I've already watched this from grubby's channel and thought that it's just a waste of time to watch it again here but oh boy I couldnt get more wrong, watching it on a spectator mode where you can see both sides really gives you the whole situation of who got the advantage and who's behind. Good job Neo, it's good to see some showmatches as a break from competitive warcraft 3 scene at times.
My wishes about tool: 1- split players to left and right. 2-cover original hero icon byt tool. 3-why tool move back and forth? 4-health/mana/level progres? 5-icons little too big, like - 10 - 20% would be ok
thanks for your feedback! 1. we're thinking about it 2. we usually dont cast replays, so that wont be an issue 3. a little bug, due to the API. 4. coming in one of the next versions 5. bad for mobile though :/
oh man, this is such a treat! This is the best thing I have seen in a while, and I watch a lot of esports. Brought me back to 2010. Brilliant. I would pay money to see another Bo7 with the old guys, Moon, Todd, Happy etc.
1:48:07 "There's ensnare. Undead now finally has a disable." LOL As an Undead player I find this is really funny. I never saw Neo's playing WCIII, but from his commentary, I guess he's main Undead player, is that right?
i saw Happy stream, he had bad bad lags, ping was high, but he didnt say a word about it....even Grubby said something about Happy's ping. and ... Happy had been streaming for 7 hours when they started, and it was 2am or so on his time. But have to say, Grubby should stop using BM, its not working against Happy.
1st game, happy lacked *SKELETONS* from level 4 onwards. He had the the skill, but no actual units to sacrifice ;( Was fighting the whole time, had no time to get the item.
Hey Neo, the new observer tool looks good but I think its taking a bit to much space on the screen. My suggestions for the tool: 1. The Hero icons should be a bit smaler, maybe even remove the Items slots 2. a Exp bar would be great 3. splitting the overlay in two pieces for each player and move the heros of the 2nd player to the right 4. you could also try putting it in the bottom left and right (left: where the B2W logo is right now / right: where the top donation are) 5. I dont know if its possible but a cooldown on hero abilities could be good But overall I think its a nice addition to the stream. Keep up the good work!
28:18 Grubby sending his wolves around to raid the acolytes while engaging, forcing happy to choose: give up your acolytes or send your destroyers to dispel. Sending them meant splitting them from his army and got them caught by the raiders + berserkers. Love watching this.
Hi Neo and Remo! The overlay/tool looks absolutely fantastic. I actually thought that I would prefer it split up by player, but I think it's better this way because it fits with the rest of the UI much nicer. Since The player/gold/lumber/etc overlay is on the left of the screen, having the hero info there as well makes it look a lot cleaner. My only suggestions: - Somehow show exp percentage, as they did in WGL, in addition to hero level. The one in WGL was a circular bar that filled up. - To the right of the hero's portrait, it displays which skill ranks they've taken. It would be nice to see those skills in their correct positions on the bar. For example, Frost Armor is Lich's second skill, so it should show up in the second slot, rather than the first one. It makes it much easier to tell at a glance, and it'd help out newer players as well. Other than that it looks perfect! Thanks so much for the hard work!
Wow Grubby... So smart.. Those timing attacks.. First map he just outsmarted happy on every stage. This what is called strategic mind... Oh boy micro is awesome too. Two games he lost he could really won. Same mistake... Anyway i'm impressed by Grubby's shape and game feel. I wish we could see him more
1. Hero spell icons under hero icons, 20 - 30 % larger 2. Inventory to the right of hero icons 3.Hero levels are not readable , maybe a black stroke around numbers or a 50% transparent black box behind level number 4. Align heros horizontally under each players gold/wood/supply bars
i've seen every single unit combo and creep / creep steal strat, hero strat, so much stuff fro, Grubby... Happy plays the same thing from start to finish...
Trueshot aura does not affect attack_Flying units (as a cause of Orb Attack Modifier). The aura only affects units with categorization "ranged". Orb or not, the hero is still "melee", therefore aura does not apply.
About the tool: These observer tools should be helpful for keeping track of things which constantly change and which the commentators can't continually update. As such, I think items and skill levels are redundant as commentators will comment on drops/skills and they remain fairly static through the game; what's missing is an exp/mana bar, which commentators can't really constantly keep track of on all the heroes. And as others have said, splitting the teams to left/right of the screen would be great.
I don't think it's too big. I like seeing the inventory as well. But I would like for heroes of players to be on opposite sides of the screen. Perhaps add a more obvious (even for colour-blind people, like myself) level experience bar - perhaps around the hero icon somehow.
NEO !! LISTEN , THE SOUND EFFECTS ARE PERFECTY. THE VOLUME, the loudness, your voice. Everything is perfect (i would add the music but i wont ask you to) STOP TURNING SFX OFF :( :'( , WE WANT TO HEAR and to be part of those quotes !!
I saw that also on grubby Chanel. Both players play RLY good. I saw how easilly happy won w3 tournament vs other guys. Not so much EZ vs grubby. It was close. If someone has chance to beat happy its grubby. Its bad for grubby he doesnt play professionally anymore.
.. You guys must understand that WC3 is a completly different game nowadays, much things have changed in the past 10 years, so you cant compare "grubby before 10 years and happy 10 years" against these dudes of today, the game has changed and also there mindstate.. Now lets just assume, grubby is also at 100% powerlevel, I think, his winning conditions would be, to outmacro and outlast the undead in terms of ressources, secret expansions and stuff, his playstyle is much more about decisionmaking, that is probably the only way against happy and his irrational micro. so in the end its probably all about the actual map: bigger maps have better chances for grubster and smaller maps, or easy to scout maps, have bigger chances for happy, and because there are much smaller maps in the current mappool, happy might have an edge here..
It's not only about Grubby and Happy, but this mathup is urrently slightly in favour of UD. Moreover in non-pro level it's easier to lose orc hero comparing to UD hero. When we add what you said we may come to conclusion that Happy had nice little advantage. Still nice win, Grubby played really well.
@@kukuruzzo I don't get why there are so many Happy funs there... I thought it's obvious that someone playing professionally is just better. Why don't you get it?
@@Deniiel в данном случае фигня это, а не спойлер. Вот если бы я рассказал, что они там вытворяли! Вот тогда да. Тут не результат важен, а процесс. Там просто ИМБА катки.
@@leonidteplytskyi6685 я бы потёр на твоём месте чтоб другим не портить, или хотя-бы предупредил что дальше спойлер, я вот смотреть уже не буду после спойлера .
Das commentary war super und auch das overlay gefällt mir sehr hötte aber gerne das die heroes den farben entsprechend getrennt wären, dass würde das Overlay sicher verbeessern.
Overall very good overlay! Would like to see heroes for the other player to be on the right side of the screen and not all heroes lined up only on the left side.
Happy played pretty bad in the games he lost tbh and Grubby played really well in these games. Especially G1 he dominated. And everything was on point. And yes, he still plays a lot vs top euro players on his stream so not too surprised that Grubby took some maps or makes games close.
That 2nd game showed a difference, the luck in that game was brutal and Happy still managed to take it. Multiple rings of protection vs xp tome, Blade boosting items etc, Grubby makes one slip overextending and gets punished so hard ToD has had some amazing wins vs Happy online in last few weeks with his grinding to Rank 1, meanwhile Grubby just streams the game for fun doing requests etc and can take games from Happy, Grubby's got insane talent to be able take games here
Raider grunts and kodo beast op combo kodo beast gives extra damage by playing the drums while raiders have ensnare grunts to tank everything in the Frontline with like 800 hp
Yes Thats just how typical UD is. It loses heroes after hero units after units. It can still win. Orc loses blade. Gg 2nd game too. Grubby played better and smarter. Just overextended with blade
I think тhat heroes should be separated. It's maybeee a bit smaller, but it is still okay. Also, it will probably take you some time to get used to it, because you still ask questions like "Does he have invul?", even tho you can clearly see on the overlay that he does have it. Use your own tool xD
![WC3INV - KR vs. EU: [O] Lyn vs. Happy [U]](/img/n.gif)
Great games. Great caster with great game knowledge. Even this many years later I can't get enough of Warcraft 3
Even with all its current flaws, the game is still incredible
I've already watched this from grubby's channel and thought that it's just a waste of time to watch it again here but oh boy I couldnt get more wrong, watching it on a spectator mode where you can see both sides really gives you the whole situation of who got the advantage and who's behind. Good job Neo, it's good to see some showmatches as a break from competitive warcraft 3 scene at times.
Neo is a great commentator
Totally agree!
Good point.
same
grubby interesting too. but if u watching stream Happy... its amazing
2:26:20 "Many see Happy as best in Europe, but nobody can prove." Well, Happy is World Champion now. He proved it himself.
he meant grubby XD
@@ZzolllozZ It's unfortunate that the game really calls for only 1 build that UD can be competitive with.
@@ZzolllozZ I'd like to see you play UD and win a best of 7 against Grubby you useless in-bred.
@@ZzolllozZ Whatever, why don't you do the same?
Henry Au-Yeung wowie did you drop your baby bottle??
Great tool, great commenting, commentator who is both passionate about the game and players. I like it.
My wishes about tool:
1- split players to left and right.
2-cover original hero icon byt tool.
3-why tool move back and forth?
4-health/mana/level progres?
5-icons little too big, like - 10 - 20% would be ok
thanks for your feedback!
1. we're thinking about it
2. we usually dont cast replays, so that wont be an issue
3. a little bug, due to the API.
4. coming in one of the next versions
5. bad for mobile though :/
@@Back2Warcraft
5 i only watch on moblie and u could make it a littke smaler that should be fine.
@@Back2Warcraft also is it possible to show only damaged units' healthbars ?
+1 to splitting left and right. Diggin' the new overlay!
big + for splitting to left and right, and a bit larger
The new overlay with the hero is SO useful. Really good visualization of the status of the heroes. thanks for improving, mates!
more to come ;)
oh man, this is such a treat! This is the best thing I have seen in a while, and I watch a lot of esports. Brought me back to 2010. Brilliant. I would pay money to see another Bo7 with the old guys, Moon, Todd, Happy etc.
Oh Boy pls keep doing this during reforged. :-)
do you know when reforged starting up ?
lol
Love the new overlay! Being able to see hero spell path is awesome!
I don't even play WC3, but this was so well presented I subbed and plan to binge on ur videos.
That's good. You feel proud?
fr. i downloaded the game even tho i last played it like 10 or 11 yrs ago as a kid lol
Hey! Just wanna let you what you’ve done for Warcraft 3 fans are incredible! Thank you
I could see this series hundreds of times (maybe I will in the course of my lifetime who knows)
Best match from fav player for each race
also like 120
Thank you for your dedication to WC3, Neo!
Nice casting!
Great match and commenting! Keep it up!
1:48:07 "There's ensnare. Undead now finally has a disable."
LOL
As an Undead player I find this is really funny.
I never saw Neo's playing WCIII, but from his commentary, I guess he's main Undead player, is that right?
It is !
i saw Happy stream, he had bad bad lags, ping was high, but he didnt say a word about it....even Grubby said something about Happy's ping. and ... Happy had been streaming for 7 hours when they started, and it was 2am or so on his time. But have to say, Grubby should stop using BM, its not working against Happy.
Happy is insane. i mean, just look what he can do with only heroes left. my God
Back in his prime....was happy a top player?Because Grubby and moon were top. Just wondering
@@Karim-ik5ij He has been a very good player with already impressive ladder stats but hasn't been top-top. He didn't achieve any big tournament wins.
@@dodododes lol grubby in his prime was way better than happy
Thats true. But Happy is better now. However both guys are very nice IRL. Wish both of them all the best.
1st game, happy lacked *SKELETONS* from level 4 onwards. He had the the skill, but no actual units to sacrifice ;(
Was fighting the whole time, had no time to get the item.
Jannes zu hören ist Balsam für die Seele #Janneskannes
Hey Neo,
the new observer tool looks good but I think its taking a bit to much space on the screen.
My suggestions for the tool:
1. The Hero icons should be a bit smaler, maybe even remove the Items slots
2. a Exp bar would be great
3. splitting the overlay in two pieces for each player and move the heros of the 2nd player to the right
4. you could also try putting it in the bottom left and right (left: where the B2W logo is right now / right: where the top donation are)
5. I dont know if its possible but a cooldown on hero abilities could be good
But overall I think its a nice addition to the stream.
Keep up the good work!
28:18 Grubby sending his wolves around to raid the acolytes while engaging, forcing happy to choose: give up your acolytes or send your destroyers to dispel. Sending them meant splitting them from his army and got them caught by the raiders + berserkers. Love watching this.
Jemand hier durch RBTV? Bist nen guter Typ Jannes, weitermachen!
Hi Neo and Remo!
The overlay/tool looks absolutely fantastic. I actually thought that I would prefer it split up by player, but I think it's better this way because it fits with the rest of the UI much nicer. Since The player/gold/lumber/etc overlay is on the left of the screen, having the hero info there as well makes it look a lot cleaner.
My only suggestions:
- Somehow show exp percentage, as they did in WGL, in addition to hero level. The one in WGL was a circular bar that filled up.
- To the right of the hero's portrait, it displays which skill ranks they've taken. It would be nice to see those skills in their correct positions on the bar. For example, Frost Armor is Lich's second skill, so it should show up in the second slot, rather than the first one. It makes it much easier to tell at a glance, and it'd help out newer players as well.
Other than that it looks perfect! Thanks so much for the hard work!
Happy, молодец! отличные игры!
Oh man so much pleasure to watch your videos ... it’s like going back in time and to euphoria :)
Wow Grubby... So smart.. Those timing attacks.. First map he just outsmarted happy on every stage. This what is called strategic mind... Oh boy micro is awesome too. Two games he lost he could really won. Same mistake... Anyway i'm impressed by Grubby's shape and game feel. I wish we could see him more
wish you would show upgrades more
Best announcer and best players! Gotta love it!
Absolute ownage by Happy ,he is very good
Grubby fanboys butt hurt , the fact is happy is King of micro
they are both awesome - seems like one mistake is all either of them needs.
1. Hero spell icons under hero icons, 20 - 30 % larger
2. Inventory to the right of hero icons
3.Hero levels are not readable , maybe a black stroke around numbers or a 50% transparent black box behind level number
4. Align heros horizontally under each players gold/wood/supply bars
hey well done guys , can you change the color of the levels ? white is not very clear sometimes , i would suggest Red or Yellow , keep it up !
And an EXP bar under it would look very nice!
i've seen every single unit combo and creep / creep steal strat, hero strat, so much stuff fro, Grubby... Happy plays the same thing from start to finish...
Meaby he did the same thing but who won? WHO
@@bestway6032 cause that's what matters :)
@@LittleRifflemanX that matter is who win. happy is a lot better than grubby for sure
@@bestway6032 i still wouldn't enjoy watching him streaming the same unit composition game and build over and over and over again...
@@LittleRifflemanX that true kinda boring
Thank you Neo for bringing us this fantastic series of matches. Amazing games for real, and this is in 2018 :) Thanks man!!
grubby did better than I thought but congrats to happy the best player in EU imo
You mean foggy being the best player in the west.
@@Kenshinhugo I think happy is better but too bad he doesn't compete in big tourneys
@@Kenshinhugo imo = in my opinion.
Pls add some some minutes to the videos so you cannot say the winner looking at the video length. A static picture will do really.
i like the overay, but maybe split the hero icons to left and right. its better to distinguish then :)
That's my third time rewatching it
Trueshot aura does not affect attack_Flying units (as a cause of Orb Attack Modifier). The aura only affects units with categorization "ranged". Orb or not, the hero is still "melee", therefore aura does not apply.
Love the new hero information tool! Great work guys!
'which nobody can really prove...' - he beats Foggy in competitions easily so it's pretty clear he's the best in Europe.
Undead vs Orc its always most intresting game
why?
i'd say ne-ud was my favorite.
About the tool:
These observer tools should be helpful for keeping track of things which constantly change and which the commentators can't continually update. As such, I think items and skill levels are redundant as commentators will comment on drops/skills and they remain fairly static through the game; what's missing is an exp/mana bar, which commentators can't really constantly keep track of on all the heroes.
And as others have said, splitting the teams to left/right of the screen would be great.
A new tool took too much spaces. Actually only the levels are important. Also you can separate heroes on two side of screen.
I don't think it's too big. I like seeing the inventory as well. But I would like for heroes of players to be on opposite sides of the screen.
Perhaps add a more obvious (even for colour-blind people, like myself) level experience bar - perhaps around the hero icon somehow.
Everything is great, but it's a pity you didn't fix the sound delay.
wot
still more than 31,000 views, so it was a necessary cast. Good job, neo :-)
Great match. Nice overlay. I prefer it when the creep spots remain colored personally though.
that's only cuz its a replay, ofc we'll keep the minimap as it is :)
Great casting
NEO !! LISTEN , THE SOUND EFFECTS ARE PERFECTY. THE VOLUME, the loudness, your voice. Everything is perfect (i would add the music but i wont ask you to)
STOP TURNING SFX OFF :( :'( , WE WANT TO HEAR and to be part of those quotes !!
Grubby really needed walkers vs frost armor and skellies
I saw that also on grubby Chanel. Both players play RLY good. I saw how easilly happy won w3 tournament vs other guys. Not so much EZ vs grubby. It was close. If someone has chance to beat happy its grubby. Its bad for grubby he doesnt play professionally anymore.
"grubby is better than i expected" yeah why should we expect anything at all from one of the top3 guys who ever played this game
.. You guys must understand that WC3 is a completly different game nowadays, much things have changed in the past 10 years, so you cant compare "grubby before 10 years and happy 10 years" against these dudes of today, the game has changed and also there mindstate..
Now lets just assume, grubby is also at 100% powerlevel, I think, his winning conditions would be, to outmacro and outlast the undead in terms of ressources, secret expansions and stuff, his playstyle is much more about decisionmaking, that is probably the only way against happy and his irrational micro. so in the end its probably all about the actual map: bigger maps have better chances for grubster and smaller maps, or easy to scout maps, have bigger chances for happy, and because there are much smaller maps in the current mappool, happy might have an edge here..
It's not only about Grubby and Happy, but this mathup is urrently slightly in favour of UD. Moreover in non-pro level it's easier to lose orc hero comparing to UD hero. When we add what you said we may come to conclusion that Happy had nice little advantage. Still nice win, Grubby played really well.
Wtf, happy lost on a small map and won on a bigger one
@@kukuruzzo I don't get why there are so many Happy funs there... I thought it's obvious that someone playing professionally is just better. Why don't you get it?
Money is all that matters if u ask me
just don't know why grubby not make magic units like white cows, doesn't he realize how he suffer from curses and skeletons?
I was thinking the same-Orc is so strong with the bloodlust.
was epic games. warcraft 3 still best game ever made and people know it. even im female i love this game @@
10/10 would watch again. Uploading seperated games would be nice & splitted Heros overlay would be better i think. Great job !!!
hehe we did that before and a lot of people asked us to upload entire series :/
OB tool is amazing! want to try it in replay watching
император вернулся)))
Спасисбо за СПОЙЛЕР
@@Deniiel в данном случае фигня это, а не спойлер. Вот если бы я рассказал, что они там вытворяли! Вот тогда да. Тут не результат важен, а процесс. Там просто ИМБА катки.
@@leonidteplytskyi6685 я бы потёр на твоём месте чтоб другим не портить, или хотя-бы предупредил что дальше спойлер, я вот смотреть уже не буду после спойлера
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@@Deniiel а зачем ты читаешь комменты до просмотра? И почему людям в комментах нельзя обсуждать результаты игры?
@@InsidiousRat ну это мой косяк, да, комменты лучше не читать, но это не значит что в них нужно спойлерить
man Grubby vs Happy in tournament finals would be epic
holy, that hero overlay
Im not the biggest fan of grubby but you can tell the bias of the commentator for happy lol
hey Neo ,pls mention the maps name before each game . and thanks for the awsome casting my friend .i mean both of ya
Das commentary war super und auch das overlay gefällt mir sehr hötte aber gerne das die heroes den farben entsprechend getrennt wären, dass würde das Overlay sicher verbeessern.
Sie werden umrandet mit der farbe, aber wenn man es nicht weiß ist es schwer zu erkennen, dann gehts aber besser
I'm confused, I'm not pro obviously but when happy dropped to 30 supply vs 70, why wont grubby just go and do an all out attack and end the game?
Beautiful game!!!
Overall very good overlay! Would like to see heroes for the other player to be on the right side of the screen and not all heroes lined up only on the left side.
Keine Ahnung ob du das list Jannes, aber wäre sehr cool, wenn du das nochmal in Deutsch castest:)
Why not some walkers to remove all skeletons and frost shield and link spirit life?
I feel like spirit walker's disenchant would have been huge, curse did sooo much dirty work
mrwildcaptain check out happy vs Fly where he did use walkers. Easy pickings for destroyers and still everything cursed.
Amazing overlay! maybe show cooldown of the skills or turn them blue if the hero doesnt have the mana. Like dota 2. but it looks incredible now man
What happens if u possess a kodo that's digesting ur own unit?
Unit gets out, hew however kills the unit inside.
O que o Happy fez com o grubby na última partida é simplesmente pularia!😂😂😂😂
Orc is my favorite race,also the strongest in my opinion.
Duration spoils.. please pad videos with blank
Hero focus don't work vs UD unless you can surround with properly timed stomp/hex vs dk. dk aura already > bm
ensnare > dk aura. Thats why aura lvl 1 always.
How is it possible Grubby took maps from Happy? Ping?
He is still playing WarCraft regularly, streaming. So he is still very good.
Check your oven, you must have left right half of your brain in there. Or even better, add potatoes and some salt.
It's just a show match so Happy is having fun. Have them play for $5K and see if Grubby can kill one of Happy's heroes.
Happy played pretty bad in the games he lost tbh and Grubby played really well in these games. Especially G1 he dominated. And everything was on point.
And yes, he still plays a lot vs top euro players on his stream so not too surprised that Grubby took some maps or makes games close.
That 2nd game showed a difference, the luck in that game was brutal and Happy still managed to take it. Multiple rings of protection vs xp tome, Blade boosting items etc, Grubby makes one slip overextending and gets punished so hard
ToD has had some amazing wins vs Happy online in last few weeks with his grinding to Rank 1, meanwhile Grubby just streams the game for fun doing requests etc and can take games from Happy, Grubby's got insane talent to be able take games here
We love Tool.
It's death pact not dark ritual
Хепи лють Кароль Андед, Уважуха
Is this reforged beta or just the old warcraft 3?
the old one
Ehm, what the heck is the caster background? I see the W3 TFT logo but the text below the big W ends in -AL. W3: The frozen Urinal? I am confused.
Warcraft3 Invitational :) a little summit we had earlier this year with grubby, madfrog, happy, lyn, remind, lawliet, foggy and others
@@Back2Warcraft haha, I see. Great casting as usual!
Diablo como me encantas ver a estas bestias son re pro pero me encanta mas grubby
third game is insane
Raider grunts and kodo beast op combo kodo beast gives extra damage by playing the drums while raiders have ensnare grunts to tank everything in the Frontline with like 800 hp
I love how the heroes sell items in an instant. 2:20:48
what's the name of the map?
Nice games and awesome new overlay.
...but did you really have to spam us with that many adds?
please tell blizzard that everything with a green bar for health on it doesn't help a spectator understand what is happening.
So whats the alternative?
Happy the beast!!! )))
I have the impression that Grubby didn't really recover from the 2nd map defeat. Had he won, the showdown would've taken another path
Yes Thats just how typical UD is. It loses heroes after hero units after units. It can still win. Orc loses blade. Gg 2nd game too. Grubby played better and smarter. Just overextended with blade
"Man, Grubby is certainly better than I expected him to play!"
?!?!?
which patch was this on?
Grubby is so creative!
Grubby vs Macaulay Culkin
Игра где Банши забирают кодоев вообще мощная !!
Oh god, finally Dmitriy you won at least normally i whole game against former very good player.
Ese grubby debe saber que 12mil de oro cuanto ejercito debe tener y cspaz bugear o saber los errores trucos
I think тhat heroes should be separated. It's maybeee a bit smaller, but it is still okay. Also, it will probably take you some time to get used to it, because you still ask questions like "Does he have invul?", even tho you can clearly see on the overlay that he does have it. Use your own tool xD
Undead imba. Just keep doing the same thing. Not even breaking a sweat. Great race for bo7.
u must be kidding
Grubby, why no spirit walker?? I was cheering for you man TT
icons of heroes with inventory better placed below: left and right