Therapy, feeling emotions & recovery from chronic dizziness & pain: interview w/ Daniel Lyman, LCSW
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- In this interview with Daniel Lyman, LCSW, we dive deep into Daniel's 10+ years of experience working with people who have chronic pain and dizziness. Daniel explains the nuts and bolts of emotions and past experiences and how they relate to chronic dizziness, and we dig into his own experiences with clients recovering from PPPD, MdDS and other forms of chronic dizziness.
Daniel is the director of the Mind Body Therapy Center and works as a clinical supervisor, psychotherapist, mental health coach, and all around awesome person who responds to my email questions! Learn more about the Mind Body Therapy Center at www.mindbodytherapycenter.org/
More about me and my work: thesteadycoach.com
Free Healing Chronic Dizziness course: thesteadycoach.com/free-course
00:00:00 Intro
00:04:57 How Daniel got into working with mindbody disorders
00:07:03 Everyone in the world deals with mindbody issues!
00:09:28 Do people actually recover from chronic pain and chronic dizziness?
00:11:27 Why the gold standard of treatment for PPPD and MdDS (VRT & CBT) do not go far enough for many people
00:13:32 How mindbody treatment of chronic pain and chronic dizziness differs from a standard management approach
00:17:50 What are emotions and what is their connection to chronic symptoms?
00:23:10 Symptoms do not always correspond directly or immediately with emotions
00:24:40 How do you "process" emotions to recover from chronic symptoms?
00:28:06 What's different about how you "process" fear?
00:32:26 Our past experiences influence how we experience fear of symptoms
00:37:15 How do we deal with the past experiences that have led to us developing chronic symptoms?
00:40:20 Why past experiences can lead us to not feel our emotions (even if we don’t feel anxious or stressed)
00:42:50 Tension from emotions is NOT always experienced as “anxiety”
00:45:15 Why history of “anxiety” does not always predict chronic dizziness
00:46:00 what was going on in your life when your symptoms started?
00:48:17 Chronic dizziness is something Daniel’s team sees a lot
00:49:58 Daniel’s perspective on VRT
00:51:50 the treatment for chronic dizziness and chronic pain is similar
00:52:52 Mal de Debarquement (MdDS) or 24/7 symptoms and Daniel’s experience with people who have them
00:55:21 How treatment of MdDS or 24/7 symptoms might start
00:58:02 Why symptom based diagnoses like MdDS, PPPD and vestibular migraine can be disempowering
01:00:17 You CAN recover from chronic dizziness
01:01:18 At what point does one-on-one coaching or therapy make sense?
01:03:12 You can’t think your way out of a feeling problem
01:07:52 Final words of wisdom from Daniel: find humor in your life! DISCLAIMER: Please note that Yonit Arthur, The Steady Coach and any of our other guests are not acting as an audiologist nor offering audiology or medical services services or advice on any public videos or on any other content. This channel provides wellness education and personal opinion only, and are not meant to be a substitute for medical or mental health instruction or intervention. Use any tools discussed at your own risk. - Розваги
Key comment about feeling safe. When I met my husband, he made me feel safe. He was younger than me. He passed away in 46 hours and now that person who made me feel safe even through turbulence, is not here. I got chronically nauseous and dizzy within weeks of his passing. People who weren’t involved in our lives were inserting themselves in my husband and my business. Not listening to what I had to say. You gave a name to it. Thank you
I am sorry for your loss, Karen ❤
I'm blown away by this interview, absolutely incredible. I'm going to have to rewatch it to take it all in again. What really stood out to me is the "it's an analytical community" part because YES. I am so analytical and catch myself analyzing my emotions and trying to think through them. I know all the theory of this tms stuff, but struggle putting it into practice. Also the ending was so powerful. People with dizziness have tightened up and lost their soft playfulness - it's so important to laugh and play and just let loose. Thank you Dr Yo and Daniel for this incredible interview.
Yes!!! So much to unpack in this one.
Thank you for so much good info! 👏🏻
Absolutely Brilliant interview both, thank you. So many interesting points and examples it all makes so much sense!
You're very welcome, Gill!
Thank you for everything you do.
You're very welcome, Mila! Thank you for trusting me ❤
This video was just what I needed right now, thank you both for taking the time to produce this interview!
You're very welcome, Savanna! I am so glad this resonated with you❤
Excellent interview. Very informative and it helps to hear about various experiences from others who work with a wide range of clients. Thanks to both you and Daniel for taking the time to do this.
You're very welcome, Paula!
Indeed, this interview is so inspiring and informational❤ many times I feel like it is just describing me and how it started with me. It also gives me a lot of hope. Thank you!
Joanne, thrilled to hear this has helped you! These conditions truly are treatable!
Your channel is AMAZING! I REALLY FO FEEL LESS DIZZY SINCE WATCHING YOUR CHANNEL! THANK YOU TO YOU AND ALL THE PEOPLE YOU INTERVIEWED
You're very welcome! Thank you for trusting me with your healing! I am so glad to hear of your progress!
Thank you, Yonit and Daniel, for this fantastic interview. Many ‘aha’ moments! Everything you say resonates with me, which is validating after years of medical professionals trying to fix me ‘biologically’ or telling me I can’t be fixed at all.
You're very welcome, Leah! Thank you for trusting us! ❤
Such a brilliant helpful, clear discussion. Thank you! And thank you Yonit mentioning those ‘24/7’ sub-groups and Daniel for his advice!
Absolutely! You're very welcome, Sam!
Dr Yonit is a beacon of hope and wisdom. Far much better than many neurologist and psychologist who are “experts “ on all kinds of dizziness. Thank you Thank you ❤
Wow, Christian. Thank you for your kind words. It is truly my privilege to be able to share this information.
Thank you for this
You're very welcome, Natalia!
Great interview. Thank you
You're very welcome, Alma!
Great interview! Very informative 😊
Yes! I enjoyed interviewing him so much!
Great video .. I feel better just watching it
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Really liked this interview. 👌
Thank you, Susan!
WOWZERS
I got vertigo from playing a video game. My brain didn't know it wasn't real but I was getting so stressed within the game. Who knew that could happen? I was just trying to have some fun but it was also during a stressful time in my life so a lot was going on and I was looking for a distraction. However, weeks later, the dizziness began, then extreme fatigue. Off and on, at first then constant. I have yet, after 7 months, to get a doctor to diagnose me but I'm pretty sure its PPPD from watching your videos. Before I knew about this, I was saying "I think I broke my brain". If I knew then what I know now, from watching your informative videos, I may could have prevented it. Also I am someone who doesn't show much emotion so maybe it was bound to happen eventually. Thanks for this video, it helps a lot.
Hi Kitt, wow, I’m so sorry that happened to you! A single stressful event or sometimes just a minor illness or virus can set off symptoms, but once they become chronic, that’s when I have people look back and see if they can understand more about what happened to them in the past. I’m so glad you have found the videos helpful!
Thank you so much to you both amazing interview when you said about kids being taken I cried cos that is /was my biggest fear that I would get so bad that I wouldn't be able to look after but after watching this I know this won't happen you are amazing Dr Yonit I am watching all your videos and they are helping so much 🥰
Oh Mary. My heart breaks to hear this- you are SO not alone in those fears. You are going to be ok.
@@TheSteadyCoach thank you it will all be ok x
I’m aware of the event that started my dizziness. I had a sinus surgery that was done to stop migraines. Instead it increased the intensity and length of the migraines. I was very fearful that I had made it worse and ruined the quality of my life. Then the dizziness started. The fear increased. Months later I found you. I took your course and listened to your videos. So very grateful! The fear of the symptoms is gone. I’ve engaged life again and back to driving, riding in the front seat, walking, and doing everything I want to. It’s wonderful! But, even though the fear of the dizziness is gone, I’m still dizzy. Its only been a couple of months so is it too early to see improvement with the symptom?
I am so glad to hear of your progress! It has taken your body some time to get to the point it was at and it takes time to get out of this danger mode, but you are progressing. Keep going! You are doing great!
I kind of not wanting to listen to this it’s affecting me more my ear is making a noise right now. So forgive me but it’s very good ,this guy is talking to fast .thank you
Dr. Yonit the more I watch your videos the more everything is so crystal clear to me. It is so insane how much I can understand now .. I was wondering your opinion on EMDR for processing emotions?
Fantastic! You may be interested in this interview where EMDR is a focus of conversation ua-cam.com/video/DtQzTVcY00g/v-deo.htmlsi=tA4c-JP9Pop0-BWA
I heard the one movie referenced, Cake, what was the second one that was referenced? This was such a validating and informative interview…thank you SO much!!!🙏🏻🙏🏻♥️
Inside Out, the Pixar movie!! ❤️❤️
Amazing interview. Thank you both so much. It's interesting that you said that people with chronic dizziness, more often that not, have other symptoms too. I have developed chronic as a result of PPPD, first on the neck and shoulders and now all over the body. My eyes have also recently become much much more dry than before and I've also developed dry mouth. Is it possible that the dry eyes & mouth have developed as a result of unresolved PPPD (going on 5 years with a 3 years remission in the middle but which has become worsened due to a major recent trauma)?
Absolutely. I have seen these types of symptoms with dizziness as well.
I also got chronic dry eye which surprisingly went away as I started realizing it was stress related . Also dry mouth .. def charges with my frame of mind
Struggling been dizzy for years hoping these videos help can't take much more just gad a full stroke work up again in the E R.😢they call stroke alert been here countless times no.amswer
Wow, this my second time through and at 34:00 they are talking about fears of what might happe
If the symptoms come, if we can’t get better, and following those fears and looking for where that stems from…we’ll I just realized how much I felt like a problem to my ex-husband whenever I was having troubles, especially when k would get totally taken out for 4-6 months! No wonder I feel like a burden now when I need help!
We learn these things from somewhere!
I couldn’t make out what the second book was, can someone tell me what it is please? Thanks 🙏. And thanks for a great video which helps me feel I’m not going crazy ❤
I think we were discussing Alan Gordon- The Way Out and Howard Schubiner - Unlearn Your Pain
Absolutely wonderful interview. I’m definitely part of the “analytical community.” But yeah, it’s become very clear that I can’t think my way out of this problem. That is so annoying! 😊 Anyway, this is very inspiring and gives me a lot of hope. Thank you for doing this.
He's seen it, I've seen it, many of our colleagues have seen it! People recover!
Hi , I was forced cold turkey off ativan in 2017 and my CNS went full speed ahead and barbaric pain head to toe and brutal rectum , spine ,hips torso is unbearable burning ! I can’t sit stand or lay much less sleep due to pain plus maddening tinnitus. Cognitive functioning is better but the pain continues and the trauma it has caused because I’m stuck in a loop of never being well and terrified so fear is very real for me ! . After countless tests and procedures and meds did nothing . I found out about neuroplastic pain ! I need hope 😢 can I heal too ? Thank you
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How do we get information about his network in Colorado?
Just discovered your work yesterday and have watched 3 wonderful interviews. My question to you is are you familiar with an inner ear disorder called Superior Canal Dehiscence Syndrome SCDS? This wasn’t written up too many years ago and so there is a lot I think doctors don’t know but maybe assume. The cause is thought to be structural damage, a Dehiscence or eroding, of the cranial bone above the superior canal. Surgery is often used to repair this but the results are so poor in my opinion that I think there maybe something else going on and the symptoms are not caused by structural damage at all, just like with many back pain patients whose MRI’s seem to show structural damage the cause but now we know better. I am 79, have had autophony, loss of balance, tinnitus, anxiety and other symptoms for many more years than that condition has been known of. Are you familiar with this condition and what would you advise?
Hi there, please see my response to your other comments! Third window syndrome is at this point considered to be a physical cause of dizziness symptoms. That said, I have seen people have the surgery and still have dizziness afterward because the brain keeps the dizziness going. At that point we are dealing with neural circuit dizziness.
Ive only just come across you after being diagnosed with a possible VN or VM ..im intrigued how we can find out what trauma happned as i remember i was at my peak fitness level for me...i had just completed C25k it qas a push physically but i love it tho so not sure if that is a poss cause..🤔
@the steady coach can all this also relate to vestibular migraines?
Yes!
Hi, I have been diagnosed with a acoustic neuroma balance has become a major issue for me and lots of ear and neck pain. Huge pressure in my head I’ve been doing the vestibular exercises but symptoms are much worse. I really feel lost because I’m trying to keep going but feel like I’m losing the battle. Can one recover from balance issues when it’s caused by an Acoustic Neuroma?
Unfortunately if the issue is being caused by a neuroma, it will not resolve using these methods.
@the steady coach Vestibular migraines is a symptom related diagnosis too so is it TMS/mind body? Please. I’m going to the neurologist in a couple days.
Hi Suzanne! Yes, I believe this is mind body related. I discuss VMs more in detail in my free course and in this video ua-cam.com/video/CPE6rcDZQ0k/v-deo.html
Thank you. I am doing the course. The neurologist put me on Timolol in the eye drop firm. It’s a beta blocker. Not sure if it’s helping because the VT thinks I have PPPD . Ugh. It’s been on and off for 28 years but debilitating this last year.
How do we access the free course mentioned in this video?
Hi Megan, go to thesteadycoach.com/free-course
@@TheSteadyCoach thank you!
Does the doctor and his colleagues treat people who have fallen and have had a concussion and have constant cervicogenic dizzinessm thus based on a psycical problem? Where are his offices in California. I''d like to call them to see if they can help me. Tx,
Many mindbody disorders start with a physical cause. You can find his contact info in the video description!
I have questions please
What’s Daniels website
It is in the video description and it is mindbodytherapycenter.org
What can I do please
My symptoms disappear after 6 beers.
Not surprised to hear that, Eric! You might be kidding around but alcohol is a vestibular suppressant so the symptoms getting temporarily better with alcohol is actually a thing!
omg is it😂 ive been trying to avoid it thinking it can be helping my VM??🤔@@TheSteadyCoach
Help me please
Hi Brian, as I mentioned in the prior comments, I would highly recommend going through my free course on healing chronic dizziness. It lays out all of my techniques and recommendations on how to heal thesteadycoach.com/free-course
Is chronic dizziness because of past trauma? By what I understand or am wrong?🥹😢
Not exactly. Past traumas just make your nervous system more sensitive and more likely to make errors with sensory information.
@TheSteadyCoach oh okay thank you for responding!! I'm always ignored from doctors and specialists I just pray to God one day I could find a good Doctor that could really help me😢🙏🏻 I'm so tired and frustrated of been 24/7 dizzyy with no tools or help from anyone to feel better! I just want to get back to do the simplest thing in life + get to enjoy more with my 2 liltle boys is very challenging parenting with Vestibular symptoms 😢! One's again thank you Im new in your page, I been seen some of your videos in UA-cam ❤️
@TheSteadyCoach the dizziness, feeling drops faint sensations and brain fog is REAL 😞 I hate it! Hopefully one day all vestibular Warrios could get the rite help and tools to feel better and get back on track of living a normal life!!