Never heard of the Wheat Waffle guy before but I enjoyed his conversation with Destiny. When he provided his source he admitted that he couldn’t completely use it to prove his point and that the survey could be wrong. Something about the maturity of admitting his own biases was very nice.
WW is interesting. He can effectively boil down black pill and red pill ideas fairly well. His interpretation of data is a bit off from time to time (he works using normal distributions which don't apply, he also isn't effective using satisficing which gets him off course). But he is far closer than the mainstream and what you would get from the likes of Destiny.
Lame. Your just putting yourself in a box with that kind of thinking. It's an inherently stagnant mindset and doesn't allow for growth. Terrible mindset to have If you want to be happy.
It’s crazy because blackpillers who aren’t just extremely ugly or disabled are coping for their lack of Will to work on themselves to get the options they want
I think destiny's disconnect on this subject is he seems to assume that people (particularly women) in the dating market are thinking rationally about their dating lives. Most people dont think rationally about dating, sex & relationships.
Thats exactly what it is. I understand his points and they have merits but dude completely ignores that theres a difference between what people say they want versus what they actually go for. With women this is moreso the case because they have a need to say whats politically correct and socially acceptable
He did this crazy podcast in Miami with that pearl person and he described how rich beautiful women are in a bad situation today dealing with success and good treatment but not really knowing and are stressed about whether that comes from the merit of the worked they put in or just the good looks. Totally silly point to make and a woman there pointed out that a beautiful women would know if people were only treating her nice because of her looks
@@minabotieso6944 Yeah, i commented on how he contradicts himself. On one hand women are these socially and emotionally intelligent creatures that can sense a mans insecurity, confidence and needines. But for that example, all of the sudden men become emotionally savvy enough to hide their true feelings after his main talking point being that men ARENT as emotionally intelligent and present
Looks matter and status matters. Who seriously needs to be told this? I think women like Emily often project their views as facts and it fucks men over due to false messages.
@@SA-vz7qi Yes, that's fair. But that 90% is what allows anything else to happen. In other words, if you're good looking you can get dates and hook-ups, but that won't be enough to establish a relationship. If you're short and ugly, you won't get either.
@@chrxs61632 I think many people are at least average looking and never have to face the fact that some people are too unattractive to date, nd thus the issue, and those people, become invisible to them. It also causes a degree of emotional discomfort to admit that you're driven by 'superficial' biological hardwiring, and thatvthe world is unfair, and that many people are doomed to loneliness. More comfortable to buy into the lie that it's all about personality, that there's someone for everyone, and that lonely people deserve to be lonely.
When I was 19 I had it on easy mode, all the women fancied me in college and even the older women, but unfortunately I took advice from a religious friend to ignore all there advances (even tho he still tried). Now aged 32 I get nowhere near the same attention and quality, I regret listening to my friend. Don't know if you guys know what happened?
Your environment appearance and personality probably changed. As well as the people you hang around. Nothing is the same as when you were 19, give us more info if you want a better answer.
I used to get more attention from girls in my teen years as well but that’s because I had a certain look and was around much more of them than I am now . At age 32 as a guy you should still get a decent amount of female attention IF you work out and are somewhat confident. Granted they probably won’t approach you but they will give you choosing signals . Have a dog? If do, take it to a dog park and there will be women there more than willing to chat - your dog is a great ice breaker Honestly my problem isn’t attracting women but more the actual relationship part. One night stands don’t interest me these days and I find serious relationships to be rather confusing especially now that I am looking through more of a red pill lens
Finances and status matters much more the older and older you get. You're expected to have your own property, a decent car, and have seniority that your job
Destiny is clueless about dating. Saying that options for women were the same or similar historically is the dumbest thing. Online dating changed the scale of the options to whole another dimension.
Back then being "Chad Only" was impossible because Chads are always rare. Today with the internet it's literally what all women are doing. Sharing Chad
Todd looks like Wheat Waffles father. 34:15 If Emily was younger, her sentiment would be alot different. Considering she has a child and is much older, shes obviously looking for status/personality etc > looks.
Exactly she’s a single mom if she was younger in this time she would say looks money and status all three but mostly looks if she didn’t she’s just virtue signaling like other girls or trying to settle down for a man she can use
@@anderson-gb8rpyeah they say that but magically when they get a guy he is 6ft decent face and full head hair just look at their actions and even if the guy wasn’t that she is just using him for money status
Y’all needed a young person on this panel. Nobody that’s under 25 thinks in the way that Destiny is describing. Gen Z is superficial AF. These old heads really think ppl are out here dating for the sentimental value 😭😭
Literally I honestly don’t think anyone past millienials should be able to talk about this only young people seeing the trends in their face how brutal it is
At least he is someone not on the far right talking about the lonely single male issue but everything he has to say is a joke. He did a podcast recently where he was asked who has it harder, men or women? And he went on to talk about rich beautiful women in entertainment having it hard
@@minabotieso6944 i think u didnt understand correctly, in that podcast they were talking that a hot successful woman dont know for sure if she is succesful because shes hot or bc she worked hard for it not that they have it harder between man or woman
@@TiotiopJ I understood it and it’s a very dumb point. Talking about who has it worse and immediately going to rich beautiful people is dumb enough. The sidekick cohost women explained to him how a women would actually think through that circumstance and he had nothing to say. A woman would know if she is only being treated good for her looks.
@@toddjohnson271 what percentage of women from Virginia do you think are dating some guy from another state or country who messaged them on Facebook? It’s less than 1%
The issue in these discussions is we don’t necessarily agree on what’s a top 1% vs 10 vs 30 vs 50+ woman or man look like. Playing with Fire put up a girl he says is his 9/10 on Tinder and she got 1000 likes in 24 hours. I saw a video from Jacked and Stacked where his experiment got a girl with over 10k in 2 days meaning at least 5000 in 1 day. 5x the results. Personally I think the girl who got 5x the results is much more attractive. This applies to men as well If you map things out into statistically niche characteristics it’ll be impossible to argue against the best looking women almost always being with either chads or millionaires
@@kimilsungthefirst6840 No this is very important. When you have average guys scoring 6s occasionally then telling you you can get 8s because they think the 6s are 8-9 it’s bullshit. And while we call certain guys average in reality if you’re not overweight and not overly skinny with no significant flaws as a male you’re better looking than 80-70% of guys. Most people aren’t that attractive, a 6/10 male or female is better looking than 80-90% of people. And with the example I gave no I wouldn’t give that first girl a 7 that’s the point. She’s only attractive relative to the rest of the population. Her face is slightly above average, breast are disproportionate to the rest of her body and it doesn’t look like she’s fit so they’re gonna be saggy at that size, no legs no ass From a certain pov none of this debating even really matters. We can just try our best and to get results and if we don’t get the results it means we’re correct. I’m down to entertain every cope in the book exhausting every option but the outcome is obvious 99.99% of the time
@@kimilsungthefirst6840 I’m not confused haha. I do have an objective system that’s the point of why I brought this up. It’s shocking that this doesn’t come up more often given how it can make or break your argument. There can’t be an objective scale that everyone agrees but if most people agree then it matters like the profound example I gave. It would be one thing if it was a 2x increase but a minimum of 5x is so big that there’s no damage control. Which is important because someone could say they prefer a woman who is technically niche but that most consider unattractive like a severely obese person. You must also factor in negative characteristics cancelling out positive ones The hardest thing to make objective is facial features but I like to describe it as symmetrical and feminine. This usually involves but isn’t exclusive to European centric features. I’ll give examples of women who qualify as at least a 7 by these standards. Olivia Casta and Marina Mui for the young girl looks, Ane Cheri and Amouranth for the older “mature” woman type. Magga Braco and Mom Vikki (look up on Twitter) other random example. If you search you are desperate on YT you’ll see a vid of a blonde girl I personally think is a legit 10. Black women can be attractive but I don’t have any examples but you can picture it since there’s no meaningful difference between black women with slightly more European features vs mixed women and Latin Americans For men you can be attractive whether you’re hypermasculine looking, feminine, or a balance. We know what pretty boys and chads look like so I won’t waste time trying to get examples but I will give examples of guys who vary between normie and chad/tyrone lite. The guy I mentioned before Jacked and Stacked is an example of a 7/10 black man. Some might say he’s an 8, some a 6, few lower than 6. Jesse James West I’d say 6, again some would say 5 others 7. I used him for a Tinder experiment and broke 100 likes in under 12 hours. Will Tennyson 5, I used him as well and while his results where great they where about half of Jesse’s. Destiny when he’s well groomed I say is a 6 which is why it’s cringe when he tells people getting 15 likes on Tinder for an all around average guy is doable not comprehending he’s above average. You can debate on 5.5, 6.5 etc I’m just sticking to even numbers. Your overall score would be gauged by face, height, body for men and for women mostly just face and body. Unless you’re extremely short height doesn’t matter that much for women
@richard cranium That’s a highly flawed rating system. The point of a rating is to describe how close they are to your idea of perfection. With that system we could have a world of 10s who would be labeled 5s, terrible logic that doesn’t reflect our perception of them. I don’t know if I agree with there being more attractive women than men. You put that in quotes so maybe you meant to say women are considered more attractive on average which I agree because it’s an observation fact hence why we get caught up in this discussion and have to differ between who actually is 8+ vs who isn’t
Almost forgot to add this. I can say it’s a fact that women I desire are almost always (and by that I mean 99.99% of the time) either with guys I consider 7+ or rich men. And usually when I do see an outlier (always through media haven’t seen it in person yet) it’s usually that the guy or girl got better or worse looking from when the relationship initially started. If you’re worldview is correct then explain how could this be the case for me? I should be seeing women I desire with normie men who aren’t rich on a relatively regular basis
What I've learned from a lonely life: 1) No point focusing on the specific details of what women want. Not only is it somewhat subjective, and not only does it vary age to age (a 20 year old looks for different things than a 40 year old), but it's so complex and vast as to be best summed up by a single word 'everything.' They want height, looks, wealth, confidence, status, humour, etc etc. More is more. The more good qualities you possess the better. People who say, 'just be confident, bro' or 'just shower' or some other reductive trite statement are stupid. 2) No point focusing on what women say they want, what men tell you they want, what you think they want, or face analysis or anything else. There's only 1 true test: how women behave towards you. Do they smile at you, touch you, flirt with you, and go on dates with you? Yes, you're attractive. No, you're unattractive. Easy and accurate. 3) Women will settle for a man with some weak traits (bit short, low income, nervous or shy, etc) so long as they are compensated for by a highly positive trait, well above average (great confidence can balance out a slightly below average face; great wealth can compensate for being only 5'7; being tall can mitigate against a degree of fat; being handsome will make being poor ok; etc etc). The problem is that what is allowed to compensate for what varies woman to woman, and even with the same woman month to month, so that it appears almost random. Some women will settle for a tall but fat man, some won't. Some will settle for a broke but confident man, some won't. And you can never predict. 4) Although it's virtually impossible to predict, then, what will make you attractive to women, it is possible to assess what will make you unattractive. There are two main things: having weaknesses without any compensating positives (so if you're average looks, average income, average social skills, below average height, bit fat, lacking confidence- everything is average or below); or, worse, having an extreme negative (really fat, really short, really ugly, really bad hygiene, homeless, zero social skills, etc). These are hard barriers to dating that will make it very, very hard for you. 5) Dating relies on the Matthew effect, same as economics. If you have, more will be given. If you don't have, even that will be taken from you. If you get early dating success, then you'll get confidence, which will lead to more success, which leads to better social skills and game etc. But if you get early rejections, you'll lose confidence, then get rejected more, become depressed, isolated, mentally ill, fall behind in social development and it'll just keep getting worse. Sometimes the entire difference between a great life and a miserable life can be traced back to being first rejected by a girl when 14 years old. 6) There are no easy fixes. Everythingnis hard, or virtually impossible. Want to change your height? Good luck with that. Want to get a ripped body? Possible, but very hard. Want to get confidence? You can only do that from success, and success requires confidence. Wicked problem. Anyone selling an easy answer, whether looksmaxxing or PUA game, is scamming you. 7) Going without your normal, natural, basic psychological needs for validation, touch, sex, friendship, procreation, intimacy, etc unfulfilled is going to leave you with chronic emotional loneliness, depression, body dysmorphia, bitterness, anger, and mental illness. Those who say that you don't need women, just focus on yourself, you're better off alone, etc, are foolng themselves, and lying to you. Sooner or later the loneliness will drive you mad. 8) Blaming women, biology, society, politics, feminism, etc is a waste of time. Not only is it all far more complex that such a simple statement allows, but there's nothing you can do to change anything, and your ideology will only make you more bitter and less attractive and your life will just get worse. Accept its all mostly just luck. I mean, you probably don't even have freewill let one any power to do anything about anything. 9) No matter how many positive traits you have, how put together you are, there will always be loads of other men who outcompete you. There will always be someone taller, more handsome, more charismatic, etc than you. And there will always be someone who is at the right time and place having a better day than you. Women will always have better options than you somewhere at sometime. 10) No matter how awesome you are, women will always be able to outperform you in dating. A really high quality man will still not be able to get dates and sex as easily as an average woman. Their ability to date and their body count ca, if they want, always be higher and better than yours. And that will likely make you jealous, bitter, and resentful at how unfair it all is. Such is life.
Women don’t like men for money status they use them getting women with money status is basically longterm prostitution and personality doesn’t matter either it only matters who it’s coming from being confident charismatic game all that stuff is bs other than that I agree with you and also yes life is luck to some degree yet the guys who succeed and fail where already destined by their genes creating the Matthew effect loop
Quick point: You said not having confidence will make it worse, but what actually creates confidence? NOTHING. You can just loose it on day basis. The negative feedback loop is just society seeing how you look, your status and smell and your actions - that, let's be honest, you need to be rather mentality ill since always to get negative feedback SOLENY on the way you act to the point you fail in life and get no life experiences. So, after all, it's likely looks are the n.1 cause.
This was hilarious. Wheat was on reality level of what "IS" going on. Destiny was about theoretically could be. Todd had a HOT Farah Fawcett/Ryan O'Neal relationship. Fun stuff....pt 2 please 😄
@@taot5655 But dating apps are the best option women could use because they can reach people they couldn't have met otherwise, it's safer to weed out creeps through a screen than getting approached them on the street or in the club and online dating is how more than 50% of the relationships formed BEFORE COVID. Most of dating is on the internet, and it's a way better alternative for women so if you wanna date women you have to know those facts
Destiny is actually pretty social. He's a great communicator, he's funny, and he's really talented. If he wasn't famous, I'd be surprised if he wasn't still having a lot of sex with different people.
I do not understand the argument that "men can't get women because they are not relationship material" If your problem is that you can't get a one night stand then going for relationships isn't going to help you because you basically ask more from the other person when you ask for a relationship And even if you are "relationship material" in every other department beside looks the looks requirement doesn't just disappear. People are not going to get into a relationship with you if they are not attracted to you unless they want something from you
Disagree. Maybe from the male perspective but not the female. To women, offering a girl commitment and resources etc is a much bigger reward than a guy who just wants to smash and dash. She gets more out of the first option. In many ways it is harder for men to get into one night stands than relationships, which is why most people have been in relationships while most people have never had a one night stand. At the end of the day one night stands are more about looks and quick attraction, while at least with relationships you can have time to build that connection/attraction and compensate in other areas which is how people who date "out of their league" usually come about
@@xjohntheone Aren't people not attracted to you if you have to compensate for your looks with other things? Also... doesn't the woman also have to commit? Like... is it really more beneficial to them to date a guy instead of just having a one night stand? When a guy asks a woman out doesn't it run through her mind if she wants to be in a relationship or not, doesn't she ask herself what she wants from a relationship and what the man has to offer? Doesn't she think about how that affects her status, what her friends or relatives would say or would she like to be seen with him in public? Also, you wouldn't tell a guy friend who is struggling with dating to "Just ask them to marry you. Women find commitment endearing"
Might be true for some people but not all. Most people I know will even date someone if they’re not exactly their type because as long you really like something about them, over time you often find you become more attracted to a person as you get to know them. There’s something kind of beautiful about the process.
Getting a hook up is much easier than most people think. I think dating apps make it harder than it actually is. You don't need to always look good to get it. You just need to be in the right place at the right time.
I am as red pill as you can get, and I love out debating blue pill people. I run away from black pill guys, because they make me feel stupid and hopeless , I can't refute their stats or logic.
Dude it's all what you'd call implication in philosophy and logic. Which means that all statments have to be true or one has to be false. It's illogical, non deductive. Literally ass backwards. And they're massively unnuanced and leave enough room for you to feel like shit. I'm all for the red pill, at least the way Hamza Ahmed speaks of it. Just self improveme for you, not girls and you'll reap the benefits later. Get good or get lost.
I think people would understand their situation better, but they wouldn't necessarily have better access to good dates. If you can walk into a room and see "Oh, there's me and twenty other guys, and three women" then your expectations for the night are calibrated better than an app pretending that the ratio is equal.
Maybe... But that's because without dating apps people wouldn't know their true attractiveness and value Dating apps are basically the open market where your value is determined by the demand for you. The demand for the top men won't go away because you shut down the open market
Honestly, the most dangerous thing about the black-pill is the dysmorphia that comes with it. It's the male version of unrealistics beauty standards on IG for women. Imagine feeling insecure, then being flooded with content that talks about how your face isn't attractive from a mathematical level. How important all these traits are that you don't have, that you can't change. Oh no, your chin is slightly recessed when compared to the optimum aesthetic value, time to get double jaw surgery. Welp, your short, and you can't change that - you also can't change your cheek bone height or brow ridge. Your hairline is receeding but you can't afford a transplant. All of the sudden, you're 10 times more self-conscious that when you started. You have lower confidence, are extra shy, and your dating issues are exacerbated. The cycle is vicious. I've seen dudes get absolutely swallowed by this type of obsession. I don't think Wheat Waffles and other creators in this circle know the damage they cause, even if their goal is noble.
Except it's not unrealistic beauty standards. The dating market for men is just that competitive. Especially now that guys above your looks sleep and get into relationships with girls bellow their looks level all the time so that they can feel more admired in the relationship. And that drives up the demand for good looking men because girls can easily get the best guy
@@sajtospog9888 they are unrealistic because in real life, most people will end up settling for someone around their looks level anyway. Sure their ideal might be a 10/10 model, but it's not every day you find one of those much less one who wants to actually settle down with you. In the end most women will end up with average men and vice versa.
@@xjohntheone Yes but the thing is... those average men will be happy in those relationships because they had no one in their life before. So they'll fall into the arm of the 1st girl who shows them any interest. However the women won't be happy in the long run because she had way better before, "Why did this happen to me? I don't deserve this". She'll think "I'll just have to tolerate this ugly freak having sex with me a few times". And even if the relationship starts on good terms she's bound to feel that way once the guy gets a bit older, fatter and uglier Guys in those relationships are always oblivious that the relationship is not working because they are actually happy in it. And that makes them delusional. Then they'll end up in dead bedrooms or divorced
@@xjohntheone If your actually in real life you realize the only people who settle are losers who don't have a out or any other option literally a desperate struggle lmao. Bro I get your trying be positive and I don't blame you but bro the average guys existence especially these days is pathetic and only getting worse if you could potentially have a out from that type of quiet struggle why wouldn't you take it?
Watch Tinder experiments of Chad's saying the worse things imaginable and still getting girl's numbers. When a woman rejects you it's because of your LOOKS not your personality
he only listens to women and disregards men. he prefaces every argument with “women i spoke to have told me this.” what about the thousands of men you speak to, Destiny? it’s so odd
Love how two normal people agreed with the black piller over Destiny. I don’t think Destiny realizes how much if his success with women is solely attributes to the fact that he is e-famous and is pretty well-off. Women will date a turtle who has clout and a ton of money lol. So he’s kinda far-removed from knowing exactly what is like today. If you’re not a 9 or 10, above 6ft, with a $70k+ a year job minimum, and White or White-Hispanic, you’re kinda non-existent to women.
All i can do is point you at all the ugly, short, poor, not white people I know with girlfriends. I do not know how it is done, but if this were true all of these guys would be single.
@@nicholascarter9158 You think I don't know that those guys get women? The thing is, those guys get settled for, or they settle for women who are far beneath their league.
@@AntarixOfficial You know what I'm talking about then. The blackpill did the same for me. I still lament the death of me lineage, but honestly, the way the West has gone, it's on it's death bed as well, in fact, it's already been dealt the death blow.
@@ryanbailey8588 theres alot of us in the same boat too which unfortunately sucks but i dont make the rules. all the best with what we have to all of you guys out here struggling.
This is cap 🤣 I'm 5'10, Black and work at a gas station right now and I still get women(I have a GF now but women still try to give me their numbers on the daily). I am like a 6.5-7/10 face wise and I have a naturally masculine body(broad shoulders and full beard) but I work at a GAS STATION......and my girlfriend is white
@richard cranium the chemicals released during sex argument doesn’t prove anything about pairbonding. You would need research that is the same as the one mentioned with the women and numbers of partners vs indefinitely but using men instead. I think men also lose their ability to pair bond.
@richard cranium I mean I am not sure if lots of sex would affect a man’s ability to pair bond but maybe lots of relationships would? Whereas lots of sex could affect a woman’s ability to pair bond as evolution is strong in that we would most likely end up invested in who we have sex with due to a potential pregnancy
@@Alisha0413to clarify, mens ability to pair bond (for lack of better terminology) absolutely can be impaired. It’s just that, on average, it takes more to do the same level of damage to a man psychologically. But even a man can feel sexually disposable, given enough partners yes
@@lordofgingers hey Pete! 😊 my comment was in regards to someone saying that there is science saying that men aren’t affected by multiple sex partners. I don’t there is much science out there done on pairbonding and men. I think I agree with you though and the man who made the original comments was discussing the different chemicals involved.
Dang dude, I think relationships are hopeless and the best thing to do is completely give up on that shit and just try to get enough money to survive and find some joy for yourself. Load up on Copium and do your best.
"Most men can be a 6 or 7..." The average guy is rated 2.5 the top 20% starts at 4.3. A guy who is a 5 is top 15% a guy rated 5.7 is top 8%. He has no clue. What is interesting is how women recognise this reality more quickly than men like destiny. All you have to do is show how those figures will translate in to explaining their experience and suddenly they see how it all makes sense. Destiny still projects a man's perception of women on to women's perception of men because he is dumb enough to believe in some combination of blank slate or fixed identical mental processes.
@ john gress Neither, but I can see you don't know much about this stuff. You don't understand the Black Pill, which regards looks as being aosta entirely accountable for women's attraction and regards looks as being mainly genetic. The figures I used are based upon women's revealed preferences before OLD took off. Modern numbers make it look far worse, but that data is corrupted by adaptive behaviour. It is certainly not "black pilled" to state men's looks are significantly less useful to the vast majority of them so other factors obviously do significant compensation for that. Infact that is a position most blackpillers would baulk at.
@ john gress You obviously don't listen to the black pillers very carefully. WW often sets out the key feature of Black Pill is the belief that looks are almost all of attraction and the vast majority of that is genetic. That is the key distinguishing feature of their ideas. As for your complaints about how women access men's attractiveness, your dislike of the data is irellevant. As a life hack I suggest you need to brush up on your stats you should have been taught around the age of 12. Your mi d shouldn't boggle at the concept of a distribution that is not a normal one.
Well tbh a lot of people really have a warped definition of the term ‘red pill’.. like Waffles said, the red pill encompasses a very large area and there are many sectors .. that said, this part of the debate or discussion seemed to be stuck in mud at times . I hope part two flows a little better ..
Honestly whenever the term "sexual market value" is used i almost always assume i get laid more than them. Ive doubled the average amount of sexual partners but a 5'7" working class poor stiff with smallpeen. I work blue collar work. I wear basketball shorts all day every day. I feel like getting laid just isnt nearly as hard as people pretend. And my face is up on my channel. Im not super attractive. Im pretty average
I feel like most Black/Red pill people have a subconcious preconception that the girl they are hitting on will reject them. I think attraction matters a lot, but I think confidence and competence can increase your «attraction level» drastically. I’m also a 5’7 average looking dude, and I’ve personally seen a big difference in my «game» when I’m feeling confident vs when I’m down on my self
@@Ellefsen97 like yeah theres always a range that is generally available to you and they may not be 8 or 9s out of 10. But its wwwwwwwaaaaaaaayyyy easier to pick up a woman and get into a relationship than these people pretend. And the deep red pillers basically talk about women that almost exclusively feels like "rich people problems." Like fresh and fit. None of them talk about women and relationships that look anything like lower middle class life and relationships. Its bizaare
@@unclebobboomergames I agree. I will never pull a insta model with 2M followers or a super model, but I’m totally okay with that lol. Regarding F&F and red pillers that think money and status is everything in dating. When you use money and status to pull, you will only pull girls that prioritise exactly that. So in their experience every girl only cares about their money But for normal people it’s all about connection, chemistry and how you make the girl feel. Ofc appearance matters, but if you take care of yourself and develop your confidence, your looks won’t hold you back too much
@@malimal4972 by talking and flirting. Being intelligent. Knowing how to ask another person about themselves. And if the real question is how do you do that, the answer is practice. The key is that if youre socially aware enough, you know when someone is talking to you and theyre not being upfront. If a dude has money (i do not but have heard this) they can tell when a woman is just in it for their money or status. The question is how much do you allow it. We can all feel out that vibe. So if youre a dude, the woman can tell if youre talking to her leading with your dck she can tell. Women know when dudes are tryna fk and thats it. So dont do that. Practice. Practice. Practice. Learning how to be comfortable striking up convos is the absolute key. It helps you weed out those not worth your time as a bonus
It's refreshing to see a calm debate where every person has some points and reasons for why they think that way. But also a little boring because of it lol
I wouldn't fully agree with WheatWaffles although I am a strong supporter of him. I don't think looks is everything. It definitely does matter a LOT. But like the bluepill guy was saying. You see all the time very average guys with good looking women because usually they bring something else to the table. So yeah they're still on the top, but not necessarily always in the looks department.
@@3jesus3christ3the action of marrying or forming a sexual relationship with a person of a superior sociological or educational background. Here's the definition So no, you're the naive one. Words have meaning for a reason, that reason is so that we can communicate concepts between each other in order to have the understanding required for cooperation. This whole "Words are made up therefore they can mean anything without utility and/or concensus, so let's change how they are colloquially used" postmodern sophistry is damaging and shows blatant arrogance. Just because a concept is a social construct and was made through a limited arbitrary mechanism. Doesn't therefore mean people should arbitrarily make up new definitions just because the current one isn't serving you right now. Law is arbitrary, should it therefore not exist? As if we choose to arbitrate complex concepts like a man choosing between a burrito or a sandwich. Psycholingustics and studys on linguistics to our neurology show that the constant redefining of words worsens alzheimer symptoms and are an indicator of schizophrenic susceptibility. Postmodernist ideology should have been mocked heavily like it deserves to be, since through its own doctrine, it's too stupid to realize that because it has no truth, it has lost the ability to make any claim or retort any. "2+2=4" "no because math was arbitrarily made by a human and not "truth " because there is no truth, It could be 5 therefore you're wrong"
Men r so polygamous, they can have atleast 20 kids in their life , like let's say someone is making 100 k in 30s but 350k in 50s then they can attract 20 yr olds at 50 and have babies
Destiny: "Men have to provide more than a pay check" OK, but what is it women provide that is unique? All the things you would hear listed would also be things men provide. The man providing a paycheque was when women took care of all domestic basics. If those are shared then there is no issue of men not providing the paychecks. It is a weird materialist analysis that assumes relationships of men put money in and women put sex in. This would be horrifying if this was stated explicitly. I question Destiny's family background. My dad used to come back and discuss emotional stuff with my mum all the time. When he was really ill that was what she found missing the most. I remember parents having these discussions all the time years back I'm not sure what Destiny's family did but it sounds weirdly unnatural.
I always hated this "mEn HaVe NoThINg To BrInG tO tHe TaBLe"-BS. Why are people sayting that? What are women bringing to the table? Their pussy? Sick, but that doesn't count since both are bringing their genitals to the table. Men are almost always the providers because women WANT that. If anything, we should ask what women are brining to the table, so their at home and taking care of the kids but this is something men can do to BUT this is not socially accepted. Stay at home dads are seen as lazy and bums and what not. The western world is such a degenerate clown world.
@@KurokamiNajimi bro your projecting. destiny is short with narrow shoulders and a high pitched voice and has a beer belly and wears s beard to hide his lack of jawline. A 6/10 implies above average he's underaverage in almost every way. Even though the average guy is ugly as shit destiny is even under that
Who edited this??? Why cut to an icon of waffles when he's talking. Just leave it on one of 2 scenes of the people. Showing so many minutes of an icon is stupid and pointless.
These types of discussion seems kind of pointless: "do you think two identical 8/10 men with different social skills would....".etc. etc. What does it matter what Destiny or someone thinks or imagines about this. you have to investigate these things in 'the field', in a controlled environment or something . and then you'd find out that the #blackpill is truefax.
45:52 he said something incorrect; he said a 22 year old women wil have along list but by the time the women is in her 30s she just wants a nice guy; thats wrong, I suggest this man go what a bunch of kevin samules videos, u will see women in they 30s, 40s, and 50s with multiple kids still looking for the same traits that they was looking for in they 20s. so female delusion an entitlement does not end when a women hits 30, they are still just as demanding bcause they feel their value is the same even tho they older and with multiple kids.
@@theemilyandtoddpodcast women are known to give "politically correct" answers. You need to be able to spot that and question her. Also just in general you seem very agreeable with her.
@@themarathoncontinues4211 i know what pair bonding is, but it usually refers more to other animals eg birds, snd not so much humans in romantic relationships. He's basically using red pill talking points.
@@cjojay the idea that sleeping around increases her likelihood of marital dissatisfaction + cheating on you still stands. His broader point is correct, I wouldn’t get hung up on the phrase - because the concept 100% applies to humans.
While I agree with wheat waffles 99% of the time, he himself is absoulte better off then literally the vast majority of Incels, he's decent looking, tall ect. Idk why he even got into all this, I wish I could be clueless, bluepilled and just walk away from the blackpill but it doesnt work like that. He can walk away, I can't.
The longer this goes on I'm wondering if Destiny has ever interacted with humans. "Women don't tell me they think this..." Most humans don't understand most of their choices are not rational. Even fewer admit to that fact. Seriously, how do you become an adult and not know this?
@@4evahodlingdoge226 that makes sense. Maybe his view is biased bcs he's famous and rich. Idk, not trying to hate on the guy, but the other 3 seem a lot more realistic
@@joyboy-zx Yeah I reckon being blue pilled is a phenomina for very high status or 'chad-like' men. Normally red pilled men have started off as either average or below average but through self-improvement they have become above average. Then the 'black pilled' people are average or below-average, but they either have strong genetic drawbacks, or they simply haven't invested enough time into self-improvement.
But i think you have to see the perception from an other perspective, if every girl gets bombarded with options, then it isnt a exclusive thing for one girl. Girls talk to other girls about their online experience. If every girl gets that experience and realizes every other girl (especially the whales) gets it too, then its nothing special for her ego.
He was using an absurd example to clearly make a point however it is true that most men that just workout consistently, practice good hygiene and wear clothes that fit them can be a 7 out of 10 as far as looks go. They just need to try, which is not delusional.
JFC. This whole Black pill red pill perspective to human relationships is exhausting AF. 😆 All these tiresome categories... lol It reminds me of social credit system thinking. Cringe
If you tell someone who is struggling that "you are good enough" that literally goes against what the person just experienced It'd only create more delusional and entitled people However the blackpill is brutally honest
Definitely just go try to talk to all the girls you can but it’s obvious that women are not just like you and me. Society sees them differently and they see the world differently. There’s a big growing issue with single lonely men for a reason
It really suprised me how Wheatwaffles is actually quite attractive, i always thought blackpillers where either chronically depressed or straight up horrible looking, it's sad that the internet got an attractive young man thinking that he is not enough because of nitpicks in his face or height.
He’s technically above average. Even black pill raters have him at 5.5/9 (9 is max cause 10 doesn’t exist for BP) so him being .5 over average is above average and he’s still one of the biggest blackpilled on the internet
In fairness, most of them are. If you're on their subs/forums you'll see very average looking blokes. Mind you, you also see some attractive guys that have had their confidence smashed and have developed dysmorphia due to the group's obsession on looks - which is sad.
Wheat is a painfully average normie who doesn't know how to looksmaxx (he has a buzzcut, wears tight clothes, he is ginger, his eyebrows are barely visible, his mandible isn't visible and he is average height (5'10). He's a 5 at most right now. He could look way better but he doesn't know blackpill or the female gaze that well He's just trying to scam blackpillers with face ratings
As a woman I say that women are hypergamous when it comes to financials and status. Men are hypergamous when it comes to looks. Women in general don’t want to be the uglier one in the relationship and the opposite for men. My boyfriend makes more than twice my income but I look more than twice better than him. People can’t believe I’m dating him until they learn that he’s a successful lawyer. But not only that- he’s charming, funny, knows how to read a room, intelligent, etc.
Not going to happen times have changed we must either adapt o get left behind and we all know what happens to organisms that can’t adapt with the changes of time
If you want to have sex with women, you've got to look at it like two people connecting instead a lot of this robotic black pill shit. If you're talking about maximizing anything, you're probably thinking of this shit all wrong. Don't think about trying to get "women," think about trying to get "Haley." Apply yourself and listen to what Haley has to say and try to understand her as a person while you're talking to her. Women are people, and they have diverse tastes and thoughts that defy a lot of general categorization. There isn't a magic bullet that lets you unlock women's psyche, you have to plant your feet on the ground and figure it out one person at a time. The best you can do to get your foot in the door is the boring general advice like dressing ok and staying clean. The rest is going to have to come down to you trying to connect with Haley. It's the same skill set you use to make friends, just applied in a different dimension. You've probably been honing that skill your entire life without realizing it.
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Never heard of the Wheat Waffle guy before but I enjoyed his conversation with Destiny. When he provided his source he admitted that he couldn’t completely use it to prove his point and that the survey could be wrong. Something about the maturity of admitting his own biases was very nice.
He debate Hamza if I remember right
@@Equinoxsanity wtf Hamza is a belgian rapper r u sure?
I don’t agree with his dating philosophy, but I really enjoyed him in this debate because he could calmly and eloquently articulate his views.
Ive seen and heard of him...A lot of different groups of BLack Pillers. Personally do not like this guy. hrs,days, month live streaming bashing him...
WW is interesting. He can effectively boil down black pill and red pill ideas fairly well.
His interpretation of data is a bit off from time to time (he works using normal distributions which don't apply, he also isn't effective using satisficing which gets him off course). But he is far closer than the mainstream and what you would get from the likes of Destiny.
I love debates that just consist of not agreeing with each other calmly 😂
It's because wheat walks back his points when there's a little push back 😂
He's such a bad rep for blackpillers
It’s really something
Women don't tell you, jack. Sometimes they don't even realize their primal choices.
Bingo. They don't understand their own shallow nature. "Never ask a fish how to catch a fish. Instead ask the fisherman"
This made me puke in my mouth and cringe at the same time
@@jalengayfield3915 that’s just your primal beta programming reacting to the truth
@@louisdunn7693 I’m the beta but you paid this guy to tell you you’re ugly
@@louisdunn7693 Fuking perfect response😂
You're either BlackPilled or Coping!!!
Lame. Your just putting yourself in a box with that kind of thinking. It's an inherently stagnant mindset and doesn't allow for growth. Terrible mindset to have If you want to be happy.
@@ladev91 Cope.
True
It’s crazy because blackpillers who aren’t just extremely ugly or disabled are coping for their lack of Will to work on themselves to get the options they want
@IPetGhost
If coping involves getting laid, then I'm happily coping. Because I'm damn sure not Black Pill.
I think destiny's disconnect on this subject is he seems to assume that people (particularly women) in the dating market are thinking rationally about their dating lives. Most people dont think rationally about dating, sex & relationships.
bingo, this is why the father is needed to help younger people understand their own worth. Don't give the milk away for free.
Women don’t think rationally ever
Thats exactly what it is. I understand his points and they have merits but dude completely ignores that theres a difference between what people say they want versus what they actually go for. With women this is moreso the case because they have a need to say whats politically correct and socially acceptable
He did this crazy podcast in Miami with that pearl person and he described how rich beautiful women are in a bad situation today dealing with success and good treatment but not really knowing and are stressed about whether that comes from the merit of the worked they put in or just the good looks. Totally silly point to make and a woman there pointed out that a beautiful women would know if people were only treating her nice because of her looks
@@minabotieso6944 Yeah, i commented on how he contradicts himself. On one hand women are these socially and emotionally intelligent creatures that can sense a mans insecurity, confidence and needines. But for that example, all of the sudden men become emotionally savvy enough to hide their true feelings after his main talking point being that men ARENT as emotionally intelligent and present
Wheat waffles should have dyed his hair black for this debate
🤣 I don't know if you are genuinely confused or if this is a destiny joke
@@FinalFrontier101 He unironically should've done that. Him and Destiny can be best buds :0
he wud be such a chad
And destiny should keep it blue at all times because this is what he is, a clueless ignorant bluepiller!
Looks matter and status matters. Who seriously needs to be told this? I think women like Emily often project their views as facts and it fucks men over due to false messages.
Of course it does. People downplay it, because it is a brutal and primal and we don't want to think we're that shallow.
@@toddjohnson271 and you’re part of the problem too. Perpetuate lies that ultimately hurt young men
@@Trecesolotienesdos alright, getting called out....what's the lie?
@Todd Johnson I’m saying that people like Emily and you seemingly mislead a generation. 😊 a helpful lie isn’t really that helpful
She is old with a child so her perspective on dating is irrelevant asf
Dating is 90% looks. I think it's honestly that simple.
Yes exactly.
However women deny it.
Why do they deny it?
Answer: Because they don’t want to come off as shallow
I think it is more complex, 90% "qualifying looks" so hitting a standard. But once someone qualified it is probably only 50%.
@@SA-vz7qi Yes, that's fair. But that 90% is what allows anything else to happen. In other words, if you're good looking you can get dates and hook-ups, but that won't be enough to establish a relationship. If you're short and ugly, you won't get either.
I knew that since I was 5 years old. Don’t know how people refute this
@@chrxs61632 I think many people are at least average looking and never have to face the fact that some people are too unattractive to date, nd thus the issue, and those people, become invisible to them.
It also causes a degree of emotional discomfort to admit that you're driven by 'superficial' biological hardwiring, and thatvthe world is unfair, and that many people are doomed to loneliness. More comfortable to buy into the lie that it's all about personality, that there's someone for everyone, and that lonely people deserve to be lonely.
When I was 19 I had it on easy mode, all the women fancied me in college and even the older women, but unfortunately I took advice from a religious friend to ignore all there advances (even tho he still tried). Now aged 32 I get nowhere near the same attention and quality, I regret listening to my friend. Don't know if you guys know what happened?
Your environment appearance and personality probably changed. As well as the people you hang around. Nothing is the same as when you were 19, give us more info if you want a better answer.
It's not gonna get better.
I used to get more attention from girls in my teen years as well but that’s because I had a certain look and was around much more of them than I am now . At age 32 as a guy you should still get a decent amount of female attention IF you work out and are somewhat confident. Granted they probably won’t approach you but they will give you choosing signals . Have a dog? If do, take it to a dog park and there will be women there more than willing to chat - your dog is a great ice breaker
Honestly my problem isn’t attracting women but more the actual relationship part. One night stands don’t interest me these days and I find serious relationships to be rather confusing especially now that I am looking through more of a red pill lens
Finances and status matters much more the older and older you get. You're expected to have your own property, a decent car, and have seniority that your job
I'm the opposite. I looked goofy af until my mid 20's. Now in my late 20's and it's only gotten better.
This didn't age well for Destiny 🤣
Destiny is clueless about dating.
Saying that options for women were the same or similar historically is the dumbest thing.
Online dating changed the scale of the options to whole another dimension.
That blue haired feminist shitstain doesn't care about men suffering, only wahmen. But he'll deny that to infinity.
Most content creators... that react to modern dating standards... know nothing...or are out of touch
Back then being "Chad Only" was impossible because Chads are always rare. Today with the internet it's literally what all women are doing. Sharing Chad
Well in order to be a leftist, you have to be irrational and illogical, so no surprise
What women say even in surveys is very different than what they do.
Yessss! It can't get much better than seeing two people that I like and listen to regularly go at it with each other. Good stuff.
Todd looks like Wheat Waffles father. 34:15 If Emily was younger, her sentiment would be alot different. Considering she has a child and is much older, shes obviously looking for status/personality etc > looks.
Exactly….
I disagree, Idk her age but she totally wants men who are good looking. They always do. Of course she's going for status too.
Exactly she’s a single mom if she was younger in this time she would say looks money and status all three but mostly looks if she didn’t she’s just virtue signaling like other girls or trying to settle down for a man she can use
@@anderson-gb8rpyeah they say that but magically when they get a guy he is 6ft decent face and full head hair just look at their actions and even if the guy wasn’t that she is just using him for money status
Y’all needed a young person on this panel. Nobody that’s under 25 thinks in the way that Destiny is describing. Gen Z is superficial AF. These old heads really think ppl are out here dating for the sentimental value 😭😭
Millenials were superficial af too though. Look at the people in their 30s who are still struggling.
@@porkerpete7722 i know women in their 50-60s struggling
Literally I honestly don’t think anyone past millienials should be able to talk about this only young people seeing the trends in their face how brutal it is
Destiny sure does say "he feels like" alot when talking about these topics almost as if he can't back up his points with any real evidence
At least he is someone not on the far right talking about the lonely single male issue but everything he has to say is a joke. He did a podcast recently where he was asked who has it harder, men or women? And he went on to talk about rich beautiful women in entertainment having it hard
@@minabotieso6944 i think u didnt understand correctly, in that podcast they were talking that a hot successful woman dont know for sure if she is succesful because shes hot or bc she worked hard for it not that they have it harder between man or woman
At least that sounds like recognition of some level of ignorance.
@@TiotiopJ I understood it and it’s a very dumb point. Talking about who has it worse and immediately going to rich beautiful people is dumb enough. The sidekick cohost women explained to him how a women would actually think through that circumstance and he had nothing to say. A woman would know if she is only being treated good for her looks.
Waffles started a 10 min interview of Destiny when prompted to introduce himself and ended up not introducing himself.
LMAO, This is the oart im on and was thinking it right before i read your comment
Women WERE not getting offered sex HALF as much before the internet as compared to now.
Women dated locally traditionally. They can reach out everywhere now. You are just wrong there.
@@lgibs666 o if they got big money o are very attractive
They CAN but the majority do not. 99% of women find their boyfriends relatively locally
@@whoknowsbb5705 full websites and facebook seemingly open up the world to women.
@@whoknowsbb5705 Also...it gives them a false impression of their worth for relationships.
@@toddjohnson271 what percentage of women from Virginia do you think are dating some guy from another state or country who messaged them on Facebook?
It’s less than 1%
I can't take a guy with blue hair seriously.
The issue in these discussions is we don’t necessarily agree on what’s a top 1% vs 10 vs 30 vs 50+ woman or man look like. Playing with Fire put up a girl he says is his 9/10 on Tinder and she got 1000 likes in 24 hours. I saw a video from Jacked and Stacked where his experiment got a girl with over 10k in 2 days meaning at least 5000 in 1 day. 5x the results. Personally I think the girl who got 5x the results is much more attractive. This applies to men as well
If you map things out into statistically niche characteristics it’ll be impossible to argue against the best looking women almost always being with either chads or millionaires
@@kimilsungthefirst6840 No this is very important. When you have average guys scoring 6s occasionally then telling you you can get 8s because they think the 6s are 8-9 it’s bullshit. And while we call certain guys average in reality if you’re not overweight and not overly skinny with no significant flaws as a male you’re better looking than 80-70% of guys. Most people aren’t that attractive, a 6/10 male or female is better looking than 80-90% of people. And with the example I gave no I wouldn’t give that first girl a 7 that’s the point. She’s only attractive relative to the rest of the population. Her face is slightly above average, breast are disproportionate to the rest of her body and it doesn’t look like she’s fit so they’re gonna be saggy at that size, no legs no ass
From a certain pov none of this debating even really matters. We can just try our best and to get results and if we don’t get the results it means we’re correct. I’m down to entertain every cope in the book exhausting every option but the outcome is obvious 99.99% of the time
@@kimilsungthefirst6840 I’m not confused haha. I do have an objective system that’s the point of why I brought this up. It’s shocking that this doesn’t come up more often given how it can make or break your argument. There can’t be an objective scale that everyone agrees but if most people agree then it matters like the profound example I gave. It would be one thing if it was a 2x increase but a minimum of 5x is so big that there’s no damage control. Which is important because someone could say they prefer a woman who is technically niche but that most consider unattractive like a severely obese person. You must also factor in negative characteristics cancelling out positive ones
The hardest thing to make objective is facial features but I like to describe it as symmetrical and feminine. This usually involves but isn’t exclusive to European centric features. I’ll give examples of women who qualify as at least a 7 by these standards. Olivia Casta and Marina Mui for the young girl looks, Ane Cheri and Amouranth for the older “mature” woman type. Magga Braco and Mom Vikki (look up on Twitter) other random example. If you search you are desperate on YT you’ll see a vid of a blonde girl I personally think is a legit 10. Black women can be attractive but I don’t have any examples but you can picture it since there’s no meaningful difference between black women with slightly more European features vs mixed women and Latin Americans
For men you can be attractive whether you’re hypermasculine looking, feminine, or a balance. We know what pretty boys and chads look like so I won’t waste time trying to get examples but I will give examples of guys who vary between normie and chad/tyrone lite. The guy I mentioned before Jacked and Stacked is an example of a 7/10 black man. Some might say he’s an 8, some a 6, few lower than 6. Jesse James West I’d say 6, again some would say 5 others 7. I used him for a Tinder experiment and broke 100 likes in under 12 hours. Will Tennyson 5, I used him as well and while his results where great they where about half of Jesse’s. Destiny when he’s well groomed I say is a 6 which is why it’s cringe when he tells people getting 15 likes on Tinder for an all around average guy is doable not comprehending he’s above average. You can debate on 5.5, 6.5 etc I’m just sticking to even numbers. Your overall score would be gauged by face, height, body for men and for women mostly just face and body. Unless you’re extremely short height doesn’t matter that much for women
@richard cranium That’s a highly flawed rating system. The point of a rating is to describe how close they are to your idea of perfection. With that system we could have a world of 10s who would be labeled 5s, terrible logic that doesn’t reflect our perception of them. I don’t know if I agree with there being more attractive women than men. You put that in quotes so maybe you meant to say women are considered more attractive on average which I agree because it’s an observation fact hence why we get caught up in this discussion and have to differ between who actually is 8+ vs who isn’t
Almost forgot to add this. I can say it’s a fact that women I desire are almost always (and by that I mean 99.99% of the time) either with guys I consider 7+ or rich men. And usually when I do see an outlier (always through media haven’t seen it in person yet) it’s usually that the guy or girl got better or worse looking from when the relationship initially started. If you’re worldview is correct then explain how could this be the case for me? I should be seeing women I desire with normie men who aren’t rich on a relatively regular basis
Tough arguing with the truth
What I've learned from a lonely life:
1) No point focusing on the specific details of what women want. Not only is it somewhat subjective, and not only does it vary age to age (a 20 year old looks for different things than a 40 year old), but it's so complex and vast as to be best summed up by a single word 'everything.' They want height, looks, wealth, confidence, status, humour, etc etc. More is more. The more good qualities you possess the better. People who say, 'just be confident, bro' or 'just shower' or some other reductive trite statement are stupid.
2) No point focusing on what women say they want, what men tell you they want, what you think they want, or face analysis or anything else. There's only 1 true test: how women behave towards you. Do they smile at you, touch you, flirt with you, and go on dates with you? Yes, you're attractive. No, you're unattractive. Easy and accurate.
3) Women will settle for a man with some weak traits (bit short, low income, nervous or shy, etc) so long as they are compensated for by a highly positive trait, well above average (great confidence can balance out a slightly below average face; great wealth can compensate for being only 5'7; being tall can mitigate against a degree of fat; being handsome will make being poor ok; etc etc). The problem is that what is allowed to compensate for what varies woman to woman, and even with the same woman month to month, so that it appears almost random. Some women will settle for a tall but fat man, some won't. Some will settle for a broke but confident man, some won't. And you can never predict.
4) Although it's virtually impossible to predict, then, what will make you attractive to women, it is possible to assess what will make you unattractive. There are two main things: having weaknesses without any compensating positives (so if you're average looks, average income, average social skills, below average height, bit fat, lacking confidence- everything is average or below); or, worse, having an extreme negative (really fat, really short, really ugly, really bad hygiene, homeless, zero social skills, etc). These are hard barriers to dating that will make it very, very hard for you.
5) Dating relies on the Matthew effect, same as economics. If you have, more will be given. If you don't have, even that will be taken from you. If you get early dating success, then you'll get confidence, which will lead to more success, which leads to better social skills and game etc. But if you get early rejections, you'll lose confidence, then get rejected more, become depressed, isolated, mentally ill, fall behind in social development and it'll just keep getting worse. Sometimes the entire difference between a great life and a miserable life can be traced back to being first rejected by a girl when 14 years old.
6) There are no easy fixes. Everythingnis hard, or virtually impossible. Want to change your height? Good luck with that. Want to get a ripped body? Possible, but very hard. Want to get confidence? You can only do that from success, and success requires confidence. Wicked problem. Anyone selling an easy answer, whether looksmaxxing or PUA game, is scamming you.
7) Going without your normal, natural, basic psychological needs for validation, touch, sex, friendship, procreation, intimacy, etc unfulfilled is going to leave you with chronic emotional loneliness, depression, body dysmorphia, bitterness, anger, and mental illness. Those who say that you don't need women, just focus on yourself, you're better off alone, etc, are foolng themselves, and lying to you. Sooner or later the loneliness will drive you mad.
8) Blaming women, biology, society, politics, feminism, etc is a waste of time. Not only is it all far more complex that such a simple statement allows, but there's nothing you can do to change anything, and your ideology will only make you more bitter and less attractive and your life will just get worse. Accept its all mostly just luck. I mean, you probably don't even have freewill let one any power to do anything about anything.
9) No matter how many positive traits you have, how put together you are, there will always be loads of other men who outcompete you. There will always be someone taller, more handsome, more charismatic, etc than you. And there will always be someone who is at the right time and place having a better day than you. Women will always have better options than you somewhere at sometime.
10) No matter how awesome you are, women will always be able to outperform you in dating. A really high quality man will still not be able to get dates and sex as easily as an average woman. Their ability to date and their body count ca, if they want, always be higher and better than yours. And that will likely make you jealous, bitter, and resentful at how unfair it all is. Such is life.
Amazing insights and we thank you for this comment!
I love the Matthew effect point you make.
In 2023 probably 40 percent of women cheat so you are kind of lucky
Women don’t like men for money status they use them getting women with money status is basically longterm prostitution and personality doesn’t matter either it only matters who it’s coming from being confident charismatic game all that stuff is bs other than that I agree with you and also yes life is luck to some degree yet the guys who succeed and fail where already destined by their genes creating the Matthew effect loop
Quick point: You said not having confidence will make it worse, but what actually creates confidence? NOTHING. You can just loose it on day basis. The negative feedback loop is just society seeing how you look, your status and smell and your actions - that, let's be honest, you need to be rather mentality ill since always to get negative feedback SOLENY on the way you act to the point you fail in life and get no life experiences. So, after all, it's likely looks are the n.1 cause.
Waffles keeps coming up with data and statistics and blue hair guy and Emily keep coming up with anecdotes.
This was hilarious. Wheat was on reality level of what "IS" going on. Destiny was about theoretically could be. Todd had a HOT Farah Fawcett/Ryan O'Neal relationship. Fun stuff....pt 2 please 😄
Thats just nonsense. Waffle operated on what is going on on the internet when Destiny operated on reality outside the internet
@@taot5655
But dating apps are the best option women could use because they can reach people they couldn't have met otherwise, it's safer to weed out creeps through a screen than getting approached them on the street or in the club and online dating is how more than 50% of the relationships formed BEFORE COVID.
Most of dating is on the internet, and it's a way better alternative for women so if you wanna date women you have to know those facts
@@taot5655 bingo, if you don't go outside and see for yourself, you'll believe anything.
@@taot5655 in the past id agree with you but it’s seems like currently reality has become the internet
Imagine destiny without his fame. HOPELESS
He would be inkwell without fame aka status
that applies to almost every influencer, ryt?
@@mikyas392 they live in delusion. Destiny wouldn’t get a match to save his life if he didn’t use fame
Destiny is actually pretty social. He's a great communicator, he's funny, and he's really talented. If he wasn't famous, I'd be surprised if he wasn't still having a lot of sex with different people.
@@mikyas392 not tate. Not fitness dudes like Bradley Martin either
If you combine all the pills like thanos your unstoppable each pill have a weakness that would stop one from reaching ultra instinct
If you combine all pills youll go shoot up a school or smth
@@lucasinator lol nah having nothing to believe in leads to hopelessness
thanos and ultra instinct hmm.
I do not understand the argument that "men can't get women because they are not relationship material"
If your problem is that you can't get a one night stand then going for relationships isn't going to help you because you basically ask more from the other person when you ask for a relationship
And even if you are "relationship material" in every other department beside looks the looks requirement doesn't just disappear.
People are not going to get into a relationship with you if they are not attracted to you unless they want something from you
Disagree. Maybe from the male perspective but not the female. To women, offering a girl commitment and resources etc is a much bigger reward than a guy who just wants to smash and dash. She gets more out of the first option. In many ways it is harder for men to get into one night stands than relationships, which is why most people have been in relationships while most people have never had a one night stand.
At the end of the day one night stands are more about looks and quick attraction, while at least with relationships you can have time to build that connection/attraction and compensate in other areas which is how people who date "out of their league" usually come about
@@xjohntheone
Aren't people not attracted to you if you have to compensate for your looks with other things?
Also... doesn't the woman also have to commit? Like... is it really more beneficial to them to date a guy instead of just having a one night stand?
When a guy asks a woman out doesn't it run through her mind if she wants to be in a relationship or not, doesn't she ask herself what she wants from a relationship and what the man has to offer?
Doesn't she think about how that affects her status, what her friends or relatives would say or would she like to be seen with him in public?
Also, you wouldn't tell a guy friend who is struggling with dating to "Just ask them to marry you. Women find commitment endearing"
Might be true for some people but not all. Most people I know will even date someone if they’re not exactly their type because as long you really like something about them, over time you often find you become more attracted to a person as you get to know them. There’s something kind of beautiful about the process.
Getting a hook up is much easier than most people think. I think dating apps make it harder than it actually is. You don't need to always look good to get it. You just need to be in the right place at the right time.
nah, one night stands are super, superficial
I am as red pill as you can get, and I love out debating blue pill people.
I run away from black pill guys, because they make me feel stupid and hopeless , I can't refute their stats or logic.
The refutation is simple, humans do illogical shit all the time
So I’m other words Black Pill people outclass you the same way that you outclass Blue Pill People
There are flaws in their arguments. It is just really detailed stuff to get in to. They are broadly in the right direction.
it might relieve you then to notice the blackpill guy was made to look like an absolute child among adults here
Dude it's all what you'd call implication in philosophy and logic. Which means that all statments have to be true or one has to be false. It's illogical, non deductive. Literally ass backwards.
And they're massively unnuanced and leave enough room for you to feel like shit.
I'm all for the red pill, at least the way Hamza Ahmed speaks of it. Just self improveme for you, not girls and you'll reap the benefits later.
Get good or get lost.
Question. If we banned all dating apps would the dating situation become better for single men?
I think so
I think people would understand their situation better, but they wouldn't necessarily have better access to good dates. If you can walk into a room and see "Oh, there's me and twenty other guys, and three women" then your expectations for the night are calibrated better than an app pretending that the ratio is equal.
Maybe... But that's because without dating apps people wouldn't know their true attractiveness and value
Dating apps are basically the open market where your value is determined by the demand for you. The demand for the top men won't go away because you shut down the open market
Yes, but I don't condone bans.......adjust family courts and law would also help. But women do not want that change.
Yes
Honestly, the most dangerous thing about the black-pill is the dysmorphia that comes with it. It's the male version of unrealistics beauty standards on IG for women.
Imagine feeling insecure, then being flooded with content that talks about how your face isn't attractive from a mathematical level. How important all these traits are that you don't have, that you can't change.
Oh no, your chin is slightly recessed when compared to the optimum aesthetic value, time to get double jaw surgery. Welp, your short, and you can't change that - you also can't change your cheek bone height or brow ridge. Your hairline is receeding but you can't afford a transplant. All of the sudden, you're 10 times more self-conscious that when you started. You have lower confidence, are extra shy, and your dating issues are exacerbated. The cycle is vicious.
I've seen dudes get absolutely swallowed by this type of obsession. I don't think Wheat Waffles and other creators in this circle know the damage they cause, even if their goal is noble.
Except it's not unrealistic beauty standards. The dating market for men is just that competitive. Especially now that guys above your looks sleep and get into relationships with girls bellow their looks level all the time so that they can feel more admired in the relationship. And that drives up the demand for good looking men because girls can easily get the best guy
@@sajtospog9888 they are unrealistic because in real life, most people will end up settling for someone around their looks level anyway. Sure their ideal might be a 10/10 model, but it's not every day you find one of those much less one who wants to actually settle down with you. In the end most women will end up with average men and vice versa.
@@xjohntheone
Yes but the thing is... those average men will be happy in those relationships because they had no one in their life before. So they'll fall into the arm of the 1st girl who shows them any interest.
However the women won't be happy in the long run because she had way better before, "Why did this happen to me? I don't deserve this". She'll think "I'll just have to tolerate this ugly freak having sex with me a few times". And even if the relationship starts on good terms she's bound to feel that way once the guy gets a bit older, fatter and uglier
Guys in those relationships are always oblivious that the relationship is not working because they are actually happy in it. And that makes them delusional. Then they'll end up in dead bedrooms or divorced
@@xjohntheone If your actually in real life you realize the only people who settle are losers who don't have a out or any other option literally a desperate struggle lmao. Bro I get your trying be positive and I don't blame you but bro the average guys existence especially these days is pathetic and only getting worse if you could potentially have a out from that type of quiet struggle why wouldn't you take it?
Watch Tinder experiments of Chad's saying the worse things imaginable and still getting girl's numbers. When a woman rejects you it's because of your LOOKS not your personality
I don't even like Wheat Waffles but at least he is trying to open Destiny's mind, because his subjective logic sometimes is really annoying
Dating apps were probably a great idea at first but it evolved into something else.
They all made great points here that people should take note of.
destiny is so clueless about dating lmao
How so?
Example?
His sample size is definitely greater than yours
Destiny is Bisexual in a open marriage, of course he's cluesless about dating!
he only listens to women and disregards men. he prefaces every argument with “women i spoke to have told me this.” what about the thousands of men you speak to, Destiny? it’s so odd
Damn man, Todd looks really good for early 50s... Good for him
That dude looks great for 50’s
Love how two normal people agreed with the black piller over Destiny. I don’t think Destiny realizes how much if his success with women is solely attributes to the fact that he is e-famous and is pretty well-off. Women will date a turtle who has clout and a ton of money lol. So he’s kinda far-removed from knowing exactly what is like today.
If you’re not a 9 or 10, above 6ft, with a $70k+ a year job minimum, and White or White-Hispanic, you’re kinda non-existent to women.
All i can do is point you at all the ugly, short, poor, not white people I know with girlfriends. I do not know how it is done, but if this were true all of these guys would be single.
@@nicholascarter9158 You think I don't know that those guys get women? The thing is, those guys get settled for, or they settle for women who are far beneath their league.
@@AntarixOfficial You know what I'm talking about then. The blackpill did the same for me. I still lament the death of me lineage, but honestly, the way the West has gone, it's on it's death bed as well, in fact, it's already been dealt the death blow.
@@ryanbailey8588 theres alot of us in the same boat too which unfortunately sucks but i dont make the rules. all the best with what we have to all of you guys out here struggling.
This is cap 🤣 I'm 5'10, Black and work at a gas station right now and I still get women(I have a GF now but women still try to give me their numbers on the daily). I am like a 6.5-7/10 face wise and I have a naturally masculine body(broad shoulders and full beard) but I work at a GAS STATION......and my girlfriend is white
No need to explain your political leanings when you have blue hair
He's actually not as crazy a leftie as you'd think by his hair
The pair bonding argument works both ways.
@richard cranium the chemicals released during sex argument doesn’t prove anything about pairbonding. You would need research that is the same as the one mentioned with the women and numbers of partners vs indefinitely but using men instead. I think men also lose their ability to pair bond.
@richard cranium I mean I am not sure if lots of sex would affect a man’s ability to pair bond but maybe lots of relationships would? Whereas lots of sex could affect a woman’s ability to pair bond as evolution is strong in that we would most likely end up invested in who we have sex with due to a potential pregnancy
I'm sorry while women will release mostly oxytocin men will mostly release a hormone called ascertain. Making how men and women bond different
@@Alisha0413to clarify, mens ability to pair bond (for lack of better terminology) absolutely can be impaired. It’s just that, on average, it takes more to do the same level of damage to a man psychologically.
But even a man can feel sexually disposable, given enough partners yes
@@lordofgingers hey Pete! 😊 my comment was in regards to someone saying that there is science saying that men aren’t affected by multiple sex partners. I don’t there is much science out there done on pairbonding and men. I think I agree with you though and the man who made the original comments was discussing the different chemicals involved.
Meeting people at work these days Destiny..... These days .. c'mon...
Dang dude, I think relationships are hopeless and the best thing to do is completely give up on that shit and just try to get enough money to survive and find some joy for yourself.
Load up on Copium and do your best.
your pfp matches the comment eerily
i promise you its not that bad.
@@wispy893 his pfp is asmongold
@@mrdouche9172 you are a literal genius, do you know that
@@aidanrock8719 I am the next step in human evolution, you can call me the first homo gigasapiens
@@mrdouche9172 exactly
I don’t get the waffle’s explanation of what distinguishes black and red pill
Tidbit you can make semi drastic changes to your facial structure and chin location
I hear a squeaking sound throughout the video and its literally driving me insane
somebody's squeaky nostrils LOL god now that u bring it up i can't unhear it!
"Most men can be a 6 or 7..."
The average guy is rated 2.5 the top 20% starts at 4.3. A guy who is a 5 is top 15% a guy rated 5.7 is top 8%.
He has no clue. What is interesting is how women recognise this reality more quickly than men like destiny. All you have to do is show how those figures will translate in to explaining their experience and suddenly they see how it all makes sense.
Destiny still projects a man's perception of women on to women's perception of men because he is dumb enough to believe in some combination of blank slate or fixed identical mental processes.
Are you blacked pilled or just really young
@ john gress
Neither, but I can see you don't know much about this stuff. You don't understand the Black Pill, which regards looks as being aosta entirely accountable for women's attraction and regards looks as being mainly genetic.
The figures I used are based upon women's revealed preferences before OLD took off. Modern numbers make it look far worse, but that data is corrupted by adaptive behaviour.
It is certainly not "black pilled" to state men's looks are significantly less useful to the vast majority of them so other factors obviously do significant compensation for that. Infact that is a position most blackpillers would baulk at.
@@SA-vz7qi you literally have the same view as most black pillers till you just added about social skills and other characteristics.
And saying the average man is 2.5 makes zero sense when average is looked at like 7 (which also makes no sense but socially it’s what it is)
@ john gress
You obviously don't listen to the black pillers very carefully. WW often sets out the key feature of Black Pill is the belief that looks are almost all of attraction and the vast majority of that is genetic.
That is the key distinguishing feature of their ideas.
As for your complaints about how women access men's attractiveness, your dislike of the data is irellevant.
As a life hack I suggest you need to brush up on your stats you should have been taught around the age of 12. Your mi d shouldn't boggle at the concept of a distribution that is not a normal one.
Imagine dedicating this much time to the color of a metaphorical pill
I mean it goes so much deeper. What you achieve in life is strongly correlated to the pill you follow.
@@AlexPeaceOfficial spoken like a true loser 😂
The pills are just symbols for concepts and ideologies. Like flags symbolize countries.
Well tbh a lot of people really have a warped definition of the term ‘red pill’.. like Waffles said, the red pill encompasses a very large area and there are many sectors .. that said, this part of the debate or discussion seemed to be stuck in mud at times . I hope part two flows a little better ..
The pill is just a metaphoric symbol for the sake of meaning.
Honestly whenever the term "sexual market value" is used i almost always assume i get laid more than them. Ive doubled the average amount of sexual partners but a 5'7" working class poor stiff with smallpeen. I work blue collar work. I wear basketball shorts all day every day. I feel like getting laid just isnt nearly as hard as people pretend. And my face is up on my channel. Im not super attractive. Im pretty average
I feel like most Black/Red pill people have a subconcious preconception that the girl they are hitting on will reject them.
I think attraction matters a lot, but I think confidence and competence can increase your «attraction level» drastically.
I’m also a 5’7 average looking dude, and I’ve personally seen a big difference in my «game» when I’m feeling confident vs when I’m down on my self
@@Ellefsen97 like yeah theres always a range that is generally available to you and they may not be 8 or 9s out of 10. But its wwwwwwwaaaaaaaayyyy easier to pick up a woman and get into a relationship than these people pretend. And the deep red pillers basically talk about women that almost exclusively feels like "rich people problems." Like fresh and fit. None of them talk about women and relationships that look anything like lower middle class life and relationships. Its bizaare
@@unclebobboomergames I agree. I will never pull a insta model with 2M followers or a super model, but I’m totally okay with that lol.
Regarding F&F and red pillers that think money and status is everything in dating. When you use money and status to pull, you will only pull girls that prioritise exactly that. So in their experience every girl only cares about their money
But for normal people it’s all about connection, chemistry and how you make the girl feel. Ofc appearance matters, but if you take care of yourself and develop your confidence, your looks won’t hold you back too much
@@unclebobboomergames how do you pull the women you have sex with ?
@@malimal4972 by talking and flirting. Being intelligent. Knowing how to ask another person about themselves. And if the real question is how do you do that, the answer is practice.
The key is that if youre socially aware enough, you know when someone is talking to you and theyre not being upfront. If a dude has money (i do not but have heard this) they can tell when a woman is just in it for their money or status. The question is how much do you allow it. We can all feel out that vibe. So if youre a dude, the woman can tell if youre talking to her leading with your dck she can tell. Women know when dudes are tryna fk and thats it. So dont do that. Practice. Practice. Practice. Learning how to be comfortable striking up convos is the absolute key. It helps you weed out those not worth your time as a bonus
It's refreshing to see a calm debate where every person has some points and reasons for why they think that way. But also a little boring because of it lol
How did emily and todd come together for this show? just curious
I am friends with WW and I thought him and Destiny should discuss dating topics
@@theemilyandtoddpodcast sorry I meant the two of you - Emily and Todd. Are you family?
I wouldn't fully agree with WheatWaffles although I am a strong supporter of him. I don't think looks is everything. It definitely does matter a LOT. But like the bluepill guy was saying. You see all the time very average guys with good looking women because usually they bring something else to the table. So yeah they're still on the top, but not necessarily always in the looks department.
Men don't have the option to be hypergamous. Destiny you are naive man.
@@3jesus3christ3the action of marrying or forming a sexual relationship with a person of a superior sociological or educational background.
Here's the definition
So no, you're the naive one. Words have meaning for a reason, that reason is so that we can communicate concepts between each other in order to have the understanding required for cooperation. This whole "Words are made up therefore they can mean anything without utility and/or concensus, so let's change how they are colloquially used" postmodern sophistry is damaging and shows blatant arrogance. Just because a concept is a social construct and was made through a limited arbitrary mechanism. Doesn't therefore mean people should arbitrarily make up new definitions just because the current one isn't serving you right now. Law is arbitrary, should it therefore not exist? As if we choose to arbitrate complex concepts like a man choosing between a burrito or a sandwich.
Psycholingustics and studys on linguistics to our neurology show that the constant redefining of words worsens alzheimer symptoms and are an indicator of schizophrenic susceptibility.
Postmodernist ideology should have been mocked heavily like it deserves to be, since through its own doctrine, it's too stupid to realize that because it has no truth, it has lost the ability to make any claim or retort any. "2+2=4" "no because math was arbitrarily made by a human and not "truth " because there is no truth, It could be 5 therefore you're wrong"
Men r so polygamous, they can have atleast 20 kids in their life , like let's say someone is making 100 k in 30s but 350k in 50s then they can attract 20 yr olds at 50 and have babies
Can't say I've ever been in a relationship with someone doing worse than me.
@@Traumatised311 how naive - this doesn’t happen where as the opposite happens constantly
Insane Combo. Wheaty on Destiny
Destiny: "Men have to provide more than a pay check"
OK, but what is it women provide that is unique? All the things you would hear listed would also be things men provide.
The man providing a paycheque was when women took care of all domestic basics. If those are shared then there is no issue of men not providing the paychecks.
It is a weird materialist analysis that assumes relationships of men put money in and women put sex in. This would be horrifying if this was stated explicitly.
I question Destiny's family background. My dad used to come back and discuss emotional stuff with my mum all the time. When he was really ill that was what she found missing the most. I remember parents having these discussions all the time years back I'm not sure what Destiny's family did but it sounds weirdly unnatural.
I always hated this "mEn HaVe NoThINg To BrInG tO tHe TaBLe"-BS. Why are people sayting that? What are women bringing to the table? Their pussy? Sick, but that doesn't count since both are bringing their genitals to the table. Men are almost always the providers because women WANT that. If anything, we should ask what women are brining to the table, so their at home and taking care of the kids but this is something men can do to BUT this is not socially accepted. Stay at home dads are seen as lazy and bums and what not. The western world is such a degenerate clown world.
watching Destiny geting out-autiscted is weirdly fun. 😅
The savagegeese shirt is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Reality setting in Destinys head and he cant take it because he is a 4/10.
Destiny is a 6 when he’s well groomed idk what you’re on. He said he gets 15 likes on Tinder without mentioning who he is proving my assessment
@@KurokamiNajimi he's not a 6 at all he's a literal goblin
@@Wavyso Keep coping lmao
@@KurokamiNajimi bro your projecting. destiny is short with narrow shoulders and a high pitched voice and has a beer belly and wears s beard to hide his lack of jawline. A 6/10 implies above average he's underaverage in almost every way. Even though the average guy is ugly as shit destiny is even under that
He's jealous of Hasan for a reason
Who edited this??? Why cut to an icon of waffles when he's talking. Just leave it on one of 2 scenes of the people. Showing so many minutes of an icon is stupid and pointless.
Re-uploaded this?
pretty sure, either that or these two repeat themselves a lot haha
These types of discussion seems kind of pointless: "do you think two identical 8/10 men with different social skills would....".etc. etc. What does it matter what Destiny or someone thinks or imagines about this. you have to investigate these things in 'the field', in a controlled environment or something . and then you'd find out that the #blackpill is truefax.
45:52 he said something incorrect; he said a 22 year old women wil have along list but by the time the women is in her 30s she just wants a nice guy; thats wrong, I suggest this man go what a bunch of kevin samules videos, u will see women in they 30s, 40s, and 50s with multiple kids still looking for the same traits that they was looking for in they 20s. so female delusion an entitlement does not end when a women hits 30, they are still just as demanding bcause they feel their value is the same even tho they older and with multiple kids.
Todd I want to see you be more disagreeable and put Emily on the spot. You are being wayyy to passive dude.
Put her on the spot about what exactly? Anyone who knows me and has watched our content knows that I am honest and speak my mind.
@@theemilyandtoddpodcast women are known to give "politically correct" answers. You need to be able to spot that and question her. Also just in general you seem very agreeable with her.
Of course he's english
Over for englishcels
This was a awkward podcast lol awkward silence here n there
Hmm not gonna lie, this sjw destiny guy makes some pretty compelling points
Todd Skilled trades people make a lot of money. And will only be making alot more. Because young people are not going into trades
I'm sorry but did this psychotherapist actually use the words "pair bonding" and "the wall"?????
Pair bonding is a well known phenomenon. It’s common sense
@@themarathoncontinues4211 i know what pair bonding is, but it usually refers more to other animals eg birds, snd not so much humans in romantic relationships. He's basically using red pill talking points.
@@cjojay the idea that sleeping around increases her likelihood of marital dissatisfaction + cheating on you still stands. His broader point is correct, I wouldn’t get hung up on the phrase - because the concept 100% applies to humans.
i love how calm and carefull the black pillers are when talking to destiny
Are you saying theyre hiding their true beliefs from him?
This is how wheat waffles always is
It’s easy to be calm when you know you’re right
Everything from WW sounded like he always does, including the flaws that Destiny couldn't see
While I agree with wheat waffles 99% of the time, he himself is absoulte better off then literally the vast majority of Incels, he's decent looking, tall ect. Idk why he even got into all this, I wish I could be clueless, bluepilled and just walk away from the blackpill but it doesnt work like that. He can walk away, I can't.
The longer this goes on I'm wondering if Destiny has ever interacted with humans.
"Women don't tell me they think this..."
Most humans don't understand most of their choices are not rational. Even fewer admit to that fact.
Seriously, how do you become an adult and not know this?
Either pill can work depends on your personal deficiency destiny advice is for guys 4 to 6 an wheat info is universal for 1 to 10
I think Destiny is clueless on this topic, has he even been on the dating market recently?
He's married but fucks girls on the side because he's in an open marriage so yea, he's still in the dating market.
Bro has a smoking hot wife in an open relationship, dude pulls like crazy, and did even before he was big (obv less though)
@@4evahodlingdoge226 that makes sense. Maybe his view is biased bcs he's famous and rich. Idk, not trying to hate on the guy, but the other 3 seem a lot more realistic
I think he’s spot on. What do you disagree with?
@@joyboy-zx Yeah I reckon being blue pilled is a phenomina for very high status or 'chad-like' men. Normally red pilled men have started off as either average or below average but through self-improvement they have become above average. Then the 'black pilled' people are average or below-average, but they either have strong genetic drawbacks, or they simply haven't invested enough time into self-improvement.
More please
that host guy looks fantastic for being inhis 50's
True I like that fact they had an older guy up there to give his perspective
Oh can't wait to see this
EDIT:
Yep, Destiny has no idea what he's talking about.
You mean: destiny's experience doesn't match mine, which means he's completely wrong.
Did you ever consider that your world-view isn't the norm?
There’s definitely a middle ground between these beta and alpha ideologies
I'm not an Alpha or a beta cuck, I am a BALPHA GIGACHAD
It's not nice to call Wheat Waffles a beta
@@romnesia7729 I’m not calling him a beta.
Augustus meant Destiny, since it's a woman's name.
Clearly Destiny is the BETA, AMAZIN!
I'm not sure who you think the Beta is but her name is definitely not Destiny.
Destiny is so out of touch he got absolutely destroyed here.
Destintys being to disingenuous im out
blue waffle and black manifest destiny
There’s a mice 🐁 in the podcast trying speak its opinion
Just heard about wheat waffles yesterday I think he’s paid a lot of money to tell people their ugly on a psychologal level
blackops2cel
And wheat waffles isn't even bad looking at all. He even has a gf. So it's even more messed up he's providing hopelessness for men
@@porkerpete7722 he’s providing reality over fantasy
@@porkerpete7722 he already made a video about this. how pathetic can u simps be?
Why do people focus on dating apps so much get off them if you dont wanna use them go meet women in person no one’s stopping you
Steven Bonnell II
Why did you split the podcast? It's annoying. First time I've come across something like this. Just upload the whole thing...
But i think you have to see the perception from an other perspective, if every girl gets bombarded with options, then it isnt a exclusive thing for one girl. Girls talk to other girls about their online experience. If every girl gets that experience and realizes every other girl (especially the whales) gets it too, then its nothing special for her ego.
I like wheat waffles and I like destiny
Wow destiny is clueless and a certified coper
Destiny at 8:22 became delusional.
He was using an absurd example to clearly make a point however it is true that most men that just workout consistently, practice good hygiene and wear clothes that fit them can be a 7 out of 10 as far as looks go. They just need to try, which is not delusional.
JFC. This whole Black pill red pill perspective to human relationships is exhausting AF. 😆 All these tiresome categories... lol It reminds me of social credit system thinking. Cringe
Yeah I’m honestly more confused now by what these terms mean than I was before lol
@23dilt98 Exactly and 80% of it is pseudoscience BS!
Is she the one that slide in front of the mirror n giving dating advices????
Just a reminder guys, Destiny has been approached by more women after dying his hair.
stop putting women on a pedestal guys they are just like you or me. you are enough. beauty is inside and out. everyone has the potential for beauty.!
If you tell someone who is struggling that "you are good enough" that literally goes against what the person just experienced
It'd only create more delusional and entitled people
However the blackpill is brutally honest
Cope
Definitely just go try to talk to all the girls you can but it’s obvious that women are not just like you and me. Society sees them differently and they see the world differently.
There’s a big growing issue with single lonely men for a reason
Women are aliens compared to men
It really suprised me how Wheatwaffles is actually quite attractive, i always thought blackpillers where either chronically depressed or straight up horrible looking, it's sad that the internet got an attractive young man thinking that he is not enough because of nitpicks in his face or height.
Its not the internet. Its women.
He’s technically above average. Even black pill raters have him at 5.5/9 (9 is max cause 10 doesn’t exist for BP) so him being .5 over average is above average and he’s still one of the biggest blackpilled on the internet
@@kenonerboy no it’s little boys on the internet like you lmao💀
In fairness, most of them are. If you're on their subs/forums you'll see very average looking blokes.
Mind you, you also see some attractive guys that have had their confidence smashed and have developed dysmorphia due to the group's obsession on looks - which is sad.
Wheat is a painfully average normie who doesn't know how to looksmaxx (he has a buzzcut, wears tight clothes, he is ginger, his eyebrows are barely visible, his mandible isn't visible and he is average height (5'10). He's a 5 at most right now. He could look way better but he doesn't know blackpill or the female gaze that well
He's just trying to scam blackpillers with face ratings
All of Destiny’s arguments about relationships come from his belief men and women are the exact same. He probably thinks this cuz he’s bisexual
As a woman I say that women are hypergamous when it comes to financials and status. Men are hypergamous when it comes to looks. Women in general don’t want to be the uglier one in the relationship and the opposite for men.
My boyfriend makes more than twice my income but I look more than twice better than him. People can’t believe I’m dating him until they learn that he’s a successful lawyer.
But not only that- he’s charming, funny, knows how to read a room, intelligent, etc.
I'm ready to see Destiny dismantle Wheat Waffles' bullshit.
Not going to happen times have changed we must either adapt o get left behind and we all know what happens to organisms that can’t adapt with the changes of time
Wheat Waffles is an L
Jeezuss why. are they making it sooo complicated ✨
At some point you can talk and analyze dating TOO MUCH. Go outside , meet people. I promise you it’s not as difficult as people make it seem
You think any of these people actually talk to average real human beings of the internet
Lol than why are so many men alone and single
If you want to have sex with women, you've got to look at it like two people connecting instead a lot of this robotic black pill shit. If you're talking about maximizing anything, you're probably thinking of this shit all wrong.
Don't think about trying to get "women," think about trying to get "Haley." Apply yourself and listen to what Haley has to say and try to understand her as a person while you're talking to her. Women are people, and they have diverse tastes and thoughts that defy a lot of general categorization. There isn't a magic bullet that lets you unlock women's psyche, you have to plant your feet on the ground and figure it out one person at a time.
The best you can do to get your foot in the door is the boring general advice like dressing ok and staying clean. The rest is going to have to come down to you trying to connect with Haley.
It's the same skill set you use to make friends, just applied in a different dimension. You've probably been honing that skill your entire life without realizing it.
Destiny is a true gentleman and genius. You can tell he gets laid 💯
He’s in an open relationship where his girlfriend Smashes other guys and he can’t, wake up
@@TheShowOff2I lol that's cap, he got a baddie and the Red Peel gurus marry washed up baby mommas LOL 💯
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How was that cap?
He’s openly said it himself.
He doesn’t have her if it’s an open relationship on her side only
Parody?
@@TheShowOff2I I think you made that up lol
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