Anti Roll Sway Bar Drop Link Replacement Vauxhall Opel

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  • Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
  • Skip Intro 5:07
    Reference OE/OEM part number: 013391512, 0350233, 13391512, 350233
    Always fit good quality links as the cheap ones only lasted me 3 months.
    I discovered you can change these drop links without jacking up or removing the wheels.
    It took me about an hour as the extra time it takes undoing the nuts is saved by not removing the wheels.
    Turn the steering on full lock and you can get to the nuts while laying on the floor.
    Remove the top joint first as it helps with removing the bottom one.
    I found replacing the nearside easier probably because I'm right handed.
    I bought a pair of droplinks off eBay for £11 but they only lasted 3 months.
    This is quite an easy job and stops that annoying knocking noise.
    Although this was done on a 2008 1.7CDTi Corsa it should be the same for most of the Vauxhall range

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  • @graemegala
    @graemegala 2 роки тому +8

    Probably one of the best done how to videos iv seen. Shame he doesn't do it anymore. Camera work and closeups are really good. I watched all of it even though I just wanted a reminder as it has been a while since I needed to do this. Well done mate.

  • @Shadowpriestrox
    @Shadowpriestrox 9 років тому

    Very nice video. Good, calm and professional! Thank you.

  • @VauxhallHelp
    @VauxhallHelp  11 років тому +1

    thanks, I like making these :-)

  • @jubeljenz
    @jubeljenz 10 років тому

    Hi guys does any one no if I have to grease the new drop links as they look dry

    • @kevjackson5205
      @kevjackson5205 10 років тому

      The lubrication is under the rubber so no need to use any extra grease.

  • @andymcgall887
    @andymcgall887 7 років тому

    i have a 09 cdti insigina the 2 rear tyres r worn on the inside what could this b

    • @N3wts77
      @N3wts77 7 років тому +1

      Andy Mcgall Could be the camber of your wheel

  • @RandyLott
    @RandyLott 10 років тому +15

    Very good camerawork on this video! Thank you for making it so clear and focused.

  • @xFathead41x
    @xFathead41x 12 років тому +1

    you should put the wheel nuts on skipping one each time e.g. bottom right nut on, thentop left, then top right, then bottom left, then top

  • @harwoods11
    @harwoods11 10 років тому +15

    nice and clear video, howeverit must be noted that very few of these links will be as clean and corrosion free as this. Most will be well seized and may, in extreme cases, require cutting off with a grinder.
    My suggestion is always use axle stands, good quality penetrating fluid and use lots of bad language...works everytime for me.
    Thanks for the clear vid

  • @oo921
    @oo921 7 років тому +9

    Excellent ,loved the bit at beginning highlighting the knocking noise we all hear. Instructions and pictures could not be clearer and good safety tip using wheel to support car as those jacks can never be trusted .

    • @VortechBand
      @VortechBand 4 роки тому +1

      They are generally known as Widowmakers. Make of that what you will ;)

  • @bar7294
    @bar7294 2 роки тому +1

    Good Luck at 5:26 when the Droplinks have been on 6+ Months. I usually use an Angle Grinder where the spanner's going ;) Torques: Wheel Nuts: 110Nm Drop Link Nuts: 55Nm, cheers!

  • @NDBBDB
    @NDBBDB 8 років тому +4

    Great video, thanks! Very clear and well spoken advice with great camera angles, and crisp footage of parts and what to do. Thanks, really helpful 👍

  • @duane2980
    @duane2980 11 років тому +1

    hi, yes its the same basis if you take a quick look you will see its as easy as the front, i have done them

  • @Imrais
    @Imrais 5 років тому +1

    If you shake a sway bar and it makes that knocking noise.. doesnt it indicate bushings are the problem ??

  • @dixonj.g.3998
    @dixonj.g.3998 8 років тому +2

    Cool man! Nice vid, very professional the way you have taped it; one of the best DIY videos on the web, Congrats pal; cheers from Rome!

  • @Loftikaz
    @Loftikaz 14 днів тому

    look at the quality of videos 12 years ago, simple, calm, closeups all the shots are fixed, work done during the day not in a dim garage.

  • @ianharlow2075
    @ianharlow2075 11 років тому +1

    H Lotey, Your problem may be related to the anti-roll bar bushes.
    Trace the bar down from the top of the drop link to where the bar is fixed ( via rubber bushes ) to the sub-frame. Change them.

  • @switchest26
    @switchest26 10 років тому +15

    nice...although those standard jacks give me the creeps..I also always use to axle stands and the jack at the same time.
    Good vid!

    • @Manuel9x9
      @Manuel9x9 6 років тому +2

      People never use the jack alone for those works!The axle stands is not sure enough .I use an hydraulic jack and a solid wood piece.

    • @Mechanicalrob
      @Mechanicalrob 5 років тому +2

      I use a 3t trolley jack and axle stands

  • @dandan7897
    @dandan7897 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks. There are so many of these kind of videos that just show the back of some guys hands. Really good job.

  • @reallybigshoe40
    @reallybigshoe40 9 років тому +3

    Almost definitely the best 'how to' videos on youtube. Awesome.

  • @VauxhallHelp
    @VauxhallHelp  11 років тому +1

    It might be worth replacing the 2 anti-roll bar bushes under the car. That will probably stop those other sounds. And if you replace the suspension top rubbers it can make quite a difference to the ride..

    • @Jozavenue
      @Jozavenue 4 роки тому

      that noise was the roll bar bushing ,mate.

  • @aciddiver1978
    @aciddiver1978 7 місяців тому

    Great video. Vauxhalls are usually friendly cars to work on. 65 nm of torque is the right spec on the swaybar nuts😊

  • @djollieuk
    @djollieuk 5 років тому +1

    sorry dude u said they are track rod ends but those are drop links... not criticising just pointing it out, great vid

  • @nas_kabir
    @nas_kabir 11 років тому +2

    this tutorial is amazing. nice camera positions and clear easy steps...good job

  • @johnfox4703
    @johnfox4703 Рік тому

    Agreed! Best fixit video I've seen. No assumptions of existing knowledge. Really good video, clear and simple piece by piece instructions. Idiot proof!! He really should go back to doing this money to be made for sure!!

  • @crpth1
    @crpth1 3 роки тому

    Curiously the video is quite well done and methodic. But you got me surprised on the how's and why's!
    Please correct me if I missed something. As demonstrated right at the beginning of the video. You replaced the drop link, to supposedly solve a noise (problem) clearly coming from the anti roll bar!
    That make as much sense as drying the bathtub, before taking a bath! LOL 😂
    Like mentioned, as demonstrated. If the drop link is not even connected and the noise clearly come from the anti-roll bar. Why in the world would you change the drop link instead of locating and fixing the problem that caused the anti roll bar clicking noise!
    Which most probably is caused by basic and common worn out bushing(s)!
    Talk about incorrect diagnostic, pointing to incorrect intervention!

  • @reallyenjoyedthisoneverycl1534
    @reallyenjoyedthisoneverycl1534 4 роки тому +1

    Well done that was clear and simple and really informative for a guy who has limited knowledge about the various parts talked about

  • @ahmedelsherbini7268
    @ahmedelsherbini7268 9 років тому

    Help appreciated!!! I am fixing bits on my honda civic ej9 and one of my MOT failures was "Offside front anti-roll bar linkage has slight play in a ball joint". However if I change the Anti Roll Sway Bar Drop Link will that fix my problem as no one can give me answer. Appreciate any help or advice

  • @djzomb1
    @djzomb1 7 років тому +1

    Awesome video! camera angles were great, good explanation on tools and parts your installing. I especially like how you used the factory jack and used the tire as a jack stand. it encourages people to get out there and work on their own vehicle. well done!

  • @francescamarquez3853
    @francescamarquez3853 8 років тому

    dear Chris Fix I have to know what's still keeping my 2004ford explorer gliding swaying in the rear and it's getting worse 500.00later new ball joints except for rear ball joints they said that they were fine .I've replaced control arm bushings 4new tires 4aignments .I'm at the end of my rope .I've drive for a living I'm loosing money with this shit .next struts are original factory installed I've got166.000miles never had an issue until it was towed from the rear what in the he'll is this why why. somebody help????!!!!

  • @walboyfredo6025
    @walboyfredo6025 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent, Clear concise instruction. Well Done!

  • @asset-gz1fr
    @asset-gz1fr 6 років тому +1

    Absolutely brilliant video, all in clear detail, I can do my combo van nice and easy now, thankyou for such a good vdeo

  • @trentstoner4102
    @trentstoner4102 5 місяців тому

    Like the tip of taking the strain off the sway bar by jacking the other side off the ground, game changer for changing drop links!

  • @glockacid9633
    @glockacid9633 7 років тому +1

    thanks for the vid man. I bought a used Astra (same car different name) I'm here In the states. I received mine used but in near mint condition I used Moog sway bar links. I also used a quick pump 3ton Jack instead of the GM jack. now that the car is 10 years old I would recommend pb blast and saturate the bolts for 30 min tap the nut/bolt with hammer a few times spray again and the old nuts twist right off. atleast they did for me. thanks again great vid.

  • @Burncash1510
    @Burncash1510 3 роки тому

    Can someone please help! Am having a slight issue with my car its a vauxhall astra j 2011 everytime i drive on small humps it rattles m.o.t tester told me its my top strut mounts so i got it changed costing me £170 parts and labour and it didnt solve the issue same mechanic now saying it could be my shockers which will cost more no mechanics seem to know either it only happens when on rough road surface what could it be? Thanks.

  • @TrungNguyen-qi7rj
    @TrungNguyen-qi7rj 2 роки тому

    I'm confused. If you disconnect the anti-roll bar link, wiggle the anti-roll bar and hear the noise, then isn't the problem at the anti-roll bar and not at the link?

  • @gabrielbaum9660
    @gabrielbaum9660 4 роки тому

    Awesome video thank you i sttill got in my library the complete strip dowm of the iphone 5 which i did after watching your complete strip down and rebuild .very clever man you are.greetings from Nottingham United Kingdom.

  • @v8pilot
    @v8pilot 3 роки тому

    How did you undo the nut so easily? Haynes says they should be torqued to 48lb ft so to undo them with 15 years of rust will mean more torque than that. You must have biceps like a carthorse. I undid the top nut with a breaker bar but I'm still struggling to budge the lower nut.

  • @campbelljohn
    @campbelljohn 7 років тому

    hi,i have a 2003 cd astra,it pulls badly to the left,any ideas what it could be.thanks.

  • @Alexander_l322
    @Alexander_l322 4 роки тому

    I hope in the last 8 years you got yourself a proper jack to use. You should never use the crappy jack that comes with the car for anything, they are useless, slow and bloody dangerous. Although I see you’re using the wheels as axle stands so it ain’t bad but get a hydraulic jack mate. Also your link rods look decent so you didn’t need to cut them off but a lot of times the only way to get them off is to cut them or use an impact gun on do up to snap it off. I always have to cut them or snap them.

  • @julianlangdon3456
    @julianlangdon3456 2 роки тому

    having not encountered this type of link rod before, worth watching prior to getting stuck in. VW Polo 9N has a very similar set up

  • @merlosisgroovebox
    @merlosisgroovebox 4 роки тому +1

    Plain simple straight to the point thankyou for taking the time to show us

  • @Pipboy83
    @Pipboy83 2 роки тому

    Thank you so much mate! was dreading this, I feel very confident in trying it myself. Thanks again.

  • @jasonplatton
    @jasonplatton 10 років тому

    Hi.could you help me ive got vertical movement on my vectra t reg what coukd that problem be its really noisey aswell when I hit bumos please help its sending me barmy ive had new shickers futted because a garage ssid that was the problem but thuddjng still there cheers

  • @INDUSTRIALIST1234
    @INDUSTRIALIST1234 11 років тому +1

    Amazing video. Today you saved me over $250. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work !!!!

  • @bilbobaged
    @bilbobaged 12 років тому

    thanks for the video i fixed my corsa o3 thanks to it :) alls i needed was a 16mm an a 19 mm to do it an the jack an tha. was realy easy. garage said theyd do it for 70 pound with parts, i got the the parts right an left front anti roll bar linkage for £13.40 an it took me about 2 hours to do only cuz the nuts were old an so hard to get off an i took my time. again thanks for the video so much, top man!

  • @v8pilot
    @v8pilot 3 роки тому

    Thank you for posting this. Do you need to replace both drop links at the same time even if one of them has no problems? The parts supplier says you do but I don't see why it should be necessary.

  • @kevaxtell877
    @kevaxtell877 4 роки тому

    I did this the other day and took can't for mot today and they said I put it on upside-down???? I put it on exactly the same as yours. Only difference is that mine is the plastic type

  • @COLEEN322
    @COLEEN322 3 роки тому

    Mine's just starting to bang now and getting louder, I can't afford to get it replaced for at least a week, would it be ok to run on it for that time? Thanks.

  • @MegaAlf99
    @MegaAlf99 8 років тому +1

    I have to agree. An exemplary instructional video

  • @VauxhallHelp
    @VauxhallHelp  11 років тому +2

    Its hard to simulate the movement when the wheels is off. If the mileage is high it might be worth changing the rubber suspension tops as well these drop links. I've recently had to replace another set of these after only 45k miles..

    • @asset-gz1fr
      @asset-gz1fr 6 років тому

      VauxhallHelp brilliant bid bruv,,, I can now do my combo van easily,,keep em comin

    • @crpth1
      @crpth1 3 роки тому

      Just wrote a comment further up. You could replace them every week that would NOT solve the clicking noise problem! As you demonstrated in the beginning of the video.
      You could completely remove the drop link from the vehicle and the noise would still be there!! You show it yourself. Without the drop link connected the noise was present and evident. So you're "fixing" the wrong part... It will really not matter how many times you'll change the drop link. The problem will still be there UNTIL you fix the real culprit. ;-)
      What a pity an excellent video, but failing right at the first moment!

  • @SteveMitchellblogger
    @SteveMitchellblogger 11 років тому +2

    Thanks for this great tutorial

  • @paulgiles6096
    @paulgiles6096 Рік тому

    Brilliant video, thank you👍brilliant video, thank you👍

  • @barrygray8356
    @barrygray8356 2 роки тому

    I wish my car was as easy as that. Had to get a grinder and chop the damn thing as it was well rusted with all the salt and grime over the winter!

  • @FirstMomentsOf
    @FirstMomentsOf 2 роки тому

    I need to replace my strut bearings.. They make the worst noise ever.

  • @Hells_Gift_MB
    @Hells_Gift_MB Рік тому

    Brilliant vid, really appreciate you taking the time mate. Big thanks

  • @colinworley1671
    @colinworley1671 8 років тому

    well i wish my nuts would come loose as easily !! guna have 2 get a grinder me thinks :(

  • @cryptoIrish
    @cryptoIrish 11 років тому

    is it the same principle on the rear? my vectra has a knocking sound coming from the back wheel?

  • @jontilson6090
    @jontilson6090 9 років тому +1

    Excellent video. I like the way no special tools are used, just the stuff anyone would have. I would use axle stands and a trolley jack, but then some folks beginning d.i.y. wont have them. Well done...and thanks for taking the time to do this.

    • @1992OGW
      @1992OGW 9 років тому +1

      What positions would you put the trolley jack and the axel stands in? Don't wanna go through the floor.

  • @radoslavtsanev6822
    @radoslavtsanev6822 5 років тому

    Hello, is it possible to hear this noise on 0:08 when I am turning on the right side from the front left wheel?

  • @VauxhallHelp
    @VauxhallHelp  11 років тому +1

    Correct, it won't affect the tracking at all

  • @brunowest5027
    @brunowest5027 2 роки тому

    Superb! Is it same process for the rear? Thank you

  • @wheel-lee
    @wheel-lee 8 років тому +1

    great vid but i will be using NEW nuts not the old ones for peace of mind

  • @keekee4697
    @keekee4697 Рік тому

    Hi, iv read you have to use a a torque wrench to tighten it a certain amount? What wrench do i need for a zafira b 2011? Theres 1/2 and 1/4 and iv not a clue.

    • @keekee4697
      @keekee4697 Рік тому

      Torque wrench for the drop links i mean*

  • @craighamilton3046
    @craighamilton3046 3 роки тому

    Great presentaion. Thank you very much.

  • @myasaee
    @myasaee 10 років тому +1

    Fantastic video very detailed and informative. Thank you.

  • @VauxhallHelp
    @VauxhallHelp  12 років тому +1

    Never heard of that but thanks for the tip..

  • @GearTutorials
    @GearTutorials 10 років тому

    Hi, great video, clear and easy to follow. My 2004 meriva has just failed its mot on both front anti-roll bar linkage ball joint dust covers being excessively damaged. Would it be just the rubber part at the bottom end of the replacement component in your video that I need to replace? Cheers

    • @VauxhallHelp
      @VauxhallHelp  10 років тому

      A new pair of droplinks cost about £15 from eBay so its not worth messing about replacing the dust covers

  • @timmytimmy9757
    @timmytimmy9757 3 роки тому

    was gonna say, you can just turn the wheels no need to jack it up!

  • @paulgraham5255
    @paulgraham5255 10 років тому

    my anti sway bar nuts on my 05 plate sxi + are so rusted on both n/s and o/s the spanner is just damaging them even more, they wont turn even after wd40..any help please well appreciated..had to return the drop links to the motor factors lol for a refund

    • @LE55ONS
      @LE55ONS 10 років тому

      you'll either need to use an angle grinder or hacksaw to remove the nuts and then buy those drop links again with new nuts :-)

  • @peeterjullinen6236
    @peeterjullinen6236 3 роки тому

    You cannot use pullers to open them because they do not fit

  • @andymcgall887
    @andymcgall887 7 років тому +1

    thats great thank u very much for ur help

  • @steveothehulk
    @steveothehulk 9 років тому

    ha wish i had seen this vid earlier i just paid a local garage £60 to fit one, it looks piss easy

  • @Francisftw753
    @Francisftw753 6 років тому

    This is by a mile the best fucking video for a DIY car job I've ever seen the attention to editing and camera work, top notch

    • @Francisftw753
      @Francisftw753 6 років тому

      Did this after just not having the time to get round to it before. Wheel nuts where obviously impact driven on by arse holes in garage, had to use massive steel bar for leverage. Proper helpful video got the part for €20 and fitted myself saving about €80 that I don't fucking have at the minute 😂

  • @batista999
    @batista999 6 років тому

    Goodness EVERYONE stay away from that jack ! It comes with BMW Mercedes and vw cars. Had to use one in a emergency , and the top bit slipped and the car nearly fell on the floor. Use scissor jack or hydraulic ! Not this pile of wank !

  • @hrjmsh
    @hrjmsh 3 роки тому

    Thank you for the nice and detailed video.

  • @michaelporter2574
    @michaelporter2574 3 роки тому

    This should be a quick and simple job, but if you've never done it before this excellent and clear vid, nicely narrated, should give you the confidence to tackle it.
    P.S. As an aside, NEVER go under a car, or put any part of yourself under it when it is supported by a jack only - they CAN fail.
    Which doesn't even bear thinking about....!

  • @azlateef3799
    @azlateef3799 7 років тому

    my sway link bushing had worn off and it made clunking sound when I hit a bump... I had it changed in the car workshop... paid them for the job. but having watched this video made me wonder... I could DIY.. but I'm not confident enough though.

  • @MrJCMacDonald
    @MrJCMacDonald 9 років тому +1

    A local garage fitted these a few years back but the job needs done again already, I don't think they put any grease under the rubber cups. Thanks to your very clear video I feel confident enough to try it myself. Update - The drop links were OK - The rattling noise turned out to be the loose end of a broken coil spring!

    • @VauxhallHelp
      @VauxhallHelp  9 років тому +1

      James MacDonald I've just changed these again, they only lasted about 60k

    • @dariunas
      @dariunas 9 років тому

      ***** Mine busted early too. (the plastic rod, not the ends!) Went for Delphi ones, but would prefer solid metal ones.

  • @1066gaz
    @1066gaz 5 років тому

    Should really use the axel stand for the car to settle on though as the weight of the car could deform or damage the tyre.
    Also a torque wrench to tighten the nuts to the correct torque .
    When i undo the loose wheel nuts i use a 17mm socket connected to a small extension to spin them off quickly instead of the brace which runs the risk of the brace flying off and scratching the alloy..
    Good video though straight to the point no faffing about.

  • @2008Overkill
    @2008Overkill 2 роки тому

    Your video helped me a lot thanks, the only difference I had on my 2014 Mokka, was the old links were 18mm nut with a torx star centre, and the replacements were 19mm bolt with allen key centre :)

  • @balasuriyage
    @balasuriyage 9 років тому

    Hi
    Do you know what would be the Sway Bar link torque? top and the bottom ? in Nm? I am using Norbar 13047 Torque Wrench
    Thanks

  • @PaulDoldenDetails
    @PaulDoldenDetails 11 років тому

    Thanks for the great video got to do mine on my vectra c many thanks!!!!

  • @chris77777777ify
    @chris77777777ify 5 років тому

    Clearly nothing wrong with the first one.

  • @VauxhallHelp
    @VauxhallHelp  11 років тому

    I would try using a small drill to remove the nut. Keep drilling small holes along the nut and use a metal chisel to split the nut off the thread. Other comments have used an angle grinder

  • @4redapples561
    @4redapples561 4 роки тому

    I've just had the offside sway bar link replaced today after a month of back and forth to garages to figure out what the creaking/knocking noise was. Went to one particular garage and they got it on the first check! Car is lovely and quiet now 😀 it's cool to see what the part looks like so thanks for your video! It's very well done!!

  • @peeterjullinen6236
    @peeterjullinen6236 3 роки тому

    Your video is half full of information

  • @gettingfolksbackup8321
    @gettingfolksbackup8321 3 роки тому

    Drop link uet he calls it a track rod end

  • @SnapShot83
    @SnapShot83 11 років тому +1

    thanks for this video - I've been hearing this in my car and been trying to figure out what it is! Hopefully this is the cause so I can finally fix it!

    • @Jozavenue
      @Jozavenue 4 роки тому

      that noise was the roll bar bushing ,mate.

    • @crpth1
      @crpth1 3 роки тому

      @@Jozavenue - Yep, that's for sure. He got it totally wrong. No wonder his comments saying he had to change the drop links several times... Throwing money and sweat into the wrong parts! That's when the "magic" of a minimally decent diagnostic comes to mind

  • @iftex1-qk5go
    @iftex1-qk5go 9 місяців тому

    nice one mate, well explained....

  • @khalilrazak6486
    @khalilrazak6486 8 років тому

    Excellent video, this is a perfect example of how a diy video should be done properly. Also is this the same as replacing anti roll bar drop link's for a volvo xc90 d5 2004 car?

  • @maggnessmess
    @maggnessmess 10 років тому +1

    Very helpful video. I just changed mine on Skoda Fabia - without removing wheel! . It took me 20 mins. Thank you

    • @VauxhallHelp
      @VauxhallHelp  10 років тому

      Nice one, I've not seen a Skoda setup but I guess its about the same...

    • @maggnessmess
      @maggnessmess 10 років тому

      ***** Yes, It is the same

  • @sonythebest4ne
    @sonythebest4ne 11 років тому

    How many miles have they done? not exactly a old car?

  • @GCGRANT
    @GCGRANT 10 років тому

    Nice video cheers ! Can you possibly do one on replacing cv joints vauxhall meriva or vauxhall with similar set up ?

  • @cikguomar
    @cikguomar 8 років тому

    Hi, what about Zafira? where do you change the Sway Bar Bushes for the stabiliser link? Thanks!

  • @shanekneeshaw3483
    @shanekneeshaw3483 9 років тому

    Just done them on my citroen picasso today 13.99 both sides hardest part is tacking the old ones off my garage wanted £50+
    Ps ( this job is same as citroen)

  • @rickhctep1503
    @rickhctep1503 10 років тому

    Right got ya, bugger I never thought about that, funny both going at the same time,
    My car ( zafira mk2 ) just had major service and MOT last Wednesday brought car home and parked it till yesterday drove to Scunthorpe and drop link knocking like a bugger going there, so much for a full service and MOT they check my car properly didn't they,
    Doing drop links on Monday then back to service station for a few words.

  • @mrnatty122
    @mrnatty122 9 років тому

    Those pliers look like wire strippers to me.

  • @VauxhallHelp
    @VauxhallHelp  11 років тому

    when the drop link ball joint has worn you'll hear a very annoying knocking sound which quickly gets louder the more miles you drive..

  • @VauxhallHelp
    @VauxhallHelp  11 років тому

    I'm not sure to be honest, I've never looked at the rear suspension of a Vectra, try laying on the floor and have a look, it might have the same kind of drop links

  • @subaru721
    @subaru721 10 років тому

    I had the rear ones replaced in mine last year but the front ones are due at the next warrant...Im sure I can replace them myself so easy...Thanks