As a GS owner, the first thing I will say is that the Voge looks like a very good Bike, and very good value for the level of equipment. Would I change for a Voge now or any time soon?, no. However, I wouldn't discount the possibility further in the future that's for sure. My take on your Video is that when demand is high with no stock, second hand prices will be high, but once the production catches up, S/H prices and in turn depreciation will relatively equal out. Will the Voge be as big a seller in the UK as Spain? that remains to be seen as does future pricing (once established}, reliability, durability, reliable warranty work, dealership networks and a 2 year UK warranty vs 5 year warranty elsewhere. I am not a badge man, I go for a Bike I enjoy riding and I am certainly not against Chinese Bikes, I think the Voge 900 DSX is the best looking bike so far. Its about time the "Big Boys" had some serious competition as that is good for us all of us Bikers no matter what we ride.
Thanks for your serious and un-biased thoughts, I'm with you on all counts. If I could afford it the 1300 GS would be on my radar. But generally the market will change, as you say the UK market is different, from statistics pretty flat, Spain is up 20% year on year so a huge bike market here. ,✌️
i don't buy a bike to sell it, i buy it to ride it and use it - they are worth what they are worth when i am done - of course nobody wants to lose loads of money but ownership is a loss and we know it, i think doing this comparison is a bit unfair as the demand is higher than supply on the dsx right now - we should revisit in 12 months once the market has been supplied - that said, i have zero doubt that the loss is far greater on the triumph etc , zero doubt - this bike will likely bottom out at about 4k in a few years time - that is a small loss in reality if you ride and enjoy it
I don't buy bikes or cars to sell them either. But I need them to last 20-30 years at least, and I need reasonably priced parts to be available for them, and I need to be able to work on them myself. I know someone with a 1947 Indian Chief, which looks and runs like brand new. There is no way you are going to be able to keep any modern bike going that long. They are throwaways. designed to be disposable, not repairable.
Hola desde Sitges! Yo creo que dentro de dos años la DSX900 se depreciará más rápido que ahora, ya que habrá más stock, aún así será proporcional a su precio de venta. Por otro lado creo que VOGUE, Zontes, KOVE 800x y CFMOTO harán ajustar a la baja el precio de las motos nuevas de marcas tradicionales (ya veo rebajas de precio durante este mes) Y también harán que el mercado de segunda mano se deprecie más rápidamente. Motos nuevas chinas, a precio razonable (garantía, etc) están comenzado a agitar todo el mercado. Un saludo y gracias por el video, es muy interesante
muy buenas mi amigo, ahora tenemos una situación que la gente ahora no quiere o tiene dinero sobre para pagar por marcas como BMW o KTM. Ahora tenemos la opción a disfrutar la vida motero dentro el dinero disponible. Si, las motos de Voge están de chino pero para nosotros están una manera a disfrutar juntos. Disculpa me español. Bien viajes ✌🏻
Completely agree with you & I commented (please see) on the video you watched also. His pricings are definitely way out. I commented that there's no way the MT450 & Voge 900 & 525 will lose what he suggests, plus his Tiger 800 will lose much more than he suggests. As you know I've been sorting my Blade out for the road, plus ordered a new fuel pump for my GSXR750, which I was unindated with availability for. I will almost certainly get a Voge 900 or 525dsx, but in the UK, a fuel pump (example) isn't available to buy...atleast that's in my quick research. With the Voge 900 & 525dsx having been available in Spain & other countries longer, parts must be more readily available?
@@brastdoor1231 With the Tiger & BMW losing around 5 - 6k in 12 months & 7-8k in 24months. That kinda loss in itself almost pays for the Voge 900dsx. I predict the Voge to only lose 2k max in 2yrs. I'd buy one now in the UK, it's only the current lack of spare parts that's stopping me.
Great video again 600 mile on mine now and i can't fault the bike, apparently here in thr uk if you order one now your talking april untill you get it (what ive been told) had the mrs on the back the other day and its great with a passenger
If you have the time, could you tell us Brits some of the differences you find in buying, selling and insuring bikes in Spain versus the UK? I may be moving there (or France) in the near future. It would make a good little film.
@@MarkOne-l2k Hi, yes buying new is no different to the UK, most manufacturers through in the first years insurance free, but it's basic. My Voge fully comp with full breakdown service is around 300€ selling privately is different, you need to go to a clerk and pay the transfer fee. You get a contract of sale or purchase and a circulation document untill your new ones arrive. Insurance and running costs are considerably lower here.
@@motechRevolution My best quote for a Voge 900 was £831. I'm finding I am priced out of owning a bike here by insurance. Hayabusa was £7119. Most bikes here are now sold on PCP but still lots of dealers are closing. HD is almost non existent here now.
Personally, I keep a motorcycle for 4-5 years and never consider depreciation because it’s irrelevant. If you keep it that long you get your money’s worth enjoyment out of it, plus it makes you smile! Ride safe! 🏍️🍺🇿🇦👍
There will be haters of chinese bikes always . They cannot handle the fact that chinese are indeed started manufacturing some reliable bikes. If they still wanna pay double price for blue and red stripes let it be. We as dsx owners took the risk of purchasing a new bike not tested on the road . As of now seems that the risk paid off. Did we took the correct decision??? Only time will tell.
@@nkatech In my line of work, China started making products 20yrs ago & people used to laugh. Since those laughs have totally disappeared because not only have China taken over the whole industry I'm in, but the quality is flawless. I predict the same will happen in the motorbike industry. The Chinese don't mess about, once they get stuck in. Their aim will be to take over the motorcycle industry worldwide. An equal or better product & at vastly reduced prices/great value for money.
@@keepitreal1547I'm not going to get into the politics, but national pride only pours your money into the politicians who want to fleece you to line their own pockets, they don't give a toss about the minions. If we can enjoy life with the hard earned cash we work for without being shafted, I for one don't care where that product is made as long as it's high quality.
@@brastdoor1231 I’m guessing Voge will increase prices, but with only 10 years to buy petrol bikes. We might be the last generation of petrol heads. Enjoy my friend ✌🏻
ANY modern bike is going to depreciate like a meteorite. They were designed to be disposable. With all the TRASH technology on them, they are not repairable, within reason, and parts will be unavailable after a short time. Stick with something carbureted that can be kept gong forever.
Its better to lose 50% of a lower priced bike than 30g of an expensive bike. And why is one bothered about depreciation? Buy whatever you want, enjoy it till you do and sell it.
Hi mate very interesting. A video I’ve watched from Rocketman has a completely different take on things. He did CF Moto 800 MT comparison and he worked out a massive loss on the CF compared to a Triumph. Check it out. Great Video by the way.
Must remember here the price of name transfer here is robbery it’s reflected in 2 nd hand prices being high for cars and bikes . You could buy almost 2 voge for a price of a triumph one being fully loaded the base model . No brainer really 🤷🏼♂️
Whats putting me off the 900 is that its rated for E5 fuel only, and its only a matter of time that they only have E10 like it is in scotland. Is it only E5 To pass emissions, or will E10 eat pipes and seals on this bike, does anyone have the answer.
@@tiggerbiker192 we don’t have E10 here also I wouldn’t use it in any motorcycle the ethanol kills everything like you say. It’s the same for BMW though. They will run on E10 but it’s crap. That said we have only 10 years or so to ride (New) petrol bikes. Just buy it my friend the travel to a E5 pump will be a great excuse to ride ✌🏻
20k for a bike is just pathetic consumerism, if you pay this for a putt putt you have more money than sense, most of us are having an economic crash. All the time these boys overpay for their toys the companies will squeeze you more and more.
One thing to note, in Spain the warranty for the Voge 900dsx/525dsx come with a 5yr warranty. Yet, in the UK, as yet only a two year warranty. Seems strange?
@@keepitreal1547 just because they have been here 5 years and have a dealer network, maybe. That could affect resale though. Also the amount of bikes sold here is huge compared to the UK. Could be the weather 😉
@@motechRevolution Nail on head. Just read that MotoGB say it's because it's a new brand with them in the UK. Looks like the warranty will be extended, once established more.
Voge Europe gives 3 years.I live in France and I have 3 years.In Spain the dealership gives 2 years plus so 5 in total.You don't give 5 years warranty if you don't believe in it.
@@spiroskaltsoukalas9692 It is an established brand in Spain with main headquarters in the North. As it gets more established throughout Europe warranty periods will increase
@@keepitreal1547 it's down to dealer network, Spain has a main dealership network with main offices in the North, basically Voge is on the Ground here, fast servicing and parts. Plus the bike market is huge in Spain compared to the UK.
@@brastdoor1231 hopefully soon my friend. But it might be too low for you guys. Man! When I worked in Holland you guys are so tall. Ride safe my friend ✌🏻
As a GS owner, the first thing I will say is that the Voge looks like a very good Bike, and very good value for the level of equipment. Would I change for a Voge now or any time soon?, no. However, I wouldn't discount the possibility further in the future that's for sure. My take on your Video is that when demand is high with no stock, second hand prices will be high, but once the production catches up, S/H prices and in turn depreciation will relatively equal out. Will the Voge be as big a seller in the UK as Spain? that remains to be seen as does future pricing (once established}, reliability, durability, reliable warranty work, dealership networks and a 2 year UK warranty vs 5 year warranty elsewhere. I am not a badge man, I go for a Bike I enjoy riding and I am certainly not against Chinese Bikes, I think the Voge 900 DSX is the best looking bike so far. Its about time the "Big Boys" had some serious competition as that is good for us all of us Bikers no matter what we ride.
Thanks for your serious and un-biased thoughts, I'm with you on all counts. If I could afford it the 1300 GS would be on my radar. But generally the market will change, as you say the UK market is different, from statistics pretty flat, Spain is up 20% year on year so a huge bike market here. ,✌️
i don't buy a bike to sell it, i buy it to ride it and use it - they are worth what they are worth when i am done - of course nobody wants to lose loads of money but ownership is a loss and we know it, i think doing this comparison is a bit unfair as the demand is higher than supply on the dsx right now - we should revisit in 12 months once the market has been supplied - that said, i have zero doubt that the loss is far greater on the triumph etc , zero doubt - this bike will likely bottom out at about 4k in a few years time - that is a small loss in reality if you ride and enjoy it
I don't buy bikes or cars to sell them either. But I need them to last 20-30 years at least, and I need reasonably priced parts to be available for them, and I need to be able to work on them myself. I know someone with a 1947 Indian Chief, which looks and runs like brand new. There is no way you are going to be able to keep any modern bike going that long. They are throwaways. designed to be disposable, not repairable.
Hola desde Sitges!
Yo creo que dentro de dos años la DSX900 se depreciará más rápido que ahora, ya que habrá más stock, aún así será proporcional a su precio de venta.
Por otro lado creo que VOGUE, Zontes, KOVE 800x y CFMOTO harán ajustar a la baja el precio de las motos nuevas de marcas tradicionales (ya veo rebajas de precio durante este mes)
Y también harán que el mercado de segunda mano se deprecie más rápidamente.
Motos nuevas chinas, a precio razonable (garantía, etc) están comenzado a agitar todo el mercado.
Un saludo y gracias por el video, es muy interesante
muy buenas mi amigo, ahora tenemos una situación que la gente ahora no quiere o tiene dinero sobre para pagar por marcas como BMW o KTM. Ahora tenemos la opción a disfrutar la vida motero dentro el dinero disponible. Si, las motos de Voge están de chino pero para nosotros están una manera a disfrutar juntos. Disculpa me español. Bien viajes ✌🏻
completamente de acuerdo
the depreciation doesn't scares me :)
what is the worst of the worst case scenario ?!
loosing 8,888€ !? :) ...
Go to full screen for all info, sorry for the sound, it was an impromptu video, it's purely for information for you guys.
collect mine next Saturday really excited. Come from a 1250 gsa but still have bmw900xr
@@adamwhite5155
Fantastic, it'll be interesting how they compare.
@@adamwhite5155 if it's twichy do my throttle mod. After the first service flash the 4.4 update if you want it makes it a beast.
I saw the same video and thought exactly the same, regardless of brand ALL bikes lose a big wedge of money particularly in the first year.
@@andrewdyson4255 true
Completely agree with you & I commented (please see) on the video you watched also.
His pricings are definitely way out. I commented that there's no way the MT450 & Voge 900 & 525 will lose what he suggests, plus his Tiger 800 will lose much more than he suggests.
As you know I've been sorting my Blade out for the road, plus ordered a new fuel pump for my GSXR750, which I was unindated with availability for.
I will almost certainly get a Voge 900 or 525dsx, but in the UK, a fuel pump (example) isn't available to buy...atleast that's in my quick research.
With the Voge 900 & 525dsx having been available in Spain & other countries longer, parts must be more readily available?
We will see in 2years if we did the right thing by buying a Voge 900!
@@brastdoor1231
With the Tiger & BMW losing around 5 - 6k in 12 months & 7-8k in 24months.
That kinda loss in itself almost pays for the Voge 900dsx.
I predict the Voge to only lose 2k max in 2yrs. I'd buy one now in the UK, it's only the current lack of spare parts that's stopping me.
@@keepitreal1547 price of bmw 900 is absurd. Over 1800€ in Germany( I think even ove 20 K) with the features of Voge.
@@brastdoor1231
BMW, Triumph etc will be panicking. They've had it all their own way & at rip off prices, until NOW.
Great video again 600 mile on mine now and i can't fault the bike, apparently here in thr uk if you order one now your talking april untill you get it (what ive been told) had the mrs on the back the other day and its great with a passenger
There is now a 6 months lead time here in Spain as well, lots of forums in on the guys have just received them after 5 month's or so
If you have the time, could you tell us Brits some of the differences you find in buying, selling and insuring bikes in Spain versus the UK? I may be moving there (or France) in the near future. It would make a good little film.
@@MarkOne-l2k Hi, yes buying new is no different to the UK, most manufacturers through in the first years insurance free, but it's basic. My Voge fully comp with full breakdown service is around 300€ selling privately is different, you need to go to a clerk and pay the transfer fee. You get a contract of sale or purchase and a circulation document untill your new ones arrive. Insurance and running costs are considerably lower here.
@@motechRevolution My best quote for a Voge 900 was £831. I'm finding I am priced out of owning a bike here by insurance.
Hayabusa was £7119. Most bikes here are now sold on PCP but still lots of dealers are closing. HD is almost non existent here now.
@@MarkOne-l2k I have heard that insurance has gone crazy in the UK. Most bikes and cars garages here give the first year free if you are over 25.
Personally, I keep a motorcycle for 4-5 years and never consider depreciation because it’s irrelevant. If you keep it that long you get your money’s worth enjoyment out of it, plus it makes you smile! Ride safe! 🏍️🍺🇿🇦👍
Yes sound was awful. Next time don't rush.
There will be haters of chinese bikes always . They cannot handle the fact that chinese are indeed started manufacturing some reliable bikes. If they still wanna pay double price for blue and red stripes let it be. We as dsx owners took the risk of purchasing a new bike not tested on the road . As of now seems that the risk paid off. Did we took the correct decision??? Only time will tell.
True
@@nkatech
In my line of work, China started making products 20yrs ago & people used to laugh.
Since those laughs have totally disappeared because not only have China taken over the whole industry I'm in, but the quality is flawless.
I predict the same will happen in the motorbike industry. The Chinese don't mess about, once they get stuck in.
Their aim will be to take over the motorcycle industry worldwide. An equal or better product & at vastly reduced prices/great value for money.
@@keepitreal1547I'm not going to get into the politics, but national pride only pours your money into the politicians who want to fleece you to line their own pockets, they don't give a toss about the minions. If we can enjoy life with the hard earned cash we work for without being shafted, I for one don't care where that product is made as long as it's high quality.
In Germany I found a second hand Voge 900dsx from more than 10.000€ ( new 9.500€)
@@brastdoor1231 great 👍
They have caused a storm
@@motechRevolution I do think so. Let’s hope we can buy our bike in 5 years for the same price!
@@brastdoor1231
You guys who've bought one, are on a winner.
@@brastdoor1231 I’m guessing Voge will increase prices, but with only 10 years to buy petrol bikes. We might be the last generation of petrol heads. Enjoy my friend ✌🏻
ANY modern bike is going to depreciate like a meteorite. They were designed to be disposable. With all the TRASH technology on them, they are not repairable, within reason, and parts will be unavailable after a short time. Stick with something carbureted that can be kept gong forever.
Its better to lose 50% of a lower priced bike than 30g of an expensive bike. And why is one bothered about depreciation? Buy whatever you want, enjoy it till you do and sell it.
@@Whatreally123 exactly, if a 10k bike loses half its value in 5 years it's a much better loss than losing 50% of a new GS
Hi mate very interesting. A video I’ve watched from Rocketman has a completely different take on things. He did CF Moto 800 MT comparison and he worked out a massive loss on the CF compared to a Triumph. Check it out. Great Video by the way.
Must remember here the price of name transfer here is robbery it’s reflected in 2 nd hand prices being high for cars and bikes . You could buy almost 2 voge for a price of a triumph one being fully loaded the base model . No brainer really 🤷🏼♂️
Whats putting me off the 900 is that its rated for E5 fuel only, and its only a matter of time that they only have E10 like it is in scotland. Is it only E5 To pass emissions, or will E10 eat pipes and seals on this bike, does anyone have the answer.
@@tiggerbiker192 we don’t have E10 here also I wouldn’t use it in any motorcycle the ethanol kills everything like you say. It’s the same for BMW though. They will run on E10 but it’s crap. That said we have only 10 years or so to ride (New) petrol bikes. Just buy it my friend the travel to a E5 pump will be a great excuse to ride ✌🏻
triumph tiger rally pro 900£14,495.00 🏴 GB
@@martinhughes9769 Twice the price of my Voge , but yes a great bike
20k for a bike is just pathetic consumerism, if you pay this for a putt putt you have more money than sense, most of us are having an economic crash. All the time these boys overpay for their toys the companies will squeeze you more and more.
I'm sure that's why the DSX at under 9k is selling like hot cakes. People have had enough of 20k price tags
@@motechRevolution i want one
One thing to note, in Spain the warranty for the Voge 900dsx/525dsx come with a 5yr warranty.
Yet, in the UK, as yet only a two year warranty.
Seems strange?
@@keepitreal1547 just because they have been here 5 years and have a dealer network, maybe. That could affect resale though. Also the amount of bikes sold here is huge compared to the UK. Could be the weather 😉
@@motechRevolution
Nail on head.
Just read that MotoGB say it's because it's a new brand with them in the UK.
Looks like the warranty will be extended, once established more.
Voge Europe gives 3 years.I live in France and I have 3 years.In Spain the dealership gives 2 years plus so 5 in total.You don't give 5 years warranty if you don't believe in it.
@@spiroskaltsoukalas9692 It is an established brand in Spain with main headquarters in the North. As it gets more established throughout Europe warranty periods will increase
@@keepitreal1547 it's down to dealer network, Spain has a main dealership network with main offices in the North, basically Voge is on the Ground here, fast servicing and parts. Plus the bike market is huge in Spain compared to the UK.
In the Netherlands you cannot buy this bike!
@@brastdoor1231 hopefully soon my friend. But it might be too low for you guys. Man! When I worked in Holland you guys are so tall. Ride safe my friend ✌🏻
@@motechRevolution I ride the Voge900. I am only 1.85 m. It fits perfect!
@@brastdoor1231 I’m shorter 1.78 it’s amazing