As a kid, I sided with Charles for aiming to have mutants and humans live side by side peacefully. As I got older and began to understand the nuance of XMen's themes, I began to understand Magneto's segregation perspective. Even the mutant registration act began to make sense. Not all mutants are good guys and not all humans are bad guys.
@@MosesSuppose Hmmm. What's so bad about segregation? Aren't the most prosperous examples of any non-white group in America ethnic enclaves? Doesn't the First Amendment's protection of Freedom of Association extend to segregation? People would never support limiting Freedom of Speech, so why are they so quick to give up their Freedom of Association?
@@MosesSuppose I think what he meant as be got older he realised that the hyperthetical problem of having people who could possibly destroy a town at a whim and those who cannot existing couldnt be simply answered with "lets all be friend's". I don't think it's an endorsement of real life segregation (at least I hope not) but maybe a realisation of problems we face ourselves similar to this can have multiple perspectives some being virtuous others being horrific.
I recognize that panel shown 6:36. That one black guy kept using the term Mutie, a slur for Mutants and he doesn't care that it could be hurtful, so she calls him the N-word. It was a good way to show that your skin color doesn't mean you can't be bigoted towards someone else. It's like today how a lot of showrunners, writers, and creators just dismiss criticism from others as whatever word they like to use at the time.
While this is true, don't pretend like their aren't actual bigots who complain about things being woke just because they have lgbt+ or characters of color. UA-cam is filled with them.
I agree that mutants are an imperfect allegory for social prejudice and injustice. Many mutants are dangerous, both to others and themselves. Humanity's fear is a legitimate grievance. Personally, I think the allegory only works when mutants are the only people in the respective continuity that have super powers, like in the Fox live-action films. Hatred and fear of mutants specifically works less and less in the comics with each passing year, and I doubt it will work in the MCU. If I lived in a world where aliens, Demi gods, actual gods, monsters, vampires, witches, sorcerers, clones, cyborgs, AI androids, beings that consume planets, and hundreds of humans using exotic technology that can let them do anything from talking to animals to teleporting to hypnosis to time travel... am I really going to single out mutants as the bane of existence? 🤷
The allegory was never part of the XMEN's creation, that was a then modern interpretation that readers ran with. It just became the common belief over time and no one really ever checks if it's true.
I've never understood why the mutant hate didn't extend to most powered heros like spiderman. In both cases their children will be genetically superior to normal humans.
@@jeggsonvohees2201 There are NUMEROUS interviews with Stan Lee that affirmed how mutants became an allegory for social injustice, once he and Marvel hit a stride with the X-Men brand.
I really did enjoy the 2 episodes so far. I like the characterization especially with Magneto and how the show further explores his relationship with Professor X with the will.
Storm doesn't have it easy. She constantly has to keep her emotions in check so she doesn't lose control of her powers that's why she's always so poised. She has an emotional prison where as rogue has a physical one.
Um what are you talking about. Xmen was not the first Marvel Animated Series. In the late 70s and early 80s we had..... Spiderman, The Hulk, The Fantastic Four, Spiderman and his Amazing Friends.
The episodes are adapting the comics right now so there is less to mess up, the real question is are they going to keep to it, or will they start inserting more modern perceptions.
Its not just the powerful mutants. Its mutants who are clearly using their powers for crime. Even small time stuff like Pyro robbing a bank warants the fear. A gun, you can understand and level the playing field with your own gun but a mutant with powers you don't understand isn't easy to deal with.
yup, specially when people are fearing what they COULD do (i.e storm, xavier, etc..) rather than what they did/will do. imagine living a normal life then suddenly the world goes into an eternal winter just because storm had one bad day and broke.
6:37 Yo my barber had that comic in a basket filled with other comics while you waited for your turn I remember the cover art and that it had a Nesquik mini comic and an ad for an Oreo cup but in seriousness i was surprised that I enjoyed these 2 episodes I’m interested in Magneto on if he’s actually gonna be a good guy or playing the long game
I definitely think the bar is just very low right now. Time will tell if this stays consistent given what I've seen the what the writers think, and they sound like typical Marvel - and with typical Marvel, nothing stays good. One thing people don't seem to talk about is the fight scene with Cyclops. They never seem to catch the problem with it. Other then the villain having good points. A modern Marvel trope.
The bar must be low indeed if you're OK with Magneto getting a pardon, because he doesn't kill anyone at his own trial for terrorism. That was terrible writing in my point.
The FoH have Roberto in a mutant collar, but how did they catch him? Because he tells jubilee that he doesn’t like to use or show off his powers. So how did they know he’s a mutant and why would he just go with them or allow himself to be taken? We also don’t know anything about him, except for his name and he’s trying to bride them. Why wouldn’t he have done this before capture? Then it’s gets cold and the sky thunders. Then we can hear Storms voice booming saying her line “I’m storm mistress of the elements” which is a call back to the OG premier episode. However Storm is talking to the sentinel in front of her, that works because it’s an enclosed environment and she is talking to someone. Her entrance seems like she was carrying a megaphone. She and bishop crash in and it’s exciting yes, but personally feels more like empty spectacle than anything. Compare to the OG premiere where it’s set up better. We meet Jubilee, we get information about her from her foster parents. She unknowingly had a Sentinel pursuing her, she then bumps into Storm and Rogue and they too meet her by chance. They also don’t know that a sentinel is coming, so when the fight begins, it spectacular because it’s been built up. Here there’s none of that. Then cyclops blast his way in and it’s amazing to see cyclops be a badass. However him opening his eyes at his human captors goes against everything about him and the cause and effects of their powers. Cyclops wears his visor to control the intensity of his powers, because without them he could blow a hole in a mountain. This is information that was mentioned several times in the OG show and the films. So what happened here? Someone tried to excuse it as “we see one of them in episode two” but that just takes away any stakes of the show and takes the cause and effects of their powers. Just to make something look cool. Then the episode has two more callbacks to the OG premiere show when Roberto wakes up in a bed just like the OG premiere episode and Hank is hanging upside down. Then the show has so much information dump but never once does anyone ask, How did you all know where he was? Why did they rescue him? Did Jean sense him or something? Did she use Cerebro? Did his parents ask they look for him? I don’t know and this show won’t tell you. Then for some reason Roberto is in the Danger Room, for some reason because Jubilee was in the Danger Room. Except she ran in there by accident and not by choice. I mean she doesn’t even know what his powers are and he’s just thrown into the danger room. Wouldn’t they have asked him first? What if his powers were more defensive than offensive, he could be killed. But whatever I guess. The Holographic Magneto looks amazing by the way. Sometimes the animation has great flow and other times it’s a bit static and sometimes the audio doesn’t line up with the visuals but the same is true for the OG. Wolverine then tackles and scares him. Why? He doesn’t know him, why would they allow him to do that, except to add another call back to when Wolverine tackled Gambit and tells him to say Uncle. Jean and Scott are talking to the UN president on a treadmill because once again that’s what happened in the OG premiere episode and personally it’s getting old. It makes what you’re watching feel incredibly predictable. The three of them are discussing Trask and Gyrich and them shutting down their sentinel base in season one. Except they battle the sentinels two more times, in Genosha they built a new Factory and had mutants imprisoned. Strom, Gambit and Jubilee were among them. Also Mastermold was finally defeated by Moprh in the episode Courage. They also destroyed any remaining sentinels. But this episode completely ignores those two very important encounters. Scott looks out the window and we can clearly see Wolverine, Jubilee, Gambit and Morph playing basketball. Nevermind both Jubilee and Wolverine were with Roberto only a few moments ago. A basketball breaks in the window, and jubilee is blasting Wolverine for scaring Roberto off. I guess he did it while they played Basketball? Because last we saw the three of them together was in the Danger Room. So did they change clothes first and not talk about it? Did he scare him while they were playing, if so where was he? The OG had its issue but it rarely had this many pacing, editing and story issue in one episode. Then we get a dance club scene for some reason. Now the final fight has some cool moments but since when is there a module in the sentinels where someone can control it and when did Beast get superhuman strength, so strong he can lift a sentinel. Too bad he didn’t have super strength in the OG. The of course the gambit charging Wolverine claws, which would cause Wolverines hands to blow up once they made contact with another object and that Wolverine’s claws can already cut through anything, making this move silly and pointless. Then the episode ends with Magneto picking up the picture that fell from the wall, cause I guess no one picked that up, with the same picture already on the wall in the background.
On the allegory part. I half agree with you. It's often used in an awkward way especially since most stories don't emphasize or make clear the fact most mutants don't have powers that are even slightly useful. That roll of the dice will give you naturally purple hair or a lizard tail on most rolls and these mutants do get hate leveled against them largely due to their appearance. So there it is making a excellent point. With the more powerful ones I feel more nuance should be explored. The stories should judge them on an individual basis as while true some have harmful and destruction powers others or innately beneficial. The individuals using those abilities also greatly influence how they are perceived. For example when Cyclops loses his visor fighting X-Cutioner he actively chooses not to defend himself because his eye blasts might harm civilians.
Wait, it was actually good? That's... unexpected I'm guessing you have to have watched all of the original to get this? Haven't seen most of it yet Also, why is magneto immune to rogue? Is that explained in show/comics?
I watched the first two episodes and I liked them. Though there are things I don't like, like Magneto x Rogue and X-men letting Magneto endanger people.
rogue at the end of the wanting to be cured storyline learns she doesn't want to be cured and realises her powers are what makes her what she is. It's from my perspective an alagory on autism and the people wanting to cure autism. It's fine to develop tools that help people deal with their powers like cyclop's glasses, like its fine to develop tools to deal with someone's autism like schedules (they work for some people I think, might be a bad example). but curing it is like removing what someone is
The FoH have Roberto in a mutant collar, but how did they catch him? Because he tells jubilee that he doesn’t like to use or show off his powers. So how did they know he’s a mutant and why would he just go with them or allow himself to be taken? We also don’t know anything about him, except for his name and he’s trying to bride them. Why wouldn’t he have done this before capture? Then it’s gets cold and the sky thunders. Then we can hear Storms voice booming saying her line “I’m storm mistress of the elements” which is a call back to the OG premier episode. However Storm is talking to the sentinel in front of her, that works because it’s an enclosed environment and she is talking to someone. Her entrance seems like she was carrying a megaphone. She and bishop crash in and it’s exciting yes, but personally feels more like empty spectacle than anything. Compare to the OG premiere where it’s set up better. We meet Jubilee, we get information about her from her foster parents. She unknowingly had a Sentinel pursuing her, she then bumps into Storm and Rogue and they too meet her by chance. They also don’t know that a sentinel is coming, so when the fight begins, it spectacular because it’s been built up. Here there’s none of that. Then cyclops blast his way in and it’s amazing to see cyclops be a badass. However him opening his eyes at his human captors goes against everything about him and the cause and effects of their powers. Cyclops wears his visor to control the intensity of his powers, because without them he could blow a hole in a mountain. This is information that was mentioned several times in the OG show and the films. So what happened here? Someone tried to excuse it as “we see one of them in episode two” but that just takes away any stakes of the show and takes the cause and effects of their powers. Just to make something look cool. Then the episode has two more callbacks to the OG premiere show when Roberto wakes up in a bed just like the OG premiere episode and Hank is hanging upside down. Then the show has so much information dump but never once does anyone ask, How did you all know where he was? Why did they rescue him? Did Jean sense him or something? Did she use Cerebro? Did his parents ask they look for him? I don’t know and this show won’t tell you. Then for some reason Roberto is in the Danger Room, for some reason because Jubilee was in the Danger Room. Except she ran in there by accident and not by choice. I mean she doesn’t even know what his powers are and he’s just thrown into the danger room. Wouldn’t they have asked him first? What if his powers were more defensive than offensive, he could be killed. But whatever I guess. The Holographic Magneto looks amazing by the way. Sometimes the animation has great flow and other times it’s a bit static and sometimes the audio doesn’t line up with the visuals but the same is true for the OG. Wolverine then tackles and scares him. Why? He doesn’t know him, why would they allow him to do that, except to add another call back to when Wolverine tackled Gambit and tells him to say Uncle. Jean and Scott are talking to the UN president on a treadmill because once again that’s what happened in the OG premiere episode and personally it’s getting old. It makes what you’re watching feel incredibly predictable. The three of them are discussing Trask and Gyrich and them shutting down their sentinel base in season one. Except they battle the sentinels two more times, in Genosha they built a new Factory and had mutants imprisoned. Strom, Gambit and Jubilee were among them. Also Mastermold was finally defeated by Moprh in the episode Courage. They also destroyed any remaining sentinels. But this episode completely ignores those two very important encounters. Scott looks out the window and we can clearly see Wolverine, Jubilee, Gambit and Morph playing basketball. Nevermind both Jubilee and Wolverine were with Roberto only a few moments ago. A basketball breaks in the window, and jubilee is blasting Wolverine for scaring Roberto off. I guess he did it while they played Basketball? Because last we saw the three of them together was in the Danger Room. So did they change clothes first and not talk about it? Did he scare him while they were playing, if so where was he? The OG had its issue but it rarely had this many pacing, editing and story issue in one episode. Then we get a dance club scene for some reason. Now the final fight has some cool moments but since when is there a module in the sentinels where someone can control it and when did Beast get superhuman strength, so strong he can lift a sentinel. Too bad he didn’t have super strength in the OG. The of course the gambit charging Wolverine claws, which would cause Wolverines hands to blow up once they made contact with another object and that Wolverine’s claws can already cut through anything, making this move silly and pointless. Then the episode ends with Magneto picking up the picture that fell from the wall, cause I guess no one picked that up, with the same picture already on the wall in the background.
I have not gotten to see it but it is nice to see a classic cartoon brought back and seemingly actually faithful. I feel you on being able to enjoy things again. And yeah, X-Men Evolution was great. Many have pointed out how flawed the "Hating Mutants = Bigotry" Allegory is even without other sharing the world with other super powered beings that the same people have less problem with.
First of all, the show definitely can't be considered bad (so far) but oh boy, do I have some issues. First of the animation. I honestly don't know why people praise it as much as they do. It looks janky, they move like some frames are missing, and in the intro when they run they look like they're sliding across the screen. The 90s animation looks much better, and it has more details. Also, I'm not a fan of how they handled Bolivar Trask in the first episode. Why is he making Sentinels (also how with no government support) and how could he have another Master Mold? The last time he did this Master Mold went rogue and Trask regretted making the decision, saying he made something "truly inhuman" indicating his views on mutants not being human have changed, not to mention he also tried destroying Master Mold himself. I honestly felt like his character was ruined for Sentinel nostalgia bait. Also, during the trial of Magneto, the man was way too easily forgiven for all the horrible stuff he committed, by both the X-Men and the judges. And how come they aren't double-checking his sudden claim of having Charles' last will and testament? Yeah, he might be planning something but the fact the characters aren't picking up on obvious clues is kinda dumb. Also, Magneto and Rogue... No. Just no. Not only is it weird, it makes no sense continuity-wise. There are good things like some character interactions, Cyclops (my favorite X-Man) is definitely getting justice done to him, and the last twist has me interested, but I'm not holding too much hope for this project
I thought I was alone. Here are my issues with this show The FoH have Roberto in a mutant collar, but how did they catch him? Because he tells jubilee that he doesn’t like to use or show off his powers. So how did they know he’s a mutant and why would he just go with them or allow himself to be taken? We also don’t know anything about him, except for his name and he’s trying to bride them. Why wouldn’t he have done this before capture? Then it’s gets cold and the sky thunders. Then we can hear Storms voice booming saying her line “I’m storm mistress of the elements” which is a call back to the OG premier episode. However Storm is talking to the sentinel in front of her, that works because it’s an enclosed environment and she is talking to someone. Her entrance seems like she was carrying a megaphone. She and bishop crash in and it’s exciting yes, but personally feels more like empty spectacle than anything. Compare to the OG premiere where it’s set up better. We meet Jubilee, we get information about her from her foster parents. She unknowingly had a Sentinel pursuing her, she then bumps into Storm and Rogue and they too meet her by chance. They also don’t know that a sentinel is coming, so when the fight begins, it spectacular because it’s been built up. Here there’s none of that. Then cyclops blast his way in and it’s amazing to see cyclops be a badass. However him opening his eyes at his human captors goes against everything about him and the cause and effects of their powers. Cyclops wears his visor to control the intensity of his powers, because without them he could blow a hole in a mountain. This is information that was mentioned several times in the OG show and the films. So what happened here? Someone tried to excuse it as “we see one of them in episode two” but that just takes away any stakes of the show and takes the cause and effects of their powers. Just to make something look cool. Then the episode has two more callbacks to the OG premiere show when Roberto wakes up in a bed just like the OG premiere episode and Hank is hanging upside down. Then the show has so much information dump but never once does anyone ask, How did you all know where he was? Why did they rescue him? Did Jean sense him or something? Did she use Cerebro? Did his parents ask they look for him? I don’t know and this show won’t tell you. Then for some reason Roberto is in the Danger Room, for some reason because Jubilee was in the Danger Room. Except she ran in there by accident and not by choice. I mean she doesn’t even know what his powers are and he’s just thrown into the danger room. Wouldn’t they have asked him first? What if his powers were more defensive than offensive, he could be killed. But whatever I guess. The Holographic Magneto looks amazing by the way. Sometimes the animation has great flow and other times it’s a bit static and sometimes the audio doesn’t line up with the visuals but the same is true for the OG. Wolverine then tackles and scares him. Why? He doesn’t know him, why would they allow him to do that, except to add another call back to when Wolverine tackled Gambit and tells him to say Uncle. Jean and Scott are talking to the UN president on a treadmill because once again that’s what happened in the OG premiere episode and personally it’s getting old. It makes what you’re watching feel incredibly predictable. The three of them are discussing Trask and Gyrich and them shutting down their sentinel base in season one. Except they battle the sentinels two more times, in Genosha they built a new Factory and had mutants imprisoned. Strom, Gambit and Jubilee were among them. Also Mastermold was finally defeated by Moprh in the episode Courage. They also destroyed any remaining sentinels. But this episode completely ignores those two very important encounters. Scott looks out the window and we can clearly see Wolverine, Jubilee, Gambit and Morph playing basketball. Nevermind both Jubilee and Wolverine were with Roberto only a few moments ago. A basketball breaks in the window, and jubilee is blasting Wolverine for scaring Roberto off. I guess he did it while they played Basketball? Because last we saw the three of them together was in the Danger Room. So did they change clothes first and not talk about it? Did he scare him while they were playing, if so where was he? The OG had its issue but it rarely had this many pacing, editing and story issue in one episode. Then we get a dance club scene for some reason. Now the final fight has some cool moments but since when is there a module in the sentinels where someone can control it and when did Beast get superhuman strength, so strong he can lift a sentinel. Too bad he didn’t have super strength in the OG. The of course the gambit charging Wolverine claws, which would cause Wolverines hands to blow up once they made contact with another object and that Wolverine’s claws can already cut through anything, making this move silly and pointless. Then the episode ends with Magneto picking up the picture that fell from the wall, cause I guess no one picked that up, with the same picture already on the wall in the background.
Episode two was less offensive on the memberberries of the OG premiere episode. But I didn’t like how the episode played out. It was making Magneto more sympathetic and I personally get annoyed with that. Magneto has also attacked many factories and army facilities unprovoked and even the X-men unprovoked. This feel very much like Wandavision and Falcon and Winter Soldier. Especially when he takes the judges and X-Cutiner hi above the sky. Because nothing says”I’m not a threat”, by taking regular folk high into the sky against their will and blaming them for what happened. And no I don’t care about his speech to them, he has them at a disadvantage, how does this make him look sympathetic? During the battle at the trial, Storm clearly sees X-Cutiner aiming his gun at magneto. But instead of hitting him with lightning, a gust of wind, or anything. But no she instead flies in front of the blast. Why? I know many will say “this was in the comics” however she wasn’t aware the shooter and the shooter wasn’t aiming at her. Her back was away from them preoccupied with other matters. Also why is Wolverine taking Jean to a hospital? They have a medical wing and yes her powers would manifest while in labor and I would think the X mansion would be better equipped for any mutant powers than a regular hospital. Also Beast is a medical doctor, he has performed surgery before and remember he restored a young girls sight in the OG show. So why wasn’t beast with Jean? Or why didn’t Wolverine take Jean down to the medical wing in the mansion and Cyclops orders beast to go back to the x mansion? This is what bothers me with he writing is this show so far. Nothing seems fully thought out.
I’m hearing good things about it. (But didn’t Lilandra take Xavier back to her planet to cure him? When did he die?) Anyway, I will wait until all the episodes drop before even thinking of starting this. (But yes, I did get chills when Cyclops says To me my Xmen.)
I was going to assume that they ignored the shi'ar subplots, because they frame Xavier's farewell scene in the trailer as an actual death, and everyone acts like he's dead in-show. But then they showed lilandra in the episode 3 opening titles, so now everything's up in the air again.
Unpopular take, but I don't give a shit about X-Men 97, this show already had a great run, if they want to reboot an old Marvel cartoon with the same art style, it should've been Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes, that show was canceled and left unfinished
Are you sure that is cable? because technically cable is the son of cyclops and madelyne pryor (jean's clone), i'm not sure if they are changing it for the show or not
At the end of episode 2 a second Jean Grey shows up to the manor which implies that the Jean we've been following is actually Maddie so yeah, it's Cable.
The show is watchable, but I hesitate to call it good. There's a LOT of cramming and ramming of plot/story points, it's very fast pased. The issue with the cramming of Comic points into the show is the ones they chose were not actually shown in the original series. At no point were Mags and Rogue an item in the show. Also, the Trial of Magneto was... Problematic. He gets exonerated of years of committing terrorist acts by not killing everyone at his trial? Really? That's the bar we're setting now? Sounds a lot like Modern Comic writing. I liked that they showed love to mah boi Cyke. Claremont did a lot of damage to him...
Personally I found the X-Men ‘97 to be a “fell flat of expectations” attempt to recapture lightning in a bottle that was the known and loved Uncanny X-Men. It should have attempted to be its own voice rather than cashing in on nostalgia. It worked for X-Men Evolution.
Episode two was less offensive on the memberberries of the OG premiere episode. But I didn’t like how the episode played out. It was making Magneto more sympathetic and I personally get annoyed with that. Magneto has also attacked many factories and army facilities unprovoked and even the X-men unprovoked. This feel very much like Wandavision and Falcon and Winter Soldier. Especially when he takes the judges and X-Cutiner hi above the sky. Because nothing says”I’m not a threat”, by taking regular folk high into the sky against their will and blaming them for what happened. And no I don’t care about his speech to them, he has them at a disadvantage, how does this make him look sympathetic? During the battle at the trial, Storm clearly sees X-Cutiner aiming his gun at magneto. But instead of hitting him with lightning, a gust of wind, or anything. But no she instead flies in front of the blast. Why? I know many will say “this was in the comics” however she wasn’t aware the shooter and the shooter wasn’t aiming at her. Her back was away from them preoccupied with other matters. Also why is Wolverine taking Jean to a hospital? They have a medical wing and yes her powers would manifest while in labor and I would think the X mansion would be better equipped for any mutant powers than a regular hospital. Also Beast is a medical doctor, he has performed surgery before and remember he restored a young girls sight in the OG show. So why wasn’t beast with Jean? Or why didn’t Wolverine take Jean down to the medical wing in the mansion and Cyclops orders beast to go back to the x mansion? This is what bothers me with he writing is this show so far. Nothing seems fully thought out.
KKKitty Pryde is my favorite mutant (she's done it twice, as far as I know). Thanks for acknowledging that whatever polite and socially acceptable talking points Stan Lee put out later, Mutants were never meant to be allegorical. It's frustrating to watch people keep trying to jam a square peg into a round hole for decades while everybody celebrates their ineptitude. They'd have to totally rework the mechanics behind mutation to even begin to approach fertile ground for allegory.
Doesn't matter if Stan intended this way or not, the team only became popular afther Chris Clemont take over the book and him and subsequent writers always pushed this point
@@Gabe600 First: Chris Claremont? Did you mean Len Wein? Deadly Genesis was popular out of the gate. Second: If you smoke for years before you get lung cancer, and smoking felt good during that time, does that mean it was okay? Opening the way for progressive parasites to latch onto your property is not a point of pride, even if people pat you on the back for it. Third: Define "pushed". Claremont's best trait was juggling soap opera plots, adventure serial, and light-hearted character interludes. There's this minor character in X-Men, kinda niche. None of his appeal comes from allegory or victim status. Oh no wait, that's Wolverine, the second-most popular Marvel character ever created. Hmmm.
I respect your opinion and agreed with you 100% on Revolution and Revelation but I have to disagree with you here. It's not very good at all IMO. My biggest complaint is that the UN just let Magneto go after all his crimes. In one of his first appearances he launched nuclear missiles onto the US. That would put most people in jail for their entire life if not worse. But here he's forgiven even after nearly killing the UN.
At least in the comic they're pulling this story from Magneto used his powers to brainwash the judges into pardoning him instead of outright threatening them.
X-Men was nowhere near "one of the first superhero cartoons," my dear J. The Super Friends, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Space Ghost, Captain Caveman, Voltron, Battle Of The Planets, Speed Racer, Masters Of The Universe, Plastic Man...and those are just a handful that I could think of within my youth. Heck, the series wasn't even the first time the X-Men were presented in animated TV production. I don't know when the first time happened, but the team was featured in at least two episodes of Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends. Iceman and Firestar were former X-Men too.
@@ronanjager3829 My message was for J. The fact that you (and other people) read my message was a happenstance. She made an error. I offered examples to demonstrate her error. The fact that "we already know that" also highlights how egregious her mistake was.
@@BEEZY-c7q The quote said FIRST, not best, great, awesome, ideal, wonderful, coolest, great, or good. I was correcting an error, not commentating on an opinion.
They do. Watch the first season episode "Slave Island" from 1993. Gambit, Storm and Jubilee were all captured and taken to Genosha, where they were given collars to suppress their powers. Those events are probably the reason why the technology was banned or destroyed, to prevent another mutant concentration camp from being built. It's also possible that long term use of the collars has some nasty side effects.
@Rocket1377 He was being sarcastic at how easy it is to solve Rogue's no touchy problem in the show (and comic if we're being honest). There's never been any indication of negative side effects in the show, so there's no reason to headcanon them in. It's just a huge writing problem that even the og show had.
@@Rocket1377Even if there were side effects from long term use that wouldn't stop her from using a dampened for the occasional night out or evening clapping session.
Rogue's still not being able to touch people is ridiculously stupid when you remember and are reminded in 97 that power dampenr collars are a thing. Theres no way Beast wouldnt be able to rig up one of those in a smaller container. Shes whining while there is literally an easy solution to her problem.
X Man 97 is better than He-Man Revelation 😊 i say that because of the they kill of He-Man 2 times 😢 but 97 X Man got it Right with the story 😊 that i I'm happy about
That sure is a nice rug you're standing on. Sure would be a shame if this superhero show decided to just pull it out from under you. But what are the odds a modern show would do that to a nostalgic property such as this? Thank goodness there isn't already a recognizable pattern of that sort of thing happening.
I found the attack on Magneto's trial by the Friends of Humanity was idiotic. Especially when they targeted the judges for trying Maneto instead of just killing him.
I'm not a fan of comics and superheroes in general, but I did grow up with shows like this and Batman: The Animated Series and have definitely taken a direct hit to the nostalgia. I will approach it with cautious optimism.
Was very surprised at the retcon that Magento had been clapping Rogue in the past. Im curious how develop that going forward. It definitely doesnt look good for Gambit. Maybe he'll end up becoming a horseman of the apocalypse like in the comics.
I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled you in with the first few episodes just to push woke shit in the second half. It's happening to me too many times at this point.
What's your thoughts on episode 3 J? I personally feel like it was super fast paced and resolved some major plot points extremely quickly which made them feel sort of lackluster and anticlimactic.
While the artstyle does give me some discomfort, I have to say that the characters are great. But right now the audience are pretty much looking for anything good, so our standards have pretty much diminished. Will continue to follow this series and see if it'll live up to its first episode, or crash and burn like everything else that's coming out of hollywood. Hoping for the former, for sure.
VELMA IS COMING BACK! But I have an idea for making this awful series go away: DON'T WATCH IT! NOT EVEN FOR HATE-WATCHING! IF WE WATCH IT WE ARE JUST GIVING IT WHAT IT WANTS! NO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT EPISODES, CHARACTERS OR ANYTHING Just... DON'T WATCH IT!
The art style and the animation is vastly inferior to the first 4 seasons of the xmen tas. And they barely tie the meme season 5. Had this been done by a japanese studio, they would have committed seppuku in shame.
One thing that was unnecessary is making Morph non binary. 97 takes place in the late 90’s-early 2000’s. That term wouldn’t be used until the late 2010’s. Apparently if a character shapes shifts that automatically means that they don’t want to identify with their sex. This happened with the character of Camilo from Encanto. Many people made a head cannon that he was nonbinary or gender fluid. This movie takes place in the 1950’s. In many different myths there are shape shifters that’ll change their appearance to look like the opposite sex. I find it annoying when fans and writers do that. Another thing about Morph is his new design. It seems bland in my opinion.
The term is recent but NBs have existed in cultures throughout the world for a long time. Hinduism have them their lore, and the Bugis of Indonesia always had them as one of their people's five genders.
Pretty sure the term is never said during the story, and just because a word used to describe one thing didn't existed or wasn't well know at the time doesn't mean the thing it describes doesn't exist either, and I don't know what part of being able to change your own sex would make someones question their own identity is a hard concept to grasp, and for last that idea isn't original from the show it comes from Morph from the comics
As much as I did enjoy the nostalgia of the X-Men '97, I kept being distracted by how aged some of the voice of the original cast sounded, especially Rogue. But I don't think I will keep watching if the Magneto x Rogue ship sails (sir, you have three grown adult children!). I know it was in the comics (whether it was a younger clone of Magneto or another version of them), but I still don't like it.
If they make any references to Age of Apocalypse, we will find ourselves not only with Magneto being married to Rogue (who is younger than any of his three children), but also them having a child together.
I am a fan of Cyclops, and want him to be treated with respect, but that Optic Blast-skateboarding nonsense was cringe af. It was as bad as Gambit riding on Logan's back. Just fanfiction levels of amateur drivel.
If it's good, it's for good reason; and that's the bad news. From the jump, the director blasted any writers who secretly hated the source material; he told them, 'If you have an agenda, don't work for me. X-Men fans only!' Then, after he directed most of season one and finished outlining season two, they promptly shitcanned him. For, of all things, having an only fans account; something that has nothing to do with the project. A gay only fans, if I recall. My take? The woke minders bided their time, waited for a guy with talent and passion for the comics to do all the bothersome WRITING, and now they're going to gleefully cannibalize any hard-earned repute the show's first few episodes, or first season, will garner; incrementally smuggling more and more communist piss in the lemonade and calling anyone names who asks, 'Does this taste salty?' until their piss is the whole pitcher. Disney. Hates. You. Stop giving them money.
Humans in the Marvel universe: Create super combat robots to destroy mutants. Also humans in the Marvel universe: Do not react at all to an alien invasion.
Reminder that not all mutants get omega level powers. Some just get a normal/mutation. And are still hunted dowm for it. I can't remember the issue, but in one of the chapters of the 90's comic, one mutant with the power to JUST turn ugly gets hunted down and beaten to DEATH by a buncha of assholes. SO NO. THEY ARE NOT DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BECAUSE OF THEIR STRENGTH, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
A mutant with nuclear powers obliterated a whole town and the X-Men in the comics currently are basically a cult that only cares for themselves. Miss me with that talk. (Btw who keeps deleting my comments can go take a hike)
People always love to make fun of Storm’s line to Toad in X-Men 1, but I’ll take that over what she tells Rogue in X-Men 3. That was the more cringy line
As a kid, I sided with Charles for aiming to have mutants and humans live side by side peacefully. As I got older and began to understand the nuance of XMen's themes, I began to understand Magneto's segregation perspective. Even the mutant registration act began to make sense. Not all mutants are good guys and not all humans are bad guys.
Holy shit, did we just get the unsolicited “segregation good, actually” comment any% world record?
@@MosesSuppose Hmmm. What's so bad about segregation? Aren't the most prosperous examples of any non-white group in America ethnic enclaves? Doesn't the First Amendment's protection of Freedom of Association extend to segregation? People would never support limiting Freedom of Speech, so why are they so quick to give up their Freedom of Association?
no way you just advocated for segregation bro.
@@MosesSuppose I think what he meant as be got older he realised that the hyperthetical problem of having people who could possibly destroy a town at a whim and those who cannot existing couldnt be simply answered with "lets all be friend's". I don't think it's an endorsement of real life segregation (at least I hope not) but maybe a realisation of problems we face ourselves similar to this can have multiple perspectives some being virtuous others being horrific.
I recognize that panel shown 6:36. That one black guy kept using the term Mutie, a slur for Mutants and he doesn't care that it could be hurtful, so she calls him the N-word. It was a good way to show that your skin color doesn't mean you can't be bigoted towards someone else. It's like today how a lot of showrunners, writers, and creators just dismiss criticism from others as whatever word they like to use at the time.
While this is true, don't pretend like their aren't actual bigots who complain about things being woke just because they have lgbt+ or characters of color. UA-cam is filled with them.
I agree that mutants are an imperfect allegory for social prejudice and injustice. Many mutants are dangerous, both to others and themselves. Humanity's fear is a legitimate grievance.
Personally, I think the allegory only works when mutants are the only people in the respective continuity that have super powers, like in the Fox live-action films. Hatred and fear of mutants specifically works less and less in the comics with each passing year, and I doubt it will work in the MCU.
If I lived in a world where aliens, Demi gods, actual gods, monsters, vampires, witches, sorcerers, clones, cyborgs, AI androids, beings that consume planets, and hundreds of humans using exotic technology that can let them do anything from talking to animals to teleporting to hypnosis to time travel... am I really going to single out mutants as the bane of existence? 🤷
The allegory was never part of the XMEN's creation, that was a then modern interpretation that readers ran with. It just became the common belief over time and no one really ever checks if it's true.
I've never understood why the mutant hate didn't extend to most powered heros like spiderman. In both cases their children will be genetically superior to normal humans.
@@jeggsonvohees2201 There are NUMEROUS interviews with Stan Lee that affirmed how mutants became an allegory for social injustice, once he and Marvel hit a stride with the X-Men brand.
I really did enjoy the 2 episodes so far. I like the characterization especially with Magneto and how the show further explores his relationship with Professor X with the will.
I'm more interested in his relationship with Rogue. It was wild finding out he clapped those cheeks in the past.
Storm doesn't have it easy. She constantly has to keep her emotions in check so she doesn't lose control of her powers that's why she's always so poised. She has an emotional prison where as rogue has a physical one.
She carries a lot on her shoulders. She's the one that carries the team.
i'm still being cautious.
Um what are you talking about. Xmen was not the first Marvel Animated Series. In the late 70s and early 80s we had..... Spiderman, The Hulk, The Fantastic Four, Spiderman and his Amazing Friends.
We know that already, you don't need to spell it out for us. Just go along with it you don't have make this big deal.
@ronanjager3829 who is making a big deal. Just pointing out an error she made.
Those don't count because they weren't well made shows, they were cheaply made.
@jeggsonvohees2201 they count and every Gen Xer loved them.
What about the old 60's Hulk and Spider-man?
X Men: The Animated Series is an awesome show and X Men 97 is alright.
Better than what Kevin Smith did with He-Man.
The episodes are adapting the comics right now so there is less to mess up, the real question is are they going to keep to it, or will they start inserting more modern perceptions.
The racism allegory would definitely work better if there weren’t so many omega level mutants or people who’ve been hurt by their powers.
Its not just the powerful mutants. Its mutants who are clearly using their powers for crime. Even small time stuff like Pyro robbing a bank warants the fear. A gun, you can understand and level the playing field with your own gun but a mutant with powers you don't understand isn't easy to deal with.
yup, specially when people are fearing what they COULD do (i.e storm, xavier, etc..) rather than what they did/will do.
imagine living a normal life then suddenly the world goes into an eternal winter just because storm had one bad day and broke.
6:37 Yo my barber had that comic in a basket filled with other comics while you waited for your turn I remember the cover art and that it had a Nesquik mini comic and an ad for an Oreo cup but in seriousness i was surprised that I enjoyed these 2 episodes I’m interested in Magneto on if he’s actually gonna be a good guy or playing the long game
I can hear Kelsey Grammer saying: Hello I’m Doctor Henry McCoy and you’re on the air.
Or singing the “Tossed salad and scrambled eggs.” song
@@princessmarlena1359 🎼🎹🎹🎹🎹They’re Calling Again🎶🎹🎹🎹
I definitely think the bar is just very low right now. Time will tell if this stays consistent given what I've seen the what the writers think, and they sound like typical Marvel - and with typical Marvel, nothing stays good.
One thing people don't seem to talk about is the fight scene with Cyclops. They never seem to catch the problem with it. Other then the villain having good points. A modern Marvel trope.
I disagree what point does the villain have. Also when it comes to marvel cartoons they're usually good
@@animezilla4486 How regular people have it just as hard if not harder then mutants, especially when you have people that can kill them in seconds.
@@MaverickhunterXZero okay fair enough
The bar must be low indeed if you're OK with Magneto getting a pardon, because he doesn't kill anyone at his own trial for terrorism. That was terrible writing in my point.
The FoH have Roberto in a mutant collar, but how did they catch him? Because he tells jubilee that he doesn’t like to use or show off his powers. So how did they know he’s a mutant and why would he just go with them or allow himself to be taken? We also don’t know anything about him, except for his name and he’s trying to bride them. Why wouldn’t he have done this before capture? Then it’s gets cold and the sky thunders. Then we can hear Storms voice booming saying her line “I’m storm mistress of the elements” which is a call back to the OG premier episode. However Storm is talking to the sentinel in front of her, that works because it’s an enclosed environment and she is talking to someone. Her entrance seems like she was carrying a megaphone. She and bishop crash in and it’s exciting yes, but personally feels more like empty spectacle than anything. Compare to the OG premiere where it’s set up better. We meet Jubilee, we get information about her from her foster parents. She unknowingly had a Sentinel pursuing her, she then bumps into Storm and Rogue and they too meet her by chance. They also don’t know that a sentinel is coming, so when the fight begins, it spectacular because it’s been built up. Here there’s none of that. Then cyclops blast his way in and it’s amazing to see cyclops be a badass. However him opening his eyes at his human captors goes against everything about him and the cause and effects of their powers. Cyclops wears his visor to control the intensity of his powers, because without them he could blow a hole in a mountain. This is information that was mentioned several times in the OG show and the films. So what happened here? Someone tried to excuse it as “we see one of them in episode two” but that just takes away any stakes of the show and takes the cause and effects of their powers. Just to make something look cool. Then the episode has two more callbacks to the OG premiere show when Roberto wakes up in a bed just like the OG premiere episode and Hank is hanging upside down. Then the show has so much information dump but never once does anyone ask, How did you all know where he was? Why did they rescue him? Did Jean sense him or something? Did she use Cerebro? Did his parents ask they look for him? I don’t know and this show won’t tell you. Then for some reason Roberto is in the Danger Room, for some reason because Jubilee was in the Danger Room. Except she ran in there by accident and not by choice. I mean she doesn’t even know what his powers are and he’s just thrown into the danger room. Wouldn’t they have asked him first? What if his powers were more defensive than offensive, he could be killed. But whatever I guess. The Holographic Magneto looks amazing by the way. Sometimes the animation has great flow and other times it’s a bit static and sometimes the audio doesn’t line up with the visuals but the same is true for the OG. Wolverine then tackles and scares him. Why? He doesn’t know him, why would they allow him to do that, except to add another call back to when Wolverine tackled Gambit and tells him to say Uncle. Jean and Scott are talking to the UN president on a treadmill because once again that’s what happened in the OG premiere episode and personally it’s getting old. It makes what you’re watching feel incredibly predictable. The three of them are discussing Trask and Gyrich and them shutting down their sentinel base in season one. Except they battle the sentinels two more times, in Genosha they built a new Factory and had mutants imprisoned. Strom, Gambit and Jubilee were among them. Also Mastermold was finally defeated by Moprh in the episode Courage. They also destroyed any remaining sentinels. But this episode completely ignores those two very important encounters. Scott looks out the window and we can clearly see Wolverine, Jubilee, Gambit and Morph playing basketball. Nevermind both Jubilee and Wolverine were with Roberto only a few moments ago. A basketball breaks in the window, and jubilee is blasting Wolverine for scaring Roberto off. I guess he did it while they played Basketball? Because last we saw the three of them together was in the Danger Room. So did they change clothes first and not talk about it? Did he scare him while they were playing, if so where was he? The OG had its issue but it rarely had this many pacing, editing and story issue in one episode. Then we get a dance club scene for some reason. Now the final fight has some cool moments but since when is there a module in the sentinels where someone can control it and when did Beast get superhuman strength, so strong he can lift a sentinel. Too bad he didn’t have super strength in the OG. The of course the gambit charging Wolverine claws, which would cause Wolverines hands to blow up once they made contact with another object and that Wolverine’s claws can already cut through anything, making this move silly and pointless. Then the episode ends with Magneto picking up the picture that fell from the wall, cause I guess no one picked that up, with the same picture already on the wall in the background.
honestly I found a few plot holes in it and the magneto and rogue thing is weird
On the allegory part.
I half agree with you.
It's often used in an awkward way especially since most stories don't emphasize or make clear the fact most mutants don't have powers that are even slightly useful.
That roll of the dice will give you naturally purple hair or a lizard tail on most rolls and these mutants do get hate leveled against them largely due to their appearance.
So there it is making a excellent point.
With the more powerful ones I feel more nuance should be explored.
The stories should judge them on an individual basis as while true some have harmful and destruction powers others or innately beneficial.
The individuals using those abilities also greatly influence how they are perceived.
For example when Cyclops loses his visor fighting X-Cutioner he actively chooses not to defend himself because his eye blasts might harm civilians.
There us some obvious hints at modern politics. I f you know the beliefs of the creative team, you will hear them.
Wait, it was actually good? That's... unexpected
I'm guessing you have to have watched all of the original to get this? Haven't seen most of it yet
Also, why is magneto immune to rogue? Is that explained in show/comics?
You don’t really need to watch the og show. 97 will either show or tell you the important stuff you need to know.
Where's the update video after the finale?
So far, I am pleasantly surprised that the series was so good. I hope it continues too stay good
I watched the first two episodes and I liked them. Though there are things I don't like, like Magneto x Rogue and X-men letting Magneto endanger people.
rogue at the end of the wanting to be cured storyline learns she doesn't want to be cured and realises her powers are what makes her what she is. It's from my perspective an alagory on autism and the people wanting to cure autism. It's fine to develop tools that help people deal with their powers like cyclop's glasses, like its fine to develop tools to deal with someone's autism like schedules (they work for some people I think, might be a bad example). but curing it is like removing what someone is
The FoH have Roberto in a mutant collar, but how did they catch him? Because he tells jubilee that he doesn’t like to use or show off his powers. So how did they know he’s a mutant and why would he just go with them or allow himself to be taken? We also don’t know anything about him, except for his name and he’s trying to bride them. Why wouldn’t he have done this before capture? Then it’s gets cold and the sky thunders. Then we can hear Storms voice booming saying her line “I’m storm mistress of the elements” which is a call back to the OG premier episode. However Storm is talking to the sentinel in front of her, that works because it’s an enclosed environment and she is talking to someone. Her entrance seems like she was carrying a megaphone. She and bishop crash in and it’s exciting yes, but personally feels more like empty spectacle than anything. Compare to the OG premiere where it’s set up better. We meet Jubilee, we get information about her from her foster parents. She unknowingly had a Sentinel pursuing her, she then bumps into Storm and Rogue and they too meet her by chance. They also don’t know that a sentinel is coming, so when the fight begins, it spectacular because it’s been built up. Here there’s none of that. Then cyclops blast his way in and it’s amazing to see cyclops be a badass. However him opening his eyes at his human captors goes against everything about him and the cause and effects of their powers. Cyclops wears his visor to control the intensity of his powers, because without them he could blow a hole in a mountain. This is information that was mentioned several times in the OG show and the films. So what happened here? Someone tried to excuse it as “we see one of them in episode two” but that just takes away any stakes of the show and takes the cause and effects of their powers. Just to make something look cool. Then the episode has two more callbacks to the OG premiere show when Roberto wakes up in a bed just like the OG premiere episode and Hank is hanging upside down. Then the show has so much information dump but never once does anyone ask, How did you all know where he was? Why did they rescue him? Did Jean sense him or something? Did she use Cerebro? Did his parents ask they look for him? I don’t know and this show won’t tell you. Then for some reason Roberto is in the Danger Room, for some reason because Jubilee was in the Danger Room. Except she ran in there by accident and not by choice. I mean she doesn’t even know what his powers are and he’s just thrown into the danger room. Wouldn’t they have asked him first? What if his powers were more defensive than offensive, he could be killed. But whatever I guess. The Holographic Magneto looks amazing by the way. Sometimes the animation has great flow and other times it’s a bit static and sometimes the audio doesn’t line up with the visuals but the same is true for the OG. Wolverine then tackles and scares him. Why? He doesn’t know him, why would they allow him to do that, except to add another call back to when Wolverine tackled Gambit and tells him to say Uncle. Jean and Scott are talking to the UN president on a treadmill because once again that’s what happened in the OG premiere episode and personally it’s getting old. It makes what you’re watching feel incredibly predictable. The three of them are discussing Trask and Gyrich and them shutting down their sentinel base in season one. Except they battle the sentinels two more times, in Genosha they built a new Factory and had mutants imprisoned. Strom, Gambit and Jubilee were among them. Also Mastermold was finally defeated by Moprh in the episode Courage. They also destroyed any remaining sentinels. But this episode completely ignores those two very important encounters. Scott looks out the window and we can clearly see Wolverine, Jubilee, Gambit and Morph playing basketball. Nevermind both Jubilee and Wolverine were with Roberto only a few moments ago. A basketball breaks in the window, and jubilee is blasting Wolverine for scaring Roberto off. I guess he did it while they played Basketball? Because last we saw the three of them together was in the Danger Room. So did they change clothes first and not talk about it? Did he scare him while they were playing, if so where was he? The OG had its issue but it rarely had this many pacing, editing and story issue in one episode. Then we get a dance club scene for some reason. Now the final fight has some cool moments but since when is there a module in the sentinels where someone can control it and when did Beast get superhuman strength, so strong he can lift a sentinel. Too bad he didn’t have super strength in the OG. The of course the gambit charging Wolverine claws, which would cause Wolverines hands to blow up once they made contact with another object and that Wolverine’s claws can already cut through anything, making this move silly and pointless. Then the episode ends with Magneto picking up the picture that fell from the wall, cause I guess no one picked that up, with the same picture already on the wall in the background.
I have not gotten to see it but it is nice to see a classic cartoon brought back and seemingly actually faithful. I feel you on being able to enjoy things again. And yeah, X-Men Evolution was great.
Many have pointed out how flawed the "Hating Mutants = Bigotry" Allegory is even without other sharing the world with other super powered beings that the same people have less problem with.
The aspect ratio for this show is making me melt
It will never beat the Uncanny X-Men.
There’s rumors of a continuation of Spidermsn TAS
even though freshman year's still on the docket?
It's not going to last
Perhaps there is hope
"It's good"
- For now, but not for long.
First of all, the show definitely can't be considered bad (so far) but oh boy, do I have some issues. First of the animation. I honestly don't know why people praise it as much as they do. It looks janky, they move like some frames are missing, and in the intro when they run they look like they're sliding across the screen. The 90s animation looks much better, and it has more details. Also, I'm not a fan of how they handled Bolivar Trask in the first episode. Why is he making Sentinels (also how with no government support) and how could he have another Master Mold? The last time he did this Master Mold went rogue and Trask regretted making the decision, saying he made something "truly inhuman" indicating his views on mutants not being human have changed, not to mention he also tried destroying Master Mold himself. I honestly felt like his character was ruined for Sentinel nostalgia bait. Also, during the trial of Magneto, the man was way too easily forgiven for all the horrible stuff he committed, by both the X-Men and the judges. And how come they aren't double-checking his sudden claim of having Charles' last will and testament? Yeah, he might be planning something but the fact the characters aren't picking up on obvious clues is kinda dumb. Also, Magneto and Rogue... No. Just no. Not only is it weird, it makes no sense continuity-wise. There are good things like some character interactions, Cyclops (my favorite X-Man) is definitely getting justice done to him, and the last twist has me interested, but I'm not holding too much hope for this project
I thought I was alone. Here are my issues with this show
The FoH have Roberto in a mutant collar, but how did they catch him? Because he tells jubilee that he doesn’t like to use or show off his powers. So how did they know he’s a mutant and why would he just go with them or allow himself to be taken? We also don’t know anything about him, except for his name and he’s trying to bride them. Why wouldn’t he have done this before capture? Then it’s gets cold and the sky thunders. Then we can hear Storms voice booming saying her line “I’m storm mistress of the elements” which is a call back to the OG premier episode. However Storm is talking to the sentinel in front of her, that works because it’s an enclosed environment and she is talking to someone. Her entrance seems like she was carrying a megaphone. She and bishop crash in and it’s exciting yes, but personally feels more like empty spectacle than anything. Compare to the OG premiere where it’s set up better. We meet Jubilee, we get information about her from her foster parents. She unknowingly had a Sentinel pursuing her, she then bumps into Storm and Rogue and they too meet her by chance. They also don’t know that a sentinel is coming, so when the fight begins, it spectacular because it’s been built up. Here there’s none of that. Then cyclops blast his way in and it’s amazing to see cyclops be a badass. However him opening his eyes at his human captors goes against everything about him and the cause and effects of their powers. Cyclops wears his visor to control the intensity of his powers, because without them he could blow a hole in a mountain. This is information that was mentioned several times in the OG show and the films. So what happened here? Someone tried to excuse it as “we see one of them in episode two” but that just takes away any stakes of the show and takes the cause and effects of their powers. Just to make something look cool. Then the episode has two more callbacks to the OG premiere show when Roberto wakes up in a bed just like the OG premiere episode and Hank is hanging upside down. Then the show has so much information dump but never once does anyone ask, How did you all know where he was? Why did they rescue him? Did Jean sense him or something? Did she use Cerebro? Did his parents ask they look for him? I don’t know and this show won’t tell you. Then for some reason Roberto is in the Danger Room, for some reason because Jubilee was in the Danger Room. Except she ran in there by accident and not by choice. I mean she doesn’t even know what his powers are and he’s just thrown into the danger room. Wouldn’t they have asked him first? What if his powers were more defensive than offensive, he could be killed. But whatever I guess. The Holographic Magneto looks amazing by the way. Sometimes the animation has great flow and other times it’s a bit static and sometimes the audio doesn’t line up with the visuals but the same is true for the OG. Wolverine then tackles and scares him. Why? He doesn’t know him, why would they allow him to do that, except to add another call back to when Wolverine tackled Gambit and tells him to say Uncle. Jean and Scott are talking to the UN president on a treadmill because once again that’s what happened in the OG premiere episode and personally it’s getting old. It makes what you’re watching feel incredibly predictable. The three of them are discussing Trask and Gyrich and them shutting down their sentinel base in season one. Except they battle the sentinels two more times, in Genosha they built a new Factory and had mutants imprisoned. Strom, Gambit and Jubilee were among them. Also Mastermold was finally defeated by Moprh in the episode Courage. They also destroyed any remaining sentinels. But this episode completely ignores those two very important encounters. Scott looks out the window and we can clearly see Wolverine, Jubilee, Gambit and Morph playing basketball. Nevermind both Jubilee and Wolverine were with Roberto only a few moments ago. A basketball breaks in the window, and jubilee is blasting Wolverine for scaring Roberto off. I guess he did it while they played Basketball? Because last we saw the three of them together was in the Danger Room. So did they change clothes first and not talk about it? Did he scare him while they were playing, if so where was he? The OG had its issue but it rarely had this many pacing, editing and story issue in one episode. Then we get a dance club scene for some reason. Now the final fight has some cool moments but since when is there a module in the sentinels where someone can control it and when did Beast get superhuman strength, so strong he can lift a sentinel. Too bad he didn’t have super strength in the OG. The of course the gambit charging Wolverine claws, which would cause Wolverines hands to blow up once they made contact with another object and that Wolverine’s claws can already cut through anything, making this move silly and pointless. Then the episode ends with Magneto picking up the picture that fell from the wall, cause I guess no one picked that up, with the same picture already on the wall in the background.
Episode two was less offensive on the memberberries of the OG premiere episode. But I didn’t like how the episode played out. It was making Magneto more sympathetic and I personally get annoyed with that. Magneto has also attacked many factories and army facilities unprovoked and even the X-men unprovoked. This feel very much like Wandavision and Falcon and Winter Soldier. Especially when he takes the judges and X-Cutiner hi above the sky. Because nothing says”I’m not a threat”, by taking regular folk high into the sky against their will and blaming them for what happened. And no I don’t care about his speech to them, he has them at a disadvantage, how does this make him look sympathetic? During the battle at the trial, Storm clearly sees X-Cutiner aiming his gun at magneto. But instead of hitting him with lightning, a gust of wind, or anything. But no she instead flies in front of the blast. Why? I know many will say “this was in the comics” however she wasn’t aware the shooter and the shooter wasn’t aiming at her. Her back was away from them preoccupied with other matters. Also why is Wolverine taking Jean to a hospital? They have a medical wing and yes her powers would manifest while in labor and I would think the X mansion would be better equipped for any mutant powers than a regular hospital. Also Beast is a medical doctor, he has performed surgery before and remember he restored a young girls sight in the OG show. So why wasn’t beast with Jean? Or why didn’t Wolverine take Jean down to the medical wing in the mansion and Cyclops orders beast to go back to the x mansion? This is what bothers me with he writing is this show so far. Nothing seems fully thought out.
X-Men 97 gave me hope for Marvel Animation!
Same here, I really feel like these writers understand what the X-Men are about. Plus they're clearly fans of the series.
I’m hearing good things about it. (But didn’t Lilandra take Xavier back to her planet to cure him? When did he die?)
Anyway, I will wait until all the episodes drop before even thinking of starting this. (But yes, I did get chills when Cyclops says To me my Xmen.)
I was going to assume that they ignored the shi'ar subplots, because they frame Xavier's farewell scene in the trailer as an actual death, and everyone acts like he's dead in-show.
But then they showed lilandra in the episode 3 opening titles, so now everything's up in the air again.
Unpopular take, but I don't give a shit about X-Men 97, this show already had a great run, if they want to reboot an old Marvel cartoon with the same art style, it should've been Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes, that show was canceled and left unfinished
i highly doubt marvel will make a reboot there probably going to continue the same thing as x men 97 and make it a continuation to the og
@@Madboygamer. in my mind "remake" means making a new version, "reboot" means continuing an old series
I like it! The characters are being respected and the story feels real. I look forward to seeing more episodes.
I'm looking forward to seeing how badly Gambit gets cucked by Magneto. You can't really compete with being able to touch Rogue.
@jeggsonvohees2201 yea I felt bad for him. All those seasons trying to get with her down the drain.
5:49 That from Ultimate comics .
That Characters are great
Are you sure that is cable? because technically cable is the son of cyclops and madelyne pryor (jean's clone), i'm not sure if they are changing it for the show or not
He was called Nathan so it is indeed Cable.
@@spinningtornado4543 ahhh thanks for the clarification
At the end of episode 2 a second Jean Grey shows up to the manor which implies that the Jean we've been following is actually Maddie so yeah, it's Cable.
@@mjtannertwins ahh i missed that thanks!
The show is watchable, but I hesitate to call it good. There's a LOT of cramming and ramming of plot/story points, it's very fast pased. The issue with the cramming of Comic points into the show is the ones they chose were not actually shown in the original series. At no point were Mags and Rogue an item in the show. Also, the Trial of Magneto was... Problematic. He gets exonerated of years of committing terrorist acts by not killing everyone at his trial? Really? That's the bar we're setting now? Sounds a lot like Modern Comic writing. I liked that they showed love to mah boi Cyke. Claremont did a lot of damage to him...
Personally I found the X-Men ‘97 to be a “fell flat of expectations” attempt to recapture lightning in a bottle that was the known and loved Uncanny X-Men. It should have attempted to be its own voice rather than cashing in on nostalgia. It worked for X-Men Evolution.
Well you're allowed to be wrong
@@Gabe600 And you’re allowed to be a m or on, you’re doing a perfect job of it as well.
@@Gabe600 ok, Marvel bot
Episode two was less offensive on the memberberries of the OG premiere episode. But I didn’t like how the episode played out. It was making Magneto more sympathetic and I personally get annoyed with that. Magneto has also attacked many factories and army facilities unprovoked and even the X-men unprovoked. This feel very much like Wandavision and Falcon and Winter Soldier. Especially when he takes the judges and X-Cutiner hi above the sky. Because nothing says”I’m not a threat”, by taking regular folk high into the sky against their will and blaming them for what happened. And no I don’t care about his speech to them, he has them at a disadvantage, how does this make him look sympathetic? During the battle at the trial, Storm clearly sees X-Cutiner aiming his gun at magneto. But instead of hitting him with lightning, a gust of wind, or anything. But no she instead flies in front of the blast. Why? I know many will say “this was in the comics” however she wasn’t aware the shooter and the shooter wasn’t aiming at her. Her back was away from them preoccupied with other matters. Also why is Wolverine taking Jean to a hospital? They have a medical wing and yes her powers would manifest while in labor and I would think the X mansion would be better equipped for any mutant powers than a regular hospital. Also Beast is a medical doctor, he has performed surgery before and remember he restored a young girls sight in the OG show. So why wasn’t beast with Jean? Or why didn’t Wolverine take Jean down to the medical wing in the mansion and Cyclops orders beast to go back to the x mansion? This is what bothers me with he writing is this show so far. Nothing seems fully thought out.
I think people used the term Bestie in the Nineties
They did.
KKKitty Pryde is my favorite mutant (she's done it twice, as far as I know). Thanks for acknowledging that whatever polite and socially acceptable talking points Stan Lee put out later, Mutants were never meant to be allegorical. It's frustrating to watch people keep trying to jam a square peg into a round hole for decades while everybody celebrates their ineptitude. They'd have to totally rework the mechanics behind mutation to even begin to approach fertile ground for allegory.
Doesn't matter if Stan intended this way or not, the team only became popular afther Chris Clemont take over the book and him and subsequent writers always pushed this point
@@Gabe600 First: Chris Claremont? Did you mean Len Wein? Deadly Genesis was popular out of the gate.
Second: If you smoke for years before you get lung cancer, and smoking felt good during that time, does that mean it was okay? Opening the way for progressive parasites to latch onto your property is not a point of pride, even if people pat you on the back for it.
Third: Define "pushed". Claremont's best trait was juggling soap opera plots, adventure serial, and light-hearted character interludes. There's this minor character in X-Men, kinda niche. None of his appeal comes from allegory or victim status. Oh no wait, that's Wolverine, the second-most popular Marvel character ever created. Hmmm.
I’m not feeling the style, but the characters are good so far.
I respect your opinion and agreed with you 100% on Revolution and Revelation but I have to disagree with you here. It's not very good at all IMO. My biggest complaint is that the UN just let Magneto go after all his crimes. In one of his first appearances he launched nuclear missiles onto the US. That would put most people in jail for their entire life if not worse. But here he's forgiven even after nearly killing the UN.
At least in the comic they're pulling this story from Magneto used his powers to brainwash the judges into pardoning him instead of outright threatening them.
I hope it's good before watching this video
X-Men was nowhere near "one of the first superhero cartoons," my dear J.
The Super Friends, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Space Ghost, Captain Caveman, Voltron, Battle Of The Planets, Speed Racer, Masters Of The Universe, Plastic Man...and those are just a handful that I could think of within my youth.
Heck, the series wasn't even the first time the X-Men were presented in animated TV production. I don't know when the first time happened, but the team was featured in at least two episodes of Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends. Iceman and Firestar were former X-Men too.
You don't need to spell it out for us, because we already know that.
@@ronanjager3829 My message was for J. The fact that you (and other people) read my message was a happenstance.
She made an error. I offered examples to demonstrate her error.
The fact that "we already know that" also highlights how egregious her mistake was.
We are talking about GOOD shows, most of those were poorly made and only stick because of nostalgia.
@@BEEZY-c7q The quote said FIRST, not best, great, awesome, ideal, wonderful, coolest, great, or good. I was correcting an error, not commentating on an opinion.
It's a shame power inhibitor collars don't exist in this world. Rogue would easily be able to have a normal life. Oh well...
They do. Watch the first season episode "Slave Island" from 1993. Gambit, Storm and Jubilee were all captured and taken to Genosha, where they were given collars to suppress their powers.
Those events are probably the reason why the technology was banned or destroyed, to prevent another mutant concentration camp from being built. It's also possible that long term use of the collars has some nasty side effects.
That’s what I’ve said. Beast could easily engineer one say a ring or something that Rouge can wear off duty and take off in battle. But alas…
@Rocket1377 He was being sarcastic at how easy it is to solve Rogue's no touchy problem in the show (and comic if we're being honest). There's never been any indication of negative side effects in the show, so there's no reason to headcanon them in. It's just a huge writing problem that even the og show had.
@@Rocket1377Even if there were side effects from long term use that wouldn't stop her from using a dampened for the occasional night out or evening clapping session.
Rogue's still not being able to touch people is ridiculously stupid when you remember and are reminded in 97 that power dampenr collars are a thing. Theres no way Beast wouldnt be able to rig up one of those in a smaller container. Shes whining while there is literally an easy solution to her problem.
The power dampener have technically even been around since the Hellfire Club days. They used them there.
The dampeners are a symbol of oppression to mutants and are also Implied to be harmful to them.
X Man 97 is better than He-Man Revelation 😊 i say that because of the they kill of He-Man 2 times 😢 but 97 X Man got it Right with the story 😊 that i I'm happy about
That sure is a nice rug you're standing on. Sure would be a shame if this superhero show decided to just pull it out from under you. But what are the odds a modern show would do that to a nostalgic property such as this? Thank goodness there isn't already a recognizable pattern of that sort of thing happening.
What were you saying again?
this continuation is Awesome
I found the attack on Magneto's trial by the Friends of Humanity was idiotic. Especially when they targeted the judges for trying Maneto instead of just killing him.
Nice still caution but nice
I'm not a fan of comics and superheroes in general, but I did grow up with shows like this and Batman: The Animated Series and have definitely taken a direct hit to the nostalgia. I will approach it with cautious optimism.
Now that the show is out are you going to review it I heard it’s really good but I haven’t watched it yet
Bait: Confirmed.
Switch: Incoming.
Was very surprised at the retcon that Magento had been clapping Rogue in the past. Im curious how develop that going forward. It definitely doesnt look good for Gambit.
Maybe he'll end up becoming a horseman of the apocalypse like in the comics.
I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled you in with the first few episodes just to push woke shit in the second half. It's happening to me too many times at this point.
Seek help
Get help OP the XMen have always been woke.
@@Fafnd This show was always woke so it really shows when people complain about it.
@@kai8618You were always woke.
@@FafndAnd gay. And terrorists. And whiners.
5:39 Sideshow Bob has a point
What's your thoughts on episode 3 J? I personally feel like it was super fast paced and resolved some major plot points extremely quickly which made them feel sort of lackluster and anticlimactic.
While the artstyle does give me some discomfort, I have to say that the characters are great.
But right now the audience are pretty much looking for anything good, so our standards have pretty much diminished.
Will continue to follow this series and see if it'll live up to its first episode, or crash and burn like everything else that's coming out of hollywood.
Hoping for the former, for sure.
How useful is Jean Grey? Is she finally competent? I don't wanna watch her trip and moan all the time again....
She spends most her time pregnant, in these two episodes.
@@SlitheringpeanutWell, at least that's a good reason for being out of action
Oh sweet summer child Bestie has been around since the early 90s 😅
Them removing that godawful activist showrunner is nothing but good news
Im approaching this with a grain of salt. Luckily the first eps weren't woke or pandering.
VELMA IS COMING BACK! But I have an idea for making this awful series go away: DON'T WATCH IT! NOT EVEN FOR HATE-WATCHING! IF WE WATCH IT WE ARE JUST GIVING IT WHAT IT WANTS! NO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT EPISODES, CHARACTERS OR ANYTHING Just... DON'T WATCH IT!
Agreed
The art style and the animation is vastly inferior to the first 4 seasons of the xmen tas. And they barely tie the meme season 5. Had this been done by a japanese studio, they would have committed seppuku in shame.
Hahaha No it's not
It’s actually a great allegory
Yep, alphabet people are mutants, I agree completely. 😅
One thing that was unnecessary is making Morph non binary. 97 takes place in the late 90’s-early 2000’s. That term wouldn’t be used until the late 2010’s. Apparently if a character shapes shifts that automatically means that they don’t want to identify with their sex. This happened with the character of Camilo from Encanto. Many people made a head cannon that he was nonbinary or gender fluid. This movie takes place in the 1950’s. In many different myths there are shape shifters that’ll change their appearance to look like the opposite sex. I find it annoying when fans and writers do that. Another thing about Morph is his new design. It seems bland in my opinion.
The term is recent but NBs have existed in cultures throughout the world for a long time. Hinduism have them their lore, and the Bugis of Indonesia always had them as one of their people's five genders.
@@syafiqjabar Yeah but how many people in 90-2000's USA are going to know that, let alone identify that way.
Pretty sure the term is never said during the story, and just because a word used to describe one thing didn't existed or wasn't well know at the time doesn't mean the thing it describes doesn't exist either, and I don't know what part of being able to change your own sex would make someones question their own identity is a hard concept to grasp, and for last that idea isn't original from the show it comes from Morph from the comics
@@smashley4661 how many people in 90-2000's USA were mutant shapeshifters?
Disney+ is a nonentity to me now.
As much as I did enjoy the nostalgia of the X-Men '97, I kept being distracted by how aged some of the voice of the original cast sounded, especially Rogue.
But I don't think I will keep watching if the Magneto x Rogue ship sails (sir, you have three grown adult children!). I know it was in the comics (whether it was a younger clone of Magneto or another version of them), but I still don't like it.
If they make any references to Age of Apocalypse, we will find ourselves not only with Magneto being married to Rogue (who is younger than any of his three children), but also them having a child together.
I am a fan of Cyclops, and want him to be treated with respect, but that Optic Blast-skateboarding nonsense was cringe af. It was as bad as Gambit riding on Logan's back. Just fanfiction levels of amateur drivel.
90s kid here, the only people who used "bestie" were preppy girls, so comments section is getting it twisted.
Ughh what are u talking about, it's awful!
If it's good, it's for good reason; and that's the bad news.
From the jump, the director blasted any writers who secretly hated the source material; he told them, 'If you have an agenda, don't work for me. X-Men fans only!'
Then, after he directed most of season one and finished outlining season two, they promptly shitcanned him. For, of all things, having an only fans account; something that has nothing to do with the project. A gay only fans, if I recall.
My take? The woke minders bided their time, waited for a guy with talent and passion for the comics to do all the bothersome WRITING, and now they're going to gleefully cannibalize any hard-earned repute the show's first few episodes, or first season, will garner; incrementally smuggling more and more communist piss in the lemonade and calling anyone names who asks, 'Does this taste salty?' until their piss is the whole pitcher.
Disney. Hates. You. Stop giving them money.
Humans in the Marvel universe: Create super combat robots to destroy mutants.
Also humans in the Marvel universe: Do not react at all to an alien invasion.
didn't they make wolverine gay?
not yet
Stay hopeful brother, there's still a chance it could happen.😅
Reminder that not all mutants get omega level powers. Some just get a normal/mutation. And are still hunted dowm for it.
I can't remember the issue, but in one of the chapters of the 90's comic, one mutant with the power to JUST turn ugly gets hunted down and beaten to DEATH by a buncha of assholes.
SO NO. THEY ARE NOT DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BECAUSE OF THEIR STRENGTH, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
A mutant had nuclear powers that can kill any human and now the X-Men are a cult who only care about themselves, miss me with that talk.
A mutant with nuclear powers obliterated a town and now the X-Men are a cult who only care about themselves, miss me with that talk.
A mutant with nuclear powers obliterated a whole town and the X-Men in the comics currently are basically a cult that only cares for themselves. Miss me with that talk. (Btw who keeps deleting my comments can go take a hike)
People always love to make fun of Storm’s line to Toad in X-Men 1, but I’ll take that over what she tells Rogue in X-Men 3. That was the more cringy line