Agreed. I was only just getting started with Doctor Who at the time, but looking back at it now I feel like it was showing us how the Time War reduced everyone who took part in it, even the survivors. Besides, I've heard it said before that depression is rage turned inwards. In that sense, what better fate for the (presumed) last living Dalek?
@@shearrob I've no idea what this guy is on about. Your episode was the ultimate character study of the Daleks. Loved your novelisation of it too, the mutant birthing chapters were particularly harrowing.
The episode Dalek is arguably Christopher ecclestones strongest portrayal of the Doctor depicting at the same time his vengeance and mercy how can it be on this list it generally is one of the best episodes of the revival only bested by Fathers Day in season 1
True - that Dalek Episode was the direction I hoped the new Doctor Who would be going - bit of humour, a LOT of menace. Then it got more and more woke.
Dalek was the episode that really showed how badly the war had damaged the Doctor. I hate how a lot of the time wars are glorified but this episode reminded us war can turn good men into monsters.
The only Eccelston episodes I disliked were the ones with the farting fat green aliens 😂 David was weakest with Martha but at his best with Catherine Tate. Love when Who brings comedians on as companions!! Automatic chemistry to contrast the Doctor's seriousness
@@mikenash7049 I agree, I actually liked the timeless children because it finnaly forced the series to break away from established cannon, which has been a major shackle on the series for some time now. Overall the timelords in general, were horrifically overdone, to the point of them being downright annoying. The whole point of the doctor is to be this nysterious traveler, so every time you see the timelords, there cities or there stories, that mystery begins to eb away until eventually the doctor is so far down to earth, they dont even feel special mysterious anymore. The timeless children fixed that, by making the timelords a footnote in the doctors true history, calling everything, even her own species back into question. The whole point of doctor who, is infinite possibilities, and the timelords just limited there options. I've also enjoyed the new twists they put on old enemies, like how they handled the Dalek, and the lone cyberman still gives me chills. They usually miss when there trying to create some big social commentary, but when there not trying to push some heavy handed message they actually have pretty good writing overall.
I'd say the fanbase is split about 50/50 which is not a good thing. They really dug them selves a whole with that one cause no matter what they do it's probally going to split one side of the fanbase. I think their best bet is just to have the Master be the timeless child which they should of done from the start cause it made the most sense for the context of the characters but either way the whole concept was stupid.
@@MichaelM28 Fans don't have a problem with Jodie. Fans have a problem with Chibs. She could possibly be a good doctor but we don't know cause they hired someone who has crappy writing. BBC really did her a diservice cause they could of made a kickass female doctor if they actually put out the effort to hire the best writers possible. Instead the BBC brought in the most laziest writer ever who just comes up with reused ideas and twists it into his own vision which ends up sucking. We need RTD or Moffatt back :(
7:30 "It served to diminish the threat of Daleks for a few episodes" No it didn't. It LITERALLY did the opposite. Metaltron is actually the most successful killer in the series lmao.
it did when you look at it from the pov of a classic fan watching in 2005. in classic who, they just slaughtered mercilessly. you’d never have a dalek killing itself
@@william...1 afaik, popular culture has rejected Dalekmania era as a fad, with Daleks becoming laughing stocks by this point in time. Shearman actually went to his wife, asked her: "tell me everything non threatening about the daleks", and incorporated everything she mentioned into the episode. Also, a Dalek killing itself because it wasn't pure Dalek? Was it seriously so hard to believe in 2005?
I honestly thought it was the most intimidating Dalek we've seen in nu-Who. Its actual killing was slow and methodical, way more intense than the constant laser blasts you see in more frenetic Dalek episodes. Even if it was going through something of an identity crisis, it was made clear that this was unique to the Dalek' own situation and not indicative of the race as a whole.
@@william...1 this dalek killed 200 people on the base, not just military but scientists. Pretty damn ruthless, even with Tyler DNA slowly changing its genetic coding.
I forget which modern SF disaster it was (not who) , but fan reaction was so bad that Rotten tomatoes was suppressing public votes so people wouldn't know what public reaction actually was. Welcome to 2021--this has all happened before and this will all happen again.
@@Scottlp2 If I recall, it was The Last Jedi. Many Star Wars fans hated the new trilogy. I'm one of the SW fans who actually enjoyed the new films. I also enjoyed Timeless Child, and its taking cues from the Cartmel Masterplan (which I wish he could have done more with after starting in in McCoy's run). I guess some fans just need something to bitch about.
@@calebleland8390 what The Timeless Children did was basically destroy the entirely of Doctor Who history. Of course people will complain about it. It's one reason why I never watched a single episode with Jodie Whittaker.
@@DavidRay39 it didn't destroy anything. It added to the lore, which has happened since the beginning of Doctor Who. You could well say that Regeneration destroyed the show with your logic.
Me too. But then... the master did call it the "lie of the timeless child" that could be read 2 ways. The timelord lied or it's the masters lie and therefore the doctor is not a timeless child. All might not be lost...
Yeah, I find it funny that no-one has considered the possibility of the Master lying to the Doctor about her being the Timeless Child, when it could be him. Think about it; it makes more sense for the Master to destroy Gallifrey and wipe out the Time Lords since they were experimenting on him, then just to add the icing on the cake, he lies to the Doctor and tells her that she's the Timeless Child, when it's really him. Plus, the Master is well known for being a trickster, even more so with the Doctor. The episode is poorly structured, and I think it may fix things, if only slightly, if it turns out that the Master is the Timeless Child, and not the Doctor.
In The End of Time, the 10th Doctor sacrifices his life and a generation to save Wilfred. An old guy, but he does it anyway. In The Timeless Children, Thirteen learns she has infinite lives and can not die, but has Ko Sharmus die instead of her anyway. That was it for me. I'm done with it.
How to fix it. Go back to Capaldi's regeneration have him stop it half way through & do another season or even just a feature length special then have him regenerate into Rupert Grint & say "Finally i'm a ginger"
Great episode. Wasn't it the first introduction of Missy (along with Dark Water)? Fantastic episode. Tbh I thought the idea that the dead are still conscious was very grim, but overall the rest of the double-ep outweighed that.
Chibnall has been possessive over the show since the 1980's, with that ghastly interview with him wearing a loose yellow tie. Being such a superfan hasn't translated into him being a good showrunner. Some good notes, but most of his time has been crap.
I’m kind of shocked Hell Bent didn’t make the list. That episode was heavily criticised for cheapening Clara’s exit, being a massive step down from Heaven Sent, and the Doctor acting “out of character,” and not satisfyingly resolving the season long mystery box of “The Hybrid.” Also yeah, Timeless Children sucked. Even ignoring the lore controversy, it was backstory over character progression, and changed the Doctor from a Time Lord that was different due to their actions into a completely different species that the Time Lords experimented on and exploited. (Aka: a chosen one cliche) On top of that, The Lone Cybermen ultimately plays second fiddle to the Master. He had so much potential.
As a child I thought Doctor Who was about ordinary people becoming heroic without having to be born with superpowers or special gifts. But now the Doctor was special all along. I agree there was no good reason to upset 50 plus years of continuity.
Ik this sounds really harsh but I wasn't fussed on Amy pond, I think she is one of the weeker companions in my opinion, the only companions I dislike more are bill, nardel and the newer companions discluding Graham. I'm not a fan of Yaz and Ryan but I prefer Ryan to yaz which is why I'm sad it will only be yaz and John Bishop next series
"...unfortunately serve to diminish the threat of the Daleks..." -Subverts the stereotype of being a comedy dustbin by crushing a guy's skull with the sucker arm and gunning down a soldier while gliding up a flight of stairs after they both taunt it. -Effortlessly and methodically guns down a squad of soldiers in a corridor before killing dozens more with 3 shots. -Manipulates Rose into pitying it so it could leech off the time energy she gave off. -Chooses self-destruction because it no longer conforms to the Dalek idea of genetic purity. Were people even watching the same episode? This was the ultimate character study of the Daleks. Ruthless, manipulative and deadly creatures that can and will destroy anything that does not conform to the Dalek standard of purity.
#4 - I think this a great episode because it shows a different side of the daleks. The Doctor is emotionally broken and tortured and so is that dalek. I was a sad episode and I almost cried.
@@TheGenuineDWNUT Daleks, bitch. Sorry for my mistake, spelling nazi. You know what the F I'm talking about. I may have misspelled it, but I bet I've been watch DW longer than you've been alive.
@@TheGenuineDWNUT I think that's a bit rude? If you wanted to correct them, you could have done that in a nicer way. Also, maybe their first lenguage is not English, and is very annoying being corrected in *that* way
@@RileyWritey I'm pretty sure it's sarcasm. The video claims this episode diminished the threat of the Daleks. He's pointing out it killed everyone who tried to fight it.
Nope, not once the fact he had limited regeneration was mention in the reboot until The Time of the Doctor. Even in the classic, it's just mention twice. We had to wait until "The Deadly Assassin" in 1976 to learn about the limitation. A limitation that is relevant in only one episode is really not important. Limit or infinite, it really doesn't matter.
Ah the Ruth Doctor. My personal favourite plot hole. How can she have a TARDIS that looks like a police box if she’s meant to be a Doctor from a previous cycle from before Hartnell Doctor even got a TARDIS. And also why is she calling herself the Doctor at all? Wasn’t that something Hartnell decide to call himself?
It was never stated in the show that the Ruth Doctor was a pre-Hartnell Doctor. People just assume that she is. She and her TARDIS fit in between Doctors 2 and 3. The Time Lords forced Troughton's Doctor to start to regenerate and we never see that regeneration complete. When we first see Pertwee's Doctor the regeneration happened off screen. There could be any number of regenerations between Troughton and Pertwee that the Doctor was unaware of because the Time Lords blocked his memory.
@@Tim.Stotelmeyer that’s a real stretch. Why only block a portion of memory? Why not just wipe and restart like they did plenty when the Doctor was at Division? And why is the 3rd Doctor wearing the 2nds clothes in their first appearance? Just a lot of contrivances.
I don't see how being dark ruins death in heaven tbh because I watched it when I was 10 I understood all of it and it didn't seem depressing or scary at all 😂
I always thought Dark Water was the one that went a bit far with the Don't cremate me part. I didn't mind it but it seems very dark for something children are watching.
I want to know how the cat nuns from the first episode of Tennant's first season can look so convincing, yet the squirrel(?) girl in Orphan 55 looks so bad? She's supposed to be some sort of alien yet she just has a fluffy tail tucked into her pants and some low effort face paint, combine that with the two people whose only defining feature is green bowl cuts and the costume department did shockingly bad for that episode. Even classic Who did better.
Honestly just started to think that episode was made to be a B Movie kinda parody That or they blew all the money on the Dreg suits and CG for other episodes
One story that really grinds my gears is Rosa. Not because it's subject is poor (it isn't), but because the level of exposition is teeth-grindingly bad, and goes totally against the most basic maxim of drama writing - show, don't tell.
Exactly, I hate racism as much as the next guy but Rosa handles the subject with about as much delicacy as a bull an a china shop, also the villain is one of the worst ever, some random guy who hates black people because reasons and that's it, like seriously is this a joke!? The abzorbaloff was better
If I am being honest I think thats Chibs best episode which is not saying much. It was a decent episode until the episode played the Rise Up song which then I cringed so much. There should never be a rise up song type of song in Doctor Who. The rest of Chibs episodes are either annoying, confusing, boring or just flat out bad.
@@rockotarsoldaccount Rosa is the only ep of S11 I didn't watch all the way through (not that I'll bother re-watching that season, none of the other eps were anything to talk about either). Got five minutes in and decided 'this ep is going to beat me over the head with its Moral Message, I know exactly where it's going and I can do without that'. And I'm a lefty from way back.
@@cr10001 all I remember from that season is being preached at, wasn’t it the same series as the painfully obvious trump villain and Indian imperialism story? Such a dramatic change from the kind of stories I’ve enjoyed for years
I love how the default picture for the thirteenth doctor has now just because her having a brain aneurysm after reading the script for timeless children.
Agreed. It's such a great episode, I loved its darker tone. That the show was meant for kids is also not really a valid argument. Yes, it started as a show for kids, but Who has been running for so long, that there are fans of pretty much all ages by now. Also I liked that it's a master/missy storyline, where they actually "win" against the Doctor. Also also this episode introduced the "Hey Missy, you're so fine, you're so fine, you blow my mind, hey Missy!" bit XD
100% agreed. The show is not a children show only but has evolved to a show for all ages. And all the religious fanatics that had a problem with the afterlife plot can suck it.
@@Dule810 Besides the whole, "Don't cremate me" thing, it leads you to believe that the afterlife is nothing but a construct of the Master's. That beyond there lies worse than nothing. That the ultimate fate of everyone on Earth is to become part of an alien cyborg army. It's creepy, it's icky, and I don't like it.
“The Audience is beaten over the head” on climate crisis themes in Orphan55? Yeah... because subtlety has famously been a massive success on that front
Orphan 55 is admittedly unsubtle when it comes to its environmental message… but for me, its biggest problem is that it leaves a bigger issue unaddressed: that of colonialism (or perhaps recolonialism). Nobody ever stops to comment that the monsters, however much their physiology has changed from the baseline human form, have more of a right to this planet than the spa-terraformers.
I thought most of Orphan 55 was reasonably good. But the Doctor's speech at the end brings it way down. The lecture wasn't needed. We had just had an entire story already explaining the concept.
Only thing that pissed me off about Sleep no more is the fact they missed the opportunity to air it on Halloween tbh Cos if it was put before the zygon story it would have been on Saturday October 31st
Same here, I loved that two-parter and Missy's reveal was EPIC. She is by far one of the best DW characters ever and they handled her introduction perfectly.
I remember watching "Dalek", having just started watching Doctor Who, and the moment the Dalek referred to Rose as "the woman you love" when speaking to the Doctor made me want to continue watching the series.
While I did expect Orphan 55 and The Timeless CHILD to be on this list, I thought they'd be much higher on the list. Also slightly disappointed to not see Can You Hear Me? on the list. I can't speak for everyone, but I was initially interested to see the show tackle mental health. Not only did they basically ignore the subject, save the odd comment in passing, the way they dealt with the Doctor and Graham at the end... Let's just say, I've never actually been angry at an episode, but how they handled that conversation seriously pissed me off
Talons is et in Victorian London & reflects the attitudes of the time period in which it was set. It is still considered to be one of the best Doctor Who stories ever, despite its flaws.
The timeless children was truly a disaster, lets hope everyone at BBC forgets that even happened and move on with the Doctor as a Gallifreyan Timelord again.
I pretty sure the fact the hartnell was never the first pissed off everyone. I was one of them. And thats pretty much how i felt when finding out jodie would take over. Since then alot of things have gone wrong. There was the doctor episode that reminded me too much of portal.
Resurrection of the daleks won the season 21 poll for best story of the season on broadcast. It beat caves of androzani... Can’t see how that one “pissed” people off. Also. For the twin dilemma. Colin bakers performance at the time was the one thing people actually liked after first broadcast. No mention of love and monsters? Easily the most divisive episode of early NU who. The inclusion of Talons of Weng Chiang also irks me. At the time. This story did not piss people off. It again. Won the season poll and was highly praised.
That episode the Timeless Children could have been something really really good, instead unfortunately it was really really bad, it ruined doctor who for me and I don't think that the problem was with that that they were other doctors before the first, but it completely changed the doctor, gallifreyans and also they are now wiped out now, excellent. And now to the episode Death in Heaven, am I the only one who really liked that finale?
Far as I'm concerned, the series ended at the end of Time of the Doctor. Capaldi was a great actor that had SHIT to work with from the writing room, and Jodie Whittaker can't act to save her life on top of the horrendous writing of Chibnall. If they hire a new lead after Jodie is gone I'll consider watching again. Also, seriously, Helena Bonham Carter should play The Doctor, if they can get her for it.
Yeah, it's "Timeless Child" for me. #1. 100%. With venous hatred I spit upon the hubris to rewrite - poorly - fifty plus years of canon. It undoes Omega, it undoes Timelords inventing black holes, it undoes "temporal radiation," it undoes Rory and Amelia's kid, aka River Song, being born as a Timelord, it undoes River sacrificing her regen ability or transfer the radiation back into Matt Smith's doctor to save him from poison, it undoes the Timelords bestowing a whole new series of regenerations upon Matt's Doctor, and I could easily go on with other lore. Still hoping all this bs is mirror universe type nonsense. Give everyone a goatee, I don't care, but this needs to go away.
It literally undoes nothing, all it does is add to an unseen portion of the Doctor's past. Everything that happened still happened, nothing has changed.
@@jonakarkive No. Just because I don't subscribe to your deliberately pessimistic and fearmongering narrative, that doesn't mean I don't have the right to speak.
@@LaytonMathieson How can you say it changes nothing. That one episode has changed EVERYTHING in lore and in the fandom both for the worse. Before this Who had what was widely known as the greatest and most most welcoming fandom in all of sci-fi, we could hold conversations with fans from Trek & Wars without resorting to base name calling, and we were regarded as highly polite in the convention circuit. BUT since The Timeless Children the fandom has become quite toxic, it actually reminds me of when Trek & Wars start on their who would win debates. As for what the episode has done for the lore and mythology of the show @Nogard Dragon made some excellent points, but there is precedence as mentioned in the video 3:40 this doesn't take away the damage the episode did do the the continued lore of almost 60 years though. It does indeed undo River's sacrifice to 'save' the Doctor and it also retcons the Timelords bestowing a new regeneration cycle onto the Doctor. In fact thinking back why would the Timelords even allow a non-native to become the President (in the Tom Baker era just in case your not up to date with OG Who). I just feel Chibnall had an idea (that could have been done a dozen other ways) and pushed ahead with it knowing that it would spit in the face of every fan that had followed the series from William Hartnell. This episode was entirely catered for the nu-Who/woke fans. This is why comments like yours garner such a hostile reaction. In my opinion Jodie Foster should have been a great Doctor, but the writing and direction of the last two seasons have let her down. I truly feel sorry for her. It isn't Jodie that has ruined Who it is Chibnall, and the sooner he leaves the sooner someone with the talent and love for the show can come in, cleverly retcon everything he has done and make Who great again.
@@darrenchapman2786 Right. A lot to dissect there. All of it utter bullshit. For one, the fandom had devolved into toxicity WAY before The Timeless Children was even a concept. Toxicity has always existed within the Doctor Who fandom, but I can quite confidently track the current spate of toxicity to at least 7-8 years ago, around the time Matt Smith left. And even if you don't want to go that far, people trashed this era as soon as Jodie was announced, there's an undeniable bias from a significant portion of the fanbase. Secondly, you seem to be of the opinion that The Timeless Children somehow makes the Doctor immortal for some reason? But again, utter bullshit. You're choosing to follow that narrative to have an excuse to hate something, when the truth is it doesn't have to be that way. It's entirely possible (and based on the evidence, quite possibly true) that the Doctor isn't immortal. For starters, it's never once stated that the Timeless Child has infinite regenerations, that's something people like you have assumed to fit your narrative. All that is stated is that the Timeless Child was the origin of Time Lord regeneration. In the Brendan scenes, he is forced under a device which suspiciously looks like the chameleon arch (which was also namedropped in Fugitive of the Judoon, so it's still in the mind of Chibnall), so it's a fair assumption that the Timeless Child became the Doctor not only through having their memories wiped, but also by having their biology rewritten into that of an ordinary Gallifreyan, since that is precisely the function of the chameleon arch - to alter memories and rewrite biology. That means the Doctor, just as we have always believed, had been surviving off one regeneration cycle until The Time of the Doctor, so everything you've bitched about regarding River saving him or him getting a new regeneration cycle is complete bollocks. Now it is still entirely possible for the Doctor to have infinite regenerations, because in Hell Bent, Rassilon states that even he doesn't know how many regenerations the Doctor was given in The TIme of the Doctor, so if you really have an issue with that, take it up with Moffat, not Chibnall. But do take a moment to think that what you're essentially getting pissy about is the show having the potential to go on without needing to find a way to beat the regeneration limit again in about 40 years time. Why would any fan complain about the Doctor not dying? But even then, your argument would be redundant because the Doctor CAN die. There are substances which inhibit regeneration to kill a Time Lord permanently, they can be killed in the middle of the regeneration process, they can actively choose to refuse to regenerate and just die. So even if, by some miracle, the Doctor does still have this ALLEGED ability to infinitely regenerate, it doesn't make them immortal. The one part of your comment however that really made me chuckle was the fact that you called Jodie Whittaker "Jodie Foster". If you can't even name the main actress correctly, how do you expect to have any validity whatsoever?
@@drwfigureadventures I don't get L&M's hate. The reveal is absolutely terrible, and it does a terrible job of passing off the absolutely gruesome fates of most of these people (including slab girl) as comedy, but the mystery that lead up to it made for a very enjoyable episode.
The entire timeless child story line was a massive disappointment to this Who fan . I've seen some of the early Dr Who and the really good stories that where hurt by the BBC slashing the budget where still better then the timeless child . Personally I thought death in heaven was a great story but I can see why it caused people to freak a little .
The Rosa Parks Episode should defiantly be on this list... having the doctor and companions be the reason there was no other seat on the bus to make history happen they way it needed to was so bad!!
Personally, I recall the reaction to Dalek being quite the opposite, with many people saying that it restored the sense of menace around them after they had been cheapened by years of exposure.
Twice upon a time made me want to search for missing Hartnell episodes. If the sixth doctor didn't have a silly costume and didn't strangle his companion would the twin dilemma and the sixth doctor be liked? Where's Hell Bent?
The Twin Dilema is disliked because it's crap. It happens to include the strangulation, but that is by no means the reason it's not liked. Using the strangulation as the reason for the purpose of this list is erroneous.
Talons of Weng Chiang is a classic and was filmed in different time. For instance the Oscar winning A passage to India had Alec Guinness playing an Indian and in Lawrence of Arabia he played Prince Faisal. It’s probably my favorite dr who episode of all time.
I guess I can see some 1970s British parents being upset by The Deadly Assassin, but it's obviously one of the greatest series of the classic era. It might be the very best. It's atypical, but it's amazing.
Aside from the obvious choice of "The Timeless Children", I've always found "Let's Kill Hitler" a bit jarring- While I understand that Series 6 was mainly focused on River Song and the background behind that character, the episode should've utilised its eponymous character as a superb antagonist for the heroes, but is instead ridiculed and used for comic relief (although seeing Rory punching Nazis is always entertaining); a lot of the dialogue feels unnaturalistic and forced, with too much emphasis on plot (particularly that of S6 overall) and not enough on story and character. The cast are great to watch (Mels is pretty irritating however), but the episode as a whole is far from Steven Moffat's best: he's done better before and since LKH, but this episode is sadly not one of his better instalments from when he was showrunner.
I think involving Hitler any more than they actually did would've been very risky. First, if the Doc & crew had had any serious interaction with Hitler, there'd be accusations of either retconning or trivialising history (and Hitler's history is very well-known but also a very touchy subject). And if they'd tried to show Hitler as a rounded character, guarantee there would be accusations of being 'soft' on him. And I think he would have taken over the episode. So, landmines everywhere. Best avoided.
Really?! No Hell Bent?! That episode threw away everything Series 9 built up, especially Clara’s death in Face the Raven, the Doctor overcoming his grief in Heaven Sent and the return of Gallifrey, and brings Clara back for no reason, just say goodbye to her for the one millionth time and give her a diner Tardis which was obvious Spin Off bait. Thankfully that never happened. I also remember that episode being incredibly divisive and it still is. But to be fair, it is tame and inconsequential in comparison to The Timeless Children.
Yeah I thought Hell Bent was the worst episode of New Who pre Chibnall era. Super special Clara is just SO important to The Doctor that he's willing to break all the rules for her and to shoot a fellow timelord that isn't even fighting against him? After all his speeches about "I don't like guns" and "when I regenerate everything I am dies" suddenly it's all fine and death is just timelord for man flu? WTF??? And then after all that Clara doesn't even go back to being dead she gets to be basically immortal for as long as she chooses and has an immortal companion and her own TARDIS? So much for anyone learning any lessons here.
The fact that the Dalek acts out of character is the whole POINT of the story! It has been contaminated by Rose’s DNA and is mutating into something else, hence why it starts to feel emotion. As for the ending, the Dalek doesn’t “sacrifice” itself; it commits suicide so it doesn’t evolve into something new. Anything different goes against the Daleks’ in-built belief that they are the superior life forms, so the act of killing itself is very much in character. I suggest you pick up a dictionary and actually look up the definition of the word “sacrifice.”
Exactly. Talons seems mainly to annoy Snowflakes who forget that the story was written over forty years ago and don't realise that it is basically a pastiche of Sax Rohmer's Fu Manchu stories. They also don't seem to realise that the production team tried to get Burt Kwouk to play Chang and that there were very, very few fully trained actors in Equity who were of Chinese decent at that time. The Deadly Assassin only really annoyed Mary Whitehouse and the more rabid fans who complained that the Time Lords weren't as they appeared in The Three Doctors and The War Games. As for the other two stories, I know of no one who is annoyed by them.
The Talons Of Weng Chiang is not only classic Who, but classic television drama....just as Fawlty Towers is classic television comedy.....the snowflakes can complain all they like
Only the perpetually offended Wokies hate Talons, and I don't think that should count on this list. Resurrection of the Daleks was supposed to be grim, so including that one for that reason was stupid. And Deadly Assassin only pissed off Mary Whitehouse.
This! The only people who are pissed off at the Talons episode are the modern virtue signaling sheep trying to claim their 15 pieces of silver. They don't think beyond today's rendition of social justice to see that everything in life evolves. We would not have made the strides in science and society without first dealing with hiccups along the way and bettering ourselves as a result. No one emerges fully formed in life. We learn as we go and, with luck and proper guidance, we become better people. *"A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion."* *-Grantland Rice*
A lot of Chris's episodes belong here, but I can see why some of the older episodes would also be here. I didn't really find Dalek or Death in Heaven all that bad though, in fact I rather liked the new tone they set for the show.
What on earth was so upsetting about Dalek? That was an extremely imaginative storyline. A moment ago we were criticising Doctor #4 for simple stereotyping, now we seem to be complaining because a storyline treats a long-time enemy in more than a simple two-dimensional way
Did 'The talons of Weng-Chang' actually piss people off when it was first aired or is it modern audiences being pissed off at it on viewing it now under modern moral edicts?
the later, same can be said for the Celestial Toy maker, and something is NOT a racial sterio(?) type when it WAS the way things were then. This is 19th century London, filmed in the 1970's
The incredibly shonky rat, was the only thing that annoyed viewers at the time. And the Celestial Toymaker? He's not playing a Chinese person, but merely wearing a Mandarin costume. Michael Gough played him as a very sinister English pantomime villain, one who would kill you, and would have fun doing so. Nothing more, nothing less.
ERROR CORRECTION - "The Deadly Assassin" The shot of the doctor did not immediately cut to black. it ended on a freeze frame with the doctors head underwater. This exaggerated the impression the Doctor had drowned. The complaints raised resulted in the original tapes being re-edited and taking the last few seconds off. (Apparently DVD versions have had this restored)
The Timeless Children should be on the top. Including those extra faces was a damn lazy attempt to explain them taking away the mystery and fun of speculating. So totally unnecessary and The Doctor being the progenitor of the Time Lord race so unoriginal. I'd do over this list again.
The TV movie has nonsense about the turning off the millennium having a physical significance something even fundamentalists Christians would say is not true. The plot is resolved by the Tardis travelling back in time which is gibbberish. The master was put on trial, that’s trial, by the Daleks who then cheerfully let their ancient nemesis pick up the master’s body and so on
@@antonycornell6284 clearly you've never seen Revaluation of the Daleks. The supreme Daleks become a (somewhat) civilised race in that episode and put Davros on trial without killing any humans.
@@MichaelM28 they probably realised it more efficient for them to work with the people of the planet to achieve their man goal than potentially having to fight two factions for one person
Talons of Weng Chiang will never be “consigned to the bin”, outdated stereotypes or not. “The past is a foreign land. They do things differently there”. 1977 was a long time ago. If we judged everything from the past by today’s standards, we wouldn’t watch anything.
"Perhaps wisely enough the Daleks would not return until the Sixth Doctor encountered them....."....a whole 'the very next season' later. Ffs, he regenerated only two stories later. My God you talk some crap to justify these bizarre lists.
It Takes You Away should be on this list. An entire episode about a shit dad, a glorified hallway they call a gave with a moth problem, and a villain that is only a villain by the Doctor just repeating a bedtime story. That’s it. No evidence. Just a conversation telling the viewer what the villain is like they’re reading script to the camera. Just randomly guesses the villain is a conscious universe that has been absent since before creation. Not a bubble universe, or an alternate dimension or anything else previously encountered.
For me the one that did that was Timeless Child. The whole idea just came across as though they were grasping at straws. I actually thought that maybe it was from what happened to the Tenth Doctor's hand. Somehow the episode was a massive letdown to me. I could not convince my husband to actually watch any of the 13th Doctor's stories, he just thought Chibnal ruined the show, and that had nothing to do with all this social justice stuff that had incessantly been thrown in our faces.
actually, they are better than Jonathan Nathan Turner, Russell Davies and Stephen. those three have done their level best to kill off everything that made the doctor so much fun. the character went from the wonder of the exploration of the universe to knowing EVERYTHING but not telling ANYONE until the deaths mounted up. I loathe the know it all doctors.
What about the dumpster fire that was the episode "Kill the Moon". This was the only episode where I felt insulted as someone who watched the whole thing ...
The episode that ticked me off the most when i was younger was hand of fear.. while well written it was the was idea that this was the end of sarah jane as a companion
@10:09 there's a character that was only in this episode/series Resurrection of the DALEKS. She is in the lower right of the screen. She sort of stuck for a bit, but I forgot her. After having had seen her again, I realized now why she sticks out in my memory. She resembles River Song. And I am with another person who made the comment of Doctor Who pulling a Dallas/Newhart stunt; that of the Chibnall period being nothing more than a bad nightmare.
This is the first time I have ever heard anyone being upset by "Dalek." That was a truly amazing episode,IMHO
Yes. At the time, it was unclear whether NuWho was in continuity with the old series. Once that Dalek said "Doctor?" that question was put to rest.
Agreed. I was only just getting started with Doctor Who at the time, but looking back at it now I feel like it was showing us how the Time War reduced everyone who took part in it, even the survivors. Besides, I've heard it said before that depression is rage turned inwards. In that sense, what better fate for the (presumed) last living Dalek?
They just didn't want to fill it with Jodie's episodes. 😂
I must admit - I had no idea it had pissed anyone off particularly. Everyone has always been very nice to me about it!
@@shearrob I've no idea what this guy is on about. Your episode was the ultimate character study of the Daleks. Loved your novelisation of it too, the mutant birthing chapters were particularly harrowing.
I know timeless child will be on here without even watching the video😂
Probably because of the thumbnail, lad.
@@BRFCMontages lmao truuu
Yea same. But tbh it was find the timeless child fine
The timeless child was good! Seriously tho it was
I knew too but I'm honestly surprised it didn't end up closer to number one or even at number one LOL
Dalek stands as one of the greatest dalek episodes in Doctor Who! It shows raw emotion in the Doctor, and shows the faults in both sides
The episode Dalek is arguably Christopher ecclestones strongest portrayal of the Doctor depicting at the same time his vengeance and mercy how can it be on this list it generally is one of the best episodes of the revival only bested by Fathers Day in season 1
True - that Dalek Episode was the direction I hoped the new Doctor Who would be going - bit of humour, a LOT of menace. Then it got more and more woke.
Dalek was the episode that really showed how badly the war had damaged the Doctor. I hate how a lot of the time wars are glorified but this episode reminded us war can turn good men into monsters.
The only Eccelston episodes I disliked were the ones with the farting fat green aliens 😂 David was weakest with Martha but at his best with Catherine Tate. Love when Who brings comedians on as companions!! Automatic chemistry to contrast the Doctor's seriousness
Considering how big it split the fanbase, Timeless Children should have been number one in my opinion.
It wasn't much of a split, it was real fans (99%) vs jodie stans (1%)
@@MichaelM28 Bullshit. I'm a real fan and have been since 1970, and I think it was great.
@@mikenash7049 I agree, I actually liked the timeless children because it finnaly forced the series to break away from established cannon, which has been a major shackle on the series for some time now. Overall the timelords in general, were horrifically overdone, to the point of them being downright annoying. The whole point of the doctor is to be this nysterious traveler, so every time you see the timelords, there cities or there stories, that mystery begins to eb away until eventually the doctor is so far down to earth, they dont even feel special mysterious anymore. The timeless children fixed that, by making the timelords a footnote in the doctors true history, calling everything, even her own species back into question. The whole point of doctor who, is infinite possibilities, and the timelords just limited there options. I've also enjoyed the new twists they put on old enemies, like how they handled the Dalek, and the lone cyberman still gives me chills. They usually miss when there trying to create some big social commentary, but when there not trying to push some heavy handed message they actually have pretty good writing overall.
I'd say the fanbase is split about 50/50 which is not a good thing. They really dug them selves a whole with that one cause no matter what they do it's probally going to split one side of the fanbase. I think their best bet is just to have the Master be the timeless child which they should of done from the start cause it made the most sense for the context of the characters but either way the whole concept was stupid.
@@MichaelM28 Fans don't have a problem with Jodie. Fans have a problem with Chibs. She could possibly be a good doctor but we don't know cause they hired someone who has crappy writing. BBC really did her a diservice cause they could of made a kickass female doctor if they actually put out the effort to hire the best writers possible. Instead the BBC brought in the most laziest writer ever who just comes up with reused ideas and twists it into his own vision which ends up sucking. We need RTD or Moffatt back :(
7:30 "It served to diminish the threat of Daleks for a few episodes"
No it didn't.
It LITERALLY did the opposite. Metaltron is actually the most successful killer in the series lmao.
it did when you look at it from the pov of a classic fan watching in 2005. in classic who, they just slaughtered mercilessly. you’d never have a dalek killing itself
@@william...1 afaik, popular culture has rejected Dalekmania era as a fad, with Daleks becoming laughing stocks by this point in time.
Shearman actually went to his wife, asked her: "tell me everything non threatening about the daleks", and incorporated everything she mentioned into the episode.
Also, a Dalek killing itself because it wasn't pure Dalek? Was it seriously so hard to believe in 2005?
I honestly thought it was the most intimidating Dalek we've seen in nu-Who. Its actual killing was slow and methodical, way more intense than the constant laser blasts you see in more frenetic Dalek episodes. Even if it was going through something of an identity crisis, it was made clear that this was unique to the Dalek' own situation and not indicative of the race as a whole.
Agreed. The Daleks badly needed to be made a threat again. "Dalek" accomplished that in spades.
@@william...1 this dalek killed 200 people on the base, not just military but scientists. Pretty damn ruthless, even with Tyler DNA slowly changing its genetic coding.
Dalek is a boss episode. One of New-Who's best. Who did it piss off?
jubilee fans ?
@@persines728 despite being written by the same guy
Some people didn't like seeing a darker side of the Doctor because he should be a 'hero' which is ludicrous in my mind but there you go
The fact that Love and Monsters never made this list, but Dalek did kind of makes me scratch my head.
@@lordevyl8317 completely negates the whole list.
How can you take any list seriously that has Dalek on it unless that list is best of NuWho.
Ah yes, one lone dalek single handedly massacring a whole base of soldiers really "diminished the threat of the daleks"
Anyone else scratching their head and thinking "Why is Timeless Child so low on the list"?
I forget which modern SF disaster it was (not who) , but fan reaction was so bad that Rotten tomatoes was suppressing public votes so people wouldn't know what public reaction actually was. Welcome to 2021--this has all happened before and this will all happen again.
It's a list of 10 episodes, not a top 10 episodes list
@@Scottlp2 If I recall, it was The Last Jedi. Many Star Wars fans hated the new trilogy. I'm one of the SW fans who actually enjoyed the new films. I also enjoyed Timeless Child, and its taking cues from the Cartmel Masterplan (which I wish he could have done more with after starting in in McCoy's run). I guess some fans just need something to bitch about.
@@calebleland8390 what The Timeless Children did was basically destroy the entirely of Doctor Who history. Of course people will complain about it. It's one reason why I never watched a single episode with Jodie Whittaker.
@@DavidRay39 it didn't destroy anything. It added to the lore, which has happened since the beginning of Doctor Who. You could well say that Regeneration destroyed the show with your logic.
Timeless Child: this has gotten under my skin and went through 5 different stages of grief for about 3 months
Me too. But then... the master did call it the "lie of the timeless child" that could be read 2 ways. The timelord lied or it's the masters lie and therefore the doctor is not a timeless child. All might not be lost...
I think the Master lied and tampered with the Matrix. He’s done it before.
Not everything is as it seems. I hope we eventually learn the real truth.
Yeah, I find it funny that no-one has considered the possibility of the Master lying to the Doctor about her being the Timeless Child, when it could be him. Think about it; it makes more sense for the Master to destroy Gallifrey and wipe out the Time Lords since they were experimenting on him, then just to add the icing on the cake, he lies to the Doctor and tells her that she's the Timeless Child, when it's really him. Plus, the Master is well known for being a trickster, even more so with the Doctor. The episode is poorly structured, and I think it may fix things, if only slightly, if it turns out that the Master is the Timeless Child, and not the Doctor.
In The End of Time, the 10th Doctor sacrifices his life and a generation to save Wilfred. An old guy, but he does it anyway.
In The Timeless Children, Thirteen learns she has infinite lives and can not die, but has Ko Sharmus die instead of her anyway. That was it for me. I'm done with it.
I thought the first episode with the Dalek's in New Who was a good episode
Same, it's explained why the Dalek was feeling emotion it's because it fed on the DNA of Rose, it's not like the Dalek became like that for no reason.
@@UrdnotWrex88 yeah
The fact that Dalek made this list, but Love and Monsters or The Power of Three did not kind of makes me scratch my head
@@lordevyl8317 I know it's weird
It was amazing idk how timeless child ranks higher than it
"The Timeless Children" - you can't undo that level of damage. Bobby's not going to be in the shower in the morning.
Upvoting for Dallas reference
The TC has to be corrected or the show is doomed.
You can retcon it by saying the whole of Jodie's tenure takes place in the matrix. Also the Master is notorious for lying.
How to fix it. Go back to Capaldi's regeneration have him stop it half way through & do another season or even just a feature length special then have him regenerate into Rupert Grint & say "Finally i'm a ginger"
Timeless child should have been 1, 2 and 3
And also 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10.
@@SG-fn1be aw. I was trying to be nice here 🤣
*sees Dalek on the list*
Me: Wot?
Ikr. I really like that episode
that was a really good ninth doctor episode.
@@willhuey4891 agreed
@@thegayone1911 It's one of my fav 9 episode's
Its in my top 5, I'm 11 byw
I thought death in heaven was excellent, spooky and sad
One of my favorite
TBH I thought it was terrible, but that's just my opinion
Same
Great episode. Wasn't it the first introduction of Missy (along with Dark Water)? Fantastic episode. Tbh I thought the idea that the dead are still conscious was very grim, but overall the rest of the double-ep outweighed that.
Given Chibnall's track record, Series 13 will probably change this list.
Every episode re-writes the timeline and cannon 😂
Chibnall has been possessive over the show since the 1980's, with that ghastly interview with him wearing a loose yellow tie. Being such a superfan hasn't translated into him being a good showrunner. Some good notes, but most of his time has been crap.
@@owenshebbeare2999 he's definitely not a fan anymore
bro chibnall should be retconned. Richard ayoade should be the Dr lo
@@owenshebbeare2999 not most of his time - all of his time.
I’m kind of shocked Hell Bent didn’t make the list. That episode was heavily criticised for cheapening Clara’s exit, being a massive step down from Heaven Sent, and the Doctor acting “out of character,” and not satisfyingly resolving the season long mystery box of “The Hybrid.”
Also yeah, Timeless Children sucked. Even ignoring the lore controversy, it was backstory over character progression, and changed the Doctor from a Time Lord that was different due to their actions into a completely different species that the Time Lords experimented on and exploited. (Aka: a chosen one cliche) On top of that, The Lone Cybermen ultimately plays second fiddle to the Master. He had so much potential.
As a child I thought Doctor Who was about ordinary people becoming heroic without having to be born with superpowers or special gifts. But now the Doctor was special all along. I agree there was no good reason to upset 50 plus years of continuity.
the doctor being the timeless child doesn't take away anything, it didn't change his morals or something like that, and he was never ordinary lmao
The Master just kills him off and has this stupid ass plot of time lord cybermen.
Amy and Rory zapped by the Weeping angels in the cemetery
I wasn't ready for them to go
Meh, I mean the saddest but was the doctors reaction
I hate that episode.
Nobody was. Not like that. Brilliant writing where The Doctor is truly helpless, but damn...
Ik this sounds really harsh but I wasn't fussed on Amy pond, I think she is one of the weeker companions in my opinion, the only companions I dislike more are bill, nardel and the newer companions discluding Graham. I'm not a fan of Yaz and Ryan but I prefer Ryan to yaz which is why I'm sad it will only be yaz and John Bishop next series
Why couldn't the Doctor land in New Jersey and take a bus? I thought the whole "he can never see them again" thing was stupid.
"...unfortunately serve to diminish the threat of the Daleks..."
-Subverts the stereotype of being a comedy dustbin by crushing a guy's skull with the sucker arm and gunning down a soldier while gliding up a flight of stairs after they both taunt it.
-Effortlessly and methodically guns down a squad of soldiers in a corridor before killing dozens more with 3 shots.
-Manipulates Rose into pitying it so it could leech off the time energy she gave off.
-Chooses self-destruction because it no longer conforms to the Dalek idea of genetic purity.
Were people even watching the same episode? This was the ultimate character study of the Daleks. Ruthless, manipulative and deadly creatures that can and will destroy anything that does not conform to the Dalek standard of purity.
#4 - I think this a great episode because it shows a different side of the daleks. The Doctor is emotionally broken and tortured and so is that dalek. I was a sad episode and I almost cried.
What's a "Dialek"? I've never heard of them before
@@TheGenuineDWNUT Daleks, bitch. Sorry for my mistake, spelling nazi. You know what the F I'm talking about. I may have misspelled it, but I bet I've been watch DW longer than you've been alive.
@@TheLadiGigi Man, Can't be snarky anymore without being called a spelling nazi and a bitch
@@TheLadiGigi Isn't it 'Lady' and not 'Ladi' in your name?
@@TheGenuineDWNUT I think that's a bit rude? If you wanted to correct them, you could have done that in a nicer way. Also, maybe their first lenguage is not English, and is very annoying being corrected in *that* way
Anyone who was pissed off by the episode Dalek, clearly suffers from brain damage and shouldn't be listened to.
I think it massacring every person who tried to stand against it really diminished the fear factor
@@freesciencelessons5100
...what?
I've never heard of anyone complain about this episode before, its one of the best Dalek episodes in my opinion
@@ciandavies835 Exactly. It's always spoken about as one of the best episodes.
@@RileyWritey I'm pretty sure it's sarcasm. The video claims this episode diminished the threat of the Daleks. He's pointing out it killed everyone who tried to fight it.
Is the Chibbers era counted, otherwise the whole video could be made from every single episode since he took command
Not all of it, but definitely most of it.
@@owenshebbeare2999 No, ALL of it!
@@MichaelM28 no.
Why isn’t The Timeless Child #1 ??
Timeless child just ruined the last 50 years because the point was the doctor had I limit on regeneration but now they have infinite
Except for the small fact that we still don't know if anything the Master has said is true - especially about the Doctor being the Timeless Child.
the timelords altered ruth’s dna after capturing her, that’s why they only have 12 now... not hard to understand
Nope, not once the fact he had limited regeneration was mention in the reboot until The Time of the Doctor. Even in the classic, it's just mention twice. We had to wait until "The Deadly Assassin" in 1976 to learn about the limitation. A limitation that is relevant in only one episode is really not important. Limit or infinite, it really doesn't matter.
@@william...1 she's not the Doctor!
@@NicoFiction the limit was canonised in The Deadly Assassin and referenced again in the TV Movie and Time of the Doctor! It's canon dumbass!
Ah the Ruth Doctor. My personal favourite plot hole.
How can she have a TARDIS that looks like a police box if she’s meant to be a Doctor from a previous cycle from before Hartnell Doctor even got a TARDIS. And also why is she calling herself the Doctor at all? Wasn’t that something Hartnell decide to call himself?
yeah,like I love her as the doctor she was very refreshing as she felt like the doctor but pre hartnell?? hmm
It was never stated in the show that the Ruth Doctor was a pre-Hartnell Doctor. People just assume that she is. She and her TARDIS fit in between Doctors 2 and 3. The Time Lords forced Troughton's Doctor to start to regenerate and we never see that regeneration complete. When we first see Pertwee's Doctor the regeneration happened off screen. There could be any number of regenerations between Troughton and Pertwee that the Doctor was unaware of because the Time Lords blocked his memory.
@@Tim.Stotelmeyer that’s a real stretch. Why only block a portion of memory? Why not just wipe and restart like they did plenty when the Doctor was at Division? And why is the 3rd Doctor wearing the 2nds clothes in their first appearance?
Just a lot of contrivances.
I don't see how being dark ruins death in heaven tbh because I watched it when I was 10 I understood all of it and it didn't seem depressing or scary at all 😂
I was like 7 and I was having a great time.
Yes! I loved this episode actually and I really liked the way it was depicted
@@islaburchell-gray3048 ikr
Oooooh youre so tough 😂
I always thought Dark Water was the one that went a bit far with the Don't cremate me part. I didn't mind it but it seems very dark for something children are watching.
The faces in Morbius weren't 'retroactive' - they were considered to be previous incarnations AT THE TIME.
I want to know how the cat nuns from the first episode of Tennant's first season can look so convincing, yet the squirrel(?) girl in Orphan 55 looks so bad? She's supposed to be some sort of alien yet she just has a fluffy tail tucked into her pants and some low effort face paint, combine that with the two people whose only defining feature is green bowl cuts and the costume department did shockingly bad for that episode. Even classic Who did better.
Honestly just started to think that episode was made to be a B Movie kinda parody
That or they blew all the money on the Dreg suits and CG for other episodes
The amount of thumbnails with that image on UA-cam
Come on, I absolutely love "Dalek." It's one of my favorite episodes.
One story that really grinds my gears is Rosa. Not because it's subject is poor (it isn't), but because the level of exposition is teeth-grindingly bad, and goes totally against the most basic maxim of drama writing - show, don't tell.
Exactly, I hate racism as much as the next guy but Rosa handles the subject with about as much delicacy as a bull an a china shop, also the villain is one of the worst ever, some random guy who hates black people because reasons and that's it, like seriously is this a joke!? The abzorbaloff was better
If I am being honest I think thats Chibs best episode which is not saying much. It was a decent episode until the episode played the Rise Up song which then I cringed so much. There should never be a rise up song type of song in Doctor Who. The rest of Chibs episodes are either annoying, confusing, boring or just flat out bad.
@@rockotarsoldaccount Rosa is the only ep of S11 I didn't watch all the way through (not that I'll bother re-watching that season, none of the other eps were anything to talk about either). Got five minutes in and decided 'this ep is going to beat me over the head with its Moral Message, I know exactly where it's going and I can do without that'. And I'm a lefty from way back.
@@cr10001 all I remember from that season is being preached at, wasn’t it the same series as the painfully obvious trump villain and Indian imperialism story? Such a dramatic change from the kind of stories I’ve enjoyed for years
I love how the default picture for the thirteenth doctor has now just because her having a brain aneurysm after reading the script for timeless children.
Dalek is 10/10
Don’t know what people have against it
Death in Heaven does not deserve to be on this list and so high up, that was an awesome episode!
Agreed. It's such a great episode, I loved its darker tone. That the show was meant for kids is also not really a valid argument. Yes, it started as a show for kids, but Who has been running for so long, that there are fans of pretty much all ages by now. Also I liked that it's a master/missy storyline, where they actually "win" against the Doctor.
Also also this episode introduced the "Hey Missy, you're so fine, you're so fine, you blow my mind, hey Missy!" bit XD
100% agreed. The show is not a children show only but has evolved to a show for all ages. And all the religious fanatics that had a problem with the afterlife plot can suck it.
It was nasty.
Could you elaborate?
@@Dule810 Besides the whole, "Don't cremate me" thing, it leads you to believe that the afterlife is nothing but a construct of the Master's. That beyond there lies worse than nothing. That the ultimate fate of everyone on Earth is to become part of an alien cyborg army. It's creepy, it's icky, and I don't like it.
Dalek and Death in Heaven are two great episodes.
I am Asian and Talons was one of my favorites watched behind a armchair when I was a kid lol
Same I like laughing at the costume
I had no problems with Talon either and I'm Asian.
“The Audience is beaten over the head” on climate crisis themes in Orphan55?
Yeah... because subtlety has famously been a massive success on that front
Orphan 55 is admittedly unsubtle when it comes to its environmental message… but for me, its biggest problem is that it leaves a bigger issue unaddressed: that of colonialism (or perhaps recolonialism). Nobody ever stops to comment that the monsters, however much their physiology has changed from the baseline human form, have more of a right to this planet than the spa-terraformers.
I thought most of Orphan 55 was reasonably good. But the Doctor's speech at the end brings it way down. The lecture wasn't needed. We had just had an entire story already explaining the concept.
Only thing that pissed me off about Sleep no more is the fact they missed the opportunity to air it on Halloween tbh
Cos if it was put before the zygon story it would have been on Saturday October 31st
I’ve thought for years that there should be a specific Halloween episode. Maybe after Chibnall has fucked off though. 🎃
@@mgthestrange9098 don't get angry about unrelated stuff
The Deadly Assassin? That's one of the best classic Who episodes.
Who else thought this list was going to be a 13th doctor bashing vid????
I was hoping it was but this guy is a jodie bot
@@MichaelM28 you’re a sad weird individual if ya respond to every comment regarding 13 like this tbh
One look at the title and I think most people were thinking of timeless child, and the thumbnail is exactly how they felt after watching it😅🤣😊
I hated "The Timeless Child" but there were some great aspects to that episode
I had no idea Death In Heaven was received in that way. I thought it was a great Doctor Who finale.
Same here, I loved that two-parter and Missy's reveal was EPIC. She is by far one of the best DW characters ever and they handled her introduction perfectly.
How is the timeless children only 7th?
As soon as i saw the title i thought timeless would be number 1😂
@@warrenny1168 lol yh me too
I WAS SO ANGRY WHEN SHE SHOT MY FEZ
Hey there
@@lenners9701 GERONIMO
@@RaggedyDoctor11 ALONZI
I remember watching "Dalek", having just started watching Doctor Who, and the moment the Dalek referred to Rose as "the woman you love" when speaking to the Doctor made me want to continue watching the series.
While I did expect Orphan 55 and The Timeless CHILD to be on this list, I thought they'd be much higher on the list.
Also slightly disappointed to not see Can You Hear Me? on the list. I can't speak for everyone, but I was initially interested to see the show tackle mental health. Not only did they basically ignore the subject, save the odd comment in passing, the way they dealt with the Doctor and Graham at the end... Let's just say, I've never actually been angry at an episode, but how they handled that conversation seriously pissed me off
You mean to tell me that Dalek, one of the best episodes pissed people off more than the timeless children? Yeah no chance lol
Resurrection of the Daleks is underrated as hell
LOVE it!
Totally agree. Think it's a fantastic story. It's one of my favourite Dalek stories.
Talons is et in Victorian London & reflects the attitudes of the time period in which it was set. It is still considered to be one of the best Doctor Who stories ever, despite its flaws.
The timeless children was truly a disaster, lets hope everyone at BBC forgets that even happened and move on with the Doctor as a Gallifreyan Timelord again.
I pretty sure the fact the hartnell was never the first pissed off everyone. I was one of them. And thats pretty much how i felt when finding out jodie would take over. Since then alot of things have gone wrong. There was the doctor episode that reminded me too much of portal.
Resurrection of the daleks won the season 21 poll for best story of the season on broadcast. It beat caves of androzani...
Can’t see how that one “pissed” people off.
Also. For the twin dilemma. Colin bakers performance at the time was the one thing people actually liked after first broadcast.
No mention of love and monsters? Easily the most divisive episode of early NU who.
The inclusion of Talons of Weng Chiang also irks me. At the time. This story did not piss people off. It again. Won the season poll and was highly praised.
The only reason I don't have negative feelings about sleep no more is the fact that I got to hear mr sandman and that made me forget any problems
Talons will always be one of my all time favourite Doctor Who stories, up there with Enemy of the World, Inferno and Seeds of Doom.
That episode the Timeless Children could have been something really really good, instead unfortunately it was really really bad, it ruined doctor who for me and I don't think that the problem was with that that they were other doctors before the first, but it completely changed the doctor, gallifreyans and also they are now wiped out now, excellent. And now to the episode Death in Heaven, am I the only one who really liked that finale?
Far as I'm concerned, the series ended at the end of Time of the Doctor. Capaldi was a great actor that had SHIT to work with from the writing room, and Jodie Whittaker can't act to save her life on top of the horrendous writing of Chibnall. If they hire a new lead after Jodie is gone I'll consider watching again.
Also, seriously, Helena Bonham Carter should play The Doctor, if they can get her for it.
That...would be very interesting lol 😂
Capaldi’s portrayal of The Doctor is absolutely sublime, but the dark and brooding tone of his seasons really set him back.
@@DoctorBatmanMD It was so many things. Capaldi couldn't carry the show, even if he did an amazing job as The Doctor.
no.
Yeah, it's "Timeless Child" for me. #1. 100%. With venous hatred I spit upon the hubris to rewrite - poorly - fifty plus years of canon. It undoes Omega, it undoes Timelords inventing black holes, it undoes "temporal radiation," it undoes Rory and Amelia's kid, aka River Song, being born as a Timelord, it undoes River sacrificing her regen ability or transfer the radiation back into Matt Smith's doctor to save him from poison, it undoes the Timelords bestowing a whole new series of regenerations upon Matt's Doctor, and I could easily go on with other lore. Still hoping all this bs is mirror universe type nonsense. Give everyone a goatee, I don't care, but this needs to go away.
It literally undoes nothing, all it does is add to an unseen portion of the Doctor's past. Everything that happened still happened, nothing has changed.
@@LaytonMathieson Shut up.
@@jonakarkive No. Just because I don't subscribe to your deliberately pessimistic and fearmongering narrative, that doesn't mean I don't have the right to speak.
@@LaytonMathieson How can you say it changes nothing. That one episode has changed EVERYTHING in lore and in the fandom both for the worse. Before this Who had what was widely known as the greatest and most most welcoming fandom in all of sci-fi, we could hold conversations with fans from Trek & Wars without resorting to base name calling, and we were regarded as highly polite in the convention circuit. BUT since The Timeless Children the fandom has become quite toxic, it actually reminds me of when Trek & Wars start on their who would win debates. As for what the episode has done for the lore and mythology of the show @Nogard Dragon made some excellent points, but there is precedence as mentioned in the video 3:40 this doesn't take away the damage the episode did do the the continued lore of almost 60 years though. It does indeed undo River's sacrifice to 'save' the Doctor and it also retcons the Timelords bestowing a new regeneration cycle onto the Doctor. In fact thinking back why would the Timelords even allow a non-native to become the President (in the Tom Baker era just in case your not up to date with OG Who). I just feel Chibnall had an idea (that could have been done a dozen other ways) and pushed ahead with it knowing that it would spit in the face of every fan that had followed the series from William Hartnell. This episode was entirely catered for the nu-Who/woke fans. This is why comments like yours garner such a hostile reaction. In my opinion Jodie Foster should have been a great Doctor, but the writing and direction of the last two seasons have let her down. I truly feel sorry for her. It isn't Jodie that has ruined Who it is Chibnall, and the sooner he leaves the sooner someone with the talent and love for the show can come in, cleverly retcon everything he has done and make Who great again.
@@darrenchapman2786 Right. A lot to dissect there. All of it utter bullshit. For one, the fandom had devolved into toxicity WAY before The Timeless Children was even a concept. Toxicity has always existed within the Doctor Who fandom, but I can quite confidently track the current spate of toxicity to at least 7-8 years ago, around the time Matt Smith left. And even if you don't want to go that far, people trashed this era as soon as Jodie was announced, there's an undeniable bias from a significant portion of the fanbase.
Secondly, you seem to be of the opinion that The Timeless Children somehow makes the Doctor immortal for some reason? But again, utter bullshit. You're choosing to follow that narrative to have an excuse to hate something, when the truth is it doesn't have to be that way. It's entirely possible (and based on the evidence, quite possibly true) that the Doctor isn't immortal. For starters, it's never once stated that the Timeless Child has infinite regenerations, that's something people like you have assumed to fit your narrative. All that is stated is that the Timeless Child was the origin of Time Lord regeneration. In the Brendan scenes, he is forced under a device which suspiciously looks like the chameleon arch (which was also namedropped in Fugitive of the Judoon, so it's still in the mind of Chibnall), so it's a fair assumption that the Timeless Child became the Doctor not only through having their memories wiped, but also by having their biology rewritten into that of an ordinary Gallifreyan, since that is precisely the function of the chameleon arch - to alter memories and rewrite biology. That means the Doctor, just as we have always believed, had been surviving off one regeneration cycle until The Time of the Doctor, so everything you've bitched about regarding River saving him or him getting a new regeneration cycle is complete bollocks. Now it is still entirely possible for the Doctor to have infinite regenerations, because in Hell Bent, Rassilon states that even he doesn't know how many regenerations the Doctor was given in The TIme of the Doctor, so if you really have an issue with that, take it up with Moffat, not Chibnall. But do take a moment to think that what you're essentially getting pissy about is the show having the potential to go on without needing to find a way to beat the regeneration limit again in about 40 years time. Why would any fan complain about the Doctor not dying? But even then, your argument would be redundant because the Doctor CAN die. There are substances which inhibit regeneration to kill a Time Lord permanently, they can be killed in the middle of the regeneration process, they can actively choose to refuse to regenerate and just die. So even if, by some miracle, the Doctor does still have this ALLEGED ability to infinitely regenerate, it doesn't make them immortal.
The one part of your comment however that really made me chuckle was the fact that you called Jodie Whittaker "Jodie Foster". If you can't even name the main actress correctly, how do you expect to have any validity whatsoever?
The fifth doctor is always thought of as the “nice doctor” but in his one encounter with the daleks, he throws one out of a window.
"Love and Monsters" was flat out stupid. It, and "Sleep no more" are the two episodes I will NEVER watch again.
Give L&M another go... it shows such a human PoV and the Jackie scenes are really emotional... it’s silly at the end but I can’t help but love it!
@@drwfigureadventures I don't get L&M's hate. The reveal is absolutely terrible, and it does a terrible job of passing off the absolutely gruesome fates of most of these people (including slab girl) as comedy, but the mystery that lead up to it made for a very enjoyable episode.
Ahh, Mary Whitehouse, the most epically unwanted moral busybody to inflict herself on British television.
The entire timeless child story line was a massive disappointment to this Who fan . I've seen some of the early Dr Who and the really good stories that where hurt by the BBC slashing the budget where still better then the timeless child . Personally I thought death in heaven was a great story but I can see why it caused people to freak a little .
The Rosa Parks Episode should defiantly be on this list... having the doctor and companions be the reason there was no other seat on the bus to make history happen they way it needed to was so bad!!
I definitely agree! I really expected Rose and The arachnids of the UK to be here!
I must be wired backwards. Rosa, Arachnids in the UK, and It Takes You Away were my favorite episodes of series 11.
Personally, I recall the reaction to Dalek being quite the opposite, with many people saying that it restored the sense of menace around them after they had been cheapened by years of exposure.
Hungry Earth/Cold Blood for making the Silurians look like any old Star trek reptiloid race
it made them look WAY too human. also, another silurian story that pised people off is warriors of the deep, that was a disaster
@@danielbridger7113 The story for WOTD is great, but yeah the short production time did not help at all
(I've just watched the DVD lol)
@@WhiskeyBrewer it’s my guilty pleasure tbh
Twice upon a time made me want to search for missing Hartnell episodes. If the sixth doctor didn't have a silly costume and didn't strangle his companion would the twin dilemma and the sixth doctor be liked? Where's Hell Bent?
The Twin Dilema is disliked because it's crap. It happens to include the strangulation, but that is by no means the reason it's not liked. Using the strangulation as the reason for the purpose of this list is erroneous.
Hell Bent is bloody amazing
That "don't cremate me" scene is one of the most uncomfortable scenes I've ever seen in any media ever
Every Chibnall Episode!!!!!
Talons of Weng Chiang is a classic and was filmed in different time. For instance the Oscar winning A passage to India had Alec Guinness playing an Indian and in Lawrence of Arabia he played Prince Faisal. It’s probably my favorite dr who episode of all time.
I guess I can see some 1970s British parents being upset by The Deadly Assassin, but it's obviously one of the greatest series of the classic era. It might be the very best. It's atypical, but it's amazing.
At least the "Deadly Assassin" created "The Matrix" for posterity...
Aside from the obvious choice of "The Timeless Children", I've always found "Let's Kill Hitler" a bit jarring-
While I understand that Series 6 was mainly focused on River Song and the background behind that character, the episode should've utilised its eponymous character as a superb antagonist for the heroes, but is instead ridiculed and used for comic relief (although seeing Rory punching Nazis is always entertaining); a lot of the dialogue feels unnaturalistic and forced, with too much emphasis on plot (particularly that of S6 overall) and not enough on story and character.
The cast are great to watch (Mels is pretty irritating however), but the episode as a whole is far from Steven Moffat's best: he's done better before and since LKH, but this episode is sadly not one of his better instalments from when he was showrunner.
I think involving Hitler any more than they actually did would've been very risky. First, if the Doc & crew had had any serious interaction with Hitler, there'd be accusations of either retconning or trivialising history (and Hitler's history is very well-known but also a very touchy subject). And if they'd tried to show Hitler as a rounded character, guarantee there would be accusations of being 'soft' on him. And I think he would have taken over the episode. So, landmines everywhere. Best avoided.
Really?! No Hell Bent?! That episode threw away everything Series 9 built up, especially Clara’s death in Face the Raven, the Doctor overcoming his grief in Heaven Sent and the return of Gallifrey, and brings Clara back for no reason, just say goodbye to her for the one millionth time and give her a diner Tardis which was obvious Spin Off bait. Thankfully that never happened. I also remember that episode being incredibly divisive and it still is. But to be fair, it is tame and inconsequential in comparison to The Timeless Children.
The timeless child erases that too
Fantastic ep, and delightful to watch after the very grim (but good) Heaven Sent. One of the best series finales in all of nuWho.
Yeah I thought Hell Bent was the worst episode of New Who pre Chibnall era. Super special Clara is just SO important to The Doctor that he's willing to break all the rules for her and to shoot a fellow timelord that isn't even fighting against him? After all his speeches about "I don't like guns" and "when I regenerate everything I am dies" suddenly it's all fine and death is just timelord for man flu? WTF??? And then after all that Clara doesn't even go back to being dead she gets to be basically immortal for as long as she chooses and has an immortal companion and her own TARDIS? So much for anyone learning any lessons here.
The fact that the Dalek acts out of character is the whole POINT of the story! It has been contaminated by Rose’s DNA and is mutating into something else, hence why it starts to feel emotion. As for the ending, the Dalek doesn’t “sacrifice” itself; it commits suicide so it doesn’t evolve into something new. Anything different goes against the Daleks’ in-built belief that they are the superior life forms, so the act of killing itself is very much in character. I suggest you pick up a dictionary and actually look up the definition of the word “sacrifice.”
This whole list should just be jodie's whole run...
The Talons of Weng-Chiang, The Deadly Assassin, Dalek and Resurrection of The Daleks are classics who the fuck hates those
Exactly. Talons seems mainly to annoy Snowflakes who forget that the story was written over forty years ago and don't realise that it is basically a pastiche of Sax Rohmer's Fu Manchu stories. They also don't seem to realise that the production team tried to get Burt Kwouk to play Chang and that there were very, very few fully trained actors in Equity who were of Chinese decent at that time.
The Deadly Assassin only really annoyed Mary Whitehouse and the more rabid fans who complained that the Time Lords weren't as they appeared in The Three Doctors and The War Games.
As for the other two stories, I know of no one who is annoyed by them.
The Talons Of Weng Chiang is not only classic Who, but classic television drama....just as Fawlty Towers is classic television comedy.....the snowflakes can complain all they like
Woke Irishman mostly.
Only the perpetually offended Wokies hate Talons, and I don't think that should count on this list. Resurrection of the Daleks was supposed to be grim, so including that one for that reason was stupid. And Deadly Assassin only pissed off Mary Whitehouse.
This! The only people who are pissed off at the Talons episode are the modern virtue signaling sheep trying to claim their 15 pieces of silver. They don't think beyond today's rendition of social justice to see that everything in life evolves. We would not have made the strides in science and society without first dealing with hiccups along the way and bettering ourselves as a result. No one emerges fully formed in life. We learn as we go and, with luck and proper guidance, we become better people.
*"A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion."*
*-Grantland Rice*
A lot of Chris's episodes belong here, but I can see why some of the older episodes would also be here. I didn't really find Dalek or Death in Heaven all that bad though, in fact I rather liked the new tone they set for the show.
Why am I not surprised to see you here?
What on earth was so upsetting about Dalek? That was an extremely imaginative storyline. A moment ago we were criticising Doctor #4 for simple stereotyping, now we seem to be complaining because a storyline treats a long-time enemy in more than a simple two-dimensional way
I really liked both Dalek and Death in Heaven. I can understand why someone wouldn't like the latter though.
Did 'The talons of Weng-Chang' actually piss people off when it was first aired or is it modern audiences being pissed off at it on viewing it now under modern moral edicts?
The latter
@@illaveyoubutler3588 figured as much.
People need to learn to leave the past well alone.
the later, same can be said for the Celestial Toy maker, and something is NOT a racial sterio(?) type when it WAS the way things were then. This is 19th century London, filmed in the 1970's
The incredibly shonky rat, was the only thing that annoyed viewers at the time. And the Celestial Toymaker? He's not playing a Chinese person, but merely wearing a Mandarin costume. Michael Gough played him as a very sinister English pantomime villain, one who would kill you, and would have fun doing so. Nothing more, nothing less.
@@mich8050 - Is the right answer.
Oh, i thought you are going to list All dctr 13th episodes.
ERROR CORRECTION - "The Deadly Assassin" The shot of the doctor did not immediately cut to black. it ended on a freeze frame with the doctors head underwater. This exaggerated the impression the Doctor had drowned. The complaints raised resulted in the original tapes being re-edited and taking the last few seconds off. (Apparently DVD versions have had this restored)
Pretty Much Everyone: "Sleep No More has no impact on lore or ongoing plot threads"
Me: "Laughing like a baby Hyena being tickled in nitrous oxide"
The Timeless Children should be on the top. Including those extra faces was a damn lazy attempt to explain them taking away the mystery and fun of speculating. So totally unnecessary and The Doctor being the progenitor of the Time Lord race so unoriginal. I'd do over this list again.
Why is the TV Movie on the list? let alone above The Timeless Children?!
The TV movie has nonsense about the turning off the millennium having a physical significance something even fundamentalists Christians would say is not true. The plot is resolved by the Tardis travelling back in time which is gibbberish. The master was put on trial, that’s trial, by the Daleks who then cheerfully let their ancient nemesis pick up the master’s body and so on
@@antonycornell6284 clearly you've never seen Revaluation of the Daleks. The supreme Daleks become a (somewhat) civilised race in that episode and put Davros on trial without killing any humans.
@@MichaelM28 they probably realised it more efficient for them to work with the people of the planet to achieve their man goal than potentially having to fight two factions for one person
Death in heaven genuinly scares me to this day. It was honestly terrifying
Talons of Weng Chiang will never be “consigned to the bin”, outdated stereotypes or not. “The past is a foreign land. They do things differently there”. 1977 was a long time ago. If we judged everything from the past by today’s standards, we wouldn’t watch anything.
"Perhaps wisely enough the Daleks would not return until the Sixth Doctor encountered them....."....a whole 'the very next season' later. Ffs, he regenerated only two stories later.
My God you talk some crap to justify these bizarre lists.
So essentially these are almost all stories that latter day fans have issues with... They should have been Who fans in the 90s.
It Takes You Away should be on this list. An entire episode about a shit dad, a glorified hallway they call a gave with a moth problem, and a villain that is only a villain by the Doctor just repeating a bedtime story. That’s it. No evidence. Just a conversation telling the viewer what the villain is like they’re reading script to the camera. Just randomly guesses the villain is a conscious universe that has been absent since before creation. Not a bubble universe, or an alternate dimension or anything else previously encountered.
For me the one that did that was Timeless Child. The whole idea just came across as though they were grasping at straws. I actually thought that maybe it was from what happened to the Tenth Doctor's hand. Somehow the episode was a massive letdown to me. I could not convince my husband to actually watch any of the 13th Doctor's stories, he just thought Chibnal ruined the show, and that had nothing to do with all this social justice stuff that had incessantly been thrown in our faces.
good then, your husband is a dick
Series 9 a step up from 8?
@@thegayone1911 Heaven Sent is the worst episode ever
@@justsomerandomguyonline1144 you're soso wrong
@@carb_8781 no I’m not
Chibnall and Whittaker are the worst things to ever happen to Doctor Who!
Hey now. Whittaker is a phenomenal Doctor. It’s Chibnall’s writing that’s holding her back.
actually, they are better than Jonathan Nathan Turner, Russell Davies and Stephen. those three have done their level best to kill off everything that made the doctor so much fun. the character went from the wonder of the exploration of the universe to knowing EVERYTHING but not telling ANYONE until the deaths mounted up. I loathe the know it all doctors.
What about the dumpster fire that was the episode "Kill the Moon". This was the only episode where I felt insulted as someone who watched the whole thing ...
First time I'm hearing this about Dalek, it's my favorite episode of the entire revival series.
Just list season 11 and it’ll work perfectly
True
Agreed
really?? Pertwee’s final season is usually well received, why don’t you like it?
william Jodie season 11
@@tescobesco so you mean *series* 11? right. before you trash talk something, at least get it right
I actually like Resurrection of the Daleks, maybe youthful nostalgia or the magnitude of the story, plus I like grim stuff lol
I love it. I actually like how dark and grim it is.
The episode that ticked me off the most when i was younger was hand of fear.. while well written it was the was idea that this was the end of sarah jane as a companion
@10:09 there's a character that was only in this episode/series Resurrection of the DALEKS. She is in the lower right of the screen. She sort of stuck for a bit, but I forgot her. After having had seen her again, I realized now why she sticks out in my memory. She resembles River Song.
And I am with another person who made the comment of Doctor Who pulling a Dallas/Newhart stunt; that of the Chibnall period being nothing more than a bad nightmare.
Uhmmm couldn't they have just said 20+ episodes that pissed people off and just have a pic of the 13th.
Done