Ive been carrying the P320 for several years now. It was made after the upgrades were done. Believe me when i say hearing about it going off has had me worried but the more i research it the less worried i get. Those that supposedly went off could have been user error and i guarantee no one will admit that.
Don't be worried. Most of these officers whether they are instructors or not, don't shoot all that often, and in my experience just don't spend enough time with their firearms. It's scary actually how little many cops practice shooting. If it's going off when a cop is reholstering, more often than not, it's his fault, it caught on somethin,g holster issue, clothes issue, NOT the guns fault. They just saw the military requested a saftey, and are using that as proof of "well sig put a safety on the 320 for the military" because they knew the firearm discharges by itself. Bullcrap. Itnwas requested. If the military requests a safety, maybe ALL police departments should be required to have a safety on their hand guns. If they have to shoot someone, in most cases I think they should be trained to operate with a safety anyways. Would stop all these nonsense cases. Cops need more training, even the trainers. See very little military guys shooting themselves. And if they lose this case, I'd like to see sig sue for defamation.
@Corey Sharp yea thats fir sure. Not all of them, but seems to be more and more by the week almost. And it's all about the money. Soon as sig dropped a safety on at the request of the services, these grimy sleaze bags thought they could use it as some bullshit excuse to say their triggers aren't safe. Alot of depts here in mn carry sigs, and alpt of our small town guys spend tons of time training as well, and guess what, Noone is shooting their leg reholstering. Almost 10 outta 10 times if your reholstering your firearm and it goes off, it's your clothing or something catching the trigger. Imo maybe police should be required to have safteys on all their service guns and be forced to train thru having a safety if this is such a concern for these departments. Problem solved. So tired of grimy people trying to make a buck off anything and everything. Maybe they should not be officers if this is so common. Maybe they aren't competent enough to handle a firearm at all. Who the fuck knows. We have cops here in mn grabbing their glocks and dumping rounds into guys because she thought it was a tazor. That's shit training, or she's lying period. We can't have that. It's a stressful ass job, 100% but what helps with that is training, and counciling. End of story. Quit with the cash grabs already.
To all the people that believe that the p320 goes off uncommanded….I am open to any factual evidence to support that claim. Not hearsay or “people saw it happen”. I’d like to see it mechanically explained and demonstrated on how the sequence of events led to these discharges. Id like to know how the striker block is being defeated and the sear is releasing the striker WITHOUT the trigger being pulled in any way. Even if a particular part fails, that alone is not enough to conclude that alone led to the discharge. If we are to assume that any one failure can led to the discharge, then all firearms have the potential to discharge uncommanded and this is not just a sig problem. In Reality it would take multiple failures simultaneously to accomplish this, not one alone. As we stated in our video, even if the striker were inadvertently released, the striker block would still have to be disengaged by the trigger. You must still disable the block by PULLING THE TRIGGER. I get that people are in a frenzy about this topic but the bottom line is that no one has been able to definitively show how the discharges are happening. To date there have be no successful lawsuits on this particular issue. All have failed. Despite this people are still hellbent on calling into question the design of the firearm, something that most don’t fully understand the inner workings of anyway. People don’t like to admit when they make mistakes, myself included. This is why these “reports” must be taken with a grain of salt. No one wants to admit they could have caused it whether it’s intentional or not. Anything is possible but I’m all about cold hard facts, not speculation. So that being said, let’s here some real explanations that are objective….
This guy's video just proved that it can happen without pulling the trigger. Sig Sauer themselves inspected his X5 P320 and cleared him of any wrong doing and offered to fix it. He also had many witnesses that took pictures and one witness even signed a documented notarized statement that validates the guy's P320 accidentally discharging without him touching his P320. Even the Range Officer witnessed it right in front of him. Even with Sig Sauer paying millions in lawsuits over AD on the P320, you'll never be satisfied until you literally see it happen right in front of you live. ua-cam.com/video/KaSb_cbMyj8/v-deo.html If what you say if 100% correct. How come Sig Sauer didn't contact you as their defense attorney or armorer specialist? How come they spend millions and millions of dollars to pay off victims? Who are you to know more about the P320 than Sig Sauer themselves?
Even this guy who just posted on your channel says and I'm re-posting what already typed. "My early production P320 compact fired on it's own AFTER the so-called upgrade. The early pistols were rushed to market because Sig was behind the curve on striker fired handguns. The early units should have been recalled and destroyed. Instead, owners (including me) are left with injuries due to the manufacturer's indifference. By the way, I have been handling and firing both long guns and handguns for over 60 years." - RODNEY PREWITT - This guy just literally had his P320 after the upgrade fire on it's own, a guy who actually owns a P320, not some anti-Sig Glock fanboy, an actually Sig customer who trusted the P320 just explained in plain English what happened to him. And you STILL will not believe him until you actually see his P320 accidentally go off right in front of you. If that's the case , how about you prove us all that his P320 didn't fire on it's own. Let's see how you can prove he's lying and you're not. Sig Sauer can prove you're lying or misinformed because they've paid many victims off with money and offered to fix post upgraded P320 after they've had accidental discharges.
What you fail to realize is that all the safeties on the P320 depend on an independent striker housing system that will not always respond to safeties on the FCU, trigger or upper slide. Look up SIG MECHANICS and watch him remove that metal striker housing assembled and watch him pre set the striker and then releasing it to fire with his bare hands. What makes that dangerous is that the striker can be released without the use of the FCU, trigger or upper slide assembly. Even with a disconnector or even an external safety, the striker is being held by the tiny lever spring and lever bar that need an FCU safety lever, but if that striker lever spring or lever bar should fail, the FCU safety lever is not going to work and the striker pin will release to fire. The only way a P320 is 100% unable to accidentally fire is if you holster it without a round in the chamber. By doing this the striker is not cocked and can't hit a live cartridge, or if it is cocked the striker will just dry fire hitting nothing. The P320 being a single action only striker fire will greatly increase it's accidental discharges because the current safeties are obviously NOT working, if they were, Sig wouldn't have paid so many lawsuits. If the P320 had a 1911/2011 style safeties it would probably work. The Springfield XD has a grip safety and I don't hear anyone having accidental discharges with those that I'm aware of, if there is I'd like to see a link. Also Sig is famous for it's lack of quality control for well over 15 years. If any of the safety parts are just barely off by even a tiny fragment, the entire P320 safety is compromised. Also the P320 has more moving parts than normal striker fired pistols. The more moving parts, the greater the chances of failures.
The P320 uses a different striker and safety system than the P365, and no ever hears of the P365 having accidental discharges. Ever wonder why? Just because they're both Sigs and striker fired, doesn't mean they're using the same safety systems. Their triggers feel different with the P320 having a short good pull but horrible reset, while the P365 trigger has a crappy long pull but great reset. Every wonder why? I can explain it but I'd first like to hear what Mr. Sig Master has to say about it, lol!
After all that you and others have still failed to explain how the striker block safety is being defeated in all of this. This block prevents the stiker from penetrating the bolt face. The only way to disable it is to pull the trigger. And I don’t have to prove anything to you or anyone else. This is my opinion and I’m entitled to it whether you agree or not. How it works in a courtroom is, the burden of proof falls on the accuser not the other way around. None of what you said is hard fact. It is speculation. None of what you said proves contrary to the fact that the trigger must be pulled to disengage the firing pin block. I don’t how you slice it. You could pick and part of the gun and say it failed, it still don’t answer how it gets past the block without the trigger being pulled and therefore disengaging the block. As much as I love this debate I have to go do more important things, like run my business 😂. Maybe someone else can come debate you after I get off. Don’t forget to his that like and subscribe button!!! Have a good day sir
New subscriber. I found your channel because the P320C is my first owned firearms. I'm extremely new. Thank you for this video I heard something about the issue the night I bought it. I feel better now with your explanation and showing how it works. Excellent job! I will be watching more of your content. Thank you for your service. Watching from Massachusetts.
If you ever think that this maybe an issue, I would suggest looking at a Springfield XDM elite. They have carry and compact models. Not only does it have a trigger safety and a built in drop safety in the slide, it also has a grip safety. So unless it is gripped correctly, it will not fire. Grip safety's have been around for over 100 years and combat proven in the popular 1911 pistol . This can give you piece of mind if you still want that. Springfield XD series grip safety - how does it work - ua-cam.com/video/YqTGtXrJw1A/v-deo.html XDM Elite - ua-cam.com/video/-8QNtRkk2zM/v-deo.html also ua-cam.com/video/oe8c1FGYyO0/v-deo.html
The 320 is an excellent pistol and completely safe when handled properly. If you'd like to see a great video on the internal workings of all the safeties and how they work, There's a channel called @sigmechanics and look for the P320 safety mechanisms video. Very interesting
@bradskis81 Thank you. Yet again, now another police officer is saying it went off on its own.. I'm truly wondering, are they jumping on the band wagon? Look up p320 police on UA-cam. More have said it just went off in the last ten months. Now I wonder if it's just negligence. I still appendix carry every day. There are no issues so far.
@@AnneMarieBibby1966 Yeah, I saw that one too... But as far as all the other cases, it was found out they were acting negligently and their own unsafe actions caused something to get into the trigger housing and pull the trigger. They don't just "go off" by themselves, something has to pull that trigger back to defeat the striker safety. That lady threw it into her purse unholstered, then tossed her bag around and onto a table. That's just dumb. In another case, the guy wrapped it up in a gym towel unholstered and tossed it around and it went off. Well no shit! As for the most recent one, if you watch the video from the different angles, and look at the stills, the gun is obviously NOT fully seated in its holster. It's sticking way up out of the holster. Then he goes into the scuffle, comes up and into the other officer's duty belt and jams the gun down. Who knows if something fell into the holster, or if something got caught while it was sticking up, or being out of the holster and him jamming it into the other officer's belt, slamming the gun into the holster all crooked... who knows, but it definitely wasn't in a normal or safe state to be getting into scuffels with in that condition. I'm betting that when the investigation concludes, it will have something to do with that gun not being in the holster fully to begin with.
@bradskis81 I appreciate your input. I'm still faily new Nana in training 😂 I'm going to the range still practicing. I always have my safty on, and I'd never just throw it in my purse 🙄 On a different note, I watch a great YT channel he is a store owner down the cape in Massachusetts. He has 2A Tuesday and Rapid Fire raido on Wednesday. The community is awesome, and he gives away something every week. He also has some fantastic guests on the show. His channel is "Capeguneorks" Toby leary. A wealth of knowledge and super guy. We'd be glad to have you come shoot the shit with us. Folks from all over. Thank you again. I appreciate you.
Courts ruled on this. No issue. It's just like when Glock came out and it took YEARS for people to realize they aren't invisible to metal detectors like people claimed. Rumors are hard to kill.
I personally love my Sig’s I own the P320 Compact, P365, P365 XL, P365 X Macro, also I am in the Process of Building a Completely After Market 365 XL for Target Shooting Only. But I own one and sometimes Two of Every Pistol that is worth owning. It all Started with The D.C vs Hellas Lawsuit Case in Which Judge Scalia Wrote The Brief Reversing The Brady Bad On AR15 and So On. Rest In Peace The Honorable Judge Scalia.
I am in the camp that believes either user error (the snowstorm vehicle exit discharge in NJ for instance was probably a coat stuck in the holster.) Also people unfamiliar with the firearm (I.e. trained as a glock armorer but trying to work on a Sig) causes the NDs. Thank you for this video.
Even SIG themselves explained in the original instructional manual that if dropped it just like any other firearm has the potential to fire as this should be common sense , but in the modern world . Common sense isn’t so common anymore . As a SIG owner for many many many years I have no complaints of the ergonomics and the overall usability of the firearm .9mm compact p320 user here .
There are numerous videos on YT showing failures of this pistol live on video. I don’t pretend to be a Sig expert not do I plan to ever own one, unless it’s hammer fired. Just my choice. There are way to many options available to risk having a pistol with a potential to fail.
@@armenchuckthe search button exists. If you really wanted to know the answer to your question, you’d use it instead of trying to argue with a stranger.
There's two great videos on how a 320 fires uncommanded. The channel SIG Mechanics has a video titled Striker Safety Disengagement Parameters. The other is Grey Wolf Armory, video titled How Can a P320 Fire Uncommanded. In thie SIG Mechanics video he demonstrates that the trigger only needs to move 1/10th of an inch to disengage the striker safety. In the Grey Wolf Armory video he explains how this minimal trigger movement to disengage the safety is what leads to uncommanded discharges. So the argument is not that the 320 doesnt have a safety. The argument is that a gun with a fully cocked striker, that only reuires 1/10th of an inch to disengage the striker block safety is not safe to carry. Especialy without a trigger safety or manual safety. If a holster is not shaped absolutely perfect then the holster can exert pressure on the side of the trigger and move it rearward. In this scenario the 320 is being carried with the striker safety deactivated. Then just a couple pounds of downward pressure or a blow to the side of the holster causes the holster to exert more force on the trigger and the gun to goes off.
Odd that you list the SIG mechanics videos since the guy who made the videos agrees that it's mechanically impossible to fire "on it's own." He also shows clearly that this 1/10th of an inch you seem to be keen to harp on is actually almost HALF THE DISTANCE TO THE TRIGGER BREAKING. Allow me to repeat that for you. The 1/10th of an inch (It's actually .9, btw.) is NEARLY HALF THE DISTANCE OF THE ENTIRE TRIGGER PULL BEFORE IT FIRES. So yes, you have to pull the trigger nearly halfway in order to disengage the safeties, at which point the gun can fire. Tell me again how this is a problem to someone who isn't negligent in handling their weapon, uses the CORRECT holsters that don't pinch the trigger, and has NOT modified the trigger or FCU in any way. Because I certainly don't see the issue. It appears to only be an issue to John Laws or other people who have a vested interest in NOT being blamed for their own ADs, else they risk losing their jobs and/or certifications.
@@timrobinson6573 Reread mine. We're not talking about your personal opinion on whether half the trigger pull is too short to be "safe," we're talking about your claim of the firearms firing UNCOMMANDED. Try to keep up. You're citing a video where the creator of the video shows it CANNOT be fire "uncommanded" and then you claim it shows the opposite. He clearly shows that DOES NOT HAPPEN unless you move the trigger ALMOST HALF WAY. His own comments in the video make it clear that he does not believe they fire on their own, yet you come here and try to use it to support your "uncommanded" firing claim and you emphasize a small number because it sounds bad out of context. That's straight up deceitful. You're harping on 1/10th of an inch, claiming it's unacceptable without putting your number into context. That .9/10ths of an inch is nearly half the trigger pull. Regardless of whether YOU think that's unacceptable or not, you need to provide full context or it's misleading, as is your claim that the video supports the fact that guns fire on their own. That video does the exact opposite of your claim. And the full context is that the .9/10ths of an inch is nearly half the travel of the trigger from rest until the break point. That's significant, and you continually omit that fact. You have an agenda, it's clear. Now, instead of being offended and trying some witty insult, how about you address why you made claims that are easily provable as false, and provide some more solid evidence of these guns firing "uncommanded" as you claim. Becuase the evidence you cited does the opposite.
This guy is a clown and all who liked his comment. All that waste of finger energy typing his bullshit. Im super sure no one can make the gun fire on its own. All bark no bite know hows.
I watched a video where a Sig owner believes the issue can be in the modular firing system. He said something about the trigger not resetting causing accidental discharges. Of course Sig has won all of its previous law suits. Will see how they do in court for this issue. I can't stand Sig Sauer because of its high bore axis. Just not for me
Imo I find ppl that like 1911's gravitate towards sigs because they grip angle is similar. If you are used to shooting Glocks, you be shooting low on a SIG. It all comes down to picking a platform and training on it. I started with a SIG, and find Glocks shoot high for me, but after a few rounds I adjust.
Excellent video explaining the safety features of the P320. I bought one about 2 years ago it was LEO Red Box p320 carry. When I picked up at my FFL I removed the slide to make sure the upgrade was done before we did the transfer, Excellent Pistol, shoots great. I however upgrade the Grip module to a Wilson Combat. Unlike my 3 Glocks that had to have Trigger upgrades to reach my Standard of Excellence.
Big_Al_67 Does the WC grip module come in large, medium and small like the standard Sig grip modules or does WC just have a one size fits all grip module?
It still doesn’t change the fact that they left out a trigger inertia safety (like every other brand has incorporated) coupled with the fact that rather than having the striker be a half-cock design like a Glock it is a fully cocked striker. And this doesn’t even scratch the surface of some of the design flaws…If you have a FB go check out “sling guy who gives excessively detailed gun advice” he’s done thorough research on this topic and sites all his sources. Sig needs to answer to the problems their gun has been having…and this is coming from a guy who owned an x5 and LOVED it. I ended up trading it and was gonna buy a new one in the future but now I’m seriously holding off on it until sig addresses these issues…
Read what that dude had to say he basically just regurgitated gunghis gears vid even tho he had the incident in 2019 and the Milwaukee pd. Strange, it's only a famously inept pd department having issues.
I understand where you’re coming from, but to claim that the “fully cocked” design is dangerous is a bit disingenuous: Walther PPQ/PDP, Smith and Wesson m&p, CZ P10, Canik, (the list goes on) all have fully cocked strikers. One could argue that the short pull on the p320 to defeat the striker safety is an inherently less safe design, but ultimately, I believe that the trigger needs to get pulled for the gun to fire. Whether the pull is intentional or negligent, is a different matter all together.
@@chrisp1601 hey, I've got no brand loyalty, I gravitate towards great shooting pistols, but safety is paramount. However, I'm not seeing compelling evidence that the p320 is inherently a flawed design. (Though I will admit I have placed my p320 on "paid leave" until I can get more information, but I have not sold them yet)
After decades of handling, shooting, cleaning and repairing firearms, I will say that I’ve never encountered a credible report of a firearm just “going off on it’s own”. After tons of hours at multiple ranges teaching people about firearms and watching them handle them, I can also say that I’ve witnessed multiple ad situations both with newbs and very experienced people. Each one that I witnessed was shooter induced (no exceptions). Only a small number of the shooters that I’ve seen recognized that when they had an ad, they caused it. All of the rest claimed that it wasn’t due to anything that they did. While this seems silly, it’s actually a very normal human reaction; it’s learned and reinforced through most of our social interactions. Also, when Glocks came on the scene, lots of people claimed that those guns would “go off on their own” and again that simply wasn’t the reality. This video explains the mechanics of the gun quite correctly and while the people having an ad may not recognize what they did to cause it, they caused it. I’ll also mention something else relevant. Wilson Combat are absolute firearms experts and, arguably, there’s nobody better at it. I do not believe that they would offer P320s IF this was a legitimate issue.
Good review!!!! I agree that the holsters that the police use are either very cheap, not specifically made for Sig P320 or they're leather, soft and reused previously on other guns. They are trying to blame the manufacturer and try to make mobey out of it. My P320 has a competition trigger, light and tight and never had any issues with it. People cheap out on everything just to savea buck here and there. It's like cars: they buy nice cars but they put shitty tires on them and the first accident happens, they try to blame the dealer.
Ive had my p320 for about 6months.. still no issues as my edc. But then again i dont keep one in the chamber like most. It shoots to perfection. One of the better option if you want a sig and not pay 700+, especially for the accuracy it has
THANKS for this video!!! I’m so tired of hearing all of the antidotal nonsense stories about how, “it just went off”… I’m the owner of multiple P320’s and P365’s, all have been reliable safe firearms! My first P320 was bought before the original “recall fix” was started. That one was fixed, and over 4 years and over 1000 rds hasn’t had an issue. Also, I’ve haven’t had any problems/concerns with any of my other Sig’s! Your video was an excellent tutorial on the 320’s firing and safety mechanisms! Looking forward to others videos on this channel!🔫👍🏾🇺🇸
I built my P320 X-Carry and I have two slides. One for optics and the other original sights. After watching this... I'm wondering if the original slides were produced before Sig made any corrections. Looks like I'm going to have to contact Sig. Thanks for the info...!
I would hope that the gun doesn't need to be inspected this closely after every thousand rounds. I'm not a Glock fan, but I've heard that they are made to shoot 100,000 rounds without failure. If the Sig P320 has springs that are designed for only 1% of the life of a Glock, that's a serious problem. I wish that these were designed so that regular people could inspect the springs more easily and replace them easily on a regular schedule. I live where I don't have easy access to a gunsmith. If I need to change springs, I'll probably have to do it myself.
Love my 320, haven’t had a single issue out of it , so far I’ve put 5k rounds through my 320 m18 I got bout a month ago an also haven’t had any issues with it so far
The chief of my department took the 320 series guns off our list of guns we can carry. I have been carrying my p320 xcarry for just over a year, appendix carry, and never had the gun go off. I now use it as a bedside gun and still have never had the gun go off in the holster. The lawsuits are so dumb. They never talk about what holsters were being used nor what the officers were doing when the gun goes off. Its all user error
what about the guy on u tube that was shooting in a comp with his x5 legion he loaded it made ready by putting it in his holster put his hands on his head and it just went off nothing touching it hands were on his head sig said it was a broken striker spring the spring failed and set off a round so all the other safeties r meaningless if the striker spring itself fails like iv always thought its never been the trigger mass issue its always been the striker spring failing because it has to fall at a certain angle on the bevertail to make it go off but if u hit it with a mallot nose facing down to the ground hanging over a rail for safety obviously they will disharge proven in vids also so can u elaborate on this please and yes i love this firearm i have four of them not knocking it at all just trying to make it even safer for all to carry!!!
There is video of a guy complaining that his sig p320 fired without him pulling the trigger. There is just not any video of it actually happening. If you have knowledge of or video of a p320 going off without being manipulated, please send it to me. And not the old, drop at certain angles videos. Thanks so much..👍
Yes like I said, I think it’s a firing pin problem not a trigger problem. I don’t know if it is because it was worn out from so many rounds been put through it or what but yes, it does go off by itself like I said, I own four of them. I love them. I’ve never had an issue with them. Three of them of the original ones that had the issue. Apparently my newest one is an M 18. I haven’t had a problem with any of them, and two of them have well over a few thousand rounds through them so I honestly don’t know what the issue is but there obviously is an issue. I’m just trying to make them safer. Hopefully other people will keep looking into this anyway one day it will happen.
I have and carry a XCARRY. One thing I notice is it seems Sig tried to emulate a single action trigger. And I noticed no other manufacturer has tried the whole removable fire control unit thing. Perhaps that's not the best thing in the world.
The removable fire control unit concept is nothing new. The Chinese have been doing it since 1998 with the Norinco CF 98 that is basically the Chinese army's side arm for over 2 decades.
The modular FCU helped them win the US military contract. One FCU, Multiple hand grips to fit more hands compared to Glocks One Size 21.5 degree grip angle.
@@big_al_674 I understand that part, I have one. My point was maybe that has something to do with it's function. And my other point is if it's such a great idea, why isn't anyone else doing it? My Grayguns grip module and the factory module are pretty flimsy compared to my other frames. I also think they tried to simulate a single action trigger, and maybe that has something to do with it too. Still carrying mine for now, it was made in mid 2019. But may just carry something else here soon. I don't know what to believe.
@@chrissmith-rv5ro I have several Glocks g19 g26 g34 won't carry them they all have trigger upgrades. Just picked a G43x mos I'll probably carry that, also have Shield arms 15rnd mags for it
Well gee wiz. Thanks for explaining how a striker fired pistol works. What YOU don't understand, is TOLERANCE STACKING resulting in MINIMAL sear striker engagement..and the fact that THERE IS NOTHING STOPPING THE TRIGGER FROM MOVING REARWARD AND DEACTIVATING THE STRIKER BLOCK UNDER INERTIAL FORCE SUCH AS WHEN DROPPED IS THE REASON WHY THIS PISTOL ISNT DROP SAFE.. sig put a bandaid on this by installing a trigger with LIGHTER MASS thus having less POTENTIAL INERTIAL ENERGY when dropped.. But what sig DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR was that light trigger may not have enough mass to generate enough inertia to move the trigger rearward when the SPRINGS ARE NEW , but once springs break in they lose tension.. as the SPRING THAT RETURNS AND HOLDS THE TRIGGER FORWARD BREAKS IN AND LOSES TENSION, THIS HAS THE SAME EFFECT AS ADDING MASS TO THE TRIGGER ( in a drop or impact scenario) That's why there was a resurgence of accidental discharges when dropped or impacted on the rear of the slide AFTER the " voluntary upgrade".... When a p320 trigger moves to the rear SLIGHTLY that's enough to disengage the striker block.. the striker block disengages at the VERY BEGINNING OF THE THE TRIGGER PULL.. vs on a pistol such as an m&p , the striker block isn't disengaged untill the trigger has traveled rearward a greater distance than that of the sig.. When you couple that, with the fact there is nothing blocking the trigger from moving rearward under the inertia of a drop/impact event, you have a recipe for disaster , especially if you happen to have a pistol that has tolerances on opposite ends of acceptable.. There is a reason striker fired pistols have a TRIGGER BLOCK.. there is a reason striker fired pistols striker block safety don't disengage AS SOON AS THE TRIGGER MOVES REARWARD. Its because there is a chance of drop/impact safety issues.. Striker fired pistol triggers will never have custom 1911 trigger feel .. sig went too far trying to accomplish this . They pushed the bounds of safety too far and then on top of that, they didn't acknowledge it , then when they did they didn't own it . A full recall should have been issued. And at the very least a polymer trigger with a trigger blade safety installed.. In my opinion the platform needs to be redesigned in a manner that requires the trigger to travel further rearward before the striker block is disengaged. Also there should be more sear , striker lug engagement to account for tolerance stacking.. and also a lightweight polymer trigger with blade installed..
They are videos of the new updated ones going off I can’t remember the name of the video but it happened at a competition a guy got done with his run holsters the gun and takes one step and it goes off , type in sig going off at a match it will probably come up this just happened a couple of months ago to, I not bashing on sig I’m a sig fan I’ve got 3 sig and I really like them but they are a lot of valid proof out there about these guns going of even after the update just do some research and u will find it
@@buddysumner4022 yes I can recall him saying that but yet again there wasn't a video of it happening. If its happening where is a single video so that it can be analyzed?
There is a video on line of a Milwaukee WI. Police offer exiting the passenger side of his squad car. He holding a package in both hands. He takes two steps and his 320 discharges in the holster. Another officer has his 320 Discharging in the holster while running up a flight of stairs.
My early production P320 compact fired on it's own AFTER the so-called upgrade. The early pistols were rushed to market because Sig was behind the curve on striker fired handguns. The early units should have been recalled and destroyed. Instead, owners (including me) are left with injuries due to the manufacturer's indifference. By the way, I have been handling and firing both long guns and handguns for over 60 years.
@@gunsquawk4443 I feel sorry for the nonbelievers. It happens and unfortunately you and others are unwilling to accept that fact. Why in Hell would I want to do a video replay to convince a moron that something happened?
I've carried a 320 now for almost 5 years. Have more then a couple different models of them also. I have dropped them every which way possible and it's never went off. I've appendix carried it for the same amount of time. Anyone who says they go off by their own is a fool or a cop who plays with their guns too much and need an excuse because they messed up.
Milwaukee PD have parking lot footage of it going off in an officers holster. Third Incident for that department, first one caught on footage. They have now removed them from service.
That is exactly our point…the gun will not just go off if all parts are in working order. If failures of different parts caused it then fine but none of these instances that were in these stories and lawsuits demonstrated how these discharges happened. No explanation other than “someone heard this or that” This same thing happened in the 80s about glocks just going off on their own. There were over a 100 lawsuits but nobody talks about it because it was a long time ago and people were not as informed due to lack of access to the internet. When ever there is a new product there will be people saying there is something wrong with it. I don’t see the concrete evidence to say what people are saying if fact at this point.
@@aquilaarsenal Nothing more than Internet hearsay, fear mongering garbage! One guy says that he saw, was told, or heard, and the next thing you know it's parroted all over UA-cam as indisputable truth. I've got a P320 XTEN coming in a few days. I'll let you know if it decides to jump up and shoot me while I'm making a target change. I heard on UA-cam that happened to some dude, somewhere who somehow forgot to clear the gun before he started downrange. 🙄
0:40 I wouldn't consider the unrevised trigger causing it to fire when dropped at a specific angle to be an ND. This is one of the few cases of an actual accidental discharge and not a negligent one. And if you consider dropping your gun to be negligence, I don't agree with that. Modern firearms are not supposed to fire when dropped. In fact, if a gun safety class covers what to do when a gun is dropped, they will teach you to let it fall. It is far too easy to inadvertently get a finger inside the trigger guard while attempting to catch a falling gun.
I have Glocks, CZ, Walthers, M&Ps and Sigs 3 p320s and p365 and 365xmacro. Ive never had a major problem with any gun I own. I carry every day. But I also have appropriate holsters, clean and maintain them and use factory new ammo. If its not a life or death situation Im extremely careful drawing and reholstering my weapons. ND happen all the time with Law enforcement and armed security. With many different kinds of handguns. This has blown up because of the former drop safe issues. Its easier to blame the gun then take ownership and possibly lose your career.
they should have kept the hammer on like the original model or start from scratch. They did took half measures and caused all theses issues, they could have at least put a safety blade on the trigger
There's a video of an officer getting out of his squad car (with his hands empty) and the P320 discharging in the holster. Feel free to look it up. Where's there smoke there's fire. It's also happened to UA-camr Gunghis_Khan during a competition: ua-cam.com/video/FBjo62vSYZk/v-deo.html
I have a sig p320 x5 and trust it completely. The trigger is kind of scary sweet but If you are careful and have a good holster you shouldn’t have anything to worry about.
What date did SIG Start shipping pistols after the upgrade, modification, seance, whatever ?? Several guys I know went to the range and beat the snot out of theirs with primer only loaded case and couldn't get them to discharge. I have the M18 and haven't fired it yet.
Many comments here about the person shooting a P320X-five during a match. ua-cam.com/video/FBjo62vSYZk/v-deo.html I watched the video a couple of times. Take note that at 4:11 of the video he shows his holster. It only took me a second time to realize it you got a P320 DO NOT USE A BLADE TECH HOLSTER. The holster pushes in around the trigger guard, that could create a impingment on the trigger shoe causing a discharge of the weapon.
Just found out about all this a few days ago. I pulled my striker assembly out and sure enough my striker return spring was broken and the two pieces were threaded together. My hypothesis is that in the uncommanded discharges, that spring has been broken into smaller pieces and the fragments migrated into the sear and into the striker block safety. It would be a tiny chance of that happening just perfectly to cause the failure of all the safeties resulting in a discharge, but through the sheer volume of p320s out there, anything that could happen probably will. The good news is, all that spring does is move the firing pin out of the breach during cycling. That's it. The pistol functions 100% without it and using snap caps will help buffer any wear during dry fire. The whole striker assembly is supposed to be replaced at 20k cycles. That spring failed in my gun around 6K cycles, most of those being dry fire. I did not replace that little spring, and I am paying more attention to my sear and striker assembly when I am cleaning. As long as those parts are moving freely and not bound up, there is no way for the gun to fire without a trigger press.
@@aishefasani5635 lol. ok. where do you want me to send you the picture of the broken spring? got an email or something? I emailed Sig and got a response as well. Also I bought 3 replacement springs, still have them. I decided not to replace it though. So. you wanna buy three springs?
I am a Sig fan/supporter since the 80’s. There have simply been too many accidental discharges in various states and even countries that I can not currently trust this firearm. I want to buy one, but won’t until I’m sure this issue has been corrected.
Have you googled glock accidental discharges before? If not you should. This isn't sig specific, this is every manufacture that a local pd carries. Whether glock or sig or whatever. If 320s went off sitting in the holster on the truck seat my itself I'd be worried. It's always upon a rwholster. And the new argument the lawyers are using is the safteys the gov requested for the m17s the army has. They say that proves sig has an issue. Well it proves nothing accept the army wants their guys to carry with a safety, and if they do, maybe all pds should as well. Not hard to train thru with a safety. They just don't want to spend that extra 10mins it would take every week to get even slightly more competent. I promise if these pds swapped over to glock, within a few years, we would be right back in this scenario, accept seeing it be a glock. And seems like it's alot of east coast officers. Why is that? Do we have the officers weights, years on duty, how much training they have had with sig, a bit of their past history whether they've been disciplined for this or that. The one guy trained officers I saw, how Long was he shooting a 320, what holster was he using, what were the exact circumstances shirt he was wearing, ammo they had in the firearms, there's so much to ask here. I just feel like they are chasing a payday here. They know sig has been innovating this past 5 10yrs, and getting some huge contracts with the government, and I think the lawyers see this as an easy way to just have sig settle the suits. They won't call out the officers as being negligent, sig knows better than that, and have too much repscet for that job, easier to throw out a settlement. But if sig wanted to get down and really show negligent discharges I'm sure they could. I think if so many officers just can't safely carry a 320, them have them swap over to glock, or have em run a m17 with the safety if they want to be actually certain this won't happen. That's the only for sure way. A manual safety, then everytime they reholster a safety is being turned on. Without it, you'll always have these guys randomly saying the gun went off, whether it's sig glick cz whatever. Google glock accidental discharges. Now Google any pistol from 10yrs back without a manual safety a guy could carry and accidental discharge. You'll see case after case.
Cops have alot of crap around them at all times. I'm pretty sure these NDs are accidentally pulling the trigger, getting the trigger hung up in jacket zippers, elastic pull cords, seat belts etc. Also cops are not trained much at all in proper gun handling. Most qualify once or twice a year then don't touch the gun after that.
@@kilomike5788 did you even watch the video? lol we said in the video that all they had to do is add a trigger shoe safety and none of this would be an issue….
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The only ones I've ever seen them have an ND, is in when they are beating them with a rubber hammer or they're a doing something of that nature to the gun, in which there's lots of guns out there if you beat them with rubber mallet they'll go off, if you hold them just right.
Best hand gun I’ve ever handle and shot. Lots of people complaining about drop fire. If you drop a gun and it somehow goes off???? It’s user err nothing more.
@@DC4EVAMultiple allegations of guns going off in the same department is not proof that the P320 is flawed. It is definitely worth looking into. Assuming there is no malign intent behind the Milwaukee claims (saying that it went off in the hopes of being compensated in a lawsuit, covering for a friend who had a user-induced negligent discharge, etc.), then there might be something going on with the particular lot of guns issued to that department or perhaps that department trains in such a way that officers have bad habits that lead to negligent discharges or perhaps that department’s gear (namely holsters) are contributing to the alleged discharges, but people are assuming it is gun-related. Again, it is interesting that the department had multiple cases in which officers claim that their P320s fired uncommanded, but that does not mean that there is an issue with their gun and it especially does not mean that it is an issue with every P320 or the design overall. I will, however, continue to monitor the Milwaukee cases and see what comes from them.
The fact that this video even exists, tells me not to buy the P320. You don’t hear about Glocks or even a Taurus doing this. If there is even the slightest question that a gun will fire on its own, it’s a hard pass.
This video exists because most people hear rumors or inconclusive information and take it as fact. Also Glock faced the same exact controversy when it was first released and also was sued much more than sig for the same supposed issue. Shall you give Glock a “hard pass” then since at one time their products were in question?
I think just about all of these reports are explainable,not the guns fault. Who knows if some people put harsh chemicals or smoosh grease into the mechanism. I bought a used S&W semi -auto pistol and it had what looked like wheel bearing grease all over the trigger mechanism,all dried and caked.
I’ve always loved Sigs but this one won’t be in my Arsenal. The videos are definitely out there. And if a gun is that holster finicky then I don’t want it. Almost sounds like the 1911 back in the day when you were told to try chip McCormick mags and if that didn’t work try this mag. Nope. Sig is now facing a huge lawsuit and I think this time they failed.
Do you have links or ways to direct viewers to the videos of the P320s discharging uncommanded? I asked because you stated that “The videos are definitely out there” and I’d like to check them out.
Sig has won all 6 cases. The newest lawsuit was also submitted by the same guy who lost the other 6 cases. It's not a big deal and far from a "large lawsuit". Sig will win with ease, as they have with the previous 6 cases lol.
I'm sorry but this is hilarious to me I bought a P320 two days ago. I didn't know about the "issues" I tinkered with the gun doing dry fires and what not and it dawned on me that this gun is super dangerous. It has a death trigger and no safety anywhere. That trigger barely moves before you hit the wall, and it takes barely any effort to make it click. That trigger is no joke. I was contemplating this gun and I'm now hearing hordes of people have shot themselves claiming the gun fires on its own. It's that Death Trigger 100%... I call this gun The Widowmaker 🤣
@@taylorhession1905 You must not have one because I have one and I described exactly what it is Look in my videos.. You trying to say I don't own one Compared to every gun I have, the P320 is a hair trigger with no safety. And there's almost no play in the trigger before it clicks. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I own the guns. You don't.
I mean not everyone has video camera pointed at their gun 24/7 not trying to argue but the chances of a smallish number of reports of failure prolly won’t be caught on video
You don’t get out much do you? Anytime you go in public your on camera. Just like the cop who said it went off in his holster without touching the trigger later it was found he pulled the trigger while re holstering. Everyone has a phone in todays world for most part your telling me they don’t have cameras ? It’s really naive to Believe people don’t have access to cameras in todays tech world.
I carry a 365XL daily and trust it without question, I have a 320 X-Full that I cleaned and put back in the box because I don't trust it! I have owned Glocks since the early 90's and S&W M&P's since they were first introduced, never questioned any of those multiple pistols I own.
I carry a P365XL as well. I absolutely trust it and have never had a second of doubt. With that said, whether the stories of the P320 are real or not, it has prevented me from buying one.
@@levimaliwauki8 - Apparently there is something different if 320's have had issues, but 365's have not. My 365XL has a manual safety. I trained with and carried a 1911 for many years, I have no problem with a manual safety pistol.
@@levimaliwauki8 ua-cam.com/video/FBjo62vSYZk/v-deo.html Another guy, older guy that has been around firearms industry for decades "said" his 320 fired while in the holster laying on a table, with no one touching it. To each his own. I hate that I don't trust it 100% because I like the Sig 320 and it shoots great.
The fact is they knew about the flaw and only after someone gets hurt do they fix it? This sounds like car companies of the late 80s who made cars that when hit on the side would bust into flames. The companies stated if they sell a million and only 100,000 burst into flames then they could live with it. Sig should have pulled the gun in the first place.
I believe it! Just the other day, my Glock 40 jumped out of my holster, ran out my front door, and stole my car!! It happens! The machines are taking over!!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Couldn’t agree more! I’ve had P320 for years. Chambered on 9mm and .357 sig. Never had an accidental discharge. Well, I never carry chambered, which is a whole other discussion.
People get the proper holster, get the proper training and finally keep your finger out of the housing. Remember finger in register until good to go. I have used a 1911 with a trigger pull of 3 pounds in competition for years and have never had a negligent discharges.
Is it possible that the holster ,level 2 or 3 with the locking part inside the trigger is actually pulling the trigger back when it locks, then some form of vibration pulls it the rest of the way and the gun then goes off. Because it seems that this happens when the gun is in these types of holsters.
Great video. I just bought one brand new one yesterday and haven’t shot it yet. When researching holsters, I came across a video of a guy claiming a bench made knife deflected a bullet from his leg during a competition. Definitely scary stuff, but I’m glad I came across this video. With that being said, what is the best holster(s) for a p320?
Any holster that fits your p320 specifically and properly. A good thick kydex that doesn’t give or worp. We like “we the people holsters” but there are local shops that will make custom holsters that might better suit your body time or desired carry position. Ensure that it has good retention but make sure the holster doesn’t compress into the trigger well too much and make contact with the trigger itself.
the modern survivalist will show and tell you the problem with the fire control unit sig gave themselves a bad rep by blaming owners instead of addressing the problem example at a gun store a man said he hated glocks but would carry one over a sig 320
Yes it does... cannot have that many reports of all sectors and skill levels of it firing when holstering, and not have the same reports of all other guns. Heck I won't even pick up mine, like a rattlesnake ready to bite
Lmao what are you talking about. Half of these ND's are user error.... don't remember when PD's had the same issue when they first integrated glocks? You really think a PD is going to take the blame for an ND....? Hell no. Some dude has a video on here saying he almost shot his own leg... and then contacted sig and sig admitted there was a problem? You think Sig would tell some random person that?
I'm sorry but this is hilarious to me I bought a P320 two days ago. I didn't know about the "issues" I tinkered with the gun doing dry fires and what not and it dawned on me that this gun is super dangerous. It has a death trigger and no safety anywhere. That trigger barely moves before you hit the wall, and it takes barely any effort to make it click. That trigger is no joke. I was contemplating this gun and I'm now hearing hordes of people have shot themselves claiming the gun fires on its own. It's that Death Trigger 100%... I call this gun The Widowmaker 🤣
So, changing the mass of the trigger was just a band aid that didn't really fix the underlying problem. It just slightly lessens the problem. Well documented unintentional discharges are not "myths". By all means, keep buying this gun. I have no interest in such a thing.
they should collect the firearms of all the people in the lawsuit and see if they can recreate the issue. with 20ish guns they should certainly be able to do it at least once right? Otherwise im more leaning to the 20 people dont know wtf they are doing camp of thought
I tend to agree. And the other thing is that it is not as if SIG only sold a few hundred of these pistols. I’d like to know how many thousands of P320s SIG has sold; it’s got to be a lot and very close to Glock’s annual sales. My point is that when you make so much of a product, some will inevitably find their way to people who don’t use them correctly or who pair them with flawed equipment. Whether the most recent alleged uncommanded discharges are due to user error, equipment error, or a gun-related issue, I don’t know, but I suspect that the number of users supposedly encountering these issues based on the total number of P320s produced is statistically negligible and likely suggests that it is not a gun/design issue.
I never have had a ounce of problems with my 320 Compact, Wilson Compact, New Treaded Barrel, Romero Zero 2, Optic, Trigger Work done to achieve 2.5 Lbs. Pull Weight. Lighter Recoil Spring. I don’t carry it I shoot with it at the Indoor Range, Also at our Outside Range, but it’s Michigan so we just got Snow so until it warms up some I won’t be shooting outdoors. I shoot primarily at Shooting USA in Macomb Shout out to them.
Seems to me that there must be something to all of this because there are literally hundreds of people including law enforcement officers that claim this model of SIG has fired without command. I don't know what the answer is for all of this and I don't think pointing fingers is going to solve it but with the amount of instances of this happening I think it would be irresponsible and possibly very dangerous for SIG to not launch an investigation to figure it out.
They already did. There was a drop fire problem with the P320. They fixed it for new models. I genuinely don't understand what this video is even about, Sig admitted the problem.
Sig corrected this and people stil find a reason to complain . Literally one of the best handguns on the market . I'll argue that daily . So comfortable in the hands.
I thought that how the hell is a gun going to walk down the streets and just randomly shoot someone how ? Lol 😝 I’m all in on buying one now 🎉 SIG 320 I love THE WITH A BRITISH ACCENT VOICE 😂😂😂
Over 20 people in lawsuit saying the gun went off on its own, most LE I think, let's say 10 are poor gun handling practices..that leaves 10 too many going off on there own
Here's the real issues guys. We can argue until the cows come home as to potential flawed design and/or poor QC. The fact is, something is going on. I sold all my P320s for peace of mind and I thought the gun was a fantastic shooter, but at the end of the day why take a chance no matter how unlikely. We have so many other options of amazing pistols: Walther PDP, HK VP9, CZP10F, Glock Gen 5, Steyr L9A2, FN509. Even if the accidental discharge rate on the P320 is 0.01% or 0.001% that statistic isn't going to help you if you are the one that ends up blowing a hole in your leg. Go get another gun and carry with confidence. And for you people saying to carry with a round unchambered well that is just retarded and defeats the entire reason to carry a striker fired pistol in the first place. You are putting yourself at risk of not being able to win a defensive encounter with a round unchambered. You are immediately at a disadvantage over the criminal who is ready to snuff you out.
What a garbage comment this is. No, there is nothing going on, and the video that you wrote this comment on literally goes over what is happening. No, we cannot argue. There is nothing to argue about. The design is fine, the issue is people pulling the trigger when they weren't supposed to, which is inarguable. The design is fine, more than fine in fact. The accidental discharge rate isn't 0.01 or 0.001, it is closer to 0.0000000000000001 and is no different to any other gun. You have a false peace of mind based on a false understanding and poor firearms knowledge and you're tricking yourself into thinking you're being safe. It's like selling your car because sometimes people crash and die when turning the steering wheel into an oncoming tree, and you say "somethings going on".
Ive been carrying the P320 for several years now. It was made after the upgrades were done. Believe me when i say hearing about it going off has had me worried but the more i research it the less worried i get. Those that supposedly went off could have been user error and i guarantee no one will admit that.
Don't be worried. Most of these officers whether they are instructors or not, don't shoot all that often, and in my experience just don't spend enough time with their firearms. It's scary actually how little many cops practice shooting. If it's going off when a cop is reholstering, more often than not, it's his fault, it caught on somethin,g holster issue, clothes issue, NOT the guns fault. They just saw the military requested a saftey, and are using that as proof of "well sig put a safety on the 320 for the military" because they knew the firearm discharges by itself. Bullcrap. Itnwas requested. If the military requests a safety, maybe ALL police departments should be required to have a safety on their hand guns. If they have to shoot someone, in most cases I think they should be trained to operate with a safety anyways. Would stop all these nonsense cases. Cops need more training, even the trainers. See very little military guys shooting themselves. And if they lose this case, I'd like to see sig sue for defamation.
I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THE PROBLEM IS IN THE USERS REMOVING THE FCU TO CLEAN ECT. AND PUTING IT BACK IN MAY CAUSE 5HE PROBLEMS WE ARE SEEING
We all know cops lie more than anyone on the planet. Whatever keeps them out of trouble and not liable. Blame sig for the desk pop!!!
@Corey Sharp yea thats fir sure. Not all of them, but seems to be more and more by the week almost. And it's all about the money. Soon as sig dropped a safety on at the request of the services, these grimy sleaze bags thought they could use it as some bullshit excuse to say their triggers aren't safe. Alot of depts here in mn carry sigs, and alpt of our small town guys spend tons of time training as well, and guess what, Noone is shooting their leg reholstering. Almost 10 outta 10 times if your reholstering your firearm and it goes off, it's your clothing or something catching the trigger. Imo maybe police should be required to have safteys on all their service guns and be forced to train thru having a safety if this is such a concern for these departments. Problem solved. So tired of grimy people trying to make a buck off anything and everything. Maybe they should not be officers if this is so common. Maybe they aren't competent enough to handle a firearm at all. Who the fuck knows. We have cops here in mn grabbing their glocks and dumping rounds into guys because she thought it was a tazor. That's shit training, or she's lying period. We can't have that. It's a stressful ass job, 100% but what helps with that is training, and counciling. End of story. Quit with the cash grabs already.
@@Hustler_state this is why i spend time shooting in my own, although my department we shoot every month
To all the people that believe that the p320 goes off uncommanded….I am open to any factual evidence to support that claim. Not hearsay or “people saw it happen”. I’d like to see it mechanically explained and demonstrated on how the sequence of events led to these discharges. Id like to know how the striker block is being defeated and the sear is releasing the striker WITHOUT the trigger being pulled in any way. Even if a particular part fails, that alone is not enough to conclude that alone led to the discharge. If we are to assume that any one failure can led to the discharge, then all firearms have the potential to discharge uncommanded and this is not just a sig problem. In Reality it would take multiple failures simultaneously to accomplish this, not one alone. As we stated in our video, even if the striker were inadvertently released, the striker block would still have to be disengaged by the trigger. You must still disable the block by PULLING THE TRIGGER. I get that people are in a frenzy about this topic but the bottom line is that no one has been able to definitively show how the discharges are happening. To date there have be no successful lawsuits on this particular issue. All have failed. Despite this people are still hellbent on calling into question the design of the firearm, something that most don’t fully understand the inner workings of anyway. People don’t like to admit when they make mistakes, myself included. This is why these “reports” must be taken with a grain of salt. No one wants to admit they could have caused it whether it’s intentional or not. Anything is possible but I’m all about cold hard facts, not speculation. So that being said, let’s here some real explanations that are objective….
This guy's video just proved that it can happen without pulling the trigger. Sig Sauer themselves inspected his X5 P320 and cleared him of any wrong doing and offered to fix it. He also had many witnesses that took pictures and one witness even signed a documented notarized statement that validates the guy's P320 accidentally discharging without him touching his P320. Even the Range Officer witnessed it right in front of him. Even with Sig Sauer paying millions in lawsuits over AD on the P320, you'll never be satisfied until you literally see it happen right in front of you live. ua-cam.com/video/KaSb_cbMyj8/v-deo.html
If what you say if 100% correct. How come Sig Sauer didn't contact you as their defense attorney or armorer specialist? How come they spend millions and millions of dollars to pay off victims? Who are you to know more about the P320 than Sig Sauer themselves?
Even this guy who just posted on your channel says and I'm re-posting what already typed.
"My early production P320 compact
fired on it's own AFTER the so-called upgrade. The early pistols were rushed to market because Sig was behind the curve on striker fired handguns. The early units should have been recalled and destroyed. Instead, owners (including me) are left with injuries due to the manufacturer's indifference. By the way, I have been handling and firing both long guns and handguns for over 60 years." - RODNEY PREWITT -
This guy just literally had his P320 after the upgrade fire on it's own, a guy who actually owns a P320, not some anti-Sig Glock fanboy, an actually Sig customer who trusted the P320 just explained in plain English what happened to him. And you STILL will not believe him until you actually see his P320 accidentally go off right in front of you. If that's the case , how about you prove us all that his P320 didn't fire on it's own. Let's see how you can prove he's lying and you're not. Sig Sauer can prove you're lying or misinformed because they've paid many victims off with money and offered to fix post upgraded P320 after they've had accidental discharges.
What you fail to realize is that all the safeties on the P320 depend on an independent striker housing system that will not always respond to safeties on the FCU, trigger or upper slide. Look up SIG MECHANICS and watch him remove that metal striker housing assembled and watch him pre set the striker and then releasing it to fire with his bare hands. What makes that dangerous is that the striker can be released without the use of the FCU, trigger or upper slide assembly. Even with a disconnector or even an external safety, the striker is being held by the tiny lever spring and lever bar that need an FCU safety lever, but if that striker lever spring or lever bar should fail, the FCU safety lever is not going to work and the striker pin will release to fire. The only way a P320 is 100% unable to accidentally fire is if you holster it without a round in the chamber. By doing this the striker is not cocked and can't hit a live cartridge, or if it is cocked the striker will just dry fire hitting nothing. The P320 being a single action only striker fire will greatly increase it's accidental discharges because the current safeties are obviously NOT working, if they were, Sig wouldn't have paid so many lawsuits. If the P320 had a 1911/2011 style safeties it would probably work. The Springfield XD has a grip safety and I don't hear anyone having accidental discharges with those that I'm aware of, if there is I'd like to see a link.
Also Sig is famous for it's lack of quality control for well over 15 years. If any of the safety parts are just barely off by even a tiny fragment, the entire P320 safety is compromised. Also the P320 has more moving parts than normal striker fired pistols. The more moving parts, the greater the chances of failures.
The P320 uses a different striker and safety system than the P365, and no ever hears of the P365 having accidental discharges. Ever wonder why? Just because they're both Sigs and striker fired, doesn't mean they're using the same safety systems. Their triggers feel different with the P320 having a short good pull but horrible reset, while the P365 trigger has a crappy long pull but great reset. Every wonder why? I can explain it but I'd first like to hear what Mr. Sig Master has to say about it, lol!
After all that you and others have still failed to explain how the striker block safety is being defeated in all of this. This block prevents the stiker from penetrating the bolt face. The only way to disable it is to pull the trigger. And I don’t have to prove anything to you or anyone else. This is my opinion and I’m entitled to it whether you agree or not. How it works in a courtroom is, the burden of proof falls on the accuser not the other way around. None of what you said is hard fact. It is speculation. None of what you said proves contrary to the fact that the trigger must be pulled to disengage the firing pin block. I don’t how you slice it. You could pick and part of the gun and say it failed, it still don’t answer how it gets past the block without the trigger being pulled and therefore disengaging the block. As much as I love this debate I have to go do more important things, like run my business 😂. Maybe someone else can come debate you after I get off. Don’t forget to his that like and subscribe button!!! Have a good day sir
The more I look into this issue, the more I realize that there’s more to this story than what’s being said. Thank you
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New subscriber. I found your channel because the P320C is my first owned firearms. I'm extremely new. Thank you for this video I heard something about the issue the night I bought it. I feel better now with your explanation and showing how it works. Excellent job! I will be watching more of your content.
Thank you for your service. Watching from Massachusetts.
If you ever think that this maybe an issue, I would suggest looking at a Springfield XDM elite. They have carry and compact models. Not only does it have a trigger safety and a built in drop safety in the slide, it also has a grip safety. So unless it is gripped correctly, it will not fire. Grip safety's have been around for over 100 years and combat proven in the popular 1911 pistol . This can give you piece of mind if you still want that. Springfield XD series grip safety - how does it work - ua-cam.com/video/YqTGtXrJw1A/v-deo.html
XDM Elite - ua-cam.com/video/-8QNtRkk2zM/v-deo.html also ua-cam.com/video/oe8c1FGYyO0/v-deo.html
The 320 is an excellent pistol and completely safe when handled properly. If you'd like to see a great video on the internal workings of all the safeties and how they work, There's a channel called @sigmechanics and look for the P320 safety mechanisms video. Very interesting
@bradskis81 Thank you. Yet again, now another police officer is saying it went off on its own.. I'm truly wondering, are they jumping on the band wagon? Look up p320 police on UA-cam. More have said it just went off in the last ten months. Now I wonder if it's just negligence. I still appendix carry every day. There are no issues so far.
@@AnneMarieBibby1966 Yeah, I saw that one too... But as far as all the other cases, it was found out they were acting negligently and their own unsafe actions caused something to get into the trigger housing and pull the trigger. They don't just "go off" by themselves, something has to pull that trigger back to defeat the striker safety. That lady threw it into her purse unholstered, then tossed her bag around and onto a table. That's just dumb. In another case, the guy wrapped it up in a gym towel unholstered and tossed it around and it went off. Well no shit! As for the most recent one, if you watch the video from the different angles, and look at the stills, the gun is obviously NOT fully seated in its holster. It's sticking way up out of the holster. Then he goes into the scuffle, comes up and into the other officer's duty belt and jams the gun down. Who knows if something fell into the holster, or if something got caught while it was sticking up, or being out of the holster and him jamming it into the other officer's belt, slamming the gun into the holster all crooked... who knows, but it definitely wasn't in a normal or safe state to be getting into scuffels with in that condition. I'm betting that when the investigation concludes, it will have something to do with that gun not being in the holster fully to begin with.
@bradskis81 I appreciate your input. I'm still faily new Nana in training 😂 I'm going to the range still practicing. I always have my safty on, and I'd never just throw it in my purse 🙄
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Thank you for this. This step-by-step explanation is just what I've been looking for. This is very helpful.
Thanks brother very well explained, had mine for 3 years dropped four times it never fired once on impact with floor.
Maybe don't own guns lol.
@@jasonlovi8745 you've never dropped anything in your life?
Toolbag...
Courts ruled on this. No issue. It's just like when Glock came out and it took YEARS for people to realize they aren't invisible to metal detectors like people claimed. Rumors are hard to kill.
Have my p320 for about five years fully loaded and no up grades done and it still has not gone off by itself
I personally love my Sig’s I own the P320 Compact, P365, P365 XL, P365 X Macro, also I am in the Process of Building a Completely After Market 365 XL for Target Shooting Only. But I own one and sometimes Two of Every Pistol that is worth owning. It all Started with The D.C vs Hellas Lawsuit Case in Which Judge Scalia Wrote The Brief Reversing The Brady Bad On AR15 and So On. Rest In Peace The Honorable Judge Scalia.
I am in the camp that believes either user error (the snowstorm vehicle exit discharge in NJ for instance was probably a coat stuck in the holster.) Also people unfamiliar with the firearm (I.e. trained as a glock armorer but trying to work on a Sig) causes the NDs. Thank you for this video.
Even SIG themselves explained in the original instructional manual that if dropped it just like any other firearm has the potential to fire as this should be common sense , but in the modern world . Common sense isn’t so common anymore . As a SIG owner for many many many years I have no complaints of the ergonomics and the overall usability of the firearm .9mm compact p320 user here .
There are numerous videos on YT showing failures of this pistol live on video. I don’t pretend to be a Sig expert not do I plan to ever own one, unless it’s hammer fired. Just my choice. There are way to many options available to risk having a pistol with a potential to fail.
Idk why people get combative and start saying show me how it fails when there’s all types of videos showing them go off by their self.
Link on please
@@ikeo1 just use the search
@@AllThingsLoud_ cant link because it doesn't exist
@@armenchuckthe search button exists. If you really wanted to know the answer to your question, you’d use it instead of trying to argue with a stranger.
SiG themselves said one of the firings was a faulty firing spring... but ya user error...
There's two great videos on how a 320 fires uncommanded. The channel SIG Mechanics has a video titled Striker Safety Disengagement Parameters. The other is Grey Wolf Armory, video titled How Can a P320 Fire Uncommanded. In thie SIG Mechanics video he demonstrates that the trigger only needs to move 1/10th of an inch to disengage the striker safety. In the Grey Wolf Armory video he explains how this minimal trigger movement to disengage the safety is what leads to uncommanded discharges. So the argument is not that the 320 doesnt have a safety. The argument is that a gun with a fully cocked striker, that only reuires 1/10th of an inch to disengage the striker block safety is not safe to carry. Especialy without a trigger safety or manual safety. If a holster is not shaped absolutely perfect then the holster can exert pressure on the side of the trigger and move it rearward. In this scenario the 320 is being carried with the striker safety deactivated. Then just a couple pounds of downward pressure or a blow to the side of the holster causes the holster to exert more force on the trigger and the gun to goes off.
Odd that you list the SIG mechanics videos since the guy who made the videos agrees that it's mechanically impossible to fire "on it's own." He also shows clearly that this 1/10th of an inch you seem to be keen to harp on is actually almost HALF THE DISTANCE TO THE TRIGGER BREAKING.
Allow me to repeat that for you. The 1/10th of an inch (It's actually .9, btw.) is NEARLY HALF THE DISTANCE OF THE ENTIRE TRIGGER PULL BEFORE IT FIRES. So yes, you have to pull the trigger nearly halfway in order to disengage the safeties, at which point the gun can fire.
Tell me again how this is a problem to someone who isn't negligent in handling their weapon, uses the CORRECT holsters that don't pinch the trigger, and has NOT modified the trigger or FCU in any way. Because I certainly don't see the issue.
It appears to only be an issue to John Laws or other people who have a vested interest in NOT being blamed for their own ADs, else they risk losing their jobs and/or certifications.
@@peckrogue that's a long post that means absolutely nothing because you dont have reading comprehension skills. Reread my post again.
@@timrobinson6573 Reread mine. We're not talking about your personal opinion on whether half the trigger pull is too short to be "safe," we're talking about your claim of the firearms firing UNCOMMANDED. Try to keep up.
You're citing a video where the creator of the video shows it CANNOT be fire "uncommanded" and then you claim it shows the opposite. He clearly shows that DOES NOT HAPPEN unless you move the trigger ALMOST HALF WAY. His own comments in the video make it clear that he does not believe they fire on their own, yet you come here and try to use it to support your "uncommanded" firing claim and you emphasize a small number because it sounds bad out of context. That's straight up deceitful.
You're harping on 1/10th of an inch, claiming it's unacceptable without putting your number into context. That .9/10ths of an inch is nearly half the trigger pull. Regardless of whether YOU think that's unacceptable or not, you need to provide full context or it's misleading, as is your claim that the video supports the fact that guns fire on their own. That video does the exact opposite of your claim.
And the full context is that the .9/10ths of an inch is nearly half the travel of the trigger from rest until the break point. That's significant, and you continually omit that fact.
You have an agenda, it's clear. Now, instead of being offended and trying some witty insult, how about you address why you made claims that are easily provable as false, and provide some more solid evidence of these guns firing "uncommanded" as you claim. Becuase the evidence you cited does the opposite.
This guy is a clown and all who liked his comment. All that waste of finger energy typing his bullshit. Im super sure no one can make the gun fire on its own. All bark no bite know hows.
Thats not what they said LOL and what you just said is completely false. How tf did this get 29 likes?
I watched a video where a Sig owner believes the issue can be in the modular firing system. He said something about the trigger not resetting causing accidental discharges. Of course Sig has won all of its previous law suits. Will see how they do in court for this issue. I can't stand Sig Sauer because of its high bore axis. Just not for me
Imo I find ppl that like 1911's gravitate towards sigs because they grip angle is similar.
If you are used to shooting Glocks, you be shooting low on a SIG.
It all comes down to picking a platform and training on it.
I started with a SIG, and find Glocks shoot high for me, but after a few rounds I adjust.
Not ture they lost on there bolt gun lost tht shit miserabley recalls and all
Excellent video explaining the safety features of the P320. I bought one about 2 years ago it was LEO Red Box p320 carry. When I picked up at my FFL I removed the slide to make sure the upgrade was done before we did the transfer, Excellent Pistol, shoots great. I however upgrade the Grip module to a Wilson Combat. Unlike my 3 Glocks that had to have Trigger upgrades to reach my Standard of Excellence.
I'm sure you have a real standard of excellence bud
Big_Al_67
Does the WC grip module come in large, medium and small like the standard Sig grip modules or does WC just have a one size fits all grip module?
@@AR15andGOD lol exactly 😂😂
Glock triggers are fine YOU CANT shoot
Great analysis of the safeties and functionality. Thanks for doing this!
It still doesn’t change the fact that they left out a trigger inertia safety (like every other brand has incorporated) coupled with the fact that rather than having the striker be a half-cock design like a Glock it is a fully cocked striker. And this doesn’t even scratch the surface of some of the design flaws…If you have a FB go check out “sling guy who gives excessively detailed gun advice” he’s done thorough research on this topic and sites all his sources. Sig needs to answer to the problems their gun has been having…and this is coming from a guy who owned an x5 and LOVED it. I ended up trading it and was gonna buy a new one in the future but now I’m seriously holding off on it until sig addresses these issues…
Read what that dude had to say he basically just regurgitated gunghis gears vid even tho he had the incident in 2019 and the Milwaukee pd. Strange, it's only a famously inept pd department having issues.
@@chrisp1601 Right no free lunch on great striker fire trigger less to move means easier fire even when you don't want it to.
I understand where you’re coming from, but to claim that the “fully cocked” design is dangerous is a bit disingenuous: Walther PPQ/PDP, Smith and Wesson m&p, CZ P10, Canik, (the list goes on) all have fully cocked strikers.
One could argue that the short pull on the p320 to defeat the striker safety is an inherently less safe design, but ultimately, I believe that the trigger needs to get pulled for the gun to fire. Whether the pull is intentional or negligent, is a different matter all together.
@@chrisp1601 hey, I've got no brand loyalty, I gravitate towards great shooting pistols, but safety is paramount. However, I'm not seeing compelling evidence that the p320 is inherently a flawed design. (Though I will admit I have placed my p320 on "paid leave" until I can get more information, but I have not sold them yet)
@@Birdisthename LOL, I've been waiting for someone to bring that up. Happy to no longer be living in MKE.
After decades of handling, shooting, cleaning and repairing firearms, I will say that I’ve never encountered a credible report of a firearm just “going off on it’s own”. After tons of hours at multiple ranges teaching people about firearms and watching them handle them, I can also say that I’ve witnessed multiple ad situations both with newbs and very experienced people. Each one that I witnessed was shooter induced (no exceptions). Only a small number of the shooters that I’ve seen recognized that when they had an ad, they caused it. All of the rest claimed that it wasn’t due to anything that they did. While this seems silly, it’s actually a very normal human reaction; it’s learned and reinforced through most of our social interactions. Also, when Glocks came on the scene, lots of people claimed that those guns would “go off on their own” and again that simply wasn’t the reality. This video explains the mechanics of the gun quite correctly and while the people having an ad may not recognize what they did to cause it, they caused it. I’ll also mention something else relevant. Wilson Combat are absolute firearms experts and, arguably, there’s nobody better at it. I do not believe that they would offer P320s IF this was a legitimate issue.
My first pistol was the p320 xcarry, I got it on my 21 birthday in 2019, great pistol no issues. Smoothest shooting gun I own
In my opinion it's operator error.
Good review!!!! I agree that the holsters that the police use are either very cheap, not specifically made for Sig P320 or they're leather, soft and reused previously on other guns. They are trying to blame the manufacturer and try to make mobey out of it.
My P320 has a competition trigger, light and tight and never had any issues with it. People cheap out on everything just to savea buck here and there. It's like cars: they buy nice cars but they put shitty tires on them and the first accident happens, they try to blame the dealer.
Ive had my p320 for about 6months.. still no issues as my edc. But then again i dont keep one in the chamber like most. It shoots to perfection. One of the better option if you want a sig and not pay 700+, especially for the accuracy it has
THANKS for this video!!! I’m so tired of hearing all of the antidotal nonsense stories about how, “it just went off”… I’m the owner of multiple P320’s and P365’s, all have been reliable safe firearms! My first P320 was bought before the original “recall fix” was started. That one was fixed, and over 4 years and over 1000 rds hasn’t had an issue. Also, I’ve haven’t had any problems/concerns with any of my other Sig’s! Your video was an excellent tutorial on the 320’s firing and safety mechanisms! Looking forward to others videos on this channel!🔫👍🏾🇺🇸
I use P320 X5 LEGION for COMPETITION and that's it . I freaking love that PISTOL. I use Shadow Systems for everything else
@@levimaliwauki8 hell of a lot better than trash ass SIG! Unless u carry a 20yr old 226!
I built my P320 X-Carry and I have two slides. One for optics and the other original sights. After watching this... I'm wondering if the original slides were produced before Sig made any corrections. Looks like I'm going to have to contact Sig. Thanks for the info...!
I would hope that the gun doesn't need to be inspected this closely after every thousand rounds. I'm not a Glock fan, but I've heard that they are made to shoot 100,000 rounds without failure. If the Sig P320 has springs that are designed for only 1% of the life of a Glock, that's a serious problem. I wish that these were designed so that regular people could inspect the springs more easily and replace them easily on a regular schedule. I live where I don't have easy access to a gunsmith. If I need to change springs, I'll probably have to do it myself.
Anyone who shoots glock long enough know that number is false. Glocks are not made to go through 100,000 rounds. People break them all the time.
I carry a p320 full size daily, always one in the chamber, never had an issue. I love my sig, my dad wishes he’d got one instead of his glock
Love my 320, haven’t had a single issue out of it , so far I’ve put 5k rounds through my 320 m18 I got bout a month ago an also haven’t had any issues with it so far
Glad I am not the only one who puts thousands of rounds in new guns on the first month 😅
Excellent pistol
@@alexm566 it’s a damn fun gun to shoot that’s 4 sure
Jesus, I've had mine for 4 months and put 100 rounds through it.
The chief of my department took the 320 series guns off our list of guns we can carry. I have been carrying my p320 xcarry for just over a year, appendix carry, and never had the gun go off. I now use it as a bedside gun and still have never had the gun go off in the holster. The lawsuits are so dumb. They never talk about what holsters were being used nor what the officers were doing when the gun goes off. Its all user error
what about the guy on u tube that was shooting in a comp with his x5 legion he loaded it made ready by putting it in his holster put his hands on his head and it just went off nothing touching it hands were on his head sig said it was a broken striker spring the spring failed and set off a round so all the other safeties r meaningless if the striker spring itself fails like iv always thought its never been the trigger mass issue its always been the striker spring failing because it has to fall at a certain angle on the bevertail to make it go off but if u hit it with a mallot nose facing down to the ground hanging over a rail for safety obviously they will disharge proven in vids also so can u elaborate on this please and yes i love this firearm i have four of them not knocking it at all just trying to make it even safer for all to carry!!!
There is video of a guy complaining that his sig p320 fired without him pulling the trigger. There is just not any video of it actually happening. If you have knowledge of or video of a p320 going off without being manipulated, please send it to me. And not the old, drop at certain angles videos. Thanks so much..👍
Yes like I said, I think it’s a firing pin problem not a trigger problem. I don’t know if it is because it was worn out from so many rounds been put through it or what but yes, it does go off by itself like I said, I own four of them. I love them. I’ve never had an issue with them. Three of them of the original ones that had the issue. Apparently my newest one is an M 18. I haven’t had a problem with any of them, and two of them have well over a few thousand rounds through them so I honestly don’t know what the issue is but there obviously is an issue. I’m just trying to make them safer. Hopefully other people will keep looking into this anyway one day it will happen.
I have and carry a XCARRY. One thing I notice is it seems Sig tried to emulate a single action trigger. And I noticed no other manufacturer has tried the whole removable fire control unit thing. Perhaps that's not the best thing in the world.
The removable fire control unit concept is nothing new. The Chinese have been doing it since 1998 with the Norinco CF 98 that is basically the Chinese army's side arm for over 2 decades.
@@Jarrow13 In addition, the IWI Masada and the Arex striker pistols have removable chassis.
The modular FCU helped them win the US military contract. One FCU, Multiple hand grips to fit more hands compared to Glocks One Size 21.5 degree grip angle.
@@big_al_674 I understand that part, I have one. My point was maybe that has something to do with it's function. And my other point is if it's such a great idea, why isn't anyone else doing it? My Grayguns grip module and the factory module are pretty flimsy compared to my other frames. I also think they tried to simulate a single action trigger, and maybe that has something to do with it too. Still carrying mine for now, it was made in mid 2019. But may just carry something else here soon. I don't know what to believe.
@@chrissmith-rv5ro I have several Glocks g19 g26 g34 won't carry them they all have trigger upgrades. Just picked a G43x mos I'll probably carry that, also have Shield arms 15rnd mags for it
Well gee wiz. Thanks for explaining how a striker fired pistol works.
What YOU don't understand, is TOLERANCE STACKING resulting in MINIMAL sear striker engagement..and the fact that THERE IS NOTHING STOPPING THE TRIGGER FROM MOVING REARWARD AND DEACTIVATING THE STRIKER BLOCK UNDER INERTIAL FORCE SUCH AS WHEN DROPPED IS THE REASON WHY THIS PISTOL ISNT DROP SAFE..
sig put a bandaid on this by installing a trigger with LIGHTER MASS thus having less POTENTIAL INERTIAL ENERGY when dropped..
But what sig DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR was that light trigger may not have enough mass to generate enough inertia to move the trigger rearward when the SPRINGS ARE NEW , but once springs break in they lose tension.. as the SPRING THAT RETURNS AND HOLDS THE TRIGGER FORWARD BREAKS IN AND LOSES TENSION, THIS HAS THE SAME EFFECT AS ADDING MASS TO THE TRIGGER ( in a drop or impact scenario)
That's why there was a resurgence of accidental discharges when dropped or impacted on the rear of the slide AFTER the " voluntary upgrade"....
When a p320 trigger moves to the rear SLIGHTLY that's enough to disengage the striker block.. the striker block disengages at the VERY BEGINNING OF THE THE TRIGGER PULL.. vs on a pistol such as an m&p , the striker block isn't disengaged untill the trigger has traveled rearward a greater distance than that of the sig..
When you couple that, with the fact there is nothing blocking the trigger from moving rearward under the inertia of a drop/impact event, you have a recipe for disaster , especially if you happen to have a pistol that has tolerances on opposite ends of acceptable..
There is a reason striker fired pistols have a TRIGGER BLOCK.. there is a reason striker fired pistols striker block safety don't disengage AS SOON AS THE TRIGGER MOVES REARWARD.
Its because there is a chance of drop/impact safety issues..
Striker fired pistol triggers will never have custom 1911 trigger feel .. sig went too far trying to accomplish this . They pushed the bounds of safety too far and then on top of that, they didn't acknowledge it , then when they did they didn't own it .
A full recall should have been issued. And at the very least a polymer trigger with a trigger blade safety installed..
In my opinion the platform needs to be redesigned in a manner that requires the trigger to travel further rearward before the striker block is disengaged. Also there should be more sear , striker lug engagement to account for tolerance stacking.. and also a lightweight polymer trigger with blade installed..
Good video and I tend to agree with you regarding the holsters not properly fitting, that’s why I got an holster off sig’s website for my x-Ten
Good video. I love my P320 and despite these stories I would never get rid of it.
Same here.
"stories" 😂😂😂
@@austinm3377 please share a video with any proof of a P320 going off on its own... I'll wait.
They are videos of the new updated ones going off I can’t remember the name of the video but it happened at a competition a guy got done with his run holsters the gun and takes one step and it goes off , type in sig going off at a match it will probably come up this just happened a couple of months ago to, I not bashing on sig I’m a sig fan I’ve got 3 sig and I really like them but they are a lot of valid proof out there about these guns going of even after the update just do some research and u will find it
@@buddysumner4022 yes I can recall him saying that but yet again there wasn't a video of it happening. If its happening where is a single video so that it can be analyzed?
There is a video on line of a Milwaukee WI. Police offer exiting the passenger side of his squad car. He holding a package in both hands. He takes two steps and his 320 discharges in the holster. Another officer has his 320
Discharging in the holster while running up a flight of stairs.
Those were probably the older models.
My early production P320 compact
fired on it's own AFTER the so-called upgrade. The early pistols were rushed to market because Sig was behind the curve on striker fired handguns. The early units should have been recalled and destroyed. Instead, owners (including me) are left with injuries due to the manufacturer's indifference. By the way, I have been handling and firing both long guns and handguns for over 60 years.
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You are full of crap. Just admit you screwed up, and move along. Matter of fact, recreate it on a video, and we might believe it.
Bullshit
@@gunsquawk4443 I feel sorry for the nonbelievers. It happens and unfortunately you and others are unwilling to accept that fact. Why in Hell would I want to do a video replay to convince a moron that something happened?
Interesting how Tactical High Heels didn't pin your comment. I guess it's because the truth doesn't sit well with him :)
I've carried a 320 now for almost 5 years. Have more then a couple different models of them also. I have dropped them every which way possible and it's never went off. I've appendix carried it for the same amount of time. Anyone who says they go off by their own is a fool or a cop who plays with their guns too much and need an excuse because they messed up.
Milwaukee PD have parking lot footage of it going off in an officers holster. Third Incident for that department, first one caught on footage. They have now removed them from service.
The only thing you get when you buy a sig is membership in sig's research & development department .
Bottom line there are pistols out there without these questions and bad quality control history. It’s a no for me.
Checking out a working running firearm does nothing! You have to inspect the ones that went off.
That is exactly our point…the gun will not just go off if all parts are in working order. If failures of different parts caused it then fine but none of these instances that were in these stories and lawsuits demonstrated how these discharges happened. No explanation other than “someone heard this or that” This same thing happened in the 80s about glocks just going off on their own. There were over a 100 lawsuits but nobody talks about it because it was a long time ago and people were not as informed due to lack of access to the internet. When ever there is a new product there will be people saying there is something wrong with it. I don’t see the concrete evidence to say what people are saying if fact at this point.
@@aquilaarsenal
Nothing more than Internet hearsay, fear mongering garbage! One guy says that he saw, was told, or heard, and the next thing you know it's parroted all over UA-cam as indisputable truth.
I've got a P320 XTEN coming in a few days. I'll let you know if it decides to jump up and shoot me while I'm making a target change. I heard on UA-cam that happened to some dude, somewhere who somehow forgot to clear the gun before he started downrange. 🙄
I have an EDC 320 carry been carrying it since day one and never had an issue, but then I clean my weapon weekly
0:40 I wouldn't consider the unrevised trigger causing it to fire when dropped at a specific angle to be an ND. This is one of the few cases of an actual accidental discharge and not a negligent one. And if you consider dropping your gun to be negligence, I don't agree with that. Modern firearms are not supposed to fire when dropped. In fact, if a gun safety class covers what to do when a gun is dropped, they will teach you to let it fall. It is far too easy to inadvertently get a finger inside the trigger guard while attempting to catch a falling gun.
I have Glocks, CZ, Walthers, M&Ps and Sigs 3 p320s and p365 and 365xmacro. Ive never had a major problem with any gun I own. I carry every day. But I also have appropriate holsters, clean and maintain them and use factory new ammo. If its not a life or death situation Im extremely careful drawing and reholstering my weapons. ND happen all the time with Law enforcement and armed security. With many different kinds of handguns. This has blown up because of the former drop safe issues. Its easier to blame the gun then take ownership and possibly lose your career.
they should have kept the hammer on like the original model or start from scratch. They did took half measures and caused all theses issues, they could have at least put a safety blade on the trigger
Dude you nailed this explanation,you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning on you're way to collect you're lottery winnings.
There's a video of an officer getting out of his squad car (with his hands empty) and the P320 discharging in the holster. Feel free to look it up. Where's there smoke there's fire. It's also happened to UA-camr Gunghis_Khan during a competition: ua-cam.com/video/FBjo62vSYZk/v-deo.html
I have a sig p320 x5 and trust it completely. The trigger is kind of scary sweet but If you are careful and have a good holster you shouldn’t have anything to worry about.
What date did SIG Start shipping pistols after the upgrade, modification, seance, whatever ??
Several guys I know went to the range and beat the snot out of theirs with primer only loaded case and couldn't get them to discharge. I have the M18 and haven't fired it yet.
Many comments here about the person shooting a P320X-five during a match. ua-cam.com/video/FBjo62vSYZk/v-deo.html
I watched the video a couple of times. Take note that at 4:11 of the video he shows his holster. It only took me a second time to realize it you got a P320 DO NOT USE A BLADE TECH HOLSTER. The holster pushes in around the trigger guard, that could create a impingment on the trigger shoe causing a discharge of the weapon.
Just found out about all this a few days ago. I pulled my striker assembly out and sure enough my striker return spring was broken and the two pieces were threaded together. My hypothesis is that in the uncommanded discharges, that spring has been broken into smaller pieces and the fragments migrated into the sear and into the striker block safety. It would be a tiny chance of that happening just perfectly to cause the failure of all the safeties resulting in a discharge, but through the sheer volume of p320s out there, anything that could happen probably will. The good news is, all that spring does is move the firing pin out of the breach during cycling. That's it. The pistol functions 100% without it and using snap caps will help buffer any wear during dry fire. The whole striker assembly is supposed to be replaced at 20k cycles. That spring failed in my gun around 6K cycles, most of those being dry fire. I did not replace that little spring, and I am paying more attention to my sear and striker assembly when I am cleaning. As long as those parts are moving freely and not bound up, there is no way for the gun to fire without a trigger press.
Nah, unless you got pics or a youtube video explaining this "broken spring"...your story is possibly made-up also.
@@aishefasani5635 lol. ok. where do you want me to send you the picture of the broken spring? got an email or something? I emailed Sig and got a response as well. Also I bought 3 replacement springs, still have them. I decided not to replace it though. So. you wanna buy three springs?
I wish they would of developed it from the ground up to be striker fire, instead of converting Sig 250 to be striker fired.
I have yet to see a video of a p320 actually going off in the holster.
@@1911bg
look at around the 1:18 mark
. Gun goes off in holster while exiting vehicle
ua-cam.com/video/HODW0F4eXmo/v-deo.html&ab_channel=WISN12News
@@fkrr5 I will have to look at it on a bigger screen.
I can not see it fire on my phone.
I am a Sig fan/supporter since the 80’s. There have simply been too many accidental discharges in various states and even countries that I can not currently trust this firearm. I want to buy one, but won’t until I’m sure this issue has been corrected.
Have you googled glock accidental discharges before? If not you should. This isn't sig specific, this is every manufacture that a local pd carries. Whether glock or sig or whatever. If 320s went off sitting in the holster on the truck seat my itself I'd be worried. It's always upon a rwholster. And the new argument the lawyers are using is the safteys the gov requested for the m17s the army has. They say that proves sig has an issue. Well it proves nothing accept the army wants their guys to carry with a safety, and if they do, maybe all pds should as well. Not hard to train thru with a safety. They just don't want to spend that extra 10mins it would take every week to get even slightly more competent. I promise if these pds swapped over to glock, within a few years, we would be right back in this scenario, accept seeing it be a glock. And seems like it's alot of east coast officers. Why is that? Do we have the officers weights, years on duty, how much training they have had with sig, a bit of their past history whether they've been disciplined for this or that. The one guy trained officers I saw, how Long was he shooting a 320, what holster was he using, what were the exact circumstances shirt he was wearing, ammo they had in the firearms, there's so much to ask here. I just feel like they are chasing a payday here. They know sig has been innovating this past 5 10yrs, and getting some huge contracts with the government, and I think the lawyers see this as an easy way to just have sig settle the suits. They won't call out the officers as being negligent, sig knows better than that, and have too much repscet for that job, easier to throw out a settlement. But if sig wanted to get down and really show negligent discharges I'm sure they could. I think if so many officers just can't safely carry a 320, them have them swap over to glock, or have em run a m17 with the safety if they want to be actually certain this won't happen. That's the only for sure way. A manual safety, then everytime they reholster a safety is being turned on. Without it, you'll always have these guys randomly saying the gun went off, whether it's sig glick cz whatever. Google glock accidental discharges. Now Google any pistol from 10yrs back without a manual safety a guy could carry and accidental discharge. You'll see case after case.
Cops have alot of crap around them at all times. I'm pretty sure these NDs are accidentally pulling the trigger, getting the trigger hung up in jacket zippers, elastic pull cords, seat belts etc.
Also cops are not trained much at all in proper gun handling. Most qualify once or twice a year then don't touch the gun after that.
You don’t think the fact that they are the only striker fired pistols without a trigger safety is an issue here? How come Sig is the only one?
@@kilomike5788 did you even watch the video? lol we said in the video that all they had to do is add a trigger shoe safety and none of this would be an issue….
Sig is just like "you were made with two nuts whats the problem of you loose one!??"
Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debased degradation that we Americans cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? - Patrick Henry 1788
The only ones I've ever seen them have an ND, is in when they are beating them with a rubber hammer or they're a doing something of that nature to the gun, in which there's lots of guns out there if you beat them with rubber mallet they'll go off, if you hold them just right.
Especially a striker fired pistol
Check out Bald&curious youtube channel he did a video trying to have his 320 with a modified trigger fail.
Striker fired. Always cocked. I'll stick with my colt, series 80....thumb safety.
Best hand gun I’ve ever handle and shot. Lots of people complaining about drop fire. If you drop a gun and it somehow goes off???? It’s user err nothing more.
A cupl guys made videos of their sigs goin off in their holsters, he has it on camera during a competition
Can you please send me actual real time footage of a p320 going off by itself? I must see this in action.
@@michaelphillips5786 do you own research, ask the Milwaukee police department, it happend to like 3 diff officers to, it aint notn new
@@DC4EVAMultiple allegations of guns going off in the same department is not proof that the P320 is flawed. It is definitely worth looking into. Assuming there is no malign intent behind the Milwaukee claims (saying that it went off in the hopes of being compensated in a lawsuit, covering for a friend who had a user-induced negligent discharge, etc.), then there might be something going on with the particular lot of guns issued to that department or perhaps that department trains in such a way that officers have bad habits that lead to negligent discharges or perhaps that department’s gear (namely holsters) are contributing to the alleged discharges, but people are assuming it is gun-related. Again, it is interesting that the department had multiple cases in which officers claim that their P320s fired uncommanded, but that does not mean that there is an issue with their gun and it especially does not mean that it is an issue with every P320 or the design overall. I will, however, continue to monitor the Milwaukee cases and see what comes from them.
No, he didn't. It was years after it actually happened, no video of the incident.
My p320 goes off All The Time...
*When I BLAST IT....!!!* 💥💥🤙
Remember when the exact same debate was happening with the g19, or the m9? Me either.
Glocks just explode.
Pepperidge farm remembers Glock leg and the gen1 and gen2 Glock 6 parts upgrade.
The fact that this video even exists, tells me not to buy the P320. You don’t hear about Glocks or even a Taurus doing this.
If there is even the slightest question that a gun will fire on its own, it’s a hard pass.
This video exists because most people hear rumors or inconclusive information and take it as fact. Also Glock faced the same exact controversy when it was first released and also was sued much more than sig for the same supposed issue. Shall you give Glock a “hard pass” then since at one time their products were in question?
excellent explanation.... gun doesn't go off unless. trigger is pulled
I think just about all of these reports are explainable,not the guns fault. Who knows if some people put harsh chemicals or smoosh grease into the mechanism. I bought a used S&W semi -auto pistol and it had what looked like wheel bearing grease all over the trigger mechanism,all dried and caked.
I’ve always loved Sigs but this one won’t be in my Arsenal. The videos are definitely out there. And if a gun is that holster finicky then I don’t want it. Almost sounds like the 1911 back in the day when you were told to try chip McCormick mags and if that didn’t work try this mag. Nope. Sig is now facing a huge lawsuit and I think this time they failed.
Do you have links or ways to direct viewers to the videos of the P320s discharging uncommanded? I asked because you stated that “The videos are definitely out there” and I’d like to check them out.
Sig has won all 6 cases. The newest lawsuit was also submitted by the same guy who lost the other 6 cases. It's not a big deal and far from a "large lawsuit". Sig will win with ease, as they have with the previous 6 cases lol.
I'm sorry but this is hilarious to me
I bought a P320 two days ago. I didn't know about the "issues"
I tinkered with the gun doing dry fires and what not and it dawned on me that this gun is super dangerous. It has a death trigger and no safety anywhere. That trigger barely moves before you hit the wall, and it takes barely any effort to make it click. That trigger is no joke. I was contemplating this gun and I'm now hearing hordes of people have shot themselves claiming the gun fires on its own.
It's that Death Trigger 100%... I call this gun The Widowmaker 🤣
@@outlawgt3045 what you just described is not a p320
@@taylorhession1905 You must not have one because I have one and I described exactly what it is
Look in my videos.. You trying to say I don't own one
Compared to every gun I have, the P320 is a hair trigger with no safety. And there's almost no play in the trigger before it clicks.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. I own the guns. You don't.
Something isn’t right with it in my opinion.
It’s a nice pistol, but I will never own one because of the issues, even if they say it’s fixed.
Sounds like you believe everything you read on the internet. I’ll bet you’ve never seen any video evidence of it going off by itself
I mean not everyone has video camera pointed at their gun 24/7 not trying to argue but the chances of a smallish number of reports of failure prolly won’t be caught on video
You don’t get out much do you? Anytime you go in public your on camera. Just like the cop who said it went off in his holster without touching the trigger later it was found he pulled the trigger while re holstering. Everyone has a phone in todays world for most part your telling me they don’t have cameras ? It’s really naive to Believe people don’t have access to cameras in todays tech world.
You’re not very bright are you ?
I carry a 365XL daily and trust it without question, I have a 320 X-Full that I cleaned and put back in the box because I don't trust it! I have owned Glocks since the early 90's and S&W M&P's since they were first introduced, never questioned any of those multiple pistols I own.
I carry a P365XL as well. I absolutely trust it and have never had a second of doubt.
With that said, whether the stories of the P320 are real or not, it has prevented me from buying one.
@@levimaliwauki8 - Apparently there is something different if 320's have had issues, but 365's have not. My 365XL has a manual safety. I trained with and carried a 1911 for many years, I have no problem with a manual safety pistol.
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Another guy, older guy that has been around firearms industry for decades "said" his 320 fired while in the holster laying on a table, with no one touching it. To each his own. I hate that I don't trust it 100% because I like the Sig 320 and it shoots great.
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this is not entirely true. the sear and the internal safeties are not the same between the 320 and 365
I wonder why sig doesnt add a trigger safety like many striger fired guns have
The fact is they knew about the flaw and only after someone gets hurt do they fix it? This sounds like car companies of the late 80s who made cars that when hit on the side would bust into flames. The companies stated if they sell a million and only 100,000 burst into flames then they could live with it. Sig should have pulled the gun in the first place.
I believe it! Just the other day, my Glock 40 jumped out of my holster, ran out my front door, and stole my car!! It happens! The machines are taking over!!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Did you get the car back?
It’s the same with S&W.
I’ve got an unmodified pre-scare 320.
No problems.
PERSONALLY I BELIEVE WHERE THE PROBLEM IS WHEN PEOPLE REMOVE THE FCU TO CLEAN AND IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THIS COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS LIKE WE ARE SEEING
You would have to completely disassemble and reassemble the FCU incorrectly for it to be a danger. So no, that is not a problem.
Couldn’t agree more! I’ve had P320 for years. Chambered on 9mm and .357 sig. Never had an accidental discharge. Well, I never carry chambered, which is a whole other discussion.
cant have an ND if there is nothing to D can you
@@bengonzalez5215 wow. Smarter than the average , aren’t you?
So your post is moot given you never have a round chambered. JFC.
People get the proper holster, get the proper training and finally keep your finger out of the housing. Remember finger in register until good to go. I have used a 1911 with a trigger pull of 3 pounds in competition for years and have never had a negligent discharges.
Is it possible that the holster ,level 2 or 3 with the locking part inside the trigger is actually pulling the trigger back when it locks, then some form of vibration pulls it the rest of the way and the gun then goes off. Because it seems that this happens when the gun is in these types of holsters.
Great video. I just bought one brand new one yesterday and haven’t shot it yet. When researching holsters, I came across a video of a guy claiming a bench made knife deflected a bullet from his leg during a competition. Definitely scary stuff, but I’m glad I came across this video. With that being said, what is the best holster(s) for a p320?
Any holster that fits your p320 specifically and properly. A good thick kydex that doesn’t give or worp. We like “we the people holsters” but there are local shops that will make custom holsters that might better suit your body time or desired carry position. Ensure that it has good retention but make sure the holster doesn’t compress into the trigger well too much and make contact with the trigger itself.
@@aquilaarsenal thanks! Subbed
the modern survivalist will show and tell you the problem with the fire control unit sig gave themselves a bad rep by blaming owners instead of addressing the problem example at a gun store a man said he hated glocks but would carry one over a sig 320
Thanks for taking the time to make this video 👍
What seems more likely, a specific gun had failures to ONLY cops, or a couple cops are irresponsible? Ahkams razor
The current lawsuit involves cops/civilians in multiple states across the nation.
It's Occam's, btw.
@@socmonki ha ha ha holy shit. I actually knew that. I don't know why my brain stopped working. Thanks though
@@920WASHBURN it happens from time to time LOL
Biggest problem is doing Sig video on Glock mat :)
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I’m so tired of hearing “Sig Fanboy” and “Glock Fanboy” 🤦🏻♂️
Yes it does... cannot have that many reports of all sectors and skill levels of it firing when holstering, and not have the same reports of all other guns. Heck I won't even pick up mine, like a rattlesnake ready to bite
Lmao what are you talking about. Half of these ND's are user error.... don't remember when PD's had the same issue when they first integrated glocks? You really think a PD is going to take the blame for an ND....? Hell no.
Some dude has a video on here saying he almost shot his own leg... and then contacted sig and sig admitted there was a problem? You think Sig would tell some random person that?
I'm sorry but this is hilarious to me
I bought a P320 two days ago. I didn't know about the "issues"
I tinkered with the gun doing dry fires and what not and it dawned on me that this gun is super dangerous. It has a death trigger and no safety anywhere. That trigger barely moves before you hit the wall, and it takes barely any effort to make it click. That trigger is no joke. I was contemplating this gun and I'm now hearing hordes of people have shot themselves claiming the gun fires on its own.
It's that Death Trigger 100%... I call this gun The Widowmaker 🤣
So, changing the mass of the trigger was just a band aid that didn't really fix the underlying problem. It just slightly lessens the problem.
Well documented unintentional discharges are not "myths".
By all means, keep buying this gun. I have no interest in such a thing.
they should collect the firearms of all the people in the lawsuit and see if they can recreate the issue. with 20ish guns they should certainly be able to do it at least once right? Otherwise im more leaning to the 20 people dont know wtf they are doing camp of thought
I tend to agree. And the other thing is that it is not as if SIG only sold a few hundred of these pistols. I’d like to know how many thousands of P320s SIG has sold; it’s got to be a lot and very close to Glock’s annual sales. My point is that when you make so much of a product, some will inevitably find their way to people who don’t use them correctly or who pair them with flawed equipment. Whether the most recent alleged uncommanded discharges are due to user error, equipment error, or a gun-related issue, I don’t know, but I suspect that the number of users supposedly encountering these issues based on the total number of P320s produced is statistically negligible and likely suggests that it is not a gun/design issue.
I've owned 6? P320's, currently
have a m18..
Never a problem.
I've been carrying my p320 for 6 months now, so far no issues.
I bought my p320 xcompact around July of 2022. Is it the x series that’s apparently had the issues or was it the older make?
Original design had issues
yeah! It's been proven I DONT TRUST THEM 😂😂
I never have had a ounce of problems with my 320 Compact, Wilson Compact, New Treaded Barrel, Romero Zero 2, Optic, Trigger Work done to achieve 2.5 Lbs. Pull Weight. Lighter Recoil Spring. I don’t carry it I shoot with it at the Indoor Range, Also at our Outside Range, but it’s Michigan so we just got Snow so until it warms up some I won’t be shooting outdoors. I shoot primarily at Shooting USA in Macomb Shout out to them.
The Romero optic more effective against zombies?
Is Shooting USA a DNR range....I'm metro Detroit too. Hard to find a good outdoor range.
@@PyreleafIt glows when they're in proximity, like an LOTR Orc blade.
Sig should have done what most others do, put the thingy on the trigger.
Seems to me that there must be something to all of this because there are literally hundreds of people including law enforcement officers that claim this model of SIG has fired without command. I don't know what the answer is for all of this and I don't think pointing fingers is going to solve it but with the amount of instances of this happening I think it would be irresponsible and possibly very dangerous for SIG to not launch an investigation to figure it out.
The term "glock leg" comes to mind here.
They already did. There was a drop fire problem with the P320. They fixed it for new models. I genuinely don't understand what this video is even about, Sig admitted the problem.
@@catch40507 The video isn't about the drop firing. It's about them supposedly firing in the holster, etc.
You earned your self a lifetime subscriber 🔥💪🏾🇺🇸 Respect the thorough breakdown of this topic.
Some people just don't want to hear the truth, and instead continue to cling to the myth.
Sig corrected this and people stil find a reason to complain . Literally one of the best handguns on the market . I'll argue that daily . So comfortable in the hands.
Pure nonsense. The issues continued after they "corrected this".
I thought that how the hell is a gun going to walk down the streets and just randomly shoot someone how ? Lol 😝 I’m all in on buying one now 🎉 SIG 320 I love THE WITH A BRITISH ACCENT VOICE 😂😂😂
Great break down. Much thanks .
Over 20 people in lawsuit saying the gun went off on its own, most LE I think, let's say 10 are poor gun handling practices..that leaves 10 too many going off on there own
Here's the real issues guys. We can argue until the cows come home as to potential flawed design and/or poor QC. The fact is, something is going on. I sold all my P320s for peace of mind and I thought the gun was a fantastic shooter, but at the end of the day why take a chance no matter how unlikely. We have so many other options of amazing pistols: Walther PDP, HK VP9, CZP10F, Glock Gen 5, Steyr L9A2, FN509. Even if the accidental discharge rate on the P320 is 0.01% or 0.001% that statistic isn't going to help you if you are the one that ends up blowing a hole in your leg. Go get another gun and carry with confidence. And for you people saying to carry with a round unchambered well that is just retarded and defeats the entire reason to carry a striker fired pistol in the first place. You are putting yourself at risk of not being able to win a defensive encounter with a round unchambered. You are immediately at a disadvantage over the criminal who is ready to snuff you out.
What a garbage comment this is. No, there is nothing going on, and the video that you wrote this comment on literally goes over what is happening. No, we cannot argue. There is nothing to argue about. The design is fine, the issue is people pulling the trigger when they weren't supposed to, which is inarguable. The design is fine, more than fine in fact. The accidental discharge rate isn't 0.01 or 0.001, it is closer to 0.0000000000000001 and is no different to any other gun. You have a false peace of mind based on a false understanding and poor firearms knowledge and you're tricking yourself into thinking you're being safe.
It's like selling your car because sometimes people crash and die when turning the steering wheel into an oncoming tree, and you say "somethings going on".