder alone is a reason to not do that. Maybe there's a more ergonomic setup? But you handle each card so many more times when you have to put it in front of a camera.
I was really trying to make it so that the actual number of touches didn't change, so that it as little as possible disrupted the sorting flow, but it was as much the time to set it down, wait for the software to detect it and whatnot, then move it along, and then fix it if it incorrectly recognized it. Was just much too much to add in for the benefit of what? Not counting and typing the cards into the computer?
Hey Chase, have you tried any of the newer versions of quicklist or tried any newer processes? I'm trying out a few different processes for listing but I haven't settled on anything concrete. Scanning just feels inefficient so I keep coming back to manual sorting.
It just feels like it could be faster though. Way too much inventory sitting.
I still don't like using a camera with QuickList. I am currently using the newest version. It really only improves the step for entering the quantity and price, and it does help that out a bit, but the sorting is still the same old process. Set sort, then alphabetize, then either scan or use the Pricing Tab (if the game isn't currently in QuickList). I'm hoping that the announced QuickList+ that is supposed to launch later this year will add more games and be compatible with newer scanners
for non set sorted and for magic specifically, quick list does seem to save a lot of time. fully set sorted already does mean that the benefit of quicklist (identifying the set auto-magically) takes that real benefit out of the mix. your lighting for your quicklist setup also seems like it's too dark, well lit with no glare (so using lightboxes) is the way to get it most accurate. I'd be interested in seeing magic with a true mix of all sets (NM only) if it would be any faster. We never have busted out the stop watches, but we use quicklist when just listing value cards from every set and it is faster than having to mess with all the set switching for every card.
I can see how it would be useful for a small to medium pile of unsorted value cards you want thrown on there quickly. But with the unsorted Magic bulk I was putting through it, every few cards it was picking up as some Pro Tour player card or old advert card or checklist card. And when it asked me to pick something, it would freeze for 20-30 seconds.
As far as lighting, it seemed like it was too bright, not too dark, as the pictures that showed when it misscanned things were always completely washed out, and adding more light didn't seem to help. I actually moved to this other part of the office because it had less light, and it seemed to help a lot, only had a hard time picking up Pot Helmet for whatever reason.
I was hoping it would be useful for scanning Yugioh at least, but I'm afraid it will just make me do the work of inputing the set every time anyway =/
I'm at a zen space while sorting cards via sets or alphabetically. I got one of those A-Z sorting trays and they sounds of it clanking per card are my asmr
Oh and mic volume is kinda low for me can barely hear
Sorry, I had to mix it down a bit because the cards snaking in my piles was a little jarring, and also I did my editing with headphones this time, probably threw that off a bit too. Thanks for the feedback
Nice. I use quicklist and cant imagine going back. I bought the camera that they use in their demo and works great. I teied with my normal Logitech cam and it ws terrible.
Cool, good info. I was definitely trying to test it out with as basic equipment as I could find, for the benefit of the beginneriest of possible users. I don't like having to put out a bunch of money just to see if I like something, big captial expenses before even being able to test it out are hard for me. In my case, for my business, I don't think scanning would work. I think I can get by with the new app scanned list feature that can be sent to my seller profile staged lists for those special cards that really need listing quickly, rather than in bulk.
The problem with the scanning technology is the fact that you can only scan one at a time. To take full advantage of the technology we need to be able to place a pile of cards into a feeder that slides the through one at a time and scans them at a consistant steady rate. The machine would have to be simple and cheap, and you would have to monitor for errors, but that's the next step for the quicklist if it wants to accomplish it's intended goal. Im not talking the crazy expencive sorter, just like something like those old automatic card shufflers. Just slower and into a scanner. It's like your using just a single part of a factory assembly line and trying to make it work. Theres a bunch of other things that need to come together before an automatic process can work. The first step is there. Just need to take a few more
It would have to dramatically improve the speed to be worth it, like better than 1000 cards in 30 min or less than 2 seconds per card, with identifying and creating a .csv at the same time. Seems a steep challenge, but if anyone wants to get on that as a programming/engineering project, I'm more than happy to test the prototype for you =]
@@TCGBulkKings i didnt even play with legos as a kid. No way in hell im gunna build this 🤣. Im an idea guy not a doing shit guy.
@@YokoBeLoco wasn't saying you, but if someone did, hit me up 😂
That machine exists already. Its called Roca by TCG player. It sorts by set, then alphabetically, then exports to your inventory. Although it is very....not cheap!
@@Dscaggs91 except it's documented not to go that fast, and the costs are as you say very high.
This is coming from a place of love. I had a hard time hearing some of the video. I feel like you should try and project your voice a little better. Audio is a big deal for youtube vids. I think if you practiced speaking from your diaphragm into the mic for your videos, the overall video quality will improve greatly. Power and confidence in your voice can make a big impact. 😉 love ya chase. Keep up the good work.
I mixed this one down a bit because the card snapping sounds were kinda jarring, and I think it affected the voice more than it seemed to on my headphones. Also, after a couple hours of yammering alone, I tend to just lose track of there being an audience other than my autistic self lol
@@TCGBulkKings I got ya man. Being aware of what you already know is much tougher than it sounds after an hour of card sorting 🤣🤪. Your intro and the wrap up at the end sounded great
Yep i couldn't hear nothing
Thanks for all the info you give us. BTW what is the scanner thing you are using ?
It's just a simple off the shelf webcam from Walmart :shrug: the work is being put in by the Quicklist software
@@TCGBulkKings Thanks for the quick answer, I have just started selling on TCG and have been devouring alot of your content.
@@thesoutherngeeks I'm glad I've been able to help, always puts a smile on my face
I'm buying bulk, but I find a lot of people cherry pick the bulk and tend to give only the cards that aren't used as much (Fab TCG). Have you had this problem as well?
Yeah, but I'm not looking at it as a problem. I'm making sure I buy only as bulk, assuming those Fate Forseen (Red) (for example) aren't there. That way anything I find that's more popular or higher selling is like icing on the cake.
can you lay out 40 cards and scan at once with camera further away ?
Lol no, 1 card at a time T.T
Using a Scansnap instead of a webcam will increase your speed tremendously and greatly reduce the misreads.
Still have to scan each card, can't add 60 identical cards at a time to inventory. Probably great for a lot of businesses, but at my volume of cheaper cards, just but efficient enough
@@TCGBulkKings with the TCGPlayer quicklist app you can adjust the volume without dcanning every card and with a fujitsu scansnap, i can easily scan 1000 cards an hour
How much slower was it to quicklist mixed sets?
I couldn't get a real test going there. I was trying it on Magic while set sorting, but I kept getting errors, misscans, &c. It was so much slower that I just couldn't deal with it and had to stop after 500 cards in 3 hours
@@TCGBulkKings oof that sounds miserable...thanks for the intel👍
I'll admit that was during my "figure it out" stage, maybe it's better than that, but I was having a lot of problems, and after the test in the video, I can't imagine how any process changes I could make would even let QL approach my own process's efficiency
I find quicklist software horrible, the camera struggles to recognize cards its pretty slow and you can not adjust camera input enough to make it efficient. That combined with the time to make price adjustments on initial upload is a pass for me. Mass price is the only reason for pro
QL works better with a scanner in my opinion, and there are definitely people out there who get the camera to work well enough for them. I definitely don't like using a camera with it though. There are also people who like to use it simply to move from a .csv into TCGplayer's staged inventory relatively quickly, though I've never used it for that either myself
I have been uploading with the filtered csv files and Google sheets and found a lot of time saving for tcgplayers site to load or to sort in a way tcgplayer pricing tab doesn't allow like set numbers for instance
I keep mine organized to match the Direct pull sheets, and I'm not too attached to one organization
I feel like with this much bulk you have to invest in a card sorter. Manually alphabetizing and sorting at your scale seems like a crazy time sink
I'm actually taking less time to do it than the machines do, and if I can make my system repeatable and teachable, then I just don't really see the point. I would rather create a job and spend less money and time than spend a big up front cost plus monthly fees to use the software plus have to adapt around the machines. I'm also pretty invested in being able to show others how they can do this on their own, without needing expensive sorting machines
While quicklist seems better for unsorted it almost seems silly to list unsorted cards because you have to sort them anyway so might as well do it before you list
Exactly the conclusion I've come to
You sleeve all of the Holo Cards?!?! 😯 I don't sleeve anything on TCGPlayer. 1/2 Way through video and I have a feeling I know which method you're going to prefer; and it's not going to be the QuickList Method! Haha
I just don't know how long it'll be till they sell, and I don't want to get any micro scratches when flipping through them
@@TCGBulkKings I Gotcha - That makes sense!
Software loses again
Has there been another instance I should be aware of? Lol
@@TCGBulkKings nah, not necessarily, just inneficient software over the years. Often better to do it your own way.
Even when it is efficient, it seems like it only fixes one problem or improves one step, not the whole process
@@TCGBulkKings I hear ya, it's like youtube software, apple & windows programs, it's always 1 step forward & 1.25 steps back, never allowing for ease of personalized customization that a person would desire. Or atleast seems like to me.
That conclusion makes zero sense. Automated vs manual? Automated should win every time.
Okay
heard you got these from collectacon clt, are you from the city? I'm local
I'm in middle TN, and 9 hours, but wanted to try this one out last year
@@TCGBulkKings Cool I'm going to the upcoming one in a few months, if you happen to be there I'll see you around.