I’ve gone through loads of mice and I always come back to this one. Something about the shape is so special. If you have small enough hands you can fill up a decent amount of your palm with the butt of the mouse. The comfort grooves on the main buttons are awesome as well and make you feel locked in. I would so buy this mouse again if they cutoff some more weight and put in a better sensor. Plus the battery weight adjustment was just unnecessary.
Just mod it yourselr mate. I put in a 150mAh battery in it and it's sitting at around 48-49g which ahould've been the out-of-box weight of this mouse. Feels much better to use now and finally replaced my G303 SE. Battery life obviously isn't as good anymore but personally i don't mind it too much.
As someone with somewhat small hands who uses a fingertip grip, this mouse feels perfect for me. My fingers even naturally go where they’re supposed to on it.
this mice became my main. i have small hands so this was the main reason. turns out finger tip was my grip all along. will say the scroll wheel sits a little far forward so scrolling down is a bit of a stretch. my pinky is either hovering or sitting forward on the holes behind the ring finger but its not so bad for me at least considering my pinky doesnt really factor in much. software would have been nice. to me personally the weight felt heavier and unbalanced for 62-63 grams for some reason compared to other mice with similar size and weight so what i did was follow bearedbob non destructive mods minus the battery swap brought it down to 57 ish grams and it feels weight wise so much better, if i did the battery swap it was shown to be closer to 51-52 grams and im using the slightly heavier rounded back instead of the flat one currently. the weight slidingmechanism was so dumb i think the screws got dislodged on the board where it slides and wouldnt be able to move around so i definitely wanted to rip all that plastic out. i usually go with black mice but the way this mice glows i think is so cool i got the white one and it glows better in person, i have also taken out the diffuser so its really bright. dont like how you have it plugged in to charge/use it blinks yellow and considering how much rgb this has the blinking is kind of distracting. holes isnt needed anymore i think looking at other mice that somehow weigh less in the same or similar size. the coating is ok not the grippiest but for me its narrow and small enough im not even gripping that much. side buttons are small (not the tiniest side buttons ive used) length wise but width wise is fine (wider than some other mice ive used that are literal slits for side buttons) but theyre placed perfectly for me so whatever. so those were what id consider the bad and annoying stuff. otherwise because of the shape and size its my main. its super narrow which actually was one thing i was looking for as other mice felt a little wide for me( even on small mice like the orochi hatis x2mini). theyre also not super aggressive angle from the base to top of mouse on the sides pretty flat very slight taper(which was my issue on the hatis being too aggressive especially for my ring and pinky side the corner was catching on the side of those fingers digging in). the back has no side humps so my thumb sits straight forward mostly flat and not have something jam into my first joint (short stubby thumbs). finger grooves my god very comfortable kinda remind me of my 502lightspeed at least on the left click how thats grooved. so its been a bit of a journey. havent really gotten this close to a shape that fit "me". i liked the hatis for the general size it was short and small but too aggressive on the angles on the sides and the quality control it also developed double clicking eventually (good thing i got it on sale would not be worth the full price as i did read of multiple qc issues and seems more prominent with gwolves). i forgot i had the orochi for the laptop somewhere decided to use that for fps it was nice surprisingly but with no hump or length made my hand cramp as there was no support at all. the x2mini was a close one it solved pretty much everything i had with the orochi. slightly less wide, has some hump and length so hands supported, super light weight, better side buttons. it was so close but my hands small so something about that hump in the middle made me claw like the hatis which was fine more comfortable at least or palm the x2mini. i could finger tip but then there was no support for the back of my hand and actually felt way less stable than the orochi somehow the tail end could twist around unless i sat my hand lower to at least have the bit of side hump supported my thumb. by that point it was a mix of a weird angled fingertip/ claw. where the mz1 fits me the back is narrow so it sits deeper straight down into my hand or sometimes ill hold it further out forward but where it supports my back of hand is just right. further forward it sits under ring finger joint mostly under the middle finger joint and my thumb just wraps around contouring that hump. otherwise deeper in its just the ring finger joint and thumb joint which the x2mini only contact was thumb joint leaving my pinky ring finger joint hanging giving me slight cramps but not as bad as the orochi. all in all considering the other mice out there and probably bigger hands than i this mice definitely wont fit most without straight up changing grip style which i mean why would someone change a grip style theyre really comfortable with you know. it was a long journey here but im now finally happy not fucking up my hand or having to hold in a weird angle. i came from palm grip with 502 then 502lightspeed though for fps i did have it sit forward more and kind of finger tipped it because of that thumb ramp and flat sides for my ring and pinky. it will always have a special place thank you for listening to my ted talk ramblings
At first the mouse felt super small, and my hand did start cramping. I put grips on the side to make it thicker. Just 1 layer on both sides is all it took. Now it has been my main since its release. My only gripe is the scroll wheel is a little hard to push. As far as the side buttons... probably the best I ever used. Easy for me to tell what I'm pressing. I never played with kailh switches til this mouse.. I cant go back, lol. I do think though.. it should have been priced at $70-80 though.
Yea, same here, applied tape on sides and fingers to hurt anymore. The mouse is small as is but you need wide width to grip the little guy. I have tiny children hands and even like that was sort of tough to grip the mouse, good thing its an easy fix with some grip tape. Also this mouse does not work with high sensitivity at all, and u can't claw grip it fully, you can flingertip/semi claw grip though, also basically impossible to pal it without the back. This mouse is end-game for people with small hands that are specifically fingertip or a light claw grip otherwise, look elsewhere.
If you are looking for a mouse with the same shape, go for the Mad Catz R.A.T. lineup of mice, their main profile is basically identical. Very low in general but the highest point right in the back. This mouse and the mad catz ones are perfect if you use a knuckle claw grip :)
had mine for 2 years now and its been great but I do like the m42 a bit more. Also the coating on the mz1 is quite horrible especially when you start to sweat a bit it gets really slippery but using lizard skins helps a ton
why on earth do mice have holes i'm glad this fad is coming to an end it literally saved less than 5 grams on all the mice i've seen doing it and makes it unbelievably uncomfortable and it looks like a kid's toy. people argue that it makes the grip better na mate just steal the XM1R's coating
There's a few reasons why holes have become more acceptable...the few g's of extra weight loss is normally justified for some if it means they can make the internal structure stronger at the cost of added weight. The holes also can be ok for some people, there's a few times that I actually do like the holes as it allows the skin around the palm of my hand to actually breathe so it's a lot more comfortable for me when it gets a bit hotter. Obviously it's now coming to an end but, I'd imagine we'd still see more mice have holes placed on the bottom of the mouse only like the X2, Atlantis etc.
just looking at it I think like the best way to grab it is using 131 with the finger tip grip, cuz you don have space on the side to put 2 fingers Btw good review
Outdated sensor, 15$ for grip and 25$ for glass skates. No software, not a shape for everyone. Holes in the mouse not comfortable. 119$ (159$ for the whole packadge, then include shipping, vat etc depeding on your country). Not in stock, i dont really see any selling points here personally. More interesting waiting for Logitechs new superlight and Zowies Wireless :D
I’ve gone through loads of mice and I always come back to this one. Something about the shape is so special. If you have small enough hands you can fill up a decent amount of your palm with the butt of the mouse. The comfort grooves on the main buttons are awesome as well and make you feel locked in. I would so buy this mouse again if they cutoff some more weight and put in a better sensor. Plus the battery weight adjustment was just unnecessary.
Just mod it yourselr mate. I put in a 150mAh battery in it and it's sitting at around 48-49g which ahould've been the out-of-box weight of this mouse. Feels much better to use now and finally replaced my G303 SE. Battery life obviously isn't as good anymore but personally i don't mind it too much.
As someone with somewhat small hands who uses a fingertip grip, this mouse feels perfect for me. My fingers even naturally go where they’re supposed to on it.
I would argue not needing any software is an upside. Considering how bad most of them are. Although an in browser one eould be nice.
this mice became my main. i have small hands so this was the main reason. turns out finger tip was my grip all along. will say the scroll wheel sits a little far forward so scrolling down is a bit of a stretch. my pinky is either hovering or sitting forward on the holes behind the ring finger but its not so bad for me at least considering my pinky doesnt really factor in much. software would have been nice. to me personally the weight felt heavier and unbalanced for 62-63 grams for some reason compared to other mice with similar size and weight so what i did was follow bearedbob non destructive mods minus the battery swap brought it down to 57 ish grams and it feels weight wise so much better, if i did the battery swap it was shown to be closer to 51-52 grams and im using the slightly heavier rounded back instead of the flat one currently. the weight slidingmechanism was so dumb i think the screws got dislodged on the board where it slides and wouldnt be able to move around so i definitely wanted to rip all that plastic out. i usually go with black mice but the way this mice glows i think is so cool i got the white one and it glows better in person, i have also taken out the diffuser so its really bright. dont like how you have it plugged in to charge/use it blinks yellow and considering how much rgb this has the blinking is kind of distracting. holes isnt needed anymore i think looking at other mice that somehow weigh less in the same or similar size. the coating is ok not the grippiest but for me its narrow and small enough im not even gripping that much. side buttons are small (not the tiniest side buttons ive used) length wise but width wise is fine (wider than some other mice ive used that are literal slits for side buttons) but theyre placed perfectly for me so whatever. so those were what id consider the bad and annoying stuff.
otherwise because of the shape and size its my main. its super narrow which actually was one thing i was looking for as other mice felt a little wide for me( even on small mice like the orochi hatis x2mini). theyre also not super aggressive angle from the base to top of mouse on the sides pretty flat very slight taper(which was my issue on the hatis being too aggressive especially for my ring and pinky side the corner was catching on the side of those fingers digging in). the back has no side humps so my thumb sits straight forward mostly flat and not have something jam into my first joint (short stubby thumbs). finger grooves my god very comfortable kinda remind me of my 502lightspeed at least on the left click how thats grooved. so its been a bit of a journey. havent really gotten this close to a shape that fit "me". i liked the hatis for the general size it was short and small but too aggressive on the angles on the sides and the quality control it also developed double clicking eventually (good thing i got it on sale would not be worth the full price as i did read of multiple qc issues and seems more prominent with gwolves). i forgot i had the orochi for the laptop somewhere decided to use that for fps it was nice surprisingly but with no hump or length made my hand cramp as there was no support at all. the x2mini was a close one it solved pretty much everything i had with the orochi. slightly less wide, has some hump and length so hands supported, super light weight, better side buttons. it was so close but my hands small so something about that hump in the middle made me claw like the hatis which was fine more comfortable at least or palm the x2mini. i could finger tip but then there was no support for the back of my hand and actually felt way less stable than the orochi somehow the tail end could twist around unless i sat my hand lower to at least have the bit of side hump supported my thumb. by that point it was a mix of a weird angled fingertip/ claw. where the mz1 fits me the back is narrow so it sits deeper straight down into my hand or sometimes ill hold it further out forward but where it supports my back of hand is just right. further forward it sits under ring finger joint mostly under the middle finger joint and my thumb just wraps around contouring that hump. otherwise deeper in its just the ring finger joint and thumb joint which the x2mini only contact was thumb joint leaving my pinky ring finger joint hanging giving me slight cramps but not as bad as the orochi.
all in all considering the other mice out there and probably bigger hands than i this mice definitely wont fit most without straight up changing grip style which i mean why would someone change a grip style theyre really comfortable with you know. it was a long journey here but im now finally happy not fucking up my hand or having to hold in a weird angle. i came from palm grip with 502 then 502lightspeed though for fps i did have it sit forward more and kind of finger tipped it because of that thumb ramp and flat sides for my ring and pinky. it will always have a special place
thank you for listening to my ted talk ramblings
tldr
i just read the whole Odyssey
we need a part 2
not enough information bro, you need to write another paragraph
I still use my MZ1 wired :). The most comfortable mouse for relaxed fingertip with small hands.
At first the mouse felt super small, and my hand did start cramping. I put grips on the side to make it thicker. Just 1 layer on both sides is all it took. Now it has been my main since its release. My only gripe is the scroll wheel is a little hard to push. As far as the side buttons... probably the best I ever used. Easy for me to tell what I'm pressing. I never played with kailh switches til this mouse.. I cant go back, lol. I do think though.. it should have been priced at $70-80 though.
Yea, same here, applied tape on sides and fingers to hurt anymore. The mouse is small as is but you need wide width to grip the little guy. I have tiny children hands and even like that was sort of tough to grip the mouse, good thing its an easy fix with some grip tape. Also this mouse does not work with high sensitivity at all, and u can't claw grip it fully, you can flingertip/semi claw grip though, also basically impossible to pal it without the back. This mouse is end-game for people with small hands that are specifically fingertip or a light claw grip otherwise, look elsewhere.
If you are looking for a mouse with the same shape, go for the Mad Catz R.A.T. lineup of mice, their main profile is basically identical. Very low in general but the highest point right in the back. This mouse and the mad catz ones are perfect if you use a knuckle claw grip :)
I would love to use this, but its expensive
Try mz1 wired if you are fingertip grip user (and have 18 x 9 hands or smaller)
stop playing video games all day and get a job?
I have this for about 7 months and the right click has interruptions while holding down aim. Never had a mouse that ripped after such short use
you must be very strong
had mine for 2 years now and its been great but I do like the m42 a bit more. Also the coating on the mz1 is quite horrible especially when you start to sweat a bit it gets really slippery but using lizard skins helps a ton
Loved it so much I picked up 3 because I keep trying to mod it for the perfect experience.
why on earth do mice have holes i'm glad this fad is coming to an end it literally saved less than 5 grams on all the mice i've seen doing it and makes it unbelievably uncomfortable and it looks like a kid's toy. people argue that it makes the grip better na mate just steal the XM1R's coating
There's a few reasons why holes have become more acceptable...the few g's of extra weight loss is normally justified for some if it means they can make the internal structure stronger at the cost of added weight. The holes also can be ok for some people, there's a few times that I actually do like the holes as it allows the skin around the palm of my hand to actually breathe so it's a lot more comfortable for me when it gets a bit hotter.
Obviously it's now coming to an end but, I'd imagine we'd still see more mice have holes placed on the bottom of the mouse only like the X2, Atlantis etc.
just looking at it I think like the best way to grab it is using 131 with the finger tip grip, cuz you don have space on the side to put 2 fingers
Btw good review
@5:20 yes you are mate
Awesome review!
Glad you enjoyed it
fellow 3d sculpter chad
@@yesyes-om1po he-he, booooy!
Wish you all the luck mate!
God, I'm glad I found your video that helped me
It's a good* mouse but the price.. I can get the GPX
That thing looks uncomfortable af. Flat like my ex
5:20 ok, geez.
Thanks for spreading overhang button shittiness awareness
Outdated sensor, 15$ for grip and 25$ for glass skates. No software, not a shape for everyone. Holes in the mouse not comfortable. 119$ (159$ for the whole packadge, then include shipping, vat etc depeding on your country). Not in stock, i dont really see any selling points here personally. More interesting waiting for Logitechs new superlight and Zowies Wireless :D
i see you are new to gaming mice
@@bmedina000 Based.
It's probably more to cater to a specific shape market more than anything. It must have worked well for them to have made a wireless version.
No software mice ftw.
Rjn is a mouse
Tldr, its not worth it. Move along
Interesting but I still think it’s a cash grab