I just got my first snow bike been watching your videos going back in time. Was going to ask if you were planning to try a MT. Top but you covered that can’t wait to see what you think.
yep, I use the mosko moto baskilis jacket for snow and adv, I crashthrough trees a lot ;) on my snowbike, so the dragon skin is nice. I have the klim havok bibs and really like them, but I had hoped to use the mosko pants, but I'm glad I got the bigs. Three snow bike trips so far this fall 2022 :) can't wait to go again. foxymcrider
Stoked to hear your thoughts on the CMX. I've had a 2016 kit from them that I've beat the hell out of, interested in how their current kit compares to the others in ride feel.
@@VernonSnowMX significantly better than the Camso I've borrowed, but that's not surprising. Compared to the Timbersleds I've ridden, 2020-ish 137 ARO and a 129 RIOT, it's a lot more similar to a RIOT. Slightly more agile/playful feeling than the RIOT even, but not as good of hookup from the track as the TS. Definitely heavier but the position rides better in my experience. Durability wise it's been pretty much bombproof, and my same kit from 2016 can bolt on the upgrades they've added to the new kits (notably the 28mm that I still need to spring for, and the new beefier spindle that I did snag used). I haven't ridden the newer S and RIOTs and haven't ridden a Yeti, so I can't wait to hear what you guys think of it either way.
We needed to get 3 bikes that are functionally the same, and then we needed a bunch of parts for them. One of our locals bought the 2023 KTM, but can't yet get simple things that are readily available for 2022s. We also saves a crap ton of money buying last year's bikes (about $1k each). :) This is really about the kits for us anyways. Cheers!
@@VernonSnowMX curious what negative things you have heard. Every person in my group now has one. Started with one person and now our group has 10 of them. One on every bike
@@tradingcurrency1 Wow! Not sure I should share the negative 2nd hand info in here. I only like to spread my personal opinion. We are working on a new blanket system for all of our bikes. Moving from Rev Up which has too many voids for our new philosophy, to a neoprene system that Innerspace has been making. It looks tight and only costs a wee bit. I'll report back to ya!
You can tell just by watching and listening closely the Yeti is using significantly less throttle to keep up on the flat. I know the 3" climbs slow hills and the S is east to lean but the yeti is more effecient. You will also use more fuel on the timbersled. I promise haha. it will climb better but even at low rpms ur holding the throttle more than you think.
What you say is true. However Allens "Mtn Top" cures the short comings of both Yeti and Timbersled, there is no perfect snow bike, just like there is no perfect snowmobile, "different knives for different tasks""
Our Voyager Pros have been the best so far. I can't count how many Garmin units we have tried & fried. With that said, we have had a number of issues with the Voyager Pros as well, but the company has looked after us from a warranty perspective. The new metal base is proving to be better than the older plastic ones. More to come as testing continues!
I rode an S model and, it feels nothing like the regular model Timbersled...it does feel a bit more stable with the lower height/less suspension travel and, it does definitely sit down in the snow quite a bit farther...I would only recommend an "S" model to a beginner or, a very short rider.
Our initial impressions are different. It sits low like a Porsche (which I've driven a bit). It is a carvin fool. If we start hucking stuff that the slightly less suspension can't handle, we'll let ya know! What are your reasons for this opinion?
@@VernonSnowMX Yes, the new aro 3 pro s model is a "carving fool" because, it has the same narrow rail design as a regular aro 3 pro. The reason I personally would only recommend it to a beginner or, a person less than 5'6" tall is because, it is more stable because, it has less suspension travel wich make's it sit down in the snow quite a bit farther making the bike/kit feel more planted/stable than a regular model. Also, I do know why you used the Porche analogy because, it sit's low to the ground but, a Timbersled feels nothing like a Porche and, to compare a Timbersled to a Porche? Lol...a aro 3 pro model corners just like a "s" model...it just has better suspension (more travel) wich get's you and, the bike more up out of/on top of the snow. With the bike having more travel and, the bike sitting higher out of the snow it make's the bike/kit way more playful...ride both back to back and, you will notice the big difference between a "s" model and a regular model.
@@hornefoundations Interesting. Thanks for your insights. I value carving, like a Porsche. I disagree that more suspension gets you on top of anything better, as you suggest. Suspension is for reacting to terrain. You seem to use suspension interchangeably with floatation. Floatation is about staying on top. Suspension is about bouncing back to responding to changes in terrain. We don't speak the same languages. The guy that I currently trust the most for his opinions, has 7 snowbikes (silly, I know). He will be featured a bunch this season I hope. Between him, and Regan Sieg, his buddy, I think we have the practical end of this discussion covered. I like hearing people's opinions, I just don't have to agree with them, or their methodology.
Vernon Snow mx...my wrong for saying that the longer suspension travel is what makes the bike come out of the snow more..what I was trying to convey was that the longer travel in the suspension/higher seat height makes not only the bike sit up higher out of the snow but, put's the person riding the bike up higher on the bike...with the higher center of gravity of both the bike and, person it makes the regular model Timbersled feel more playful. Just my opinion...Every kit and, bike is/feels different and, I have rode many brands of bikes and, kits myself. I'm pretty sure Reagan Sieg wouldn't recommend a "s" model to a 5' 8"+ experienced rider.
@@hornefoundations Thanks. I appreciate the correction. As it happens, Reagan's #1 riding buddy is Chad Edwards, the owner of Innerspace. Chad is a master snowbike builder, and super avid rider. He suggested the S for us, and we are not noobs. In addition to the low centre of gravity I noted before, now I have a new appreciation - the lower footpegs when getting on my bike n the deep snow - especially when trying to get on from the low side. Our new CMX also has log footpegs and it is so nice! I'll be sure to post any findings that contradict my current opinion as that is what this is all about. With every year that goes by I realize that last year I knew nothing! ;)
Awesome vid, cheers from Kelowna
awesome boys! Cant wait to see and hear about the mountain top!
Poor Bike running at 40c :D
Great way to kick off the season!
Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the new kits!
Sweet!! Love your videos!! Greetings from Idaho
Cheers!
Oh, Oh The Monkeys are at it again, let the good times roll.
I'm looking forward to the mountain top review!
You guys are pretty funny. I get a kick outa ya lol!
Thanks! We have videos far better than this one. We are just getting warmed up again! Hopefully you continue to enjoy us Snow Chimps!
Cool running's mon!
Awesome, looking forward to the Mountain Top review
You and me both!
Excited to hear your thoughts on the TS vs CMX vs Mtntop vs Yeti
Awesome
I just got my first snow bike been watching your videos going back in time. Was going to ask if you were planning to try a MT. Top but you covered that can’t wait to see what you think.
I am buying one and put this on a ktm 300xc 2022 cant wait for snow in Québec city 🤟
yep, I use the mosko moto baskilis jacket for snow and adv, I crashthrough trees a lot ;) on my snowbike, so the dragon skin is nice. I have the klim havok bibs and really like them, but I had hoped to use the mosko pants, but I'm glad I got the bigs. Three snow bike trips so far this fall 2022 :) can't wait to go again. foxymcrider
Cool man! I get the crashing through trees part. I just thank goodness each day that I don't get poked too hard by a stiff branch.
Gas can cap on your Timbersled is promt to open unattended after several tree touching. In revers position it will stay tight.
Interesting. Thanks! I will make a DATS task to get this done!
Stoked to hear your thoughts on the CMX. I've had a 2016 kit from them that I've beat the hell out of, interested in how their current kit compares to the others in ride feel.
Cool! How do you feel it has stacked up to what your mates are riding?
@@VernonSnowMX significantly better than the Camso I've borrowed, but that's not surprising. Compared to the Timbersleds I've ridden, 2020-ish 137 ARO and a 129 RIOT, it's a lot more similar to a RIOT. Slightly more agile/playful feeling than the RIOT even, but not as good of hookup from the track as the TS. Definitely heavier but the position rides better in my experience. Durability wise it's been pretty much bombproof, and my same kit from 2016 can bolt on the upgrades they've added to the new kits (notably the 28mm that I still need to spring for, and the new beefier spindle that I did snag used).
I haven't ridden the newer S and RIOTs and haven't ridden a Yeti, so I can't wait to hear what you guys think of it either way.
@@mumu-cw5tu OMG, so excited. Your words are music to my ears. :)
Why the switch to gas gas? Are the newly designed 23 husky frames hard to fit up?
We needed to get 3 bikes that are functionally the same, and then we needed a bunch of parts for them. One of our locals bought the 2023 KTM, but can't yet get simple things that are readily available for 2022s. We also saves a crap ton of money buying last year's bikes (about $1k each). :) This is really about the kits for us anyways. Cheers!
@@VernonSnowMX Cheers Mr. Chimp
You guys should really try the Selkirk system. Best performance upgrade for snow bikes
We have heard some things to the contrary so we are reluctant to put out the $$$.
@@VernonSnowMX curious what negative things you have heard. Every person in my group now has one. Started with one person and now our group has 10 of them. One on every bike
@@tradingcurrency1 Wow! Not sure I should share the negative 2nd hand info in here. I only like to spread my personal opinion. We are working on a new blanket system for all of our bikes. Moving from Rev Up which has too many voids for our new philosophy, to a neoprene system that Innerspace has been making. It looks tight and only costs a wee bit. I'll report back to ya!
You can tell just by watching and listening closely the Yeti is using significantly less throttle to keep up on the flat. I know the 3" climbs slow hills and the S is east to lean but the yeti is more effecient.
You will also use more fuel on the timbersled. I promise haha. it will climb better but even at low rpms ur holding the throttle more than you think.
What you say is true. However Allens "Mtn Top" cures the short comings of both Yeti and Timbersled, there is no perfect snow bike, just like there is no perfect snowmobile, "different knives for different tasks""
In what State are you located in?
Great videos BTW
Thanks! We are in British Columbia, Canada!
@@DirtChimps Great! I'm on Canada's east coast. Will have to go ride out west someday.
Hay what would suggest for a GPS/ tracking my buddy
Voyager pro
Our Voyager Pros have been the best so far. I can't count how many Garmin units we have tried & fried. With that said, we have had a number of issues with the Voyager Pros as well, but the company has looked after us from a warranty perspective. The new metal base is proving to be better than the older plastic ones. More to come as testing continues!
@@VernonSnowMX is that a voyager pro on the bike now?
Can you switch from gps screen to kph, RPM, temp etc?
I rode an S model and, it feels nothing like the regular model Timbersled...it does feel a bit more stable with the lower height/less suspension travel and, it does definitely sit down in the snow quite a bit farther...I would only recommend an "S" model to a beginner or, a very short rider.
Our initial impressions are different. It sits low like a Porsche (which I've driven a bit). It is a carvin fool. If we start hucking stuff that the slightly less suspension can't handle, we'll let ya know!
What are your reasons for this opinion?
@@VernonSnowMX Yes, the new aro 3 pro s model is a "carving fool" because, it has the same narrow rail design as a regular aro 3 pro. The reason I personally would only recommend it to a beginner or, a person less than 5'6" tall is because, it is more stable because, it has less suspension travel wich make's it sit down in the snow quite a bit farther making the bike/kit feel more planted/stable than a regular model. Also, I do know why you used the Porche analogy because, it sit's low to the ground but, a Timbersled feels nothing like a Porche and, to compare a Timbersled to a Porche? Lol...a aro 3 pro model corners just like a "s" model...it just has better suspension (more travel) wich get's you and, the bike more up out of/on top of the snow. With the bike having more travel and, the bike sitting higher out of the snow it make's the bike/kit way more playful...ride both back to back and, you will notice the big difference between a "s" model and a regular model.
@@hornefoundations Interesting. Thanks for your insights. I value carving, like a Porsche. I disagree that more suspension gets you on top of anything better, as you suggest. Suspension is for reacting to terrain. You seem to use suspension interchangeably with floatation. Floatation is about staying on top. Suspension is about bouncing back to responding to changes in terrain. We don't speak the same languages.
The guy that I currently trust the most for his opinions, has 7 snowbikes (silly, I know). He will be featured a bunch this season I hope. Between him, and Regan Sieg, his buddy, I think we have the practical end of this discussion covered.
I like hearing people's opinions, I just don't have to agree with them, or their methodology.
Vernon Snow mx...my wrong for saying that the longer suspension travel is what makes the bike come out of the snow more..what I was trying to convey was that the longer travel in the suspension/higher seat height makes not only the bike sit up higher out of the snow but, put's the person riding the bike up higher on the bike...with the higher center of gravity of both the bike and, person it makes the regular model Timbersled feel more playful. Just my opinion...Every kit and, bike is/feels different and, I have rode many brands of bikes and, kits myself. I'm pretty sure Reagan Sieg wouldn't recommend a "s" model to a 5' 8"+ experienced rider.
@@hornefoundations Thanks. I appreciate the correction. As it happens, Reagan's #1 riding buddy is Chad Edwards, the owner of Innerspace. Chad is a master snowbike builder, and super avid rider. He suggested the S for us, and we are not noobs. In addition to the low centre of gravity I noted before, now I have a new appreciation - the lower footpegs when getting on my bike n the deep snow - especially when trying to get on from the low side. Our new CMX also has log footpegs and it is so nice!
I'll be sure to post any findings that contradict my current opinion as that is what this is all about. With every year that goes by I realize that last year I knew nothing! ;)