Poor Caldwell. They were clearly unaware with what Garmin was coming out with a few months before them that basically makes their brand new product obsolete before release.
I dunno... my Garmin is friggin' awesome; it's so portable, a breeze to set up and use, and gives me everything i need to know. This just looks like a re-fresh of sorts of the LabRadar unit, which honestly kind of sucks. I guess time will tell though if this can dethroan the Garmin
I wonder how far away it will measure the projectile as it travels down range? You'll also need to consider the signal-to-noise ratio to determine if the measurements are reliable at those longer ranges.
If this came out a year ago I would be likely to get it, but Caldwell took too long and I got a Garmin. The BC data would have to be very compelling for me to switch, but I suspect it would just confirm that I have very close BCs from "trueing" at distance.
@@russstone655 Caldwell actually sent me a free one as part of being an "early adopter". It's a great case for the Velociradar, but it's only as a give-away to early buyers right now. You can't actually buy one yet, that I'm aware of.
If you have a supplier for that storage case for the Velociradar, could you drop a link? I don’t find it on the Caldwell website or even an Internet search for such storage case. Thanks!
I'm not going to knock it until I see you do an in depth soup to nuts review to illustrate performance and the quality of the data. Having BC data is pretty damned useful if you intend shooting at legitimately long distance.
Imagine if an OEM made a chrograph that was no bigger than a Send It level. Imagine the small device send the information wirelessly to a phone/ipad type device. That would significantly reduce the devices size/footprint. The small size would allow a shooter to install it just like a Send It level and also give the shooter more manuverability and information to adjust DOPE throughout the day. That alone would help a shooter adjust dope based on MV/FPS changes throughout the day. Example: starts shooting, and it's 60F at 8am, and he is still shooting at 1pm, but it is 85F. The MV changed and now he knows it so he can change the dope. The small device is already installed and collecting data. Verses have to deploy any of the current models.
The original LabRadar gives you a velocity and distance every 1 ms in rifle mode and every 2 ms in pistol mode. This is typically enough for just over 100 samples before losing sight of the bullet. So that’s nothing new. And 100>10. The True FX chronograph has been out for a while, and it gives you a calculated BC on its display, too. So that’s nothing new. You can do the same thing with the LabRadar data, but this requires you to do some work on your computer. It would be nice to get that info right on the display itself like the True FX and this one does. However, doing it yourself with the LabRadar data (which I do with a simple python script I wrote, or with an open source web program called Labrabaco) offers an advantage if you don’t mind doing it. You can use environmental factors to get a slightly more precise answer. Temperature, humidity, and barometric pressure do skew the answer enough to think about. If you’re doing all your comparing on the same day this will matter less, but for comparing historical data over a long period of time this extra data matters more. Lots of people say you can’t get a good enough answer for ballistic truing from these kinds of devices anyway, so don’t bother. I disagree, but whatever. I don’t even think this is the best reason for calculating the BCs of each shot. Calculating the BCs of each shot allows you to measure a variable of the bullets that is otherwise very difficult to measure: how consistent in shape they are from one to the next. If you capture data from enough shots to at least begin getting some useful statistics it will allow you to compare how consistent different lot numbers of bullets are in shape. I’d say that probably requires a minimum of 25 shots to get an answer that at least begins to be useful. If you have the BCs for 25 shots you can get a decent average BC, as well as a decent SD for BC, and the ES for BC. If lot number 123 has an average BC of 0.400 and lot number 456 has an average BC of 0.375 then you know which lot number you want to save for the bigger matches. If they both have an average BC of 0.400 but one of them has an SD of BC that is 35% better, then you once again know which lot number to save for the bigger matches. Last year I tested five different lot numbers of Eley Tenex for the 22 LR bench gun and it was surprising how much the BCs and the SDs of BC differed between the different lot numbers. You can see some surprising differences in centrefire bullets, too. It is a worthwhile test, for sure. And precisely why I have no use for the Garmin, or the new version of the LabRadar that looks similar to the Garmin. They both give you the muzzle velocity, and nothing else. That cuts their usefulness down by a lot. For most people that’s probably all they want. But for some of us, we want more data to work with because it can tell us more useful information.
Seriously it’s almost a joke how tiny it is. It’s such an obvious issue it feels like they were either very constrained for some reason or someone calling the shots is totally oblivious.
549? Ok Caldwell. I’ll spend the extra 10 bucks and get the garmin that fits in my pocket. These companies all had it easy. Now they have to step up and stop selling us low quality garbage. Competition is good but some manufacturers just aren’t seeing the horizon. Caldwell, Tipton, bushnell, to name a few will be dollar store items fast if they don’t step it up. This chrono is DOA for sure.
Looks like a product that was just late-to-market. Look at how big it is. You need a trigger. You have to carefully line it up. Looks like an updated version of my LabRadar (rest his soul) Now look at the Garmin.
i feel like the only thing this has going for it is BC calculation, which isnt as good as the 300yd BC of the fx outdoors true ballistic chrono. also has chirp, but idk if thats of any real benefit when doppler is more than enough accuracy. if you want BC, theres better, if you just need an accurate chrono, theres better options too. both the labradar lx and garmin xero are way smaller and both claim 0.1% precision (3fps deviation from a true velocity of 3000fps). and the garmin has been out for a while now so its a bit more proven with longer term reviews and any release issues uncovered. this just feels like too little too late.
@@bartbenson8618 who even cares. They are worth MSRP for how reliable and convenient they are. I bought mine pre-release and I would have paid double knowing how valuable it's been to me this last year.
Wait, whats true BC then? I thought a specific bullet had its own BC just measured by its profile (drag coefficient) ?? … this makes me want a garmin even more now.
Do your research it uses a different type of technology which means it reads directly at the muzzle not 10 feet in front like the garmin.if you look up the fx true ballistics it was a 1000$ this is literally that for half the price better technology and it’s size is in between the garmin and Labradar it’s the best of both worlds
@@UntamedOutlooks Garmin is 110% of what 99% of people need. The couple folks who need to know their true BC may enjoy this, but I don't see many people selling their Zero for this unit.
I didn’t like the Garmin’s Zero Pro screen display, not very bright. It would pick up other range shots and mess with my string, however it was indoors. That would make the recoil trigger a nice addition to get accurate strings.
TINY Display Why are all digital Chronos plagued with this? Make the display have LARGEST Text possible. Some of us (everyone over 45) can't see like a teenager.
Why is the chrony so huge but screen small as the garmin? Doesnt make any sense. If you gonna make a chrony that big at least make the screen big too. Wtf
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These companies rested on their laurels until Garmin changed the chronograph market completely.
LOVE my Garmin.
Glad to see you back!
Poor Caldwell. They were clearly unaware with what Garmin was coming out with a few months before them that basically makes their brand new product obsolete before release.
Wich model of garmin
@@francisdaoust5862 Garmin Xero C1. Way better, this Cadwell looks like a repackaged LabRadar and we all know how that worked out
I dunno... my Garmin is friggin' awesome; it's so portable, a breeze to set up and use, and gives me everything i need to know. This just looks like a re-fresh of sorts of the LabRadar unit, which honestly kind of sucks. I guess time will tell though if this can dethroan the Garmin
.......well my Garmin is SOLID! You need too do a comparison
Awesome! Competition is good. Im hoping more come along !
Wooo! Two videos in one week!
Thank you Sir!
I am really looking forward to your review on this thing. The BC feature has me very curious also.
day late and a Garmin short
lol
I want to know how it compares, accuracy wise, with Labrador and the newer garmin unit.
The Labradar does not capture ever shot.
what's the point of this video? no new information, no tests, no nothing...
if you open labradar csv file the you can see that Labradar also measures distances and speeds at each distance
I wonder how far away it will measure the projectile as it travels down range? You'll also need to consider the signal-to-noise ratio to determine if the measurements are reliable at those longer ranges.
In a different video on this same radar someone said it was only good out to 100 yards. But I haven't found any thing official yet.
I have a Garmin Xero....it's awesome, and small.
yea this cadwell is DOA
If this came out a year ago I would be likely to get it, but Caldwell took too long and I got a Garmin. The BC data would have to be very compelling for me to switch, but I suspect it would just confirm that I have very close BCs from "trueing" at distance.
Xero is KING.
Where the heck did you find that Velociradar protective case? I can't find it anywhere. Anybody got a link?
Same! Where can we find the case?
@@russstone655 Caldwell actually sent me a free one as part of being an "early adopter". It's a great case for the Velociradar, but it's only as a give-away to early buyers right now. You can't actually buy one yet, that I'm aware of.
If you have a supplier for that storage case for the Velociradar, could you drop a link? I don’t find it on the Caldwell website or even an Internet search for such storage case. Thanks!
Thank you now i know why not to buy this.
👍
I'm not going to knock it until I see you do an in depth soup to nuts review to illustrate performance and the quality of the data. Having BC data is pretty damned useful if you intend shooting at legitimately long distance.
Imagine if an OEM made a chrograph that was no bigger than a Send It level.
Imagine the small device send the information wirelessly to a phone/ipad type device. That would significantly reduce the devices size/footprint.
The small size would allow a shooter to install it just like a Send It level and also give the shooter more manuverability and information to adjust DOPE throughout the day.
That alone would help a shooter adjust dope based on MV/FPS changes throughout the day. Example: starts shooting, and it's 60F at 8am, and he is still shooting at 1pm, but it is 85F. The MV changed and now he knows it so he can change the dope.
The small device is already installed and collecting data. Verses have to deploy any of the current models.
The original LabRadar gives you a velocity and distance every 1 ms in rifle mode and every 2 ms in pistol mode. This is typically enough for just over 100 samples before losing sight of the bullet. So that’s nothing new. And 100>10.
The True FX chronograph has been out for a while, and it gives you a calculated BC on its display, too. So that’s nothing new. You can do the same thing with the LabRadar data, but this requires you to do some work on your computer. It would be nice to get that info right on the display itself like the True FX and this one does. However, doing it yourself with the LabRadar data (which I do with a simple python script I wrote, or with an open source web program called Labrabaco) offers an advantage if you don’t mind doing it. You can use environmental factors to get a slightly more precise answer. Temperature, humidity, and barometric pressure do skew the answer enough to think about. If you’re doing all your comparing on the same day this will matter less, but for comparing historical data over a long period of time this extra data matters more. Lots of people say you can’t get a good enough answer for ballistic truing from these kinds of devices anyway, so don’t bother. I disagree, but whatever. I don’t even think this is the best reason for calculating the BCs of each shot.
Calculating the BCs of each shot allows you to measure a variable of the bullets that is otherwise very difficult to measure: how consistent in shape they are from one to the next. If you capture data from enough shots to at least begin getting some useful statistics it will allow you to compare how consistent different lot numbers of bullets are in shape. I’d say that probably requires a minimum of 25 shots to get an answer that at least begins to be useful. If you have the BCs for 25 shots you can get a decent average BC, as well as a decent SD for BC, and the ES for BC. If lot number 123 has an average BC of 0.400 and lot number 456 has an average BC of 0.375 then you know which lot number you want to save for the bigger matches. If they both have an average BC of 0.400 but one of them has an SD of BC that is 35% better, then you once again know which lot number to save for the bigger matches.
Last year I tested five different lot numbers of Eley Tenex for the 22 LR bench gun and it was surprising how much the BCs and the SDs of BC differed between the different lot numbers. You can see some surprising differences in centrefire bullets, too. It is a worthwhile test, for sure. And precisely why I have no use for the Garmin, or the new version of the LabRadar that looks similar to the Garmin. They both give you the muzzle velocity, and nothing else. That cuts their usefulness down by a lot. For most people that’s probably all they want. But for some of us, we want more data to work with because it can tell us more useful information.
Today I learned that BC SD could be a thing
👀👀👀
BIG CHRONO - tiny display.
Seriously it’s almost a joke how tiny it is. It’s such an obvious issue it feels like they were either very constrained for some reason or someone calling the shots is totally oblivious.
since it can measure bullet drop can it do group size too?
Where can we find the case?
549? Ok Caldwell. I’ll spend the extra 10 bucks and get the garmin that fits in my pocket. These companies all had it easy. Now they have to step up and stop selling us low quality garbage. Competition is good but some manufacturers just aren’t seeing the horizon. Caldwell, Tipton, bushnell, to name a few will be dollar store items fast if they don’t step it up. This chrono is DOA for sure.
499 on the website
Massive screen tiny display🥴🤷♂😤
Was the long break YT induced or other?
Looks like they bought what was left of old Labradars and changed the cosmetics
Is it rated to chrono birdshot shotshells?
A day late & a dollar (a few actually) too much.
I can see a fire sale of these happening in the not too distant future!
Looks like a product that was just late-to-market.
Look at how big it is.
You need a trigger.
You have to carefully line it up.
Looks like an updated version of my LabRadar (rest his soul)
Now look at the Garmin.
A green lab radar?
Unfortunately We can’t order one from Europe either
Why would you get this over the Garmon???? If you haven’t tried it,…….. it’ll change how you think about chronos
Chirp and true BC.
Agreed
Yep, and still overpriced in my opinion.
i feel like the only thing this has going for it is BC calculation, which isnt as good as the 300yd BC of the fx outdoors true ballistic chrono. also has chirp, but idk if thats of any real benefit when doppler is more than enough accuracy. if you want BC, theres better, if you just need an accurate chrono, theres better options too. both the labradar lx and garmin xero are way smaller and both claim 0.1% precision (3fps deviation from a true velocity of 3000fps). and the garmin has been out for a while now so its a bit more proven with longer term reviews and any release issues uncovered. this just feels like too little too late.
How mucho peso?
I’ve seen garmin deals in the $400s. This thing is DOA.
Where? Lowest Ive seen them is 580ish.
@@bartbenson8618 just keep checking online. 2 deals in the last few months at $470 and plenty in the 490-500 range
@@bartbenson8618 who even cares. They are worth MSRP for how reliable and convenient they are. I bought mine pre-release and I would have paid double knowing how valuable it's been to me this last year.
@@demitrisolvinski Money doesn't grow on trees were I'm from so I like to get the best deal I can.
Bc means zero until 500 yards.
Wait, whats true BC then? I thought a specific bullet had its own BC just measured by its profile (drag coefficient) ?? … this makes me want a garmin even more now.
there is nothing gamechanging about a single static velocity based bc. the marketing on this is laughable.
I echo the comments of the others. Why would anyone choose this over a Garmin?
Do your research it uses a different type of technology which means it reads directly at the muzzle not 10 feet in front like the garmin.if you look up the fx true ballistics it was a 1000$ this is literally that for half the price better technology and it’s size is in between the garmin and Labradar it’s the best of both worlds
@@UntamedOutlooks Garmin is 110% of what 99% of people need. The couple folks who need to know their true BC may enjoy this, but I don't see many people selling their Zero for this unit.
I didn’t like the Garmin’s Zero Pro screen display, not very bright. It would pick up other range shots and mess with my string, however it was indoors. That would make the recoil trigger a nice addition to get accurate strings.
get rid of the built in battery. Seems all the new one have that, Deal breaker for me.
TINY Display Why are all digital Chronos plagued with this? Make the display have LARGEST Text possible. Some of us (everyone over 45) can't see like a teenager.
Who in their right mind would buy this over a Garmin?
Wich garmin you are talking? Does the garmin have the BC value?
Fudds
Kinda big.
So it's a cheap POS version of Lab Radar😂😂😂
Nope
Why is the chrony so huge but screen small as the garmin? Doesnt make any sense. If you gonna make a chrony that big at least make the screen big too. Wtf