Paladin and Shaman are definitely the two most boring classes in the game, with Priest and Warlock following right behind. Easy as hell to play though, you only need a handful of buttons and you can pretty much manage anything due to their armor and healing. Hell, run one as Prot with a bit in holy for uninterrupted heals and you are pretty much unstoppable. You can basically run into a group or 4-5 mobs with a shield and the mobs will all die by the time your at half health then you heal, drink, and repeat. It's like mage AOE grinding but easier due to plate armor, an equipped shield, and not needing to kite. The only issue with paladins is their low damage and relatively low health pool compared to Warriors and Druids but their armor is spectacular and their AOE is better than Warriors and Druids. Their single target damage is complete shit though, probably the worst in the entire game but you'll never die unless you fall asleep while playing or fall off a cliff while afk-running only to alt/tab back and your character is a ghost.
They also get a unique skill in Hardcore, if you are in a party and dont feel to play hardcore anymore you can use "divine intervention" wich applies a bubble for 3 min on an ally and you can transfer to a non hardcore server with a free transfer.
Remember that bubble hearth will be disabled on the official HC realms as well. - "Paladins will not be able to use their Hearthstone while under the effects of Blessing of Protection, Divine Protection, or Divine Shield on Hardcore realms."
@@DrPluton Bubble + hearth was the only major advantage Paladin had. 1.12 Paladin trees were pretty rough and made the class play more as a support role and shine in a group setting. Considering Hardcore primarily a solo game mode, if you choose Paladin, you will be slower than other classes and probably burn out before you die.
Bro. Bring Kargoz back. Man deleted his whole channel because some shitty drama farmer made a whole ass 45 minute video about some (very)minor misdeeds.
@@systemabc3989alexsensual is a schizophrenic alt right individual who happens to also make videos on conspiracies and happenings in WoW. Dude is fried and also a giant loser.
Personally I was surprised how quick paladin levelling was. It seems hybrid classes are just great for levelling imo. Both druid and shaman were super fast for me too. Maybe not the most exciting, but man, theyre good in HC.
Ya if you play like a normal human being and aren't min maxing the christ out of everything the difference in leveling speeds is not terribly different (bm hunter being the exception I think.)
Oddly, for me Fury Warrior was the easiest class/spec for me to hit 60 in classic hc and it wasn't even close. Not sure why but I had very few close calls and I levelled fast due to getting good green drops regularly.
I had no idea what I was doing as a paladin back in 2005. I ended up playing a hybrid holy/retribution talent setup so that I could pick up Consecration and Holy Shock and do a decent job of healing dungeons. It wasn't as fast as heavy retribution, but it was very hard to die.
That's the great thing about pally and hybrids (shammy, dru) in general. You can make a lot of different stuff while leveling and most of it will be at least 'ok'.
It was one of the original variations of shockadin I used to play it need a lot of hybrid gear like caster jewelry and back and as many int/str/crit items you could find. Was also a trinket from aq 40 that you could 100-0 people with a stun command judge exorcism trinket sor aa then how... oh classic pvp
As a Disc priest main it’s always fun getting to heal paladins as tanks and as off tanks (yep, had a few instances where the Ret needed to tank damage) when in dungeons because I can give them the priest bubble!
During Classic, I leveled my Paladin to 60 and also watched almost the entirety of 30 Rock. Find something that's an easy watch and there's a lot of it
@@brandonkruse6412They where worse than classic before they got a complete re-design last patch (First time in the history of the game i have seen a class completely get reworked mid expansion because it was actually so fucking bad)
When they play tested paladin they found out they had almost nothing to click on, so they decided to make their buffs last only 5 minutes to give them something to do.
I've played up to cat as a pali. I played on a private server as a pali. Pali is my favorite class. I can heal and kill shit quickly yes plz. I'm a blood elf fan. I started with BC but I do appreciate a dwarf pali. Classic palis r not the best but they r still my favorite.
I like how the sentiment goes *You must suffer from mental problems if you want to play a paladin* , looking at the way your wrote that it seems accurate to say the least
It's too bad the Deathbone set was terrible. the mp5 never regened enough mana to return more than a judgement by the time the fight was over. Wished it was stam, int and maybe spell damage and healing.
So many people waiting for official HC now. I kind of want to go again but can't be bothered on unofficial era realms now. Actually might go Pala on official. Slow but very durable.
In vanilla you could cast on someone else w/o losing target but it meant hitting the spell then hitting the relevant F key. I healed all sorts of stuff as a pally and never setup mouseovers. I tanked till about 50 bc Sunken Temple was about the limit of where tanking worked out. Did ret in Molten Core, judging on enemies all night. I remember all the casters having wands to regen mana from a judged wisdom
Paladin tanking in Strat UD was decent as well. But yeah, if you were tanking any content at level cap there was a strong possibility you were overgeared and doing it to help someone.
Been waiting for this video. Paladin in classic is an odd class, but its still very fun to play. I’ve picked up WoW again because I’ve been watching your videos and you stated the EU pve cluster was getting a comeback. And yeah!! Leveling might be slow but Im def getting the feeling for the game I fell in love with many years ago. I wont even bother with Wotlk classic or retail. There’s a certain charm over not being able to do whatever you feel like. Currently leveling as holy/prot hybrid, people love my tanking despite not having a taunt. Pulling from distance requires some work with Engineering, but to me its just good fun
The biggest problem for me with Classic Paladins was the lack of scaling with gear. The damage my paladin did in full tier 1 was less than my level 40 rogue.
@@robertp457 tier 1 is not even made for damage though, it’s a healer set where You’re sort of supposed to be in with the melee. The set bonus speaks for that along with strength. But still, ret just isnt doing a lot of damage regardless of gear, not compared to other proper dps. But you can make a holy/prot hybrid pvp spec where you can actually heal, you could even use hand of Edward the odd and smack people in the face and get instant holy lights, and swap to a 2hander when reckoning procs!
I can see pallies as super good support in endgame dungeons alongside a main healer like a holy priest. Ultimate for safety with BoP, BoF, Repentance, Fear, offheals, offtanking, LoH etc.
since official servers will have Auctions, weapon upgrading is way easier than the Solo-Self-Found type at the moment. thats the big bonus. same for gear. not very much quest give good stat gear.
Delete Pally Power, as soon as a second Paladin is in the group all paladins turn stupid mode and need 10-20 minutes to deal with the addon. It is infuriating how stupid people can be. Is it really so hard and complicated to say person 1 you buff this, and person 2 you that? Is it that brutal, that you need an addon for it? An addon that 9/10 fail to understand how to use properly? I love paladins, but this 1 addon screws it! 9/10 times, I mean it. I am done with people who use it!
Well I was expecting this video to be HOT GARBAGE and I must say, WillE did NOT disappoint! In fact... its FAR worse than that. For example... 1. Did you know Stam / Int gear consecration build levels just as fast as 2 hander command builds? I should know I tested it. Stam / Str = +20% damage vs Stam / Int = +130% mana bar. A little bit of extensive testing later and... yup same leveling speed. Just don't forget that rank 3 SoR and JoCru for its 15 / 20% spell power ratio. Did you know that this is COMMON KNOWLEGE to be doing around level 32 which is when you get seal of light? Even outside of Hardcore? Never watched a Kargoz video huh? 2. Did you know that AoE tanking REALY comes online at level 42? Consecration + Sanc + Seal of Wiz? The hell is that DEEP RET build? Never watched ANY paladin leveling video huh? 3. DO NOT... JUDGE ON CD... as a paladin... in HARD CORE as Ret. Holy, dear god NO! What's the "plan" with that one exactly? Increase DPS by 7% (tested it) over letting spirit ticks happen and saved drinking time? To what end exactly? be half mana or less when you suddenly REALLY need a near full mana bar or Die? Get out of here with judge on CD rotation. 4. Judgment of Light and Blessing of Light are NOT skippable in training. JoL/W has 2/3 proc chance regardless of wep speed, meaning at level 33 with a Knightly sword (1.5s green) its something stupid like (does math) 28.4 Healing per second. 28.4 HPS you can swap into along with a shield on demand that will SAVE YOUR LIFE in hardcore even your stupid slow 2 hander idea can appreciate. 5. Blessing of Light (level 40) adds whatever it says it adds for Flash of Light to RANK 1 (35mana) Flash of light. I think its 60 at level 40. Blah blah blah... 35 mana for 130-150 heals. Its #1 blessing in group content and can also save your life in very dire situations along side #4. Your LAST bits of mana in a dire situation as a paladin in Hard Core should be Blessing of Light, Seal of Light, Judgement of Light as it generates an INSANE HPS number (does math) of 80-100 HPS. 6. Slow weapons suck for Ret in Hard Core. Yes they scale well with Command but what's "the plan" here? Be OOM running from 2 mobs only to have to fight 1 mob to live or die... miss miss, dodge, parry, miss = Dead dumb paladin? (Its a 1 in 25 encounters BTW where this will happen). HOT GARBAGE my dude.
To help some fellow pallies with endgame: here is Vanilla Seal Twisting! There are 2 ways to sealtwist in classic: - Option 1: start combat with R1 SoC (Seal of Command). When there is only 0.4sec left on your swing timer, activate max rank Seal of Righteousness (SoR). This way one auto attack can proc both seals. - Option 2: start with R1 SoC. AFTER your swing occured, activate R1 Seal of the Crusader (SotC). BEFORE the next swing happens, reactivate R1 SoC. This way you benefit from the 40% attack speed of SotC, without incurring the damage reduction of SotC, whilst still proccing SoC. This is mana intensive to do. Thats why you get Storm Gauntlets (or Fiery Plate Gauntlets): the extra hits of these gloves also refund mana via JoW. Also the glove attack not only occurs from auto attacks, but also from seal procs. Meaning with SoC/SoR sealtwisting you on average get a 171 mana refund from one swing, and potentially 354 mana when rng is in your favour. Additionally nice of the glove attacks: these can crit, which reactivates your Vengeance buff! Some other important paladin gear: - Libram of Hope - HoJ: SoR can also proc HoJ! - Crusader enchant: SoR can also proc it - Slow, proc based weapons: e.g. untamed blade, bonereavers edge, nightfall etc. Again, SoR doubles proc chance. SoR+SoC tripples proc chance. These tips wont bring you close to the dps of a warrior/mage. But it does bring more variation to your playstyle! No longer just drooling whilst only auto attacking. I know that this comment is a bit off topic because it is not useful for HC leveling, but wanted to share anyway since it is a pally video for wow classic. Hope you like it! :)
It's pronounced based on your region. There isn't 1 way of speaking any language. There are standards for writing etc... but not for speaking. Guess which country has the most English speakers....hint: not UK, Australia, Canada, or USA which btw all having their own English pronunciations. The point of languages is for people to understand each other. Understanding > pronunciations, its how language has evolved in our modern world where anyone anywhere in the world can learn a language.
@@NahSonUrGood true. It's India, by far. And it's hearth, ignorance of something does not mean the pronouncing of the something is correct. That is not true for laws either. I am not talking about accents.
The problem is people go into zones and do quests at their level so if they pull two mobs they might die, but if they pull a third they will die. Overlevel the area you are in, the mobs you are fighting and the quests.
WillE! You should make a dungeon guide for each dungeon from RFC to UBRS from a hardcore perspective focusing on what can actually kill you and what to look out for in each dungeon. Lots of content for you to make and it will surely be a large viewership!
Righteous Fury is a baseline, learn from trainer spell. The talent is improved righteous fury, making you generate and additive 30% more threat with it active. Not at all necessary if you're close to the same gear level as the people you're dungeoning with.
Paladin is SUPER GOOD for hardcore as long as you're patient and have decent risk assessment. With judgment of light on targets, divine shield and healing yourself, you will not die as long as again, you're patient. Palading can slowly grind our very strong foes and elites with just keeping judgment of light and wisdom up and conserving mana, it just takes a while.
I agree .. it's generally patience with Pallies especially from lvl 1 to 10 untill you get decent protection .. and then you wait for your attack skills .. but i think a bit mid game thr Pally get's really interesting .. as you can do damage to armored and unarmored enemies as Holy damage eats through plate .. you can protect yourself because you have like 3 or 4 life saving skills (a couple of bubbles and an instant full heal for instance ).. so considering you would go Defensive , the Paladin is literally a tank . But just to confirm what you said .. yes , patience is needed with Paladins especially the first 15 levels , because you only have your once in a 10 sec skill judgement and from there on just your auto swingt, which could be really boring ..
@@robertp457 not really to be totally honest with you .. if you had played pally then you should know you have only your 1 attack with c 10 seconds cooldown and your auto attack until you are level 15/20 for retribution in which you can upgrade so to speak your judgement which results in 2 seconds faster judgement in which you are still forced to go on with your 1 attack only and your (buffed) autoattacks or you could choose to go holy ( around lvl 20 )specifically for the aoe damage skill which would be your "second" attack skill .. sort of ...... so .. i don't see that happening with a rogue for instance with sinister strike and evistrate and gouge on lvl 6 , sprint on level 10 .. Or a hunter which has shots , or a mage which has fireball , frostbolt, and fireblast and free food before they reach lvl 10 .. Or a warrior that can charge and instant attack and what not , also way before they reach level 20 .. Pally is really just having patience , and wait until you have more skills or upgrade a certain skill to decrease cooldown time .. just saying Oh , but mid game pallies ? You just feel strong as a wow char. Late game pally ? Same story .. but early game pally ? patience
Never in my life will I ever bother with Paladin. Man, the fact blessings are 5 minutes in modern day classic is absurd. Even 30 minutes is fucking tedious. I can’t believe you guys who main this class don’t cry asking for the duration to change, it doesn’t affect anything other than just ENJOYMENT.
Psa - play around with keybinding a specific ally (such as a melee and a caster party member) to mouse wheel actions, being able to flick target an ally you need to enable can make a huge difference
Paladins are gangsters. They’re faster to level comparatively to other classes in regular classic because most people die a bunch and you don’t die much on a paladin which saves you a lot of time. Still a solid leveling choice in hardcore, so easy to play, so forgiving and spells like bubble LOH and freedom. I used to destroy MC/BWL geared 60’s in duels when I was level 51 and had just got ice barber spear from the AV quest. People would freak out and say I only won because I bubbled and healed lmao
Sactity Aura is very stron in my opinion. I never skilled ret aura and used it only for fast attacking enemys. Also res auras are a must have for me, making caster and elemental fights so much easier. Lower ranks of SoC only have lower judge damage, can be helpful for keeping mana up Bubble + First aid saves a lot of mana too
If I remember correctly Divine Protection forbid only auto-attacks so paladin can still judge the target, stun the target, use consecration, holy shock etc. basically damage output is still there just without swings of weapon in-between.
cant wait! when will official servers go live? i hope ptr ends in like 2-3 weeks, then we get it going! btw. im thinking about leveling as prot pally w/ shield; very slow but also very durable for when shit gets hot.
Not even a Paladin can survive HC when enemies respawn directly on top of you when you are already fighting, gotten out of it a few times but they always get you in the end.
PoJ being the single most important talent until level 40 in terms of speeding up your leveling says all you need to know about paladin dpm, because honestly no one mesures paladin damage per second ;)
Just rolled a paladin and she's at lvl 6. Was wanting to go protection with shield so I was wondering if it was worth it at all? None of your builds had much into it
pasting this so yall will have a basic idea of how mouseover macros work, just replace the healing spell with the one you want and the dps one with the one you want (you have to be targeting something for the damage things to work. #showtooltip Holy Light(Rank 1) /startattack /cast [mod:alt,@player] [@mouseover,help,nodead] Holy Light(Rank 1); [@mouseover,harm,nodead] [harm] Judgement; Holy Light(Rank 1)
As someone who had a paladin tank in vanilla/classic, you still can tank in lv 60 dungeons and 10 man raids just fine. It's the 40 raids things gets depressing for paladins.
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fuck ALLIANCE ! - for the HORDE !
real question, have i been saying behemoths wrong this entire time? lol
@@Juicestarr no, wille is that dumb
@@Juicestarr no, he was lol
thanks for the reddit readouts, and forum posts 'made your own' top tier stuff
The real challenge of hardcore paladin is paying attention to danger with Netflix going.
On point :D
TikTok is safer, speaking from hours of experience lol
Paladin and Shaman are definitely the two most boring classes in the game, with Priest and Warlock following right behind. Easy as hell to play though, you only need a handful of buttons and you can pretty much manage anything due to their armor and healing. Hell, run one as Prot with a bit in holy for uninterrupted heals and you are pretty much unstoppable. You can basically run into a group or 4-5 mobs with a shield and the mobs will all die by the time your at half health then you heal, drink, and repeat.
It's like mage AOE grinding but easier due to plate armor, an equipped shield, and not needing to kite. The only issue with paladins is their low damage and relatively low health pool compared to Warriors and Druids but their armor is spectacular and their AOE is better than Warriors and Druids. Their single target damage is complete shit though, probably the worst in the entire game but you'll never die unless you fall asleep while playing or fall off a cliff while afk-running only to alt/tab back and your character is a ghost.
I hope this means we get a "was it any good in hardcorse classic wow?" series in a year or two
They also get a unique skill in Hardcore, if you are in a party and dont feel to play hardcore anymore you can use "divine intervention" wich applies a bubble for 3 min on an ally and you can transfer to a non hardcore server with a free transfer.
I don’t get it
@@_fastlaner use of divine intervention kills the paladin lol
better not to learn that skill in hardcore or maybe you are learning it and waiting for THE MOMENT saving another players HC life in a raid wipe xD
@@Gr33nsurfer If you DI another random teammate, they're gonna be on that high for at least a week lol
Paladin T2 is bis xmog
Bit overdone
theres a purple version from tbc dungeons I need to collect it
Remember that bubble hearth will be disabled on the official HC realms as well.
- "Paladins will not be able to use their Hearthstone while under the effects of Blessing of Protection, Divine Protection, or Divine Shield on Hardcore realms."
Thus making Paladin one of the worst classes to play in HC now.
@@brandonkruse6412 You cant be serious
@@brandonkruse6412 Why? If you have to rely on bubble hearthing, you're not playing the class correctly.
@@DrPluton Bubble + hearth was the only major advantage Paladin had.
1.12 Paladin trees were pretty rough and made the class play more as a support role and shine in a group setting.
Considering Hardcore primarily a solo game mode, if you choose Paladin, you will be slower than other classes and probably burn out before you die.
@@brandonkruse6412 What do you mean "only major advantage Paladin had"?? you cant bubble hearth in the current HC rules so this is a non issue m8
As Kargoz said "gun to my head, to save my family, if I had to level to 60 HC it would be a pally"
I'd say gnome mage or dwarf priest
@@mcfarvodwarf priest os stupid easy. It's amazing
Bro. Bring Kargoz back. Man deleted his whole channel because some shitty drama farmer made a whole ass 45 minute video about some (very)minor misdeeds.
@@CreamyPesto505for real? Wtf
@@systemabc3989alexsensual is a schizophrenic alt right individual who happens to also make videos on conspiracies and happenings in WoW. Dude is fried and also a giant loser.
I made it to 60 as hardcore paladin, here is my tip:
Stand your ground, fight and use your cooldowns wisely. Running is riskier.
Thank you senpai
I have learned all I needed from this comment
Can attest to this. I lost 2 level 20 pallys cause I chose to run instead of fight.
@@tragicanomaly1707 yep, the light gives you power bro.
or, to be more realistic, mana potions are your best friend^^
Ok nerd
in original vanilla i leveled a paladin to level 40 without using judgement, because i was to young and dumb to understand how it worked lmao
Personally I was surprised how quick paladin levelling was. It seems hybrid classes are just great for levelling imo. Both druid and shaman were super fast for me too. Maybe not the most exciting, but man, theyre good in HC.
Ya if you play like a normal human being and aren't min maxing the christ out of everything the difference in leveling speeds is not terribly different (bm hunter being the exception I think.)
Oddly, for me Fury Warrior was the easiest class/spec for me to hit 60 in classic hc and it wasn't even close. Not sure why but I had very few close calls and I levelled fast due to getting good green drops regularly.
@@Travybear1989 That's the thing. Good drop (especially weapon in case of warrior) makes a difference like night and day.
@@Travybear1989 did you DW, 2h or 2h Slam?
@@Clavitz1 DW from 20 to 60, missed more often than 2-hand but kept finding great 1h weapons so stuck with those.
hot take maybe but i still believe that ret, prot pally, shadow priest, feral, balance should get slight buffs making them playable in raids
Pala needs a Crusader Strike and a taunt seal
The Classic+ dream
Don’t forget enhancement and ele
I had no idea what I was doing as a paladin back in 2005. I ended up playing a hybrid holy/retribution talent setup so that I could pick up Consecration and Holy Shock and do a decent job of healing dungeons. It wasn't as fast as heavy retribution, but it was very hard to die.
That's the great thing about pally and hybrids (shammy, dru) in general. You can make a lot of different stuff while leveling and most of it will be at least 'ok'.
It was one of the original variations of shockadin I used to play it need a lot of hybrid gear like caster jewelry and back and as many int/str/crit items you could find. Was also a trinket from aq 40 that you could 100-0 people with a stun command judge exorcism trinket sor aa then how... oh classic pvp
@@venumus1 I don't think you could use exorcism on any class after AQ40 launched.
Congrats on 150k subs man! Your content is amazing, you 110% deserve it! You'll have 200k subs in no time, I'm sure of it! 😎
wow. i thought this guy had way more. ive been watching for a year, how many subs did he have then??
I just found this channel when official hardcore was announced.
And no matter your class a paladin will always buff you with might 🤣
What a time to release this video. Shall I sleep or watch this? I don't know.
Hahaha spot on
You should play a Paladin on HC
Sleep, are you that chronically online?
I am a Paladin main and please, do not motivate any Paladin's out there to start tanking...
Im a year late but why not 😅
This series has been so good. Love hearing all the intricacies of all the different classes. Vanilla was truly incredible.
As a Disc priest main it’s always fun getting to heal paladins as tanks and as off tanks (yep, had a few instances where the Ret needed to tank damage) when in dungeons because I can give them the priest bubble!
Nice weapons but no way in hell I'm doing dungeons in hardcore lol
GRATS ON 150K WILLE!!!!
Finally 🎉 Ret Paladins unite!
During Classic, I leveled my Paladin to 60 and also watched almost the entirety of 30 Rock. Find something that's an easy watch and there's a lot of it
Paladin in Classic is miserably boring. I didn’t enjoy them until about Cata but they got really fun to play in MoP.
there S tier in retail as well incredibly fun and strong
@@Gambleraddict79 oh yeah, modern iterations of paladin are a lot better to play
@@brandonkruse6412They where worse than classic before they got a complete re-design last patch (First time in the history of the game i have seen a class completely get reworked mid expansion because it was actually so fucking bad)
I had a blast playing ret in TBC during classic. Seal twisting was a great mechanic.
When they play tested paladin they found out they had almost nothing to click on, so they decided to make their buffs last only 5 minutes to give them something to do.
Of course you should get redemption, reviving hunter pets is legendary.
Can we all agree that WillE is the best classic wow content creator. By far
Payo
How you pronounce "behemoth" has me in stitches hahaha
I've played up to cat as a pali. I played on a private server as a pali. Pali is my favorite class. I can heal and kill shit quickly yes plz. I'm a blood elf fan. I started with BC but I do appreciate a dwarf pali. Classic palis r not the best but they r still my favorite.
I like how the sentiment goes *You must suffer from mental problems if you want to play a paladin* , looking at the way your wrote that it seems accurate to say the least
Imagine HC from Classic to Wotlk😂
tbc and especially wrath are too easy environments for a hardcore challenge imo.
Nothing of value in this video. Don’t waste your time.
No I'm good thanks.
🤡
Tho I've leveled as ret before I like to go holy with 3/5 redoubt and some points in ret. Sword and board, aoe pull low and slow lol
Tanking and collecting the entire Deathbone set and forging Quel Serra and the tier 0.5 was one of best experiences ever gaming.
Without a taunt!! Tell us more how you managed
It's too bad the Deathbone set was terrible. the mp5 never regened enough mana to return more than a judgement by the time the fight was over. Wished it was stam, int and maybe spell damage and healing.
As an old school paladin main, sadly with no time to play, I’ve been waiting for this particular video.
Well worth the wait as always Willie!
Paladin is the auto attack simulator of classic
I remember vanilla wow and the full eternity it took to level my pally. They are tough and slow.
So many people waiting for official HC now. I kind of want to go again but can't be bothered on unofficial era realms now. Actually might go Pala on official. Slow but very durable.
I dream of a classic world with the wotlk talent tree for the classes. The classes are juste perfect in wotlk.
So much this!!! I would want different gear as well.
I respecced at 40 into prot with 11 points in holy. Its a 100% more fun gameplay than autoattacking but its still super slow
Also there are way more 1h upgrades than 2h
In vanilla you could cast on someone else w/o losing target but it meant hitting the spell then hitting the relevant F key. I healed all sorts of stuff as a pally and never setup mouseovers. I tanked till about 50 bc Sunken Temple was about the limit of where tanking worked out. Did ret in Molten Core, judging on enemies all night. I remember all the casters having wands to regen mana from a judged wisdom
Paladin tanking in Strat UD was decent as well. But yeah, if you were tanking any content at level cap there was a strong possibility you were overgeared and doing it to help someone.
Been waiting for this video. Paladin in classic is an odd class, but its still very fun to play. I’ve picked up WoW again because I’ve been watching your videos and you stated the EU pve cluster was getting a comeback. And yeah!! Leveling might be slow but Im def getting the feeling for the game I fell in love with many years ago. I wont even bother with Wotlk classic or retail. There’s a certain charm over not being able to do whatever you feel like. Currently leveling as holy/prot hybrid, people love my tanking despite not having a taunt. Pulling from distance requires some work with Engineering, but to me its just good fun
The biggest problem for me with Classic Paladins was the lack of scaling with gear. The damage my paladin did in full tier 1 was less than my level 40 rogue.
@@robertp457 tier 1 is not even made for damage though, it’s a healer set where You’re sort of supposed to be in with the melee. The set bonus speaks for that along with strength. But still, ret just isnt doing a lot of damage regardless of gear, not compared to other proper dps.
But you can make a holy/prot hybrid pvp spec where you can actually heal, you could even use hand of Edward the odd and smack people in the face and get instant holy lights, and swap to a 2hander when reckoning procs!
God. I wish we had Crusader Strike and Holy Strike.
If crusader strike was in classic I would love paladins
Play private servers. Easy fix.
@@seangoodwin3257 Turtle WoW is offering it, try it ;)
@@Sernik_z_rodzynkamii What's TurtleWoW?
Holy strike?
I can see pallies as super good support in endgame dungeons alongside a main healer like a holy priest. Ultimate for safety with BoP, BoF, Repentance, Fear, offheals, offtanking, LoH etc.
Are you dumb bro? End game? You mean where paladin gets pigeonholed into the healer role?
It's slow but very doable.
Bubble+Swiftness Potion out of danger.
since official servers will have Auctions, weapon upgrading is way easier than the Solo-Self-Found type at the moment.
thats the big bonus.
same for gear. not very much quest give good stat gear.
the softcore class
Delete Pally Power, as soon as a second Paladin is in the group all paladins turn stupid mode and need 10-20 minutes to deal with the addon. It is infuriating how stupid people can be.
Is it really so hard and complicated to say person 1 you buff this, and person 2 you that? Is it that brutal, that you need an addon for it? An addon that 9/10 fail to understand how to use properly?
I love paladins, but this 1 addon screws it! 9/10 times, I mean it. I am done with people who use it!
Somebody told me paladin is "one-click" class. He wasn´t wrong and while I was bored at the start, later on I´m glad to play as paladin.
Paladin buffs alone are what made the alliance more powerful in raids. Shamans couldn't hold a candle to that In classic.
*laughs in windfury, strength of earth, grace of air, tranquil air*
@@diabz laugh all you want, the numbers don't lie.
Also being a powerhouse in terms of healing, S tier class in holy
@@JackManic1984 *laughs in grounding totem*
@@DavidPachón8591 *laughs in chain heal coefficient*
Seal of righteous
Ret arua
Consecation
Good dot damg
You always got damg ticking even while casting heals
Not just Paladin, but holy Paladin.... You should be specific with your videos.
The only reason to take Sanctity Aura imo is for supporting a protection paladin tank, as it assists them in keeping threat gen up
Lol I got an ad for Felmyst during my watching of this video
biggest issue is, the vanilla paladins have poor animations X3 I want the FNE animations lol
Lay on hands is insane for hardcore you basically can stop yourself or a friend been deleted 24 times a day lol
Well I was expecting this video to be HOT GARBAGE and I must say, WillE did NOT disappoint! In fact... its FAR worse than that.
For example...
1. Did you know Stam / Int gear consecration build levels just as fast as 2 hander command builds? I should know I tested it. Stam / Str = +20% damage vs Stam / Int = +130% mana bar.
A little bit of extensive testing later and... yup same leveling speed. Just don't forget that rank 3 SoR and JoCru for its 15 / 20% spell power ratio.
Did you know that this is COMMON KNOWLEGE to be doing around level 32 which is when you get seal of light? Even outside of Hardcore? Never watched a Kargoz video huh?
2. Did you know that AoE tanking REALY comes online at level 42? Consecration + Sanc + Seal of Wiz? The hell is that DEEP RET build? Never watched ANY paladin leveling video huh?
3. DO NOT... JUDGE ON CD... as a paladin... in HARD CORE as Ret. Holy, dear god NO! What's the "plan" with that one exactly? Increase DPS by 7% (tested it) over letting spirit ticks happen and saved drinking time? To what end exactly? be half mana or less when you suddenly REALLY need a near full mana bar or Die? Get out of here with judge on CD rotation.
4. Judgment of Light and Blessing of Light are NOT skippable in training. JoL/W has 2/3 proc chance regardless of wep speed, meaning at level 33 with a Knightly sword (1.5s green) its something stupid like (does math) 28.4 Healing per second. 28.4 HPS you can swap into along with a shield on demand that will SAVE YOUR LIFE in hardcore even your stupid slow 2 hander idea can appreciate.
5. Blessing of Light (level 40) adds whatever it says it adds for Flash of Light to RANK 1 (35mana) Flash of light. I think its 60 at level 40. Blah blah blah... 35 mana for 130-150 heals. Its #1 blessing in group content and can also save your life in very dire situations along side #4. Your LAST bits of mana in a dire situation as a paladin in Hard Core should be Blessing of Light, Seal of Light, Judgement of Light as it generates an INSANE HPS number (does math) of 80-100 HPS.
6. Slow weapons suck for Ret in Hard Core. Yes they scale well with Command but what's "the plan" here? Be OOM running from 2 mobs only to have to fight 1 mob to live or die... miss miss, dodge, parry, miss = Dead dumb paladin? (Its a 1 in 25 encounters BTW where this will happen).
HOT
GARBAGE my dude.
The ad had to pay very good..
Or they wouldn't talk about all this bad games 😋
To help some fellow pallies with endgame: here is Vanilla Seal Twisting!
There are 2 ways to sealtwist in classic:
- Option 1: start combat with R1 SoC (Seal of Command). When there is only 0.4sec left on your swing timer, activate max rank Seal of Righteousness (SoR). This way one auto attack can proc both seals.
- Option 2: start with R1 SoC. AFTER your swing occured, activate R1 Seal of the Crusader (SotC). BEFORE the next swing happens, reactivate R1 SoC. This way you benefit from the 40% attack speed of SotC, without incurring the damage reduction of SotC, whilst still proccing SoC.
This is mana intensive to do. Thats why you get Storm Gauntlets (or Fiery Plate Gauntlets): the extra hits of these gloves also refund mana via JoW. Also the glove attack not only occurs from auto attacks, but also from seal procs.
Meaning with SoC/SoR sealtwisting you on average get a 171 mana refund from one swing, and potentially 354 mana when rng is in your favour.
Additionally nice of the glove attacks: these can crit, which reactivates your Vengeance buff!
Some other important paladin gear:
- Libram of Hope
- HoJ: SoR can also proc HoJ!
- Crusader enchant: SoR can also proc it
- Slow, proc based weapons: e.g. untamed blade, bonereavers edge, nightfall etc. Again, SoR doubles proc chance. SoR+SoC tripples proc chance.
These tips wont bring you close to the dps of a warrior/mage. But it does bring more variation to your playstyle! No longer just drooling whilst only auto attacking.
I know that this comment is a bit off topic because it is not useful for HC leveling, but wanted to share anyway since it is a pally video for wow classic. Hope you like it! :)
Thx for the info! I wish classic pally would work like ret in TBC.
Legend for touching on tanking, I was enjoying my pally until I died in that cunting cave at the dam :(
and shaman tanking was also fun til I died in that cunting cave in Stonetalon :(
I would actually really like to see that there has been alot of shifts in Meta lately
Why are all the wow classic videos about hardcore? What am i missing
You know... I was kinda set on a warlock but ive never leveled a Pally in classic.
With the removal of the debuff limit in official HC I'm definitely going warlock.
They're decent. More entertaining than warrrior, slower than everyone else. The end
Please update your playlist, 2 videos hidden.
why would u skip the redempton quest? easy xp
Hearth is pronounced with the ea as in heart, not as in earth 👍
It's pronounced based on your region. There isn't 1 way of speaking any language. There are standards for writing etc... but not for speaking. Guess which country has the most English speakers....hint: not UK, Australia, Canada, or USA which btw all having their own English pronunciations. The point of languages is for people to understand each other. Understanding > pronunciations, its how language has evolved in our modern world where anyone anywhere in the world can learn a language.
@@NahSonUrGood Redneck enters the chat :D
@@NahSonUrGood true.
It's India, by far.
And it's hearth, ignorance of something does not mean the pronouncing of the something is correct. That is not true for laws either. I am not talking about accents.
You should do a guide on the zone progression for leveling. So many folks die in Westfall.
The problem is people go into zones and do quests at their level so if they pull two mobs they might die, but if they pull a third they will die. Overlevel the area you are in, the mobs you are fighting and the quests.
Because most people start westfall at lvl 10-11. While many of the mobs are 2-3 levels higher than them.
WillE! You should make a dungeon guide for each dungeon from RFC to UBRS from a hardcore perspective focusing on what can actually kill you and what to look out for in each dungeon. Lots of content for you to make and it will surely be a large viewership!
Bro… it’s classic…. Lol
@@benjaminghazi787 how is that making any kind of point?
@@robertp457 because there’s tons of content already existing and it’s pointless because it’s insanely easy
I thought Righteous Fury was pretty important if you want to tank dungeons yet you don’t recommend it in the 2 builds you showed
Righteous Fury is a baseline, learn from trainer spell. The talent is improved righteous fury, making you generate and additive 30% more threat with it active. Not at all necessary if you're close to the same gear level as the people you're dungeoning with.
Paladin is SUPER GOOD for hardcore as long as you're patient and have decent risk assessment. With judgment of light on targets, divine shield and healing yourself, you will not die as long as again, you're patient. Palading can slowly grind our very strong foes and elites with just keeping judgment of light and wisdom up and conserving mana, it just takes a while.
I agree .. it's generally patience with Pallies especially from lvl 1 to 10 untill you get decent protection .. and then you wait for your attack skills .. but i think a bit mid game thr Pally get's really interesting .. as you can do damage to armored and unarmored enemies as Holy damage eats through plate .. you can protect yourself because you have like 3 or 4 life saving skills (a couple of bubbles and an instant full heal for instance ).. so considering you would go Defensive , the Paladin is literally a tank .
But just to confirm what you said .. yes , patience is needed with Paladins especially the first 15 levels , because you only have your once in a 10 sec skill judgement and from there on just your auto swingt, which could be really boring ..
"xxxxxxx is SUPER GOOD for hardcore as long as you're patient and have decent risk assessment" that's for every class.
@@robertp457 not really to be totally honest with you .. if you had played pally then you should know you have only your 1 attack with c
10 seconds cooldown and your auto attack until you are level 15/20 for retribution in which you can upgrade so to speak your judgement which results in 2 seconds faster judgement in which you are still forced to go on with your 1 attack only and your (buffed) autoattacks or you could choose to go holy ( around lvl 20 )specifically for the aoe damage skill which would be your "second" attack skill .. sort of ...... so .. i don't see that happening with a rogue for instance with sinister strike and evistrate and gouge on lvl 6 , sprint on level 10 ..
Or a hunter which has shots , or a mage which has fireball , frostbolt, and fireblast and free food before they reach lvl 10 ..
Or a warrior that can charge and instant attack and what not , also way before they reach level 20 ..
Pally is really just having patience , and wait until you have more skills or upgrade a certain skill to decrease cooldown time .. just saying
Oh , but mid game pallies ? You just feel strong as a wow char. Late game pally ? Same story .. but early game pally ? patience
I hope they add at least one or two offensive abilities on classic+ ... playing paladin right now is boring to play.
Behemoth? Be-he-mith. Not Bay-Hay-Moth
Never in my life will I ever bother with Paladin. Man, the fact blessings are 5 minutes in modern day classic is absurd. Even 30 minutes is fucking tedious. I can’t believe you guys who main this class don’t cry asking for the duration to change, it doesn’t affect anything other than just ENJOYMENT.
Psa - play around with keybinding a specific ally (such as a melee and a caster party member) to mouse wheel actions, being able to flick target an ally you need to enable can make a huge difference
Are you really gonna wheel between party memebers when you need to emergency heal? Just put it on F1-F4 like most people...
Super unrelated, but scroll wheel macros gave my rogue way more 99 parses than I deserved.
Only one thing about paladin survival. Two equal level mobs will make you heal midfight. If they are higher level you will use a bubble
WE WANT VANILLA FRESH NOT HARDCORE
If you want to hit 60 play pally. If you want to enjoy your life, play warrior and die before level 10 and move onto something with better gameplay.
I'm a little paladin, short and stout.
Here is my hammer, here is my mount.
When I get in combat, I run out.
Pop up my bubble, and hearthstone out.
I’m just coming back to wow classic and have been playing HC but how are you playing Pali on other characters like undead and dwarf?
Paladins are gangsters. They’re faster to level comparatively to other classes in regular classic because most people die a bunch and you don’t die much on a paladin which saves you a lot of time. Still a solid leveling choice in hardcore, so easy to play, so forgiving and spells like bubble LOH and freedom. I used to destroy MC/BWL geared 60’s in duels when I was level 51 and had just got ice barber spear from the AV quest. People would freak out and say I only won because I bubbled and healed lmao
YOU FORGOT BLESSING OF SALVATION!!!
So huge for players to not accidentally rip threat off their tanks!
Sactity Aura is very stron in my opinion. I never skilled ret aura and used it only for fast attacking enemys.
Also res auras are a must have for me, making caster and elemental fights so much easier.
Lower ranks of SoC only have lower judge damage, can be helpful for keeping mana up
Bubble + First aid saves a lot of mana too
Classic prot paladins should run 31/13/7 hmu if you want info / footage on a more effective classic paladin tanking style that scales up to zg
If I remember correctly Divine Protection forbid only auto-attacks so paladin can still judge the target, stun the target, use consecration, holy shock etc. basically damage output is still there just without swings of weapon in-between.
cant wait! when will official servers go live? i hope ptr ends in like 2-3 weeks, then we get it going!
btw. im thinking about leveling as prot pally w/ shield; very slow but also very durable for when shit gets hot.
Starting to run out of content...
From play testing paladins, it seems spiritual focus is not working on the PTR. Anyone else having this problem?
Not even a Paladin can survive HC when enemies respawn directly on top of you when you are already fighting, gotten out of it a few times but they always get you in the end.
PoJ being the single most important talent until level 40 in terms of speeding up your leveling says all you need to know about paladin dpm, because honestly no one mesures paladin damage per second ;)
I mean, blessing on cooldown might be annoying for most paladins but for prots, it's just the normal rotation ^^
Just rolled a paladin and she's at lvl 6. Was wanting to go protection with shield so I was wondering if it was worth it at all? None of your builds had much into it
Only problem with this guide is the weapons. 2 Hand-Mace is a achievement on the addon :)
I play classic with a controller(consoleport addon) and its great being able to sit back and level characters on my steam deck while watching youtube
Verigan’s fist, while nice for being a quest reward, is actually pretty mid for doing dps.
Somehow i am unable to hit even level 10 with a pally. I feel way safer with classes which have more damage
GREAT VID. JUST DONT FORGET SOME SEALS ARE " STICKY" AND IN A GRP OF 2 OR 3 PALLIES THERE SHOULD BE 2 OR 3 STICKY SEALS ON MOB.
Im playing one rn in hc going 3/3 Improved crusader? so its worth putting that up then command idk if its worth to skip it or is it worth using it
Bubblehearth should be allowed. All other classes have more escape tools than the paladin + We are gonna need healers for hc raiding
pasting this so yall will have a basic idea of how mouseover macros work, just replace the healing spell with the one you want and the dps one with the one you want (you have to be targeting something for the damage things to work.
#showtooltip Holy Light(Rank 1)
/startattack
/cast [mod:alt,@player] [@mouseover,help,nodead] Holy Light(Rank 1); [@mouseover,harm,nodead] [harm] Judgement; Holy Light(Rank 1)
As someone who had a paladin tank in vanilla/classic, you still can tank in lv 60 dungeons and 10 man raids just fine. It's the 40 raids things gets depressing for paladins.
👎 for the ad at the beginning
Same