"Everyone's trying to be Watchmen." Ain't that right. Can't have a straight forward story of someone wanting to be a hero and help people. No, we gotta explain it to the audience how helping others is baaaaaaaad and striving to be good is useless or whatever all while the genocidal maniac on the loose is somehow in the right.
James Gunn is an excellent filmmaker. All three GotG films were great, and he knows how to tell a story about heroes without tearing down who they are. Unlike Zack Snyder, who is exactly the kind of director who thinks Superman needed an edgy approach.
@@Rocket1377 Yeah, I tried to like Man of Steel, but his run on the DCEU shat itself in BVS. And now he's gone on to direct one of the worst science fantasy films ever, Rebel Moon: Part One, which is meant to be exposition-based deep hurting personified.
1 main priority when it comes to franchises..never attack your own fans or treat them like garbage because if you do then you won't get your support by them
Kevin Smith CHOSE to be Rian Johnson II. He CHOSE to make 'Masters of the Universe: Revelation' as 'The Last Jedi 2: Electric Boogaloo'. He EARNED all the hatred and disdain he's getting.
I will never bother to check this series out. Going after clownfish unprovoked was bad but also straight up going after fans who are critical is a no no. They are the ones who keep your franchise alive; pay your bills. But they didn’t care. Well I hope they are happy. Actions have consequences. You have not only set yourselves back Smith and Ted but also all the hardworking animators at power house. It’s funny how these individuals preach collectivism and yet they are so blind to not follow their own principles when it comes to these series. Sheer hubris.
I'll wait for a review from J. If I'm desperate and somehow burn through all my years and years and years of media backlog in the next couple days and nothing new comes out I'll pirate an episode or two to see if it's any good.
If was open and honest from the start and didn't attack FANS probably more people would give it a chance. Not everyone is so easy to trick and guilt trip.
Kevin Smith believed people would just forget and forgive him because he's a "king" of the geeks. Thinking we would believe He-man would be in it _this time,_ especially with how the show is about Adam giving up being He-Man. Remember him him gloating about Killing He-man twice along and then acts like he hadn't is just right up there for him. He celebrated the absence of an audience when part 2 surfaced a good thing, so the lack of traction for revolution is just what he wanted. At least Smith's fear of being completely irrelevant won't come fully true; He'll be remembered as the biggest sellout that killed a popular 80's sci-fi fantasy.
Kevin Smith represents one of the most steep autuer declines from the 00's. After Chasing Amy, it was a general downward trajectory that boomeranged with his head ending far enough up his own ass to produce Tusk, which, despite its obviously leaning on the style and motifs of better directors, was at least moderately interesting. These days, his creative mind acts as he physically looks: like a corpse as drawn by someone who can't draw.
I'm not surprised that Kevin Smith is still alive insisting he didn't trick the audience, but man it still feels so unreal that he thinks anyone would fall for it still...
Everyone doesn’t want to be Watchmen. Everyone wants to be what they think Watchmen is. Alan Moore’s point in penning that graphic novel was to show how much “heroes” like Roschach or Doctor Manhattan sucked and that we need better heroes than them. It was a world of superheroes without a clear Superman to set the bar for what true heroism looked like. But no one seems to get that and just thinks “hehe superheroes with issues that kill and have uncontrollable sex drives go brrr”.
Despite this having my favorite MotU villain (Hordak) being in this, I'm giving this a hard pass. These writers have burned me badly with how bad Revelation was (Not helped by it debuting on my birthday) and haven't really done anything to earn said trust back.
I dunno what Netflix OR Kevin Smith expected. the 'Ryan Johnson school of subverting expectations' strikes again. Yes, Pissing off the established fanbase will generate buzz, but the only buzz the next time is going to get you is the 'nobody cares about this franchise anymore' buzz. and what comes after that? cus this is the stage it seems to be at now.
If any portion of a show's leads pull a variation of "You don't know what you want," or "You don't get what we're doing," and it's directed at the larger viewership, I generally wash my hands of it.
That show also had a lot of terrible ideas planned for season 3 that thankfully didn't make it to fruition, including killing off the Sorceress from a snake bite, revealing that Queen Marlena was half-Gar, and making Fisto Teela's biological father (which would contradict the flashback we saw in the Sorceress origin episode). It's probably for the best that it ended before it jumped the shark.
Question: Why can't Adam be He-Man and King at the same time? Did they forget about King He-Man in the MOTU Classics Mini Comics? The problem I had with Revalation was 1: The bait and switch 2: It didn't feel like the makers cared. Like why was Castle Grayskull and the hall of wisdom one and the same when previously they were seperate? and why was Preternia heaven all of a sudden when previously it was the "Pre-History" of Eternia, hense the name. (Every Name in MOTU is a pun.)
You know people probably wouldn't have jumped ship if they didn't have such God awful characterization and writing. A lot people including myself still gave the show a chance despite the clear deception. Most fans love Teela and would probably be ok with her being the central character especially if they were honest about it. Unfortunately how they wrote her to be was the most insufferable character I've ever seen and that's what turned me off.
Exactly. I simply don't trust a writer who thinks Teela would act the way she did in season 1. That was not Teela. There were plenty of other examples of bad character writing in Revelation, like having Tri-Klops turn into some kind of techno cult leader.
1:36 - Counter point to Kevin's take: We were angry, because we ARE the real fans. We all enjoyed the original show and characters, and He-Man 2002 actually did a wonderful proper continuance into evolution that got cut too short, too quickly. We DO want more of He-Man, and the Masters of The Universe, and we'd mostly like confirmation of the bible's canon. Though as I've mentioned in other videos you've done on this show, there are a couple points I'd specifically like clarified, or changed to be a bit more realistic toward any given loving relationship. I'd also like Thundercats reboot to get, rebooted... (Nevermind better call saul; better call Bob, Dot & Enzo) but I know what happened canonically in that bible; and it gets... pretty damned grim dark. They could change major points for that one, clarify the hell as directly as possible, out of all set relationsips once and for all - and I would be happy if no one got enslaved. That's all I'm going to say about it, because the bible isn't that hard to find if you want to know what is supposed to have happened to the Thundercats after the show was cancelled. (Why bother having two female main characters if THAT'S the route you're going to take in the longrun... : / )
It's to late the way I see it, people gain interest in something as long as it's good or told it's good, but that only means that new people will watch the next episode/movie. This means that so few people are going to be watching MOTU: Revolution because so many people were burned out by MOTU: Revaluation and told how bad it was. All they really had to do was be honest, Kevin Smith was so mad that people didn't want to get lied to that he basically ruined any chances to be given after the first season.
Two questions: 1. What was the point of the first season in terms of storytelling; like what actually happened? Because in scrutinizing the story you're left with this sense of apathy over the characters, their choices and the arcs they went through, if only because none of it really mattered. Teela being the sorceress was a great girl boss moment, but it doesn't mean anything in the grand finale of everything that happened. Nothing she did really matters, outside of being a series of moments which were meant to showcase how awesome she was. 2. Why are the people behind these stories trying to tell stories that they want to enjoy instead of making a timeless narratives? I'm really curious about that because it just seems like whoever is doing the penning of the story is just trying to tell the world what they feel and how they feel, instead of making tales that will last beyond them. Like really think about it, if you go back and watch the original 80s cartoon, yes, it is janky, and yes, you can tell that they had to really make due with what they had, but there was a sincerity in trying to give lessons about growing up and being able to be a hero that stood the test of time. The 2002s version was just the same, though they focused more on individual character arcs in order to flesh out the story between the first and second season. Meanwhile, this new series barely feels like there's anyone else there other than Teela, Skeletor and Evilyn. Like really think about it, what was Man-At-Arms purpose in the show? What was the girl that Teela was obviously emotionally close to doing that mattered in the end? This is more so, I think, the reason why the show isn't really trending. You can hate your audience and they will still come back for more, ask the Star Wars fans, but if you don't have anything for them to care about in terms of your story then they will find something else to focus on.
If the rumored spoilers from Clownfish turn out to be true it does sound like they have genuinely taken the fan criticism of 'Revelation' on board and have attempted to course correct. If they are than I am expecting 'Revolution' to be a huge improvement over 'Revelation', but unfortunately I think it won't save the show as the drama around 'Revelation' was just too catastrophic, both for the show itself and the IP as a whole. It was nothing short of disastrous. Not setting up the Snake men seems to suggest that a Season 3 is unlikely. I think this will be end of any new He-man media for a while unfortunately.
they are not course correcting they are just trying to dismiss He Man from the show in a different way having him do irrelevant things or not fight and stuff like that.
I dunno... How can you course correct if the same people are in charge? The show-runner literally said he used to hate-watch the old show, and now he's supposed to recreate the show he used to hate? And then, I suppose, laugh at me for liking it? Pass.
They kept saying "Prince Adam will be in 3 1/2 episodes". . . not He-Man will be. The whole deal with Revelation and how it was treated is enough were my husband and I will not be watching. We both grew up on He-Man.
The views comparison between Revelations trailer and the Revolution trailer is night and day. From over 9 million views to not even cracking 1 million. They killed the vast majority of interest people had in this show. How the people responsible for this abysmal results get more work is beyond me.
No point watching this. They elevated He-Man from dead jobber to hero sidekick in his own show now that Teela is the immortal Sorceress with no limitations with more power than everyone else combined. She apparently even absorbs the f*cking Power of Grayskull to become a goddess so what's the threat?
Clownfish TV is one of my favorite channels. Geeky Sparkles' one-liners can be so funny, and listening to her often brightens my day! She always tries to be fair.
Even Netflix doesn't care for Revolution. They did some kind of event where they went over all the animation coming to Netflix. They devoted so much time to Castlevania showing multiple long clips of the new show and for Revolution they just replayed the SDCC clip
First off, that clip of Kevin Smith saying he wished the characters would stab each other in the original show really makes my blood boil whenever I hear it. IT WAS A FUCKING KIDS SHOW!!! Seriously, how stupid can you get?! Kevin was probably coming home from high school at the time and he clearly wasn't part of the demographic that it was aiming for in the first place. Plus, Mattel have been pretty adamant that He-Man doesn't kill. When Canon made the live action movie, the golden rule that Mattel layed down was that He-Man couldn't be shown killing anyone because he doesn't kill. That's why he was only shown destroying robots in the film. Secondly, what Kevin Smith should have done is say that Revelation was going to be a Death of He-Man story where we see how the world of Eternia react to the situation and have the other Masters (not just Teela) step up. You can do a Death and Return of Superman type story with He-Man, sure. But this was just handled so horribly wrong. Kevin better had have learned his lesson from Revelation but given what a shitty person he is I have my doubts.
Since most people don't want to hate either He-Man or Kevin Smith, some apologies for how things went down the first time could likely go a long way. While this benefits from the persistence of streaming in that people can always check it out later if they hear that it's offering more of what He-Man fans expect, it would still have an uphill battle in convincing them to sit through the first season to get to this material (unless this new one is self-contained, which these should probably advertise heavily if so).
I cannot get over how bad He-Man's Power Sword looks in that thumbnail. The Netflix animation is mostly amazing to look at, but their version of He-Man's iconic weapon is atrociously designed, especially when compared to the Filmation and vintage toy MOTU swords. The cross guard in particular just looks wrong.
They killed He-Man, they made Teela a Lesbian, they told fans who were upset to fuck off. That's all I needed to stay away from anything Kevin Smith makes, he's poison to the money makers now in my view and that's that.
to put the present MotU situation in terms of food: they promised us a steak dinner, delivered us steamed broccoli, then yelled at us to shut up and eat our veggies. Now we've bullied them into (very reluctantly) giving us a "beef" hot dog instead of more broccoli...
The only thing that matters to Matell is the toy sales, they were good last time so it will probably good this time too and the series will be a "success". Evil wins again I guess..
I just watch season 2 and it is much better than season 1. The story actually centers on He-Man/Adam and Teela is much more likeable and does not look like a man anymore.
Hey, Kevin made it clear, if we don't like it, don't watch it. Could be an incredible second season, but now not only do I not trust them, I'm genuinely not interested.
Ted Biaselli is who you are thinking of and you are both right and wrong. While Ted is the director, he is also a huge kevin smith fan and is the reason he was hired to work on the show. Originally Adam was going to be depowered but live and season 1 part 1 was going to be closer to what season 1 part 2 was, but they had to completely change the story because kevin wanted to kill He-Man. Since Ted was such a big kevin smith fan he went along with it
Clownfish tv is still waiting for that apology Kevin Smith. I'm not holding my breath though. Odds are about as low as Kathleen Kennedy willingly stepping down.
Watched the first half of Revelation and was so repulsed I didn't bother with the second half. So, no, not going to even bother with another season. Also, let me get this straight, so Kevin (as a child) can hate-watch a show (assuming this story is true), and express how much he disliked it to the point he made it his mission as an adult to twist it into his vision. Because he disliked the original. However, when longtime fans express dislike of the show he produced, that's a major problem and we should shut up? Trying to find the logic here.
Kevin Smith lied and attacked small UA-cam channels who were proven to be right. Not even an apology once the rumors were proven to be correct and Smith a liar. There's a saying about being fooled once and then twice.
Personally, I didn't hate Revelation like alot of the social media crowd. I thought it was decent. My problem was, like others, the lack of He-Man. But I wasn't furious about it. I'm going to watch Revolution and make my own judgment as always. If it isn't good to Great, I still have the original series and the 2002 reboot to enjoy. I will see.
girl i dont even remember what he-man was about centuries ago lol (good video btw) but Its always funny to watch how execs ruin our favorite childhood shows, and people getting rightfully upset and crying about it, just like im about to cry when they release the last airbender netflix live action. oh man.
Yes, its too late... At least for me. We live in an age, in which EVERY SINGLE COMPANY, seems to be at war with the source material and the audience. They always use low tactics to get you to watch a projects that is either mediocre, or filled with unnecessary modern day politicals topics that forced in the most unnatural way possible. Not to mention the entitled, arrogant and abusive attitude most creators have from the get go. I am tired of projects like this, the people behind it, and specially the backward mentality of repeating this tactics everywhere. This show desrves its failure, because the damage was done.
To be honest, while it was weird to have a show called he-man without any actual he-man, that wasn't really my problem with it. It just seemed poorly written, with unsympathetic characters, and weirdly, I didn’t even like the world or the re-designs. He-man has always been…really weird with its characters, and this show just made it obvious how silly they are. This was especially obvious when contrasted with the reboot of She-Ra, where they redid the story, the characters, both their designs and motivations, and obviously poured a lot of heart into it. Heck, they managed to turn ShadowWeaver and Hordrak into actual characters, instead of “weird big-breast lady and snorting Skeletor rip-off” You could feel that She-Ra was written by people who cared about its characters, the world, and they had a story to tell. He-man was just soulless, and having a toy villain show up didn’t make me go ‘wow’ it made me think “who’s the glowing skull guy, and why is Scare-Glow the stupidest name ever?” Also, I never thought the “examined the lore” or made things clearer. I don’t even remember what it was about in the end. Contrast that with She-Ra, where we see all kinds of arcs resolve and challenges overcome, and basically see Adora grow to a person, loved and with friends, a purpose, and a hot cat-lady girlfriend, who she had to work for way too hard to get, but that’s the way of cats, I guess.
Revelation got so much hate, regardless of the back ground drama, had so much stuff going on that we’ve never seen such as Scareglow, Eternia (the original play set) which was used as heaven, He-Ro and even Won-Dar. And as for lack of he man it did such but we got interesting concepts within Skeletor getting the power, what happened to his henchmen when he’s not there and Teela finally got to be the next sorceress as teased in the original 80’s show. They didn’t make fun of he man in the flash backs they just mentioned how goofy he was and he is a goofy character in the 80’s show. And as for Sorceress Lyn leaving the castle, she only left when she got the power of He, leaving room for someone to become the next Sorceress. I’m not claiming this show is high art since it definitely has issues, but it got me excited for Revolution since we now have he man back and no, him choosing between him being king or the champion is not a deconstruction, it’s just him choosing who he really wants to become and if anyone knows, in MOTUC and the mini comic's he does become king, something we’ve never seen in the shows outside of the figures and comics.
ClownFish TV was right , and now Kevin Smith deserved to be scorched for the liar he is , and the show for me is doomed . I didnt watched the first season , and I will not watch this new one . No hate from me , ..... just my total Indifference to them .....
yeah, you kinda broke the franchise, kevin. and you still wrote a show "for babies"; it's very kid-oriented. should have written a more mature production honoring the fans who've been here for 40 years; we're all grown up now. take a page from DC Animated Films...they're writing for adults. *sigh
In defence of Kevin Smith ☝🏽 They gave us an updated reboot of Masters Of The Universe in 2002, faithful to the original cartoon. With more character depth AND NONE OF YOU WATCHED IT. NONE OF YOU BOUGHT THE TOYS!!! 🤨 Now you’re dissin’ Smith for subverting expectations & doing something unexpected? SOD OFF!
People watched it, the ratings were great. The death of it was the same thing thay killed the original, they oversaturated the toy market with just He-Man and Skeletor. At any given time you could find 5 different He-Man and Skeletor toys but no Stratos, Mecha-Neck, Buzz Off, Ram man, Sorceress, Evil-Lyn, BeastMan, Tri-Klops toys.
I’m honestly a bit optimistic for this season. I *still* don’t trust Kevin Smith, but I’m sure that Netflix has been breathing down his neck after the backlash for season 1. If they don’t pull another bait and switch and give He Man a proper redemption arc, I am willing to give it a shot.
"Everyone's trying to be Watchmen."
Ain't that right. Can't have a straight forward story of someone wanting to be a hero and help people. No, we gotta explain it to the audience how helping others is baaaaaaaad and striving to be good is useless or whatever all while the genocidal maniac on the loose is somehow in the right.
For real. Gimme Superman.
@@Wizard_Pikachu
Under James Gunn?
James Gunn is an excellent filmmaker. All three GotG films were great, and he knows how to tell a story about heroes without tearing down who they are.
Unlike Zack Snyder, who is exactly the kind of director who thinks Superman needed an edgy approach.
@@Rocket1377 Yeah, I tried to like Man of Steel, but his run on the DCEU shat itself in BVS. And now he's gone on to direct one of the worst science fantasy films ever, Rebel Moon: Part One, which is meant to be exposition-based deep hurting personified.
1 main priority when it comes to franchises..never attack your own fans or treat them like garbage because if you do then you won't get your support by them
Weird, that even has to be said...
The issue is that they simply want to tell their own stories but use an established IP to do it, wearing it like a skin suit.
@@beerosaurusrexSame thing with Velma as well
@@cynicalperson161 & The Proud Family
2:04 “…now it looks like they’re trying to set the rug back up and getting us to stand on it again” PERFECT analogy, J.
They weren't honest about the true premise of the show because they weren't confident enough about it so they needed to resort to fake advertising.
When the marketing for a he-man show has to specify it will have a lot of he-man in it, that's probably a sign it messed up badlt
The fact I no longer have Netflix is not the biggest reason I won't be watching this.
Don’t have Netflix either…
same
I wouldn't even bother to watch this show for free.
Kevin Smith CHOSE to be Rian Johnson II. He CHOSE to make 'Masters of the Universe: Revelation' as 'The Last Jedi 2: Electric Boogaloo'. He EARNED all the hatred and disdain he's getting.
I will never bother to check this series out. Going after clownfish unprovoked was bad but also straight up going after fans who are critical is a no no. They are the ones who keep your franchise alive; pay your bills. But they didn’t care. Well I hope they are happy. Actions have consequences. You have not only set yourselves back Smith and Ted but also all the hardworking animators at power house. It’s funny how these individuals preach collectivism and yet they are so blind to not follow their own principles when it comes to these series. Sheer hubris.
I'll wait for a review from J. If I'm desperate and somehow burn through all my years and years and years of media backlog in the next couple days and nothing new comes out I'll pirate an episode or two to see if it's any good.
If was open and honest from the start and didn't attack FANS probably more people would give it a chance. Not everyone is so easy to trick and guilt trip.
And not to mention they insulted fans when they complained.
Kevin Smith has the intellectual honesty of a kid trying to convince a teacher they can't hand in their homework 'cause the dog ate it.
Kevin Smith believed people would just forget and forgive him because he's a "king" of the geeks. Thinking we would believe He-man would be in it _this time,_ especially with how the show is about Adam giving up being He-Man. Remember him him gloating about Killing He-man twice along and then acts like he hadn't is just right up there for him.
He celebrated the absence of an audience when part 2 surfaced a good thing, so the lack of traction for revolution is just what he wanted.
At least Smith's fear of being completely irrelevant won't come fully true; He'll be remembered as the biggest sellout that killed a popular 80's sci-fi fantasy.
Yeah, I don't have Netflix. So I will not even be tempted.
Kevin Smith represents one of the most steep autuer declines from the 00's. After Chasing Amy, it was a general downward trajectory that boomeranged with his head ending far enough up his own ass to produce Tusk, which, despite its obviously leaning on the style and motifs of better directors, was at least moderately interesting.
These days, his creative mind acts as he physically looks: like a corpse as drawn by someone who can't draw.
I'm not surprised that Kevin Smith is still alive insisting he didn't trick the audience, but man it still feels so unreal that he thinks anyone would fall for it still...
That's like Hollywood 101, never accept responsibility, blame the fans.
Kevin Smith: Grow up, babies!
Also Kevin Smith: *Dresses like an edgy teen from his youth*
Everyone doesn’t want to be Watchmen. Everyone wants to be what they think Watchmen is. Alan Moore’s point in penning that graphic novel was to show how much “heroes” like Roschach or Doctor Manhattan sucked and that we need better heroes than them. It was a world of superheroes without a clear Superman to set the bar for what true heroism looked like.
But no one seems to get that and just thinks “hehe superheroes with issues that kill and have uncontrollable sex drives go brrr”.
Despite this having my favorite MotU villain (Hordak) being in this, I'm giving this a hard pass. These writers have burned me badly with how bad Revelation was (Not helped by it debuting on my birthday) and haven't really done anything to earn said trust back.
You should watch it, it really is a great season
I dunno what Netflix OR Kevin Smith expected.
the 'Ryan Johnson school of subverting expectations' strikes again.
Yes, Pissing off the established fanbase will generate buzz, but the only buzz the next time is going to get you is the 'nobody cares about this franchise anymore' buzz.
and what comes after that? cus this is the stage it seems to be at now.
No thanks, things never get better because we keep giving the same people new chances. And Kevin Smith has had a lot of opportunities, let him crying.
It would need to be really really good to win people back, specially because we have have to carry the baggage of the previews season
If any portion of a show's leads pull a variation of "You don't know what you want," or "You don't get what we're doing," and it's directed at the larger viewership, I generally wash my hands of it.
I will forever mourn that the 2002 He-Man was canned before its plot points had a chance to wrap up and She-Ra could show up.
That show also had a lot of terrible ideas planned for season 3 that thankfully didn't make it to fruition, including killing off the Sorceress from a snake bite, revealing that Queen Marlena was half-Gar, and making Fisto Teela's biological father (which would contradict the flashback we saw in the Sorceress origin episode). It's probably for the best that it ended before it jumped the shark.
Question: Why can't Adam be He-Man and King at the same time? Did they forget about King He-Man in the MOTU Classics Mini Comics?
The problem I had with Revalation was
1: The bait and switch
2: It didn't feel like the makers cared. Like why was Castle Grayskull and the hall of wisdom one and the same when previously they were seperate? and why was Preternia heaven all of a sudden when previously it was the "Pre-History" of Eternia, hense the name. (Every Name in MOTU is a pun.)
Simple he can't be both because despite it being a fantasy series it is 2024 so they can't have a Monarchy. At least according to Ted Biaselli
@@eddyjohnson6177 Lol, so true. Gotta show as much distain toward the patriarchi as possible. According to activists.
You know people probably wouldn't have jumped ship if they didn't have such God awful characterization and writing. A lot people including myself still gave the show a chance despite the clear deception. Most fans love Teela and would probably be ok with her being the central character especially if they were honest about it. Unfortunately how they wrote her to be was the most insufferable character I've ever seen and that's what turned me off.
Exactly. I simply don't trust a writer who thinks Teela would act the way she did in season 1. That was not Teela. There were plenty of other examples of bad character writing in Revelation, like having Tri-Klops turn into some kind of techno cult leader.
Whatever they do, I'm sure they will subvert expectations at any moment since they're really aiming at a *modern* audience.
1:36 - Counter point to Kevin's take: We were angry, because we ARE the real fans. We all enjoyed the original show and characters, and He-Man 2002 actually did a wonderful proper continuance into evolution that got cut too short, too quickly. We DO want more of He-Man, and the Masters of The Universe, and we'd mostly like confirmation of the bible's canon. Though as I've mentioned in other videos you've done on this show, there are a couple points I'd specifically like clarified, or changed to be a bit more realistic toward any given loving relationship.
I'd also like Thundercats reboot to get, rebooted... (Nevermind better call saul; better call Bob, Dot & Enzo) but I know what happened canonically in that bible; and it gets... pretty damned grim dark. They could change major points for that one, clarify the hell as directly as possible, out of all set relationsips once and for all - and I would be happy if no one got enslaved. That's all I'm going to say about it, because the bible isn't that hard to find if you want to know what is supposed to have happened to the Thundercats after the show was cancelled. (Why bother having two female main characters if THAT'S the route you're going to take in the longrun... : / )
When it comes to this Netflix Masters of the Universe show, Fool me once shame on you Netflix, Fool me twice shame on me.
"Those who make history's worst mistakes are doomed to repeat it. Over... And over again."
-Eren Kruger (Attack on Titan)
Oh they're still making episodes for that franchise?
The may comic release is probably timed to lead into the June(ish) release of Revolution’s “second season”.
It's to late the way I see it, people gain interest in something as long as it's good or told it's good, but that only means that new people will watch the next episode/movie. This means that so few people are going to be watching MOTU: Revolution because so many people were burned out by MOTU: Revaluation and told how bad it was. All they really had to do was be honest, Kevin Smith was so mad that people didn't want to get lied to that he basically ruined any chances to be given after the first season.
Two questions:
1. What was the point of the first season in terms of storytelling; like what actually happened?
Because in scrutinizing the story you're left with this sense of apathy over the characters, their choices and the arcs they went through, if only because none of it really mattered. Teela being the sorceress was a great girl boss moment, but it doesn't mean anything in the grand finale of everything that happened. Nothing she did really matters, outside of being a series of moments which were meant to showcase how awesome she was.
2. Why are the people behind these stories trying to tell stories that they want to enjoy instead of making a timeless narratives? I'm really curious about that because it just seems like whoever is doing the penning of the story is just trying to tell the world what they feel and how they feel, instead of making tales that will last beyond them. Like really think about it, if you go back and watch the original 80s cartoon, yes, it is janky, and yes, you can tell that they had to really make due with what they had, but there was a sincerity in trying to give lessons about growing up and being able to be a hero that stood the test of time. The 2002s version was just the same, though they focused more on individual character arcs in order to flesh out the story between the first and second season. Meanwhile, this new series barely feels like there's anyone else there other than Teela, Skeletor and Evilyn. Like really think about it, what was Man-At-Arms purpose in the show? What was the girl that Teela was obviously emotionally close to doing that mattered in the end?
This is more so, I think, the reason why the show isn't really trending. You can hate your audience and they will still come back for more, ask the Star Wars fans, but if you don't have anything for them to care about in terms of your story then they will find something else to focus on.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda
If the rumored spoilers from Clownfish turn out to be true it does sound like they have genuinely taken the fan criticism of 'Revelation' on board and have attempted to course correct. If they are than I am expecting 'Revolution' to be a huge improvement over 'Revelation', but unfortunately I think it won't save the show as the drama around 'Revelation' was just too catastrophic, both for the show itself and the IP as a whole. It was nothing short of disastrous. Not setting up the Snake men seems to suggest that a Season 3 is unlikely. I think this will be end of any new He-man media for a while unfortunately.
I’m glad they are learning but I still wouldn’t watch it.
Teela is still the main character in those, and Adam most likely gives up both Throne and He-man.
they are not course correcting they are just trying to dismiss He Man from the show in a different way having him do irrelevant things or not fight and stuff like that.
I dunno... How can you course correct if the same people are in charge? The show-runner literally said he used to hate-watch the old show, and now he's supposed to recreate the show he used to hate? And then, I suppose, laugh at me for liking it? Pass.
They kept saying "Prince Adam will be in 3 1/2 episodes". . . not He-Man will be.
The whole deal with Revelation and how it was treated is enough were my husband and I will not be watching. We both grew up on He-Man.
Everyone makes duds, but what made me lose respect for Kevin Smith was when he attacked ClownfishTV and the fans.
Short answer: no.
The views comparison between Revelations trailer and the Revolution trailer is night and day. From over 9 million views to not even cracking 1 million. They killed the vast majority of interest people had in this show. How the people responsible for this abysmal results get more work is beyond me.
No point watching this. They elevated He-Man from dead jobber to hero sidekick in his own show now that Teela is the immortal Sorceress with no limitations with more power than everyone else combined. She apparently even absorbs the f*cking Power of Grayskull to become a goddess so what's the threat?
Clownfish TV is one of my favorite channels. Geeky Sparkles' one-liners can be so funny, and listening to her often brightens my day! She always tries to be fair.
Even Netflix doesn't care for Revolution. They did some kind of event where they went over all the animation coming to Netflix. They devoted so much time to Castlevania showing multiple long clips of the new show and for Revolution they just replayed the SDCC clip
Doubt, people hate Kevin Smith know so his name attached is poison
First off, that clip of Kevin Smith saying he wished the characters would stab each other in the original show really makes my blood boil whenever I hear it. IT WAS A FUCKING KIDS SHOW!!!
Seriously, how stupid can you get?! Kevin was probably coming home from high school at the time and he clearly wasn't part of the demographic that it was aiming for in the first place.
Plus, Mattel have been pretty adamant that He-Man doesn't kill.
When Canon made the live action movie, the golden rule that Mattel layed down was that He-Man couldn't be shown killing anyone because he doesn't kill. That's why he was only shown destroying robots in the film.
Secondly, what Kevin Smith should have done is say that Revelation was going to be a Death of He-Man story where we see how the world of Eternia react to the situation and have the other Masters (not just Teela) step up. You can do a Death and Return of Superman type story with He-Man, sure. But this was just handled so horribly wrong.
Kevin better had have learned his lesson from Revelation but given what a shitty person he is I have my doubts.
I am sorry, is nobody going to take the piss on the Hidden-Object Game-tier art in the screenshot at 3:50!?
Since most people don't want to hate either He-Man or Kevin Smith, some apologies for how things went down the first time could likely go a long way. While this benefits from the persistence of streaming in that people can always check it out later if they hear that it's offering more of what He-Man fans expect, it would still have an uphill battle in convincing them to sit through the first season to get to this material (unless this new one is self-contained, which these should probably advertise heavily if so).
I cannot get over how bad He-Man's Power Sword looks in that thumbnail. The Netflix animation is mostly amazing to look at, but their version of He-Man's iconic weapon is atrociously designed, especially when compared to the Filmation and vintage toy MOTU swords. The cross guard in particular just looks wrong.
They killed He-Man, they made Teela a Lesbian, they told fans who were upset to fuck off.
That's all I needed to stay away from anything Kevin Smith makes, he's poison to the money makers now in my view and that's that.
to put the present MotU situation in terms of food: they promised us a steak dinner, delivered us steamed broccoli, then yelled at us to shut up and eat our veggies. Now we've bullied them into (very reluctantly) giving us a "beef" hot dog instead of more broccoli...
Even if HE-MAN is in most of the show, I dont like this Version of the character. He just feels not like HE-MAN.
7:00 a bit of an editing error hehe 😜 but great video. I think you’ll enjoy this season more but is it too late now or even matter?
You know what fans really want in their He-Man show? Teenage family coming of age angst!
I think Kevin Smith lost his soul a long time ago
They made clear they don't want me to watch. I will grant their wish.
The only thing that matters to Matell is the toy sales, they were good last time so it will probably good this time too and the series will be a "success".
Evil wins again I guess..
I’d gladly watch Kevin smith apologize to Clownfish TV. Until then I’m not watching anything he’s associated with.
Yeah, it’s too late.
No interest in this new series at all. I just watch the old cartoons from the 80's and that is it for me.
Will it be enough to win back the fans?
No. No it won't.
I just watch season 2 and it is much better than season 1. The story actually centers on He-Man/Adam and Teela is much more likeable and does not look like a man anymore.
They will not win me back. REVELATION was so terrible in my opinion. I have no desire to watch the next season.
Hey, Kevin made it clear, if we don't like it, don't watch it.
Could be an incredible second season, but now not only do I not trust them, I'm genuinely not interested.
Smith is only a figurehead, the real leader and creator is BeUhSelley or something like that is his last name.
Ted Biaselli is who you are thinking of and you are both right and wrong. While Ted is the director, he is also a huge kevin smith fan and is the reason he was hired to work on the show. Originally Adam was going to be depowered but live and season 1 part 1 was going to be closer to what season 1 part 2 was, but they had to completely change the story because kevin wanted to kill He-Man. Since Ted was such a big kevin smith fan he went along with it
Clownfish tv is still waiting for that apology Kevin Smith. I'm not holding my breath though. Odds are about as low as Kathleen Kennedy willingly stepping down.
A new big budget live action he-man film would help the series imo
I won't even pirate it. Did not watch the previous, first I want to check I am not watching trash
These people have lost the ability to be upfront.
MOTU fans were mislead in the beginning and then they lied. What did they expect?
Watched the first half of Revelation and was so repulsed I didn't bother with the second half. So, no, not going to even bother with another season.
Also, let me get this straight, so Kevin (as a child) can hate-watch a show (assuming this story is true), and express how much he disliked it to the point he made it his mission as an adult to twist it into his vision. Because he disliked the original. However, when longtime fans express dislike of the show he produced, that's a major problem and we should shut up? Trying to find the logic here.
Kevin Smith lied and attacked small UA-cam channels who were proven to be right. Not even an apology once the rumors were proven to be correct and Smith a liar. There's a saying about being fooled once and then twice.
TBH, I never seen He-Man; never watched any version of it...
And I have no desire to see this version either
Never give a second chance to manipulators & opportunists.
Go woke, go broke may or may not exist. He-Man fans have walked away.
Personally, I didn't hate Revelation like alot of the social media crowd. I thought it was decent. My problem was, like others, the lack of He-Man. But I wasn't furious about it. I'm going to watch Revolution and make my own judgment as always. If it isn't good to Great, I still have the original series and the 2002 reboot to enjoy. I will see.
I bailed on the show after hearing what Kevin did in the 1st season. 🤦🏽♀️
girl i dont even remember what he-man was about centuries ago lol (good video btw) but Its always funny to watch how execs ruin our favorite childhood shows, and people getting rightfully upset and crying about it, just like im about to cry when they release the last airbender netflix live action. oh man.
i work on pattern recognition. i saw this pattern before, i will not watch it.
It was actually decent.
Spoilers: YES. Yes, it is too late.
Yes, its too late... At least for me.
We live in an age, in which EVERY SINGLE COMPANY, seems to be at war with the source material and the audience. They always use low tactics to get you to watch a projects that is either mediocre, or filled with unnecessary modern day politicals topics that forced in the most unnatural way possible. Not to mention the entitled, arrogant and abusive attitude most creators have from the get go.
I am tired of projects like this, the people behind it, and specially the backward mentality of repeating this tactics everywhere. This show desrves its failure, because the damage was done.
9.1mill is under performing?
Compared to the first trailer?
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Oh ok.
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i still planning to watch revelation and revolution, but i think that kevin smith is still a cry baby.
To be honest, while it was weird to have a show called he-man without any actual he-man, that wasn't really my problem with it.
It just seemed poorly written, with unsympathetic characters, and weirdly, I didn’t even like the world or the re-designs.
He-man has always been…really weird with its characters, and this show just made it obvious how silly they are.
This was especially obvious when contrasted with the reboot of She-Ra, where they redid the story, the characters, both their designs and motivations, and obviously poured a lot of heart into it. Heck, they managed to turn ShadowWeaver and Hordrak into actual characters, instead of “weird big-breast lady and snorting Skeletor rip-off”
You could feel that She-Ra was written by people who cared about its characters, the world, and they had a story to tell. He-man was just soulless, and having a toy villain show up didn’t make me go ‘wow’ it made me think “who’s the glowing skull guy, and why is Scare-Glow the stupidest name ever?”
Also, I never thought the “examined the lore” or made things clearer. I don’t even remember what it was about in the end. Contrast that with She-Ra, where we see all kinds of arcs resolve and challenges overcome, and basically see Adora grow to a person, loved and with friends, a purpose, and a hot cat-lady girlfriend, who she had to work for way too hard to get, but that’s the way of cats, I guess.
Revelation got so much hate, regardless of the back ground drama, had so much stuff going on that we’ve never seen such as Scareglow, Eternia (the original play set) which was used as heaven, He-Ro and even Won-Dar. And as for lack of he man it did such but we got interesting concepts within Skeletor getting the power, what happened to his henchmen when he’s not there and Teela finally got to be the next sorceress as teased in the original 80’s show. They didn’t make fun of he man in the flash backs they just mentioned how goofy he was and he is a goofy character in the 80’s show. And as for Sorceress Lyn leaving the castle, she only left when she got the power of He, leaving room for someone to become the next Sorceress. I’m not claiming this show is high art since it definitely has issues, but it got me excited for Revolution since we now have he man back and no, him choosing between him being king or the champion is not a deconstruction, it’s just him choosing who he really wants to become and if anyone knows, in MOTUC and the mini comic's he does become king, something we’ve never seen in the shows outside of the figures and comics.
ClownFish TV was right , and now Kevin Smith deserved to be scorched for the liar he is , and the show for me is doomed .
I didnt watched the first season , and I will not watch this new one .
No hate from me , ..... just my total Indifference to them .....
Most of the fans i know in the real world loved this.
yeah, you kinda broke the franchise, kevin. and you still wrote a show "for babies"; it's very kid-oriented. should have written a more mature production honoring the fans who've been here for 40 years; we're all grown up now. take a page from DC Animated Films...they're writing for adults. *sigh
Lmao at the He-manbabies
Postmodern deconstructionalalism storytelling is tired and lame.
Clownfish 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 most appropriately named channel ever. Kevin should join them honestly because they are all jenky
Oh God, another run of the mill complaint about nothing. The entire series is damn good and is doing fine without your support. 👀🤷🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️😂🤣
In defence of Kevin Smith ☝🏽
They gave us an updated reboot of Masters Of The Universe in 2002, faithful to the original cartoon. With more character depth AND NONE OF YOU WATCHED IT. NONE OF YOU BOUGHT THE TOYS!!! 🤨
Now you’re dissin’ Smith for subverting expectations & doing something unexpected? SOD OFF!
Smith wasn't even aware there was 2002 He Man show. So your point is moot.
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That’s wasn’t my point but....ok 😊🖕🏽
People watched it, the ratings were great. The death of it was the same thing thay killed the original, they oversaturated the toy market with just He-Man and Skeletor. At any given time you could find
5 different He-Man and Skeletor toys but no Stratos, Mecha-Neck, Buzz Off, Ram man, Sorceress, Evil-Lyn, BeastMan, Tri-Klops toys.
I’m honestly a bit optimistic for this season. I *still* don’t trust Kevin Smith, but I’m sure that Netflix has been breathing down his neck after the backlash for season 1. If they don’t pull another bait and switch and give He Man a proper redemption arc, I am willing to give it a shot.