Is Black Panther Alt-Right?
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- Опубліковано 27 лют 2018
- I wonder what it is about Black Panther that has everyone all riled up?
Hm. A real mystery, that one.
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You just imploded my mind
"Is Wakanda an ethnostate? Well, in the opening narration of the movie intended to be watched and understood by children..."
damn lol
Shaun wrecks shit.
yeah but so's America, what's the big deal
Talen Lee YOU!
I HAVE VERY FIRM OPINIONS ABOUT VOTING SYSTEMS OKAY?
Robert Grant Let me get this straight. Are you saying the fact that Wakanda is a non-democracy means it is an ethnostate? By that logic, the USSR was an ethnostate. We of course know that the USSR was not an ethnostate because it was made up of different ethnic groups. Let's look elsewhere. It's not ideal, but Syria. By your logic, Syria is an ethnostate. Once again, we know that this is not true. Syria comprises many different ethnic groups despite being a dictatorship.
You really ought to think about these things first, mate.
"Is black panther alt-right?"
Wakanda question is this?
Wakanada good question at all. It's a stupid ass question lol.
Underrated pun, I must say.
It’s worth asking if you mean alt right in terms of just an exclusive ethnostate, which it is. I’m pretty sure that was kind of the point of why tchalla opened wakanda up to the rest of the world at the end right? To change what it was to something more progressive.
Also amazing wordplay. I would probably take a bullet for you. To the should or something though... I don’t know you.
Yoooooo
LMAOOOOO
micacaine kinda question.
How about at the end when T'challa literally says "The wise build bridges while the fools build walls"
@Bot #10110 a wall that he is planing to destroy. someone clearly didn't see the movie
@Bot #10110 he didn't make the wall. it was there before he was born. And sorry for the mispelling
@Bot #10110 yes his ancestor are fools, he acknowledges it. And so am I,because i thought that you were trying to have a normal conversation and are instead just trolling
A wise man live in a room surround by walls, a fool under a bridge
"his ancestors were fools"
yes, you've done it, you've caught the film out, the film in which t'challa screams "ALL OF YOU WERE WRONG" at his ancestors did not notice that his ancestors were wrong
I literally started cracking up so hard when I realized Sargon couldn't tell the difference between two different black women in the movie holy shit this man can't be real
I believe he does it on purpose to make himself look ever more disdainful of black people to his audience. Alt-Right virtue signalling at its finest.
vaiyt What funny is people like Sargon and dave Ruben call them self classical liberals..
They even mistake Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman, for one another. It's getting embarrassing at this point. They need check up for clinically blindness. Seriously!
Aksum አክሱም ፣ ንግሥት
Nah they need to be checked up on clinical racism lmao
Andy Johnson
I think by the time he was making this video he hadn't watched the movie yet. That's how disingenuous he is. It's the same thing with him not reading many of the writings he uses as sources or as something to criticize.
Wait, people seriously think Black Panther is pro-isolationist? Did they just skip the last half of the movie? That's like watching the Matrix and saying "boy, the Wachowskis make a great case for robot authoritarianism!"
😭😭😭 THIS!
Spoilers for Revolutions geeeze
yeah... about that matrix analogy...
Stephanie Cassiopeia especially when the end credits have such an obvious trump shaming argument about walls, you can't even ignore that, unless you are not knowledgeable about trump or just being a idiot like these Neo Nazis.
Terminimal Eh, not really. The Last Jedi's much more nuanced about these things than either Black Panther or The Matrix. (Spoilers if you haven't seen The Last Jedi (also why the heck haven't you seen The Last Jedi go watch The Last Jedi!).)
It's obviously not exactly about rejecting the past (after all, Rey does save the ancient Jedi texts, and the guy who keeps talking about killing the past is the villain), but it's definitely about not lionizing the past. That's a big part of why they emphasize the dichotomy between Luke's legendary status vs Luke's reality. His legacy is based on him, but everyone is more complex than their greatest moments would suggest. The fact that he's a great person doesn't stop him from being flawed, if anything his status as a legend made his flaws that much more devastating, because people want him to be a symbol and he's as human as the rest of us. That's why he went into a self-imposed exile. Even at the end, when he finally accepts his legendary status enough to decide to use it to do some good (by trolling Kylo Ren to give them a better chance of escaping), his projection, his legend, looks drastically different than he does in reality. That's not a coincidence. Really, that whole glorious fight scene is a fantastic metaphor for Luke's legendary status: it's an illusion, not reality, but that doesn't mean it can't do a tremendous amount of good. The Last Jedi isn't about Luke being a chump, it's about Luke being more than just his legend.
Man, I forgot how great that movie was, thanks for bringing it up!
sargon literally unable to tell black people apart. incredible
lmao!
he does it on purpose to virtue signal his disdain of successful black people to his audience
Terminimal, if whoopi goldberg and oprah were in the same movie, would you confuse them then?
If they played carbon copy stereotypes who fulfill the same narrative role, yes
Scientist-Engineer isn't the worst descriptor for Shuri, though it only truly comes into play in Infinity War when she removes Vision's mind stone (which only she inexplicably has the talent to for some reason, well it's not inexplicable the film just doesn't bother to do so.) However if the movie gave you the impression Nakia was a warrior then it definitely didn't do it's job in giving these two unique roles properly as Nakia is a War Dog, she's a Wakandan spy certainly trained to be effiecient in war but warrior is not her role. Excerpt from the movie:
"I'm not a spy who can come and go as they so choose! I am loyal to that throne, no matter who sits upon it. What are you loyal to?"
"I loved him. I loved my country, too."
"Then you serve your country."
"No. I save my country."
―Okoye and Nakia
This movie really did a horrible job of defining roles for any of it's characters. Why's this guy special? He has a rhino.
Why is Shuri the only scientist able to remove the Mind Stone? (Despite no knowledge of Infinity Stones in comparison to any other character in the films thus far) She just is, no explanation given not even a lazy "I studied Banners work for years and found things he didn't" throwaway line that might give her any reason to have the knowledge she does. Convenient.
Why do T'challa's balls handle every situation he gets into? They just do, Shuri made them but that's all the technical info you'll get, it's like they made her Q without any attempt to explain the tech like a James Bond movie would. Super convenient.
Why is the most wanted man in Wakanda (who was branded by them no less) totally able to sneak around Wakanda grabbing up Vibranium like a vaudeville bank robber? Specifically considering the satelitte tech the film shows and the capability Wakandans have of tracking known targets. (shown in the really dark badly shot intro where he takes on the convoy) Again he just can he's so good at smuggling even after he went essentially insane that super Wakanda tech isn't able to find him? Convenient.
My personal favourite which NOBODY has addressed as far as I've seen is the trains being activated towards the end of the film, EVERY major character we have seen or met in some capacity is busy dealing with something during this scene, in fact the whole country is pretty much at war, how in the name of all that is beloved on this green Earth did they turn the trains on from the middle of a field with very visibly no technology or any kind of platform or console to activate the train system from? So many little conveniences that don't do anything to add to the story they simply get it closer to the end.
A movie should be excited to explain these kinds of things to you, Black Panther glosses past them as fast as it possibly can and it sucks all the more for it. Which is a fucking real pity because the actors chosen for this film did a great job, T'challa, Shuri, Zakia were all amazing in terms of screen presence and I can't blame them for the dismal writing they had to preform, the cast is almost all star when you take Andy Serkis and Freeman into account too, it's just too bad they were put in a really badly written film and I genuinely hope if it gets a sequel somebody else handles it and gives these character unique descriptive roles which have backstories that last for more than a mere sentence or three.
"But when *fictional* black people are doing it, suddenly it's amazing." Aren't these the same people who prattle on about how Anita Sarkeesian "treats fiction like reality", and how "it's just a video game."
Katie Katie i was honestly thinking the same thing 😂
Have you seen Big Joel's "Anita Sarkeesian and the people who hate her"? If not I think you'd enjoy it. These people are hypocrites and constantly use circular nonsense logic. Anita was treating games as art that can be critisized, not them.
Henry Rice yea, but she lies and omits things that counter her arguments. Shes disingenuous as fuck.
She would literally say in that series that “the game makers wanted to reward you for killing a woman” and shit, but then she would talk about a game that expressly punishes you for killing the woman she was talking about.
Shit like that permeates every episode of that series. She’s not qualified to be critiquing video games, or really anything else.
She has a poisonous worldview that isn’t shared by 80% of the population. It’s not “because she’s a woman” anymore than pierce Morgan gets shit on because he’s British. They’re bad at what they do.
Henry Rice I really want to watch that with a feminist and stop the tape and explain everytime she lies or gets something wrong.
i really wish you weirdos would stop finding yourselves here, lol 😂
Sargon finding a woman who speaks her mind and talks back to men being insufferable...who could have seen that coming?
If its one thing he can't stand, it's feminists, lol!
If there is everything he can't stand... It's everything lol.
if there's wrong thing he can't stand...it's facts and evidence
I really liked her lol
''This sassy teenager acting out against authority is unrealistic''-
Uh, where the heck did they get the gender thing? T'Challa is the heir because he's the older sibling, not because he's a guy. Shuri is also given a chance to challenge his ascension too (and they even make a joke that she's doing it during the beginning of the film). These people did not watch the movie.
In one of the comics, Shuri takes up the mantle of the black panther. HMMMM
@@GayDracula_ and ruler of wakanda if I remember correctly
@@The867530910 You are correct.
In fact one of the tribe leaders what a woman. T'challa girlfriend if i'm not mistaken.
I've had many arguments with people that make multiple lies about the movie to say it sucks. There's no winning with them.
"Wakanda will no longer watch from the shadows. We can not. We must not. We will work to be an example of how we, as brothers and sisters on this earth, should treat each other. Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
- T'Challa, the Black Panther
I cry every time I hear that speech.
Even though I know it to be completely impossible, it still feels like such an obtainable dream.
Chadwick Boseman, forever king
“Shiri is unrealistic” have you ever met a 16 year old girl
For the sake of every 16yo girl, I really hope not.
@@patrickzingler4372 i laughed sadly at this
She acts like every litle sibling ever.
@@davitdavid7165 yes.
He's never met a girl, period.
"Unrealistic"
ah, so Sargon doesn't have any younger siblings
got it
Sargon just hates women. The fact that he couldn't tell Shuri and Nakia apart speaks volumes. Two women who disagree with the king on something are literally indistinguishable to him; tenfold because they're black.
Yeah, that 'annoying sister' that provides him with life saving gadgets, drives him around during car chases and helps bring him back from the brink of death...but is OBVOUSLY trying to undermine him all the time.
Right?!?!?!?!?!
That's why he is the way he is. It's much harder to have that kind of inflated sense of self importance when you've got a little sibling "constantly undermining your authority" or whatever
Even if Sargon had a point... He fuckin doesn't because he's a dip shit lol. But even if he did... Looking for realism in a disney marvel movie??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Shuri is unrealistic" - spoken like someone who has never had a little sister... Like, seriously, her dunking on his ugly sandals was an incredibly natural family moment! It made these characters feel believable and alive to me! To hear someone say interactions like that is Shuri undermining T'Challa's authority is just, bizarre.
My thoughts exactly, everything he complained about is stereotype of every little sister except being a genius who can create anything they want. Little sisters only think they are geniuses and rely on the parents to give them everything they want ;P
Lol my little sister is exactly like Shuri. I have no idea what he was on or if he has a little sister of his own
I mean like, usually I make fun of my siblings. Even if we love each other. It's called a family dynamic that isn't *two brothers trying to kill each other all the time.*
I don't even have any siblings but I know from my family (cousins in particular) that it's just... well, what family does if they're close enough. Like seriously, does he not have a grandma that won't let him live it down if he wears a Hawaiian shirt? An uncle that tells you straight up when you've just said something incredibly dumb?
... Actually no it makes sense that he doesn't.
The script was cringe as fuck but that's literally how younger siblings can be sometimes, it's definitely not an exaggeration
Its weird that Sargon reaches the conclusion that women can't govern in Wakanda. I seem to remember seeing a few women in the ancestor scene (granted they were in the background) and there was that moment when his sister acted as though she was going to challenge her brother's claim to the throne. No one seemed upset at the idea of a woman ruling, just that SHE specifically would be interested.
+Amanda Reynolds-Gregg There's actually female Black Panthers :D
and in the comics, Shuri becomes the Black Panther at one point!
Shuri becomes a Black Panther?! That's awesome!!
Don't ask them to actually watch the movie.
In the comics, Shuri becomes the Queen of Wakanda and the Black Panther, so Carl is totally wrong on that point.
I fucking knew it. As soon as I saw Shuri and learned she was the tech whiz, I fucking knew anti feminist UA-camrs would have a problem with her. Apparently, the most unbelievable thing about this movie was having a genius woman and not, ya know, a magical source of energy powerful enough to give superhero abilities, on top of everything else it does, in the form of a flower.
And she didn't ruin moments of meaning? What the hell is Sargon talking about? Apparently it's unbelievable for women to be geniuses and insufferable when they're funny.
Lo dice una mujer? Soy contra!
@@nursekayee even if she did ruin moments of meaning, that’s just what siblings do
@@silaskuemmerle2505 EXACTLY! She’s literally a 16 yr old. She may be one of the smartest people on the planet but maturity wise she is still a teen.
Friendly skull condescends to obnoxious pseudo intellectuals is always good content
"In times of trouble, the wise build bridges, while the foolish build walls." - man wearing a trump hat, apparently.
David Colby I love that that’s the most profound quote out of the movie too. Like that IS what you’re supposed to take out of it.
DemonlordHatty yeah I was like oh shoot that's too relevant
This makes Pajama Watson and his little buddies look even stupider, which seems impossible; I know.
It's sad that even with the super obvious sarcasm at the end, I still have to ask...you are being sarcastic, right? >///> It's...getting hard to tell with some people...
David Colby Yeah, people really need to tag their sarcasm, because there's no parody so cartoonish that it doesn't look like what one of those alt-right yahoos actually says.
Sargon confuses sisters for love interests?? I know hes from Swindon but wow thats on the nose even for him haha!
Is Swindon like the British version of Alabama
@@sewershaman3280 i guess
@@sewershaman3280 britain doesn't need its own alabama, they already have the royal family
@death llama Tbh it’s nothing special. You'll find a shitty town like Swindon every few miles in Britain.
@@sewershaman3280 i wouldn't say so, what it is though is a literal shithole. I did know Sargon was from there but now i get whu he's likes this. I'd hate everything too if i had to live there
“Shuri is unrealistic” this guy has never had a sibling. You’re SUPPOSED to make meaningless snipes at them. It’s just what you do. It’s a law of physics like gravity or government buildings having shitty WiFi.
To be fair, she's unrealistic in other ways, come on. It's fiction.
@@manuelmateo3392 yeah. Her being a super genious in all sciences is kinda unrealistic(no "women cant be scientists" bs though, just being this good at one is already incredible).
@@davitdavid7165 Yeah, but no more than Tony Stark being an expert in every field including creating timetravel over like a weekend. But I know fo r a fact Sargon would never call Tony's unreallistic scientific competency out... I wonder what's the difference there...
@@RoseInTheWeeds its like when they exploded when captain marvel was releassed lol.
Sargon watches movies the same way he reads articles.
Larry Lopez "couldn't they cut this movie down to the minutes?"
@@briankenney9528 well i agreewith that
Same with PJW. Wait, he only reads the title
I honestly hate how films are just boring filler same with books most often
Paul Joseph Haven't Watchson
Worr have a like
Almost as good as 'Sargon of Akkan't read my own sources'.
Sargon of Yer Dad
Oh my God.
You a clown or what? Look like a German clown....
Stefan: "Wakanda is a successful and thriving country because it was able to keep it's borders closed, preserve it's culture and not get wiped out by invading forces."
Stefan: "There was no genocide of the Native Americans and colonialism was great."
1 Most of the natives died of diseases
2 the natives were really in stone age and were cannibals with human sacrifices before Europeans came
And ofc the case of natives is a pretty strong argument for anti immigration
@@muhammedbinhussain510 Where are you from ?
@@muhammedbinhussain510 Dude, you are delusional
@@muhammedbinhussain510 diseases that came from Europeans who did it on purpose.
Shaun, if you're going to insist on using footage of Molyneux, could you at least blur out the ends of his sentences? He invariably smirks like he's unlocking the family dungeon to bring his daughter food and "company", and it kinda makes my skin crawl.
Lmao
@@aaronmarks9366 its been a year but i feel you should be reminded you made this very bad comment XD
@@lewissmith5759 I think you wanted to @ obligatoryprofile ;)
LMAO dude.... Honestly Same. I feel like im watching really bad acting when he talks
...what
"Intended to be watched and understood by children" Damn Shaun, throwing some shade
I can't believe you spoiled a Christmas Carol for me!!! I've never been exposed to that story in my entire life! I was saving it for... later!
Sarah I actually never watched that movie
The story is a bit older than that movie
The Grinch also turns out to be a really swell guy! Spoilers
*Unironically likes comment
You should read the prequel novels first, so you get the detailed history of Scrooge's tragic origins. He was initially a good kid, highly gifted in the ways of business, with an abundance of midichlorians.
If you criticise Shuri for being unrealistic but not Tony Stark, you’ve shown your hand
i didnt get why sargon of akkad said shuri was insufferable bc she kept on undermining the king. WHAT DID HE EXPECT??? thats how siblings WORK. jesus christ, all i learned was sargon of akkad is an only child who doesnt understand sibling rivalry, sibling JOKES, and sibling relationships.
like when shuri teased t'challa by being really formal and referring to him as "my king" and then t'challa laughed and said "shut up". lol, yep, sargon's probably an only child
That's because Carl is a bleeding moron, dear. He doesn't understand anything - ever.
Yeah nobody in the world ever stayed with their cousins for the weekend, you sure you aren't the one with a bubbleview of how families work man? I know borthers who don't talk to one another not because they hate each other or have bad blood between them but simply because they're different people, I know sisters that fucking hate each other and would do anything to have seperate rooms from one another and I know siblings that constantly undermime each other whether it be for comedy or to genuinely feel like a superior twat, idk man you must not have had cousins growing up, there's no possible way someone with cousins could think that way, because they would already know what it's like to have a cousin or a cousin.
no no you see Sargon has never spoken to another human in his life. he just locks himself in his house in yells about SJWS AND FEMINISM ARE CANCER THE WORLD IS OVER
It's a woman having fun at the expense of her older brother who happens to be a man in a position of power. No wonder he can't stand her.
I think what people wrongly assume about Black Panther is that it's supposed to be mostly a narrative about white racism but in fact it's a narrative about *Black identity* it's more so about the conflicts that happen within the black community, which of course are influenced by things like colonialism. Killmonger is the jaded Black American who represents the pain of being separated from the motherland and the damage it can do to one's sense of heritage. T'challa is the black identity that could've existed if white colonialism didn't destroy it and taint it. That's why it's fitting that Killmonger had the motive that he did. Idk I'm tired of everything having to be black vs. white in black narratives, this is a pro black movie so it's nice to talk about the deeper aspects of black identity when it comes to race. I disagree that they were trying to appease white people by not going into colonialism, in fact they were pretty much disregarding white viewers by making the movie so black-centric, making it something Black people would relate to the most, culturally speaking that is.
Really happy you talked about this though, smh it must be tiring watching all the alt-right idiots scramble to serve their own agenda
Thank you for posting this comment. You took the words right out of my brain. This subject of black identity and being cut off from a far-reaching cultural history as a result of colonialism is something that's very painful to me, and the movie tackling this made it so powerful to me.
I'm glad you mentioned this, because it's something I sometimes forget as well. This movie is very well-crafted in that regard.
Mainstream media that speaks about black issues without somehow centering it around white people and white main characters is very rare.
The writers also made very clear that Killmonger wasn't a "bad" black person. Media that addresses issues of race often have the villain be a "bad" person who deserves being punished because his "reverse racism" makes him just as bad as his oppressors. Black Panther skipped this entirely.
They also made sure to point out that his methods of taking over Wakanda were taught to him by colonists (the CIA) and had no black/African origin.
Usually Shaun hits the mark 100%, but I agree, I don't think he quite understood the point of Eric Killmonger and what he represents.
Wouldn't most black people hate Wakanda if it was real? I mean during imperialism and slave trade Wakanda did nothing to stop that from happening in rest of Africa
About 14 mins in and... Turns out Sargon can't tell black people apart?
WHO KNEW
He can't even tell the difference between a spy and a scientist
I'm pretty sure he's pretending in order to virtue signal to his racist audience how disdainful of successful black people he is.
@@vaiyt Either way, it's so funny to see.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case, but I often fail to tell movie characters apart, even when they're white. If they look similar enough, I will get confused.
Black person: *exists*
The right: Why are you being a black supremacist!? You’re oppressing meeee!
And yet they don't understand why there always accused of being racist
This is literally the left concerning white people.
@@westonmeyer3110 no.
@@MeganAllen1738
Yes, very much so.
White tears, white privilege, white fragility, toxic(white)masculinity. Literally the fear of white people existing.
There sure as fuck isn’t anything even resembling this stuff against black people.
@@MeganAllen1738 🙃
Dude, I found your page because of a vid hammering CinemaSins and got worried when I saw some of the vid titles in your history because I assumed you must be another right-wing UA-camr spouting nonsense but I’m SO PLEASED that you’re the exact opposite. Keep doing what you’re doing.
Sheesh. At the end of the movie he even specifically calls out how building walls is bad and stupid. I guess he should've also looked into the camera and added "also Trump is bad and stupid too."
Sargon not being able to tell the difference between two black women who look and act completely differently to one another while crying about how 'the blacks are the REAL racists' is honestly so fucking funny
Literally this lmao
Isolationism due to protecting one from colonialism and legitimate invaders is also very different from an imperial power exploiting other nations then closing the door on them. Alt-right bros, you can't just make a bunch of false equivalences and then complain that it's unfair the fact that they're black makes them different. Context actually matters, you can't just take everything across the world and across history and act like it's the same everywhere and everywhen.
@Scott Drinkwater Arabs? You mean how the ottoman empire was divided into new countries, all with kings, by europeans...?
Scott Drinkwater Yeah because those white men were terrible back then too
Everytime Shaun says “Hello everyone” I get indescribable feelings of euphoria
the famous pinterest user stupid jimmy omg
every time I am subject to the voices of PJW and Molyneaux, I lose several years off my life
Robert Grant OW THE EDGEEE
Anyone have a bandaid? Think I just cut myself on that edge.
Robert Grant I've seen you leave all sorts of pedantic, one-line comments that make no damn sense in the comments section. Keep it up, I've needed token alt-righters to give me a quick laugh.
Why don't you call his show *then and debate where you think he's wrong, instead of wasting more years of your life just moaning on Shaun's channel?
@toolonghitlermeme The last time Molyneux had a debate on camera with a leftist, he hung up on them in a fit of rage because the caller caught him in a logic loop.
yknow these types always talk about respecting your ancestry and then they go ahead and lump together swedish, irish, and german people under the same umbrella of "white"
Kzinssie (porygonlover322)
I agree with you which is why I hate white nationalism. But I do support European nationalists. There is nothing wrong with wanting to preserve your people and your culture. I come from a culture that has suffered through centuries of invasions and attempts to destroy my culture including a genocide so it would be a Pockrus he for me to not support European nationalists.
Sako Gekchyan cultures aren’t set in stone. They always change through contact with strangers. As long as it’s non violent it’s a good thing. Smart people know that you can care about your people and your culture while allowing it to change because it’s the natural other of things. I think many European countries like France actually understands that concept very well. There’s something that makes France unique. if as a foreigner you live for a very long time there and then go back to your country, chances are people will notice that you have changed. They met not shove their culture in everyone’s face but simply being around French people makes you act French. And at the same time, their culture is influence by other cultures they welcome and enjoy. French people are welcoming and in favor of immigration. Not all of course, but the vast majority is.
Eli N.S
I do understand where you’re coming from and I agree that cultures are changing with time. Nothing is stagnant. But people shouldn’t be called hateful or bigot for exercising their right to decide who they let in or don’t let in to their borders.. And it’s not about race either. Or at least it shouldn’t be about race. If I was Italian for example I wouldn’t want a large influx of foreigners coming into my country and outnumbering the ethnic indigenous Italian people. I don’t care if they were other Europeans or Asians or whatever.
I don’t agree with complete isolationism. The strongest nations and empires in the ancient world were the most cosmopolitan. In the Roman provinces you would have people from all around the empire from as far as India and Africa. But what matters here is proportion. A small amount of foreign peoples is not a big deal. It adds flavor to the dish. What’s going on in Europe now is the equivalent of taking the whole container of seasoning and dumping it all over the dish. There is such a thing as too much. Ideas and cultural interaction are powerful when they are used correctly. These days this justification is not as valid because we have things like the Internet and other media platforms to share technology and ideas from across the ocean in seconds. You don’t have to import numbers of that culture on mass to your Shores.
The reason it wasn’t a big deal in ancient times is because there was always a dominant host culture that was the majority. Understand that when I say dominant I don’t mean it in the sense of dominating or subjugating other peoples. I simply mean that in Armenia the vast majority of people should be Armenian and the dominant culture in that nation should be the Armenian culture of native origin.
Think of it the other way around. What if Europeans started migrating illegally on mass to African nations? Or what if they entered these nations as refugees because of some instability in their homelands. Now you tell me would the left condemn and harshly judge these countries for turning these Europeans away with the same passion they do with Europeans.
Bear in mind that colonialism of the past is no excuse. Today in 2018 if something bad happened in Europe and Europeans by the thousands became refugees would you judge nations like Nigeria, India, China or Cuba for denying their entrance?
I bring this up because the same Xenophobia was expressed by nationalists in Uganda against Chinese immigrants. But I didn’t see the media outlets irrupting with condemnation against Uganda or calling the people of Uganda racists or nativists.
My biggest problem with the far left there for is the double standard that holds whites and nonwhites to two different standards of behavior. If we are going to judge Europeans we have to judge everyone.
And it’s sad that I have to give this disclaimer but I have no bigotry or hatred for any race, ethnic group or culture. In fact I’m a history buff and one of my favorite subjects of study are African kingdoms and civilizations.
Also I believe that the west should change its policy of interaction with developing nations. Instead of treating them like children who need to be fed they should be treated like up-and-coming nations who we should engage in open trade and partnerships. Which brings me to another reason that I hate leftist ideology. Treats people of color like children. In all my conversations with minority members with conservative leaning is the one common thread I have come to see is that they hate being talked down to or patronized by well-meaning but ignorant people who see them as an outlet to fulfill their Savior fantasies. Africa doesn’t need saving. Africans are more than capable of saving themselves and so are blacks in the United States and all other minority groups.
So getting back to the topic of immigration, the best thing we can do to help developing nations is to help them where they are. When we import vast numbers of these people we are usually either importing the worst members of that society or the best. By importing the worst members we are hurting ourselves. By importing the best members we are hurting their homelands because we are depriving them of their best and brightest. This is brain drain which is the last thing developing nations need right now.
Sako Gekchyan
One thing you missed about cosmopolitan empires is that what usually made them strong was their ability to integrate foreigners. For instance, Shaun himself made a video about the fall of the Roman Empire and pointed it out. The strength of the Roman Empire was it’s ability to integrate people into their empire. It’s not just the foreigners that were trying to be good civilians, it was the Roman themselves that were welcoming. Their empire fell when they stopped being welcoming.
So no, just having the indigenous group as a majority isn’t enough. Everyone has to make an effort to live together, the host and the foreigners.
What you said about European countries patronizing Africa is very true. Anyone who knows the subject in depth will agree that Some European governments are responsible for the state of many African countries today, as they often pull the strings behind the curtains ( France does that a lot for example).
I am an African immigrant living in France. , I left because there wasn’t much opportunity for me in my country ( plus the French government gave me a grant, I wasn’t going to say no lol!). I am not even interested in going back in my country unless it changes drastically, and believe me, it has to start with France attitude toward us and our current government because OH BOY!...
As far as the migrants in Europe are concerned, I agree that there are lots of illegal immigrants coming to Italy. However, it’s important to not blow things out of proportion. Lots of migrants come legally and don’t cause any problem but of course no one ever talks about us because we can’t be used of a juicy headline. Illegal immigrants, obviously shouldn’t be allowed, but mixing them with the legal ones is unfair. Changing immigration policies is gonna affect the legal migrants more than the illegal ones, even though it’s the illegal immigrants that causes the most trouble. Most legal migrants don’t even stay in the country for the rest of their lives, and integrate pretty well because they come here with clear goals.
It’s illegal immigration that is a problem in Europe, not all kind of immigration.
Sako Gekchyan the use of the word « import » is very intentionally misleading in your last paragraph. You are trying to put the blame on the host for immigration. Some government give grants, sure, but migrants come in Europe because they want to. By using the world « import » you make it sound like there is a trade or Europe is bringing people in, as if they were the ones taking people and putting them in their country, even though some European countries are currently trying to limit the number of immigrants.
Just don’t use the word import unless you are talking about goods or slaves brought to another country against their will.
I love that he criticises the younger sister for ruining serious moments by adding random humorous quips when that's actually more of a general Marvel thing. But I bet he never complained about something similar in any other Marvel movie. I sure wonder why.
Shaun, the only thing I'd like to add that you don't mention in the video is that wakandas isolationism was not because they wanted to keep all their resources and power to themselves but because they were aware of the power vibranium and weren't sure if the rest of world which is full of greed and other imperialist vices would not abuse this power. This isn't similar to the extreme right position of isolationism which wants to protect its resources so other people who are in need of them don't use them.
"i haven't actually seen it..!" pjw is such an outstanding idiot. XD
I didn’t watch the video, what are you talking about?
Ar D Paul Joseph Watson makes an analysis on wakanda and its political implications but admits he hasn’t actually watched the movie.
@@m.h2247 I didn't read his comment, what are you talking about?
PJW is truly astounding. I thought you could only find people that stupid in small town America. Sad to hear that people that stupid exist everywhere.
James Downs i mean the UK has REALLY shown their ass in the last two months lmao
Love how the alt right says "its just a movie, calm down black people".
Then immediately somehow conflate it to reality
Cough Ben Shapiro cough cough
Robert Grant lol both groups can easily do the same thing, "no the left is the only one that poops!!!!!!"
It's just a movie... they made Heimdall black? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Someone need to tell Lupita Nyong'o that, because she's going around telling people it's an acurate depiction of a black society untainted by colonialism.
Andrew Devine im not sure if youre understanding the double standard and hipocracy
Saying Black Panther celebrates isolationism is exactly like saying A Christmas Carol celebrates greed
I remember T'Chala chastising his sister about her wanting to become queen, but I thought it was about the fact that he was the elder child, making him the next in line. He clearly looks older than her.
Also, one of the people that decided not to challenged him at the beginning was a woman, so it appears that women can become the head of state.
-1 for Sargon
jpw: i didnt watch but the worst twitter poster explained it
stefan molyneux: i watched it but was busy thinking about monologuing
carl: i watched it but all black people look the same, oops im racist
Please do a trigger warning before you play PJW's voice, i can't deal with surprises like that in the morning
I want one for Stefan too.
If you haven't seen it, watch Eric Taxxon's video We Are Who We Are. Pjw's voice has never been so beautiful
@@SJNaka101 What the hell did I just watch
Agreed, something so insufferable about his voice.
Could be worse, it could be Ben Shapiro
Imagine watching Black Panther and forgetting the entire moral of the story
Deliberately missing the point about things and being smug about it is how they make money. What I'm saying is...South Park has been a terrible influence on our generation.
*ignoring
They didn’t forget a thing.
"A Christmas Carol" is considered a great tragedy on Ferenginar, where the Ferengi see the story as a horrible tale where a shrewd and wise businessman is bullied by three spirits into a life of useless philanthropy.
How can anyone listen to that Molyneaux guy talk for more than like a minute?
That dude is literally one of the creepiest guys on the internet
I could listen to him but only if my phone's on mute.
It feels degrading
Here's how: They don't
Are we really supposed to believe Sargon sat through that entire movie though
Mal c.H Seriously. It’s, like, 27 Sargons long. No way he watched the whole thing.
Bob the Monitor ;)
The first mistake is assuming they're arguing in good faith
same like anti-vaxxers
This video just should've been a loop of T'challa screaming "All of you were wrong!" at his ancestors. How could you miss that an essential part of his character arc is realizing that Wakanda's sequestering itself from the rest of Africa and the world was a mistake?
Though as far as I see it, the movie still overall states that you should respect your ancestors in some way, otherwise he wouldn't be found talking to them all the time (even if he may disagree with them on one point). From a German perspective, this seems especially off putting, imagine if I'd start having a conversation with my ancestors and taking advise from them, even if I might disagree with them on one point. Also, already in the title "Wakanda forever", the movie seems to be advocating for a modern type of nationalism, being proud of your nation, even if not being proud of everyone that has ever been in it. The analogy to "Deutschland über alles" just seems too clear to me.
We're at a point in which the right can't even properly interpret a movie most kids can follow.
Also, the lack of originality among the "skeptic/rational" community never ceases to astound me. These people just regurgitate the same shit between another, and their fanbases never get tired of hearing the same argument several times over.
I recommend a few lesser known ones: Dr Layman, who's probably the most fair-minded to progressives; Gabriel Lucas, who's niche, but concise; and Vernaculis, who's just pretty frickin' cool.
Shaun is incorrect. See my long comment.
Shaun is right and you're listening to Nazis. Because alt-right was invented by National Socialist Movement as a re-branding, NEVER, EVER forget that.
Robert Grant , To be fair and accurate, the arising states that originally pursued a communist society and failed, are the ones at fault. Not the economic philosophy itself, which mentions and implies nothing about those atrocities as a requirement.
Aurora. Seriously? The economic philosophy leads directly to mass slaughter. The ideas of communism and redistribution of wealth are so anti what human biology is all about that it is an impossibility to implement. Every time communism is tried it fails and leads to slaughter.
To say that communism as a philosophy is correct is to say that if a frog had wings he wouldn't bounce around on his ass all day. He doesn't and he does. The only way communism can work is if we are no longer humans. We'd have to be a different species.
Now, there are welfare states that seem peaceful and prosperous. Can you guess which ones they are? Correct, only WHITE countries have successful welfare states. White northern European countries have high taxes with cradle to grave welfare benefits and they work well. They aren't communist but they take a lot of taxes. Something about their white biology or white culture makes them work very well. I don't know which and I don't care. What's for sure is that there are no successful black countries and welfare for the black community is highly destructive and even the blacks recognize this and are calling welfare the new black plantation.
Of course Sargon hated Shuri. OF COURSE
And of course he confuses two of the black women for one another.
I imagine he tells Okoye apart because the other two have hair and only by that.
The scenes where they were together must have really confused him. He probably thought Shuri developed a vibranium clone
Fake grrl gamer
+Terminimal I'm stealing that term 😂
RIP Chadwick Boseman
They literally accept Bucky, a disabled refugee, into their country *before the movie even starts*. T'challa doesn't even fit their delusions at the beginning of the film.
Not to mention that Bucky had already been publicly framed for their death of their king in the first place. Plus, Wakanda had already started provided aid workers to various African countries -- at the behest of the old king, nonetheless. The main reason for Black Panther's involvement in _Civil War_ is because a bunch of these aid workers get killed in the crossfire of the Avengers fighting in Lagos, Nigeria.
*Reads title
If this was literally ANYONE else I'd assume it was clickbait XD
C. A. Ya can, see above
Tracy Wilburn I have ascended
Neal Kelly Coolness~
Call it, "a clever rhetorical device". Maybe it'll actually draw in a few who are looking to have that opinion validated, when it is in fact being questioned.
Terminimal What are you talking about? I never freez...clickbait~
Another thing that really bothers me about this: pretty much every alt-righter that's talked about the movie has mentioned how the science is unrealistic. I mean, sure, the hovertrains are never really explained in detail because that's not the point of the movie, but people specifically mention that it's ridiculous to imagine that there's some magical East-African mineral that can run cities and launch spaceships. Sounds reasonable enough.
Except that if you do some cursory Googling you'll find that East-Africa is actually the source of most of the world's coltan, which is used in almost every electronic device. Vibranium is one of the most realistic movie-magic-wonder-metals because it's based on a real-life wonder metal that we do use to well, run cities and launch spaceships.
I guess this sort of knowledge isn't super widespread but it's still really frustrating to see people basically just ignoring one of the cleverest pieces of worldbuilding in the movie so that they can complain about how unrealistic it is.
Africa is amazingly mineral rich.
Limey Lassen why do you think it was robbed by Europe so many times.. Still is.. Ain't it? Sigh. Colonialism...
James Morgan Also it's a fucking marvel movie. In the same universe there's a fucking raccoon that spits jokes and shoots people, but a fucking rock is unrealistic.
So they must like the starwars prequels then?
Of course Africa is rich, it's a continent.
Oh my god Thor 3 is about a nationalist being confronted with the colonial history of his nation and dealing with that truth.
I need to watch that movie again.
I once saw someone describe it as "the perfect Thanksgiving movie" and honestly, yes.
I'm also a big fan of Captain America: Winter soldier since it's about a government agent realizing that military and intelligence institutions are too vulnerable to corruption to be allowed to wield the kind of power they have and fighting to dismantle them.
Thor had already been questioning Asgard's greatness since his initial exile in Thor 1, as indicated by his conversation with Coulson in Avengers 1.
11:35 "she's also insufferable... i found her unrealistic, unrelatable, and unbearable"
sargon of akkad has obviously never had a sibling
Are you honestly surprised PJW/Incel Corner Cheong/Calgon/Stefan thought all the people of Wakanda were the same? Remember Stefan's awful video about the Native American Genocide where he lumped all Native Americans into one group and not realize there were multiple tribes and cultures with different beliefs?
I mean, they even lump all the white people in the world into one big monolithic entity. And as we all know, there's no difference at all between the cultures and attitudes of, say, Norway, France, Russia and the US, and their interests and goals are all perfectly aligned which means this grouping is not at all arbitrary!
aromisuolakaivos I bet they also apply the one drop rule.
@@Fnorgh its funny because they only started expanding the definition of white because their ideology was dying. somehow people did buy into it tho. sad
So the right wing idealogues are at the point of just going "actually popular thing that is specifically opposed to my politics is actually FOR them because I don't understand nuance." That seems cool and also good.
+prahanormal You caught that too! 😆
prahanormal just how they always cite studies that say the opposite of what they say
You've never set foot in Europe have you?
Black Panther is pro-ethnonationalism which helps ethnonationalists of all races.
Hunu Ah yes, the story of a leader of a country having to decide how to manage the relationship of his country with the rest of the world has no relation to real life AT ALL...
/s
i do love how the film specifically states there are 5 tribes, and shows one of them as hating the other four, yet the alt right watchs it and just sees black people, thus thinks, guess they are all the same, despite what the film tells you and then Shows you
i mean by that logic they must want mass immigration from poland seeing as all white people look the same?
i mean its almost like they dont have a coherrant ideology
great video btw
"Let's leave them dangling there awkwardly"
How could you NOT cut to a shot of Thor dangling from chains at the beginning of Ragnarok? Missed opportunity Shaun. I must downvote you.
I know what you're thinking; "Oh no! Thor's in a cage! How did this happen!?", well, sometimes you have to captured just to get a straight answer out of somebody.
After watching Black Panther, and unlike the UA-cam pundits you reference, actually followed the story from beginning to end I walked out of the theater asking, "Is it just me or was this entire movie a giant middle finger to Trump?" I and my friend concluded yes, and that Black Panther was better for it. And with those idiots trying to hijack the movie for the politics the movie itself blatantly shows to be bad (and clearly basing these attempts on the premise at the start of the movie), the real question becomes "Are conservatives capable of learning?"
SomeSchmuck1 at the end even said that building walls between people is foolish.
I think we should stop expecting human cognitive abilities from the « skeptics » and the alt-right
God, Sargon saying "woke" just fucking grossed me out.
That's the point, whenever someone says something ridiculous like "women are vindictive creatures who remember everything" he calls that woke too, it's irreverent humor.
Jolly Trolly it's a gross man saying words that do not belong to him.
Words that do not belong to him, are you saying he appropriated woke? He says the word in the way i described above because it's a ridiculous word.
Also words don't belong to anyone, that's absurd.
Jolly Trolly
Eventually he'll say it seriously like most white people do with a lot of black terms. And why is "woke" ridiculous?
woke is a black term now, interesting you see it that way. Woke is an ideological term and it's ridiculous for the same reason redpill is; It assumes you have the "right" answer, if you go into a dialect assuming everything you know is right and you're just trying to convert who you're talking to then it's not really a dialect at all. This is unhealthy and unproductive.
The best part about Carlgon saying Shuri can't ever be queen of Wakanda…is that she was queen in the comics. She was also the Black Panther. T'Challa was busy doing I don't remember what due to whatever big event was going on in the Marvel Universe at the time.
But sticking to the movie, how can you watch a movie where the general is female, half of the council is female, the resident tech expert is female, and think Wakanda's a patriarchy?
Oh snap lol... Didn't know that lolz. Carl looks ever worse to me now lol. Didn't think that was possible.
OH MY GOD! I work at a major theme park (whose parent company owns the rights to some major superheroes and star warriors) and I noticed after we reopened that covid had scarred away a large percentage of certain populations. The people coming to the parks are diverse, but the vast majority (to my eye) seem to fit into two categories. There's the people obsessed with my company to an unhealthy degree, those that no virus could ever keep away, and then there's the Trumpy-fascy types. You can easily recognize them because they wear underarmor shirts with backwards flags, eagles adorn their clothing, sometimes they have american symbols tattooed on their skulls, sometimes they wear nazi iconography, and often when forced to wear masks they have masks that say "This mask does nothing" or "Let's go Brandon". This later group is always, always white. Well, recently, a few months ago I started seeing many of these white families wearing Wakanda masks and shirts to a VERY large degree. Now, I saw Black Panther and loved it. When it came out, I was excited. But I knew I was not the demographic with the cause to celebrate the most. Why years later did these people start wearing Wakanda paraphernalia? I knew it was probably crypto-fascism I was looking at, but I didn't know how this had become a rallying point for them the way that Viking symbols has or that the swastika did last Century. Now I understand. Until now, I had no exposure to alt-right propaganda selling Wakanda. As I recall, they spoke out against Black Panther initially. Fuck these Nazis.
It's like a Rorschach test. These people look at the movie, see a defense of their gross ideologies, and ignore the rest.
They do this with everything, which is why they claim to be the party of Lincoln, but support everything of the Confederacy.
No, its like looking at a sign saying "bad things are bad" and then thinking "yes, obviously bad things are good. Them liberals, thinking bad things aren't bad because they're written in black."
They do the same with "Fight Club".
The youtube right never cease to surprise me
Robert Grant how forced
Adrian Rivero it's not really wrong though, UA-cam politics in itself is pathetic
Politics aside, I think that's why I like the lefty channels so much. They don't take themselves deadly serious the way people like Molyneux or Sargon do
Palpatine VEVO
Being predictable in your politics just means you're consistent. Are you trying to make a point? Constantly surprising people with your reasoning and politics means you might be a little irrational and erratic
@Doven Ro Galus Precisely!
Shaun, thank you very much for all that you do. As a bi-racial man who fell for the alt right and their anti sjw rhetoric, I almost went down a dark path. Thanks to you and contra points, I now see my errors. I also see the alt right for the charlatans that they are. Keep fighting the good fight.
Darius Emmanuel I have a question for you: was it pride that made you following their path or something.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 Speaking from my own experience, something to understand about the alt-right was that they absolutely dominated UA-cam in the past; most gaming and meme channels came to adopt their talking points, and if you made a video disagreeing with these alt-right content creators, you could expect thousands of dislikes. As a result, they were the first to spin the narrative about what "SJWs" were like. It was subtle at first; starting with "Ha ha, look at these silly SJWs" and gradually shifting to "The left has gone too far and we must now immediately course-correct to the 'center'," then "Our culture, our nation, our entire existence is under threat because of these man-hating SJWs. Everything you love about games, life and everything will be ruined if they win."
If I had to point to one emotion that kept me there, there was a little bit of pride, but mostly fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of change, fear of these SJWs that the alt-right had demonized.
Sargon: I don't like this man's sibling because she behaves like she is his sibling.
A small point, but I had to note it.
I hate looking at and listening to Stefan Molyneux.
He is just...the worst.
Repulsive to all of the senses.
Like a human sebaceous cyst
(Look it up. Or rather, don't)
His voice makes my skin crawl
I don't think he's the worst. I've read Plato and Aristotle and they were incorrect about so much. I read them and am fascinated because they teach how to think and break down issues. Treat Molyneux the same way. Use him as a way to sharpen your critical thinking skills. Take what you believe and leave the rest.
He does make a good cult leader, though.
Also, Shaun is incorrect. See my long comment.
It's so amazing to me that these guys, with so many followers, get so much of the base facts about the film wrong. Not small things, but pivotal themes.
... do they help write cinemasins? /s
you can get rid of that /s they probably do
It's terrifying how many followers they have and how many likes their videos get.
Robert Grant
Authoritarianism is terrifying, period. By the way, your earlier comment about how the left is supposedly defending a "homogeneous totalitarian regime based on violence" is just laughable. I've heard nobody defending that shit. Lay off those "skeptic" videos for a bit, eh?
Robert Grant
You said the left is defending this kind of place (homogeneous totalitarian regime based on violence). Are we?
Robert Grant
Maybe they just liked the actual movie and not the idea of a "Wakanda."
Notice how these people conveniently ignore the movie leans towards supporting globalization and the bad guy LITERALLY wanted to start a race war
The reason that the conservative youtubers were so confused is that they can't seem to tell black people apart. It would seem that Sargon thought that the whole movie was a one man play.
Carl, Paul and Stefan are still stupid? Imagine muh shock!
Really what new
I like how the entire argument could be boiled down to: watch past the first 45 minutes of a two hour film.
The deliberate misunderstanding of films to serve their narrative is nothing new to these people. What makes this more egregious than their other "truth of" videos is that Black Panther actually says out loud that only fools build walls not bridges, the exact opposite of Alt Right and Trump thinking multiple times and yet they proceed to completely misunderstand to try to... I dunno, own liberals or something.
I know for a fact Sargon does it on purpose. The number of times he's had basic stuff explained to him and he accepts it, then days later says the same shit goes beyond stupidity and into being wilful.
"I wonder, said Lafarge, just how much Molly knew"
So, are Sargon, Stephan and Paul willing to finally admit that they empathize with the idea of Wakanda's xenophobia because they are fearful creatures scared of those they would call inferior?
More like they just want an excuse to call everyone who disagrees with them a hypocrite.
Why not both
@@LimeyLassen Yeah why not.
"in the opening narration intended to be understood by children..."
I love you and your capacity of burning these bigots without altering your tone.
"And I'll show here a picture of Michael Caine in The Muppet Christmas Carol, which is by far the best adaptation."
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.
The cut to PJW saying the movie sucks and he hasn't seen it killed me. I am dead and Paul did it to me.
Anyone who says the movie has an pro-Trump message obviously didn't stay for the mid credits scene.
IKR, in fact if there was anything in the film that had a pro-trump message it was the villain of the film, not the hero.
I wouldn't say that either because Killmonger is pro-Globalization (albeit to conquer for revenge) and doesn't hate black people.
At 4:46 I knew exactly where you were going with this. Nice job setting up those earlier points.
Paul joseph watson looks like an oblivion character
He does.
Amazing.
I've decided to believe that the universe has some cosmic balance. That's because Shaun's voice is exactly as soothing as PJW's is grating.
s s Yo I was thinking the same thing
I always forget how popular these people are. All of their videos on Black Panther have tons of views, and most of the comments are positive. And all 3 of these guys majorly missed the main theme of the fucking movie!!! But their millions of viewers eat it all up. Did none of them watch the movie?? Did they walk out after the first 5 minutes?? Or did they all literally miss the point of a movie meant to be consumed by children..... These people never cease to amaze me
WinslowHomie They all rely heavily on their audience not bothering to actually go see the movie, so that they can embellish as much as they need to prove their "analysis."
I'm wonderign teh same with regards to the last jedi movie. A lot of the "plot holes" come from folk not paying attention to what isn't a very complicated story.
These people are allowed to vote. Maybe absolute monarchy is the way after all ...
WinslowHomie It wasn't about the movie smart ass,it was about how the leftist media reacted to it by overpoliticizing it
how can you know a movie is over politicized unless you've watched it and taken in what it says about politics? Also PJW's video literally made claims about the themes of the movie that were false. Shaun goes over it in this video, if you're curious
The ethnostate claim also kind of fails because, even if they *were* honest enough to say that they mean "race state", the fact that they were rejecting black refugees kind of undermines that.
Killmonger represents the damaged done to black people by colonialism. And we can't judge Wakanda by Western standards, the point of Wakanda is that they're mostly free of Western influence, Democracy is a Western creation, so it's foreign to Wakanda. Not to mention that the political system seems like a parliamentary monarchy or something like that; anyway, whatever it is, it's unlike anything we have in the West
MakiPcr that and the fact that its more difficult to have a western style constitutional monarchy when your king has super powers. Im sure a spanner would have been thrown in the works of the British system if Queen Elizabeth started hurling people around and jumping 50 feet.
If Louis XIV could've jump 50 ft and led the army against an invading alien force* maybe the French Revolution wouldn't have happened
(*just watched Infinity War, HOLY SHIT)
MakiPcr it’s like sayin we can’t judge North Korea
We can
And we can
What logic is that? Human rights are also a “western invention” does that mean we shouldn’t judge non western countries if they break them… Also guess what the first monarchy was in Africa… does this mean the whole continent isn’t allowed to form its own opinion and develop into other political systems… especially if you’re the RICHEST country on earth and weren’t effected by colonialism and such… also I think the average person would prefer to be able to have a say in what’s going on…
I saw Black Panther last week and during the credits someone a few rows down from me was going off on a rant to no-one in particular repeating the same points as the 'skeptics'.
Good to see the parrots get some time out of their cage.
Those things have been known to get easily hurt when they leave the cage. I think they should stay in the cage for their own good personally...
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 someone's bound to R.K.O them from the top!
...wrong cage?
lemme guess, do you remember if they were a 25-40 yold average-overweight size white male
It's a bit hard to believe that I used to watch Sargon. He's insufferable.
Dangerous Joy I always found his authoritative tone insufferable even back then, but idk it must have been captivating in some way, because he was one of my favorite UA-camrs. His comments section being filled with alt-righters, and actual neo Nazis being widely supported, and how he was just fine with that, is what drove me away from his channel like like 2 years ago.
I would have always considered myself socially libertarian and an economic leftist, and I still do. I have been learning more about how power structures throughout history influence society though. Which is something that I wouldn't have been able to consider back in the anti sjw days.
Saaaame. That said what I really can't believe that you think Princess Bubblegum did nothing wrong, that's the most inexplicable opinion I've seen.
Same !i feel so ashamed now😔
I use to be subscribed to Stephen, before I realized the guy was bat shit insane.
It could be worse, I used to watch MrRepzion and the Amazing Atheist...
Why do these people even watch a movie called Black Panther if they’re just going to get offended the whole time? It’s like they thrive on outrage.
I Know why you are here ... Rest in Peace Chadwick
Criticizing movies you've never seen is *M A X I M U M S K E P T I C I S M*
How do these supposedly intelligent commentators get followers? They are so single minded in their ignorance it boggles my mind. They keep crying it's a JUST a movie and yet wanna use that same movie to push their agenda... Btw, ur deadpan voice is the fuggin funniest. U should play Marvin the Paranoid Android.
Populism my friend, populism.
People are idiots
Polandgod 75 Jeremy Corbyn is a populist
You can always call Molyneux's show and tell him he's unintelligent, and then debate him. Wouldn't that be more proactive than just moaning about him?
Also, if you watch Molyneux's piece on the Black Panther, he later actually expresses sympathy with blacks who only have a fictional state as a "role model". Many black kids are not only confused about their heritage due to slavery, but also don't have father figures in their lives.
Molyneux talks about this, and actually gets upset. He's brave enough to "have a conversation..." about the plight of many young black males in American society today. He's a compassionate guy and even if you hate him, he's one of a few people prepared to talk about solutions to the agitators who want a race war (left and right).
Either this is a good thing, or you think it's a bad thing. Whether he's more intelligent than you or not, at least he's prepared to stick his neck out of the parapet, and, to me at least, that makes him a true philosopher.
Again, call his show and TALK to him.
Do... do these people not know that the whole point of the movie was that the isolationist wakkanda was the wrong ideology?
T’chala even yells at his ghost dad about it and he loved his ghost dad so much he went on the war path to try and kill Bucky then Zemo
He even spared Zemo and Bucky. He even gave chance to Killmonger to get revived. T'challa has sympathy for his friends or foes.
Did these people finish the movie? By the end Wakanda opens up to the world, they start helping out nations that need it. The moral of the story is the help your fellow man
After milion of years of isolation and nationalism, so yeah. And I say this as a centrist.
@@mnm1273 I know that obviously due to the fact that Wakanda is the best that it can be it should be reasonable and chivalrous to assist the fellow man. A nation should fix a lot of it mistakes before going globalist tbh. I for example always believet that egocentrism is integral without it impacting somebody else in a negative way and when you thereafter are satisfied altruism should be hoe of your top priorities
Altough that is just my idea of morality:)
@@mnm1273 I actually think you're right, I was mistaken by drawing my own personal philosphy with that of the world. I just think that considering your own country as a priority and when you prosper your priority should be altruism.
I always thought Nationalism->globalism, or I might interested in you reffuting my philosphy.
@@mnm1273 Really interesting. As a 15 year old right winger I didn't want to be do oblivious and just be far right without hearing the other side of the argument. The problem I truly have is one that sadly be hard to solve and that is converting people from Islamic countries cause integrating not culture but the moral values and ethics of a certain culture had proven to be a little risky. Shaun lies when he says that left wing people don't defend Islam. I also wanted to ask if Individualism and globalism can coexist or is individualism a bad thing? I also wanted to thank you for the long comment cause it truly informed me.
@@mnm1273 And why can't a country turn from globalist to nationalist if it would benefit one,
Well, one good thing comes out of this, at least now everybody agrees that the alt right people are for an ethnostate based on skin color. Even if this all doesn't apply to the movie. This also again shows that they are pushing the whole 'skin color' is the same as 'culture' thing. (Which is one of the disgusting wordgames they play, talk about culture a lot, and not mentioning where they mean culture, they believe culture is the same as skin color). So no longer can they hide behind the 'it is only about culture' motte bailey/bait and switch.
This video is all well and good but you're getting too caught up on facts and logic. Where's the blatant oversimplification and lack of research?
Let me help you out there lol.
This movie is now about ummm... Satan! Because uhhh... Death and afterlife are things that happen in the movie.
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I thought you were talking about Infinity War
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 No, it's completely anti-Christian because the afterlife doesn't have God or Satan!
Edit: Or sends the message that black people don't get the same afterlife as we do
Oh my gosh, just found you and I love your videos!
Instant gratification for validating my belief that Muppet Christmas Carol is the best version of that story. You win!