Nikon Z6III vs Sony A7IV: Not even in the same league
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I am working with a USA based post production company for last 3 yrs now. USA has moved mostly to Sony, mostly s3 fx3 etc.I am a colourist, and I know for a fact how hard it's to grade Sony and get a proper skin tone. Forget about a7m4 or a7r series. They are pathetic, and colors are so messed up. Whenever I see nikon, I feel happy. Nikon colors are just perfect. Just get a z6 and shoot in flat, in post just boost contrast and saturation, and it's good to go. Now try that with Sony a7m4. It's just the AF system that Sony does better. But now with ZF and up models, Nikon is back with a bang!! Just got the ZF, loving it so much over my a7m3.
Valuable insights
Precisely why i switched from sony to nikon this year after 4 years…Sonys function very well, but the colours are always tough work…nikon is a joy to creatively work with, in photo its even more so i feel… and…INTERNAL 6K RAW ARE U KIDDING ME… :)…
@@EzMeck Thanks for your insight, this is very valuable information!
Just because you have nikon sony doesnt become bad. No one competes with sony while taking pictures. Videos? How many people buy camera for videos other than creators? If you are a creator you dont have budget for a1, a93 etc , then the content quality is pathetic
@@abhisekmohanty4959 i dont think anyone here claimed the Sony was bad? I built my Filmmaking career either the a7s3, i LOVED that camera. Sonys Efficiency and Function are amazing. Nikon cant compete with Sonys IBIS or AF-Performance when it gets hectic…BUT: the overall IMAGE that Nikon internal RAW can produce is better. It has a higher ceiling because its RAW and Nikons colour science is easier to work with.
UA-cam is FULL of People claiming Nikon cant compete, and here were simply stating that Sony might be overrated sometimes, because their colours require much, much more work, even tho their cameras are indeed excellent.
Sold my a7iv to get the z6iii. Ended up with the S5iix instead. Its still the best value in full frame but waiting for z6iii discount. Great vid!
Good choice!
dont get it. when you sell a camera you will lose 200$ which is the exact amount they will discount that nikon for. how is that math going to work out?
u are wasting time and money in changing brands. What an hobby
Looking back at this video and using the Z6 iii more, S5iiX… nah.
@@FramesTM you guys spend time in buying gear....Let me see the video s u do please
I tried moving from my D7200 and D800 to a Sony A7iv. Shot the same subjects side by side. I use my s23Ultra for any video I need and its fine ...especially if processed with DaVinci (I don't even do that but a neighbor does). Anyway, the photos are better with the Sony from a focus and noise at high ISO standpoint, but Lightroom Classic has come so far that for the few photos that are still dark at 6400 or up, and noisy I can send to Topaz Photo Ai and get them back in LrC looking as good as the Sony. Even LrC's latest noise reduction (even for jpegs), is ridiculously good.
The other problem is I have lots of lenses including old screw drive glass, flash units, both studio and speedlight, etc, and nothing is compatible with either the Sonys or Z Nikons and the investment to replace everything would qualify me for asylum admission. For relatively peanuts I can have the latest software to polish any images that I wish were shot with newer equipment.
Camera makers are like clothing manufacturers ...new stuff every season.
With Nikon all the way for color accuracy and it never fails!
I can honestly say, as someone who shoots with Nikon and loves the ergonomics of Nikon's DSLR-sized bodies, that Sony cameras are simply non-starters for me due solely to their ergonomics. If Sony's ergonomics were on par with Nikon or Canon, I would have switched to Sony a long time ago.
Your review and overview of these two cameras are very fair and unbiased, probably the best perspective and review I've seen on UA-cam, which is why I subscribed to your channel.
I was waiting for the Nikon Z6III, but I decided to buy the Z8 instead because I wanted something with more megapixels and better dynamic range. I'm glad Nikon is finally catching up in terms of autofocus and video features. I was seriously considering selling all my Nikon lenses and camera bodies and switching to Sony, but I just couldn't get past Sony's ergonomics.
I purchased the Z8 about a week ago, so I'll finally sell my Nikon DSLR bodies-with the exception of my D3X-and purchase the Nikon Z6III to complement the Z8. In my eyes, this is the perfect combination for how and what I want to shoot.
Thanks again for taking the time to post these videos; I sincerely appreciate it! 🤙
Welcome to the channel!
Im curious about F mount lenses on this Z6III camera? Do you have some experience on this? I have 4 lenses F mount. And i think Z mount lenses for nikon are too expensive.
The biggest problem with Z6 III is Z8 🤣 Its just too close in price. I think Nikon Z6 III should have been around 2,500€. That would be a good price, on sale maybe 2000€.
3000 is waaay to much.
Yes.. Or it should've had a 30MP sensor.🥹
In Europe the Z6 III is currently in a strange space. It's 3000€ while you can get the far superior Z8 for way below 4000€. If one is in the market why not getting the Z8 then.
True. If I want the Z6III, I would just wait for the big discount that Nikon offers sometimes.
Strange indeed
@@felm.974 likely to see a discount in christmas? :D
@@thefocalcode Yes, they did it for the Z8 (Iwish I had waited lol) so they might do it for this camera, if not by Christmas, then by the spring.
Thanks for the comparison! Been researching what to get of the two! If it's okay, do you have NEF samples for the z6iii? especially portraits? Looking forward to hear from you! Thank you!
Here in europe:
The sony a7 iv + tamron 35-150 sells for 3.300
The Nikon Z6 iii + tamron 35-150 is ~4.300
The Z6iii is certainly formidable for its price range. However im curious if the lack of a sensor screen will lead to more sensor dust, particularly of changing lens outdoors for wildlife photography
Well, changing lenses during wildlife is a rare thing. And it depends on practice how quickly you can do it. We’ve been changing lenses like that forever
How does the Nikon Z6iii compare to the Nikon ZF in terms of IQ and AF?
The Z6iii has fantastic AF. I feel same as the Z8. Could be even slightly better. In image quality the Zf is beautiful. The RAW files are better than Z8’s. But you can’t spot much difference in 99.99% scene in terms of image quality in most situations between the z6iii and Zf
Would you recommend Z6III for wildlife photography >
If you are on a budget, then probably yes, if not, you would probably benefit from the resolution of the Z8 🙂
Oh yes
@@JosefFoti Thinking of moving from Canon to Nikon as Nikon has got the best wildlife lenses lineup currently. I wanted to invest more in glass , so i was thinking of getting mid-range body with a good glass to start off.
@ShoebSaiyad go with the z6iii. Lenses are always more important
@@FramesTM how above dynamic range ? I heard its not that great ? What would you say ?
Hello, I have been watching your videos. Love them... the content as well as the colours you output.
I use Fuji X T4 for birds etc... So always Manual modes and Manual AF / back button focus
I really have no idea what it will be like to use AF... And time and again thing of switching to Sony and now, Nikon
And I still wonder if I will later miss the fun it takes making pictures using manual mode
Since you are used to so many camera systems, what are your thoughts ?
Thanks :)
My simple answer to that is, you can use manual mode in any camera. But the joy of being able to track and subject when it’s doing the cutest thing ever out in nature… nothing can put a value on that
Is it a good decision to sell d850 for z6 3 ? Will be using it for both photo and video ...need some suggestions
100%. The Z6iii is many leagues ahead. Megapixel is the only advantage on the D850. If you don’t need to crop more than 50% of the times then sell it and get the Z
Buy the Z8 to replace the D850, otherwise you may regret!
Resolution of D850 (45MP) compared to Z 6iii (24.5mp) were not as dramatically different as it seems, if both had an OLPF. But the Z 6iii has one and the D850 has not. If both were the same then doubling resolution (think in PPI) means doubling a sensor of X*Y=MP becomes 2X*2Y=4MP. However the OLPF - introduced to help software in deBayerisation of the raw image - takes a lot of sharpness away that is not a problem at 24MP but 36MP and higher gets in the way.
Compare in DxOMark Nikon's D800 (with OLPF) to the D800E (Eliminated OLPF) by having the sharpest F-mount lens on both. You'll be shocked to see the difference. Next compare a D750 or so to the D800 and you'll see that the impact of more MP on sharpness is less. Same applies between D800E and D850.
The difference between a full frame 24MP with OLPF though and a 45MP without OLPF is huge.
If you only shoot video that doesn't need the extra MP the Z 6iii is fine. If you frequently print very large where people can walk up to your prints, buy the Z 8.
I migrated from a 24MP D camera to the Z 7 when firmware was at 2.0 to get rid of the OLPF that had caused me some color cast in stronger backlit scenes, and to get rid of 45 years of chromatic aberration with pro F mount lenses. Also tint differences are gone between "S" class Z lenses.
Buy a Z 8 with FTZ as migration strategy and replace lenses one by one.
@@jpdj2715 Great insight and perspective, this greatly helps me, thank you!!
Do not sell d850
Excellent review, just subscribed :) I was spending the last two weeks trying to choose between these two choices after selling off all my Fuji gear. I ended up going with the A7IV. If the Sigma 14-24 f2.8 and the Sigma 24-70 f2.8 Gen II were available natively on Z-Mount, I would 100% have gone with the Z6iii. The Nikon 14-24 and 24-70 f2.8 look like great lenses, they're just both a lot more than I want to spend as a hobbyist.
I hope that Sony greatly improves the rolling shutter and increases the 14 bit fps to at least 15 fps whenever they release the a7V. I also hope Sony makes something that can complete with the Z8 at around the ~$3000-3500 price point.
Nikon is really killing it lately and I really love to see that!!
What you have gone for is an excellent set up though!
Get the E to Z adapter!
makes Sony E lenses focus and work on Nikon.
Nice comparison. Can you suggest if I am getting z8 used body at the price of new z6iii so which one to choose for all type of photography.
I mean plz go for the Z8 if weight is no concern. And if you’re okay with tilt screen. It will get better updates even I think.
@@FramesTM thank you
I have another doubt if you can clear I have d750 but I used Z7ii for some time and found raw photos are so noisy in normal lighting or with on camera flash so I have denoising them. JPEG pics are good out of camera as I am not professional don
don’t want to give much time for editing. Z8 maybe same noise issue will be there. Z6iii I guess will be noise free in raw.
@sibasishmohanty7871 See generally higher mp pictures are noisy. But the main issues of how Lightroom interprets Nikon Z files. Just always bring down clarity and structure to -10 each. Check if any sharpening is added by default. If so then bring that down to 0. Also ensure that contrast is set to 0. Then save that as a preset. That will make the files look smooth as butter. Each time, just apply the preset and then start editing the rest.
This is strange. My friend, who has a Zf and the Z8, was impressed by the AF on my A6700. We found the a6700 AF to be leagues better than the ZF at least. I don't have the A7 iv tbh. Maybe, it is not Sony's latest and greatest as the Z6 iii is Nikon's.
I always feel Sony autofocus is better when I am not testing it. Our perceptions played games with us. The reality is often different. The Z8 has been shown to do better af in birding than A1. So!
A6700 has AI autofocus that A7r5 and A93 have. A7iv doesn’t.
I agree. I have both the Z8 and A7iv. It's because the Samyang lens is far inferior to native Sony lenses.
@@TyLaiMD what
@@livejames9374 He is using the samyang lens on the A7iv, which is a 3rd party lens and not as accurate as a sony lens would be.
I'm currently using the canon r6 mk2 and I'm pretty happy with the camera besides the lack of cropping capability.
I consider upgrading to the r5 mk2 but honestly I would love to change brands since Canon still blocks all 3rd party ff lenses.
I just don't know if I should get the r5mk2 and deal with the fact that I have to buy overpriced L lenses or if I should go for the z8 or wait for the next Sony generation 😩
Funny, my video on it is coming in a few hours
Excellent review! Very comprehensive! Thank you for the effort! I would expect A7 IV to have better AF than Z6 III.
I’m on the brink of getting the Z8. As many others pointed out here, Sony’s A7IV is a great contender. What’s your opinion on it?
Are you asking me how the Z6iii compares with the Z8?
you said.. A7s4 ??
which camera you are comparing nikon with??
What the title says friend. That camera. There is no A7SIV yet
@@FramesTM he's talking about 0:08 honest mistake
2:43
@@FramesTMlol you kept saying A7S4 then can’t admit that you made a mistake.
@fjaajf I admit I said. It’s also written A7IV. It’s also known that there’s no A7SIV yet. Therefore unless you’re being strange, you can’t miss the intended communication.
1:36 don't forgot, Sony bakes in a LOT of noise reduction. Hence the "star eater" issue with Sony's. NLOG is not a good log, try VLOG or S-LOG. For the same price you get more features with the Nikon. The Z6 III captures 12.5 stops of dynamic range, but you have to know how to use it. The examples above doesn't look like you know
You get the dynamic range you get no matter how you use it
When did Sony launched A7sIV 🤔
Haha that’s a slip of the tongue man. I am also reviewing the A7S3. So that was on my mind
Hmm I really wish Nikon would allow video clips to be recorded to both memory slot.
Agree
What do you mean a7Siv brother?
Actually, Panasonic has the reputation for the best video stabilization.
True
As a A74 and Zf user, the Nikon files are absolutely awesome. Much more true to life and love the low light performance. I still do love my Sony and given the lenses I own, I stick to Sony for pro work.
What lenses do you own
@@FramesTM Tamron 27-75 2.8, Sony 50 1.2, 85 1.8, 11 1.8, Samyang 35 1.8, 18 2.8
For Nikon only the 40 F2
@@FramesTM btw, 24-70 F2 coming to Sony so don’t give away that Sony body ;)
@zakiradi450 Ya well won’t but that kind of lens. It’s for confused people.
@@FramesTM not at all dude. It will be a dream lens for traditional wedding photographers. No need to switch between cameras for portraits and function shots. Also if they manage to keep it around the weight of 2.8 lens then perfect for travel.
Hi Frames! Nice comparison - very balanced and fair!
-PD
Great comparation between the 2 cameras. Must say, despite your Nikon bias, you compare both camera and provide the pro and cons.
Nikon is on a strong ground. They don’t need my bias. Anyone bashing Nikon aren’t taken seriously anymore. So the role of a ‘Nikon defender’ is invalid now. I would definitely highlight things that Nikon do right because they do so much right. But the tone, if you notice has changed and will continue to do so
Sold my Fuji gear and narrowed down to z6iii & a7iv… fps, partial stacked sensor, & pre capture are great… but 33mp & unlimited (affordable) lens options are leaning me back to Sony. Idk why Nikon so slow & limiting with latest 3rd party lenses…
Sony is great. The A7IV is a super super camera
Then get the sony to nikon adapter. Yes, they exist.
@@seemyworld1 i thought of that but do I really what to have an adapter on all the time, compromising the weather sealing & mount integrity…
Great video !
And now it is also time to compare the XH2s and Z6 III (similar in price)
With the XF 150-600mm and Z 180-600mm
Will try to do that
Can anyone pls suggest a good full frame camera for still photography . Zf vs a7cii or else...
Z6 iii
For the comparison, discussed at 5:15,
4K :: 6K
24mp :: 54mp
it is a [1.5 x 1.5 = 2.25] factor.
This is why wanting 33mp is chasing numbers without significant benefit.
The video files have more compression than still images, so the data flow out of the processor may limit the stills fps below 40. And the incentive to keep it at 20 fps is simple: the Z9/Z8.
The dynamic range difference is barely noticeable. The simple solution: avoid pushing the file to its limit. We only do that to stroke our egos. Nobody else cares. In the end, what makes a video harder to watch is distracting slide transitions. If the photographer doesn't know how to "manage the scene, use lighting," perhaps they should stick with their iPhone?
Nikon's goal with the Z6III is to be 90% for 80% of users.
Sony's goal with the A7IV seems to be 70% for 70% of users. This camera is also more than 2.5 years older.
Thanks for your comment
@@FramesTM You you actually check your math and get it right. Maybe ask a friend who passed the JEE?
@UnconventionalReasoning agree with the facts. Disagree with the rest thanks
Thank you for the test…the noise reduction on sony camera makes us believe they have better dynamic range…
i will buy z6iii only if their z lens are already complete. where is 24mm f1.4?
Why do you want 1.4? 1.8 S prime lens from Nikon are as great as L lens from canon or 1.4 from sony…and 1.4 vs 1.8 are very similar in term of bokeh
Nikon z6 iii vs Nikon ZF please. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Hey ya that’s a good idea
Very good analysis ... I like the way you review without being a fan boy to any brand ... 🎉🎉🎉
Thank you Bijan!
To be fair, you are comparing a just released camera to one that is approaching 3 years since it's first Release. The Sony a7iv is at least 2.5 Years older TECH.
And Nikon Just caught up to Sony’s 2018 release Sony a7iii in autofocus 😂. Nikon fanboys hate Facts so sad. 😅
Concerning dynamic range in video, the a7iv is the best of sony mirrorless camera, better than the a7siii, the new a7rv and the new a9iii…so this is not a « problem » to compare it with the z6iii
Concerning photo’s dynamic range, same…I don’t think that the a7v will have more DR than a7iv
You will never see internal raw on the a7v…so the z6iii will have the advantage for that
In video, I don’t think that the a7v will offer something revolutionary, compared to the a7iv, perhaps 4k60 without crop but no more
AF yes maybe we will need to wait the new a7v…but I don’t think that the difference will be significant
@@peterra2532 you don’t “think” you are going off your feelings. Not Facts. But it’s okay you can be a Nikon shooter it’s okay no problem. Just know Canon Sony and Panasonic have better autofocus dynamic range and value over Nikon cameras. But you can choose which ever just know those are far superior leading the camera industry atm.
@@alphaandomega2709 Currently I own a z8 and a lumix s5iix...in the past I have worked with the a7iv, a7siii, fuji xh2s and the r6mkii. In photos, the z6iii actually has less good DR than Sony, Lumix and Canon.
In video it's different, the canon is limited with the c-log 3, the n-log is better, then above you have the s-log 3 and especially the v-log (the best)…but thanks to the n -raw Nikon takes the advantage, the quality of your images will be better than the competition which only offers 10bits.
For AF, the z8 is similar to Sony and Canon, the lumix s5iix and especially the xh2s seem inferior to me.
@alphaandomega2709: I think Nikon creators and way more skilled than the Sony canon Lumix creators like you. They never had to change and they make money despite their inferior gear.
Sony a7iv has (729) autofocus points 94% coverage of sensor area while nikon z6iii has 75% coverage for sensor area.
Sony has more lenses available than nikon.
Algorithm of sony at 10 bit 14 stops is better than nikon 12 bit raw then why we need raw to occupy more space on memory cards.
Dynamic range of sony is better than nikon.
Singh, the dr of Sony is not better. It has noise reduction and colour shift. The datarate of 4K 24 raw normal quality is equal to Sony XAVC si. It’s all there in he video. But I’m not your dad. Spend the money where you want to. Z6III has 96% of sensor coverage. And Ji nahi, Sony does not have 729 af points. Nikon doesn’t have 300 af points. Those are only SELECTABLE points for autofocus single. In mirrorless cameras af happens on sensor on every pixel with thousands of micro lenses. It’s not as simple as you think. Buy what you are biased for. That’s it.
Where do u get those Nikon stats, ur ass 😂. There is no way u compared the colors of the sony to a nikon and saying the nikom has 75% coverage when even the original z6 had 95%. Also the Nikon lenses are better than Sonys iver a mile so it doesnt matter than sony has more
Nikon says it’s 95% coverage. You’re comparing video with noise reduction to raw which has no noise reduction. What a nonsensical post.
Ur a goof just because tboth camera have close to the same auto focus coverage doesnt mean sony more accurate or faster ..its been proven that the z63 is more accurate...have u even ever used raw in post ..u should know having the ability to change exposure in video like u do in stills is leagues better then some baked in compressed 10 bit log on.the sony 😂😂
dang after 5 days straight of research i was about to switch to sony and then you said 1.5x crop at 4k 60 ........... ugh........
Haha get the Nikon or the Lumix
Yeah, it’s the end of the world🙄
@@peterenevoldsen7199 why r u gay?
@@peterenevoldsen7199 no one said it was creep
Sony a7s IV?? My guy already got 1 before release 😟
😆
I lost count how many times you said A7S 4....
😂🤦♂️
Nikon releases four new luts for Nlog created by RED.
Beginning
@@FramesTM couple of big UA-cam influencers have made videos about this. I personally have not been to the Nikon site yet too confirm.
New camera apparently better than older camera!!! THIS IS BREAKING NEWS!!!! Lol this comment section is hilarious but hey Sony got your video 17k views so shout out to them ya know?
New camera is not always better than old camera.
At the time A7iv and Z6iii were both $2500. It's fair to compare two equal priced cameras, if Sony thought the camera was outdated they would have discounted it like they are now
A7S4? does not exist.
Agreed
Ur Video is Informative but Lessen the Blurness next time, its highly irritating
Ok
I think that 6k or raw for semi-pro video s is just not necessary. and u will need to upgrade pc.
or use macbook, its run well to handle prores code..
even with just intel version
@@okiwidianto8582 all computers, laptop will suffer.....just with denoise or some text or effect it will slow down the process.
and by the way. 6k? to watch most video s on the mobile screen?
is this not nonsense? years of difference, completely different sensor, 1000USD price differnce
hiiilarious
I am sorry it caused your hurt.
@@FramesTM hahaha you're right
A7iv and Z6iii were both $2500 in the USA when this video was released
Sony cant shoot 4k60 cus the heat is insane. Absolute rubbish..
for the lenses sony still better than nikon i love nikon image quality but they dont have good lens selections dont have any sigma full frame lenses
Every Nikon lens is better than every Sony lens. In third party, except Sigma all other brands are available
Yeah and the winner is my D850😅
Hahaha
Nikon definitely continues to lag the competition. The Z lens catalog is sparse. Big heavy honking expensive lenses. Where are the f1.4 primes...???
Where are the f1.2 primes on Sony? Where are the superlight super telephotos on Sony?
Where are the built in teleconverter lenses on Sony?
After 10+ years.
The biggest problem of Sony isn’t the brand. It’s the blind unintelligent partisan culture its users have.
Best 24-70 2.8 ever made? Best 50 1.8? Best 24-120 as well as 180-600, Plena, super light telephoto lenses for the pros? You should turn on your monitor, or open your eyes.
@@thephenom6327 I’d be happy to give you my opinions on those but what are your selection criteria for “Best”..?
@@bradl2636 The 24-70 2.8 is absolutely sharp even at 2.8, even at 24, even in the corner of the frame, which is unthinkable for any other similar zoom lens.
The 50 1.8 is a Sony Zeiss 55 1.8 at max and that says it all
I highly recommend working with them at least once, if you don't have the opportunity, go to digital picture and just compare z 24-70 2.8 vs rf or e and you will realize that if you want to invest in native and expensive lenses, the canon and sony options are not even close.
Lmao were you comparing colors in log?
If you’re doing hybrid work, you’d not be using RAW videos, it would be a pain on the backend.
Why? Does the viewer not see colour when you shoot in log? You send them a note saying “say ignore the colours!”
Nikon can't even record to dual card slots for video. Still a potato. 🥔
Cf express card is more robust than 2 sd cards on the same camera…
The a7IV is no longer a contender in the price bracket. It is way behind the competition. The canon r1, nikon z6iii and lumix s5iix are way better for the price.
Haha
@@peterra2532 cf express overheats and fails like all cards. if you do pro video shooting and trust a single slot camera good luck.
@@peterra2532 LOL. Sure it is. NOT.
Sony is way better with video. Nikon is terribly noisy and grainy.
Sony is smaller lighter and just nicer. I also has way better lenses. Zeiss here i come.
Do what you like. Including sounding stupid.
Great
Thank you!!
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z6iii is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.
That's a long way 🤣
Seriously A7IV is 3 years old. It's old. Shouldn't be compared to the latest gen camera.
What should it be compared to from Sony?
@@FramesTM Currently not any model at the moment. Maybe wait for the new one.
@XDR2201 NO! At this point people deciding between the two should know what they provide. When Sony launches a new one, I will surely review that
I think it's fair comparison camera they don't change that fast we should think how much you will pay,
Why shouldn't they be compared if they cost the same?