I added on of those bottles to a load of concrete (i think it was a full 10 yards maybe 8) one time to bring up the air. It was standard dawn not platinum. It worked, brought the air up like 2.5% i think, don't remember. I have been back to that site a few times and the slab has gone through a few winters with no problem. I don't think it caused the finishers any problem or retarded it to a point that anyone noticed and it was poured in winter. The 28-day breaks were a little low? The weird thing is you could really smell it like doing dishes. I wouldn't have thought that the little bit of soap in that much concrete would have made a noticable smell.
I often think why aren’t we using Roman concrete that’s self repairs and uses quick lime. I mean that’s stuff is still doing its job 1500 to 2000 years + later and it’s better than using Portland cement. I doubt cement will last as long as Roman concrete.
People today don't think in 1500-2000 yr. terms for even Grand constructions, let alone commercially. I wonder about the cost difference. Are the Portland materials more availabe?
The size the agagate needs to be for roman it way large... They require that not all the lime is to be hydrated which makes me think it was under hydrated and super thick
@@brettscott7574 I don’t know to be honest. I know that the quick lime heals its self because there is still lumps of unused lime in the mixture which is how it self heals but the aggregate was volcanic stones. Still though an Amazing feat for ancient people. I’m sure its thickness varied depending on what they were doing.
@@ravenrock541 Then perhaps it’s time we switched to Roman concrete. As industry changes it will be more used. Portland cement is not as good as the Roman stuff. Why use an inferior product when a better version is now known.
i will jam a wet sponge with a bunch of dawn on top halfway into the tip hose and suck a five gallon bucket of water through the sponge to froth everything up it helps let the sponge go back a little bit slower and washouts are super easy
I ran a plant on and off. And drove a redi mix truck for a little over 7 years. Had my times with HOT mud. I had two, 2 liter bottles of mountain dew and two gallons of mid range in the box of the truck. I have never heard it said that soap kills the mud. That would have been something I would have liked to know. Broke down once, 9 yards cooked in the drum. PTO broke. Bad day.
@@freedumbofspeech1977 I’m not certain it would have much/any more of a degreasing effect than concrete itself already does. Interesting discussion point for sure though.
🤔🤔 interesting.... So you can add polymer to concrete to slow it down. I never thought of that. Makes me want to test out some material that is basically a hi tech polymer used in the ag fields. Maybe it would make a good product for the mud biz. 👍🤠
As someone who made and did QA for add mix......that is responsible and detrimental for the integrity of the concrete. Use proper air entrainment, retardant or excelerators.
@@rocketfamilykml2528 it’s on its way to the washout facility. The goal here was to destroy the concrete and keep that bay during travel to said facility.
@@eddroberts1681 Absolutely!!! I really do like how the dish soap keeps the mud from segregating in the hopper dirty travel. Makes for an easy-breezy washout.
"Hot Concrete": when concrete reaches a certain temperature (typically 25-ish degrees) it will begin to set in the lines within a very short time frame. The dish soap helps to counteract this and retards the set time. Normally concrete is at 15-17 degrees when "fresh".
@@mostlikelywedoitservices6926 We washout back at the ready mix plant where they put it through their reclaimer and separate it back into sand, aggregate, and slurry.
The surfactant will not care whether you premix or just squirt the stuff in . If you are going to use it , just dump it in. Sugar will slow the set time , and if you get the ideal % of sugar, it can actually make the concrete harder, stronger. The reason sugar is not normally used is too much? It will not set, you have a mess. If the concrete arrives too hot, open a can of coke or mountain dew, sugar not diet,, and pour it into the mix and spin it up a few rotations. Slows the set time. I could be wrong,, without running a calculation I am just remembering A 5 pound bag of sugar in the 10 yard truck and a squirt of water from the hose to wash it into the mix. Turns a hot load that had a 45 minute ride from the plant, 390 revolutions, into something you can get down and floated before you have problems
@@Sailor376also So awhile back I mixed a can of Coke into the hopper and had my buddy on QC take a 28 days break test on it. The results were precisely online with what you say here. ua-cam.com/video/swhGmf_3jAo/v-deo.htmlsi=dADBX1-xtVSAGc6w
@@littlehuey5679My guess is that in large enough quantities, it would permanently compromise strength. Hoping to follow up with a video in which we can test samples at the lab.
Hey Scott did the Dawn dish soap make any difference after you mix it in with the concrete did it make any difference as far as helping keeping the hopper clean or would that be another total different situation like spraying the canola oil on there
@@robertaustin-y7j I’m not so certain it would be of much benefit in terms of acting as a non-stick/protective coating on the inside of the hopper, but I did have a good chat with a 50 year pump operator (that’s right 50 years!!!) at last years World of Concrete convention in Las Vegas and he was mentioning a special mixture of Dawn dish soap and concrete dissolver which he applies to the exterior of the hopper before each pour. Apparently everything just pressure washes away at days end. I have yet to try it myself, but it is most certainly on my “list” 😁😁😁
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 did you see the results of what he was talking about at the world of concrete to have it be on your list of something to try and no skeptics behind it
@@robertaustin-y7j I couldn’t really say until I give it a go myself. I do feel there is at least some merit to it, especially considering the source (industry legend pump operator).
@@davidreynolds-g5b Based on what it do to the mud in my hopper, I’d be hard pressed to believe that it does not have permanent adverse affects to the strength of the concrete… or at least in high concentrations like what I used here in the video.
@@toddb8479 so with boom pumps, yes we are allowed, but line-pumps are forbidden to pump back onto the mixer. Story goes that years ago someone did something really stupid and as such ruined it for the rest of us (not at all uncommon in our industry).
I find that crazy I’ve used dish soap to add air to a hand made concrete. I poured a side walk with at my house and it got hard and there’s definitely no signs of it being crappy concrete !
Many many years ago (40+) in the UK, we used to add 'Marvin' wood glue (safe to eat, non toxic, used in schools for kids) to hand mixed cement - either hand/shovel mix, or mixer - and it made it much easier to work with. Slippery, one might say. Then I tried it about 12 years ago here in north america, using some other wood glue, and nope, it wouldn't blend! I guess it's more plastic now than it used to be.
I want to do a break test on this stuff, same as what we did when adding the Coca Cola to the hopper. My guess would be that similar to adding Coke/sugar, there is a certain threshold which once exceeded, the concrete becomes junk.
Hi, my name is Aurelio from panama, 1 question... the coca cola can make the same thing? The soap kill the concrete but here in Panamá we use the coca cola for the same thing
Enough Coca Cola most definitely works. Interestingly enough, in moderation, Coca Cola can actually increase the 28 day compressive strength of the concrete. Checkout this test we recently did: ua-cam.com/video/swhGmf_3jAo/v-deo.htmlsi=JOEhP1rQF1wUxbLM
As a concrete pump operator. don't ever do that. I have never done that. I'm not going to take the chance as long as it took for this video. Hoses would have been clean by a Sponge ball. off to the clean out.
@@erichiller4144 Respectfully disagree. I’ll gladly take 5 minutes to thoroughly cycle retarder through the hopper, material cylinders, and S-tube prior to travelling for a washout. Cheap insurance should there be any delays in travel, and also makes for a quicker/easier washout.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 And I 1000% agree. But what got me? You didn't use a ball to suck through. to the Hopper. Add a little bit of water while everything's in the Hopper. to keep it nice and juicy. not too juicy. That way you can do the wash out of the hoses. That will give you time for. the hopper. to get to where you need to go to wash out. I've just never used dish Soap. And remember you. get paid by the hour. not by the minute. And I know it makes a long day. I've tried to rush and have made mistakes. And you might have just taught me something new. Just never did it. I will try it. Keep pumping on.
@@erichiller4144 I sucked bag the paper bag into the hopper at around the 2 minute mark. I always prefer to cycle the mud around as well whenever possible as it mixes the retarder in more thoroughly with the concrete which is in the pump. I’m a big fun of sucking back a bag or ball into the hopper as well. As you mention, it saves a ton of time (and labour). 👍👍👍
My uneducated good guess is probably, the cheap dish soap as you may know does not sud/cut grease nearly half as good as Dawn/other well branded dish soaps. I imagine its those same properties/level of chemicals that is preventing the bonding of the concrete.
@@harryheinrichs8206 I say the sugar definitely kills it more so than the dish soap, but the dish soap doesn't segregate the concrete in the hopper during travel like sugar and retarder can. Seeing as we most often travel back to the ready mix plant for washout, not having to deal with a segregated hopper makes the washout process a little quicker/easier. Sugar will remain my go-to for when the concrete is nuclear hot, but for most instances moving forward, it's dish soap for this guy!
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 When we have left overs go back to Plant and make Blocks ,Sugar just delays set if not over treated and doest effect strength if not over treated.
🦬 certain stores are selling bison meat. Every pan I cook it in leaves residue of bison that’s very hard to clean. If you’re going to eat bison burgers pressed hard down on the pan to speed up cooking then be prepared .
This concrete is dead it just doesn't know it yet. 🎅
Idk Sterling 💀
you beat me to the punch
and it makes your concrete clean lol
I added on of those bottles to a load of concrete (i think it was a full 10 yards maybe 8) one time to bring up the air. It was standard dawn not platinum. It worked, brought the air up like 2.5% i think, don't remember. I have been back to that site a few times and the slab has gone through a few winters with no problem. I don't think it caused the finishers any problem or retarded it to a point that anyone noticed and it was poured in winter. The 28-day breaks were a little low? The weird thing is you could really smell it like doing dishes. I wouldn't have thought that the little bit of soap in that much concrete would have made a noticable smell.
I often think why aren’t we using Roman concrete that’s self repairs and uses quick lime. I mean that’s stuff is still doing its job 1500 to 2000 years + later and it’s better than using Portland cement. I doubt cement will last as long as Roman concrete.
People today don't think in 1500-2000 yr. terms for even Grand constructions, let alone commercially. I wonder about the cost difference. Are the Portland materials more availabe?
The size the agagate needs to be for roman it way large... They require that not all the lime is to be hydrated which makes me think it was under hydrated and super thick
@@brettscott7574 I don’t know to be honest. I know that the quick lime heals its self because there is still lumps of unused lime in the mixture which is how it self heals but the aggregate was volcanic stones. Still though an Amazing feat for ancient people. I’m sure its thickness varied depending on what they were doing.
Because, until recently we didn't know how to make Roman concrete. It requires a very specific sized, and the right proportion, of lime granules
@@ravenrock541 Then perhaps it’s time we switched to Roman concrete. As industry changes it will be more used. Portland cement is not as good as the Roman stuff. Why use an inferior product when a better version is now known.
i will jam a wet sponge with a bunch of dawn on top halfway into the tip hose and suck a five gallon bucket of water through the sponge to froth everything up it helps let the sponge go back a little bit slower and washouts are super easy
@@clebzey5435 I’m going to give that one a try. So many legit uses for this dish soap.
Was hoping for a full wash out vid, but i guess this is close enough. Keep up the great content :)
@@Sensei_Fly have I got just the video for you!!!
ua-cam.com/video/3vSbUlnHmvk/v-deo.htmlsi=3HhdKmk_Or67mly9
I ran a plant on and off. And drove a redi mix truck for a little over 7 years. Had my times with HOT mud. I had two, 2 liter bottles of mountain dew and two gallons of mid range in the box of the truck. I have never heard it said that soap kills the mud. That would have been something I would have liked to know. Broke down once, 9 yards cooked in the drum. PTO broke. Bad day.
@@curtisdterhunejr7037 You may find this follow up test to be of some interest:
ua-cam.com/video/ZQQXUqRlRz0/v-deo.htmlsi=D3evIkBcr41kkY7D
it does segragate the soap forms around the partricles and you lose strenght
How do the moving parts react to the degreasing from the soap?.... only time will tell but id like updates
@@freedumbofspeech1977 I’m not certain it would have much/any more of a degreasing effect than concrete itself already does. Interesting discussion point for sure though.
Day 13 waiting on Ian’s first boom video
@@bowenike Hoping to get out with him on our little 24Z very soon here. He’s been using it a bunch for plugging into the high-rise/placing-boom jobs.
🤔🤔 interesting.... So you can add polymer to concrete to slow it down. I never thought of that. Makes me want to test out some material that is basically a hi tech polymer used in the ag fields. Maybe it would make a good product for the mud biz. 👍🤠
Soap isn't a polymer, it's a surfactant
As someone who made and did QA for add mix......that is responsible and detrimental for the integrity of the concrete. Use proper air entrainment, retardant or excelerators.
@@rocketfamilykml2528 it’s on its way to the washout facility. The goal here was to destroy the concrete and keep that bay during travel to said facility.
Cleanest Hopper on you tube. Lol.
Glad it worked.
And smells great too!!!! 😂
A couple 2 litre cokes will work also..
@@eddroberts1681 Absolutely!!! I really do like how the dish soap keeps the mud from segregating in the hopper dirty travel. Makes for an easy-breezy washout.
Please define "hot concrete",no idea what your trying to do
"Hot Concrete": when concrete reaches a certain temperature (typically 25-ish degrees) it will begin to set in the lines within a very short time frame. The dish soap helps to counteract this and retards the set time. Normally concrete is at 15-17 degrees when "fresh".
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 What was the time from batch to adding the dawn? Over 90 minutes?....any retatders added from the batch plant?
@@giz771 Concrete was
batched at 8:00AM, Dawn dish soap was added to the concrete at 11:00AM. No retarders in the mix. 32 mpa concrete.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 for sure concrete was hot & going off, good time to try the soap.....& good that it worked.
Nice bit of advice there, thanx🙂
Man, i hear that sunlight soap workes gread fer cement around salt water
So question what do you do with that slop now it is out of your hopper. Does it harden? Then what do you do with it?
@@mostlikelywedoitservices6926 We washout back at the ready mix plant where they put it through their reclaimer and separate it back into sand, aggregate, and slurry.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 Wow. Thank you. You taught me something I had no idea about. Thanks.
The surfactant will not care whether you premix or just squirt the stuff in . If you are going to use it , just dump it in.
Sugar will slow the set time , and if you get the ideal % of sugar, it can actually make the concrete harder, stronger. The reason sugar is not normally used is too much? It will not set, you have a mess. If the concrete arrives too hot, open a can of coke or mountain dew, sugar not diet,, and pour it into the mix and spin it up a few rotations. Slows the set time. I could be wrong,, without running a calculation I am just remembering A 5 pound bag of sugar in the 10 yard truck and a squirt of water from the hose to wash it into the mix. Turns a hot load that had a 45 minute ride from the plant, 390 revolutions, into something you can get down and floated before you have problems
@@Sailor376also So awhile back I mixed a can of Coke into the hopper and had my buddy on QC take a 28 days break test on it. The results were precisely online with what you say here.
ua-cam.com/video/swhGmf_3jAo/v-deo.htmlsi=dADBX1-xtVSAGc6w
What does it do to the strength of the concrete ?
@@littlehuey5679My guess is that in large enough quantities, it would permanently compromise strength. Hoping to follow up with a video in which we can test samples at the lab.
Sugar is reay good at
preventing concrete crom setting up.
I've gotta give that a try now, I'd be curious if I could use about 1/4 of a bottle or so.
@@fronabargerconveyingpumping You’ll love it Darin. Washout is so easy.
What does hot mean?
Hot. Like heat from the curing process.
@@Joseph-Colin-EXP Means it’s begging to cure/setup/will go hard in the lines within a few short minutes if not dealt with accordingly.
Hey Scott did the Dawn dish soap make any difference after you mix it in with the concrete did it make any difference as far as helping keeping the hopper clean or would that be another total different situation like spraying the canola oil on there
@@robertaustin-y7j I’m not so certain it would be of much benefit in terms of acting as a non-stick/protective coating on the inside of the hopper, but I did have a good chat with a 50 year pump operator (that’s right 50 years!!!) at last years World of Concrete convention in Las Vegas and he was mentioning a special mixture of Dawn dish soap and concrete dissolver which he applies to the exterior of the hopper before each pour. Apparently everything just pressure washes away at days end. I have yet to try it myself, but it is most certainly on my “list” 😁😁😁
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 did you see the results of what he was talking about at the world of concrete to have it be on your list of something to try and no skeptics behind it
@@robertaustin-y7j I couldn’t really say until I give it a go myself. I do feel there is at least some merit to it, especially considering the source (industry legend pump operator).
So how weak does it make the concrete
@@davidreynolds-g5b Based on what it do to the mud in my hopper, I’d be hard pressed to believe that it does not have permanent adverse affects to the strength of the concrete… or at least in high concentrations like what I used here in the video.
The only thing soap does is add air to it I have added soap to flowable fill 150 psi. before to make it pumpable
@@tomtammybates1512 my assumption is that it adds so much air is the reason why the concrete doesn’t set… or at least not anytime soon.
Either that, or it adds so much air it negatively effects strength if it does set
@@JeffLMisc I’m hoping to get a sample of this heavily air entrained stuff on the test-bench sometime in the not so distant future.
Can you pump your clean out back into the Transit truck?
A lot of companies won't allow it these days unless its been pre organised with the plant and paid a disposal fee.
@@Brainrottkiller is that a Canadian thing? My area the batch plants make blocks with it and sell them.
@@toddb8479 nah I'm in Australia
@@toddb8479 so with boom pumps, yes we are allowed, but line-pumps are forbidden to pump back onto the mixer. Story goes that years ago someone did something really stupid and as such ruined it for the rest of us (not at all uncommon in our industry).
Do you mean regular building blocks or those giant lego blocks ?@@toddb8479
I find that crazy I’ve used dish soap to add air to a hand made concrete. I poured a side walk with at my house and it got hard and there’s definitely no signs of it being crappy concrete !
I’ll concur to adding air because that’s what Ready Mix plans technically “ use “
Many many years ago (40+) in the UK, we used to add 'Marvin' wood glue (safe to eat, non toxic, used in schools for kids) to hand mixed cement - either hand/shovel mix, or mixer - and it made it much easier to work with. Slippery, one might say. Then I tried it about 12 years ago here in north america, using some other wood glue, and nope, it wouldn't blend! I guess it's more plastic now than it used to be.
I want to do a break test on this stuff, same as what we did when adding the Coca Cola to the hopper. My guess would be that similar to adding Coke/sugar, there is a certain threshold which once exceeded, the concrete becomes junk.
The Harder. of the concrete. The better the Crete will be. Yes. Having it more water is. easier. 5 slope. to 4 slope. Is the best?
Hi, my name is Aurelio from panama, 1 question... the coca cola can make the same thing? The soap kill the concrete but here in Panamá we use the coca cola for the same thing
Enough Coca Cola most definitely works. Interestingly enough, in moderation, Coca Cola can actually increase the 28 day compressive strength of the concrete. Checkout this test we recently did:
ua-cam.com/video/swhGmf_3jAo/v-deo.htmlsi=JOEhP1rQF1wUxbLM
They use Coca-Cola when they want aggregate top concrete look then rinse it away looks nice
Secret Air entrainment trick
@@Randy-v9x need to get a sample of his heavily air entrained concrete put on the testing bench after 28 days.
Frothy!
@@Dex01-Z_WingZero should have seen all the suds piling up in the reclaimer back at the ready mix plant 😂😂😂
2L bottle of cola works a treat...
I'm thinking you'll like this one: ua-cam.com/video/swhGmf_3jAo/v-deo.htmlsi=1VCDOfKm2DucfriX
Hot concrete doesn’t pump or mix like that. This is a scam.
Ah, yes… an elaborate conspiracy theory put together by cooperate big-wigs only to pedal $3 bottles of Dawn dish soap to unsuspecting pump operators…
They also use soap in air crete for building domes.
I’m assuming the dish soap acts as a lubricant?
As a concrete pump operator. don't ever do that. I have never done that. I'm not going to take the chance as long as it took for this video. Hoses would have been clean by a Sponge ball. off to the clean out.
@@erichiller4144 Respectfully disagree. I’ll gladly take 5 minutes to thoroughly cycle retarder through the hopper, material cylinders, and S-tube prior to travelling for a washout. Cheap insurance should there be any delays in travel, and also makes for a quicker/easier washout.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 And I 1000% agree. But what got me? You didn't use a ball to suck through. to the Hopper. Add a little bit of water while everything's in the Hopper. to keep it nice and juicy. not too juicy. That way you can do the wash out of the hoses. That will give you time for. the hopper. to get to where you need to go to wash out. I've just never used dish Soap. And remember you. get paid by the hour. not by the minute. And I know it makes a long day. I've tried to rush and have made mistakes. And you might have just taught me something new. Just never did it. I will try it. Keep pumping on.
@@erichiller4144 I sucked bag the paper bag into the hopper at around the 2 minute mark. I always prefer to cycle the mud around as well whenever possible as it mixes the retarder in more thoroughly with the concrete which is in the pump. I’m a big fun of sucking back a bag or ball into the hopper as well. As you mention, it saves a ton of time (and labour). 👍👍👍
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 😁I'm glad to see we're both Learning We're never too old to learn and try new things
I wonder what a gallon of bleach would do?😮
So brown sugar or soap I’ll try it does it have to be dawn
My uneducated good guess is probably, the cheap dish soap as you may know does not sud/cut grease nearly half as good as Dawn/other well branded dish soaps. I imagine its those same properties/level of chemicals that is preventing the bonding of the concrete.
@@jamessomero3617 I don’t think so. Dawn just gallons to be what they had front row center at the dollar store.
We use Sugar for delay but looks like the soap definitely kills it.
@@harryheinrichs8206 I say the sugar definitely kills it more so than the dish soap, but the dish soap doesn't segregate the concrete in the hopper during travel like sugar and retarder can. Seeing as we most often travel back to the ready mix plant for washout, not having to deal with a segregated hopper makes the washout process a little quicker/easier. Sugar will remain my go-to for when the concrete is nuclear hot, but for most instances moving forward, it's dish soap for this guy!
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 When we have left overs go back to Plant and make Blocks ,Sugar just delays set if not over treated and doest effect strength if not over treated.
🦬 certain stores are selling bison meat. Every pan I cook it in leaves residue of bison that’s very hard to clean. If you’re going to eat bison burgers pressed hard down on the pan to speed up cooking then be prepared .