I am using this method also for a few months. Great to see someone else doing it. Quick question: when you are done what format you export for UA-cam? Thanks!
Do you ever use Adobe Encore I know its no longer made but I am trying figure out how to export 4k Video with DVD Menu with this will let be do everything else I see but 4k but I'm sure there's away
that's a solid workflow. have you tried using Smart rendering? in the sequence settings, if you set your preview files to be prores422, render in to out as you work or when you are done, make sure all is green bar, then when you export simply check "use previews" and your export will be super fast because it's using the cached preview. no extra layers, no need to update your prores file again and again and what not. it will also make your editing more efficient and easier as you work. one last bonus - if you render a prores out of the preview prores (the settings match 100%) and the settings are the same - it will take 2 seconds to render.
I used this trick for a HUGE animation I did in after effects, then brought it back into Premiere after exporting in AE with ProRes to do motion on it. Using ProRes to get it from one stage to another is super valid.
This is really interesting. I'm at that stage where new info is coming at me so much at high volume and velocity, so thanks for taking the time to make it all clear. It's a major help.
Man! That's a great tip. I am a editor for years. I did this one time, but never took this as a workflow method. This is really a better and quicker way.
I missed this six months ago brother! Thanks so much it actually saved me a lot of time rendering. I wanted to try this on a final project and it was great
The layering the exported PRORES HQ file on the top of the timeline for the fine cut is a neat trick. I like it, very clever. I'm a dirty youtube gaming editor that works primarily with h264/h265 files (sometimes with proxies if the timeline feels laggy) but I think that this method might actually help me to get a higher quality end result without increasing overall encoding time much and keeping the project neat. Thanks.
This is such an awesome tip, I straight up liked & subscribed from it! I don’t know how I didn’t think of this earlier, but I’m really glad I found your video. Thanks! Keep up the great work. 👌🏼
Should I be ingesting all my h.264 A Roll and B Roll footage into the project as Quicktime Pro-res 422 to begin with so that rendering and exporting will be faster for the initial draft export?
wonder if ppl realize that prores is a mere set of compression options and a container. abs the same IQ + decoding speed can be done in h264, h265,... + mp4 (or mov etc). if you create custom h264 profile (actually, weird thing, accordingly to nvidia published tests, h265 seems to be encoded even faster than h264 on the latest nvidias), i frames only, 100-200 Mbps bitrate, main profile, 444 color (bevare, nvidia doesnt offload 422 h264, only 420 or 444), closed gop at your timeline fps, it will be rendered by your gpu, on a decent gtx it'll be decoded way faster than prores and you can encode to this mezzanine format on gpu as well at ~10 times than prores
Something I noticed when I was prerendering my timeline in a similar way was that the underlying tracks were still considered during the final render. I have a shortcut set to disable selected clips because even turning off the track visibility didn’t remove them from the render process - but this was several PrPro versions ago.
prores export here on my pc for 4K50fps stuff = 5-7.5 fps renderingspeed h265 all-i nvenc export for 4K50fps stuff = 45-60 fps renderingspeed so if i want to export in real good quality (even for big screen cinema) you can use prores hq (or even qx 444) without a second thought at all. if you have hardware encoding at your hand and you do youtube stuff, go for h264/h265.
You are given a ProRes 422 HQ QuickTime file that needs to be converted to a small enough file to share electronically, while maintaining quality. It will also require a watermark. How would you do this?
I just bought the new neat video plugin and it keeps crashing my project. I am trying this out now. By just exporting the pro res with the neat video and color correction. Then I'll pull it back in and add my color grade and some transitions. Thanks for this
Great advice! I'll definitely be adding the ProRes track on top of my WIPs. I also like SHIFT+E to enable/disable tracks which won't be seen or heard. I learned somewhere that during the render, Premiere treats a disabled track differently from a 'turned off' track- has anyone else heard about this?
Is there no better way? I also have the issue of exporting in h264 as its the best quality format with the smallest file size best for USBs to give to clients, but everytime I export there is always one scene or a transition that messes up. This method in the video is good but surely there is a way to export without double exporting
As some people have mention you can use smart rendering with Pro Res. That being said were you using Nvenc or Quick Sync when exporting to H.264? Intel's Quick Sync and Nvidia's Nvenc get better and better and they can both support the AV1 codec.
I have always thought or know that getting your footage into the Prores codec right away was the optimal choice and not later after any editing is done. Footage quality can diminish very quickly depending on the alterations being done. Why would you do any editing before hand?
this video is great man you really know what you are talking about and it was a great help for me to understand ProRes only bad thing is that i still am on windows :P
i want to upload a music video to itunes and it requires prores setting but my final premier pro projet is quite heavy with about 4 gb heavy, how can i make it smaller. please help
hey man!!! thanks for the video great info. I have a question if I'm mixing clips with ProRes and XAVC when I play in my tv the colors doesnt match? any idea?
Hi brother when I export my final graded footage in prores422 format in premiere pro footage over saturated if I export h.264 it looks fine but prores422 creating saturated images how can I export prores 422 format without over saturate
Why ProRes HQ. The files end up being like 10gb. I use ProRes Proxy and can't see any difference in quality, and the files end up being 1-2gb each. That's nearly 10x smaller for very little to no quality loss?
Unless I'm missing something, all you need to do is change your project settings to make your previews to prores, prerender your sequence, check the box to use previews when you export to utilize your previews which are now prores You're taking a longer path by exporting a prores file, importing it, etc
So if I edit h264 video and follow your steps, my final video should be exported in h264 or prores as well? also, if its exported in prores will it look better than exported in h264?
@John Lee Yes I did wonder this too. The way premiere handles the preview files (if set to prores) would be exactly the same as shown in the video. One possible advantage in his method is that the rendered out prores file could be saved in the the project folder and reopened down the line. I think using the premiere pre-render method will save the prores file into the depths of the render/preview cache which may get deleted or cleared out
Cool vid! Question: Why not just lay the exported .h264 video file over the timeline instead of Prores and save the space? Does this double the compression?
how do I convert to ProRes if I'm using CS6 and don't have Adobe Media encoder? I found a program called MPEG Stream that can do it, but it only supports frame rates up to 50 FPS. I have GoPro footage that is 240 FPS.
I edit a lot of projects, but send them via Dropbox to another editor for finishing. These are simple 1080/29.97 projects. We're both editing premiere on MACs. Thoughts on a good lossless codec?
Great video. But I actually have some problem doing the transcode. When I transcode the H.265 video (form iPhone) to ProRes (no matter in ME or PR) on PC, the video I got will stop somewhere randomly and start to loop from the beginning (audio works normally)
S/O to you for doing the most. What I would like to know is that can one find the same feature in Filmora or is it only available for Premiere Pro and other editing software?
hello, thanks for the video. I have a timeline I edited with proxies 1280x720. Native files are 4K slog.. In premiere I used effects like crop effects and changed the position. I was thinking about using your method of pre-conform EDL to pass in davinci. So relink in Premiere with native files then export a prores 4444 and import it in Davinci with a preconform EDL. Do I lose a lot of quality doing this?
Hi. Thanks for this video. So let me get this straight. You import your h-def footage h.264, edit it, but the first export is in pro res, in case you need to go back in and make more corrections. So is your final export to the internet in pro res or h.264? The second question... you mentioned exporting for a big screen. I make low-budget movies that have ended up on DVD. What is your export recommendation for a film shot 4k, so that it is as uncompressed as possible? And no, I currently am not shooting with a camera equipped with pro res raw caption. Thank you for the advice.
Yes, first export is in ProRes. ProRes HQ is a great codec to use as a Digital Intermediate between final exhibition formats - keep in mind the file size for longer videos and films will be substantially larger.
Hey !! How to work with xavc s, sony footages round trip from premier and resolve, there is a issue related to time code, how to get it set for smooth work flow between premier and resolve??
@@AustinNewman but before that, i mean the settings, color space, Quicktime ? etc :p if you can explain me a little bit how did you start the proyect of this video could be great :D
Wait. So you ultimately use H264 for uploads? Also I notice my 60fps slowed down 40% looks great exported ProRes but look grainy when exported as H264... any ideas?
Thanks for the video brotha! I have a question though. How would you render 120fps clips into ProRes? I been using prores for years straight out of my recorders but now starting to use 120fps from my A7III and looking to convert into ProRes. Adobe does not currently provide support for 120 prores rendering unless you wish to render out to HEVC (H.265) which is definitely not ProRes. Any work arounds?
So if im recording in my blackmagic camera 4k and doin DNG RAW 4:1 in Premiere Pro under format use QUICKTIME and UNDER PRESET use PRORES 422? Wat about video codec same PRORES 422
Hey Austin! Thank you for yet another awesome video. I have a stupid question regarding the prores version. If I were to capture prores, edit on the timeline and export my edit from final cut as H265, would I lose the whole benefit of having prores in the first place? Does the extra quality in prores remain even though the final project is in H265? Meaning the whole benefit of prores is the extra editing power but not the quality in the end? Thanks again bro.
First render woyld take long time but its a draft for review, adjust and getting feedback purposes. Second or final render would be faster since it will be prores used on time line. At least that's what I understood.
Quicktime is a bit quicker on the render out of premiere. And then just transcode it to standard h.264 in Adoba Media Encoder. I get it why he does that. It's because you can transcode that ProRes video into different versions of the video easily with, for example, different bitrates or different codecs. Who knows you're better off with h.265? I mean look at Linus Tech Tips' editing workflow. They exported from Premiere Pro as RAW Cineform, and then transcoded them to h.264 on a separate "render server". It's not like people must follow this high-budget workflow. Just an honorable example.
Would love to hear your results with this new workflow! What results did you get from this trick?
Thanks for sharing this tip! Will use it on my next movie
What is the exporting method for theater exhibition
I am using this method also for a few months. Great to see someone else doing it. Quick question: when you are done what format you export for UA-cam? Thanks!
Do you ever use Adobe Encore I know its no longer made but I am trying figure out how to export 4k Video with DVD Menu with this will let be do everything else I see but 4k but I'm sure there's away
smart render would be the official way to accomplish the same result.
that's a solid workflow. have you tried using Smart rendering? in the sequence settings, if you set your preview files to be prores422, render in to out as you work or when you are done, make sure all is green bar, then when you export simply check "use previews" and your export will be super fast because it's using the cached preview. no extra layers, no need to update your prores file again and again and what not. it will also make your editing more efficient and easier as you work. one last bonus - if you render a prores out of the preview prores (the settings match 100%) and the settings are the same - it will take 2 seconds to render.
This video has saved my laptop's life cuz I was definitely going to throw it against the wall one day working with premiere pro
I used this trick for a HUGE animation I did in after effects, then brought it back into Premiere after exporting in AE with ProRes to do motion on it. Using ProRes to get it from one stage to another is super valid.
Big thank you! After 15 export attempts getting errors going straight to h264, this is speeding my life up! Thanks
This is really interesting. I'm at that stage where new info is coming at me so much at high volume and velocity, so thanks for taking the time to make it all clear. It's a major help.
Same here bro and I’m glad that you made a video about it. Speaking of video..THE QUALITY YOUR VIDEO HERE IS WORLD CLASS!!!
Man! That's a great tip. I am a editor for years. I did this one time, but never took this as a workflow method. This is really a better and quicker way.
I usually export to H264 for UA-cam, because the ProRes file was about 10x larger. ProRes 422 definitely has its advantages though.
I missed this six months ago brother! Thanks so much it actually saved me a lot of time rendering. I wanted to try this on a final project and it was great
Excellent insight
Wow buddy I loved that. Your specialty i have seen is minimalistic and easy to understand. Great work. Keep on making these 👍
Thanks for saying that uncompressed is the best quality, a lot of people don’t say that in these kinds of videos.
Thanks Austin. Will give it ago. All the best from Ireland.
Best video on the ProRes Export - Thank you so much!
Valentyn Korotkevych thank you! 🙏🏻🤙🏻
Yooooo this is such a great idea! Definitely gonna try this out. Also, the motion graphics in this video look so good
Finally someone that explains the progress properly. Thank you!
The layering the exported PRORES HQ file on the top of the timeline for the fine cut is a neat trick. I like it, very clever.
I'm a dirty youtube gaming editor that works primarily with h264/h265 files (sometimes with proxies if the timeline feels laggy) but I think that this method might actually help me to get a higher quality end result without increasing overall encoding time much and keeping the project neat. Thanks.
Prores is now available by default with CC 2020 "ON WINDOWS"
CC 2019 ver. 13.0.2 to be exact
Oh my gosh! What an idea! This will save a ton of time!
This is such an awesome tip, I straight up liked & subscribed from it! I don’t know how I didn’t think of this earlier, but I’m really glad I found your video. Thanks! Keep up the great work. 👌🏼
I tried to render in prores a 2k video and 15 min have around 80 gb....
lmao currently transcoding a 4k60 video so far taking about 30gb and about 5% done.
SMFH....then only to have UA-cam destroy the hell out of the quality.😱
I loved those tips!! i will try it right now!
Thoughtful and nicely written work thanks
I will defiantly be trying this out
Should I be ingesting all my h.264 A Roll and B Roll footage into the project as Quicktime Pro-res 422 to begin with so that rendering and exporting will be faster for the initial draft export?
wonder if ppl realize that prores is a mere set of compression options and a container. abs the same IQ + decoding speed can be done in h264, h265,... + mp4 (or mov etc). if you create custom h264 profile (actually, weird thing, accordingly to nvidia published tests, h265 seems to be encoded even faster than h264 on the latest nvidias), i frames only, 100-200 Mbps bitrate, main profile, 444 color (bevare, nvidia doesnt offload 422 h264, only 420 or 444), closed gop at your timeline fps, it will be rendered by your gpu, on a decent gtx it'll be decoded way faster than prores and you can encode to this mezzanine format on gpu as well at ~10 times than prores
iDealshare VideoGo also helps to convert video to Apple ProRes or convert Apple ProRes to mp4, mpg, avi, mov etc
Something I noticed when I was prerendering my timeline in a similar way was that the underlying tracks were still considered during the final render. I have a shortcut set to disable selected clips because even turning off the track visibility didn’t remove them from the render process - but this was several PrPro versions ago.
prores export here on my pc for 4K50fps stuff = 5-7.5 fps renderingspeed
h265 all-i nvenc export for 4K50fps stuff = 45-60 fps renderingspeed
so if i want to export in real good quality (even for big screen cinema) you can use prores hq (or even qx 444) without a second thought at all. if you have hardware encoding at your hand and you do youtube stuff, go for h264/h265.
Really awesome... thanks, feels like I got one step closer to my ideal workflow
That's really helpful! I've been struggling a lot with deadlines and stress due to long time renders. Thank you!
Mind blowing. I will do like you said from now on.
You are given a ProRes 422 HQ QuickTime file that needs to be converted to a small enough file to share electronically, while maintaining quality. It will also require a watermark. How would you do this?
I wish I would have known this before, thanks for sharing
Hi
I want to transcode media (xavcs/ h264) for Davinci Resolve 16
How can I transcode the media (xavcs / h264) ?
In what format should be transcode?
Subscribed! Awesome and educational 👏🏽 😎
I just bought the new neat video plugin and it keeps crashing my project. I am trying this out now. By just exporting the pro res with the neat video and color correction. Then I'll pull it back in and add my color grade and some transitions. Thanks for this
Thank you for this tip. I always go back and this would really help out. Quick question,, what's the difference between ProRes HQ and 4444
Does this method help with banding issues on the video lighting, overlays, etc? I'll be testing this question soon
Thanks Austin! Great content!
What type of ProRes did you use on the top track? ProRes 4444? ProRes RAW?
Thankyou for the export information
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Keep inspiring editor's
Great advice! I'll definitely be adding the ProRes track on top of my WIPs. I also like SHIFT+E to enable/disable tracks which won't be seen or heard. I learned somewhere that during the render, Premiere treats a disabled track differently from a 'turned off' track- has anyone else heard about this?
Very useful and concised. Thankyou
This is great. Two question: why cut into the ProRes if you're making changes in the H.264? Are you exporting the final as a ProRes or just H.264?
you can keep working this way and replace as you export in ProRes with the new one and make the last one compressed
this is very good workflow !
Is there no better way? I also have the issue of exporting in h264 as its the best quality format with the smallest file size best for USBs to give to clients, but everytime I export there is always one scene or a transition that messes up. This method in the video is good but surely there is a way to export without double exporting
As some people have mention you can use smart rendering with Pro Res. That being said were you using Nvenc or Quick Sync when exporting to H.264? Intel's Quick Sync and Nvidia's Nvenc get better and better and they can both support the AV1 codec.
One question, I have a file with a different sequence, can I simply export it in Pro res? Or should I create a sequence with those parameters?
I have always thought or know that getting your footage into the Prores codec right away was the optimal choice and not later after any editing is done. Footage quality can diminish very quickly depending on the alterations being done. Why would you do any editing before hand?
Was that reel 8, 10-bit or higher? 4K or 1080? Looks nice!!
My man, super helpful. Not having to re-export the whole video is a game changer.
Austin is there a codec for adobe premiere elements so I can import ProRes file?
You're a life saver !!! This solve all my problems
this video is great man you really know what you are talking about and it was a great help for me to understand ProRes only bad thing is that i still am on windows :P
Do you get better quality out of ProRes then h.264 / 265? I only make video and upload to youtube. So uploading to youtube I might not need ProRes ?
I do this all the time, great trick!
Thanx for the tip, highly appreciated
Great tip! Thank you for this!
Would you say the quality is better when uploading a Prores and let UA-cam compress it? Or if you just customize one H.264 file for UA-cam?
I have a question please I have a Sony A7iii will this work with prores or I have to get a diferent camera, what is recommended please . Thank you
i want to upload a music video to itunes and it requires prores setting but my final premier pro projet is quite heavy with about 4 gb heavy, how can i make it smaller. please help
I saw you uncheked the audio. IS it meant to be an export without sound?
ProRes 422 Standard or LT for youtube?
What’s the best export for bmpcc4k footage? Just switch to bmpcc 4k
hey man!!! thanks for the video great info. I have a question if I'm mixing clips with ProRes and XAVC when I play in my tv the colors doesnt match? any idea?
Hi brother when I export my final graded footage in prores422 format in premiere pro footage over saturated if I export h.264 it looks fine but prores422 creating saturated images how can I export prores 422 format without over saturate
Awesome video, thank you so much
Brodie whatchu doin here lmao
🙏🏻
Thank you for this awesome information
Why ProRes HQ. The files end up being like 10gb. I use ProRes Proxy and can't see any difference in quality, and the files end up being 1-2gb each. That's nearly 10x smaller for very little to no quality loss?
Unless I'm missing something, all you need to do is change your project settings to make your previews to prores, prerender your sequence, check the box to use previews when you export to utilize your previews which are now prores
You're taking a longer path by exporting a prores file, importing it, etc
So if I edit h264 video and follow your steps, my final video should be exported in h264 or prores as well? also, if its exported in prores will it look better than exported in h264?
@John Lee Yes I did wonder this too. The way premiere handles the preview files (if set to prores) would be exactly the same as shown in the video. One possible advantage in his method is that the rendered out prores file could be saved in the the project folder and reopened down the line. I think using the premiere pre-render method will save the prores file into the depths of the render/preview cache which may get deleted or cleared out
Cool vid! Question: Why not just lay the exported .h264 video file over the timeline instead of Prores and save the space? Does this double the compression?
is this technique applies to h264 as well?
Because the H.264 is highly compressed so when you re-export it will be double compressed. The Prores retains the info with little compression.
I'm a PC user. Any advice on exporting same or better quality with Prores 422HQ would be really appreciated! Thanks
I guess if you need to export the same video a few times each time you do the video resolution will be lower and lower ?
how do I convert to ProRes if I'm using CS6 and don't have Adobe Media encoder? I found a program called MPEG Stream that can do it, but it only supports frame rates up to 50 FPS. I have GoPro footage that is 240 FPS.
I edit a lot of projects, but send them via Dropbox to another editor for finishing. These are simple 1080/29.97 projects. We're both editing premiere on MACs. Thoughts on a good lossless codec?
Great, thanks! btw what's the difference between Prores and DNxHR?
Great video. But I actually have some problem doing the transcode. When I transcode the H.265 video (form iPhone) to ProRes (no matter in ME or PR) on PC, the video I got will stop somewhere randomly and start to loop from the beginning (audio works normally)
Awesome video. Great tip - concise, overdelivered
To use the timeline Preview Renderings (set to the export codec) in the Export would be a cleaner workflow, I think. What do you think?
I'll experiment with that a bit more. I really liked this method because it gives me a ProRes file to archive just in case.
what preview render do u use?
Very helpful thank you
S/O to you for doing the most. What I would like to know is that can one find the same feature in Filmora or is it only available for Premiere Pro and other editing software?
hello, thanks for the video. I have a timeline I edited with proxies 1280x720. Native files are 4K slog.. In premiere I used effects like crop effects and changed the position. I was thinking about using your method of pre-conform EDL to pass in davinci. So relink in Premiere with native files then export a prores 4444 and import it in Davinci with a preconform EDL. Do I lose a lot of quality doing this?
This is amazing, thank you so much!
LIFE HACK! thanks for the tip man!
Hi. Thanks for this video. So let me get this straight. You import your h-def footage h.264, edit it, but the first export is in pro res, in case you need to go back in and make more corrections. So is your final export to the internet in pro res or h.264?
The second question... you mentioned exporting for a big screen. I make low-budget movies that have ended up on DVD. What is your export recommendation for a film shot 4k, so that it is as uncompressed as possible? And no, I currently am not shooting with a camera equipped with pro res raw caption. Thank you for the advice.
Yes, first export is in ProRes.
ProRes HQ is a great codec to use as a Digital Intermediate between final exhibition formats - keep in mind the file size for longer videos and films will be substantially larger.
@@AustinNewman Thank you.
Hey !! How to work with xavc s, sony footages round trip from premier and resolve, there is a issue related to time code, how to get it set for smooth work flow between premier and resolve??
Excellent Tutorial.
Thank you.
Curious what are the exact settings you set your Prores HQ settings to?
Awesome bro
🤘🏻🔥
Love the video - Question is this much better quality than Facebook or UA-cam 1080 settings out of premiere?
i hope you answer this, how did you export this video in particular ? :D
For my final export to UA-cam, I’m using h.264
@@AustinNewman nah bro, but with specs, i cant get the codec of this video particulary, it might be setted in some speccific options .
@@AustinNewman but before that, i mean the settings, color space, Quicktime ? etc :p if you can explain me a little bit how did you start the proyect of this video could be great :D
Wait. So you ultimately use H264 for uploads? Also I notice my 60fps slowed down 40% looks great exported ProRes but look grainy when exported as H264... any ideas?
P.s. I have it on a 24 timeline and slowed down. Maybe I should make that on a 60 timeline?
Thanks for the video brotha! I have a question though. How would you render 120fps clips into ProRes? I been using prores for years straight out of my recorders but now starting to use 120fps from my A7III and looking to convert into ProRes. Adobe does not currently provide support for 120 prores rendering unless you wish to render out to HEVC (H.265) which is definitely not ProRes. Any work arounds?
Defo trying this for my new video! thanksssss
The file are to big. 30 sec. video in ProRes 422 HQ takes 4 gb space.
just use ProRes standard or LT if you don't need 10 bit. or buy one extra HDD. not that hard.
@@gxrsky sorry for the novice question, but what is the extra HDD & 10 bit?
So if im recording in my blackmagic camera 4k and doin DNG RAW 4:1 in Premiere Pro under format use QUICKTIME and UNDER PRESET use PRORES 422? Wat about video codec same PRORES 422
Hey Austin! Thank you for yet another awesome video. I have a stupid question regarding the prores version. If I were to capture prores, edit on the timeline and export my edit from final cut as H265, would I lose the whole benefit of having prores in the first place? Does the extra quality in prores remain even though the final project is in H265? Meaning the whole benefit of prores is the extra editing power but not the quality in the end? Thanks again bro.
No, it won't, you'll lose some info by exporting into H264.
Why not H265 instead when you are using Windows?
Great video...:) do you also transcode your footage to prores?
Thank you 🙏🏻
No, most of my recent work I just pull in straight from my cameras codec (a7sii) and edited right away
it won't let u change ur resolution to 1440 which youtube needs for the Vp09 codec
I don't understand how u save time if you render twice?
First render woyld take long time but its a draft for review, adjust and getting feedback purposes. Second or final render would be faster since it will be prores used on time line. At least that's what I understood.
IQ matters
Quicktime is a bit quicker on the render out of premiere. And then just transcode it to standard h.264 in Adoba Media Encoder. I get it why he does that. It's because you can transcode that ProRes video into different versions of the video easily with, for example, different bitrates or different codecs. Who knows you're better off with h.265?
I mean look at Linus Tech Tips' editing workflow. They exported from Premiere Pro as RAW Cineform, and then transcoded them to h.264 on a separate "render server". It's not like people must follow this high-budget workflow. Just an honorable example.