While I agree with your sentiment, it seems like we had the usual few who don't understand that there's a valid reason for that seat belt light coming on.
And that's what I don't like. If it wasn't clear to the pilots, why should it be clear to ATC? It seems to me, they pushed an emergency by reacting too quickly. What if the pilots didn't want this, at that moment. Their plane wasn't in immediate danger, and they needed some more information from the cabin. I think they should have asked Do you want to declare an emergency?
@@guyseeten2755 Please is there anything wrong with an aircraft declaring emergency? Does it impact the airline in anyway? Please help me to understand, thanks
@@guyseeten2755 The pilots reporting injuries is, technically, an emergency. ATC can use the declaration to do things that may normally be proscribed to get them in faster, and they can get emergency services prepared and moving, reducing response time. Good job by ATC not hesitating to do that.
My family and I were on Hawaiian flights that were each 30-40 minutes behind this one on almost the same route. All I knew at the time was the captain getting on the PA to tell us that a flight ahead of us had experienced severe turbulence and for everyone including the crew to sit down. Our flight didn't experience anything worse than a few minor bounces, but we saw later what had happened. I hope everyone involved has made a full recovery by now.
I was on a flight from LAX-HNL a few years back and we flew into the "Pineapple Express". We were able to get our first drinks and then the flight attendants were ordered to sit down immediately. I had a flight attendant sitting next to me for almost the entire flight. On approach when we got under 10K they were allowed to get up and get ready for landing. The turbulence was the worst I had ever encountered. People were still trying to get up and go to the bathroom . One older lady got up. The flight attendants were yelling at her to sit down and within a few seconds she was down on the floor in the aisle. She spend most of the flight on the floor. No one could help her. It was one crazy flight.
@@davecrupel2817 Not the volcano, it's not active right now. It's just weather, several big thunderstorms are lined up to hit the islands and give us some badly needed rain. This is our version of the storms in the mainland
The local news here put the injury count at 36, 11 of which were classed as serious. Photos from the cabin show broken ceiling panels and overhead bin doors where people hit them. My wife was super nervous as she was flying in from Vegas later in the day and had heard about what happened. Her flight went fine, but she said they were warned before takeoff about the possibility of turbulence and that this had happened, and people were still milling about in the cabin regardless.
When a pilot says 'severe' then it probably means hell on earth. I remember listening to my mate about turbulence, and he was describing a situation involving 'moderate' turbulence. Also involving drinks hitting windows and people upside down in a lavatory.
@@peepa47 severe would entail temporary total loss of control, large abrupt attitude/altitude/airspeed Extreme is violent airplane disruption and partial loss of control Moderate is change in altitude/attitude but still in control. From moderate onwards there is potential for load shift, opening of overhead bins and definite shifting or displacement of unsecured items.
@@BrentLobegeier Yeah, when the yoke (sidestick in this case) is at the stops one way but the plane is still rolling or pitching the opposite direction. That gets your attention.
Hopefully everyone makes a speedy recovery. I always keep my seat belt fastened when seated as I don’t want to take the chance of a head injury or broken limb if we suddenly hit severe turbulence. Obviously, the crew aren’t seated with their seatbelts fastened unless they have been warned by the flight crew ☹️
Don't presume that all purposely didn't have their seatbelt on, most people do. But one lady had just returned from the bathroom and had not had a chance to place seat belt on. Also clear air turbulence doesn't give notice.
Sometimes with turbulence this severe, even if you're belted in you can still get injuries because objects fly around the cabin. A flying laptop can easily cause a concussion.
As an infant we experienced this coming home from being stationed in Wiesbaden Germany. Coming across the ocean a storm was off the US coast from Labrador to the Bahamas. Too tall to go over and to low to duck under the plane had to go through the storm. Several FAs and passengers also were injured. Good luck to everyone involved.
Looks like this happened right before their TOD. ADS-B shows a -623 fpm rate and it dropped from 40,000 cruise to 39,450. I wonder if seat belt signs was on yet at this point and probably why this caught them off guard. Curious to know if anyone PAX interviewed yet have said anything. A lot of people use this time to put stuff away / use restroom. 500 foot drop like that will easily toss you up into the ceiling like a ragdoll.
Not sure how they do it, but we usually put seat belts on around 15min before ETA. So that's around 15,000-20,000 feet. Unless instructed by airfield brief to do it earlier or we expect short-cuts/bad weather etc. I'm curious what the weather was when this happened because its rare that the tropopause reach 40,000 feet. So was this just CAT, was it wake turbulence, was there a jet stream crossing/near a core, was it weather related? Would like to know the sigmet, significant wx chart, airmet, winds etc of the area.
@@Arcadiez If they were in a radar environment (the z) and not in san fransisco radio's airspace, there should have been a wake turbulence/merging target call. Of course with environmental factors this could have been outside of the required wake turbulence seperation minima, but still have affected the aircraft, it also could have been in an ocean area with no radar coverage so time based in-trail spacing vs nm in-trail spacing. Also I am very curious as to pertinant sigmets and airmets in effect at the time of the turbulence. I also saw a comment saying on ADS-B they had a 650 foot drop very violently however I couldn't verify this myself, would be interesting to see if it was 1 strong event of CAT or a storm of some sorts in the area. Lots of unknowns but would be cool to see what else we can find
I hope everyone recovers from this incident. This is why I always keep my belt fastened even if the light is off (it was ON when this aircraft hit the downdraft). The best pilots in the world can't always predict when the aircraft could be hit by a severe downdraft. The seatbelt is a minor inconvenience compared to hitting the cabin ceiling then slamming to the floor.
Best and speedy recovery to all and unfortunately, another great example of why experienced flyers ALWAYS have our seatbelt on when seated!! Great video and thank you as always!!!!!!
Well if companies wouldn't send commercial jets into tropical storms this wouldn't have happened. There's been a Turbulence SIGMET over Hawaii for a week...
Good advice. I remember a flight where we suddenly hit bad turbulence. I swear a few guys actually hit the ceiling. As a rule, I keep my seat belt on at all times. When I sleep, I put the seat belt over the blanket so the flight attendants can see I have it on and won't have to bother me.
VAS always quick when events happen. I love the professionalism and coolness of our guys. Yeah the practice it but like Mike says “everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth”
As these past few days of torrential rainfall and scattered thunderstorms, I was telling myself the other day, I am glad I’m not on a plane heading here for possible causes of turbulent weather in the skies. And then I heard of this a day ago. Wow. Hope all is recovered.
It always gives me so much confidence that the pilots were so calm and focused on the safety of their passengers, despite a scary and unexpected situation, and the aircraft handled it just fine. Still doesn’t make it any less scary for the passengers, and I’m glad they’re all expected to make a full recovery, but it’s comforting to know that both crew and aircraft are more than capable of handling such a scenario.
Could you make another video displaying weather radar and the other traffic? At around 20:00Z (about 15 minutes before the start of this video), HCF issued a weather advisory to HAL35 and HAL11; HAL11 requested to deviate right but HAL35 continued straight on. Would be interesting to see this exchange with the visualization.
i work in an airline at HNL and these past 2 days have been crazy in the airport .. it was super traffic and a lot of delays because of the weather .. x.x
One thing is when a pilot says 'severe turbulence' but this captain said 'very severe turbulence' plus at FL400, I can only imagine the drops...that was pure chaos, poor people... If you're scared of turbulence, keep this video in your memory, folks worry about the plane being damaged, but you'll go unconscious from G forces or seriously injured before the aircraft is damaged at all, they are over engineered.
I was on my flight to Honolulu last week and we encountered some turbulence the pilots advise everybody to take their seats and the seat belt light came on. This one lady was standing and the FA asked her to take a seat. She just stood there as if she never heard anything. I was thinking one of these days that old lady will be getting off the plane on a stretcher.
Though I wasn’t on this flight, I was in the air at the same time flying from Hawaii to LA and we must’ve hit the same patch. Wasn’t bad like this, but it definitely was rough… we levelled out well about 5minutes in but still, that scared some people. I’m not bad with turbulence especially with great airlines. It was thrilling! But I can definitely see why newbies were uncomfortable that flight.
Go ahead and loosen your belt, but never take it off. The drink cart is another issue in itself. ATC was quite correct in declaring the emergency, so that's a takeaway for flight and cabin crews; go ahead and declare one for turbulence injuries.
@@JohnSmith-zi9or I think the flight crew were finding out on the fly; he reported the incident 50 miles back, so that's roughly 5 or so minutes prior. The reports and requests got more serious as they approached.
Honestly, this along with the UA flight into Houston a day later is prime examples why they should change the standard from the Fasten Seat Belt standard where passenger is only required to keep the seat belt on when to sign is on, to a standard where passengers have to stay seated and buckled up at all times, except when it is necessary for them to move around the cabin such as bathroom visits or exercising.
Yes to the OP’s comment! Turbulence can occur unexpectedly as the pre-departure safety briefings clearly mention and, as we have seen many times, it can result in very serious or even fatal injuries. Buckle up for your own safety and be up and about only if you must do so to use the lavatories or quickly stretch your legs. Passenger safety is very much the passengers’ own responsibility.
@@orlovsskibet I am a former flight attendant. It is almost impossible to tell an adult to tell an adult not to use the bathroom. If they are in the lav when severe turbulence, they can't leave. Also, that blue water, that's a lesson unto itself.
Honestly, after seeing so many of these videos, I'm more afraid of turbulence than an engine out. Heck, I'm more afraid of turbulence than a Captain Sully situation!
When a pilot says "severe" you know it musta been obscenely crazy. They always want to downplay it so they don't have to do reports and mandatory inspection for "severe".
Something that severe can cause injuries even with belts on, I'm surmising. For those vulnerable at that moment some broken bones, neck injuries possibly. Hopefully no cranial injuries. Again just guessing and I'm not in medicine or aviation. So no way the crew could have elected a straight route through bad weather they could see, because of fuel? I think I understand this can happen suddenly, like ground level windshear. Something I don't want to experience even without injury. I also wouldn't want this to be on an outbound leg of a return ticket to Honolulu. Hopefully the plane was out of it as quickly as it was in it, and the Captain calmed the passengers. Wishing everyone makes a complete recovery.
I get the injuries to flight attendants, but how did people slam into the ceiling if they had their seatbelts on? Did all of these injuries happen because people ignored or missed the seatbelt sign?
I hope there was more we couldn't hear. Hopefully the number and severity wasn't a surprise. I can picture 2 paramedics with one ambulance waiting at the gate.
36 injured, 11 seriously. The arrivals hall seating area was basically used as a triage for those coming off the flight (who had to be helped off the plane).
Massive testimonial to the durability of the A330. Aren't transport category aircraft required to handle +4.4/-2.2 G with a 50% margin? With the number and severity of these injuries on a wide-body jet, I'd think they had to have been pushing their design load limits. It blows my mind that something that big and that heavy can handle it. Engineers!!!
Did I miss something or did the pilots never convey the number of injuries and severity. The radio traffic here makes it seem like they had one flight attendant injured rather than something more like a mass casualty event coming in.
Very interesting. So the controller declared an emergency on behalf of the pilot/flight. How common is this? Are there any stats and further information and insight into how often this happens? On many crash investigation and other tricky flight situations, we have all listened to many atc conversations with the pilot where it is clear the pilot is in trouble. The controller asks if the pilot wants to declare an emergency but the pilot declines as he is overwhelmed and not thinking straight. I always wondered why the controller did not declare the emergency as a precaution.
Pilots, Controllers, and Dispatch can all declare emergencies during a flight in which safety of flight has been compromised. 14 CFR 121.557 lays out the basis of who can declare, with 14 CFR 91.3 Laying the ground work for the PIC the “Final Authority” to respond as necessary. I’m sure there are provisions within the ATC handbooks that may go further. Not sure on statistics, but I may just try my hand at researching as that question has piqued my interest.
As a newly minted pilot I had a minor loss of engine power, probably carb ice. I called up SoCal Approach as a precaution in case I needed to declare and land at SNA. Engine cleared up and I proceeded to my destination, LGB. When I was handed off to tower, only then that I realized approach had declared for me when tower asked the three questions, how many souls aboard, how much fuel and if I was requesting the equipment. So, this happens more than you might think.
Recommending an event: earlier today a Cessna N738YT violated the Presidential TFR over Wilmington Delaware and was intercepted and escorted back to its origin airport by an F-15 (broadcasting identifier TOI1)
this comes up every one of these videos. It. Does. Not. Matter. Did they get the attention of ATC? Yes. Did they squawk 7700 and it lit up on the scope as EM? Yes. Did they get priority vectors and land safely? Yes. No need for yelling Mayday when declaring an emergency works perfectly fine. There was nothing wrong with the aircraft too.
this is why they tell you to keep your seat belts fastened while seated. The pilots are required to do so too. But people get away with it 99 times …then there’s that one.
Yep. I'll just drive. I'm retired and never in a hurry. But even back in the day I was teased about driving like a grandma. I've no tickets and only been in two accidents in my life that were caused by other drivers. One, I was rear ended by a guy on a cellphone, Two, I was T-Boned by a lady on snowy road at low speed. I'm 70 now, and still drive like I always have. Defensive. And sometimes that means accelerating as well as braking. 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Computer flight planning with no human flight following. Best cost index and route. Computer decides if there's going to be turbulence. Hope for the best.
The pilots are almost always monitoring other pilots' reports in the area (PIREPs) and requesting altitude/route changes from ATC as appropriate. Turbulence can strike at any time and can be very unpredictable.
This comes from being thrown around. A person's head will hit the overhead bins, the wall, etc. Their limbs will also flail and hit walls, bins, and seat frames.
And that's why my belt is on for the entire flight. Who wants a plane to slam down on their head, or throw them about like beads in a rattle? Hopes for a quick recovery to the flight attendants who don't always have that option.
@@strnglhld Then you will be smashed about in a largely stainless steel environment. Air travel is not without its perils for everyone, even if the plane is fully functioning. I personally would rather suffer severe abdominal cramps than crap on a plane, but when I get back from a pee, belting up again is the first thing I do.
This is the reason that “lap child” travel should not be allowed. Heavy turbulence over The Pacific is unpredictable and can happen in “clear air.” I was on a flight earlier this year and grabbed a flight attendant’s arm to stop her from hitting the ceiling. I fly over 100K per year and know first hand the danger that unexpected turbulence poses to flight crews and passengers. There is no safe way for a small child to travel other than buckled into a car seat. I always paid the extra money for my daughter to travel safe in her car seat on all flights I took her on when she was little. It’s the only safe way.
This is an example of complacency on the passengers. When you sit down put your seatbelt on. Always have the seat belt on when you can. I do aerobatics and I put my seat belt on every time haha.
@@martins3993 How about is complacency, I see plenty of them every time I fly. The number of injured is one thing the number of people that weren't injured is another.
But then, I'm wondering: do passengers sleeping in their comfy bed in business class keep their seatbelt fastened? Hum.. not sure. In case of sudden turbulence, that flat position might be even more harmful, I suppose 🤔
The number is the rough compass direction of the runway to the nearest ten degrees. The letter, if it appears, indicates which one of two or more parallel runways is meant.
@@RudolfKooijman yes. Runway 23 would point at approximately 230° magnetic heading. Therefore the heading indicator on the aircraft and the runway on in agreement. It’s also helpful that winds are also read by heading and speed, as we prefer to land into the wind. A wind of two-three-zero at 15 knots would mean a direct headwind while landing. Wind reported at 270° at 10 knots would be a right crosswind if landing on runway 23.
HOW TO RECOGNIZE ROTOR TURBULENCE (From a glider pilot): 1) if wave conditions are present you will have rotor below that wave, most of the time 2) Steadily increasing wind speed with altitude over a mountain (HNL in this case) or even over a stable air mass below it will cause atmospheric wave 3) if you see wind from 270@75+ you can expect wave to be present in a 360 to 180 "bar" or line. There will be sinking air at the downwind side of the bar, rotor below the bar, and rising air upwind of the bar. 4) if you see wave bars, and also see C shaped clouds below them + SLOW DOWN AND SEAT EVERYONE IMMEDIATELY if you are flying through the same altitude. Descend immediately, if able, to get below the mixed air - nearly still air behind a mountain with fast moving air above it stirs the air up like a river. Think of air masses like heavy streams and you'll maybe start making a model of how the air moves in a more realistic manner, and be able to avoid these conditions. Getting into gliders and soaring has been hands down my greatest learning adventure and application of "what the books talked about" and applying them to staying aloft, and now I use those bits of knowledge to understand where and what and why my aircraft might be getting tossed around. It's been a game changer for me. @thesoaringchannel if you want to check it out. But really check out @stefanlanger and @pureglide and @brunovassel if you want to learn more about soaring. My channel is just in its infancy.
Everyone wants to blame the passengers who didn't return to their seats in time and buckle down. However, the story is never that simple. A cursory review of the flight path and weather warnings show that HA35 headed at full steam into an area of turbulence and thunderstorms. Tracking data shows that this happened at a 40,000 ft cruise before it started its descent. There is a difference between the top of descent seatbelt sign button and a warning to immediately sit down from the cockpit. Everything I've read seems to support the idea that it was the former, which is likely why there were crewmembers injured in the accident; they were still up and about.
@@drmayeda1930 PHNL has runways 04L and 04R although 04L is way too short for the A330 to land on. They are usually departing 08R and arriving 08L and/or 04R
This is why you always have your seatbelt on while seated..ok some people could go to toilet, but dont believe there were 30 people on their way to the toilet..Flight attendants are not so lucky in these situations, they cant be sitting most of the time. But people in their seat not using seatbelt are just stupid, if they get injured during this it is just their fault and stupidity.
Heavies almost always land on 8R, usually GA, but the controllers made a smart decision to use 4R instead to get them on the ground and to the gate as quickly as possible. 8L would be a slightly shorter taxi, but more time in the air.
![[REAL ATC] Turkish B77W is HIT BY SEVERE TURBULENCE | Multiple Injuries](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cxniygV1o_0/mqdefault.jpg)
Wishing a quick recovery to those injured.
While I agree with your sentiment, it seems like we had the usual few who don't understand that there's a valid reason for that seat belt light coming on.
2:22 Oooo, I like that you put in a satellite image layered over the radar. Very nice touch!
Thanks!
I like the ATC proactively declaring an emergency for them even before the severity of the event was clear to the pilots.
And that's what I don't like. If it wasn't clear to the pilots, why should it be clear to ATC? It seems to me, they pushed an emergency by reacting too quickly. What if the pilots didn't want this, at that moment. Their plane wasn't in immediate danger, and they needed some more information from the cabin. I think they should have asked Do you want to declare an emergency?
@@guyseeten2755 Please is there anything wrong with an aircraft declaring emergency? Does it impact the airline in anyway? Please help me to understand, thanks
@@guyseeten2755who cares? Honolulu is not busy there is almost zero impact giving them priority.
@@guyseeten2755 The pilots reporting injuries is, technically, an emergency. ATC can use the declaration to do things that may normally be proscribed to get them in faster, and they can get emergency services prepared and moving, reducing response time. Good job by ATC not hesitating to do that.
@@bobschuon5908 yup, pilot reported crew injury and requested priority - that's enough for ATC
My family and I were on Hawaiian flights that were each 30-40 minutes behind this one on almost the same route. All I knew at the time was the captain getting on the PA to tell us that a flight ahead of us had experienced severe turbulence and for everyone including the crew to sit down. Our flight didn't experience anything worse than a few minor bounces, but we saw later what had happened.
I hope everyone involved has made a full recovery by now.
I was on a flight from LAX-HNL a few years back and we flew into the "Pineapple Express". We were able to get our first drinks and then the flight attendants were ordered to sit down immediately. I had a flight attendant sitting next to me for almost the entire flight. On approach when we got under 10K they were allowed to get up and get ready for landing. The turbulence was the worst I had ever encountered. People were still trying to get up and go to the bathroom . One older lady got up. The flight attendants were yelling at her to sit down and within a few seconds she was down on the floor in the aisle. She spend most of the flight on the floor. No one could help her. It was one crazy flight.
Dear Lord! =O
Terrifying
Pretty scary thought, wow.
Why does Hawaii have such nasty turbulence?
The Volcano?
@@davecrupel2817
Not the volcano, it's not active right now. It's just weather, several big thunderstorms are lined up to hit the islands and give us some badly needed rain. This is our version of the storms in the mainland
I'm continually impressed by how quickly you have these uploaded.
The local news here put the injury count at 36, 11 of which were classed as serious. Photos from the cabin show broken ceiling panels and overhead bin doors where people hit them.
My wife was super nervous as she was flying in from Vegas later in the day and had heard about what happened. Her flight went fine, but she said they were warned before takeoff about the possibility of turbulence and that this had happened, and people were still milling about in the cabin regardless.
We flew in from vegas right after as well.
When a pilot says 'severe' then it probably means hell on earth.
I remember listening to my mate about turbulence, and he was describing a situation involving 'moderate' turbulence. Also involving drinks hitting windows and people upside down in a lavatory.
He even stepped it up to "extremely severe" in a later transmission - def not heard often
there is a clear definition of light, moderate and severe turbulence, and severe is when people and food carts flying to the ceiling and all around
Head first into the crapper would've been awful.
@@peepa47 severe would entail temporary total loss of control, large abrupt attitude/altitude/airspeed
Extreme is violent airplane disruption and partial loss of control
Moderate is change in altitude/attitude but still in control.
From moderate onwards there is potential for load shift, opening of overhead bins and definite shifting or displacement of unsecured items.
@@BrentLobegeier Yeah, when the yoke (sidestick in this case) is at the stops one way but the plane is still rolling or pitching the opposite direction. That gets your attention.
Hopefully everyone makes a speedy recovery. I always keep my seat belt fastened when seated as I don’t want to take the chance of a head injury or broken limb if we suddenly hit severe turbulence. Obviously, the crew aren’t seated with their seatbelts fastened unless they have been warned by the flight crew ☹️
Don't presume that all purposely didn't have their seatbelt on, most people do. But one lady had just returned from the bathroom and had not had a chance to place seat belt on. Also clear air turbulence doesn't give notice.
@@aussiecbeer5644 I didn’t blame anyone or say that there was always a warning. Accidents happen 🤷🏼♀️
@@aussiecbeer5644 he literally said that he leaves his on just in case of clear air turbulence.
Sometimes with turbulence this severe, even if you're belted in you can still get injuries because objects fly around the cabin. A flying laptop can easily cause a concussion.
@@aussiecbeer5644 He didn't "presume" anything.
This is the best ATC I’ve heard. Perfect vectors stepping down the altitude with no nonsense, just really exemplary.
I just saw the news and checked this channel and well.. here we are.
Love your work friend!
As an infant we experienced this coming home from being stationed in Wiesbaden Germany. Coming across the ocean a storm was off the US coast from Labrador to the Bahamas. Too tall to go over and to low to duck under the plane had to go through the storm. Several FAs and passengers also were injured. Good luck to everyone involved.
Looks like this happened right before their TOD. ADS-B shows a -623 fpm rate and it dropped from 40,000 cruise to 39,450. I wonder if seat belt signs was on yet at this point and probably why this caught them off guard. Curious to know if anyone PAX interviewed yet have said anything. A lot of people use this time to put stuff away / use restroom. 500 foot drop like that will easily toss you up into the ceiling like a ragdoll.
Seatbelt sign was on
News reports indicated the sign was on
Not sure how they do it, but we usually put seat belts on around 15min before ETA. So that's around 15,000-20,000 feet. Unless instructed by airfield brief to do it earlier or we expect short-cuts/bad weather etc.
I'm curious what the weather was when this happened because its rare that the tropopause reach 40,000 feet. So was this just CAT, was it wake turbulence, was there a jet stream crossing/near a core, was it weather related?
Would like to know the sigmet, significant wx chart, airmet, winds etc of the area.
@@Arcadiez If they were in a radar environment (the z) and not in san fransisco radio's airspace, there should have been a wake turbulence/merging target call. Of course with environmental factors this could have been outside of the required wake turbulence seperation minima, but still have affected the aircraft, it also could have been in an ocean area with no radar coverage so time based in-trail spacing vs nm in-trail spacing. Also I am very curious as to pertinant sigmets and airmets in effect at the time of the turbulence.
I also saw a comment saying on ADS-B they had a 650 foot drop very violently however I couldn't verify this myself, would be interesting to see if it was 1 strong event of CAT or a storm of some sorts in the area.
Lots of unknowns but would be cool to see what else we can find
What happens in this kind of severe event? Does the nose pitch down? Is the plane temporarily in a stall?
Always so quick with the uploads on new incidents like this, thanks for the hard work!
I hope everyone recovers from this incident.
This is why I always keep my belt fastened even if the light is off (it was ON when this aircraft hit the downdraft). The best pilots in the world can't always predict when the aircraft could be hit by a severe downdraft. The seatbelt is a minor inconvenience compared to hitting the cabin ceiling then slamming to the floor.
Best and speedy recovery to all and unfortunately, another great example of why experienced flyers ALWAYS have our seatbelt on when seated!!
Great video and thank you as always!!!!!!
Well if companies wouldn't send commercial jets into tropical storms this wouldn't have happened. There's been a Turbulence SIGMET over Hawaii for a week...
Good advice. I remember a flight where we suddenly hit bad turbulence. I swear a few guys actually hit the ceiling. As a rule, I keep my seat belt on at all times. When I sleep, I put the seat belt over the blanket so the flight attendants can see I have it on and won't have to bother me.
@@kaasmeester5903 when you're going 500+mph, its very, _very_ easy to get thrown about like that.
I was cabin crew, they unfortunately are up and about , consider that into your equation 😳
VAS always quick when events happen. I love the professionalism and coolness of our guys. Yeah the practice it but like Mike says “everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth”
The interior cabin photos are impressive from all the people being thrown around
i could listen to approach all day!
That controller should start an ASMR channel.
As these past few days of torrential rainfall and scattered thunderstorms, I was telling myself the other day, I am glad I’m not on a plane heading here for possible causes of turbulent weather in the skies. And then I heard of this a day ago. Wow. Hope all is recovered.
Hope those injured make a great recovery.
Hope a speedy recovery for all. Turbulence can happen very unexpectedly. Always better to ere on the side of caution. Thanks for sharing.
I like your google map and also overlaying the approach plate nice job.
It always gives me so much confidence that the pilots were so calm and focused on the safety of their passengers, despite a scary and unexpected situation, and the aircraft handled it just fine. Still doesn’t make it any less scary for the passengers, and I’m glad they’re all expected to make a full recovery, but it’s comforting to know that both crew and aircraft are more than capable of handling such a scenario.
Very calm and professional with both parties.
Saw a headline on this and came knew there would be an upload
I just heard about this on the radio a few hours ago. thanks for the quick upload!
Could you make another video displaying weather radar and the other traffic? At around 20:00Z (about 15 minutes before the start of this video), HCF issued a weather advisory to HAL35 and HAL11; HAL11 requested to deviate right but HAL35 continued straight on. Would be interesting to see this exchange with the visualization.
i work in an airline at HNL and these past 2 days have been crazy in the airport .. it was super traffic and a lot of delays because of the weather .. x.x
@@JohnSmith-zi9or i think so .. there were thunderstorms around hawaii .. strong winds too ..
This is why I ALWAYS keep my seatbelt on, ALWAYS
.. even in the loo?
Of course it makes sense to put the seatbelt on while seated, but sitting for hours is very uncomfortable and unhealthy.
Hate it when FAs get hurt. But they're well trained and know it can happen.
One thing is when a pilot says 'severe turbulence' but this captain said 'very severe turbulence' plus at FL400, I can only imagine the drops...that was pure chaos, poor people...
If you're scared of turbulence, keep this video in your memory, folks worry about the plane being damaged, but you'll go unconscious from G forces or seriously injured before the aircraft is damaged at all, they are over engineered.
My sympathies to anyone who may have been using the restroom at that moment.
Having a wet shave?
Yeah, negative Gs can suck.
😂😂😂That is the funniest shit ever!!
Blue 🌊 water is absolutely disgusting. Imagine wearing that to your destination.
We had an air ambulance go down between Maui and the Big Island a few days ago if you can post that please do.
For other pilots out there, it's OK to start a radio call without "and...". You can just start talking... you can do it.
Severe turbulence at FL400.... ouch!
10+ for "ten or more"
+10 for "additional 10"
Gonna climb on my soap box: babies belong in their own seat strapped into their car seat.
I was on my flight to Honolulu last week and we encountered some turbulence the pilots advise everybody to take their seats and the seat belt light came on. This one lady was standing and the FA asked her to take a seat. She just stood there as if she never heard anything. I was thinking one of these days that old lady will be getting off the plane on a stretcher.
While passengers should always have seatbelts on for this kind of event it's the FA's that are at the greatest risk.
Said about 30 injured in the news. That's crazy. Scary.
36 injured, 11 seriously, from people thrown around in the cabin.
Though I wasn’t on this flight, I was in the air at the same time flying from Hawaii to LA and we must’ve hit the same patch. Wasn’t bad like this, but it definitely was rough… we levelled out well about 5minutes in but still, that scared some people. I’m not bad with turbulence especially with great airlines. It was thrilling! But I can definitely see why newbies were uncomfortable that flight.
Go ahead and loosen your belt, but never take it off. The drink cart is another issue in itself. ATC was quite correct in declaring the emergency, so that's a takeaway for flight and cabin crews; go ahead and declare one for turbulence injuries.
He was quite correct. 36 injuries on board.
@@JohnSmith-zi9or I think the flight crew were finding out on the fly; he reported the incident 50 miles back, so that's roughly 5 or so minutes prior. The reports and requests got more serious as they approached.
Maybe this is a novice comment but is it really that common to have turbulence at 40,000 feet? I always thought of that as a lower atmosphere issue.
Clear-air turbulence is often caused by wind shear in the jetstream, which can be found between 25,000 and 45,000 ft
The flight hit one of the “Pineapple Express” storms.
Speedy recover your to those Flight Attendants !
Honestly, this along with the UA flight into Houston a day later is prime examples why they should change the standard from the Fasten Seat Belt standard where passenger is only required to keep the seat belt on when to sign is on, to a standard where passengers have to stay seated and buckled up at all times, except when it is necessary for them to move around the cabin such as bathroom visits or exercising.
Yes !! And no use of bathrooms! And then we can give hughe fines to the ones wetting the seats.
What a wonderful society we are turning into 😥
@@tiny_toilet I would presume folks with circulatory issues need to get up and move about occasionally to avoid blood clots etc.
Yes to the OP’s comment! Turbulence can occur unexpectedly as the pre-departure safety briefings clearly mention and, as we have seen many times, it can result in very serious or even fatal injuries. Buckle up for your own safety and be up and about only if you must do so to use the lavatories or quickly stretch your legs. Passenger safety is very much the passengers’ own responsibility.
@@orlovsskibet I am a former flight attendant. It is almost impossible to tell an adult to tell an adult not to use the bathroom. If they are in the lav when severe turbulence, they can't leave. Also, that blue water, that's a lesson unto itself.
Honestly, after seeing so many of these videos, I'm more afraid of turbulence than an engine out. Heck, I'm more afraid of turbulence than a Captain Sully situation!
When a pilot says "severe" you know it musta been obscenely crazy. They always want to downplay it so they don't have to do reports and mandatory inspection for "severe".
I saw a picture of one of the damaged overhead bins - frightening!
Something that severe can cause injuries even with belts on, I'm surmising.
For those vulnerable at that moment some broken bones, neck injuries possibly. Hopefully no cranial injuries.
Again just guessing and I'm not in medicine or aviation.
So no way the crew could have elected a straight route through bad weather they could see, because of fuel?
I think I understand this can happen suddenly, like ground level windshear.
Something I don't want to experience even without injury.
I also wouldn't want this to be on an outbound leg of a return ticket to Honolulu.
Hopefully the plane was out of it as quickly as it was in it, and the Captain calmed the passengers.
Wishing everyone makes a complete recovery.
Right before Christmas! Dang. Hope everyone was okay. 💯🙏🏻🙏🏻
I get the injuries to flight attendants, but how did people slam into the ceiling if they had their seatbelts on? Did all of these injuries happen because people ignored or missed the seatbelt sign?
2:43 Damn.... that Approach ATC has a great voice (pronunciation and pacing) for the job!
Yeah, must be on some calming drug, wow 😮
Yes, he was very soothing. Bring him on for emergency aircraft!
@@dhammarosi His calming drug of choice: living in Hawaii.
@@daveevans2482 might have to try that 😊
Bites. Hope they all get better.
It sounded like they kept saying "One Thirty Five", then I realized it was the last syllable (or two syllables) of "Hawaiian" added to the 35.
I hope there was more we couldn't hear. Hopefully the number and severity wasn't a surprise. I can picture 2 paramedics with one ambulance waiting at the gate.
36 injured, 11 seriously. The arrivals hall seating area was basically used as a triage for those coming off the flight (who had to be helped off the plane).
Is it Volcano that cause such turbulence ?
Massive testimonial to the durability of the A330. Aren't transport category aircraft required to handle +4.4/-2.2 G with a 50% margin? With the number and severity of these injuries on a wide-body jet, I'd think they had to have been pushing their design load limits. It blows my mind that something that big and that heavy can handle it. Engineers!!!
Did I miss something or did the pilots never convey the number of injuries and severity. The radio traffic here makes it seem like they had one flight attendant injured rather than something more like a mass casualty event coming in.
It could be that information was relayed on a different frequency to Hawaiian Airlines
@@drmayeda1930 - Indeed, medical personnel were already waiting at the gate. This was after that, when ATC decided to declare the emergency for them.
It’s crazy how turbulent some of the air can be especially at FL400 isn’t the air supposed to be smoother?
"hecking in" "much injury" "such wow"
All the big news outlets are reporting seatbelt sign was on, but the turbulence hit with no warning.
What do you think that warning light is FOR?
Clear air turbulence, not uncommon and not always forecasted.
Duh, clear air turbulence
I would like to know what his speed was pyre, during and after encountering this Turbulence.! I'm sure it will be looked at.!
36 injuries with 12 seriously injured.
Do we know if any other aircraft experienced bad turbulence in the area?
Very interesting. So the controller declared an emergency on behalf of the pilot/flight. How common is this? Are there any stats and further information and insight into how often this happens?
On many crash investigation and other tricky flight situations, we have all listened to many atc conversations with the pilot where it is clear the pilot is in trouble. The controller asks if the pilot wants to declare an emergency but the pilot declines as he is overwhelmed and not thinking straight. I always wondered why the controller did not declare the emergency as a precaution.
Pilots, Controllers, and Dispatch can all declare emergencies during a flight in which safety of flight has been compromised.
14 CFR 121.557 lays out the basis of who can declare, with 14 CFR 91.3 Laying the ground work for the PIC the “Final Authority” to respond as necessary.
I’m sure there are provisions within the ATC handbooks that may go further. Not sure on statistics, but I may just try my hand at researching as that question has piqued my interest.
The magic words were probably when the captain said he had flight attendants injured.
As a newly minted pilot I had a minor loss of engine power, probably carb ice. I called up SoCal Approach as a precaution in case I needed to declare and land at SNA. Engine cleared up and I proceeded to my destination, LGB. When I was handed off to tower, only then that I realized approach had declared for me when tower asked the three questions, how many souls aboard, how much fuel and if I was requesting the equipment. So, this happens more than you might think.
Asleep on the autopilot? Fly it into a thunderstorm?
how can pilots succesfully communicate with that level of audio?
What injuries are we talking about?
That was quick!
Apprently dropped 500 feet super quickly and pilot didn’t say anything beyond FAs can’t serve food Becuase they’re injured
Recommending an event: earlier today a Cessna N738YT violated the Presidential TFR over Wilmington Delaware and was intercepted and escorted back to its origin airport by an F-15 (broadcasting identifier TOI1)
They deserve a medal. Even two.
Ohhh, I hope that they have a UA-cam channel. . .
That's a paddlin'!
Why didn’t they declare Mayday?? Also if you’re queuing for loo - seatbelt not possible
Imagine clenching your thighs and holding on for dear life!!!
this comes up every one of these videos.
It. Does. Not. Matter.
Did they get the attention of ATC? Yes. Did they squawk 7700 and it lit up on the scope as EM? Yes. Did they get priority vectors and land safely? Yes. No need for yelling Mayday when declaring an emergency works perfectly fine. There was nothing wrong with the aircraft too.
Declaring an emergency has the same effect.
this is why they tell you to keep your seat belts fastened while seated. The pilots are required to do so too. But people get away with it 99 times …then there’s that one.
Can you do Hawaiian airlines hydraulic failure it was I think the day after this.
This is why you should ALWAYS keep your seat belt buckeld up
Yep. I'll just drive. I'm retired and never in a hurry. But even back in the day I was teased about driving like a grandma. I've no tickets and only been in two accidents in my life that were caused by other drivers. One, I was rear ended by a guy on a cellphone, Two, I was T-Boned by a lady on snowy road at low speed.
I'm 70 now, and still drive like I always have. Defensive. And sometimes that means accelerating as well as braking. 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Ever driven to hawaii?
We always leave are set belts on when flying advise given to my by uncle who did a lot of flying for is Business
Computer flight planning with no human flight following.
Best cost index and route.
Computer decides if there's going to be turbulence.
Hope for the best.
The pilots are almost always monitoring other pilots' reports in the area (PIREPs) and requesting altitude/route changes from ATC as appropriate. Turbulence can strike at any time and can be very unpredictable.
Who is "And Center"?
Im believing in those seriously injured didnt have their seatbelts on .
always keep your belt on
Maybe mountain wave off the big island???
Could someone explain what severe injuries would occur from severe turbulence as im unfamiliar
This comes from being thrown around. A person's head will hit the overhead bins, the wall, etc. Their limbs will also flail and hit walls, bins, and seat frames.
Imagine being thrown around like a rag doll in a tube. That’s what severe turbulence could feel like…I imagine.
And that's why my belt is on for the entire flight. Who wants a plane to slam down on their head, or throw them about like beads in a rattle? Hopes for a quick recovery to the flight attendants who don't always have that option.
What if you’re on the can?
@@strnglhld Then you will be smashed about in a largely stainless steel environment. Air travel is not without its perils for everyone, even if the plane is fully functioning. I personally would rather suffer severe abdominal cramps than crap on a plane, but when I get back from a pee, belting up again is the first thing I do.
This is the reason that “lap child” travel should not be allowed. Heavy turbulence over The Pacific is unpredictable and can happen in “clear air.” I was on a flight earlier this year and grabbed a flight attendant’s arm to stop her from hitting the ceiling. I fly over 100K per year and know first hand the danger that unexpected turbulence poses to flight crews and passengers. There is no safe way for a small child to travel other than buckled into a car seat. I always paid the extra money for my daughter to travel safe in her car seat on all flights I took her on when she was little. It’s the only safe way.
This is an example of complacency on the passengers. When you sit down put your seatbelt on. Always have the seat belt on when you can. I do aerobatics and I put my seat belt on every time haha.
Doesn't have to be complacency, could be that someone was getting something from the overhead, or returning from the lav etc.
@@martins3993 How about is complacency, I see plenty of them every time I fly. The number of injured is one thing the number of people that weren't injured is another.
@@martins3993 Why are they getting something from the overhead with the seatbelt sign on??? I'll call that complacency.
What if you’re sitting on the can?
@@strnglhld How many people are on the throne at any one time? 25? I don't think so,
But then, I'm wondering: do passengers sleeping in their comfy bed in business class keep their seatbelt fastened? Hum.. not sure.
In case of sudden turbulence, that flat position might be even more harmful, I suppose 🤔
Can anyone please explain me why runways are numbered the way they are? Like 4R, 22L, etc. Thank you!
The number is the rough compass direction of the runway to the nearest ten degrees. The letter, if it appears, indicates which one of two or more parallel runways is meant.
@@reynirheidbergstefansson2343 thank you. So 23 means from upright above heading to 230 degrees?
@@RudolfKooijman yes. Runway 23 would point at approximately 230° magnetic heading. Therefore the heading indicator on the aircraft and the runway on in agreement. It’s also helpful that winds are also read by heading and speed, as we prefer to land into the wind. A wind of two-three-zero at 15 knots would mean a direct headwind while landing. Wind reported at 270° at 10 knots would be a right crosswind if landing on runway 23.
@@saxmanb777 Thank you!
'Hawaiian uhhhhhhh"
HOW TO RECOGNIZE ROTOR TURBULENCE (From a glider pilot):
1) if wave conditions are present you will have rotor below that wave, most of the time
2) Steadily increasing wind speed with altitude over a mountain (HNL in this case) or even over a stable air mass below it will cause atmospheric wave
3) if you see wind from 270@75+ you can expect wave to be present in a 360 to 180 "bar" or line. There will be sinking air at the downwind side of the bar, rotor below the bar, and rising air upwind of the bar.
4) if you see wave bars, and also see C shaped clouds below them + SLOW DOWN AND SEAT EVERYONE IMMEDIATELY if you are flying through the same altitude.
Descend immediately, if able, to get below the mixed air - nearly still air behind a mountain with fast moving air above it stirs the air up like a river. Think of air masses like heavy streams and you'll maybe start making a model of how the air moves in a more realistic manner, and be able to avoid these conditions. Getting into gliders and soaring has been hands down my greatest learning adventure and application of "what the books talked about" and applying them to staying aloft, and now I use those bits of knowledge to understand where and what and why my aircraft might be getting tossed around. It's been a game changer for me. @thesoaringchannel if you want to check it out. But really check out @stefanlanger and @pureglide and @brunovassel if you want to learn more about soaring. My channel is just in its infancy.
"when seated please keep your seatbelt fastened"
Everyone wants to blame the passengers who didn't return to their seats in time and buckle down. However, the story is never that simple.
A cursory review of the flight path and weather warnings show that HA35 headed at full steam into an area of turbulence and thunderstorms. Tracking data shows that this happened at a 40,000 ft cruise before it started its descent.
There is a difference between the top of descent seatbelt sign button and a warning to immediately sit down from the cockpit.
Everything I've read seems to support the idea that it was the former, which is likely why there were crewmembers injured in the accident; they were still up and about.
Captain Bang Ding Ow back at it again ...
So he made captain already? Last time he was still FO when he flew with captain Sum Ting Wong.
You are obviously ignoring the contributions of Ho Lee Fook.
That SFO was slightly worse than this one 😜
That approach, sounds very ... ATISy 😂
The approach was interesting to watch. I wonder why it's called 4R when th one bere is only one runway
@@drmayeda1930 PHNL has runways 04L and 04R although 04L is way too short for the A330 to land on. They are usually departing 08R and arriving 08L and/or 04R
This is why you always have your seatbelt on while seated..ok some people could go to toilet, but dont believe there were 30 people on their way to the toilet..Flight attendants are not so lucky in these situations, they cant be sitting most of the time. But people in their seat not using seatbelt are just stupid, if they get injured during this it is just their fault and stupidity.
How much you want to wager those injured were not wearing seat belts. I'll bet a year's salary.
I would bet all of them that were injured were either standing up or not seated with seat belt on. You would win that bet hands down....
Hmmm yes, my worst nightmare.
If that's your worst nightmare, you have a very sheltered and privileged life.
@@JimWhitaker And if you take UA-cam comments at face value you must lack common sense.
Heavies almost always land on 8R, usually GA, but the controllers made a smart decision to use 4R instead to get them on the ground and to the gate as quickly as possible. 8L would be a slightly shorter taxi, but more time in the air.
Heavies regularly land on 8L or 4R so that’s normal. They usually depart 8R.
08L and 04R are the landing runways, they are always departing the reef runway 08R, although I have seen some smaller craft depart 08L
Wear your seatbelts