Plus kratos has better feats then his younger version. Old kratos effortlessly pushed a bridge weighing 1.7 million tons and that’s excluding the weight of the water. He basically pushed a whole bridge and lake effortlessly. Young kratos had practically no feats. Plus kratos died 3 times by getting caught off guard lmao. Zeus killed a near death kratos and still struggled to overpower him, kratos died to ares without even knowing ares threw something at him, and kratos literally fell to his death from gaia. Kratos even stated that he was falling back in his old ways in Ragnarok meaning he would scale way above his younger self. Kratos while rusty is still stronger lmfao. He just doesn’t posses his skills. All of your points are really nit picky and taken out of context.
In the lore it states that as Greek gods get older they get more powerful the only reason that kratos seems weaker is because he's holding back all his power because he is traumatized from his past and and fears what he will do if he unleashes his full strength. The video was still great tho.
@@durrangodsgrief6503 yes lol. In lore by time of God of War 4 and 5 kratos is only using about 10% of his full might, and he is still pretty young God atleast compared to zues so if the rest were alive they'd absolutely stomp
I dont think stabing so hard is holding back . I played the hole game even compared with GOW 3 kratos is more stronger and smarter than his previous versions . This kratos will stomp all his previous versions and he used his iq more than rage this time that's what make him more stronger . And also if kratos was holding back why he needed atreus's assistance to bring Thor down even kratos was exhausted with the fight it shows he didn't held back but just wanted to fight like a true warrior not a bullshit killer
@@trozanyt7917 not true his rage is what makes him stronger why els would spartan rage make him invinsible I love gow 2018 but these new fans who never played the old games dont know how bad kratos is holding back. Only reason hed holding back is because he sees being a god as a curse kratos is fighting his own power the rage inside him he knows hes a monster when not holding back.
@@riomio3515 I played the whole series the only difference is instead of using useless rage kratos is playing smartly like a true warrior and that makes him even more dangerous. In actual any one in rage symbolises destruction, power and anger that is made for kids . But we knew kratos is stronger than his previous forms and using his powers much more efficiently that's why GOW 5 is loved more all over the globe
I believe the Spartan Rage that Kratos display in the Norse Realm is Kratos's default mode in the Greek realm in the first 3 games. He toned his powers down in the norse realm but once he activates it, every God, monster, elf etc all couldn't even land a hit on him being overwhelmed by his true strength. Kratos didn't get weaker in the Norse realm, he just hid his powers.
yeah and the only reason that doesn't just make us one shot everything is because that would be immensely boring. Not being able to get hurt is a nice balance though
@@Planetdestroyer.138 way to simplify it, Odin looks and sounds like an Oldman who works at walgreens, Thor looks like redhead mark Henry, baldur looks like the neighborhood crackhead, heimdal looks like one of those upcoming tiktok dancers
One thing to take note of is that Zeus went out of his way to make himself as unkillable as possible, the only way to stop him was to snuff out the flame of Olympus which no god could touch, in fact if memory serves it killed anyone that tired. The only one close to this is Baldr but his is a curse laid onto him and not something he wanted, but even if the Olympians can't find his weakness they do have other ways to put him down, like Hades ripping out his soul or locking him in Tartarus with the titans. Now the Nords could find Pandora and get rid of the flame, but they would still have a very up hill battle trying to kill Zeus afterwards.
A hard boss fight doesnt determine which pantheon is the strongest, thats like saying "Oh i put my game on easy for the Zeus boss fight and the game on hard for the Odin fight, therefore Odin must be stronger cause its a harder fight" use ur brain.
A video idea that would be cool is the Goliaths from Greek vs the Goliaths from Norse. Specifically jormungandr, fenrir and surtr VS Atlas, Chronos and Gaia
The Greek pantheon is confirmed to be greater. When causally speaking about Heimdall Kratos mentions fighting/killing greater Gods. If there's doubt just compare Zeus's final fight(s) (GoW3) to Odin's (GoWR)... and you'll see who's greater. Any one of the big Greek 3 could have bested Odin. Well, definitely Zeus and maybe Hades... Poseidon died rather quickly, but still. Definitely can't forget about Gaia, Atlas, Cronos... those mostly equal to Zeus himself. Norse is an interesting pantheon for sure but when it comes to power... Greek gods take the cake or should I say... galaktoboureko 👌🏻
No god except GoW3 Kratos is nearly as strong as Zeus. If you read any info from the books etc Zeus is stated far above any other god and titan. In fact Hades overpowered prime Cronos,later on got stronger over the years and he was still scared of Zeus in the novel
@@noahgraeme he only mentioned heimdall lmao. If you want to compare both gods we can use kratos’s statement where he said thor was his strongest opponent to date.
Poseidon was able to kill a titan with just a singlr punch. The titans are comparable or even superior to the primordials. The primordials basically created the universe by fighting amongst one another. So if u think about it, they unintentionally created it. Same with Hades. Nuff said lmao
I think Greek because kratos holds back against the Norse gods but not against the Greek ones, yet he still died more in the Greek pantheon then in the Norse one.
Greek Pantheon STOMPS HARD!!! Zeus by himself would put up a good fight against Odin, Thor, and Baldur combined! Perhaps even defeat all of them. Start adding Poseidon, Hades, Hercules, Helios, Hermes, Ares, the freakin Titans! It becomes WAY overkill!
Heimdall can predict every hit, he only dies to Loki in the myth. Baldur is invincible apart from one weakness. Thor can lift the world serpent, he’s physically stronger than Heracles. Odin has insane magic power levels. Norse gods are underrated.
@@thomasalvarez6456 Being underrated is just how you perceive it. Zues and the god's battled beings with the strength to hold the world up for eternity. They wielded the very elements of nature and creation itself. This left the Norse gods speechless. Thinking that kind of power unimaginable. I'm glad the devs finally answered this question for us and settled the fans analysis of which was stronger once in for all. The Greek gods were just built different.
@@jblauh01 kratos at the end of the first fight with Thor was in shock of what just happened to him Even if he is holding back he stated that baldur was physically the strongest foe he had faced before he fought Thor of course Meaning that while greek gods were strong Kratos himself said the Norse were physically stronger It’s unknown how the powers would compare but if Thor can beat the world serpent while also fighting Surtur then can definitely beat a titan and Poseidon Zeus is the only one who could possibly beat him and that’s a hard fight cause if Thor gets close he’s much stronger than zeus but no where near as durable
I do think Kratos was holding back during the Norse saga but gods get more powerful with age so during his time in Midgard he was most likely stronger then he was in Greece. Based on that even when holding back kratos might as well be as powerful if not more powerful then when he was in Greece
Its implied hes holding back soo much to the point that hes weaker then his young self generally, thor spends most of the time roasting him cause of the stories he heard about young kratos, the true god of war
Yeah gods do get stronger as the age but then again Kratos doesn’t have all the hax weapons and powered by hope like he did against the Greek gods. Kratos was also holding back, rusty and didn’t want to fight the Norse gods and spent the whole time trying to avoid conflict.
I dont know where this rumor came from. Zeus is canonically the youngest olympian. That alone break the statement. Not to mention hades and hera are the oldest simblings of the 12
Narratively he is alot weaker due to him holding back as you mentioned and that can also be shown with in game difficulty. In the trilogy in normal difficulty he needs 20+ hits to die while in the new games he dies from a common mortal raider in 4 hits on "Give me Balance". In trilogy Give me God of War he dies with 3-4 hits while in the new ones he dies instantly, 2 hits if you're really lucky.
I love your points in this and I 100% agree with all of it although I do agree with the developers about Kratos being naturally stronger as God’s get stronger with Age I do still believe it balances out the fact that kratos is holding back so much and is trying to avoid and defuse fight instead of looking for fights like he did when he was younger
I think young and old are equal, though old would likely win in a battle between the two. Young Kratos has his Greek powers, arsenal, "hope", and is completely unhinged. Old Kratos is infinitely wiser, in control of his emotions, more experienced, and probably physically stronger.
@@Fadeddreams5 I dont see old kratos ever winning unless he completely lets loose. Young Kratos is way too lethal and goes for the kill. And hope itself is well beyond anything Old Kratos can do
Yes young kratos is more powerful, and old kratos is just more stronger, experienced overall, and more compassionate. If he had his powers then he'd be up over younger kratos in everything but that's not the case
I always thought when kratos mentioned him not using his powers it was the powers like the spartan shield thing he does in 3. Not like him being physically weaker
@@xyoungdipsetx Which is why it's hella weird because he used that argument against the Olympians by saying they can't be stronger just because they have more hax. If Norse Kratos is just multiple times stronger than Greek Kratos physically he'll just take his weapons back like he did against the other gods in the first place. Not to mention that it wasn't just a few developers that said he's stronger than ever it was Cory Barlog who has arguably the most influence on the GoW franchise because he is the only one who directed two games.
@@DirtyStinky Unfazed? A non spartan rage Kratos punched Thor that he spinned around. Even in the second fight he doesn't hit Thor nearly as hard. And spartan rage isn't his full power.
The world serpent was when he did it though, which alone dwarfs anything else we had seen from GoW up until that point. Mostly cause it’s just so down right insane.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Thor is no where near Zeus in strength. Zeus strength surpasses Atlas who held the cosmos on his back and can pretty much one shot every titans
I mean Baldur is immune to all threats both physical and magical, even if we assume that only applies to things you can find in the 9 Realms soul magic is something in the 9 Realms, so Hades is fucked in that fight.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 But magic is different from the pantheons, if we take Surtr's comments on the blades of chaos, then Hades would probably be able to suck Baldur's soul out.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 I assume that applies to anything that attacks his body directly. It makes him a tank. But does it protect his soul? That’s something else entirely
@@yoboyrob201 attacking Baldur's soul would be a form of magical attack and Freya wanted Baldur to be completely immortal, and because soul magic is a form of attack used by the Aesir's enemies the Giants I have no doubt that Freya's spell would be made with that in mind it would be an uncharacteristically massive oversight on Freya's part if she forgot about such a massive threat to her son's life.
@@its_dey_mate Surtur never says anything about various pantheons operating differently heck he says it doesn't matter where the Blades come from due to them carrying primordial fire like his own.
Greek will win against Norse as Kratos was going all out against them using his Spartan Rage and Power of Hope while Old man Kratos needs to hold back a lot in his Norse adventure like he only lose his cool against Heimdall and Thor (when he punches his teeth out) not to mention he only struggle against Baldur and Thor but still not going all out.
Freya stated when she heard about the sister of fate that no one possess this type of magic in the norse realm and the fact that someone have those powers was beyond her
In my opinion Kratos is at least as strong as he was in God of War 3. Take a look at this: in the Norse saga, whenever he gets pushed around too much, the game gives you a prom for Spartan Rage and he becomes invincible (like when the Valkyries pinned him at the spark). In God of War 3, whenever you activate the closest thing to Spartan Rage that the gameplay has, he just pulls the Blade of Olympus. To me that goes to show that in 3 he was in Spartan Rage 24/7, and now, he knows what he can do with that if he doesn't keep it under bay, so he doesn't want to use it. Look at his face after punching Thor, he was mortified, not because of Thor, because he slipped. He knows if he does that too many times his rampage in 3 would be nothing compared to now, when he still has something to lose.
To me, you gotta handle Odin like batman, if odin knows he's going against Zeus and all, he can win, hes a god of tactics afterall and knowledge, he's insanly powerful when he knows who he's fighting
nah odin not that smart, even batman have way more tactics than odin, odin is stupid he lose control just because an undead dwarf and i think even batman can beat odin with his super suit
Not this in-game odin. He's cunning and cruel but his tatics are rather crude. Moreover odin doesn't have any means to deal with the GOW zeus or the fear Zeus. Normal zeus himself has a lot a magic abilities and unique god powers that can counter whatever odin thows at him. You can check out the gow wiki if you need cause it's a long list so i can't type it myself.
I agree with the Greek gods being more powerful, but not on kratos being weaker in Midgard. You alluded to it in the video when talking about the gods. Having more tricks, don’t make you more powerful. Kratos may have been able to do a bunch of magic when he was younger, which is great, but doesn’t mean he could put older kratos down with it. As you said, kratos is holding back like 95% of the time in the Norse realm. Yet he is able to kill gods that have many abilities. Kratos, like all Greek gods, get more powerful with age. Kratos power seems to grow not just with age, but the more rage he has. Which is why he has Spartan rage, signaling letting loose more of his power. All his attributes like speed ,strength and agility are what his godly powers focuses on. Also counting kratos deaths in Greece aren’t really fair. GOW 1 was kratos at his weakest. Didn’t know he was a god and needed Pandora’s box to put him at that level. Although technically he was able to beat the fury’s at that level. So still powerful. GOW 2 death was him being injured and Zeus coming in to finish him off. Unfair to really count those. He never actually dies in 3. He gets knocked to the underworld, but that not really a death. It’s weird how it worked in that game. I’ll chalk it up to being at mount Olympus. But the Greek gods are way more powerful when you look at feats. Primordials in Greece had a war where their battle literally created the universe. Just the aftershocks of their battles. Not necessarily them dying like Ymir. Punches!. Then the titans being the second generation are actually stronger than them. Then the gods are even stronger than the titans as they defeated them in the Great War. Not to mention Greek gods and titans hold power over aspects of reality or nature. Time came about when Kronos was born. Gaia is the personification of the earth itself. Zeus controls the heavens, Poseidon the sea. Helios is the sun god. While Thor may be the nurse god of thunder, I wouldn’t say he controlled the very aspect of lightning itself. More like he could use it. I could be wrong on that though. When the Greek gods die, the aspect they controlled goes out of wack until another god is able to take control of it. Which is why the oceans flooded Greece when Poseidon dies. This is why kratos tells Atreus there’s consequences for killing a god. Because there was in Greece. But there aren’t any for the Norse gods, besides the other gods getting angry. Norse gods are basically just powerful people. They control nothing, they do nothing. They honestly live like common folk. The vanir out here living in villages. Odin livin in a cabin basically. The Greeks were grander in power, knowledge and way of life. Greeks win
I have to disagree. The problem I have with this is the power scaling using Kratos. The reason power scaling works is because you are basing two things on something that is a set variable. Kratos is not a set variable due to his difference in strength between the games. And with the devs stating he’s more powerful now, I’ll take their word for it and assume that’s why Kratos can have an easier time fight against Asgard, not because Olympus is better. Kratos having a harder time with the Greek gods than the Norse gods can mean two things: #1, the Greek gods are just stronger, or #2, Kratos has gotten stronger over time, which makes more sense from a lore aspect because gods don’t get less powerful as they age. In 2018, Baulder is said to be “the physically strongest god Kratos has fought.” which makes him stronger than Zeus. Also, in my opinion, punching someone so hard they travel through time is a bigger feat than using magic to travel through time. Overall, I think both of the pantheons are similar in strength, with the Norse pantheon buffed enough to keep up with more powerful Kratos
My think is, the way time and space is set up in the Norse mythology makes certain things more plausible. Their realms sit on a tree. Effect that tree and crazy things can happen. The Greek world doesn’t have that same mechanism, so a feat like that wouldn’t be possible there. Just like how the Norse gods can do the same kind of magic as the Greeks. Their lands simply don’t have that kind of power. But to go against that feat, we can point to the primordials literally punching the universe into existence. That’s a greater feat than Thor. Remember, the titans and gods in Greece are more powerful than the primordials. So they’d be way above Thor
@@yoboyrob201 thor splintering ygdrassil>>>greek gods. Ygdrassil is 5d to 6d structure putting thor casually above 6d to 7 or 8 while punching universe, time and space is 5d at max
@@Tribrid-zv3nq actually they don’t give any indication of how he beat Uranus, other than saying he eventually castrated him. But they definitely say it was a 1v1. As I have also said though, the developers straight up say the titans are above the primordials and that the gods above the titans. As we clearly see them beat them in the Great War
There is also as well the champions in ascencion multiplayer and looking at how many champions, there are thousands to millions, carrying weapons on the universal scale like hyperions spear and his dash that could have the player travel the speed of light and many more, heck they even have mjolnir as just a common weapon and yes its different but it already gives more that greek just has more to offer than the norse do.
@@Goat10Solos ummm no actually the greek is bigger, what in this comment I say is just one part of a bigger cosmology, you may think that the gods and all just own one planet or mountain, then you are dead wrong on that, there own domains are infinite, even the sky as well, they are reality warpers, this is no contest.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 actually There Are Different Different Universe In Multi-Universe Where Different Different Gods Rule With Their Universe And Multiverse
It’s definitely the Greek gods. Through Kratos and Mimir’s conversations we learn that Kratos has lost all of his powers he stole through the other gods so he’s a weaker version of himself in the new games. Old Kratos beats thor easily. He kind of beat him without much trouble in Ragnorok. Also in another conversation, Mimir is amazed when Kratos confirms the myths about the powers of the Greek pantheon. Their powers extend to major aspects of life such as the sea and the underworld where as the Norse gods have fairly minor capabilities compared to that, such as Odin with knowledge and Thor with Thunder.
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Yeah also that. Thor was going all out where as Kratos was trying attempting to reason with him. Same then Odin as well, they let Freya have her way and that gave him a second chance to continue fighting. Kratos also benefits from having allies with him most of the time.
All i know is kratos punches didnt work on thor until he got serious in the first fight. Only when he got serious did his ounch work so the fact his punches worked in the second fight leads me to beleive he was serious. Also in the thor notes, kratos himself said thor had the heaviest hits hes ever fealt.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Thor definitely was going all out. Him and his wife wanted revenge for killing his sons and thought that Kratos was a monster who would harm their daughter.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq What I meant was that the Norse gods have more specific powers. The Greek gods have more vague and all-encompassing powers. This was incomprehensible even to Mimir.
This video highlights a common misconception about Kratos and how he "lost power" when the Greek Lands were destroyed. The thing most people forget is that the VAST MAJORITY of Kratos' "power" and "magic" in GoW 1-3 (including Ascension) came from external sources. In fact, the entire God of War series as it took place in Greece was basically Kratos managing to get continuously beaten down over and over until he pulls some plot ability or special piece of Magic he'd been given upon completing the previous level out of his arse to directly counter whoever his current foe is. . The "magic" and "great power" Kratos is talking about that he "lost" was all of the extra crap he got from external sources. All his Titan fuelled powers, all his divine artefacts with were ties to or powered by the Gods/other divine/magical sources, THAT is what he lost. By the end of GoW 3 though, he was a literal God himself. He ascended to become the new Olympian God of War at the end of GoW 1 and even though Zeus tricked him into havinf his powers drained by the Blade of Olympus later, by he time he finishes his overall story in GoW 3, he's regained those powers, plus certain degrees of power from several Gods, plus powers granted to him from most of the Titans, plus a host of divinely magical artifacts, weapons and armour and then literal plot power on top of that (Power of Hope is a confirmed plot power by GoW developers). However, following the destruction of those lands, most of those artifacts lost their power, practically every source of power Kratos drew on beyond his own innate abilities was gone - as were the majority of the beings that powered a lot of the magic Kratos once used freely (Because, y'know, he killed them all). Magic is a great example since Kratos has almost no magical capabilities innately but had a host of them given to him by various divine figures from across the Greek Pantheon. . The only thing that remained were the Blades of Exile and I actually appreciate the bit of dialogue from Surtr calling them a primordial power as it indicates that Athena/Ares depending on if you view these as weapons that evolved from the original Blades of Chaos or different entirely fashioned these weapons from some primordial power source not solely just through Greek Pantheonic magic. That, and the fact that the Blades are bound to Kratos himself which would assumedly mean that he is a source of power for them in his own right - hence why they still function. . The thing is that the devs, creative director and even many writers of GoW claim that Kratos is more powerful than ever while in the Norse Lands. That's a hard thing to get around. However, realistically, we shouldn't have to since we know that: A) Kratos is a legitimate God and has been since the end of GoW 1. B) As a demi-god who ascended, Kratos does not need worship to sustain his godly power (much like Herakles) though it can empower him FURTHER. C) As an Olympian God, he grows more powerful as he ages. D) Kratos' own divine power is his own outside of any of the external buffs he got and relied upon in GoW 1-3. E) Generally, Feats>Anti-feats. Ergo, Kratos having a harder time againat the Greek Gods is not some anti-feat for the Norse Gods. It's a testament to Kratos being More powerful later in life, not necessarily the Norse Gods being weaker - but that very much goes against the premise of this video which, in my humble opinion, is incorrect. Certainly not an invalid premise, but one that I feel has more evidence against it than supporting it. . Basically, the whole premise of this video is that Kratos was more powerful when he was fighting the Greek Gods than when he was fighting the Norse Gods. Despite the reasonable arguments presented to support this, it overlooks the fact that the majority of the power Kratos wielded in GoW 1-3 was given to him from artefacts, Gods, Titans and Monsters rather than being his own personal power. This is very different to GoW 4 and Ragnarok where, while he DOES get some pretty awesome gear and some extra abilities, these things aren't outright carrying him through the games like they were in GoW 1-3. Even the fact Kratos died multiple times and had to be brought back with external help shows that he was far weaker back then. Each time he comes back, half of his story involves going on a glorified divine Treasure Hunt in order to gather more powers and artifacts to relqce what was dtripped from him upon his last death because he can't hope to face the Gods without them (compare that to when Kratos actually had his godly powers and the other Gods - even Zeus - saw him as enough of a threat to strip them from him "just in case"). Every single boss fight he had help from an external source, power, ability or individual and even then, he's usually still outmatched and needs to find a way to creatively use his 3rd party powers or weapons (or even just plain luck) to barely eek out a victory. He would never have made it to where he did without all this extra stuff carrying him there. . Compare that to in the Norse Realms and most of the power we see is Kratos' own, innate power. Sure he gets the Leviathan Axe and the shield and a few other neat little goodies, but nothing like the veritable arsenal of weapons, armour and magical spells/abilities he's given in the previous games. That's why they say that KRATOS is more powerful than ever but why it also makes sense that he "lost a lot of power/magic" when the Greek Lands were destroyed and why he can't get it back - Because the sources of those powers and abilities, of those artifacts and that magic are all dead and/or destroyed. . With that in mind, it would seem to me that the only way to then get a reasonable scale for how powerful the different Gods are would to be working out their feats, how those scale to each other and then comparing old Kratos vs Young Kratos with all gear and see who is more powerful for either scaling purposes.
Kratos put all his god power in the blade of Olympus. And after leaving Hades, burned Prometheus and gained his godly powers back from him and eventually taking Hades' soul. At the end of gow2, he was going to kill Zeus then and there with his bare hands.
@@tadrosse3786 + You'd be surprised. Still this seems like a rather pointless comment except to indicate to anyone reading this that you find the simple task of reading difficult.
11:55 Why would Kratos hold back against Thor? For all he knows his son could be in danger as he was left with Odin, so holding back would've just decreased the chances of him saving Atreus and himself.
He did hold back, its like, the only thing Thor says during that fight. He is also rusty, he hasn't fought anything bigger than a draugr at best in 3 years AND he wanted to defuse the situation and DIDN'T go all out at all.
According to cory barlog he used less than 30% of his power in 2018. And in Ragnarok he holds back more, he canonically doesn't use spartan rage against the norse gods in that game.
The Norse Pantheon is stronger,this isn't even debatable. Baldur was confirmed to be the strongest foe Kratos has ever fought.And guess who thought this.....The man himself lmao. Cory Barlog confirmed that Gow 4 Kratos would no diff Gow 3 Kratos. The Ragnarok Codex has Kratos saying how Thor's hits are the hardest he's ever felt. Kratos gets stronger the older he gets,Gow 4 takes place like 1,000 or 200 years after Gow 3. Thor easily on shotted a much stronger Kratos holding back,both were actually.Gow Ragnarok takes place 3 years after Gow 4,meaning Kratos got stronger obviously. Almost every Norse God is more powerful than the entire Greek Pantheon.this shouldn't be disputed,yet some people can't cope with the fact that Baldur negs Zeus. Also I'll just copy and paste these for everyone to cope: Cory Barlog already confirmed GOW4 Kratos > GOW3 Kratos lol. qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qim... Baldur is stated in the novel to be far greater than any opponent Kratos has faced in his past life, which would include Zeus: media.discordapp.net/attachme... In Ragnarok Codex, Thor's hits were stated to be harder than anything Kratos has felt before. Which would include both Baldur and Zeus: media.discordapp.net/attachme... Add to that the fact that Gods get stronger overtime. GOWR Kratos > GOW4 Kratos > GOW3 Kratos"
lets not forget the fact tht Odin actually beat Kratos in their fight, he and Atreus had to be saved by Freya. speaking of Freya she is even more powerful than Odin, heck part of her backstory is that when Odin and Thor tried initiating a slaughter in Jounteheim she bitch slapped both of them and dragged them back to Asgard.
@@Goat10Solos yeah the only reason Odin was able to even place those curses on Freya to begin with was because he had them specifically targeted towards her vulnerabilities which he learned over years of marriage.
@@Goat10Solos no lmao freya litteraly stated that no one in the norse have powers like the sisters of fates clearly she was shitting just by thinking at this kind of powers
Freya said that no being or god would get folded by the sisters of fate. Zeus is superior to them. The greek gods are superior to the primordials, beings who literally created the universes. Their punches were literally big bangs. Poseidon even killed a titan with a single punch. Hades managed to overpower one. Think about it. You mentioned that greek gods get more powerful as time goes on. In the great war. We both can agree that the gods were much, much weaker than they were in gow 3. But it took only 2 of them to defeat Atlas, who was able to hold the weight of the earth and both the heavens.
Greek gods actually feel like gods, there powers, palaces, and titles reflected that, the Norse feel like just magic people, they live impossibly long but that seems to be the only god thing about them. They don’t command the forces that be and even the most powerful of the gods like Thor, tyr, baldur, and Odin pale in comparison to the prior creatures kraits fought, even something like Cronus I feel could beat them.
I believe Thor, Odin, Heimdall and Baldur could at least hold their own against the Greek Pantheon. I mean you got two guys who knocked out the World serpent, another who went toe to toe with both Kratos, Freya and Atreus, and one who was practically untouchable until a new weapon was introduced.
Hades can steal souls, even titan souls. And weve seen from odin hes soul can be trapped. Zeus can output more power than thor and is way more experienced in fighting, posiedons the weak chain here however he can tke out multiple titans in a minute so theres that. Thats just the main 3 we aint even getting to the 12 yet
Same could be said for the Olympian Gods like Ares which they had Kratos draw power from Pandoras box which gave to any mortal the power to kill a God among many magical abilities. A bunch of Olympians where directly lending Kratos their powers to even stand a chance against Ares and especially the same can be said Zeus which Kratos couldn't outright beat in the second game and instead had to outsmarting into believing Kratos had a deathwish. Only in the third game with the power of hope and his entire arsenal of weapons and magical abilities was he able to finally beat just by a loose thread.
@Elias Aquino Mijares they all get one shot by sutur who is stated above Odin and Thor combined. Zeus is stated the strongest in his verse and can one shot anyone as stated in the novels. Then Odin is stated equal to base Zeus so really the only relevant people are sutur,zeus,odin,freya,thor,Posiden,maybe freyr with his sword,cronos,Hercules,Hemidall,Gaia,Baldur but only with his hax,and Ares
I couldn't disagree more. Kratos is a little more rusty and has lower endurance as an older man. But is *WAAAY MORE POWERFUL* in GOW Ragnarok. And Thor and only Thor is so many times stronger than Kratos until in a cutscene he has to dodge everything. Even on normal difficulty you can't even block most of Thor's attacks. (The second time they fight Thor isn't in his right mind because of family issues too) And Kratos needed a special weapon just to even Kill Heimdall. That spear, remember?
I disagree, in the codex Krayos says Thors punches were as hard as any he has felt. He's as strong as the top greek gods. Meaning he's only stronger with the hammer. Second according to cory barlog in 2018 he used less than 30% of his power the whole game. And in Ragnarok he holds back more. He canonically doesn't use spartan rage against the norse gods in Ragnarok. And it fits with Cory stating that he could solo the border pantheon awhile back.
@@FatKratos69 The Norns had predicted Kratos' death. It did not happen because he got the spear. But I'll also cut to the chase and shut this down-- Kratos is holding back, Thor holds back, and *KILLS KRATOS BY ACCIDENT*. That's why Thor had to resuscitate Kratos. Thor was holding back and still killed him...BY ACCIDENT. I LOOKED IT UP BY THE WAY TOO, YOUR CLAIM WITH COREY IS UNFOUNDED. In the beginning of 2018 God of war, he really was holding back though. The main reason aside from grief is that he was trying to hide from Atreus that he was a god.
@@hermanjohnson9180 He did when he was asked by a youtuber. Also in raising Kratos, Cory Barlog talks about having to nerf Kratos and stuff like that dude.
@@hermanjohnson9180 Lol imagine typing in all caps for a fictional character. Kratos beat Thor mostly without trouble. And beat most norse gods without even being close to his boiling point unlike in the greek pantheon. He's holding back his rage alot. And Kratos also easily tanked a hit from a full power Thor with mjolnir. Edit- Even if I am wrong about the 30% part it still doesn't take away how easily he beat these gods. He overpowered Thor in a clash and didn't give him any serious punches. And In the first fight Thor implies Kratos tried more against his sons. Also like I said he didn't use spartan rage canonically against the norse gods in Ragnarok. Spartan rage is his true power but not full power because he holds back and controls his rage. Kratos powers up by rage. He held back massively, get over it dude. And if you want to go by gameplay during spartan rage Kratos is basically unstoppable that not even Thor with mjolnir can hurt or touch him if he wanted to and Odin too, no one can....
While I do believe that there are Norse gods that can defeat some of the Greek gods, I do believe that in the god of war universe, the Greek gods are overall more powerful than the Norse gods. There are even conversations between Kratos, Mimir, and Freya in god of war ragnarok that heavily suggests that the Greek gods were more powerful than the Norse gods.
I don't think a lot of salt can be put on those conversations cos though Mimir is smart he didn't understand /believe that thor could knock the world serpent into the past. And he did. I don't know if he knows everything. Someone also noted that in mythology mjolnir is lifted6by strength not being worthy. It's really heavy and Kratos had a hard time lifting it. Thrud and odin however didn't
@Just A Broke Zombie he still lost everything when the arrow tip got jab into him and the arrow tip was green . That was when he stated he could feel everything. Need I say more !. Or did you forget Freya swap arrows with Atreas . The green ones for what she gave him. Except for the one that got broke.
@@jimtaylor6930 I am using Baldur that hadn't lost the blessing. Let's call this, "Pre-mistletoe Baldur". I did not forget the story, I am a lore nerd. So chill out.
@Just A Broke Zombie I have not played this game yet. I'm going on what I have seen here on UA-cam videos. That's good. You're a lore nerd Sorry if you got but hurt
I think Kratos said himself that the Greek pantheon were overall tougher & way more ruthless, and Mimir confirmed this by saying “from the stories I heard, they all had it coming.” Because of this it’s fair to say Kratos “took it easy” on the Norse Gods (in fact Thor was the only one that stood a fighting chance against him), but if he encounters the Egyptian pantheon in the next game (which has been hinted at all the way since GOW Ascension was released), then that’ll be a WHOLE new ball game. It will be worse than what happened in Greece. Kratos might have to revert to his old self against them, because they are truly fucking vicious & will not try to bargain with Kratos like Odin, they will NOT hold back. Sekhmet vs Kratos would be an absolute bloodbath (and I mean that literally, her official title is “The Bloodthirsty”) It’ll be interesting to see how Sony Santa Monica reinterprets her because according to the myths she can be 1000x worse than Ares
While the Greek Gods are undoubtably more numerous, there's a few things that I feel like people forget 1. Kratos' deaths in Greece were a result of him being outsmarted, not outpowered, hell, he would have straight up killed Zeus in God of War 2 had Athena not fucked everything up 2. Every Greek God starts a fight underestimating Kratos, basically hyping themselves up then getting absolutely flattened in the actual fight, no different to what happens to Heimdall, only difference is that Heimdall could actually back up his shit talk, which is why Kratos needed an entirely new weapon that acted autonomously in order to land hits on Heimdall, who could have still won had he not thrown everything to the wayside by throwing a hissy fit 3. The Norse Gods have extremely, extremely potent hax that the Greek Gods have never shown to have, we're talking things like Freya's binding that could incapacitate Odin just by pulling on a piece of rope he used, or Bifrost being seen as an actual credible threat to Kratos, or just flat out turning every single Norse God invincible using the same thing that Freya did to Baldur, and then stabbing their hands with Mistletoe once they exhaust the Greek Gods
I agree with the death part. But heimdall, while he did poses a good ability, was solely depended on it. Take that one advantage away and he a kinda weak god. As far as hax goes, the Norse don’t really have that many like you think. The only reason Freya could do what she did with the rope was because it was a “charged” item Odin used at one point to gain knowledge. I can’t give you a definitive definition of charged item, but most likely he did something very specific to it probably putting his essence in it or at least his power. Binding him to it some way. Very specific ability and not applicable in most cases. We also don’t know the full mechanics of the invincibility spell Freya did for baulder. It is their best hax but probably takes a lot of setup and isn’t easy to do. Otherwise Freya would have just did it before Ragnarok and they would have dogwalked the aesir. The Greek gods had control over different aspects of reality and nature. That trumps all the magic that most of the Norse gods can wield.
We got a glimpse of Kratos's past self in that one punch at the end of the Thor fight. Young Kratos punches like that through every hit (maybe even harder), he would beat Thor to a pulp even worse than he did to Hercules, even with his bare hands. That's without mentioning the magic, the Blades of Exile which are stronger than the axe, Hermes boots, Helios's head (power of the Sun), Blade of Olympus (strong enough to release the power of hope which is seemingly boundless), Hades Claws, etc.
Imagine we’d use EVERY god from the pantheons even the ones that didn’t appear yes norses top tier powerhouses are Odin, Thor, Vidarr, and Baldur but Tyr and Freya are massively underrated but it’s not fair when they’re going up against Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Ares, Hercules, Deimos, Phobos, and Orion.
The powers of the greek seem more magic paced(aside from odin of loki) the norse gods powers seem simple but strong with most of them seemingly to all have super strength and decent fighting capabilities. Sure Heracles and Zeus could brawl but how about Apollo?Hermes? even Poseidon didn't have much in terms of just hand to hand ,strong sure but relied heavily in his powers.
Poseidon is almost as strong as Zeus so hes very strong and in the lore he shook the earth by clenching his fist and Hermes is strong while running and he created the concept of fire probably by running so fast
Kratos is much stronger in the Norse games. He is probably even stronger than he was in his giant form in God of War 1 and 2. Norse absolutely wipe the floor with Greeks.
Its hard to compare greek vs norse in these games because the gods were portrayed very differently. Like og god of war was over the top action and made the gods seem like literal gods while I feel like the norse gods are still potrayed godly they seem to be more down to earth relative to scale and almost a more human level
11:00 Hey, give my boy Heimdall some, credit, without the draupnir spear they made to specifically hurt him, Kratos wouldn’t have even be able to hit him and Kratos called him a formidable opponent in the journal.
@@beastak2.081 Yeah cos he’s fought beings like Zeus, that doesn’t mean much cos Baldur was a problem and kratos has fought greater foes than him. He isn’t the strongest but he’s not a push over.
kratos says in the codex for thor ( that’s written form from his perspective) that Thor’s hits are the heaviest/strongest he’s ever felt instantly putting thor>>Zeus and the Greek gods
@@Goat10Solos literally the best feats from the god of war franchise literally comes from the Norse pantheon people are blinded by nostalgia and spectacle of the old games
Physical brute strength and hax are totally different things. It’s also been 1000 years since GoW so I severely doubt he remembers how strong the other gods and primordials were. Not to mention Kratos was fighting them with the power of hope in his arsenal so who’s to say how much of that power negated Zeus etc hits.
@@ImAdaptking first of all you have to prove that kratos forgot how strong is old enemies were (which you can’t) second of all, he only used the power of hope against Zeus not all of the Greek gods thirdly Cory confirmed that kratos still has the power of Hope inside of him and lastly for the upcoming art book for God of war Ragnarok that’s being released in 27 December and co written by Cory and the rest of the writers of the Norse saga few pages have leaked specifically Odin’s that says that Odin himself is the most powerful enemy in the god of war franchise
@@mr.gishere844 no that’s false Corey said Kratos still has a small part of the power of hope in him He had the full strength of it before and a lot of his immunities and hax left when Olympus fell which is all confirmed. If he had all the powers he had in Greece he wouldn’t have had the potential of dying in the Norse pantheon.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq well the two sagas were done in completely different styles. You can't go off of actual feats when one has things take a more realistic appearance (Norse)and the other look a lot more cartoony(Greek) One has giant 8 foot swords and giant gauntlets larger than the wielders entire arms. They even changed the appearance of the blades of chaos to fit the more realistic appearance of the Norse games. So, feats visually are skewed unfairly to the cartoony side. Creators are the only reliable source
@@Tribrid-zv3nq the characters have not said anything about which version of Kratos is stronger. Have not said which pantheon is stronger. The only things that were said is that Kratos no longer possesses the magic he used to. And the Greek gods held magical abilities that the Norse did not. Nothing about who is stronger has been said by any of the characters. If you say that they did you are making assumptions that were not said by the characters. The old GoW games were stylized to be more grandiose and frankly a little ridiculous.The new games were made to appear more grounded. That is factual.
You can literally see the feats in the Old games to know Kratos had way more powers and abilities. Maybe he's gotten physically stronger. But not more powerful. Old Kratos is a watered down version of his previous self. Half because his Greek God powers were tied to the land of his realm. And half because he lost a lot of the weapons and his primary motivation -Rage. His rage is what gave him such monstrous power in Greece. In the Norse world he still has that rage but he doesnt really give a fuck about the Gods here. He consistently does not want to fight and holds back against every single god. Only two times did he get a little angry and one slip of his anger is what Killed Heimdall instantly. And Thor got hit harder than anything ever has and lost a tooth from just a single punch. If Kratos completely let loose he would have murdered all of Asgard in less than the first 20 minutes of the game. Asgardian gods are not the Equal of the Olympians by far except for Thor and Odin. But even Kratos INGAME said "I've killed far more poowerful gods" when talking to Mimir and Freya during war preperations. People are looking at the Asgardians through Marvel tinted glasses.
@@tiny4451 you say that like Kratos wasn't the smallest god in Greece, everyone barring Appolo and Hermes was bigger than he was. Icarus of all people was taller than him.
@@rowanfarmer9029 Not even close dude. The axe is just ice and has a nice recal. But cant do anywhere close to the same destructive potential or hax like the Blade of Olympus could. Not to mention his Blades are indestructible Primordial flames.
He definitely is according to cory barlog in 2018 he used less than 30% of his power. And in ragnarok he held back more because he canonically doesn't use spartan rage against the norse gods in that game.
what the hell do you think Thor even does? lightning is an element so are things like fire and ice which are used by both Baldur and Odin, cant forget Freyas control over plants either.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq lightning isn't an element, mimir talks to kratos about the pantheons and how powerful they were. Kratos even says he used to have those powers, but not anymore and mimir said for the best because even the norse gods didnt have those abilitites. plus its the hammer that doing the lightning not thor.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq first of all i didnt see it, for some reason his isnt showing in my feed. second, grow up, stop being a baby, 'waaaah he singled me out'
@@keikaider Thurd had lightning powers long before she had Mjolnir, we see her using them every time she fights alongside Atreus. Also, Mimir never said that the Norse Gods didn't have elemental powers, he was noting that the Greek Gods have a lot of variety.
Ngl, the Norse gods are like regular divine beings whereas the Greek gods are like super divine beings. That's like comparing an average human to a peak-level human.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq When I talk average and peak when talking about Greek Gods and Norse Gods, I'm thinking of Greek Gods as peak-level deities when compare to Norse Gods that appeared as average deities. So yeah, Olympians aren't primordial, but they're not that far behind.
Thor killed kratos in the first fight he had to restart his heart so its 3 deaths with a blood lusted kratos for the Greek gods vs 1 death of a passive kratos for norse, Greek gods win not only in the god of war universe but in the actual mythical pantheon, norse gods are more likable but thats it Greek gods are ridiculously op.
So ridiculously OP that they get killed off the second you encounter them. Poseidon: Killed as soon as you meet him. Hades in his domain against a weakened Kratos: Literally got slain with his own weapon. Baldur: Fight a multitude of times before you actually kill him. Heimdall: Kratos literally had to forge a new weapon to properly combat him. The Norse pantheon stomps.
@@howdoichangemyusername9802Baldur could not be killed by any means. He was immortal and invulnerable of course kratos couldnt kill him. The second his spell broke kratos killed him with a neck snap.
@DirtyStinky yeah cause he was focused on freya not saying kratos wouldnt have won still but baldur definitely wasnt paying attention to kraros when he grabbed his neck
@@hunter-js9zc Dude kratos held his neck for a minute even talking while holding it. Simply put he overpowered baldur cause baldur couldnt get out of it.
@DirtyStinky still doesnt change the fact that kratos grabbed him by surprise its not impossible to hold someone stronger than you in a head lock all im saying is it wouldnt be as easy as you made it sound "snapped his neck as soon as the spell broke" if baldurs attention was on kratos he still was incredibly strong with or without invincibility
I haven't finished Ragnarok yet but between there 2 most powerful gods. Odin comes across more like a mafia don. On the other hand Zeus is more like a military general
Suggestion of the Day DCEU Superman vs God of war Thor DCEU Black Adam vs Kratos Guardians of the Galaxy vs The Eternals Honorable Mentions (Snyder Cut) Justice League vs Godzilla(Monsterverse) Omni man vs Kratos Injustice 1 and 2 vs Mortal kombat 9 X and 11 What do you guys thunk who wins and why?
@The Flash Back hey I appreciate your prediction but what about the last one? Injustice 1 and 2 vs Mortal Kombat 9 X and 11. Assuming if you are comfortable with it.
Honestly, i think, just based off the reactions from freya and mimir when kratos tells them of the powers of the gods from greece,that the greek gods held a power so unimaginable that the norse gods would probably shit their pants if they had to fight them. I mean thor only took one punch from a half assed enraged kratos and basically called it enough, and then later went on to lose to a kratos actively holding back, and before that he beats a god that was thought untouchable with relative ease soo i think it's fair to say greek gods have demonstrated far more power than the norse pantheon*(keep in mind he beat the norse gods without ANY of the powers and MOST of the equipment that he had in greece)
@@it1564 as I said before ygdrassil is a 5d to 6d structure via containing 9 realms and infinite universes and the branches of the tree are already 5d and Thor is capable of destroying it which makes him casually Above 6d. Titans in greek are only 5d via creating universe, space and time and that is 5d feat at max. And greek gods are simular to titans as we see both poseidon and hades struggling to beat one titan (atlas). Only Zeus with the blade of Olimpus or with the power of fear could be 6d but thats debatable. Thor casually one shots all of greek gods via cosmology and feats.
@@iamtheshadows4916 You're wrong buddy. In the codex Kratos says that Thors' punches are "as hard as any I have felt". Meaning he is on par physically. Second Thor did that only with Mjolnir. And didn't you see Poseidon man-handling Titans in gow 3? Greek gods get stronger with age. That's why Poseidon was recking them. It was like 5 titans. And he was also fighting against Gaia and Kratos. And if the world tree is infinite then Thor can't destroy it, only harm it
If you are talking who has the most powerful gods then it’s the Norse gods, it was confirmed in god of war 2018 that Baldur is the strongest god Kratos has ever faced including Greek gods. If we are talking which pantheon would win in a all out fight then Greece would win just from numbers and special abilities
do they even have a way to beat Baldur? I kinda doubt that Freya of all people is gonna be giving away his weakness and the Greek Gods would never think to use Missletoe as a weapon.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 yeah that’s true, but I wasn’t really counting him with immortality😂 if he did have it during the fight it would be kinda unfair even though they could probably trap him. If you make him immortal it’s definitely close but I think Greece stills just about wins
I think it was retconned because Thor is stronger yet in the codex Kratos says his punches were as hard as any he has felt. Look at how he phrases it. He implies that Thor is only stronger with the hammer. And was also retconned when cory barlog said Kratos used less than 30% of his power
@@FatKratos69 the Codex says that Thor hits harder than anyone he's ever met and that the hammer compounds that already immense strength, the wording seems to imply that Thor is or almost is his physically strongest opponent even without the hammer as for Kratos only using 30% of his full power against Thor, I feel like that just puts into perspective how much stronger Norse Kratos is than Greek Kratos, creator statements also say that if Young Kratos and Old Kratos were to come to blows that Old Kratos would easily win.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 No look at how he phrases it in the codex again. If Thor was stronger without the hammer Kratos would've outright stated it instead he implies Thor matches to the greek gods in physical strength. He says that Thors' punches are "as hard as any I have felt". Meaning that Thor is as strong as the strongest greek gods. But with the hammer is stronger, especially since it's made for him. And yeaaa it's crazy because that means that in the first fight against Thor Kratos was holding back alot more against Thor than he did against Magni and Modi. Thor says it himself. And yet Kratos despite holding back alot is holding his own quite well.
And also that with evils hindering them, they would have defeated Kratos by teaming up on him as shown in god of war Ragnarök mural that Kratos can be defeated in numbers like 3v1 and more with gods like atreus, odin and Thor. Imagine Poseidon, Hades, Zeus, Hermes and Heracles just going for Kratos, the titans were nothing to them and were swatted aside and with Kratos alone, not even the magic he got will save him from said gangbang, Zeus already matches him even with all the equipment he has, but with the four I mentioned, he will be destroyed.
Finally. My god finally someone understands that Young Kratos can wipe the floor with Old kratos. The guy had unimaginable powers weapons magic 5-6 kind of rages that were too lethal when he is in greek lands. Plus the support of Titans and it still wasn’t enough to kill Zeus. Zeus almost removed him from existence by choking him and turning him Mortal
He had some insane perks and weapons in the Greek games he would certainly be more versatile and enraged over older kratos but older had more experience and probably more power If he was blood hungry however of krayos had all the perks from titans and extra powers he probably could beat old kratos
If we are talking about the god of war universe the Norse gods don’t even stand a chance . Greek gods reached scales the Norse gods never reached. Poseidon literally grabbed a Titan ( literally the size of a skys capper building and dragged it down like it was nothing .) The blade of Olympus used by Zeus would massacre Odin and Thor both. For Baldur all you’d need is Hercules and baldur is done .magni and moodie cmon their a joke .
@@Tribrid-zv3nq just do matchup to matchup Hercules vs baldur ( Hercules wins) Zeus vs Odin ( zues wins Hades vs Thor ( hades wins) Poseidon vs heindall and valykries ( backup ) Poseidon wins Hermes and helios vs magni and Jodie ( the only matchup in favour of the Norse gods) Aries vs jommangandr ( Aries wins .
People make no sense, if it's in game then it's the Norse Gods. Kratos was stronger but holding back? No and if it's written down that's bad story telling ti boot. The first game is about him defending his son who was threatened with death multiple times....he was not holding back most the time. Holding back his anger maybe, and even then do people nit know how Spartan Rage works....it's rage when u use ur anger ur not holding back im sorry...it's not how it works. If we're talking in real mythology it's easily the Greeks mainly cause there's so much text and content about them when the Norse mythology isn't even close. Also the Norse were way more like a Spartans as they trained and lived to fight and die...that was sorta there thing...I mean replay the Baldur fight and actually pay attention to detail. If kratos let's him heal back up one more time kratos probably loses.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq dude the whole Norse mythology is weak like shit compare to Greek mythology. Zeus and his team would wipe out the entire Norse mythology. That's why Odin and Thor always jealous of Zeus.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq and you sound like a dumb fool immature little kid with no knowledge at all. I can clearly see you a fanboy of Norse mythology cause you love sucking Thor balls from marvel.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq According to the codex Kratos says thay Thors' punches are as hard as any he has felt. Meaning he's on the top greek gods level. And in Ragnarok Kratos uses less than 30% of his power because he tried less than in 2018. Cory said that Kratos used less than 30% of his power in 2018 and in Ragnarok he canonically doesn't even use spartan rage against the norse gods. It proves that Kratos is definitely more powerful than he was in gow 3, they just have to nerf him
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Yea agreed I think the greek pantheon wins overall but the norse is not that far behind. But if the greek pantheon was still alive they would've merced the norse pantheon. Because greek gods get stronger with age.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq I think it's only greek, like maybe other gods can improve in some areas but greeks aren't held back by their body since age doesn't really affect them. That's how I usually see it, and if the norse gods are at this level rn the greeks would've been way stronger by now. Anyways that isn't the point, the point is that now Kratos has changed now.
Norse is more powerful it’s confirmed gow 4 Kratos holding back is stronger then all his previous versions meaning gow 4 Kratos would stomp his younger self who killed the other gods and the Norse gods are boxing him up and making him try via back scaling gow 3 Kratos
W,a lot of people need to wake tf up and realize it's a fact that the Norse Pantheon is stronger lol. Do people ignore the fact that Kratos got stronger in Gow 4? And even stronger in Ragnarok? Due to him getting stronger with age? And the fact that a holding back Thor one shotted a much stronger Kratos...
@@Goat10Solos yes and also he gets amped with ear the Kratos tards forget that ragnorok is literally the biggest war in existence Kratos was heavily amped
What’s funny about this is that kratos is already nerfed due to game play reason if it wasn’t then all the Norse god will be dead within a day or 2 and if he wasn’t holding back then it would only be a couple of hours
People failed to understand Zeus did had kratos beat n he was about to give up when Zeus astral form picked him up n drained all his magic and destroyed most of his weapons kratos was in fear until pandora helped him find hope within him self
I agree that the Greek gods are stronger but they killed a much weaker Kratos(at least physically)and two of the times were just cheap shots(Kratos lost his powers and ares cheap shot killed him with the spear) also he’s not”slower”his physical stats are much better(gods don’t naturally get weaker or get”old”)and some of the Greek gods he fought he didn’t even use weapons he physically overpowered them like posideon (I know he had the blades but it doesn’t seem like he needed them)who’s the second strongest Greek god I seen your previous videos you really need to research better
Young Kratos is as strong as old Kratos physically, dafuq you talking about? Hell, young Kratos would again be stronger since for over 10 years after fleeing greece, Kratos lived as passive as possible, as little conflict as possible and just resting most of the time
@@dabruhold kratos when not holding back is stronger physically than young kratos but he's always holding back young kratos is stronger magically though
@@evil63 „greek gods get stronger the older they get“ a statement everyone loves to throw around without any actual proof of backing that up. We literally never saw Old Kratos do something Young Kratos couldn’t and he was literally crawling away with his fight with Baldur who isn’t stronger than Hercules for instance
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Kratos said thor was his strongest opponent to date. This statement makes your conclusion obsolete.
Plus kratos has better feats then his younger version. Old kratos effortlessly pushed a bridge weighing 1.7 million tons and that’s excluding the weight of the water. He basically pushed a whole bridge and lake effortlessly. Young kratos had practically no feats.
Plus kratos died 3 times by getting caught off guard lmao. Zeus killed a near death kratos and still struggled to overpower him, kratos died to ares without even knowing ares threw something at him, and kratos literally fell to his death from gaia. Kratos even stated that he was falling back in his old ways in Ragnarok meaning he would scale way above his younger self.
Kratos while rusty is still stronger lmfao. He just doesn’t posses his skills. All of your points are really nit picky and taken out of context.
@@bruhmoment3238 Kratos said hes killed far greater gods and directly admits hes lost most of his power.
In the lore it states that as Greek gods get older they get more powerful the only reason that kratos seems weaker is because he's holding back all his power because he is traumatized from his past and and fears what he will do if he unleashes his full strength. The video was still great tho.
does that mean if we aged up the greek gods to the equivalent time it took for him to face the gods they would stomp
@@durrangodsgrief6503 yes lol. In lore by time of God of War 4 and 5 kratos is only using about 10% of his full might, and he is still pretty young God atleast compared to zues so if the rest were alive they'd absolutely stomp
I dont think stabing so hard is holding back . I played the hole game even compared with GOW 3 kratos is more stronger and smarter than his previous versions . This kratos will stomp all his previous versions and he used his iq more than rage this time that's what make him more stronger . And also if kratos was holding back why he needed atreus's assistance to bring Thor down even kratos was exhausted with the fight it shows he didn't held back but just wanted to fight like a true warrior not a bullshit killer
@@trozanyt7917 not true his rage is what makes him stronger why els would spartan rage make him invinsible I love gow 2018 but these new fans who never played the old games dont know how bad kratos is holding back. Only reason hed holding back is because he sees being a god as a curse kratos is fighting his own power the rage inside him he knows hes a monster when not holding back.
@@riomio3515 I played the whole series the only difference is instead of using useless rage kratos is playing smartly like a true warrior and that makes him even more dangerous. In actual any one in rage symbolises destruction, power and anger that is made for kids . But we knew kratos is stronger than his previous forms and using his powers much more efficiently that's why GOW 5 is loved more all over the globe
I believe the Spartan Rage that Kratos display in the Norse Realm is Kratos's default mode in the Greek realm in the first 3 games. He toned his powers down in the norse realm but once he activates it, every God, monster, elf etc all couldn't even land a hit on him being overwhelmed by his true strength. Kratos didn't get weaker in the Norse realm, he just hid his powers.
yeah and the only reason that doesn't just make us one shot everything is because that would be immensely boring. Not being able to get hurt is a nice balance though
Yeah kratos is op as fuck if he revealed all his rage on ragnarok no one could defeat him
Thats becoz it's game mechanics in a live action show we will get the reality
Yeah sadly he'll never go full power or rage mode he'll just hold back everytime
No he's only stronger but definitely not as powerful as classic kratos..the blade of olympus would wipe out the norse realms
Greek gods actually looked like gods and had actual god looking powers and feats, the Norse gods just look like vikings who can do some sorcery
The Norse are all mortal as well. Greeks were immortal
@@dasonmartinez7528 exactly
They own a biker gang
The look ?
Poseidon have glowing tattoos
Hades is basically a red ugly giant
Zeus is a really tall old man with white eyes
@@Planetdestroyer.138 way to simplify it, Odin looks and sounds like an Oldman who works at walgreens, Thor looks like redhead mark Henry, baldur looks like the neighborhood crackhead, heimdal looks like one of those upcoming tiktok dancers
One thing to take note of is that Zeus went out of his way to make himself as unkillable as possible, the only way to stop him was to snuff out the flame of Olympus which no god could touch, in fact if memory serves it killed anyone that tired. The only one close to this is Baldr but his is a curse laid onto him and not something he wanted, but even if the Olympians can't find his weakness they do have other ways to put him down, like Hades ripping out his soul or locking him in Tartarus with the titans. Now the Nords could find Pandora and get rid of the flame, but they would still have a very up hill battle trying to kill Zeus afterwards.
Ares and Zeus boss fights alone puts the Norse God's to shame. Zeus was way harder than any fight in the new God Of War games.
Yeah I remember that Zeus fight pissed me off so much back in the day.
@@KingLouOG I think Ares was a harder boss fight but Zeus is neck in neck with him.
Truth, especially on god mode in 3. Zeus just built different...
A hard boss fight doesnt determine which pantheon is the strongest, thats like saying "Oh i put my game on easy for the Zeus boss fight and the game on hard for the Odin fight, therefore Odin must be stronger cause its a harder fight" use ur brain.
@@GRUSTLER agreed ares was bullshit such a hard fight made feel kratos rage when I finally beat him. the new god of war is just to easy at times.
A video idea that would be cool is the Goliaths from Greek vs the Goliaths from Norse. Specifically jormungandr, fenrir and surtr VS Atlas, Chronos and Gaia
The Greek pantheon is confirmed to be greater. When causally speaking about Heimdall Kratos mentions fighting/killing greater Gods. If there's doubt just compare Zeus's final fight(s) (GoW3) to Odin's (GoWR)... and you'll see who's greater. Any one of the big Greek 3 could have bested Odin. Well, definitely Zeus and maybe Hades... Poseidon died rather quickly, but still. Definitely can't forget about Gaia, Atlas, Cronos... those mostly equal to Zeus himself. Norse is an interesting pantheon for sure but when it comes to power... Greek gods take the cake or should I say... galaktoboureko 👌🏻
No god except GoW3 Kratos is nearly as strong as Zeus.
If you read any info from the books etc Zeus is stated far above any other god and titan.
In fact Hades overpowered prime Cronos,later on got stronger over the years and he was still scared of Zeus in the novel
Nah.
Kratos was comparing heimdall to other gods, he wasn’t comparing the entirety of Norse to the entirety of Greek he was just comparing the individual.
@@bruhmoment3238 He feels the same way about everyone... or at least that's what he told me 🤷🏻♂️
@@noahgraeme he only mentioned heimdall lmao. If you want to compare both gods we can use kratos’s statement where he said thor was his strongest opponent to date.
Poseidon was able to kill a titan with just a singlr punch. The titans are comparable or even superior to the primordials. The primordials basically created the universe by fighting amongst one another. So if u think about it, they unintentionally created it. Same with Hades. Nuff said lmao
The Norse pantheon went down super quickly and fairly easily compared to the Greek pantheon. The Greek pantheon would destroy the Norse pantheon.
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I think Greek because kratos holds back against the Norse gods but not against the Greek ones, yet he still died more in the Greek pantheon then in the Norse one.
Listen close enough, Thor was exhausted. I'm sure he could have kept going, but that heavy breathing. Also Kratos jabbed every weapon he had into him.
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 no where it mentioned that thor was exhausted. Kratos was also fighting beings. Stop overrating that idiot thor
@@DragonBallzMoviesHD Regardless I think Kratos would have won had Thor not heeded. School me please.
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 but we'll not see Kratos jabbed thor with Blade Of Olympous yet, cause the greek god was, you sure thor will up for it?
@@hellcorpses That might be a death sentence for Thor, that blade took out Gaia and Zeus together and ended the great war.
Don’t forget all Zeus has too do is swing the blade of Olympus and they all die
Not, thor, odin, baldur every god
That sword is broken. The way he slaughtered all the titans was just disrespectful! Just one swing!
this man really saying the lead dev is wrong about their own game?
Greek Pantheon STOMPS HARD!!!
Zeus by himself would put up a good fight against Odin, Thor, and Baldur combined! Perhaps even defeat all of them.
Start adding Poseidon, Hades, Hercules, Helios, Hermes, Ares, the freakin Titans! It becomes WAY overkill!
In your dreams cope harder
No doubt! Zeus was a fucking beast yo~
Heimdall can predict every hit, he only dies to Loki in the myth. Baldur is invincible apart from one weakness.
Thor can lift the world serpent, he’s physically stronger than Heracles. Odin has insane magic power levels. Norse gods are underrated.
@@thomasalvarez6456 Being underrated is just how you perceive it. Zues and the god's battled beings with the strength to hold the world up for eternity. They wielded the very elements of nature and creation itself. This left the Norse gods speechless. Thinking that kind of power unimaginable. I'm glad the devs finally answered this question for us and settled the fans analysis of which was stronger once in for all. The Greek gods were just built different.
@@jblauh01 kratos at the end of the first fight with Thor was in shock of what just happened to him
Even if he is holding back he stated that baldur was physically the strongest foe he had faced before he fought Thor of course
Meaning that while greek gods were strong
Kratos himself said the Norse were physically stronger
It’s unknown how the powers would compare but if Thor can beat the world serpent while also fighting Surtur then can definitely beat a titan and Poseidon
Zeus is the only one who could possibly beat him and that’s a hard fight cause if Thor gets close he’s much stronger than zeus but no where near as durable
IMAGINE: Kratos, Thor, Montu, Asura, Monkey King! All the Mythologies in one game
Asura exists. In hindu its a race
What about Maui
I do think Kratos was holding back during the Norse saga but gods get more powerful with age so during his time in Midgard he was most likely stronger then he was in Greece. Based on that even when holding back kratos might as well be as powerful if not more powerful then when he was in Greece
Its implied hes holding back soo much to the point that hes weaker then his young self generally, thor spends most of the time roasting him cause of the stories he heard about young kratos, the true god of war
No the strongest kratos in the beginning of GOW 2 with god armor and massive form (full god power) was stolen by zeus and take it for collosus statue
Yeah gods do get stronger as the age but then again Kratos doesn’t have all the hax weapons and powered by hope like he did against the Greek gods. Kratos was also holding back, rusty and didn’t want to fight the Norse gods and spent the whole time trying to avoid conflict.
I dont know where this rumor came from. Zeus is canonically the youngest olympian. That alone break the statement. Not to mention hades and hera are the oldest simblings of the 12
Narratively he is alot weaker due to him holding back as you mentioned and that can also be shown with in game difficulty. In the trilogy in normal difficulty he needs 20+ hits to die while in the new games he dies from a common mortal raider in 4 hits on "Give me Balance". In trilogy Give me God of War he dies with 3-4 hits while in the new ones he dies instantly, 2 hits if you're really lucky.
I love your points in this and I 100% agree with all of it although I do agree with the developers about Kratos being naturally stronger as God’s get stronger with Age I do still believe it balances out the fact that kratos is holding back so much and is trying to avoid and defuse fight instead of looking for fights like he did when he was younger
I think young and old are equal, though old would likely win in a battle between the two. Young Kratos has his Greek powers, arsenal, "hope", and is completely unhinged. Old Kratos is infinitely wiser, in control of his emotions, more experienced, and probably physically stronger.
@@Fadeddreams5 I dont see old kratos ever winning unless he completely lets loose.
Young Kratos is way too lethal and goes for the kill.
And hope itself is well beyond anything Old Kratos can do
There is a lot of confusion about this.
Devs disagree too
Yes young kratos is more powerful, and old kratos is just more stronger, experienced overall, and more compassionate. If he had his powers then he'd be up over younger kratos in everything but that's not the case
Those are both excellent points
Zeus alone solos norse pantheon
I always thought when kratos mentioned him not using his powers it was the powers like the spartan shield thing he does in 3. Not like him being physically weaker
That’s what he meant. He lost the magic he used to have he isn’t weaker
@@xyoungdipsetx Which is why it's hella weird because he used that argument against the Olympians by saying they can't be stronger just because they have more hax. If Norse Kratos is just multiple times stronger than Greek Kratos physically he'll just take his weapons back like he did against the other gods in the first place. Not to mention that it wasn't just a few developers that said he's stronger than ever it was Cory Barlog who has arguably the most influence on the GoW franchise because he is the only one who directed two games.
He gets stronger when older...demi gods
You forgot to mention that Kratos knocked out Thor's tooth when he punched him in the beginning
And thor spit it out unfazed
@@DirtyStinky unfazed 🤣🤣. Thor got rocked
@@DragonBallzMoviesHD He did spit it out unfazed though.
The punch did rock him but removing the teeth didnt hurt him,it was pretty hardcore
@@DragonBallzMoviesHD Bro rewatch the damn cutscene dummy.🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@DirtyStinky Unfazed? A non spartan rage Kratos punched Thor that he spinned around. Even in the second fight he doesn't hit Thor nearly as hard. And spartan rage isn't his full power.
That wasn't a fractured part of the world tree it was actually frozen lightning
The world serpent was when he did it though, which alone dwarfs anything else we had seen from GoW up until that point. Mostly cause it’s just so down right insane.
Thor vs Zeus, now thats a hard fight
Even if Zeus fails, Fear Zeus might not.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Zeus is actually Also known for his incredible strength.
Zeus one shots fodder thor
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Thor is no where near Zeus in strength. Zeus strength surpasses Atlas who held the cosmos on his back and can pretty much one shot every titans
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Oh ok .
Old Kratos is stronger than young Kratos….. but other than that good video
Nope!
@@mamory3791 cory barlpg said that so yeah
In what way? Old Kratos hasn't displayed anything compared to his younger self
@@utentederiva6992 Talk is cheap
@@heavenlypath1065 Cope,Cory's literally the director for Gow 4 lmao.His words mean more than your headcanon about Gow 3 Kratos being stronger.
i wanna see hades rip baulders soul out after he keeps saying i dont feel anything
I mean Baldur is immune to all threats both physical and magical, even if we assume that only applies to things you can find in the 9 Realms soul magic is something in the 9 Realms, so Hades is fucked in that fight.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 But magic is different from the pantheons, if we take Surtr's comments on the blades of chaos, then Hades would probably be able to suck Baldur's soul out.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 I assume that applies to anything that attacks his body directly. It makes him a tank. But does it protect his soul? That’s something else entirely
@@yoboyrob201 attacking Baldur's soul would be a form of magical attack and Freya wanted Baldur to be completely immortal, and because soul magic is a form of attack used by the Aesir's enemies the Giants I have no doubt that Freya's spell would be made with that in mind
it would be an uncharacteristically massive oversight on Freya's part if she forgot about such a massive threat to her son's life.
@@its_dey_mate Surtur never says anything about various pantheons operating differently heck he says it doesn't matter where the Blades come from due to them carrying primordial fire like his own.
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Greek will win against Norse as Kratos was going all out against them using his Spartan Rage and Power of Hope while Old man Kratos needs to hold back a lot in his Norse adventure like he only lose his cool against Heimdall and Thor (when he punches his teeth out) not to mention he only struggle against Baldur and Thor but still not going all out.
Freya stated when she heard about the sister of fate that no one possess this type of magic in the norse realm and the fact that someone have those powers was beyond her
Doesn’t really prove they would beat the Norse pantheon
@@legendseeker6944 it does prove that they are far superior in term of powers
@@arianalikens5300 that’s just one power though
Magic doesnt always equal power by that logic Freya is stronger than Thor
@@Flipitmixit magically yes
In my opinion Kratos is at least as strong as he was in God of War 3. Take a look at this: in the Norse saga, whenever he gets pushed around too much, the game gives you a prom for Spartan Rage and he becomes invincible (like when the Valkyries pinned him at the spark). In God of War 3, whenever you activate the closest thing to Spartan Rage that the gameplay has, he just pulls the Blade of Olympus. To me that goes to show that in 3 he was in Spartan Rage 24/7, and now, he knows what he can do with that if he doesn't keep it under bay, so he doesn't want to use it. Look at his face after punching Thor, he was mortified, not because of Thor, because he slipped. He knows if he does that too many times his rampage in 3 would be nothing compared to now, when he still has something to lose.
Aha
I get what you mean. I believe that Kratos L3 + R3 rage mode in the norse was just his default mode during his time in Greece.
This is something I've been wondering for a while...so I'm curious.
Group videos with the greek and norse gods are soooo awesome
“That giant freaking snake” the snake be like I have a name
To me, you gotta handle Odin like batman, if odin knows he's going against Zeus and all, he can win, hes a god of tactics afterall and knowledge, he's insanly powerful when he knows who he's fighting
nah odin not that smart, even batman have way more tactics than odin, odin is stupid he lose control just because an undead dwarf
and i think even batman can beat odin with his super suit
Odin is insanely powerful even without Prep in fact i don't think prep amps him all that much
Not this in-game odin. He's cunning and cruel but his tatics are rather crude.
Moreover odin doesn't have any means to deal with the GOW zeus or the fear Zeus.
Normal zeus himself has a lot a magic abilities and unique god powers that can counter whatever odin thows at him. You can check out the gow wiki if you need cause it's a long list so i can't type it myself.
I agree with the Greek gods being more powerful, but not on kratos being weaker in Midgard. You alluded to it in the video when talking about the gods. Having more tricks, don’t make you more powerful. Kratos may have been able to do a bunch of magic when he was younger, which is great, but doesn’t mean he could put older kratos down with it. As you said, kratos is holding back like 95% of the time in the Norse realm. Yet he is able to kill gods that have many abilities. Kratos, like all Greek gods, get more powerful with age. Kratos power seems to grow not just with age, but the more rage he has. Which is why he has Spartan rage, signaling letting loose more of his power. All his attributes like speed ,strength and agility are what his godly powers focuses on. Also counting kratos deaths in Greece aren’t really fair. GOW 1 was kratos at his weakest. Didn’t know he was a god and needed Pandora’s box to put him at that level. Although technically he was able to beat the fury’s at that level. So still powerful. GOW 2 death was him being injured and Zeus coming in to finish him off. Unfair to really count those. He never actually dies in 3. He gets knocked to the underworld, but that not really a death. It’s weird how it worked in that game. I’ll chalk it up to being at mount Olympus.
But the Greek gods are way more powerful when you look at feats. Primordials in Greece had a war where their battle literally created the universe. Just the aftershocks of their battles. Not necessarily them dying like Ymir. Punches!. Then the titans being the second generation are actually stronger than them. Then the gods are even stronger than the titans as they defeated them in the Great War. Not to mention Greek gods and titans hold power over aspects of reality or nature. Time came about when Kronos was born. Gaia is the personification of the earth itself. Zeus controls the heavens, Poseidon the sea. Helios is the sun god. While Thor may be the nurse god of thunder, I wouldn’t say he controlled the very aspect of lightning itself. More like he could use it. I could be wrong on that though. When the Greek gods die, the aspect they controlled goes out of wack until another god is able to take control of it. Which is why the oceans flooded Greece when Poseidon dies. This is why kratos tells Atreus there’s consequences for killing a god. Because there was in Greece. But there aren’t any for the Norse gods, besides the other gods getting angry. Norse gods are basically just powerful people. They control nothing, they do nothing. They honestly live like common folk. The vanir out here living in villages. Odin livin in a cabin basically. The Greeks were grander in power, knowledge and way of life. Greeks win
I have to disagree. The problem I have with this is the power scaling using Kratos. The reason power scaling works is because you are basing two things on something that is a set variable. Kratos is not a set variable due to his difference in strength between the games. And with the devs stating he’s more powerful now, I’ll take their word for it and assume that’s why Kratos can have an easier time fight against Asgard, not because Olympus is better. Kratos having a harder time with the Greek gods than the Norse gods can mean two things: #1, the Greek gods are just stronger, or #2, Kratos has gotten stronger over time, which makes more sense from a lore aspect because gods don’t get less powerful as they age. In 2018, Baulder is said to be “the physically strongest god Kratos has fought.” which makes him stronger than Zeus. Also, in my opinion, punching someone so hard they travel through time is a bigger feat than using magic to travel through time. Overall, I think both of the pantheons are similar in strength, with the Norse pantheon buffed enough to keep up with more powerful Kratos
My think is, the way time and space is set up in the Norse mythology makes certain things more plausible. Their realms sit on a tree. Effect that tree and crazy things can happen. The Greek world doesn’t have that same mechanism, so a feat like that wouldn’t be possible there. Just like how the Norse gods can do the same kind of magic as the Greeks. Their lands simply don’t have that kind of power. But to go against that feat, we can point to the primordials literally punching the universe into existence. That’s a greater feat than Thor. Remember, the titans and gods in Greece are more powerful than the primordials. So they’d be way above Thor
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@@Tribrid-zv3nq no, Kronos killed his father Uranus in a 1v1. He was more powerful. And the gods above that. The developers literally say this as well
@@yoboyrob201 thor splintering ygdrassil>>>greek gods.
Ygdrassil is 5d to 6d structure putting thor casually above 6d to 7 or 8 while punching universe, time and space is 5d at max
@@Tribrid-zv3nq actually they don’t give any indication of how he beat Uranus, other than saying he eventually castrated him. But they definitely say it was a 1v1. As I have also said though, the developers straight up say the titans are above the primordials and that the gods above the titans. As we clearly see them beat them in the Great War
There is also as well the champions in ascencion multiplayer and looking at how many champions, there are thousands to millions, carrying weapons on the universal scale like hyperions spear and his dash that could have the player travel the speed of light and many more, heck they even have mjolnir as just a common weapon and yes its different but it already gives more that greek just has more to offer than the norse do.
The Norse cosmology is literally far bigger lmao+the characters are stronger.This is a fact,discounting it is futile and dumb.
@@Goat10Solos ummm no actually the greek is bigger, what in this comment I say is just one part of a bigger cosmology, you may think that the gods and all just own one planet or mountain, then you are dead wrong on that, there own domains are infinite, even the sky as well, they are reality warpers, this is no contest.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 actually There Are Different Different Universe In Multi-Universe Where Different Different Gods Rule With Their Universe And Multiverse
It’s definitely the Greek gods. Through Kratos and Mimir’s conversations we learn that Kratos has lost all of his powers he stole through the other gods so he’s a weaker version of himself in the new games. Old Kratos beats thor easily. He kind of beat him without much trouble in Ragnorok. Also in another conversation, Mimir is amazed when Kratos confirms the myths about the powers of the Greek pantheon. Their powers extend to major aspects of life such as the sea and the underworld where as the Norse gods have fairly minor capabilities compared to that, such as Odin with knowledge and Thor with Thunder.
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Yeah also that. Thor was going all out where as Kratos was trying attempting to reason with him. Same then Odin as well, they let Freya have her way and that gave him a second chance to continue fighting. Kratos also benefits from having allies with him most of the time.
All i know is kratos punches didnt work on thor until he got serious in the first fight. Only when he got serious did his ounch work so the fact his punches worked in the second fight leads me to beleive he was serious. Also in the thor notes, kratos himself said thor had the heaviest hits hes ever fealt.
@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy first fight he was also probably gauging his strength just like the Heimdall fight.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Thor definitely was going all out. Him and his wife wanted revenge for killing his sons and thought that Kratos was a monster who would harm their daughter.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq What I meant was that the Norse gods have more specific powers. The Greek gods have more vague and all-encompassing powers. This was incomprehensible even to Mimir.
This video highlights a common misconception about Kratos and how he "lost power" when the Greek Lands were destroyed. The thing most people forget is that the VAST MAJORITY of Kratos' "power" and "magic" in GoW 1-3 (including Ascension) came from external sources. In fact, the entire God of War series as it took place in Greece was basically Kratos managing to get continuously beaten down over and over until he pulls some plot ability or special piece of Magic he'd been given upon completing the previous level out of his arse to directly counter whoever his current foe is.
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The "magic" and "great power" Kratos is talking about that he "lost" was all of the extra crap he got from external sources. All his Titan fuelled powers, all his divine artefacts with were ties to or powered by the Gods/other divine/magical sources, THAT is what he lost. By the end of GoW 3 though, he was a literal God himself. He ascended to become the new Olympian God of War at the end of GoW 1 and even though Zeus tricked him into havinf his powers drained by the Blade of Olympus later, by he time he finishes his overall story in GoW 3, he's regained those powers, plus certain degrees of power from several Gods, plus powers granted to him from most of the Titans, plus a host of divinely magical artifacts, weapons and armour and then literal plot power on top of that (Power of Hope is a confirmed plot power by GoW developers). However, following the destruction of those lands, most of those artifacts lost their power, practically every source of power Kratos drew on beyond his own innate abilities was gone - as were the majority of the beings that powered a lot of the magic Kratos once used freely (Because, y'know, he killed them all). Magic is a great example since Kratos has almost no magical capabilities innately but had a host of them given to him by various divine figures from across the Greek Pantheon.
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The only thing that remained were the Blades of Exile and I actually appreciate the bit of dialogue from Surtr calling them a primordial power as it indicates that Athena/Ares depending on if you view these as weapons that evolved from the original Blades of Chaos or different entirely fashioned these weapons from some primordial power source not solely just through Greek Pantheonic magic. That, and the fact that the Blades are bound to Kratos himself which would assumedly mean that he is a source of power for them in his own right - hence why they still function.
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The thing is that the devs, creative director and even many writers of GoW claim that Kratos is more powerful than ever while in the Norse Lands. That's a hard thing to get around. However, realistically, we shouldn't have to since we know that:
A) Kratos is a legitimate God and has been since the end of GoW 1.
B) As a demi-god who ascended, Kratos does not need worship to sustain his godly power (much like Herakles) though it can empower him FURTHER.
C) As an Olympian God, he grows more powerful as he ages.
D) Kratos' own divine power is his own outside of any of the external buffs he got and relied upon in GoW 1-3.
E) Generally, Feats>Anti-feats. Ergo, Kratos having a harder time againat the Greek Gods is not some anti-feat for the Norse Gods. It's a testament to Kratos being More powerful later in life, not necessarily the Norse Gods being weaker - but that very much goes against the premise of this video which, in my humble opinion, is incorrect. Certainly not an invalid premise, but one that I feel has more evidence against it than supporting it.
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Basically, the whole premise of this video is that Kratos was more powerful when he was fighting the Greek Gods than when he was fighting the Norse Gods. Despite the reasonable arguments presented to support this, it overlooks the fact that the majority of the power Kratos wielded in GoW 1-3 was given to him from artefacts, Gods, Titans and Monsters rather than being his own personal power. This is very different to GoW 4 and Ragnarok where, while he DOES get some pretty awesome gear and some extra abilities, these things aren't outright carrying him through the games like they were in GoW 1-3. Even the fact Kratos died multiple times and had to be brought back with external help shows that he was far weaker back then. Each time he comes back, half of his story involves going on a glorified divine Treasure Hunt in order to gather more powers and artifacts to relqce what was dtripped from him upon his last death because he can't hope to face the Gods without them (compare that to when Kratos actually had his godly powers and the other Gods - even Zeus - saw him as enough of a threat to strip them from him "just in case"). Every single boss fight he had help from an external source, power, ability or individual and even then, he's usually still outmatched and needs to find a way to creatively use his 3rd party powers or weapons (or even just plain luck) to barely eek out a victory. He would never have made it to where he did without all this extra stuff carrying him there.
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Compare that to in the Norse Realms and most of the power we see is Kratos' own, innate power. Sure he gets the Leviathan Axe and the shield and a few other neat little goodies, but nothing like the veritable arsenal of weapons, armour and magical spells/abilities he's given in the previous games. That's why they say that KRATOS is more powerful than ever but why it also makes sense that he "lost a lot of power/magic" when the Greek Lands were destroyed and why he can't get it back - Because the sources of those powers and abilities, of those artifacts and that magic are all dead and/or destroyed.
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With that in mind, it would seem to me that the only way to then get a reasonable scale for how powerful the different Gods are would to be working out their feats, how those scale to each other and then comparing old Kratos vs Young Kratos with all gear and see who is more powerful for either scaling purposes.
I did and i agree with it.
Kratos put all his god power in the blade of Olympus. And after leaving Hades, burned Prometheus and gained his godly powers back from him and eventually taking Hades' soul. At the end of gow2, he was going to kill Zeus then and there with his bare hands.
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Man who would read all that😂
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You'd be surprised. Still this seems like a rather pointless comment except to indicate to anyone reading this that you find the simple task of reading difficult.
Greek Pantheon, no question.
Stated by the Creator that older kratos is actually the strongest.
yes when it comes to streghtn but old kratos doesnt have all the weapons and powers/abilities young kratos has
Where did he say that?
11:55 Why would Kratos hold back against Thor? For all he knows his son could be in danger as he was left with Odin, so holding back would've just decreased the chances of him saving Atreus and himself.
He did hold back, its like, the only thing Thor says during that fight. He is also rusty, he hasn't fought anything bigger than a draugr at best in 3 years AND he wanted to defuse the situation and DIDN'T go all out at all.
Because Kratos Killed His Sons He Knows Thor's Pain So He's Not Trying To Fight
Consequences.
According to cory barlog he used less than 30% of his power in 2018. And in Ragnarok he holds back more, he canonically doesn't use spartan rage against the norse gods in that game.
Also they have to nerf Kratos or the story would've been over in the first game.
The Norse Pantheon is stronger,this isn't even debatable.
Baldur was confirmed to be the strongest foe Kratos has ever fought.And guess who thought this.....The man himself lmao.
Cory Barlog confirmed that Gow 4 Kratos would no diff Gow 3 Kratos.
The Ragnarok Codex has Kratos saying how Thor's hits are the hardest he's ever felt.
Kratos gets stronger the older he gets,Gow 4 takes place like 1,000 or 200 years after Gow 3.
Thor easily on shotted a much stronger Kratos holding back,both were actually.Gow Ragnarok takes place 3 years after Gow 4,meaning Kratos got stronger obviously.
Almost every Norse God is more powerful than the entire Greek Pantheon.this shouldn't be disputed,yet some people can't cope with the fact that Baldur negs Zeus.
Also I'll just copy and paste these for everyone to cope:
Cory Barlog already confirmed GOW4 Kratos > GOW3 Kratos lol.
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Baldur is stated in the novel to be far greater than any opponent Kratos has faced in his past life, which would include Zeus:
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In Ragnarok Codex, Thor's hits were stated to be harder than anything Kratos has felt before. Which would include both Baldur and Zeus:
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Add to that the fact that Gods get stronger overtime.
GOWR Kratos > GOW4 Kratos > GOW3 Kratos"
lets not forget the fact tht Odin actually beat Kratos in their fight, he and Atreus had to be saved by Freya.
speaking of Freya she is even more powerful than Odin, heck part of her backstory is that when Odin and Thor tried initiating a slaughter in Jounteheim she bitch slapped both of them and dragged them back to Asgard.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788Exactly lmao.
Damn didn't know Freya was that bad lmao.People need to cope and realize the Norse Gods neg.
@@Goat10Solos yeah the only reason Odin was able to even place those curses on Freya to begin with was because he had them specifically targeted towards her vulnerabilities which he learned over years of marriage.
@@Goat10Solos no lmao freya litteraly stated that no one in the norse have powers like the sisters of fates clearly she was shitting just by thinking at this kind of powers
Freya said that no being or god would get folded by the sisters of fate. Zeus is superior to them. The greek gods are superior to the primordials, beings who literally created the universes. Their punches were literally big bangs. Poseidon even killed a titan with a single punch. Hades managed to overpower one. Think about it. You mentioned that greek gods get more powerful as time goes on. In the great war. We both can agree that the gods were much, much weaker than they were in gow 3. But it took only 2 of them to defeat Atlas, who was able to hold the weight of the earth and both the heavens.
Greek gods actually feel like gods, there powers, palaces, and titles reflected that, the Norse feel like just magic people, they live impossibly long but that seems to be the only god thing about them. They don’t command the forces that be and even the most powerful of the gods like Thor, tyr, baldur, and Odin pale in comparison to the prior creatures kraits fought, even something like Cronus I feel could beat them.
I believe Thor, Odin, Heimdall and Baldur could at least hold their own against the Greek Pantheon. I mean you got two guys who knocked out the World serpent, another who went toe to toe with both Kratos, Freya and Atreus, and one who was practically untouchable until a new weapon was introduced.
Hades can steal souls, even titan souls. And weve seen from odin hes soul can be trapped. Zeus can output more power than thor and is way more experienced in fighting, posiedons the weak chain here however he can tke out multiple titans in a minute so theres that. Thats just the main 3 we aint even getting to the 12 yet
hermes practically has infinite speed, so he would actually just speedblitz everyone below thor
Hold their own, sure, but eventually still lose
Facts
Same could be said for the Olympian Gods like Ares which they had Kratos draw power from Pandoras box which gave to any mortal the power to kill a God among many magical abilities. A bunch of Olympians where directly lending Kratos their powers to even stand a chance against Ares and especially the same can be said Zeus which Kratos couldn't outright beat in the second game and instead had to outsmarting into believing Kratos had a deathwish.
Only in the third game with the power of hope and his entire arsenal of weapons and magical abilities was he able to finally beat just by a loose thread.
i completely agree, the evidence to support how powerful the greek gods and kratos were is there.
Greek Gods no diff, they have Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, Atlas, Ares, Gaia, Hercules, Athena, Helios, Hermes, Cronos, Thanatos, Sisters Of Fates, Persephone, Oceanus, Hyperion, Perses, Perseus, The Furies while the Norse Gods only have Jormungandr, Baldur, Heimdall, Thor, Freya, Freyr, Sif, Norns, Valkryies, Fenrir, Mimir, Ymir
Nope it's more like high difficulty for Greeks a lot of there fighters get one shot
@@Vader255 like who lol and all of them are in their prime
@Elias Aquino Mijares they all get one shot by sutur who is stated above Odin and Thor combined. Zeus is stated the strongest in his verse and can one shot anyone as stated in the novels. Then Odin is stated equal to base Zeus so really the only relevant people are sutur,zeus,odin,freya,thor,Posiden,maybe freyr with his sword,cronos,Hercules,Hemidall,Gaia,Baldur but only with his hax,and Ares
@@Vader255 sutur didn't do shit in ragnarok only at the very end and their is no evidence to support he's above thor and odin
@Elias Aquino Mijares nah its stated the propchey of ragnarok is him scrapping with Thor and Odin and destroying all of asgard.
I couldn't disagree more. Kratos is a little more rusty and has lower endurance as an older man. But is *WAAAY MORE POWERFUL* in GOW Ragnarok. And Thor and only Thor is so many times stronger than Kratos until in a cutscene he has to dodge everything. Even on normal difficulty you can't even block most of Thor's attacks. (The second time they fight Thor isn't in his right mind because of family issues too)
And Kratos needed a special weapon just to even Kill Heimdall. That spear, remember?
I disagree, in the codex Krayos says Thors punches were as hard as any he has felt. He's as strong as the top greek gods. Meaning he's only stronger with the hammer.
Second according to cory barlog in 2018 he used less than 30% of his power the whole game. And in Ragnarok he holds back more. He canonically doesn't use spartan rage against the norse gods in Ragnarok. And it fits with Cory stating that he could solo the border pantheon awhile back.
@@FatKratos69 The Norns had predicted Kratos' death. It did not happen because he got the spear.
But I'll also cut to the chase and shut this down-- Kratos is holding back, Thor holds back, and *KILLS KRATOS BY ACCIDENT*.
That's why Thor had to resuscitate Kratos. Thor was holding back and still killed him...BY ACCIDENT. I LOOKED IT UP BY THE WAY TOO, YOUR CLAIM WITH COREY IS UNFOUNDED.
In the beginning of 2018 God of war, he really was holding back though. The main reason aside from grief is that he was trying to hide from Atreus that he was a god.
@@hermanjohnson9180 He did when he was asked by a youtuber. Also in raising Kratos, Cory Barlog talks about having to nerf Kratos and stuff like that dude.
@@hermanjohnson9180 Lol imagine typing in all caps for a fictional character. Kratos beat Thor mostly without trouble. And beat most norse gods without even being close to his boiling point unlike in the greek pantheon. He's holding back his rage alot. And Kratos also easily tanked a hit from a full power Thor with mjolnir.
Edit- Even if I am wrong about the 30% part it still doesn't take away how easily he beat these gods. He overpowered Thor in a clash and didn't give him any serious punches. And In the first fight Thor implies Kratos tried more against his sons.
Also like I said he didn't use spartan rage canonically against the norse gods in Ragnarok. Spartan rage is his true power but not full power because he holds back and controls his rage. Kratos powers up by rage. He held back massively, get over it dude.
And if you want to go by gameplay during spartan rage Kratos is basically unstoppable that not even Thor with mjolnir can hurt or touch him if he wanted to and Odin too, no one can....
*Quit
While I do believe that there are Norse gods that can defeat some of the Greek gods, I do believe that in the god of war universe, the Greek gods are overall more powerful than the Norse gods. There are even conversations between Kratos, Mimir, and Freya in god of war ragnarok that heavily suggests that the Greek gods were more powerful than the Norse gods.
I don't think a lot of salt can be put on those conversations cos though Mimir is smart he didn't understand /believe that thor could knock the world serpent into the past.
And he did. I don't know if he knows everything.
Someone also noted that in mythology mjolnir is lifted6by strength not being worthy. It's really heavy and Kratos had a hard time lifting it. Thrud and odin however didn't
*Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical.*
He lost all that when he got an arrow tip jab in him
@@jimtaylor6930 Only Mistletoe can do that, use anything else and it's utterly useless.
@Just A Broke Zombie he still lost everything when the arrow tip got jab into him and the arrow tip was green . That was when he stated he could feel everything. Need I say more !. Or did you forget Freya swap arrows with Atreas . The green ones for what she gave him. Except for the one that got broke.
@@jimtaylor6930 I am using Baldur that hadn't lost the blessing. Let's call this, "Pre-mistletoe Baldur". I did not forget the story, I am a lore nerd. So chill out.
@Just A Broke Zombie I have not played this game yet. I'm going on what I have seen here on UA-cam videos. That's good. You're a lore nerd
Sorry if you got but hurt
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Physical strength wise they are comparable,slight edge to the Greeks.
But the Greeks have far more powers
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Even Odin Doesn't Have Magics Like The Fates Of Greece
I think Kratos said himself that the Greek pantheon were overall tougher & way more ruthless, and Mimir confirmed this by saying “from the stories I heard, they all had it coming.” Because of this it’s fair to say Kratos “took it easy” on the Norse Gods (in fact Thor was the only one that stood a fighting chance against him), but if he encounters the Egyptian pantheon in the next game (which has been hinted at all the way since GOW Ascension was released), then that’ll be a WHOLE new ball game. It will be worse than what happened in Greece. Kratos might have to revert to his old self against them, because they are truly fucking vicious & will not try to bargain with Kratos like Odin, they will NOT hold back. Sekhmet vs Kratos would be an absolute bloodbath (and I mean that literally, her official title is “The Bloodthirsty”) It’ll be interesting to see how Sony Santa Monica reinterprets her because according to the myths she can be 1000x worse than Ares
Mimir and Freya both confirm that Odin didn't have the power that the Greek Gods had. So that alone tells you who is stronger.
Ragnarok already confirmed in game dialog that the Greek Pantheon was more powerful.
While the Greek Gods are undoubtably more numerous, there's a few things that I feel like people forget
1. Kratos' deaths in Greece were a result of him being outsmarted, not outpowered, hell, he would have straight up killed Zeus in God of War 2 had Athena not fucked everything up
2. Every Greek God starts a fight underestimating Kratos, basically hyping themselves up then getting absolutely flattened in the actual fight, no different to what happens to Heimdall, only difference is that Heimdall could actually back up his shit talk, which is why Kratos needed an entirely new weapon that acted autonomously in order to land hits on Heimdall, who could have still won had he not thrown everything to the wayside by throwing a hissy fit
3. The Norse Gods have extremely, extremely potent hax that the Greek Gods have never shown to have, we're talking things like Freya's binding that could incapacitate Odin just by pulling on a piece of rope he used, or Bifrost being seen as an actual credible threat to Kratos, or just flat out turning every single Norse God invincible using the same thing that Freya did to Baldur, and then stabbing their hands with Mistletoe once they exhaust the Greek Gods
I agree with the death part. But heimdall, while he did poses a good ability, was solely depended on it. Take that one advantage away and he a kinda weak god. As far as hax goes, the Norse don’t really have that many like you think. The only reason Freya could do what she did with the rope was because it was a “charged” item Odin used at one point to gain knowledge. I can’t give you a definitive definition of charged item, but most likely he did something very specific to it probably putting his essence in it or at least his power. Binding him to it some way. Very specific ability and not applicable in most cases. We also don’t know the full mechanics of the invincibility spell Freya did for baulder. It is their best hax but probably takes a lot of setup and isn’t easy to do. Otherwise Freya would have just did it before Ragnarok and they would have dogwalked the aesir. The Greek gods had control over different aspects of reality and nature. That trumps all the magic that most of the Norse gods can wield.
@@yoboyrob201 yessir, platonic concepts
By hax you mean Ares Killing Hades Barbarian Armies With A Thought Only ? Can any of the Norse gods do this ?
We got a glimpse of Kratos's past self in that one punch at the end of the Thor fight. Young Kratos punches like that through every hit (maybe even harder), he would beat Thor to a pulp even worse than he did to Hercules, even with his bare hands. That's without mentioning the magic, the Blades of Exile which are stronger than the axe, Hermes boots, Helios's head (power of the Sun), Blade of Olympus (strong enough to release the power of hope which is seemingly boundless), Hades Claws, etc.
Imagine we’d use EVERY god from the pantheons even the ones that didn’t appear yes norses top tier powerhouses are Odin, Thor, Vidarr, and Baldur but Tyr and Freya are massively underrated but it’s not fair when they’re going up against Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Ares, Hercules, Deimos, Phobos, and Orion.
The powers of the greek seem more magic paced(aside from odin of loki) the norse gods powers seem simple but strong with most of them seemingly to all have super strength and decent fighting capabilities.
Sure Heracles and Zeus could brawl but how about Apollo?Hermes? even Poseidon didn't have much in terms of just hand to hand ,strong sure but relied heavily in his powers.
Apollo wasn't even in god of wat
Poseidon is almost as strong as Zeus so hes very strong and in the lore he shook the earth by clenching his fist and Hermes is strong while running and he created the concept of fire probably by running so fast
@@evil63 mythology or in game
@@johnathanhill7497 lore
@@evil63 when? can I get a source?
@DanCo This IMO is your best breakdown and analysis yet🤝
Yeah i was very surprised to see such a quality breakdown
Kratos is much stronger in the Norse games.
He is probably even stronger than he was in his giant form in God of War 1 and 2.
Norse absolutely wipe the floor with Greeks.
Its hard to compare greek vs norse in these games because the gods were portrayed very differently. Like og god of war was over the top action and made the gods seem like literal gods while I feel like the norse gods are still potrayed godly they seem to be more down to earth relative to scale and almost a more human level
11:00 Hey, give my boy Heimdall some, credit, without the draupnir spear they made to specifically hurt him, Kratos wouldn’t have even be able to hit him and Kratos called him a formidable opponent in the journal.
Kratos Also Said He Killed Gods Greater Than Heimdall 💀
@@beastak2.081 Yeah cos he’s fought beings like Zeus, that doesn’t mean much cos Baldur was a problem and kratos has fought greater foes than him. He isn’t the strongest but he’s not a push over.
Imo Heimdall and Baldur were the toughest Norse gods to fight all the others were light work.
@@kylereese5841 kratos has fought faster people like the sisters of fate hermes in the lore hermes is insanely fast
@@evil63 but out of them all Heimdall was the one he needed to make a new weapon for
kratos says in the codex for thor ( that’s written form from his perspective) that Thor’s hits are the heaviest/strongest he’s ever felt instantly putting thor>>Zeus and the Greek gods
I find it pathetic how almost everyone here literally votes for the Greek Gods,despite it being a clear fact that the Norse Gods are stronger.
@@Goat10Solos literally the best feats from the god of war franchise literally comes from the Norse pantheon people are blinded by nostalgia and spectacle of the old games
Physical brute strength and hax are totally different things.
It’s also been 1000 years since GoW so I severely doubt he remembers how strong the other gods and primordials were.
Not to mention Kratos was fighting them with the power of hope in his arsenal so who’s to say how much of that power negated Zeus etc hits.
@@ImAdaptking first of all you have to prove that kratos forgot how strong is old enemies were (which you can’t) second of all, he only used the power of hope against Zeus not all of the Greek gods thirdly Cory confirmed that kratos still has the power of Hope inside of him and lastly for the upcoming art book for God of war Ragnarok that’s being released in 27 December and co written by
Cory and the rest of the writers of the Norse saga few pages have leaked specifically Odin’s that says that Odin himself is the most powerful enemy in the god of war franchise
@@mr.gishere844 no that’s false Corey said Kratos still has a small part of the power of hope in him
He had the full strength of it before and a lot of his immunities and hax left when Olympus fell which is all confirmed.
If he had all the powers he had in Greece he wouldn’t have had the potential of dying in the Norse pantheon.
7:30...i mean, you can believe what you want....but the creators of the game and mythos do have the factual say in the series.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq well the two sagas were done in completely different styles. You can't go off of actual feats when one has things take a more realistic appearance (Norse)and the other look a lot more cartoony(Greek)
One has giant 8 foot swords and giant gauntlets larger than the wielders entire arms. They even changed the appearance of the blades of chaos to fit the more realistic appearance of the Norse games.
So, feats visually are skewed unfairly to the cartoony side. Creators are the only reliable source
@@Tribrid-zv3nq i just explained why feats between the two are visually unreliable. But whatever, just ignore the people that make the lore i guess.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq the characters have not said anything about which version of Kratos is stronger. Have not said which pantheon is stronger. The only things that were said is that Kratos no longer possesses the magic he used to. And the Greek gods held magical abilities that the Norse did not. Nothing about who is stronger has been said by any of the characters. If you say that they did you are making assumptions that were not said by the characters.
The old GoW games were stylized to be more grandiose and frankly a little ridiculous.The new games were made to appear more grounded. That is factual.
Just look at their lifestyle. One lives in marble palaces, the other in shoddy wood cabin😂
You can literally see the feats in the Old games to know Kratos had way more powers and abilities. Maybe he's gotten physically stronger. But not more powerful.
Old Kratos is a watered down version of his previous self. Half because his Greek God powers were tied to the land of his realm. And half because he lost a lot of the weapons and his primary motivation -Rage.
His rage is what gave him such monstrous power in Greece. In the Norse world he still has that rage but he doesnt really give a fuck about the Gods here. He consistently does not want to fight and holds back against every single god.
Only two times did he get a little angry and one slip of his anger is what Killed Heimdall instantly. And Thor got hit harder than anything ever has and lost a tooth from just a single punch.
If Kratos completely let loose he would have murdered all of Asgard in less than the first 20 minutes of the game. Asgardian gods are not the Equal of the Olympians by far except for Thor and Odin.
But even Kratos INGAME said "I've killed far more poowerful gods" when talking to Mimir and Freya during war preperations.
People are looking at the Asgardians through Marvel tinted glasses.
Let's be honest they even decrease Kratos height just to make Thor look intimidating
@@tiny4451 you say that like Kratos wasn't the smallest god in Greece, everyone barring Appolo and Hermes was bigger than he was.
Icarus of all people was taller than him.
Kratos is 9' tall hes stronger now than he was then he just lost the bullshit magic from his homeland that's
I think the axe is stronger than all of his Greek magic
@@rowanfarmer9029 Not even close dude. The axe is just ice and has a nice recal. But cant do anywhere close to the same destructive potential or hax like the Blade of Olympus could. Not to mention his Blades are indestructible Primordial flames.
I know for a fact that kratos has to get a power boast for the EGYPTIAN GODS because their Equal to the Greek gods some are more powerful
He definitely is according to cory barlog in 2018 he used less than 30% of his power. And in ragnarok he held back more because he canonically doesn't use spartan rage against the norse gods in that game.
Geek easily, the Norse don’t even have control over the elements
what the hell do you think Thor even does? lightning is an element
so are things like fire and ice which are used by both Baldur and Odin, cant forget Freyas control over plants either.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq lightning isn't an element, mimir talks to kratos about the pantheons and how powerful they were. Kratos even says he used to have those powers, but not anymore and mimir said for the best because even the norse gods didnt have those abilitites. plus its the hammer that doing the lightning not thor.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq first of all i didnt see it, for some reason his isnt showing in my feed. second, grow up, stop being a baby, 'waaaah he singled me out'
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 its the hammer that does the lightning not thor. which is why thrud had the lightning when she picked up the hammer.
@@keikaider Thurd had lightning powers long before she had Mjolnir, we see her using them every time she fights alongside Atreus.
Also, Mimir never said that the Norse Gods didn't have elemental powers, he was noting that the Greek Gods have a lot of variety.
Thena (MCU) vs Queen Maeve (Amazon)
Now do the Egyptian mythology vs Chinese mythology
Ngl, the Norse gods are like regular divine beings whereas the Greek gods are like super divine beings. That's like comparing an average human to a peak-level human.
There you are Sphere!
@@Tribrid-zv3nq When I talk average and peak when talking about Greek Gods and Norse Gods, I'm thinking of Greek Gods as peak-level deities when compare to Norse Gods that appeared as average deities. So yeah, Olympians aren't primordial, but they're not that far behind.
Thor killed kratos in the first fight he had to restart his heart so its 3 deaths with a blood lusted kratos for the Greek gods vs 1 death of a passive kratos for norse, Greek gods win not only in the god of war universe but in the actual mythical pantheon, norse gods are more likable but thats it Greek gods are ridiculously op.
So ridiculously OP that they get killed off the second you encounter them.
Poseidon: Killed as soon as you meet him.
Hades in his domain against a weakened Kratos: Literally got slain with his own weapon.
Baldur: Fight a multitude of times before you actually kill him.
Heimdall: Kratos literally had to forge a new weapon to properly combat him.
The Norse pantheon stomps.
@@howdoichangemyusername9802Baldur could not be killed by any means. He was immortal and invulnerable of course kratos couldnt kill him. The second his spell broke kratos killed him with a neck snap.
@DirtyStinky yeah cause he was focused on freya not saying kratos wouldnt have won still but baldur definitely wasnt paying attention to kraros when he grabbed his neck
@@hunter-js9zc Dude kratos held his neck for a minute even talking while holding it. Simply put he overpowered baldur cause baldur couldnt get out of it.
@DirtyStinky still doesnt change the fact that kratos grabbed him by surprise its not impossible to hold someone stronger than you in a head lock all im saying is it wouldnt be as easy as you made it sound "snapped his neck as soon as the spell broke" if baldurs attention was on kratos he still was incredibly strong with or without invincibility
i would say the greek pantheon is superior do the fact that aesir gods are meant to die
If the developers say hes more powerful now then he is, they literally made the games. That being said i think the greek gods do beat the norse gods
Gonna be honest, i dont see it man, hes like goerge foreman , a monster brawler when he was young turned methodical sniper with age
I'm not surprised the Greek Gods win here!
I haven't finished Ragnarok yet but between there 2 most powerful gods. Odin comes across more like a mafia don. On the other hand Zeus is more like a military general
The next game should force kratos into his "old ways" that people are craving to see but from a story angle of redemption
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Thor negs the verse.
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@The Flash Back hey I appreciate your prediction but what about the last one?
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@@Goat10Solos comics Superman bodies any version of Godzilla
Honestly, i think, just based off the reactions from freya and mimir when kratos tells them of the powers of the gods from greece,that the greek gods held a power so unimaginable that the norse gods would probably shit their pants if they had to fight them. I mean thor only took one punch from a half assed enraged kratos and basically called it enough, and then later went on to lose to a kratos actively holding back, and before that he beats a god that was thought untouchable with relative ease soo i think it's fair to say greek gods have demonstrated far more power than the norse pantheon*(keep in mind he beat the norse gods without ANY of the powers and MOST of the equipment that he had in greece)
norse kratos is much stronger and Thor one shots greek gods via ygdrassil feat
@@iamtheshadows4916 Doubt it, maybe he might beat some of the lower gods but as soon as thor reaches any of the big three in greece he's getting wiped
@@it1564 as I said before ygdrassil is a 5d to 6d structure via containing 9 realms and infinite universes and the branches of the tree are already 5d and Thor is capable of destroying it which makes him casually Above 6d.
Titans in greek are only 5d via creating universe, space and time and that is 5d feat at max.
And greek gods are simular to titans as we see both poseidon and hades struggling to beat one titan (atlas).
Only Zeus with the blade of Olimpus or with the power of fear could be 6d but thats debatable.
Thor casually one shots all of greek gods via cosmology and feats.
@@iamtheshadows4916 You're wrong buddy. In the codex Kratos says that Thors' punches are "as hard as any I have felt". Meaning he is on par physically.
Second Thor did that only with Mjolnir. And didn't you see Poseidon man-handling Titans in gow 3? Greek gods get stronger with age. That's why Poseidon was recking them. It was like 5 titans. And he was also fighting against Gaia and Kratos.
And if the world tree is infinite then Thor can't destroy it, only harm it
@@iamtheshadows4916 thor can't destroy the world and he only splintered it because he clash with the world serpent
Amazing video I’m going with the Greek gods also your next vid idea: JL and Avengers vs the gods
Bro baldur feels emotions 💀
If you are talking who has the most powerful gods then it’s the Norse gods, it was confirmed in god of war 2018 that Baldur is the strongest god Kratos has ever faced including Greek gods. If we are talking which pantheon would win in a all out fight then Greece would win just from numbers and special abilities
do they even have a way to beat Baldur? I kinda doubt that Freya of all people is gonna be giving away his weakness and the Greek Gods would never think to use Missletoe as a weapon.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 yeah that’s true, but I wasn’t really counting him with immortality😂 if he did have it during the fight it would be kinda unfair even though they could probably trap him. If you make him immortal it’s definitely close but I think Greece stills just about wins
I think it was retconned because Thor is stronger yet in the codex Kratos says his punches were as hard as any he has felt. Look at how he phrases it. He implies that Thor is only stronger with the hammer. And was also retconned when cory barlog said Kratos used less than 30% of his power
@@FatKratos69 the Codex says that Thor hits harder than anyone he's ever met and that the hammer compounds that already immense strength, the wording seems to imply that Thor is or almost is his physically strongest opponent even without the hammer
as for Kratos only using 30% of his full power against Thor, I feel like that just puts into perspective how much stronger Norse Kratos is than Greek Kratos, creator statements also say that if Young Kratos and Old Kratos were to come to blows that Old Kratos would easily win.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 No look at how he phrases it in the codex again. If Thor was stronger without the hammer Kratos would've outright stated it instead he implies Thor matches to the greek gods in physical strength. He says that Thors' punches are "as hard as any I have felt". Meaning that Thor is as strong as the strongest greek gods. But with the hammer is stronger, especially since it's made for him.
And yeaaa it's crazy because that means that in the first fight against Thor Kratos was holding back alot more against Thor than he did against Magni and Modi. Thor says it himself. And yet Kratos despite holding back alot is holding his own quite well.
And also that with evils hindering them, they would have defeated Kratos by teaming up on him as shown in god of war Ragnarök mural that Kratos can be defeated in numbers like 3v1 and more with gods like atreus, odin and Thor. Imagine Poseidon, Hades, Zeus, Hermes and Heracles just going for Kratos, the titans were nothing to them and were swatted aside and with Kratos alone, not even the magic he got will save him from said gangbang, Zeus already matches him even with all the equipment he has, but with the four I mentioned, he will be destroyed.
Good job going over the lore
At the end of the day, I believe its anyone's game. They're all powerful, and theyll fuck anyone up regardless if they win or lose.
Kratos as a old man is stronger faster and smarter he is a GOD he gets stronger with age younger Kratos would never stand a chance
Nope!
CAP
power of hope would like to say ohterwise
Stop the cap. Young kratos have op magic and weapons which the old one lost plus the power of hope. So no old kratos is weaker
He literally was faster, stronger, and had more powers and abilities when he was younger.
Not to mention greater weapons. Magic. And HOPE
Finally. My god finally someone understands that Young Kratos can wipe the floor with Old kratos. The guy had unimaginable powers weapons magic 5-6 kind of rages that were too lethal when he is in greek lands. Plus the support of Titans and it still wasn’t enough to kill Zeus. Zeus almost removed him from existence by choking him and turning him Mortal
He had some insane perks and weapons in the Greek games he would certainly be more versatile and enraged over older kratos but older had more experience and probably more power If he was blood hungry however of krayos had all the perks from titans and extra powers he probably could beat old kratos
He gets stronger the older he gets 300 years since he fought zues u don't think he got way stronger
Where your source on this?
Yeah they get stronger as they age but he holds back
@@evil63 kratos is the youngest but is clearly the most powerful
@@ssj4galactus what?
@@evil63 age = power, but kratos is the youngest and he killed everyone
Man this is tough
I agree
Don’t forget that Baldur told Kratos that the Olympian Gods was suppose to be so much better then them.
He thought Kratos was a Giant
If we are talking about the god of war universe the Norse gods don’t even stand a chance . Greek gods reached scales the Norse gods never reached. Poseidon literally grabbed a Titan ( literally the size of a skys capper building and dragged it down like it was nothing .) The blade of Olympus used by Zeus would massacre Odin and Thor both. For Baldur all you’d need is Hercules and baldur is done .magni and moodie cmon their a joke .
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Poseidon>His Horses
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Hercules would snap baulder's neck that would make kill him for a moment
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Poseidon Is The 3rd Powerful God Without Water, He Also Defeated Titans Without Waters Nearby Or Did You Forget ?
@@beastak2.081 Heimdall runs rings around Hercules
@@Tribrid-zv3nq just do matchup to matchup
Hercules vs baldur ( Hercules wins)
Zeus vs Odin ( zues wins
Hades vs Thor ( hades wins)
Poseidon vs heindall and valykries ( backup ) Poseidon wins
Hermes and helios vs magni and Jodie ( the only matchup in favour of the Norse gods)
Aries vs jommangandr ( Aries wins .
People make no sense, if it's in game then it's the Norse Gods. Kratos was stronger but holding back? No and if it's written down that's bad story telling ti boot. The first game is about him defending his son who was threatened with death multiple times....he was not holding back most the time. Holding back his anger maybe, and even then do people nit know how Spartan Rage works....it's rage when u use ur anger ur not holding back im sorry...it's not how it works. If we're talking in real mythology it's easily the Greeks mainly cause there's so much text and content about them when the Norse mythology isn't even close. Also the Norse were way more like a Spartans as they trained and lived to fight and die...that was sorta there thing...I mean replay the Baldur fight and actually pay attention to detail. If kratos let's him heal back up one more time kratos probably loses.
The most amount of nonsensical nothing i have ever read. Everything you wrote is headcanon that no one believes
-Nightwing and Red Hood vs Daredevil and Punisher.
-CW Deathstroke vs Batman (Pattison).
Why ask this question when Kratos clearly say that all the Greek gods he kills before is way more powerful.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq dude the whole Norse mythology is weak like shit compare to Greek mythology. Zeus and his team would wipe out the entire Norse mythology. That's why Odin and Thor always jealous of Zeus.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq and you sound like a dumb fool immature little kid with no knowledge at all. I can clearly see you a fanboy of Norse mythology cause you love sucking Thor balls from marvel.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq According to the codex Kratos says thay Thors' punches are as hard as any he has felt. Meaning he's on the top greek gods level. And in Ragnarok Kratos uses less than 30% of his power because he tried less than in 2018. Cory said that Kratos used less than 30% of his power in 2018 and in Ragnarok he canonically doesn't even use spartan rage against the norse gods. It proves that Kratos is definitely more powerful than he was in gow 3, they just have to nerf him
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Yea agreed I think the greek pantheon wins overall but the norse is not that far behind. But if the greek pantheon was still alive they would've merced the norse pantheon. Because greek gods get stronger with age.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq I think it's only greek, like maybe other gods can improve in some areas but greeks aren't held back by their body since age doesn't really affect them. That's how I usually see it, and if the norse gods are at this level rn the greeks would've been way stronger by now. Anyways that isn't the point, the point is that now Kratos has changed now.
Norse is more powerful it’s confirmed gow 4 Kratos holding back is stronger then all his previous versions meaning gow 4 Kratos would stomp his younger self who killed the other gods and the Norse gods are boxing him up and making him try via back scaling gow 3 Kratos
Exactly. Also Norse has a bigger cosmology as well.
W,a lot of people need to wake tf up and realize it's a fact that the Norse Pantheon is stronger lol.
Do people ignore the fact that Kratos got stronger in Gow 4? And even stronger in Ragnarok? Due to him getting stronger with age?
And the fact that a holding back Thor one shotted a much stronger Kratos...
@@SSJBlueVegito nah the cosmo is similar both pantheons are outerversal
@@Goat10Solos yes and also he gets amped with ear the Kratos tards forget that ragnorok is literally the biggest war in existence Kratos was heavily amped
What’s funny about this is that kratos is already nerfed due to game play reason if it wasn’t then all the Norse god will be dead within a day or 2 and if he wasn’t holding back then it would only be a couple of hours
People failed to understand Zeus did had kratos beat n he was about to give up when Zeus astral form picked him up n drained all his magic and destroyed most of his weapons kratos was in fear until pandora helped him find hope within him self
I agree that the Greek gods are stronger but they killed a much weaker Kratos(at least physically)and two of the times were just cheap shots(Kratos lost his powers and ares cheap shot killed him with the spear) also he’s not”slower”his physical stats are much better(gods don’t naturally get weaker or get”old”)and some of the Greek gods he fought he didn’t even use weapons he physically overpowered them like posideon (I know he had the blades but it doesn’t seem like he needed them)who’s the second strongest Greek god I seen your previous videos you really need to research better
Young Kratos is as strong as old Kratos physically, dafuq you talking about? Hell, young Kratos would again be stronger since for over 10 years after fleeing greece, Kratos lived as passive as possible, as little conflict as possible and just resting most of the time
@@dabruh actually Greek gods get stronger as they age the reason kratos in norse seems weak is because he holds back
@@dabruhold kratos when not holding back is stronger physically than young kratos but he's always holding back young kratos is stronger magically though
@@evil63 „greek gods get stronger the older they get“ a statement everyone loves to throw around without any actual proof of backing that up. We literally never saw Old Kratos do something Young Kratos couldn’t and he was literally crawling away with his fight with Baldur who isn’t stronger than Hercules for instance
@@dabruh then why did cory say old kratos could beat young kratos
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