I actually laughed out loud when he said that male villains never get humanizing backstories... while commenting a franchise where basically, an entire prequel trilogy was made to give a humanizing backstory to the main male villain.
even when overlooking the prequel trilogy, the ending of Star Wars is basically Darth Vader redeeming himself by saving his son from an agonizing death and turning on the most evil being in the galaxy. If that's not humanizing the biggest antagonist of the saga, I don't know what it is.
"Male villains don’t get sympathetic backstories!” that’s an odd thing to say in a Star Wars movie review yknow a franchise that has an entire movie trilogy about the sympathie backstory of the main male villian
Usually hindsight is helpful, but now it's clouding my memory... did Kylo Ren get his own sympathetic backstory (that is, "Luke tried to kill me!!!") in Force Awakens or in Last Jedi?
And honestly, not every villain needs to "have a point", get a sympathetic backstory or be otherwise relatable in their actions, and it feels like a lot of (movie) writers toss that kind of stuff in just to tick a box. "Here's the bad guy, he's bad, now go beat him up" is a tried and true narrative structure for a reason.
"If there are female characters that can fight, rape culture can't be real" - Stefan Molyneux. This dude jumped so many sharks I think he's stealthily hoping to be in the next Sharknado.
@bunnybreaker Oh god, I think I need video tape AND written instructions to pee, that’s how far watching just these short clips of Molypuke has dropped my IQ. He may as well be saying WOMEN WHO FIGHT WELL IN MOVIES ARE THE REASON WE CAN’T EAT BACON!!! I mean...what?!? Also...Jesus. Can’t. He. Talk...NOR...mullee. He out-Shatners Shatner.
And his examples are one female character with copious amounts of espionage and combat training, and another with force magic who grew up in a harsh environment filled with criminals. Sound logic.
@@sissymarie2912 And even if Rey was more a Mary Sue than any other male main characters in action films, I think it would be perfectly fine. It's ok to sometimes lean back and enjoy some wishfillment, feel-good stories. If everything in media has to reflect reality, it would be really boring. We need escapism in our life to sometimes 'escape' from the mundane. On a side note, even if Luke had had a training montage with Yoda, the guy he beat up was freaking Darth Vader who had years of more training and experience and was a literal cyborg + a child of the force. How many years of training did Luke have before beating him anyway? The number comparison here is pure pedentry. Why draw the arbitrary line that how much training Luke received was in the ok category and not how much experience Rey had?
“Swordfighting is very difficult and dangerous, as I learned from playing MacBeth..” What, you mean you weren’t *trained from birth* to fight with a sword??
This probably translates as 'I spent an hour or two waving around an aluminium display prop and this somehow makes me Toshiro Mifune'. The average LARPer, male or female, could probably take down this alpha male uber-warrior with very little effort, I suspect.
Stefan needs to...not talk about women anymore, you know? I hope his daughter does okay. I hate imagining someone growing up in a house where whenever a character like Rey comes on screen, dad starts going on about how unrealistic it is for her to be capable and that she should just be a victim like real women or something.
@LEO2001 But in A New Hope, Luke pretty much succeeded at everything he set out to do, even quite foolhardy things like rescuing Leia from the Death Star.
@LEO2001 Also, when I watched TFA I didn't feel that Rei was presented as a flawless character. Rei's flaws are that she is judgmental and overconfident. When she meets Finn, she accuses him of cowardice and he tells her she doesn't know what she's talking about. Sean says the movie doesn't really take side here, but I think it does, and its clear that Finn was mostly right and Rei was mostly wrong. She didn't know what she was talking about w/r/t the First Order, she thought it would be easy to be brave and then found out it was actually hard, and in the end she learns the value of running away from a losing battle.
@LEO2001 Yes, really good point. Those five minutes of training made all the difference. So if Rey had spent five minutes training with the laser ball thing you'd be perfectly fine with everything else in the movie, aye?
@LEO2001 i think you're missing the point a bit. It dosnt matter if Ray is way too op or whatever because Stefan cant handle 'strong female characters' at all. It dosent matter how well written they are since his problem isnt actually with Ray or wonder woman. The problem is that he hates women and thats a really toxic enviroment for a child to grow up in.
@LEO2001 im not saying Ray isnt op (which she might as well be i have no idea and it isnt important to the conversation) im just pointing out that the original comment focused on the negativ effects Stefans blatant sexism could have on his daughter
He has apparently never heard of women beating up men in self-defense in real life. Two woman friends of mine fought off and defeated rapists. One was untrained and kicked his shins bloody with her platform shoes and another knew kung fu.
Dude, Rey could wield a lightsaber almost instantly, and you can’t fight off multiple intruders in a home invasion? Are they sith? Do they use the force? I didn’t think so.
fat gumbo jefferson yeah, that was weird because Darth Vader’s helmet is not supposed to be a dick, it was a combination of a Samurai helmet and a German WWII helmet. I don’t think Stefan knows what he is talking about.
*Normal commentators:* Watch movie; make list of things they liked and hated. *Stefan:* First makes a list of things he hates; watches movie looking for that.
I had this book once: *_Star Wars: Luke's Fate_* It was a Step Into Reading book. And it showed he listened to a tape multiple times; Imperial Space Academy, or something. It also showed him racing a rival, Fixer, in - *_Are you lying down on the floor???_* - Beggar's Canyon!!! So yes, Luke *_IS_* a somewhat skilled pilot, and Jeremy of CinemaSins needs to stop saying: "ThE bOoKs DoN't FuCkInG mAtTeR!", because *_CLEARLY_* they do, partially because they tell parts of the story movies don't or just can't!!
@@Alysa-Aiday Luke talks about bagging womp rats in his T-38 (or whatever) in Beggar's Canyon. Lore wise the controls of that are supposed to be similar to the ones in a starfighter.
"If [women] are victims, you can't be fighters, and if you're fighters, then you can't be victims!!!" Then... How are men mugged, assaulted, murdered and indeed domestically abused, sometimes even by women no less?
JammyD2579 Does he not realize fighters are the most likely to be victims because of their hazardous occupations( soldiers, boxers, wrestlers) therefore they are most likely to be victims. So both men and women can be fighters and victims.
well their domination of media and industry has been thoroughly documented, and the evidence that they have their own agenda is overwhelming. the protocols of zion may seem like corny conspiratard bullshit, but the disturbing thing is that all the drastic changes that happened throughout the 20th century correspond pretty perfectly with the text of that alleged hoax.
ArnoldTohtFan You know a drastic thing that actually did happen in the 20th century? A European government systematically murdered at least six million men, women, and children because of crap like that. That was within plenty of older people's lifetimes! It really wasn't that long ago! CLEARLY the zionist conspiracy had shit well under hand. I'd spend more time arguing with your blatantly false conspiracy theories, but I have to go make sure that whichever cemetery just got vandalized wasn't the one half my family's buried in.
ArnoldTohtFan My great-grandparents left Russia for a reason, buddy, and I can assure you it wasn't for any grand conspiracy payouts. They were poor as fuck and made coats for a living and were sick of the fucking pogroms.
Yeah, Star Wars never ever gives it's male villains sympathetic back-stories. Certainly not to the the extent of making three bloody movies about their main male villain. Or ending the original trilogy by having the main male villain save the hero and then join the dead good guys in Jedi heaven or whatever that was.
So you felt sympathy after seeing the Clone Wars? Also, Vader didn't have a sympathetic backstory, he really didn't have much of one at all. Plus, the three films that had Anakin in it, was telling the events of what happened before the original Trilogy. It wasn't solely about Anakin, especially since the Phantom Menace barely had Annie in it, and when he was, didn't understand the events going on around him. So actually its two films that have a villain's beginning, but wasn't solely about the that villain or making him sympathetic.
***** It's pretty obvious that Lucas was trying to make Anakin sympathetic. If he didn't succeed, it's not for lack of trying. I'm not sure what "solely" has to do with anything. VII isn't "solely" about anything either.
The Smoking Dog You didn't feel sympathy for Anakin after the prequels? The prequels is the story of how Anakin was failed by his master and the ignorant Jedi-Order which made him easy pray for the emperor. Of course he has to own up to his decisions, but if you go back to the movies and put a little more thought into it, you can see that Anakin is correct in his criticism of the Jedi-Order. They are a ignorant, self-serving and blind organisation. All of them failed Anakin and made him easy pray for the emperor. Anyone who is interested in more constructive "reviews" of movies you should check out "CinemaWins", the ones on Star Wars are very interesting.
Interesting how he assumes all the stormtroopers are “boys” when we’ve seen Phasma. Or that female villains always have sympathetic backstories shown on screen, or that female characters are all invincible when we’ve... seen Phasma.
@Dumbo Octopus Apparently she originally got called out for being a traitor, then she guns down the men that were starting to question her like a badass because she can't look bad in front of her army. It would've been really cool to have that as her actual ending.
i mean , yeah , since blasters seem to have little recoil , and they, the storm trooper , don't have to carry their equipment , taking females would be make sense as a choice , afther you consider that they wear concealing armor and are trained and brainwashed , so yeah peraps the stormtrooper demografic might even be 50/50
Fun fact: There was a Captain Phasma origin story book. She was depicted as an outright terrible, fratricidal, human being with no redeeming qualities. Deliberate efforts were made to turn her from a faceless neutral evil in the movies to an actual villainous character.
And, since he mentioned maleficent and 'non brutal deaths' in the same sentence...poppycock, the lady got stabbed with a goddamn sword after turning into a massive black dragon, if that isn't brutal I dunno what is. I assume he was talking about the more recent movie in that little tangent, but still
I feel really, REALLY bad for this dude's daughter. If this is the shit he tells her and how he thinks of women and how much he controls what media she consumes lest she thinks having adventures is realistic or cool, she must have a pretty shitty life with him.
dunno if it's been mentioned but a point he ignored and you didn't pick up in this video either is when he is talking about villains he completely ignores Captain Phasma, who is female, she has no sympathetic backstory or arc, she's just evil and that's all we know, and she's also remarkably useless really, doing very little and giving up super fast at the end buuutttt i guess none of that fits his narrative
@@gratuitouslurking8610 I very much loved that she was this enigmatic mystery person with a striking costume, who clearly could've had a bigger role in the story if it wasn't cut short. That's what Star Wars did great with all those original bounty hunter and anonymous prequel Jedi characters, and in the sequel trilogy they did a lot of that with all the villain characters; suggest that any one of these space LARPers could've had a film trilogy all their own, to downplay the main character's uniqueness.
It is so hard to watch Steffan talking. His gestures, facial expressions, tone, unbearable "sarcasm" every other sentence and casual dropping of stuff like "complete denial of egg-accesability" makes him so unpleasant to listen to. Can't imagine how you can voluntarily subject yourself to his videos.
There's no other way to say it : he has reached maximum punchability. Everything from the shape of his face to the littlest ways of emoting of this man have converged towards attracting clenched fists at full speed.
*Shaun:* "Nobody wants to see Luke farm all day" *Me:* "Which is why we cheer for him to, uh... wield a lightsaber, and we go so crazy when he destroys the Death Star. We *WANT* him to live the adventurous life he dreams of!"
This may sound silly, but I really appreciate you noting Luke refusing to kill Vader. Obviously everyone knows that happened, but no one ever seems to talk about how great it is that Luke's ultimate victory is to choose the route of empathy and non-violence over revenge and hate. It's by far my favorite moment in all three Star Wars movies.
@Caleb If by “mirrored” you mean “utterly ruined” then yes. Luke would never try to kill his nephew after VI, because that was the whole point of his character development.
@@user-br8jc8tf1p also the film's climax, where luke saves the rebellion, defeats kylo ren, displays the greatest mastery of the force ever shown all without taking any aggressive action. It is literally the perfect jedi moment.
"A young Luke Skywalker was expected to work productively on his uncle's farm *sarcastic gasp*" Yeah, can you imagine having hopes and dreams that aren't "work your entire life on your family's business and never achieve more than that"?
Of course I'm so blind, it was there all along! The one true way to become an Ubermensch is from moisture farming! - Nietzsche 1900, five seconds before death
Only if you're a cult leader who lives off of donations from your followers. It's cool when stephan's a freeloader, but if other people try to be happy the normal way it's wroooong.
Luke should have made UA-cam videos pandering to hateful bigots for money then Moly would have respected him. Or at least wouldn't have criticized him not wanting a different life.
Plus staying home to work on the farm while the war rages is traditionally seen as a female role, not a male one. There's lots of female symbolism in that whole mother earth concept, dirt and caves are seen as wombs in a lot of cultures, etc. Comparing Luke to that sort of thing positively and then being mad about "feminine symbolism" "emasculating" men in TFA seems... inconsistent... on his part.
Right? He said that and I was like "ope forgot I'm not allowed to be remotely well-adjusted because I have TRAUMA" like honestly how are there people that take this guy seriously
I started shaking when he said that... my wordt fear is that i will be like my childhood abuser. i would do ANYTHING to protect others from being abused
One of the more dishinged things Stefan says here (there's a lot) is the single, nonsensical example of Maleficent as his sole example of a female villain with a sympathetic backstory. Yes, Maleficent received a critical examination as a female character in the 2014 movie bearing her name. BUT....she was created 55 years earlier as a petty witch who cursed an entire nation because she got snubbed an invite to a baby shower. She literally declares herself the "mistress of all evil" before turning into a giant dragon. She is maybe the most unsympathetic female villain ever, if you ignore Lady Tremaine and her daughters (Cinderella), Madam Mim (The Sword in the Stone), Cruella de Vil (One Hundred and One Dalmatians) and Madame Medusa (The Rescuers). And that's just the examples I could think of from animated Disney movies from the same era. If I wanted to be extra petty myself, I could talk about the sympathetic portrayals given to Captain Hook (Peter Pan) Shere Khan (The Jungle Book) and Prince John (Robin Hood), same studio, same era, but I don't need to. The point is he is cherry-picking like crazy, choosing examples that fit his myopic worldview, even when it doesn't make sense. He goes for the one example he could even remember from the past five years, a villain who gets her own "my side of the story" movie, and ignores the female villain IN THE MOVIE HE IS TALKING ABOUT. Poor Captain Phasma, undeveloped, easily defeated, and tossed aside off-screen into the trash compactor. Why, it's almost as if her gender played no role in her characterization and treatment. Weird that.
Bringing up Disney really demolishes Molyneux's argument. Walt was so right-wing that he fired employees just for having pro-union sympathies, and so many of his films depict REALLY dysfunctional families. Snow White, Pinocchio, Dumbo, Bambi, and countless more were raised in single-parent households. Peter Pan and the Lost Boys were not raised by parents at all! THE LITTLE MERMAID and BEAUTY AND THE BEAST depict interspecies relationships. POCAHONTAS has the heroine outright defying her father and nearly getting him killed in the process. And Mulan certainly doesn't abide by the morays of the traditional nuclear family (well, at least not at first). The reason, of course, is simple: if you put child characters into stable nuclear families, you don't have an adventure; you just have a sitcom.
@@SeasideDetective2 I think that it's a bit of a stretch to say that Beauty and the Beast depicts an interspecies relationship considering that the Beast was a person who was turned into a beast, and he's still fully conscious and able to speak on a human level.
@@gothboithick Nah, I’m with the other user. The Beast is a human person who is under a(n ultimately) temporary spell that forces him to take the form of an animal. He has the sentience of a person and Belle falls in love with the Beast’s humanity, personality, and kindness-i.e. who he is as a person. Furthermore, there is no physical intimacy between Belle and the Beast when he’s in his animal form.
I love how his whole rant at the end there, about male representations in movies (being killed more, being villains more often, suffering more brutal deaths) .. is actually a feminist issue. A feminist would point out the same thing, and argue for more equality between the sexes in these representation. Female characters *should* be more often the villain, they shouldn't have to be toned down with a sympathetic backstory or a gentle death etc. It's basically the same mistake as "anti-feminists" complaining about suicide rates, custody cases and all that. Those are all feminist issues too.
@@leifstennes9822 - Except that they don't. Maybe try talking to actual feminists, or at least learn and read a bit about the theory, instead of just watching alt-right youtubers react to fake outrage content. You'd have a better grasp of reality. The reason why men _lose_ custody cases is because of patriarchal notions that women are supposed to stay at home and take care of the children. The reason why men have higher suicide rates is because a patriarchal society puts all the pressure on them AND toxic masculinity prevents men from having the same emotional support structure as women. ^ All those issues are *_feminist_* issues. They're two sides of the same coin. No feminist is going to "scream" at you for being concerned over those issues. The problem with a lot of MRAs is that they use those issues as an excuse to oppress women MORE.
It's because anti-feminists don't actually care about suicide rates, combat fatalities, or any of the rest of it. It's just a convenient weapon to use against women they don't like due to mommy issues or whatever.
"some fictional women in movies can beat the crap out of men, that means that women in real life don't suffer any violence at all". Its like he doesn't understand what the word fantasy means.
It's also not anymore unrealistic than when male action heroes in movies are basically portrayed as one-man armies, given how in real life most men would not be able to take on 10+ people at a time in a fight without at the very least slightly getting the shit beaten out of them in the process.
We all have our shames about our parents... But it must be really bad for her since her dad is semi known lol. She can only hope that people turn their attention away from hating her for being related to him to someone else who's simply more distracting lol. ua-cam.com/video/aot9dB28cXo/v-deo.html
Ironically, there _is_ a fantastic pilot in the movie... *His name is Poe.* OTL I'm not sure Stefan actually watched.... not even just this movie, but _any_ of the Star Wars movies.
And like, half of his other asks are answered by Phasma. "None of the stormtroopers are female!" Uhh, Phasma. Female villain without a sympathetic backstory? Check. Female characters are all invincible? Ya, nope.
This always bothers me... Rey makes a living taking apart space ships to get the valuable parts. If you know how to get the valuable parts out of a space ship, IT MEANS YOU HAVE A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT WORKS AND WHY. SO OF COURSE SHE KNOWS A BIT ABOUT STARSHIP MAINTENANCE.
Aaand, Han was separated from his ship for an unknown period of time while its many proprietors made modifications to it, which explains why he isn't familiar with the new systems. Rey, on the other hand, has lived most of her life on Jakku and for all we know, the Falcon might have been there the entire time, giving her opportunities to explore it, tweak around in its systems and know about the compressor. Two important bits of information that are delivered through mise-en-scène and/or dialogue and that Stefan completely failed to pick up. *slow clap*
That Rey lives on salvaging valuable parts implies that she knows *which parts are valuable*, which in turn implies that she knows all that other stuff.
@@gdpacnw5126 Exactly. You can't make a living selling used car parts unless you know what each does, where it goes, when people need it and when they don't. Sure that doesn't mean you could build an engine from scratch but you'll have to pick up a lot of mechanical principles just to know what to charge for things.
That's what I was thinking as well. Rey literally takes apart space ships to make a living, if she didn't know how to fix it she would be really terrible at her job because being a user automobile part salesperson who sells broken parts is a good way to not have any customers.
@@gdpacnw5126the way I took it was think of scrapping car parts for money... You know which are the most valuable for market and scrap what seems to be the most valuable not thinking about what it does just how to remove it and what it's worth... Now normally you would need to know what it does if you're selling it to a buyer but she's not... She gives it to the shop owner for portions of food and that's it... So by that logic she wouldn't know how to fix stuff like that.... (Maybe make the individual parts more clean) For even if I was a tradie and worked with taking apart different things I still wouldn't know how to build them unless I had built many things similar and then experimented to find it out through trial and error.... DEFINITELY NOT being able to do it first try (I can take apart and put a fridge together but that doesn't mean I can rebuild a broken air conditioning unit... Especially not seemingly instantly)
Oh yes Harry Potter, that teen with no effects of childhood trauma. Harry "blames himself for everything that goes wrong" Potter. Harry "fundamentally opposed to telling adults his problems" Potter. That well-adjusted boy.
He is frequently responsible for the problems he blames himself for, which is realistic because I'm sure everyone knows or is a person who's trapped in a spiral of fucking things up, feeling awful about it, and fucking more things up.
If Harry was an actual example of the kind of extreme neglect and abuse he went through he would have more than DEPRESSION. He'd probably be extremely emotionally disconnected or aggressive, borderline nonfunctional at times, and have attempted suicide more than once. I hate to agree with Stefan, but I don't think you have any understanding of what prolonged and severe abuse does to a child.
@@kelsierh275 I disagree while I dislike J.K Rowling, I think she did a pretty good job writing Harry and his battle with trauma, while he doesn't have depression or at least I don't think he does, he obviously has severe PTSD
The thing I don't get is the fact that he goes on and on about male vs female villains, when, as you mentioned, Kylo Ren has a fairly sympathetic backstory. The Force Awakens HAS a female villain, Captain Phasma, who gets zero backstory, "dies" pretty handily at the hands of the heroes, and is purely there as an unsympathetic villain. Seriously, of all the movies he could use to make this point, TFA is the wrong one. Also, thank you so much for this video, it's incredibly cathartic as someone that pretty compulsively defends Rey against accusations of being a Mary Sue. Since all of her skills make complete sense with her backstory (she can defend herself? She's been living alone on Jakku for YEARS. She knows ships and what ship parts do? She only eats when she can get the most valuable parts, she's going to know what they do) it's kind of perplexing. She's a movie protagonist, most protagonists in fantasy or action films have some level of competence, otherwise the plot would go nowhere.
Phasma was kinda disappointing though. I was expecting more from her. Instead she was just something shiny chrome to look at. I hope she does more in 8.
+Smoked Wees you know, that was my main grip, and it made me feel Rey was overcompetent in all things to fit my narrative of excess. Then I slowly came to realize her force manifestations were actually my problem, not just "everything" about her. Well, that and the fact that I didn't find her to be much of an engaging character, but hey, to each their own. Mind control has always been portrayed as a complex Jedi skill, unlike nascent precognition or the ocasional involuntary telekinesis. That makes the scene where Rey mind controls someone kinda jarring, even if the idea may be that she's actually astoundingly strong with the Force... Also, since I hoped they wouldnt rely on the "protagonist is among the most gifted force users ever" trope again for this trilogy, I would still find that rather disappointing.
My thought was that she was really good at it. Like, mind tricks were the *thing* she was good at, Force-wise. Plus, she did learn from Kylo after his, you know... mind-rape session.
TheSeptet, if it actually turns out that you're right about mind tricks being her thing, that's actually pretty standard for superpowered females in fantasy - the guys always get the more physical magic powers whereas the girls tend to be stuck with more mental and person-oriented stuff like telepathy or mind control. So it's even more ridiculous to have all these MRA/alt-whatever people complaining about them being feminist mangina power fantasies or whatever.
"...denial of egg accessibility..." If there is anything that makes Molyneux's views on women transparent, and why his audience is drawn to him, it is this. You are doing good hard work in deconstructing this worldview, and have given others a framework to do the same. You, Contrapoints, Philosophy Tube, hbomberguy and others who have stepped up to thoughtfully give rebuttal to reactionaries and bigots are heroes of our generation, even though what you do seems so mundane. Thank you so much for what you do.
@@ombelle5284 Clearly you haven't seen enough Stefan Molyneux, that dude is obsessed with eggs to the point where even most hardcore misogynists like him seem reasonable on the matter. His thing with Taylor Swift's eggs was mindblowing for me, utterly baffling how this dude even exists.
@@TayTayMakesBeats Stefan is goofy and corny af. After he filmed that video, he definitely jerked it while thinking about making Rey watch him penetrate the Death Star egg. And as he climaxed, he cried, “War-nography!” I can’t believe he has a daughter. I hope she survives him and manages to become a kind, empathetic person in spite of her dad, who is a hokey, bitter man.
Stephan mention a daughter. Dear Christ, was he just saying that or does he actually have one and can I have her e-mail so we can work out an escape plan?
Oh man......I really hope that that kid grows up with good, positive role models in her school life etc. so that she is happy because Stefan's parenting (if you want to call it that) would probably leave that poor kid without any self-esteem or self-worth.
Yeah, in all fairness the clone assertion is a massive mistake as are literally all the assertion about Fins characteristics. The commentator of this video is head and shoulders above Steffan
Why does Stefan so often assume (fictional) men are "trained from birth/childhood" or for years/decades or are masters at whatever they do, when this hasn't been stated or implied? That's.... really weird?
Well, to be fair, the stormtroopers in TFA were stolen as children and raised to be soldiers. But I agree that just because of that, doesn’t mean you can’t get killed. I mean, I could be a CIA/KGB trained ultra masculine ubermensch, that doesn’t mean I can’t get domed by a toddler fucking around with a handgun.
yeah the part where he says he's "mindlessly horny" (haven't seen the movie so i don't know how accurate this is under any lens) for "obvious reasons" definitely sounds like, to him, those "reasons" are that he's Black
Given that Stefan later decided to become an explicit white supremacist (ostensibly because he enjoyed his holiday to Poland so much), I'd say you're right. He's a prime example of the MRA-to-Nazi pipeline
@Luís Andrade Um, didn't Stefan literally say that he had become sympathetic to white supremacy/white nationalism after visiting Poland? There's a clip of him saying it in Shaun's video about Steven Crowder and the definition of white supremacy. He literally said it himself, on video. Not to mention him being friends with Jared Taylor, a prominent and active white supremacist and editor of a white supremacist publication. If it quacks like a duck, etc. And if you're going to split hairs about whether a given white supremacist is technically a Nazi, all you're doing is enabling Nazis. My point about the pipeline is that Stefan seems to have started out as a libertarian with a misogynist streak, and has got steadily deeper into the far right. There is an MRA-to-Nazi pipeline - the far right loves to recruit angry men who have a problem with women. I'm not saying that every misogynist is a Nazi - I'm saying that the online far right uses misogyny to suck people in.
@Luís Andrade Ah, a Nazi hairsplitting about what technically counts as Nazism. Very funny. And I'm a people of European descent, and can confirm that we are a bunch of assholes.
"how can women who beat up men twice their size, also live in a world where rape culture and patriarchy are things" Does stefan Molyneux not realise that film is fictional
It doesn't even matter, because even war veterans can get shot and trained fighters can be assaulted. Even people who are experts at combat can't be expected to account for every scenario in which their life or bodily autonomy is threatened, let alone the average person. Being trained or strong doesn't make you invincible.
Actually, what's interesting is, I read somewhere an analysis of Rey's fighting style which goes into detail of how she clearly fights as though she learned how to use a staff but not a sword, which fits well into the history of the character.
Sorry for the 2 years later reply, but Stefan's mannerisms and opinions are almost exactly the same as my coworker, that I eventually had to kick out of my team... I just needed to rant.
@@noh-1386 you have the patience of a saint, if I knew Stephen Molyneux, then Stephen Molyneux would be toothless and bleeding by the side of the road.
Wow, a fantasy character who has super powers. Never saw that before. Homer’s Ulysses or Achilles had totally ordinary heroes. Or Beowulf ripping off monsters arms and drowning their monsters in a deep lake. Killing dragons. King Arthur was one of 2 survivors in a battle of half a million people. What a Gary Stew!
@@washada Hmm. Possibly. I don't know the origin of that part of mythology: Achilles mother bathed him in the river of the underworld, hardening his skin to be impenetrable. Leaving a small patch that was covered by a leave. => My prior comment
So, Rey, a character that grew up on her own since she was very young, having developed several survival skills and talents is somehow a Mary Sue, but I bet Stefan would never call Tarzan a Barry Sue despite that being literaly the same thing that happened to him and made him the king of the jungle.
Nah, I disagree with Stefan on basically everything down to the word but Rey definitely is a Mary Sue. Of course there are tons of Barry Stus in media but when it comes to Rey and quite a few other female protags in Hollywood like Captain Marvel there is a very clear trend of a super hollow and forced kind of superficial empowerment. Liberal/corporate/media progressivism is kinda trash, it projects the aesthetic of progress without much deeper behind it. Rey as a character is unbelievably dull and is almost immediately not only good at but better than anyone else at a whole range of things that extend far beyond her upbringing. Of course all of this is a writing issue, I'm sure Daisy Ridley would have done a great job with better material but my issue is with why she was written the way she was. My point is that especially around the time the sequels were released Hollywood was using the veneer of progressivism for attention, media praise and as a shield from criticism. It's also really easy to write a Mary Sue or Marty Stu, the difference being that Marty Stus aren't used to pass off bad art as something socially important. Big budget Hollywood movies will never make anything resembling a deep critique of patriarchy, capitalism, the social construct of race or gender or whatever. They use the "strong female lead" trope, diverse casting and general social justice issues in a pretty hamfisted way for their own gain. For example Black Panther is by all means a pretty mediocre movie. Thematically inconsistent, poor writing, boiler plate cinematography, some of the CG looks like something off a PS3 game or Sam Raimi's Spiderman movies and yet it's near the top of the top 10 highest rated (by critics) movies on Rotten Tomatoes. It was cool to see an almost all black cast in something that isn't about slavery but does that make it a great or even good movie? Of course not, yet it was treated like it is because of its progressive elements. Same goes for a lot of "strong female leads," they're made to be superficially empowering at the expense of them being actual fleshed out characters because that's what makes money. There are failures like the abysmal Ghostbusters remake but that was so blatant and poorly executed that nobody in their right mind would say it's not a dumpster fire. Otherwise surface level wokeness is the name of the game because it works. You can call all of your critics bigots because half of them are, it's a built in self-propelled defense mechanism that makes reasonable people have to argue against people like Stefan or the Quartering for bad or mediocre art. Super cynical, makes genuinely good progressive causes look bad because Hollywood elites don't tend to understand what they project their values to be.
@FilthyDankWastemanFabuless Aye I know I rambled a lot back there but I'm definitely right. I think it would be more accurate to say that Rey is an exceptionally poorly written character and a noticeable part of that is how the "strong, independent woman" trope replaces actual personality or character. I doubt that the writers and producers understood or even cared about feminism, I think it's purely based on money, attention and praise/defense by (overwhelmingly liberal) media outlets.
I mean she kinda is. She picks up a lightsaber for the first time and is able to duel with someone who has trained since he was a child. Same thing with Finn using a lightsaber. There's other examples and star wars has Gary sue characters too that people don't critize nearly as much as Rey but you say she's not a Mary Sue is just kinda dishonest. The sequels are just poorly written and written to pander to what old executives think the kids these days like instead of telling a good story with well written characters
@@Comuniity_ But you do agree that it's not just Rey right? Stefan still has no fucking point in his interpretation of this movie as "anti-male sexism" or something.
... "the death star blowing up sequence is actually about insemination" good lord that might be the most reaching statement I have ever heard, and I have heard Alex Jones speak.
That was the first thing my young impressionable mind thought when my weak victim mother and my strong protector father let me watch it. XD dude is unhinged
I was kind of following his thinking through the whole video i.e. 'i understand why he, coming from this worldview, interpreted it like that' but then that happened and my jaw hit the floor... like, what the fuck?
@@morallyconflictedtortoise6494 - He has a conclusion he wants to reach, and the movie doesn't _actually_ support any of it, so massive logical leaps have to be made for him to reach his stupid predetermined conclusion. And this is the result.
@@overgrownkudzu Well I guess with Rey included we still only have two in the Star Wars movies. Hint: it is not the one in the bad trilogy. Edit: Three if we count Rogue One and about thousands if we skip the protagonist part and the "Movies part" and just delve into "awesome female characters in star wars". The star wars setting literally has some of the most famous, strong females in Sci-Fi and it is a shame to see Rey not being one of them.
Well you see that would take at the very least decent researching and arguing skills which he clearly didn’t have since he wouldn’t have made that dumb video of his in the first place
I get the feeling he's sargons dad or something. Wonder if Sargon will look that good when h'es 80 lol. Nahhh... I'm sure he will continue to look like the poster child for the frog men because he is one lol.
Well, he says he was raised as a latchkey kid by an abusive single mom who dated a lot of men in dead-end relationships, started on welfare then became a career woman. Sounds like Jack the Ripper's psychological profile!
I like the part where he claims male villains are never given a sympathetic backstory, completely ignoring Kylo Ren and *DARTH FREAKIN' VADER!!* Then when he has to mention a sympathetic female villain, he has to reach from outside the franchise entirely for _Maleficent_ of all things.
Oh and by the way, Luke was not expected to work on his uncle's farm for his entire life. Luke was schedule to go to the imperial academy to become a pilot like his friends were doing. His uncle postponed his departure by a season because he needed his help on the farm.
I might not have played Macbeth (the fuck?) but I did practice Japanese swordfighting for years, kenjutsu, and I remember watching this movie with one of my fellow practitioners… We ended up enjoying the fight very much. Kylo fought very much like a tired and injured well versed person, and Rey and Finn fought very much like a scared newbie trying mostly to keep their opponent's sword away from their face. I remember distinctly this one time I went out drinking just 3 days before the regional tournament, and I had an accident when I was going to take the bus back home; I tripped over nothing and fell down in the asphalt; I held myself up with my right hand, and the asphalt pretty much took off the skin of that hand's entire palm. To this day I have a slightly darker skin tone in the palm of that hand, a good reminder to never again mix Tequilla with Whiskey. 3 days later, I was fighting in the tournament. My hand hadn't had any time to heal and I was just glad it was the right one instead of the left, which is more important in creating leverage and force for kenjutsu. I fought that tournament the best I could and let me tell you: it was _nothing_ like my usual best used to be. I couldn't even bring myself to use any stance which included holding the sword over my head, because doing that put more tension in my right hand and it hurt like hell... Cut to two years later, and I am sick during the local fight day; this wasn't a tournament, just a day where everyone would pair up with everyone to fight, almost a normal training day but with much more fighting and less drilling than usual; my pressure begins to drop around the 3rd fight. I was fighting a new kid who had just joined two months ago, and my god, he manhandled me. He was lighter than me but I could barely parry him away, and I only managed to win because he got cocky and tried to hit me in the hands from too far away, get stabbed in the neck son that's what you get... But if he hadn't been confident and instead had just kept defending? I would have ran myself dry in just a few more seconds, that was my last fight and I literally fainted a short while later when I sat down. Yeah a newbie versus a trained person ain't fair... But a newbie versus a trained person who just got blasted in the guts with a shotgun? I know where my money's at.
I'll say this: If I had a choice between going to war and trying to decipher the fever dream that is any given Stefan Molyneux video, I would willingly step on a fucking landmine.
@@techissus7449 Rey's whole thing was her mysterious backstory, if they wanted to create a good backstory answer that makes sense and people can guess would be the case then there SHOULD be hints, there were genuine hints in Empire Strikes Back that Vader was Luke's dad before the official reveal, there was NOTHING hinting that Rey was Palpatine's grand daughter or that Palpatine's clone son and wife left her there.
@@Jdudec367 ok but what does that have to do with predicting the future? I can say the world will spontaneously spur into dance and people will doodoo fart and le epic pranks everywhere and if it comes true that's prophetic, it doesn't require me to see proceeding events without prophecy
@@hewhoadds - He was really getting off track and trying _real_ hard to give some kind of hitler speech at the end there. Like, the fuck man, dump some cold water over your head or something and calm the fuck down.
@@bluefacestan1826 Stefan: I know Darth Vader he's the guy in the big dark helmet, he kidnaps the Princess Vespa after his planet began running out of oxygen.
JackGraham999 why would you say it is implausible that girls are good at stuff? Are you infering that only men are good at stuff? Did I misunderstand you?
I don't know what bothers me more. That Stephan Molyneux thinks the Death Star trench run was some sort of bizarre sperm metaphor, or that this man somehow has over half a million people subscribed to him on UA-cam.
Fake ID I once had an argument with a person who said this - "Stephan is a master storyteller like Orson Wells". I'm not kidding, unfortunately I'm not.
Eh, I have to agree with Stephan on this one point, mainly cause he's not the first to notice it. I don't necessarily think it was intentional, but at the very least it carries as much water as the interpretation that Hamlet is gay. The imagery is definitely there, the movie a coming of age story for Luke (and many men have that sort of coming of age feeling about losing their virginity, especially the ones that haven't), and to top it off the sequence comes at the "climax" of the film.
Lol he completely misunderstands the Bechdel test. The point of the Bechdel test is to prove that there is a general under-representation of women in film, not to label any particular film as sexist.
Oh it's so many topics he touches on. Apparently it's because of taxes that he's not a billionaire. Right. It's a pity, because i think men need spokespeople for their issues today just as much as women do, as commonly accepted feminist rhetoric, besides sometimes being right and helpful, also sometimes ends up doing actual harm to society, so it does need to be challenged. But they got THIS GUY. This raving lunatic. I think that whenever he's right, he's only accidentally right, which IMO no better than being wrong.
Siana Gearz The thing is, the commonly accepted parts of the Men's Rights movement that most agree on, such as Men being treated unfairly in custody battles, is a direct result of traditional gender stereotypes, which feminism seeks to remove. As a result, the MRA are denouncing the best path towards better treatment for men, just because they don't want women to be treated better too, or at the very least are so partisan and short-sighted that they can't see it.
halokon, And feminist movement isn't short sighted and partisan? It redefines Patriarchy - which originally just means naming of children after fathers - into an all encompassing system where men oppress women. The movement completely defines itself in terms of this framework of oppression. This likely isn't entirely the truth - after all, how do you oppress the larger half of the society? In my view it's more likely, that the traditional strongly roled society is a result of a social contract, where men gained nominal/decisive power and women gained protection, a balance in which under harsh living circumstances, both sexes were the most content, and the society as a whole was the most functional. Due to changes in the nature of work and society, predominantly due to process of industrialisation, this social contract became obsolete, and feminist movement was necessary and inevitable. However, because it defines the start condition as is-condition, it lacks the termination condition. In feminist's view, the women are always oppressed, and no matter how many changes you implement, it's never enough, and never too much. From which, sometimes nonsensical policies follow such as where employers and educational institutions have been lead to loosen performance requirements of women or provide monetary incentives, so you see now an ingress of women in technical and scientific professions who do not have a sufficient innate interest or talent for the field. Is leading women to discover different innate interests that are not driven by traditional norms not a great goal? It certainly is, because we need more and better individuals in these fields as society as a whole, as it's our developmental way forward, inevitably in post-industrial society, but better means need to be found. Similarly, various statistics frequently quoted by feminists regarding rape, regarding pay equality, are heavily selective and skewed and lack a certain detail and finesse which would enable level headed discussion. So we never defined a new cohesive social structure that would completely account for the circumstances, and i think we never will just as long as we use feminism as the framework. The progress of feminist movement should enable us now to re-formulate the social structure question from the humanist perspective, to maximise the value for individuals no matter the sex and society as a whole. I'm afraid this is not going to happen until feminism experiences a countermovement such as MRM, which is in its current shape not fit for purpose.
Reminds me of hbomberguy's response to Davis Aurini's Star Wars critique. Davis: The only reason he nuts up and fights Not Darth Vader is because he got the scent of Feminist Skywalker's White Pussy into his nose. hbomberguy: ...............They must have cut that part out for the version screened in the UK.
"This is not art, this is warnography" said without any hint of irony has to be my favourite "stupid people thinking they are smart" moment. It's astonishing how much idiocy fits into one sentence.
Stefan is one of the goofiest, corniest, and cringiest members of the manosphere. The expression on his face after he said “war-nography” was nauseating. I actually said out loud, “Gross.” That cornball thought his BS was absolute gold. Later, he probably jerked off to his “brilliance” while trying desperately not to think of how badly he wants to make Rey watch him penetrate the Death Star egg.
This is usually where I would launch into a long rant about the term "Mary Sue" and how goddamned nobody uses it correctly because they don't know what it actually means, but this was over-all a good analysis of the movie with some brilliant rebuttals of the ravings of a crazy person, so I don't feel like calling you out on that one issue because I think you still meant well. Instead, let me just point one thing out: The whole thing about Rey suddenly becoming miraculously good at using a lightsaber once she starts using the Force? That's _how the Force works._ It is literally the first real thing we learn about the Force, in regards to its mechanics, way back in the first movie. In A New Hope, while Luke is having his first lesson, Obi-Wan pretty much spells it out. Luke asks "Does the Force control your actions?" and Obi-Wan replied: "Yes, but it also obeys your commands." That is to say, the Force actively guides you while still accounting for whatever it is you want to achieve. He then demonstrates this principle in practice by having Luke do it blindfolded, because Luke's sight is just distracting him from sensing the guidance of the Force. This is the entire reason Jedi can block blaster bolts: The force actually tells them where the saber needs to go, and all the Jedi has to do is trust in it. Jedi do not actually _need_ to practice combat moves with their sabers. Oh, I'm sure it helps, but it's not the important part. Lightsaber combat is, if anything, more of a meditative spiritual thing. Which, you know, explains why we never once see Yoda train Luke in using the saber - or why we don't see Luke train with the saber at all, for that matter - even though he's later capable of taking on the far more experienced Vader with a fair amount of competency. It's because the physical skill is kinda unimportant compared to having a strong connection to the Force and the faith and courage to trust in it. EDIT: Oh, and thanks for pointing out just how messed up Kylo was in the final fight. I would like to add: Right after he beats Finn, he tried to levitate the lightsaber off the ground but fails. This is a guy who can stop a blaster bolt in mid air and hold it there for like a minute, yet at that point in the movie he can't even pull off something as trivial as lifting a flashlight-sized object. They _really_ went out of their way to signal that the guy was in a very, very bad shape and I'm amazed so many people still seem to have failed to notice it.
Star Wars assholes are gonna give me a fucking heart attack one of these days. The movie goes out of its way, multiple times, to show that Kylo Ren is incredibly injured. He’s bleeding out from getting shot by a weapon that the movie goes out of its way to show that it’s extremely powerful. During his fight with Finn, he’s basically playing with him, gets injured cuz he’s fucking around, then immediately dismantled him. Then the lightsaber part that you mentioned, but even then, he stills dominates the fight completely, even going so far as to explain that HE’S NOT ACTUALLY TRYING TO KILL HER. What do these people want? You don’t have to like the movie, obviously, but dislike it for reasons other than bullshit you had to completely clip outta context to get it to fit into whatever view you want. Criticize the acting, the special effects, the cinematography, the story, the characters, like the rest of us normal people. My dad likes TFA, but his enjoyment of the movie is impacted by the fact that it is very similar to A New Hope. That’s something you can do. Personally, I don’t really mind because I’m a Star Wars shill, but seriously, these people need to get a grip.
Sean Locke not only that he uses his saber as a claymore, big heavy slow swings, Rey uses hers essentially as a staff even miscalculation of the reach at the start mostly getting jabs and quick “whacks” in (like in the scene she fights with the staff)
Been watching too many outraged videos about The Last Jedi, and one particularly egregious “I'm not sexist or racist, but...” person asked people who liked the film to swap all the sexes of the characters and see if feminists still like it then, as if it was some genius 'gotcha!' question to silence SJW's. I thought about it, and swapping the sexes would be bloody fantastic. That would mean the movie would have a majority of women who frequently interact with each other. Also multiple female villains, a hotshot female pilot as a lead, a wise female Jedi master...yes please. It's exactly what I want. Don't think he'd thought that one through (what a shock). The main result of swapping all the sexes of the characters will of course be that all the blatantly sexist comments about Rey being a too-powerful super competent Mary Sue will instantly disappear, not even occurring to anyone. In fact, if Rey was a boy who did everything exactly the same as Rey played by Daisy Ridley, not only would there obviously be no Mary Sue bullshit, the same outraged fanboys would probably complain that he was too weak. I see Stefan has put out his Last Jedi video. I wonder in any of it will be in a human language.
"a wise female Jedi master...yes please. It's exactly what I want:" I really want Ahsoka Tano to return in Episode 9 (Even if she would be >70 years old at this point).
@@mattbounds She's also a Jedi, and I'm perfectly willing to believe the that magical space wizards age more slowly. So Ashoka appearance in the future? Yes please.
I think the reason why family life is portrayed as mundane, and humiliating is because it's through Luke's perspective. Kids tend to not really like family life in their early lives and in their teenage years, especially not when they have to work on a farm.
That's a surface reason, but you do have to dig into the authorial reasoning as well. After all, we could easily have rearranged those scenes from another character's perspective, or from a 3rd-person neutral one. Shaun is right, in that it's a deliberate narrative contrivance; Lucas is obsessed with the monomyth, and tries to use it as a roadmap in everything he does.
"Why don't they show the effects of childhood neglect, trauma, etc.?" *has a character who hasn't coped with said abuses* "Man this character needs to man up! Get over it!"
Isn't the point of the original Star Wars trilogy that Luke's abandoning of his Aunt and Uncle leads him to finding his true family's lineage, as he tacitly admits he wants to follow in his father's footsteps, and is then confronted with revelations pertaining to such a goal until, finally, he is able to embrace his destiny as laid out by his family's heritage - at terrible personal cost? Even Force Awakens could be read as pro-family, considering Kylo Ren's rejecting his parentage is what leads him down a path of evil, seemingly securing his own ruination. It's ridiculous. He totally didn't watch the movie, huh.
I say as both an audio engineer (as in, an engineer by trade) and a Star Wars fan, you've explained this impeccably. For example, of course Rey would know and identify parts as a scrapper. Think of how boring, dangerous a planet must be Jakku. Her whole life is survival, and eating, and to eat she needs to identify parts from old imperial vehicles and the like. Molyneux's confirmation bias is showing, and it's pathetic.
He seems to have a low-key hatred of his parents, too... he would definitely benefit from psychiatric therapy of some kind... he'd be there for years too, so really great for the economy.
I think Moly missed the part where they made three whole additional movies just to give the male villain of the first three a tragic backstory to justify his villainy and set the stage for his eventual redemption.
Also as a kid with trauma it's nice to have characters like me who overcome their difficulty and succeed. And have hope.....I didn't need my fantasy books to tell me I'm destined to be a loser with crippling mental problems....I have all of society for that lol.
That's Hamlet, not Macbeth. Macbeth is the one with the murdery wife. “Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!” etc. EDIT: My apologies, for some reason I thought you were paraphrasing the graveyard scene from Hamlet-the skull, not the dagger.
I can imagine, Molyneaux, on the stage, Lady Macbeth trying to convince him to murder, and then he starts monologuing about how this is typical female behavior and they should never have been given any rights at all. And then instead of murder he just blinks emphatically.
Someone please rewrite MacBeth with Stephan Molineaux as the main character! Of course, Lady M wouldn't get much of a soliloquy before he happens onto the scene to start his own. "ACTUALLY..."
peccantis or any Shakespeare Romeo and Juliet, what light through yonder window breaks it is the east and Juliet is a feminist conspiracy to immaculate men as are all women etc
jdprettynails If you want to get into Eva, I'd recommend looking up the watch order on r/evangelion, since that often confuses newcomers to the series.
3:00 Funny thing is: Journey to the West, the most classic of adventures in existence, has The Monkey King, who really wants to kill everybody in his way, is actively disallowed killing. In The Hobbit, Bilbo also barely (if ever) kills anybody. Same with Frodo.
I feel dumber after seeing this. Not because of your analysis and rebuttal Shaun. Those are pretty spot on. Good job. I feel dumber for having to listen to this Stefan guy's...absolutely gob smacking "criticisms." Never before have I wanted to grab someone by the collar and slap him across the face punctuating each impact with the words "DID! YOU! ACTUALLY! WATCH! THE! MOVIE?!!" Or...ANY Star Wars movie for that matter? Or...ANY movie at all? Honestly, it's one of moments where you pray the guy is a troll because the possibility someone could be adult and that willfully stupid is too depressing. You really do us a service wading through his tripe so the rest of us don't have to. Thank you Shaun.
When you explained the fact that Rey's "adoptive parent" used to own the Falcon, suddenly a lot of pieces fell into place. I always found it strange that she knew the ship inside and out, but also just randomly "bumped into it". Now it all makes sense! I must have missed when they mentioned that in the movie....
I very much doubt he's a swordsman. It's over-romanticised as a skill anyway. While some schools (foil, rapier, epee for example) do rely on precision and finesse, you can be a perfectly good swordsman and be subtle as a brick. In the end, all you're doing is hitting your opponent with a big stick. Just one which happens to have a point and/or edge. Hardly nuclear physics.
Not to mention Rey has practice and experience with the staff - meaning she has basic hand-eye coordination and balance, which is a good fist step in learning how to use a new weapon. And also she fights Kylo when he's badly wounded and furious - not a good combination, to say the least. And Kylo isn't an amazing swordsman himself - he's competent, but only gets practice smashing consoles and killing unarmed civilians. So when he has his, as far as we know, first ever duel - do we expect him to be able to completely dominate an uninjured opponent with more practical experience in actual melee combat?
Angelina Jolie punched someone in a movie so patriarchy can't exist? Goddamn it, Molyneux. Also i assume the "leaving the nest" trope is a relatability thing, like we all eventually have to differentiate our selves from our parents so we can relate to characters taking that step.
Are you a public defender outside of YT? Because you should be. Your attention to detail is outstanding, and I think you have a nice sense of justice. Great content, man.
Stefan is one of those people I have no qualms about calling entirely morally reprehensible and genuinely mean spirited. What a sad way to think and live.
I think Stephen is a very weak, insecure man. He has a very warped view of reality. He refuses to see the complexity of human beings, even as they are portrayed as movie characters nor see past his one-dimensional view of women. What a sad life he must live.
@@zaferoph This is true it's just that hes picked the worst possible franchise to pick at, where approximately a third of it is spent explaining a the Tragic figure of the main villain.
+Tasmosunt Jesus Christ I'd hate to be his daughter. Molyneux is against "race mixing" and has implied numerous times that women should not work, and instead all be housewives. I see it as the same as growing up in the 20s or something.
Laura Bugorskaya It is strange. In some podcasts he counsels guys to only go with women that have plans to become something in life, study and get a job while the man stays at home( basically according to his own logic, men should be " testosterone based parassites") in others he contraddicts himself and even wants his daughter to be " an estrogen based parasite" that stays at home snd makes kids That is how he calls women. He continously contraddicts himself. I will post a link to that podcast.
In a twisted way it makes sense. The only way for both people in a relationship to be jobless home makers is to live In a truly post-scarcity utopia where there would be no need for anyone to work. We'd just have sex and cook. The man's a visionary.
Finn is ‘courageous’?! Did you SEE the movie?! Finn wanting to run and live rather than possibly fight and die is an important subplot of the whole movie which is touched upon at multiple times!! Him overcoming his fear is an touchstone of the movie!
Stefan: Women can't fight, and shouldn't be depicted doing so because it's dangerous!!!!!!! It'll give them IDEAS. Also Sefan: IF THE RATIO OF MEN/WOMEN DEATHS IS UNEVEN IT IS ANTI-MALE. ....What? So, who are these women that are dying then in Stefan's world? If they're not combatants, then CIVILIANS? Bonus round: Stefan thinking that "men dying for women" is Anti-Male, when the whole point of that narrative trope is the sexist notion that women always need to be saved. I mean, I guess it's technically damaging to men as well, but that's some circular logic right there.
You cant argue about not showing the affects of childhood trauma and then cite harry potter. Half the moral is that Harry and Voldemort were both abused as children and one grew up to be a hero and the other grew up to be magic Hitler
And it is clear to me that what saved Harry was meeting Ron on the Hogwarts Express. It was forming this friendship and Ron telling him about Slytherin's reputation that resulted in Harry being sorted into Gryffindor, putting him on the path of becoming the hero of the story.
@@GermanLeftist I think Draco is also relevant here, as he inadvertently confirmed what Ron had been telling Harry. Not intentionally, mind you, but that does kind of play into his ark through the story.
To be fair, their baseline personalities were rather different. Harry tried to accommodate the unfair behavior of his adoptive family, while Voldemort at the same age was already manipulative and showed overtly sadistic tendencies. Harry used magic impulsively when stressed, while Voldemort had begun to wield it deliberately and in a calculated manner. From what we know of the orphanage it wasn't actively hostile towards Voldemort, just somewhat neglectful as such a place, likely underfunded/understaffed, tends to be. Harry on the other hand was trapped in home that actively hated his existence and who were deliberately repressing his very nature. Another key difference is however briefly he had a family who loved him, where Voldemort did not, at least not in that kind of way.
@@willowarkan2263 yeah but also even ignoring voldemort's story, a frequent theme was harry being tempted by his connection to voldemort to do the wrong thing, but choosing to do the right thing anyway. there's actually a couple quotes directly about how you are defined by your actions, not the things that happen to you
@@vitalyaloves fair. It was Voldemort doing the pulling, it was this supernatural voice that tried pulling him into a darker path, arguably that shows even more strength of character in harry, since he had to contend with an hidden outside force for pretty much his entire life that most others don't.
I'd watch Luke work a boring farm job for two hours. The introductory worldbuilding and tiny troubleshooting slice of life bit at the start of an epic is always my favorite, and I love it when those stories slow down in the middle, and focus on just contemplation and hanging out. I mean, prolonging the boring bits and rushing the spectacle bits is how I play all my fantasy/scifi videogames anyway.
I'm super late on this video but I only recently discovered Shaun... The scary thing is I agree with Stefan when he talks about men being expendable, not because I think movies are trying to say "men are expendable" but because he's misunderstanding what some feminists call "male as the default." All the grunts and soldiers are men because male is the default. Women don't exist in background scenes unless as a decoration, and they're never grunts unless it's A Thing that "the group is a hot team of badass chix!" You'll never see a bunch of punching bag grunts with women mixed in. This is a feminist issue.
Tbh, 50% of what Stefan says is just feminist arguments repackaged to be about men. So it's like...he gets the feminist arguments and the impact of media, he just doesn't like it. So he makes it a meninism issue instead.
I actually laughed out loud when he said that male villains never get humanizing backstories... while commenting a franchise where basically, an entire prequel trilogy was made to give a humanizing backstory to the main male villain.
I think hes consciously supressing that. I would understand, the prequels werent really good
@Marc T but it's a back story nevertheless.
@Marc T unless you've watched the Clone Wars. That humanized Anakin pretty damn well
even when overlooking the prequel trilogy, the ending of Star Wars is basically Darth Vader redeeming himself by saving his son from an agonizing death and turning on the most evil being in the galaxy.
If that's not humanizing the biggest antagonist of the saga, I don't know what it is.
@Marc T Padme was 16 when Anakin was 9. Seven years difference. Pretty normal in real life. Between adult couples, I mean.
Stefan: If you're superior, how is it possible that you're a victim??
Congrats Stefan, you just accidentally discredited your entire ideology.
This is good content and I’m proud of you.
Lmaooooo
Well, yes, he claims he is both. It's not a contradiction, though
Ur-Fascism 101, the enemy is always strong and weak. And presumably, you are always victimized and conquering
@@gabriellavedier9650 Perhaps the real enemy were the friends we made along the way
"Male villains don’t get sympathetic backstories!”
that’s an odd thing to say in a Star Wars movie review
yknow a franchise that has an entire movie trilogy about the sympathie backstory of the main male villian
Killmonger, Vulture, Zemo, Magneto, Darth Vader, Kylo Ren, the RDA from Avatar, etc
Usually hindsight is helpful, but now it's clouding my memory... did Kylo Ren get his own sympathetic backstory (that is, "Luke tried to kill me!!!") in Force Awakens or in Last Jedi?
Let's not forget about Assaj Ventress.
And honestly, not every villain needs to "have a point", get a sympathetic backstory or be otherwise relatable in their actions, and it feels like a lot of (movie) writers toss that kind of stuff in just to tick a box. "Here's the bad guy, he's bad, now go beat him up" is a tried and true narrative structure for a reason.
@@stug6974 also if the villain is committing genocides, does it matter what kind of childhoods they had?
"If there are female characters that can fight, rape culture can't be real" - Stefan Molyneux.
This dude jumped so many sharks I think he's stealthily hoping to be in the next Sharknado.
@bunnybreaker Oh god, I think I need video tape AND written instructions to pee, that’s how far watching just these short clips of Molypuke has dropped my IQ.
He may as well be saying WOMEN WHO FIGHT WELL IN MOVIES ARE THE REASON WE CAN’T EAT BACON!!! I mean...what?!?
Also...Jesus. Can’t. He. Talk...NOR...mullee. He out-Shatners Shatner.
That’s actually not what jumping the shark means, which is really when a piece of media runs out of ideas and becomes super absur... nvm
And his examples are one female character with copious amounts of espionage and combat training, and another with force magic who grew up in a harsh environment filled with criminals. Sound logic.
@@sissymarie2912 And even if Rey was more a Mary Sue than any other male main characters in action films, I think it would be perfectly fine. It's ok to sometimes lean back and enjoy some wishfillment, feel-good stories. If everything in media has to reflect reality, it would be really boring. We need escapism in our life to sometimes 'escape' from the mundane.
On a side note, even if Luke had had a training montage with Yoda, the guy he beat up was freaking Darth Vader who had years of more training and experience and was a literal cyborg + a child of the force. How many years of training did Luke have before beating him anyway? The number comparison here is pure pedentry. Why draw the arbitrary line that how much training Luke received was in the ok category and not how much experience Rey had?
That False Equivalency is hurting my head!
Jesus Christ he has a daughter?! I feel endlessly sorry for her
Right!? Who bred with him? Is she okay?
His daughter, Eva Braun I think she is called, is probably pretty indoctrinated
as far as I've seen on his twitter and stuff, he's actually nicer to her than i thought
@@ambiguousmax7478 it's like the handmaid's tale, he jut kidnapped some chic and impregnated her.
@GREGORY RENK why are you implying you have to be in love to have sex? Lol.
“Swordfighting is very difficult and dangerous, as I learned from playing MacBeth..”
What, you mean you weren’t *trained from birth* to fight with a sword??
I know, he acts like playing Macbeth is somehow dangerous or something
@@nathanaelwaters2509 It is a cursed play tbf :P
Fool... all actors are trained for one role at birth
This probably translates as 'I spent an hour or two waving around an aluminium display prop and this somehow makes me Toshiro Mifune'. The average LARPer, male or female, could probably take down this alpha male uber-warrior with very little effort, I suspect.
*While you were studying the blade I was studying Macbeth*
Stefan needs to...not talk about women anymore, you know?
I hope his daughter does okay. I hate imagining someone growing up in a house where whenever a character like Rey comes on screen, dad starts going on about how unrealistic it is for her to be capable and that she should just be a victim like real women or something.
@LEO2001 But in A New Hope, Luke pretty much succeeded at everything he set out to do, even quite foolhardy things like rescuing Leia from the Death Star.
@LEO2001 Also, when I watched TFA I didn't feel that Rei was presented as a flawless character. Rei's flaws are that she is judgmental and overconfident. When she meets Finn, she accuses him of cowardice and he tells her she doesn't know what she's talking about. Sean says the movie doesn't really take side here, but I think it does, and its clear that Finn was mostly right and Rei was mostly wrong. She didn't know what she was talking about w/r/t the First Order, she thought it would be easy to be brave and then found out it was actually hard, and in the end she learns the value of running away from a losing battle.
@LEO2001 Yes, really good point. Those five minutes of training made all the difference. So if Rey had spent five minutes training with the laser ball thing you'd be perfectly fine with everything else in the movie, aye?
@LEO2001 i think you're missing the point a bit. It dosnt matter if Ray is way too op or whatever because Stefan cant handle 'strong female characters' at all. It dosent matter how well written they are since his problem isnt actually with Ray or wonder woman. The problem is that he hates women and thats a really toxic enviroment for a child to grow up in.
@LEO2001 im not saying Ray isnt op (which she might as well be i have no idea and it isnt important to the conversation) im just pointing out that the original comment focused on the negativ effects Stefans blatant sexism could have on his daughter
I think the part where he said the women should never have to call the cops because in movies some women can beat up men gave me an aneurysm..
It makes me want him arrested cause that just implied some very disturbing things.
He has apparently never heard of women beating up men in self-defense in real life. Two woman friends of mine fought off and defeated rapists. One was untrained and kicked his shins bloody with her platform shoes and another knew kung fu.
for me it was the bit about vaders dick helmet and the death star fertilization
Dude, Rey could wield a lightsaber almost instantly, and you can’t fight off multiple intruders in a home invasion?
Are they sith? Do they use the force?
I didn’t think so.
fat gumbo jefferson yeah, that was weird because Darth Vader’s helmet is not supposed to be a dick, it was a combination of a Samurai helmet and a German WWII helmet. I don’t think Stefan knows what he is talking about.
*Normal commentators:* Watch movie; make list of things they liked and hated.
*Stefan:* First makes a list of things he hates; watches movie looking for that.
Things Stefan hates:
1. Women
2. Women doing manly man things
3. Women not obeying men
(i forgot 4. Women having opinions)
@@chilanya you could argue 5. Women just strolling unharmed by MAN. Stefan might have 1-2 unsolved issues...
I had this book once: *_Star Wars: Luke's Fate_* It was a Step Into Reading book. And it showed he listened to a tape multiple times; Imperial Space Academy, or something. It also showed him racing a rival, Fixer, in - *_Are you lying down on the floor???_* - Beggar's Canyon!!! So yes, Luke *_IS_* a somewhat skilled pilot, and Jeremy of CinemaSins needs to stop saying: "ThE bOoKs DoN't FuCkInG mAtTeR!", because *_CLEARLY_* they do, partially because they tell parts of the story movies don't or just can't!!
@@Alysa-Aiday Luke talks about bagging womp rats in his T-38 (or whatever) in Beggar's Canyon. Lore wise the controls of that are supposed to be similar to the ones in a starfighter.
@@mckorr2116: T-16, actually
"If [women] are victims, you can't be fighters, and if you're fighters, then you can't be victims!!!"
Then...
How are men mugged, assaulted, murdered and indeed domestically abused, sometimes even by women no less?
JammyD2579 Does he not realize fighters are the most likely to be victims because of their hazardous occupations( soldiers, boxers, wrestlers) therefore they are most likely to be victims. So both men and women can be fighters and victims.
Funny, I get nightmares because some people still think "Jewish cabals" are a thing.
well their domination of media and industry has been thoroughly documented, and the evidence that they have their own agenda is overwhelming. the protocols of zion may seem like corny conspiratard bullshit, but the disturbing thing is that all the drastic changes that happened throughout the 20th century correspond pretty perfectly with the text of that alleged hoax.
ArnoldTohtFan You know a drastic thing that actually did happen in the 20th century? A European government systematically murdered at least six million men, women, and children because of crap like that. That was within plenty of older people's lifetimes! It really wasn't that long ago! CLEARLY the zionist conspiracy had shit well under hand.
I'd spend more time arguing with your blatantly false conspiracy theories, but I have to go make sure that whichever cemetery just got vandalized wasn't the one half my family's buried in.
ArnoldTohtFan My great-grandparents left Russia for a reason, buddy, and I can assure you it wasn't for any grand conspiracy payouts. They were poor as fuck and made coats for a living and were sick of the fucking pogroms.
Yeah, Star Wars never ever gives it's male villains sympathetic back-stories. Certainly not to the the extent of making three bloody movies about their main male villain. Or ending the original trilogy by having the main male villain save the hero and then join the dead good guys in Jedi heaven or whatever that was.
So you felt sympathy after seeing the Clone Wars? Also, Vader didn't have a sympathetic backstory, he really didn't have much of one at all. Plus, the three films that had Anakin in it, was telling the events of what happened before the original Trilogy. It wasn't solely about Anakin, especially since the Phantom Menace barely had Annie in it, and when he was, didn't understand the events going on around him. So actually its two films that have a villain's beginning, but wasn't solely about the that villain or making him sympathetic.
***** It's pretty obvious that Lucas was trying to make Anakin sympathetic. If he didn't succeed, it's not for lack of trying.
I'm not sure what "solely" has to do with anything. VII isn't "solely" about anything either.
Star Wars was like the worst example he could have picked, but I think there is indeed a point to be made about men being portrayed as disposable.
google "fridging"
The Smoking Dog You didn't feel sympathy for Anakin after the prequels? The prequels is the story of how Anakin was failed by his master and the ignorant Jedi-Order which made him easy pray for the emperor. Of course he has to own up to his decisions, but if you go back to the movies and put a little more thought into it, you can see that Anakin is correct in his criticism of the Jedi-Order. They are a ignorant, self-serving and blind organisation. All of them failed Anakin and made him easy pray for the emperor. Anyone who is interested in more constructive "reviews" of movies you should check out "CinemaWins", the ones on Star Wars are very interesting.
I love how annoyed Stefan gets about how unrealistic it is that the space wizard who can move objects with their hands is a woman
Tbf it's not that impressive to move objects with your hands. How else would you even do it?
@@BrookeIsAnEditorMaybe kick it. I don’t know how football players do it, maybe they use the footy force.
@gavinj1456; Not her hands, her *_Mind_*
And besides, you know who else is a Force Sensitive female? *_Leia!_*
Interesting how he assumes all the stormtroopers are “boys” when we’ve seen Phasma. Or that female villains always have sympathetic backstories shown on screen, or that female characters are all invincible when we’ve... seen Phasma.
@Dumbo Octopus Apparently she originally got called out for being a traitor, then she guns down the men that were starting to question her like a badass because she can't look bad in front of her army. It would've been really cool to have that as her actual ending.
Dumbo Octopus they wasted Gwendoline so bad
i mean , yeah , since blasters seem to have little recoil , and they, the storm trooper , don't have to carry their equipment , taking females would be make sense as a choice , afther you consider that they wear concealing armor and are trained and brainwashed , so yeah peraps the stormtrooper demografic might even be 50/50
Fun fact: There was a Captain Phasma origin story book. She was depicted as an outright terrible, fratricidal, human being with no redeeming qualities. Deliberate efforts were made to turn her from a faceless neutral evil in the movies to an actual villainous character.
And, since he mentioned maleficent and 'non brutal deaths' in the same sentence...poppycock, the lady got stabbed with a goddamn sword after turning into a massive black dragon, if that isn't brutal I dunno what is. I assume he was talking about the more recent movie in that little tangent, but still
I feel really, REALLY bad for this dude's daughter. If this is the shit he tells her and how he thinks of women and how much he controls what media she consumes lest she thinks having adventures is realistic or cool, she must have a pretty shitty life with him.
He's SO intensely and so thoroughly intimidated by the existence of a strong woman. It's embarrassing, and he doesn't even realize it.
"effortless estrogen excellence" I found my new twitter name
Send me your account!
Efesex
That name is blatant Feminist Propaganda, I'm going to have to log into my account; Transendent Testosterone Tradition, and have you removed
Maxwell Zephyr I’m sorry, I must log into marxismos magnífico just to cancel you
Would also be a great name for a workout routine for women. 🤔
The fact that Stefan has a daughter worries me deeply.
I hope she’s doing okay.
@@lenenlawless I don’t think you and I are in the same time zone, but thanks
It also worries me that he named her Eva brun, who by the way was the name of Hitler's wife
@@YEY0806WHAT. Omg.
@@YEY0806 Google says her name is Isabella, what is your source on this?
dunno if it's been mentioned but a point he ignored and you didn't pick up in this video either is when he is talking about villains he completely ignores Captain Phasma, who is female, she has no sympathetic backstory or arc, she's just evil and that's all we know, and she's also remarkably useless really, doing very little and giving up super fast at the end buuutttt i guess none of that fits his narrative
With the entire hindsight of the whole mess over with, it sucks the best Phasma stuff we got was in those comics noone probably bought.
@@gratuitouslurking8610 I very much loved that she was this enigmatic mystery person with a striking costume, who clearly could've had a bigger role in the story if it wasn't cut short. That's what Star Wars did great with all those original bounty hunter and anonymous prequel Jedi characters, and in the sequel trilogy they did a lot of that with all the villain characters; suggest that any one of these space LARPers could've had a film trilogy all their own, to downplay the main character's uniqueness.
It is so hard to watch Steffan talking. His gestures, facial expressions, tone, unbearable "sarcasm" every other sentence and casual dropping of stuff like "complete denial of egg-accesability" makes him so unpleasant to listen to.
Can't imagine how you can voluntarily subject yourself to his videos.
Rengar39 when he said he played Macbeth I cringed.
There's no other way to say it : he has reached maximum punchability. Everything from the shape of his face to the littlest ways of emoting of this man have converged towards attracting clenched fists at full speed.
He looks like a pshyco stalker and I hope his daughter is far away from him.
Not only that, but they are usually two hours long
Certain drugs achieve their effects by damaging brain cells. Maybe his viewers get a high off of the brain damage.
"Harry Potter and the Crippling Anxiety"
Treasures like this are made all more powerful by your sleepy yet measured delivery.
*Shaun:* "Nobody wants to see Luke farm all day"
*Me:* "Which is why we cheer for him to, uh... wield a lightsaber, and we go so crazy when he destroys the Death Star. We *WANT* him to live the adventurous life he dreams of!"
This may sound silly, but I really appreciate you noting Luke refusing to kill Vader. Obviously everyone knows that happened, but no one ever seems to talk about how great it is that Luke's ultimate victory is to choose the route of empathy and non-violence over revenge and hate. It's by far my favorite moment in all three Star Wars movies.
"I am a jedi... like my father before me."
Such a top tier quote.
I wouldnt necessarily say empathy. But the refusal to act on hatred. Either way, great movie
This is also mirrored in TLJ when he almost kills Kylo out of fear, and then realizes what he was about to do
@Caleb
If by “mirrored” you mean “utterly ruined” then yes. Luke would never try to kill his nephew after VI, because that was the whole point of his character development.
@@user-br8jc8tf1p also the film's climax, where luke saves the rebellion, defeats kylo ren, displays the greatest mastery of the force ever shown all without taking any aggressive action. It is literally the perfect jedi moment.
"A young Luke Skywalker was expected to work productively on his uncle's farm *sarcastic gasp*"
Yeah, can you imagine having hopes and dreams that aren't "work your entire life on your family's business and never achieve more than that"?
Of course I'm so blind, it was there all along! The one true way to become an Ubermensch is from moisture farming! - Nietzsche 1900, five seconds before death
+Doughboy Devito Yeah Molyneuxs point was basically "How DARE you want to be anything other than a mindless wage slave!!!"
Only if you're a cult leader who lives off of donations from your followers. It's cool when stephan's a freeloader, but if other people try to be happy the normal way it's wroooong.
Luke should have made UA-cam videos pandering to hateful bigots for money then Moly would have respected him. Or at least wouldn't have criticized him not wanting a different life.
Plus staying home to work on the farm while the war rages is traditionally seen as a female role, not a male one. There's lots of female symbolism in that whole mother earth concept, dirt and caves are seen as wombs in a lot of cultures, etc. Comparing Luke to that sort of thing positively and then being mad about "feminine symbolism" "emasculating" men in TFA seems... inconsistent... on his part.
"Why aren't the traumatized characters bad people??"
*me, a person with crippling childhood trauma:* 😒
@@BS-eq3dj OH MY GOD DONT MAKE ME SAD LMAO
@Filthy acts at a reasonable price We'll always have Zuko.
Right? He said that and I was like "ope forgot I'm not allowed to be remotely well-adjusted because I have TRAUMA" like honestly how are there people that take this guy seriously
You'd be surprised what businesses I want to get rolling, and that they're to help.... That's right! The underprivileged *And Traumatized* children!!!
I started shaking when he said that... my wordt fear is that i will be like my childhood abuser. i would do ANYTHING to protect others from being abused
One of the more dishinged things Stefan says here (there's a lot) is the single, nonsensical example of Maleficent as his sole example of a female villain with a sympathetic backstory. Yes, Maleficent received a critical examination as a female character in the 2014 movie bearing her name. BUT....she was created 55 years earlier as a petty witch who cursed an entire nation because she got snubbed an invite to a baby shower. She literally declares herself the "mistress of all evil" before turning into a giant dragon. She is maybe the most unsympathetic female villain ever, if you ignore Lady Tremaine and her daughters (Cinderella), Madam Mim (The Sword in the Stone), Cruella de Vil (One Hundred and One Dalmatians) and Madame Medusa (The Rescuers). And that's just the examples I could think of from animated Disney movies from the same era.
If I wanted to be extra petty myself, I could talk about the sympathetic portrayals given to Captain Hook (Peter Pan) Shere Khan (The Jungle Book) and Prince John (Robin Hood), same studio, same era, but I don't need to. The point is he is cherry-picking like crazy, choosing examples that fit his myopic worldview, even when it doesn't make sense. He goes for the one example he could even remember from the past five years, a villain who gets her own "my side of the story" movie, and ignores the female villain IN THE MOVIE HE IS TALKING ABOUT. Poor Captain Phasma, undeveloped, easily defeated, and tossed aside off-screen into the trash compactor. Why, it's almost as if her gender played no role in her characterization and treatment. Weird that.
Bringing up Disney really demolishes Molyneux's argument. Walt was so right-wing that he fired employees just for having pro-union sympathies, and so many of his films depict REALLY dysfunctional families. Snow White, Pinocchio, Dumbo, Bambi, and countless more were raised in single-parent households. Peter Pan and the Lost Boys were not raised by parents at all! THE LITTLE MERMAID and BEAUTY AND THE BEAST depict interspecies relationships. POCAHONTAS has the heroine outright defying her father and nearly getting him killed in the process. And Mulan certainly doesn't abide by the morays of the traditional nuclear family (well, at least not at first). The reason, of course, is simple: if you put child characters into stable nuclear families, you don't have an adventure; you just have a sitcom.
@@SeasideDetective2
I think that it's a bit of a stretch to say that Beauty and the Beast depicts an interspecies relationship considering that the Beast was a person who was turned into a beast, and he's still fully conscious and able to speak on a human level.
@@mastermarkus5307 look at him. look at her.
I know this is an old comment, but this is even funnier now that the second movie of the trilogy is out, wherein Phasma came back only to get killed.
@@gothboithick Nah, I’m with the other user. The Beast is a human person who is under a(n ultimately) temporary spell that forces him to take the form of an animal. He has the sentience of a person and Belle falls in love with the Beast’s humanity, personality, and kindness-i.e. who he is as a person.
Furthermore, there is no physical intimacy between Belle and the Beast when he’s in his animal form.
I love how his whole rant at the end there, about male representations in movies (being killed more, being villains more often, suffering more brutal deaths) .. is actually a feminist issue. A feminist would point out the same thing, and argue for more equality between the sexes in these representation. Female characters *should* be more often the villain, they shouldn't have to be toned down with a sympathetic backstory or a gentle death etc.
It's basically the same mistake as "anti-feminists" complaining about suicide rates, custody cases and all that. Those are all feminist issues too.
@@leifstennes9822 - Except that they don't. Maybe try talking to actual feminists, or at least learn and read a bit about the theory, instead of just watching alt-right youtubers react to fake outrage content. You'd have a better grasp of reality.
The reason why men _lose_ custody cases is because of patriarchal notions that women are supposed to stay at home and take care of the children.
The reason why men have higher suicide rates is because a patriarchal society puts all the pressure on them AND toxic masculinity prevents men from having the same emotional support structure as women.
^ All those issues are *_feminist_* issues. They're two sides of the same coin. No feminist is going to "scream" at you for being concerned over those issues. The problem with a lot of MRAs is that they use those issues as an excuse to oppress women MORE.
It's because anti-feminists don't actually care about suicide rates, combat fatalities, or any of the rest of it. It's just a convenient weapon to use against women they don't like due to mommy issues or whatever.
Also the “men die more” has a pretty simple explanation: there are more male characters both major and overall on screen in the first place.
"some fictional women in movies can beat the crap out of men, that means that women in real life don't suffer any violence at all".
Its like he doesn't understand what the word fantasy means.
It's also not anymore unrealistic than when male action heroes in movies are basically portrayed as one-man armies, given how in real life most men would not be able to take on 10+ people at a time in a fight without at the very least slightly getting the shit beaten out of them in the process.
Ew, does Stefan actually have a daughter? That poor child, yikes.
We all have our shames about our parents... But it must be really bad for her since her dad is semi known lol.
She can only hope that people turn their attention away from hating her for being related to him to someone else who's simply more distracting lol.
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Ironically, there _is_ a fantastic pilot in the movie... *His name is Poe.*
OTL I'm not sure Stefan actually watched.... not even just this movie, but _any_ of the Star Wars movies.
And like, half of his other asks are answered by Phasma.
"None of the stormtroopers are female!" Uhh, Phasma.
Female villain without a sympathetic backstory? Check.
Female characters are all invincible? Ya, nope.
@@KingBobXVI Barely a villain though, the only thing she did was fight Finn that one time and destroy Star-killer base the other
This always bothers me... Rey makes a living taking apart space ships to get the valuable parts. If you know how to get the valuable parts out of a space ship, IT MEANS YOU HAVE A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT WORKS AND WHY. SO OF COURSE SHE KNOWS A BIT ABOUT STARSHIP MAINTENANCE.
Aaand, Han was separated from his ship for an unknown period of time while its many proprietors made modifications to it, which explains why he isn't familiar with the new systems. Rey, on the other hand, has lived most of her life on Jakku and for all we know, the Falcon might have been there the entire time, giving her opportunities to explore it, tweak around in its systems and know about the compressor.
Two important bits of information that are delivered through mise-en-scène and/or dialogue and that Stefan completely failed to pick up. *slow clap*
That Rey lives on salvaging valuable parts implies that she knows *which parts are valuable*, which in turn implies that she knows all that other stuff.
@@gdpacnw5126 Exactly. You can't make a living selling used car parts unless you know what each does, where it goes, when people need it and when they don't. Sure that doesn't mean you could build an engine from scratch but you'll have to pick up a lot of mechanical principles just to know what to charge for things.
That's what I was thinking as well. Rey literally takes apart space ships to make a living, if she didn't know how to fix it she would be really terrible at her job because being a user automobile part salesperson who sells broken parts is a good way to not have any customers.
@@gdpacnw5126the way I took it was think of scrapping car parts for money... You know which are the most valuable for market and scrap what seems to be the most valuable not thinking about what it does just how to remove it and what it's worth... Now normally you would need to know what it does if you're selling it to a buyer but she's not... She gives it to the shop owner for portions of food and that's it... So by that logic she wouldn't know how to fix stuff like that.... (Maybe make the individual parts more clean) For even if I was a tradie and worked with taking apart different things I still wouldn't know how to build them unless I had built many things similar and then experimented to find it out through trial and error.... DEFINITELY NOT being able to do it first try (I can take apart and put a fridge together but that doesn't mean I can rebuild a broken air conditioning unit... Especially not seemingly instantly)
Oh yes Harry Potter, that teen with no effects of childhood trauma. Harry "blames himself for everything that goes wrong" Potter. Harry "fundamentally opposed to telling adults his problems" Potter. That well-adjusted boy.
yeah, it's not like he always does his devastating mistakes because he desperately avoids reaching out to his new father figure in time.
Hell, he demonstrates all six diagnostic criteria of PTSD in book 5
He is frequently responsible for the problems he blames himself for, which is realistic because I'm sure everyone knows or is a person who's trapped in a spiral of fucking things up, feeling awful about it, and fucking more things up.
If Harry was an actual example of the kind of extreme neglect and abuse he went through he would have more than DEPRESSION. He'd probably be extremely emotionally disconnected or aggressive, borderline nonfunctional at times, and have attempted suicide more than once. I hate to agree with Stefan, but I don't think you have any understanding of what prolonged and severe abuse does to a child.
@@kelsierh275 I disagree while I dislike J.K Rowling, I think she did a pretty good job writing Harry and his battle with trauma, while he doesn't have depression or at least I don't think he does, he obviously has severe PTSD
The thing I don't get is the fact that he goes on and on about male vs female villains, when, as you mentioned, Kylo Ren has a fairly sympathetic backstory. The Force Awakens HAS a female villain, Captain Phasma, who gets zero backstory, "dies" pretty handily at the hands of the heroes, and is purely there as an unsympathetic villain. Seriously, of all the movies he could use to make this point, TFA is the wrong one.
Also, thank you so much for this video, it's incredibly cathartic as someone that pretty compulsively defends Rey against accusations of being a Mary Sue. Since all of her skills make complete sense with her backstory (she can defend herself? She's been living alone on Jakku for YEARS. She knows ships and what ship parts do? She only eats when she can get the most valuable parts, she's going to know what they do) it's kind of perplexing. She's a movie protagonist, most protagonists in fantasy or action films have some level of competence, otherwise the plot would go nowhere.
Phasma was kinda disappointing though. I was expecting more from her. Instead she was just something shiny chrome to look at. I hope she does more in 8.
To be fair, her force powers are way too strong, like, she shouldn't be able to do mind tricks in the very first film with no training whatsoever.
+Smoked Wees you know, that was my main grip, and it made me feel Rey was overcompetent in all things to fit my narrative of excess. Then I slowly came to realize her force manifestations were actually my problem, not just "everything" about her. Well, that and the fact that I didn't find her to be much of an engaging character, but hey, to each their own.
Mind control has always been portrayed as a complex Jedi skill, unlike nascent precognition or the ocasional involuntary telekinesis. That makes the scene where Rey mind controls someone kinda jarring, even if the idea may be that she's actually astoundingly strong with the Force... Also, since I hoped they wouldnt rely on the "protagonist is among the most gifted force users ever" trope again for this trilogy, I would still find that rather disappointing.
My thought was that she was really good at it. Like, mind tricks were the *thing* she was good at, Force-wise. Plus, she did learn from Kylo after his, you know... mind-rape session.
TheSeptet, if it actually turns out that you're right about mind tricks being her thing, that's actually pretty standard for superpowered females in fantasy - the guys always get the more physical magic powers whereas the girls tend to be stuck with more mental and person-oriented stuff like telepathy or mind control. So it's even more ridiculous to have all these MRA/alt-whatever people complaining about them being feminist mangina power fantasies or whatever.
"...denial of egg accessibility..."
If there is anything that makes Molyneux's views on women transparent, and why his audience is drawn to him, it is this. You are doing good hard work in deconstructing this worldview, and have given others a framework to do the same. You, Contrapoints, Philosophy Tube, hbomberguy and others who have stepped up to thoughtfully give rebuttal to reactionaries and bigots are heroes of our generation, even though what you do seems so mundane. Thank you so much for what you do.
I was genuinely confused when he said that. Thought he was going for the vegans for a second. Lmao
@@ombelle5284 Clearly you haven't seen enough Stefan Molyneux, that dude is obsessed with eggs to the point where even most hardcore misogynists like him seem reasonable on the matter. His thing with Taylor Swift's eggs was mindblowing for me, utterly baffling how this dude even exists.
@@TayTayMakesBeats when he said that the death star was an egg and the torpedo was a sperm cell, my brain shut off for a few seconds
@@Gloomdrake your brain's self-preservation instinct kicked in.
@@TayTayMakesBeats Stefan is goofy and corny af. After he filmed that video, he definitely jerked it while thinking about making Rey watch him penetrate the Death Star egg. And as he climaxed, he cried, “War-nography!”
I can’t believe he has a daughter. I hope she survives him and manages to become a kind, empathetic person in spite of her dad, who is a hokey, bitter man.
Stephan mention a daughter. Dear Christ, was he just saying that or does he actually have one and can I have her e-mail so we can work out an escape plan?
anne berry I feel bad for the poor girl.
Oh man......I really hope that that kid grows up with good, positive role models in her school life etc. so that she is happy because Stefan's parenting (if you want to call it that) would probably leave that poor kid without any self-esteem or self-worth.
Poor girl probably has no self-steem, can you imagine? if she gets raped he probably would say she's overreacting
According to Stephan, his daughter should never aspire to be good at anything because it's unrealistic.
His daughter should aspire to be everything, and get tf out of there.
HOW DO YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT MALE VILLAINS NOT BEING GIVEN SYMPATHETIC BACK STORIES WHEN YOU. ARE. LITERALLY. TALKING. ABOUT. *STAR. WARS.*
The fact that he thinks Finn was cloned means he obviously didn’t even pay attention to the movie, he was just looking to get as offended as possible
Yeah, in all fairness the clone assertion is a massive mistake as are literally all the assertion about Fins characteristics. The commentator of this video is head and shoulders above Steffan
As Th3birdman said: "This is a level of stupidity so severe, I don't even think Jeremy of CinemaSins would've said that"
"Sometimes a Death Star is just a Death Star." - Sigmund Freud
"...but if there's two it's balls." - Sigmund Freud
*Sig-Moonfreud
GravityGuava This is a 5 star comment
@@lilacrain3283 It's a _ludicrous_ comment...you know...space _balls?_
I'll see myself out.
@@LautaroArgentino
That’s no Sigmoon, it’s a Sigspace station
Why does Stefan so often assume (fictional) men are "trained from birth/childhood" or for years/decades or are masters at whatever they do, when this hasn't been stated or implied? That's.... really weird?
Yeah, Stefan thinks all men are like the Spartans in "300", lol!
Well, to be fair, the stormtroopers in TFA were stolen as children and raised to be soldiers. But I agree that just because of that, doesn’t mean you can’t get killed. I mean, I could be a CIA/KGB trained ultra masculine ubermensch, that doesn’t mean I can’t get domed by a toddler fucking around with a handgun.
Because he loves to believe that men are simultaneously horribly victimised yet incredibly heroic. Especially himself.
@@knshinn2 typical trait of fascism
@@darlalathan6143 - I just find it funny that he uses "men with neckbeards" as an indicator of strength. Like, what? Ok there, buddy.
The fact that you accidentally predicted the whole Palpatine twist is really one of those "Apollo giving the ability of foresight" moments.
I think there might have been some uh... racial... tones to Stefan’s characterization of Finn
yeah the part where he says he's "mindlessly horny" (haven't seen the movie so i don't know how accurate this is under any lens) for "obvious reasons" definitely sounds like, to him, those "reasons" are that he's Black
@@lavernebennet7395 That's dog whistles for ya. He hasn't said it but people who need to know will hear his message loud and clear.
Given that Stefan later decided to become an explicit white supremacist (ostensibly because he enjoyed his holiday to Poland so much), I'd say you're right. He's a prime example of the MRA-to-Nazi pipeline
@Luís Andrade Um, didn't Stefan literally say that he had become sympathetic to white supremacy/white nationalism after visiting Poland? There's a clip of him saying it in Shaun's video about Steven Crowder and the definition of white supremacy. He literally said it himself, on video.
Not to mention him being friends with Jared Taylor, a prominent and active white supremacist and editor of a white supremacist publication. If it quacks like a duck, etc.
And if you're going to split hairs about whether a given white supremacist is technically a Nazi, all you're doing is enabling Nazis.
My point about the pipeline is that Stefan seems to have started out as a libertarian with a misogynist streak, and has got steadily deeper into the far right. There is an MRA-to-Nazi pipeline - the far right loves to recruit angry men who have a problem with women. I'm not saying that every misogynist is a Nazi - I'm saying that the online far right uses misogyny to suck people in.
@Luís Andrade Ah, a Nazi hairsplitting about what technically counts as Nazism. Very funny.
And I'm a people of European descent, and can confirm that we are a bunch of assholes.
"how can women who beat up men twice their size, also live in a world where rape culture and patriarchy are things"
Does stefan Molyneux not realise that film is fictional
I think he doesn't realize that women are different from other women. Like how some know space kung-fu and some don't.
and that the women in question has fucking magic.
Wait, are you saying that women in real life don't know magic?! Then how have I been controlling spiders to attack MRA dudes?
It doesn't even matter, because even war veterans can get shot and trained fighters can be assaulted. Even people who are experts at combat can't be expected to account for every scenario in which their life or bodily autonomy is threatened, let alone the average person.
Being trained or strong doesn't make you invincible.
TheSeptet .....you must teach me your ways....
Actually, what's interesting is, I read somewhere an analysis of Rey's fighting style which goes into detail of how she clearly fights as though she learned how to use a staff but not a sword, which fits well into the history of the character.
Look, I'm generally anti violence, but Stefan's mannerisms and douchebaggery inspire in me a primal urge to attacc
This is good content and you should both be very proud.
@Dario Hassankhani I'm at least laughing that he got yanked off UA-cam XD
Sorry for the 2 years later reply, but Stefan's mannerisms and opinions are almost exactly the same as my coworker, that I eventually had to kick out of my team... I just needed to rant.
@@noh-1386 you have the patience of a saint, if I knew Stephen Molyneux, then Stephen Molyneux would be toothless and bleeding by the side of the road.
he makes me ✨stabby✨
Wow, a fantasy character who has super powers. Never saw that before. Homer’s Ulysses or Achilles had totally ordinary heroes. Or Beowulf ripping off monsters arms and drowning their monsters in a deep lake. Killing dragons. King Arthur was one of 2 survivors in a battle of half a million people. What a Gary Stew!
@@braydenfarrell1177 Which was literally the only possible way to kill him trough external force.
I think the term is Gary Stu, though who really cares
@@washada Hmm. Possibly. I don't know the origin of that part of mythology: Achilles mother bathed him in the river of the underworld, hardening his skin to be impenetrable. Leaving a small patch that was covered by a leave.
=> My prior comment
So, Rey, a character that grew up on her own since she was very young, having developed several survival skills and talents is somehow a Mary Sue, but I bet Stefan would never call Tarzan a Barry Sue despite that being literaly the same thing that happened to him and made him the king of the jungle.
Finally!!
Nah, I disagree with Stefan on basically everything down to the word but Rey definitely is a Mary Sue. Of course there are tons of Barry Stus in media but when it comes to Rey and quite a few other female protags in Hollywood like Captain Marvel there is a very clear trend of a super hollow and forced kind of superficial empowerment. Liberal/corporate/media progressivism is kinda trash, it projects the aesthetic of progress without much deeper behind it. Rey as a character is unbelievably dull and is almost immediately not only good at but better than anyone else at a whole range of things that extend far beyond her upbringing. Of course all of this is a writing issue, I'm sure Daisy Ridley would have done a great job with better material but my issue is with why she was written the way she was. My point is that especially around the time the sequels were released Hollywood was using the veneer of progressivism for attention, media praise and as a shield from criticism. It's also really easy to write a Mary Sue or Marty Stu, the difference being that Marty Stus aren't used to pass off bad art as something socially important.
Big budget Hollywood movies will never make anything resembling a deep critique of patriarchy, capitalism, the social construct of race or gender or whatever. They use the "strong female lead" trope, diverse casting and general social justice issues in a pretty hamfisted way for their own gain. For example Black Panther is by all means a pretty mediocre movie. Thematically inconsistent, poor writing, boiler plate cinematography, some of the CG looks like something off a PS3 game or Sam Raimi's Spiderman movies and yet it's near the top of the top 10 highest rated (by critics) movies on Rotten Tomatoes. It was cool to see an almost all black cast in something that isn't about slavery but does that make it a great or even good movie? Of course not, yet it was treated like it is because of its progressive elements. Same goes for a lot of "strong female leads," they're made to be superficially empowering at the expense of them being actual fleshed out characters because that's what makes money. There are failures like the abysmal Ghostbusters remake but that was so blatant and poorly executed that nobody in their right mind would say it's not a dumpster fire. Otherwise surface level wokeness is the name of the game because it works. You can call all of your critics bigots because half of them are, it's a built in self-propelled defense mechanism that makes reasonable people have to argue against people like Stefan or the Quartering for bad or mediocre art. Super cynical, makes genuinely good progressive causes look bad because Hollywood elites don't tend to understand what they project their values to be.
@FilthyDankWastemanFabuless Aye I know I rambled a lot back there but I'm definitely right. I think it would be more accurate to say that Rey is an exceptionally poorly written character and a noticeable part of that is how the "strong, independent woman" trope replaces actual personality or character. I doubt that the writers and producers understood or even cared about feminism, I think it's purely based on money, attention and praise/defense by (overwhelmingly liberal) media outlets.
I mean she kinda is. She picks up a lightsaber for the first time and is able to duel with someone who has trained since he was a child. Same thing with Finn using a lightsaber. There's other examples and star wars has Gary sue characters too that people don't critize nearly as much as Rey but you say she's not a Mary Sue is just kinda dishonest. The sequels are just poorly written and written to pander to what old executives think the kids these days like instead of telling a good story with well written characters
@@Comuniity_ But you do agree that it's not just Rey right? Stefan still has no fucking point in his interpretation of this movie as "anti-male sexism" or something.
... "the death star blowing up sequence is actually about insemination" good lord that might be the most reaching statement I have ever heard, and I have heard Alex Jones speak.
My family is asleep and I cackled out loud when he said that shit it's so overwhelmingly bad
This is good content and I’m proud of both of you.
That was the first thing my young impressionable mind thought when my weak victim mother and my strong protector father let me watch it. XD dude is unhinged
I was kind of following his thinking through the whole video i.e. 'i understand why he, coming from this worldview, interpreted it like that' but then that happened and my jaw hit the floor... like, what the fuck?
@@morallyconflictedtortoise6494 - He has a conclusion he wants to reach, and the movie doesn't _actually_ support any of it, so massive logical leaps have to be made for him to reach his stupid predetermined conclusion. And this is the result.
Stefan is so smug and irritating it's actually physically painful to watch. I feel bad for his daughter.
So Rey's type is "a yawningly cliche stock character"...and yet he never gives any other examples of this supposedly overdone archetype.
almost as if there aren't that many badass female protagonists in scifi who are well known.
Pretty sure that to him all female characters who... are able to do something? Are an example of feminism having gone too far lmao
@@overgrownkudzu Ellen Ripley
@@overgrownkudzu Well I guess with Rey included we still only have two in the Star Wars movies. Hint: it is not the one in the bad trilogy.
Edit: Three if we count Rogue One and about thousands if we skip the protagonist part and the "Movies part" and just delve into "awesome female characters in star wars". The star wars setting literally has some of the most famous, strong females in Sci-Fi and it is a shame to see Rey not being one of them.
Well you see that would take at the very least decent researching and arguing skills which he clearly didn’t have since he wouldn’t have made that dumb video of his in the first place
I wonder who hurt Stefan so bad that he has dedicated his whole life to excessive irrational vitriol against women (and minorities of course)
TacticalOtter2 he's said if his mother were not his mother he would have killed her
That makes so much sense and honestly makes me genuinely sad and also has me using a term I save for rare occasions; yikes.
Feminism, its ruining the idea that women aren’t objects,
I get the feeling he's sargons dad or something. Wonder if Sargon will look that good when h'es 80 lol. Nahhh... I'm sure he will continue to look like the poster child for the frog men because he is one lol.
Well, he says he was raised as a latchkey kid by an abusive single mom who dated a lot of men in dead-end relationships, started on welfare then became a career woman. Sounds like Jack the Ripper's psychological profile!
I like the part where he claims male villains are never given a sympathetic backstory, completely ignoring Kylo Ren and *DARTH FREAKIN' VADER!!* Then when he has to mention a sympathetic female villain, he has to reach from outside the franchise entirely for _Maleficent_ of all things.
unironically, "Effortless Estrogen Excellence" is going to be my tagline from now on, that's fantastic
That's an amazing band name right there...
@@weareallbornmad410 that's what i was thinking lmao
and alliteration, no less
I don't think Stefan should watch movies anymore, he seems to not enjoy them.
Oh and by the way, Luke was not expected to work on his uncle's farm for his entire life. Luke was schedule to go to the imperial academy to become a pilot like his friends were doing. His uncle postponed his departure by a season because he needed his help on the farm.
I might not have played Macbeth (the fuck?) but I did practice Japanese swordfighting for years, kenjutsu, and I remember watching this movie with one of my fellow practitioners… We ended up enjoying the fight very much. Kylo fought very much like a tired and injured well versed person, and Rey and Finn fought very much like a scared newbie trying mostly to keep their opponent's sword away from their face.
I remember distinctly this one time I went out drinking just 3 days before the regional tournament, and I had an accident when I was going to take the bus back home; I tripped over nothing and fell down in the asphalt; I held myself up with my right hand, and the asphalt pretty much took off the skin of that hand's entire palm. To this day I have a slightly darker skin tone in the palm of that hand, a good reminder to never again mix Tequilla with Whiskey. 3 days later, I was fighting in the tournament. My hand hadn't had any time to heal and I was just glad it was the right one instead of the left, which is more important in creating leverage and force for kenjutsu. I fought that tournament the best I could and let me tell you: it was _nothing_ like my usual best used to be. I couldn't even bring myself to use any stance which included holding the sword over my head, because doing that put more tension in my right hand and it hurt like hell...
Cut to two years later, and I am sick during the local fight day; this wasn't a tournament, just a day where everyone would pair up with everyone to fight, almost a normal training day but with much more fighting and less drilling than usual; my pressure begins to drop around the 3rd fight. I was fighting a new kid who had just joined two months ago, and my god, he manhandled me. He was lighter than me but I could barely parry him away, and I only managed to win because he got cocky and tried to hit me in the hands from too far away, get stabbed in the neck son that's what you get... But if he hadn't been confident and instead had just kept defending? I would have ran myself dry in just a few more seconds, that was my last fight and I literally fainted a short while later when I sat down.
Yeah a newbie versus a trained person ain't fair... But a newbie versus a trained person who just got blasted in the guts with a shotgun? I know where my money's at.
I'll say this: If I had a choice between going to war and trying to decipher the fever dream that is any given Stefan Molyneux video, I would willingly step on a fucking landmine.
Its ok, in wars they encourage you to avoid land mines ha ha.
wowie stefan is DESPERATE to be oppressed lmfao
*Superior victim mode activate*
I’d volunteer to oppress him in real life.
@@Lafemmefutile
*I'VE SEEN ENOUGH PORN TO SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING*
@@countbinfaceglobalpresiden7926 and i haven't seen enough
"Maybe she was hidden on Jakku because of her incredible force potential or something."
That is... prophetic. Well done, Shaun.
Kind of like how Luke was hidden on Tatooine as a moisture farmer, and Leia on Alderaan as a royal scion.
it was ass pulled and not really hinted at
@@Jdudec367 to be prophetic doesn't require hints, that's kind of the whole point
@@techissus7449 Rey's whole thing was her mysterious backstory, if they wanted to create a good backstory answer that makes sense and people can guess would be the case then there SHOULD be hints, there were genuine hints in Empire Strikes Back that Vader was Luke's dad before the official reveal, there was NOTHING hinting that Rey was Palpatine's grand daughter or that Palpatine's clone son and wife left her there.
@@Jdudec367 ok but what does that have to do with predicting the future? I can say the world will spontaneously spur into dance and people will doodoo fart and le epic pranks everywhere and if it comes true that's prophetic, it doesn't require me to see proceeding events without prophecy
Stefan Molyneux: The Most Projectingest Man of All Time
Honestly what a cringe lord lol
With the most punchable face of all time.
@@hewhoadds - He was really getting off track and trying _real_ hard to give some kind of hitler speech at the end there. Like, the fuck man, dump some cold water over your head or something and calm the fuck down.
My projecting has doubled since I last made a video, Shaun
This is the greatest projection of All Time
Stefan looks like he will have a nervous breakdown any day now.
I swear, his daughter is going to hate him.
She should, his a sexist pig that deserves no love
His eyes often look like he's crazy high on meth.
I'm sure he is.@@mrnonsense1031
"Male villains don't get sympathetic backstories for their evil behaviours"
Dr. Doofenshmirtz : hold my inator
And reviewing a Star Wars movie like does he know about darth Vader like …
@@bluefacestan1826 Stefan: I know Darth Vader he's the guy in the big dark helmet, he kidnaps the Princess Vespa after his planet began running out of oxygen.
Well done Stefan, you spotted the most implausible thing about Star Wars: girls that are good at stuff.
JackGraham999
why would you say it is implausible that girls are good at stuff?
Are you infering that only men are good at stuff?
Did I misunderstand you?
H20 Reloaded
Yes, I was being sarcastic. :-)
I'm curious to know if Stefan has this much contempt for Princess Leia or Ripley in Alien...
To me the most implausible thing in Star Wars is that the plan at the start of the Episode 6 actually works.
Jack Graham nope. It's implausible for Rey to beat kylo in first and second duels even though she never really learned the force.
I don't know what bothers me more. That Stephan Molyneux thinks the Death Star trench run was some sort of bizarre sperm metaphor, or that this man somehow has over half a million people subscribed to him on UA-cam.
Fake ID Or the fact people take that piece of inane shit seriously.
Btw love the Daedalus profile pic.
Fake ID I once had an argument with a person who said this - "Stephan is a master storyteller like Orson Wells".
I'm not kidding, unfortunately I'm not.
Eh, I have to agree with Stephan on this one point, mainly cause he's not the first to notice it. I don't necessarily think it was intentional, but at the very least it carries as much water as the interpretation that Hamlet is gay. The imagery is definitely there, the movie a coming of age story for Luke (and many men have that sort of coming of age feeling about losing their virginity, especially the ones that haven't), and to top it off the sequence comes at the "climax" of the film.
Fake ID It’s the latter, frankly. A chunk of the current generation is going to need to be deprogrammed when they hit 30.
To be completely fair there's enough implicitly sexual imagery in the climax of "A New Hope" to make that comparison.
Sigmund Freud would take one look at Stefan Molyneux and go “yeah, no, I’m not touching that.”
"Women are not wonderful; they are people."
My mom thinks I'm pretty great...
Hey man compared to Stephan you're basically Jesus.
Lol he completely misunderstands the Bechdel test. The point of the Bechdel test is to prove that there is a general under-representation of women in film, not to label any particular film as sexist.
"How could women possibly be abused?!"
He sounds like he's wishing for something there...
@Robert Allan I hope so
"how could women possibly be abused, asking for suggestions"
That bald guy's leap from talking about women fighting well in movies to 'rape culture' is so fucking bizarre...
Bald lives matter
Zx Spectrum
lmfao
Oh it's so many topics he touches on. Apparently it's because of taxes that he's not a billionaire. Right.
It's a pity, because i think men need spokespeople for their issues today just as much as women do, as commonly accepted feminist rhetoric, besides sometimes being right and helpful, also sometimes ends up doing actual harm to society, so it does need to be challenged. But they got THIS GUY. This raving lunatic. I think that whenever he's right, he's only accidentally right, which IMO no better than being wrong.
Siana Gearz The thing is, the commonly accepted parts of the Men's Rights movement that most agree on, such as Men being treated unfairly in custody battles, is a direct result of traditional gender stereotypes, which feminism seeks to remove. As a result, the MRA are denouncing the best path towards better treatment for men, just because they don't want women to be treated better too, or at the very least are so partisan and short-sighted that they can't see it.
halokon, And feminist movement isn't short sighted and partisan? It redefines Patriarchy - which originally just means naming of children after fathers - into an all encompassing system where men oppress women. The movement completely defines itself in terms of this framework of oppression. This likely isn't entirely the truth - after all, how do you oppress the larger half of the society? In my view it's more likely, that the traditional strongly roled society is a result of a social contract, where men gained nominal/decisive power and women gained protection, a balance in which under harsh living circumstances, both sexes were the most content, and the society as a whole was the most functional. Due to changes in the nature of work and society, predominantly due to process of industrialisation, this social contract became obsolete, and feminist movement was necessary and inevitable. However, because it defines the start condition as is-condition, it lacks the termination condition. In feminist's view, the women are always oppressed, and no matter how many changes you implement, it's never enough, and never too much. From which, sometimes nonsensical policies follow such as where employers and educational institutions have been lead to loosen performance requirements of women or provide monetary incentives, so you see now an ingress of women in technical and scientific professions who do not have a sufficient innate interest or talent for the field. Is leading women to discover different innate interests that are not driven by traditional norms not a great goal? It certainly is, because we need more and better individuals in these fields as society as a whole, as it's our developmental way forward, inevitably in post-industrial society, but better means need to be found. Similarly, various statistics frequently quoted by feminists regarding rape, regarding pay equality, are heavily selective and skewed and lack a certain detail and finesse which would enable level headed discussion.
So we never defined a new cohesive social structure that would completely account for the circumstances, and i think we never will just as long as we use feminism as the framework. The progress of feminist movement should enable us now to re-formulate the social structure question from the humanist perspective, to maximise the value for individuals no matter the sex and society as a whole. I'm afraid this is not going to happen until feminism experiences a countermovement such as MRM, which is in its current shape not fit for purpose.
the fuck movie did he watch
Kilo101
lol.
I know.. He is completely NUTS.
The hatred for women has melted his brain.
Reminds me of hbomberguy's response to Davis Aurini's Star Wars critique.
Davis: The only reason he nuts up and fights Not Darth Vader is because he got the scent of Feminist Skywalker's White Pussy into his nose.
hbomberguy: ...............They must have cut that part out for the version screened in the UK.
L I T T L E W H I T E C U C K B A L L
He didn't watch any damn thing because everything with women is viewed through the lens of his mommy issues.
Best comment I've read all day
"This is not art, this is warnography" said without any hint of irony has to be my favourite "stupid people thinking they are smart" moment. It's astonishing how much idiocy fits into one sentence.
Stefan is one of the goofiest, corniest, and cringiest members of the manosphere. The expression on his face after he said “war-nography” was nauseating. I actually said out loud, “Gross.” That cornball thought his BS was absolute gold.
Later, he probably jerked off to his “brilliance” while trying desperately not to think of how badly he wants to make Rey watch him penetrate the Death Star egg.
This is usually where I would launch into a long rant about the term "Mary Sue" and how goddamned nobody uses it correctly because they don't know what it actually means, but this was over-all a good analysis of the movie with some brilliant rebuttals of the ravings of a crazy person, so I don't feel like calling you out on that one issue because I think you still meant well.
Instead, let me just point one thing out: The whole thing about Rey suddenly becoming miraculously good at using a lightsaber once she starts using the Force? That's _how the Force works._ It is literally the first real thing we learn about the Force, in regards to its mechanics, way back in the first movie.
In A New Hope, while Luke is having his first lesson, Obi-Wan pretty much spells it out. Luke asks "Does the Force control your actions?" and Obi-Wan replied: "Yes, but it also obeys your commands." That is to say, the Force actively guides you while still accounting for whatever it is you want to achieve. He then demonstrates this principle in practice by having Luke do it blindfolded, because Luke's sight is just distracting him from sensing the guidance of the Force.
This is the entire reason Jedi can block blaster bolts: The force actually tells them where the saber needs to go, and all the Jedi has to do is trust in it. Jedi do not actually _need_ to practice combat moves with their sabers. Oh, I'm sure it helps, but it's not the important part. Lightsaber combat is, if anything, more of a meditative spiritual thing.
Which, you know, explains why we never once see Yoda train Luke in using the saber - or why we don't see Luke train with the saber at all, for that matter - even though he's later capable of taking on the far more experienced Vader with a fair amount of competency. It's because the physical skill is kinda unimportant compared to having a strong connection to the Force and the faith and courage to trust in it.
EDIT: Oh, and thanks for pointing out just how messed up Kylo was in the final fight. I would like to add: Right after he beats Finn, he tried to levitate the lightsaber off the ground but fails. This is a guy who can stop a blaster bolt in mid air and hold it there for like a minute, yet at that point in the movie he can't even pull off something as trivial as lifting a flashlight-sized object. They _really_ went out of their way to signal that the guy was in a very, very bad shape and I'm amazed so many people still seem to have failed to notice it.
Star Wars assholes are gonna give me a fucking heart attack one of these days. The movie goes out of its way, multiple times, to show that Kylo Ren is incredibly injured. He’s bleeding out from getting shot by a weapon that the movie goes out of its way to show that it’s extremely powerful. During his fight with Finn, he’s basically playing with him, gets injured cuz he’s fucking around, then immediately dismantled him. Then the lightsaber part that you mentioned, but even then, he stills dominates the fight completely, even going so far as to explain that HE’S NOT ACTUALLY TRYING TO KILL HER. What do these people want? You don’t have to like the movie, obviously, but dislike it for reasons other than bullshit you had to completely clip outta context to get it to fit into whatever view you want. Criticize the acting, the special effects, the cinematography, the story, the characters, like the rest of us normal people. My dad likes TFA, but his enjoyment of the movie is impacted by the fact that it is very similar to A New Hope. That’s something you can do. Personally, I don’t really mind because I’m a Star Wars shill, but seriously, these people need to get a grip.
Sean Locke not only that he uses his saber as a claymore, big heavy slow swings, Rey uses hers essentially as a staff even miscalculation of the reach at the start mostly getting jabs and quick “whacks” in (like in the scene she fights with the staff)
I didn't know that bit about lightsaber fighting. Thank you.
@@beancheesedip8337 Thing is, Ben should have exploded after that shot. Hard to take his weaken state seriously then.
Another random Tristan yeah, I’m more pissed that he didn’t get cut in half by that shot than the fact that Rey actually won the fight.
Wait, he has a daughter? Should I call a child protection agency?
Well, yes probably.
Yeah I pity that kid
Yup. Stefan named her Steve Powers van America-Molyneux
Genuinely cannot listen to Stephan without getting angry
I had to turn him down every time the video cut to him
Been watching too many outraged videos about The Last Jedi, and one particularly egregious “I'm not sexist or racist, but...” person asked people who liked the film to swap all the sexes of the characters and see if feminists still like it then, as if it was some genius 'gotcha!' question to silence SJW's. I thought about it, and swapping the sexes would be bloody fantastic. That would mean the movie would have a majority of women who frequently interact with each other. Also multiple female villains, a hotshot female pilot as a lead, a wise female Jedi master...yes please. It's exactly what I want. Don't think he'd thought that one through (what a shock).
The main result of swapping all the sexes of the characters will of course be that all the blatantly sexist comments about Rey being a too-powerful super competent Mary Sue will instantly disappear, not even occurring to anyone. In fact, if Rey was a boy who did everything exactly the same as Rey played by Daisy Ridley, not only would there obviously be no Mary Sue bullshit, the same outraged fanboys would probably complain that he was too weak.
I see Stefan has put out his Last Jedi video. I wonder in any of it will be in a human language.
"a wise female Jedi master...yes please. It's exactly what I want:" I really want Ahsoka Tano to return in Episode 9 (Even if she would be >70 years old at this point).
This is one of my favorite comments on this video, & there are actually a lot of amazing comments. I love it.
I'd buy THAT for a dollar!
@@vlogenericsrants948 She's an alien, maybe her race ages slower than humans.
@@mattbounds She's also a Jedi, and I'm perfectly willing to believe the that magical space wizards age more slowly. So Ashoka appearance in the future? Yes please.
"If you are a victim, you cannot be a fighter."
Yeah. Tell that to a double amputee that came back from the war in Afghanistan.
I mean what would ya do, slap em?
I think the reason why family life is portrayed as mundane, and humiliating is because it's through Luke's perspective. Kids tend to not really like family life in their early lives and in their teenage years, especially not when they have to work on a farm.
That's a surface reason, but you do have to dig into the authorial reasoning as well. After all, we could easily have rearranged those scenes from another character's perspective, or from a 3rd-person neutral one. Shaun is right, in that it's a deliberate narrative contrivance; Lucas is obsessed with the monomyth, and tries to use it as a roadmap in everything he does.
"Why don't they show the effects of childhood neglect, trauma, etc.?"
*has a character who hasn't coped with said abuses*
"Man this character needs to man up! Get over it!"
Isn't the point of the original Star Wars trilogy that Luke's abandoning of his Aunt and Uncle leads him to finding his true family's lineage, as he tacitly admits he wants to follow in his father's footsteps, and is then confronted with revelations pertaining to such a goal until, finally, he is able to embrace his destiny as laid out by his family's heritage - at terrible personal cost?
Even Force Awakens could be read as pro-family, considering Kylo Ren's rejecting his parentage is what leads him down a path of evil, seemingly securing his own ruination.
It's ridiculous. He totally didn't watch the movie, huh.
I say as both an audio engineer (as in, an engineer by trade) and a Star Wars fan, you've explained this impeccably. For example, of course Rey would know and identify parts as a scrapper. Think of how boring, dangerous a planet must be Jakku. Her whole life is survival, and eating, and to eat she needs to identify parts from old imperial vehicles and the like.
Molyneux's confirmation bias is showing, and it's pathetic.
Wow, this Stefan guy really has a problem with women.
He seems to have a low-key hatred of his parents, too... he would definitely benefit from psychiatric therapy of some kind... he'd be there for years too, so really great for the economy.
I think Moly missed the part where they made three whole additional movies just to give the male villain of the first three a tragic backstory to justify his villainy and set the stage for his eventual redemption.
Dag-Erling Smørgrav Vader as Space Jesus was a mistake
Dammit Lucas
Also as a kid with trauma it's nice to have characters like me who overcome their difficulty and succeed. And have hope.....I didn't need my fantasy books to tell me I'm destined to be a loser with crippling mental problems....I have all of society for that lol.
They gave you the stregth to carry on
I MIGHT DIE LAUGHING FROM THINKING ABOUT STEPHAN MOLYNEAUX PLAYING MACBETH NOW THANKS A LOT.
I can just imagine him back stage crossing out lines and putting in their place '"blink emphatically."
That's Hamlet, not Macbeth. Macbeth is the one with the murdery wife. “Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!” etc.
EDIT: My apologies, for some reason I thought you were paraphrasing the graveyard scene from Hamlet-the skull, not the dagger.
I can imagine, Molyneaux, on the stage, Lady Macbeth trying to convince him to murder, and then he starts monologuing about how this is typical female behavior and they should never have been given any rights at all. And then instead of murder he just blinks emphatically.
Someone please rewrite MacBeth with Stephan Molineaux as the main character! Of course, Lady M wouldn't get much of a soliloquy before he happens onto the scene to start his own. "ACTUALLY..."
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or any Shakespeare Romeo and Juliet, what light through yonder window breaks it is the east and Juliet is a feminist conspiracy to immaculate men as are all women etc
Isn't "Harry Potter and the Crippling Anxiety" basically the plot of Evangelion?
Diego Carnaval Essentially
Diego Carnaval Hell yeah
I need to watch Evangelion now!
jdprettynails If you want to get into Eva, I'd recommend looking up the watch order on r/evangelion, since that often confuses newcomers to the series.
Rei Ah. Thanks for that. I had a similar head explosion moment when I tried to watch Haruhi Suzumiya....chronologically.
3:00 Funny thing is: Journey to the West, the most classic of adventures in existence, has The Monkey King, who really wants to kill everybody in his way, is actively disallowed killing.
In The Hobbit, Bilbo also barely (if ever) kills anybody. Same with Frodo.
Wukong is literally forced by the plot through magic to not murder
I feel dumber after seeing this.
Not because of your analysis and rebuttal Shaun. Those are pretty spot on. Good job.
I feel dumber for having to listen to this Stefan guy's...absolutely gob smacking "criticisms."
Never before have I wanted to grab someone by the collar and slap him across the face punctuating each impact with the words "DID! YOU! ACTUALLY! WATCH! THE! MOVIE?!!"
Or...ANY Star Wars movie for that matter?
Or...ANY movie at all?
Honestly, it's one of moments where you pray the guy is a troll because the possibility someone could be adult and that willfully stupid is too depressing.
You really do us a service wading through his tripe so the rest of us don't have to. Thank you Shaun.
"Hypergamy lasers" is the name of my new Cosmic-Disco-Punk band.
We play every May 4th.
When you explained the fact that Rey's "adoptive parent" used to own the Falcon, suddenly a lot of pieces fell into place. I always found it strange that she knew the ship inside and out, but also just randomly "bumped into it". Now it all makes sense! I must have missed when they mentioned that in the movie....
"Swordfighting is an incredibly difficult skill to master, as I remember from playing Macbeth."
Ladies and gentlemen, Stefan studied the blade.
He's a true gentleman
I very much doubt he's a swordsman. It's over-romanticised as a skill anyway. While some schools (foil, rapier, epee for example) do rely on precision and finesse, you can be a perfectly good swordsman and be subtle as a brick. In the end, all you're doing is hitting your opponent with a big stick. Just one which happens to have a point and/or edge. Hardly nuclear physics.
@@knshinn2 Plus he's only talking about stage fighting. Totally talking out of his ass.
Not to mention Rey has practice and experience with the staff - meaning she has basic hand-eye coordination and balance, which is a good fist step in learning how to use a new weapon. And also she fights Kylo when he's badly wounded and furious - not a good combination, to say the least. And Kylo isn't an amazing swordsman himself - he's competent, but only gets practice smashing consoles and killing unarmed civilians. So when he has his, as far as we know, first ever duel - do we expect him to be able to completely dominate an uninjured opponent with more practical experience in actual melee combat?
There’s no way Molyneux is a real human. He has to be a test tube human. The only way his character would be more hilarious is if he collected katanas
"That's not a message I want sent to my daughter" dear god imagine being this guy's poor daughter....
Angelina Jolie punched someone in a movie so patriarchy can't exist? Goddamn it, Molyneux. Also i assume the "leaving the nest" trope is a relatability thing, like we all eventually have to differentiate our selves from our parents so we can relate to characters taking that step.
Are you a public defender outside of YT? Because you should be. Your attention to detail is outstanding, and I think you have a nice sense of justice. Great content, man.
He's Shaun from the Chase.
Stefan is one of those people I have no qualms about calling entirely morally reprehensible and genuinely mean spirited. What a sad way to think and live.
I mean he is a white supremacists so ya I would tend to agree
I think Stephen is a very weak, insecure man. He has a very warped view of reality. He refuses to see the complexity of human beings, even as they are portrayed as movie characters nor see past his one-dimensional view of women. What a sad life he must live.
Stefan: *Reviews a Star Wars Movie* Do Male villains get the same sympathetic back stories?
Prequels: *Literally exist for this reason*
Don't even need the prequels to sympathise with Vader though. The original trilogy did a decent job giving reasons to feel for or with him.
And, honestly, Ben has an extremely sympathetic backstory.
@@zaferoph This is true it's just that hes picked the worst possible franchise to pick at, where approximately a third of it is spent explaining a the Tragic figure of the main villain.
18:00 Please don't tell me this guy has a daughter.
No he doesn't, he has a project. Thar's what he referred to her as.
+Tasmosunt Jesus Christ I'd hate to be his daughter. Molyneux is against "race mixing" and has implied numerous times that women should not work, and instead all be housewives.
I see it as the same as growing up in the 20s or something.
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It is strange.
In some podcasts he counsels guys to only go with women that have plans to become something in life, study and get a job while the man stays at home( basically according to his own logic, men should be " testosterone based parassites") in others he contraddicts himself and even wants his daughter to be " an estrogen based parasite" that stays at home snd makes kids That is how he calls women.
He continously contraddicts himself.
I will post a link to that podcast.
In a twisted way it makes sense. The only way for both people in a relationship to be jobless home makers is to live In a truly post-scarcity utopia where there would be no need for anyone to work. We'd just have sex and cook. The man's a visionary.
Andrew Blank or delusional. Probably both.
As a woman, I can verify that I have blown up the planet many times.
Yeah I want to like the women, but they keep blowing up the planet. So annoying.
With your state-subsidised hypergamy, apparently
...with your vaigna based laser i presume
Finn is ‘courageous’?! Did you SEE the movie?! Finn wanting to run and live rather than possibly fight and die is an important subplot of the whole movie which is touched upon at multiple times!! Him overcoming his fear is an touchstone of the movie!
Stefan: Women can't fight, and shouldn't be depicted doing so because it's dangerous!!!!!!! It'll give them IDEAS.
Also Sefan: IF THE RATIO OF MEN/WOMEN DEATHS IS UNEVEN IT IS ANTI-MALE.
....What? So, who are these women that are dying then in Stefan's world? If they're not combatants, then CIVILIANS?
Bonus round: Stefan thinking that "men dying for women" is Anti-Male, when the whole point of that narrative trope is the sexist notion that women always need to be saved. I mean, I guess it's technically damaging to men as well, but that's some circular logic right there.
You cant argue about not showing the affects of childhood trauma and then cite harry potter. Half the moral is that Harry and Voldemort were both abused as children and one grew up to be a hero and the other grew up to be magic Hitler
And it is clear to me that what saved Harry was meeting Ron on the Hogwarts Express. It was forming this friendship and Ron telling him about Slytherin's reputation that resulted in Harry being sorted into Gryffindor, putting him on the path of becoming the hero of the story.
@@GermanLeftist I think Draco is also relevant here, as he inadvertently confirmed what Ron had been telling Harry. Not intentionally, mind you, but that does kind of play into his ark through the story.
To be fair, their baseline personalities were rather different. Harry tried to accommodate the unfair behavior of his adoptive family, while Voldemort at the same age was already manipulative and showed overtly sadistic tendencies. Harry used magic impulsively when stressed, while Voldemort had begun to wield it deliberately and in a calculated manner. From what we know of the orphanage it wasn't actively hostile towards Voldemort, just somewhat neglectful as such a place, likely underfunded/understaffed, tends to be. Harry on the other hand was trapped in home that actively hated his existence and who were deliberately repressing his very nature. Another key difference is however briefly he had a family who loved him, where Voldemort did not, at least not in that kind of way.
@@willowarkan2263 yeah but also even ignoring voldemort's story, a frequent theme was harry being tempted by his connection to voldemort to do the wrong thing, but choosing to do the right thing anyway. there's actually a couple quotes directly about how you are defined by your actions, not the things that happen to you
@@vitalyaloves fair. It was Voldemort doing the pulling, it was this supernatural voice that tried pulling him into a darker path, arguably that shows even more strength of character in harry, since he had to contend with an hidden outside force for pretty much his entire life that most others don't.
I'd watch Luke work a boring farm job for two hours. The introductory worldbuilding and tiny troubleshooting slice of life bit at the start of an epic is always my favorite, and I love it when those stories slow down in the middle, and focus on just contemplation and hanging out. I mean, prolonging the boring bits and rushing the spectacle bits is how I play all my fantasy/scifi videogames anyway.
I'm super late on this video but I only recently discovered Shaun... The scary thing is I agree with Stefan when he talks about men being expendable, not because I think movies are trying to say "men are expendable" but because he's misunderstanding what some feminists call "male as the default."
All the grunts and soldiers are men because male is the default. Women don't exist in background scenes unless as a decoration, and they're never grunts unless it's A Thing that "the group is a hot team of badass chix!" You'll never see a bunch of punching bag grunts with women mixed in. This is a feminist issue.
Tbh, 50% of what Stefan says is just feminist arguments repackaged to be about men. So it's like...he gets the feminist arguments and the impact of media, he just doesn't like it. So he makes it a meninism issue instead.