WC3 - [UD] Happy vs Lyn [ORC] - LB Final - Ancient of Wonders Cup 2024 #3
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📆 Date: July 11th, 2024
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![[O] Grubby vs. Happy [U] - Debut of our new Observer Tool! - Bo7 Showmatch](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/srTnpCtvJr4/mqdefault.jpg)
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I personally scroll to the end abd and if happy wins i dont even watc, cause its got out of hand so boring it is
@@antongschnI do the same but only watch if Happy wins. Good thing he usualy does :)
@@antongschn as if happy isn't performing masterfully. you're delusional.
Neo with the frozen pizza and burgers. Eating like a true American.
Love to see the shifts and experimentation this matchup is going through.
Dude, how good were the wands of illusion in game one, oh my. Really cool decision
watched this live and the last game was LOR lore accurate !! 100 food/8 Aboms army is legendary And lyn trying to counter that army with mass Head hunters was cute . Like trying to stop a Sunami with a shovel !
what you want him to do? Going taurens would be suicide against the destros. Useless unit really.
@@dantonkull6491 The truth is i dont think Orc has a solution against that in the late game, just like you said Undead can build heavy armored units because Orc has no magic damage but Undead is all about magic damage whether if its the heroes or the units. So i guess Orc has to resort to an early game cheese or something otherwise it looks unplayable, against Happy that is.
@@yigitkabaday3179 against any UD. Late game UD > late game orc there is no question. Mass armoured destros destroys wyverns, mass aboms and destros destroys everything
In game 1 remo I prefer Lyn's army in the last fight.......80 food vs 80 food fight.
Happy ended that fight in high upkeep.....
At 1:25:00
"Banshees are beautiful"
"I wouldn't say no to a Banshee"
Me, watching this on a sunny Saturday and pondering on my life choices having all led to this moment... O_o
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Nice games! I like Taurens, but I feel like, there is nothing Lyn had against aboms and DR. His mass HH gives the DR so many skelettons, without more Tauren or Kodo, there is nothing against the aboms, and maybe bats + wyvern really would be the right call, because he had the tech and time, and Happy already had 3 heroes.
Switching into wyvern as soon as he sees Happy's abom switch, stopping building berserkers, might have been the better strategy. Then, bats, especially should gargs come.
He had time for witch doctor tech, getting a bunch of wyvern and bats would have been even faster.
So cool games, I hope to see more Tauren, and I hope, Lyn finds a solution against aboms. Maybe lategame wyvern after UD went DR or Lich 3rd. And I would like to see more BM from orc, at least on some maps, and maybe even orc buying some items for BM, especially early game, slippers, because it's a cool hero 👍
I'm not a huge expert, but why don't Orcs do a tec switch into like wyvern more often? He already went for 3,0 and only needed to built one additional beastiary, same goes for a switch from wyvern into Headhunters.
It's just 25% better when you cast together. Thanks for your work!
Normally you just have to not make a massive game loding mistake and its a free win against orc - but as we saw in the last game, und can easily walk into the worse position on the map for his army, throw away his first hero for no reason at the beginning of the fight, and still EASILY win, so yeah...as remo and neo said, yeah it doesnt really make sense.
The Orc Vs Undead matchup is painful and atrocious to watch at this point. Lyn loses even to Labyrynth, so what hope is there against Happy?
In game 3, Lyn has a larger food army, more upgrades and had an expasion running for a long time, while Happy's expansion had just gone up. Lyn's army just get vaporized. Head hunters are just good for dying. Taurens are trash as usual, and you can't even get spirit link because you just feed destroyers,
In game 4,. Happy does one of the clumsiest attacks on Lyn's expo, and even loses his DK and almost his entire army. So he just goes to tavern as usual and rebuys his DK. Who cares if hero re-bought at tavern has no mana since you have statues for free mana regen:?
Undead DPS and especially sustain is just flat out better than Orc's. Head hunters just melt, and even ghouls have better survivability because they are faster by design and due to Unholy Aura. Taurens are slow AF and just die to focused fire. Orc can't kill anything. The synergy between rods of necromancy and Dark Arrow is *abusive* .. Not only are ghouls still way too strong for sheer DPS(especially since they were re-buffed), that + Nova + DA makes head hunters 100% unviable. Not only can UD kills the Orc's army 2 x faster, but on top that Undead gets endless skeletons due to abusive synergy of Undead with Dark Ranger. In fact, UD doesn't even need DR, since Crypt Lord impale + Nova is just as good, and allows UD to expand even faster still.
what this series showed is that Orc can only win either with the weak mass wyvern build, which falls off completely after 8 minutes, or when the Orc plays a Blademaster map(there are only a few of those) AND is lucky enough to get insane items like claws +12, Boots of Quel'thalas, Orb of Darkness, etc. The reason why BM is barely viable anymore is because it received a massive nerf of -2 Agility + 2 second cooldown to wind walk back in 2018. It's crazy that Undead can even expand faster than both Orc and Elf, and almost as fast as Human. Crazy.
I am going on a long hiatus of watching pro WC3. The matchup of Orc and Elf Vs Undead is simply not fair for Orc and Elf. It really isn't fair. If you want to make the case that Labyrynth is a better player than Lyn, then go ahead but I'm not buying it. The only interesting matchup in pro WC3 is Human Vs Undead.
Laby vs Lyn’s third game speaks to how unfair UD vs ORC is. Lyn killed Laby’s Lich twice and Alchemy once, and clearly dominated the micro and won a 20 supply edge before the last fight, and then Laby could still beat Lyn in the last fight despite all the disadvantages. It is just crazy that a second tier UD could beat the best ORC against all the odds
@@lynzhu6934 Yup.
Orc needs buffs!!! Blade 2 agi, WW -1sec CD reduction. FS wolves level one dmg buffs 1 to 2 dmg plus 1 armor. Wind riders change armor type, reduce xp per kill. Kodo, change armor type, buff dmg a bit and allow kodo to benefit from upgrades, maybe reduce hp by 200-300. Troll regen buff either give them 1 extra hp regen and add 10% magic reduction to the troll regen. Implementing 1/3 of three suggestions will improve Orcs.
You forgot to mention happy also lost 4 ghouls early game and a statue for nothing. I thought it was absolutely comical how happy can blindly walk into the worst position on the map for that last fight and clumsily loses his first hero due to stupid careless play, meanwhile casually still EASILY wins the fight while down in upgrades and zero unit variety. matchup is pure comedy
@@twassell25 Doesn't matter, dude. The matchup is complete trash. Totally unwinnable. The only build that works a "little" gives you an 8 minute window to win before Lich with Nova 2 and Orb of Corruption kills a 60 food army of wyvern in literally less than 1 minute(literally).
I have been polite in the past but not anymore: the matchup is total BS. I found it digusting when Remo said that Orc is still OP against UD. This guy literally has zero clue about this game.
Just stop watching, dude, because Blizzard will never have a patch where they nerf UD without giving them 10 X more buffs than nerfs.Every patch where they nerf UD they give UD several buffs to make up for it. They even reversed the nerf to ghoul frenzy! Or they give Orc completely irrelevant buffs like taurens.
It's 100% trash. Just stop watching. This series right here was literally the last one that I watched or ever will. I simply don't care about watching this broken stupid game anymore. I had even forgotten about it until I saw your notification in my inbox.
Taurean got block by tree
Cast: why don't the Taurean just pick up the tree while he already picked up a tree😂😂😂
It's so cool to see new compositions, new tests etc... from the absolute top player ! Awesome ! :)
I loved the part where Neo called Happy washed :D
Unfortunately Orcs late game is so weak. They should buff shamans/walkers to be counter against destro. Maybe they should nerft destro attack range to be reached by HH, dunno.
Quick question these items that we view and spectacular mode can maybe be added to real game so I can see my heroes items loading times etc be very helpful one
How about 2 Tauren and 2 walkers for res and disenchant, 1 kodo, and rest berserkers
Why did the mass wyverns stop working out of sudden? Can someone explain?
It never really worked, just a new lame that had a surprise element.
Wand of illusion so clutch for game 1
Las malas decisiones de Lyn lo llevan a la derrota, ejemplo en la segunda partida ya la tenia en la bolsa al ganar la pelea, pero corre a su base, retira a su tropa y deja atrás a sus unidades que son cazadas por Happy dándole así más experiencia. Happy en cambio no deja de atacar, siempre va para delante y sólo se repliega un poco, pero no pierde tiempo y sigue tomando campamentos...
And happys bad decisions lead him to victory, for example in the last game: positioning his mass aboms in a huge choke, and losing his main hero for no reason other than terribly positioning. Unfortunately one race can make game losing mistakes and still win, and the other cant
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Very cool 1st game. Finally Tauren vs Ghouls and Skelettons. Later Happy had aboms instead of ghouls, so Tauren didn't work anymore. Aren't they, in theory, weak against magic dmg, like walker and shaman plus purge? They also could revive Tauren. But it's very hard vs destros...
Also ofc bats + Wyvern, but a whole switch to air is far more difficult than building abos instead of ghouls. Imo also a 2nd orb would have been nice, because SHs attack speed was ok with the boots. Or maybe 3 more Kodos, 6 less berserkers. Ofc it's easy to come up with random ideas, hard to do any of that, but I hope, we see Tauren more often, and this time successful.
Blade in game 2 now. I like Blade. Maybe he would work with Tauren, Kodo and Berserkers or Wyvern and bets, because he is better in dealing with abos and destroyers, and units in general, should he get orb + krit lvl 2 or even higher levels 🤷♂️
Edit: very nice game 2 with Blade, headhunters, some raiders for control and the spirit walker. Good items, and nice, how Lyn destroyed the statues and destros 🥰
What a god
Buff BM + 2 AGI, revert War Stomp nerf on Heroes. Matchup fixed. Blade was the best weapon against UD and it was nerfed too much. Orc relies on Heroes as their late game armies are just worse than other races.
Something big and red -- Lol
UD is always OP as hell. Happy ain't shit without the OP race.
Abomination too strong? 😂
@@joelchan9119 Coil Nova are OP. Statue is super OP. Destro is super super OP.
@@kimeric7673maybe you are just an envious boy
I like to see him remain the same ranking with any other race, then we can consider calling him "eMpEroR"
Last time there was this tournament where each player picks a race and they exchange the race game 2 and 4, happy still won though...
Lyn should have been gone for viverns at least one game.
Sad to see it this way
Need BM MB i don't know
GG
UD army feels more sleek, mobile and durable.
I suspect Orc has more raw DPS, but HH attacks are largely wasted on skeletons and frost armored heroes.
Far Seer doesn’t add much value tbh. It would be interesting to see TC first. DK would probably be level 2 by the time TC starts creeping but TC eventually out-scales DK at T3.
Don't need to watch game 4. Lyn lost mentally since game 1. Game 2 was a fluke of godlike items on blade and tc. Not playing with any confidence it seems with late game decision making
There is no confidence as orc against und.
@@twassell25 lyn destroyed happy in the previous series. He really made some questionable decisions that I usually don't see